Johnson-
re: "There is some question as to Obama's paternity and whether Davis is not indeed his father named on his birth certificate as such."

Really? Where is this controversy? Can you provide a link?

"Obama married a woman, who shared his views, and publicly acknowledged that until his Presidential nomination, she did not like America."

You have a problem with commas and complete sentences. Please work on that. It negatively impacts the ridiculous assumptions of superiority in your tone.

closet?
hhhmmmmm
this country has been on the road to socialism for years and years. using a definition from the turn of the 20th century, we are already there.
don't care for it personally but here we are.

of more import... what are the options in the here and now? we've new waters here calling for a turn off of the conventional road.
tisn't just the crooks, tis the entire political landscape that we've paved for ourselved that has led us into peril.
and what would mccain be offering up.
you know it'd be a pork-filled stimulus bill that the dems would be lamenting.
taxing - should've happened when w was in. never has the u.s. gone to war without a tax increase.
and tisn't all w'z fault, i know.
call it redistribution if you will, the country needs money. in the last eight years, the top 5% were better off with w. goes around, comes around.
nothing is fair, least of all politics, taxes, the nfl and bowling.

all the best.

It's been fun. Pardon me if I don't stick around for Johnson's self party, chapter 5678952 of volume IV.

Is Obama a Closet Socialist?
Posted by Eddie

What a hoot. Four days ago little Eddie was asked if he even knew what the term "socialist" meant. Unable to answer, the tyke yelped and ran away to sniff at June Cleaver's flanks.

Glass closet

YEAH!

Obama is a Socialist ------ Now Lets Nationalize those Banks!

Sincerely

The Increasingly Incoherent "right"

Johnson-
re: "There is some question as to Obama's paternity and whether Davis is not indeed his father named on his birth certificate as such."

Really? Where is this controversy? Can you provide a link?

#2 | Posted by BetelG

You're kidding, right?

Is Obama a Closet Socialist?
Posted by Eddie

What a hoot. Four days ago little Eddie was asked if he even knew what the term "socialist" meant. Unable to answer, the tyke yelped and ran away to sniff at June Cleaver's flanks.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Eddie was ignoring you it was a stupid question.

Eddie was ignoring you it was a stupid question.
#10 | Posted by Eddie

Translation:

It was a "stupid question" because I couldn't answer it.
~Mrs. Haskell's Favorite Son

closet?
hhhmmmmm
this country has been on the road to socialism for years and years. using a definition from the turn of the 20th century, we are already there.
don't care for it personally but here we are.

#4 | Posted by sense

Obama does know he's a Socialist. Or, he's just being obtuse.

Eddie was ignoring you it was a stupid question.
#10 | Posted by Eddie

Translation:

It was a "stupid question" because I couldn't answer it.
~Mrs. Haskell's Favorite Son

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

You think you're smart Doc. LOL

You think you're smart Doc.
#13 | Posted by Eddie

Well, I'm not the smartest guy on the block, I'll tell you that.
Here's something else: I also know I'm not the stupidest.
And there, Eddie, is where our paths diverge.

Obama does know he's a Socialist. Or, he's just being obtuse.
#12 | Posted by Eddie

As usual, case not proven and point not made. However, you can be sure Obama knows what socialism is. And that puts him miles ahead of June Cleaver's flank sniffer.

Eddie wouldn't know a Socialist if Chavez bit him on the ass.

What's really funny, you know, is how little the perpetrators of this kind of political warfare believe the tripe they write in articles such as these, and how much even they laugh at those who take it seriously.

Of course, what can you expect from people who take checks from Moonies?

Obama does know he's a Socialist. Or, he's just being obtuse.
#12 | Posted by Eddie

As usual, case not proven and point not made. However, you can be sure Obama knows what socialism is. And that puts him miles ahead of June Cleaver's flank sniffer.

#15 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Doc, what is your definition of Socialism ?

And what is Obama's definition?

Eddie wouldn't know a Socialist if Chavez bit him on the ass.

#16 | Posted by Corky

nice try Corky.

What you are telling me is that Obama is shoving Socialism down our throats and calling it something else. Still he won't call it anything, though. Dare he call it Capitalism?

It seems that it's a epidemic among the Dems.

Corky, Doc,

You are in the corner now, try to fight your way out.

Obama was cornered and called a press conference in his office. He either doesn't know what Socialism is or he's just trying to deflect. Interesting, very interesting.

#17 | Posted by Eddie

Now you're just being plain silly, Eddie.

You blathered on four days ago about "socialism" until it emerged with humiliating clarity you didn't have a clue. Since you got the ball rolling (and I asked first), it's really up to you to set forth some terminology clarifying what it is you think you're talking about. I'm sorry, but I can't do that for you.

"And what is Obama's definition [of socialism]?"

"Corky, Doc, You are in the corner now, try to fight your way out."

Eddie, what's socialism?

Tick-tock-tickety-tockety

Eddie, what's socialism?

a political theory advocating state ownership of industry

"President Obama was so concerned that he had appeared to dismiss a question from New York Times reporters about whether he was a socialist that he called the newspaper from the Oval Office to clarify his policies."

Why is being a called Socialist a bad thing?

"Why is being a called Socialist a bad thing?"

Because unless government also owns the means of production, it's a completely incorrect label.

Eddie, what's socialism?
#22 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
#23 | Posted by Eddie

I clicked on this thread expecting an extremely long Johnson rant that makes no coherent point other than "I HATE OBAMA RARGH".

I was not disappointed.

I clicked on this thread expecting an extremely long Johnson rant that makes no coherent point other than "I HATE OBAMA RARGH".

I was not disappointed.

woo double post

"he doth protest too much"

WS

GENTLEMEN AND LADIES OF THE RETORT

reports from blogs out of china are that hillary clinton has given a written document from obama that gives china rights of eminent domain in the event of defauting on loans

is this a hoax or the truth...

google...chiease/eminent domain

REMEMBER MY COMMENT

IF ITS NOT A HOAX....

and you might get there quicker if you spell chinease...

even the thought of it has my hands shaking from anger...IF...its true

"Why is being a called Socialist a bad thing?
#25 | Posted by Eddie"
It's not, Eddie, you little plagiarist you.
#27 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

So, when you don't like the answer you attack the person.

Ok Doc, I answered you, correctly, BTW (moron)

NOW! answer the outstanding question of this thread!

Why is being called a Socialist a bad thing?

Okay, Eddie, we've established you don't really know what socialism is.
#27 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Now Doc, you need to explain to everyone what Socialism is...

you fell into this one Doc.

Either come clean or leave (with your tail between you legs)

I really don't think you should stand there, like the big moron in the room and continue to polute the argument.

I understand why you avoid the question:

WHY IS IT SO BAD TO BE CALLED A SOCIALIST?

The term socialist is all relative, at least to me. Kind of like how a "right-winger" in France isn't really the same as a right-winger in America. As far as our nation goes, you might be able to call Obama a socialist. But guys like Chavez might be offended.

He chose an America-hating, whitey-hating, Jew-hating man as his mentor for some two decades, Rev. Wright, a pal of a man with the same outlook, Louis Farrakhan, head of the Nation of Islam.

I really don't see how this would serve as evidence that Obama is a socialist. How many majority muslim communist countries are there in the world? Further, the communist movement had been spearheaded by jews - Karl Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, etc - hell, even Saul Alinsky mentioned above. Hence, I would think this point would serve to prove that Obama is NOT a socialist vs. being one. Strange indeed.

"Why is being called a Socialist a bad thing?"

Just because Barack Obama is not a socialist does not mean that being a socialist is necessarily a bad thing. Morons who think that everything is either black or white, socialist or capitalist are incapable of understanding that some things are better accomplished by society as a whole and others are better done by entrepreneurship. Therefore, labeling itself is the tactic of the right and the stupid.

look around the world where socialism is the way they do things
we could always look at the soviet union but we would have to look at history books now wouldnt we because .>>THEY ARE GONE.....replaced with thier form of capitalism..

so lets look at say..cuba....read any reports lately on how many political prisoners are still in jail.....and look at the standard of living...I dont think its on a par with even a state like montanna......

okay so lets move to china....prospering like never before...and why...havent they adopted a more capitalistic system...with proper communist controls of course such as political prisoners and just remember the tinnamen square affair...
is that in OUR LIBERAL FASCISTS FUTURE.....

so where is a country that you could say socialism has worked??

FRANCE>...okay sure...and look at thier economy and output..what in the hell have they given the world other than different ways to surrender....

AND AGAIN>>>>IF the eminent domain thing is true...AGAIN>>IF IF IF IF IF IF IF

I guess it might not matter for some of you anyway,....living in a chinease state somewhere.....??

I really don't see how this would serve as evidence that Obama is a socialist.
#37 | Posted by Real_Story

It's not the argument. The point of this thread is wondering why Obama got his feathers ruffled when a reporter asked him "Is there anything wrong with you saying 'Yes' [I'm a Socialist]?"

Therefore, labeling itself is the tactic of the right and the stupid.

come on danni

GET OFF THIS GOD DAMNED NAME CALLING BULLSHIT...it only reflects on the person making the stupid comments like this one
I know you are smart enough to argue a point without looking like you are more like celisary than danforth or northguy

GET OFF IT...or just dont say anything..

""Why is being a called Socialist a bad thing?
#25 | Posted by Eddie"
It's not, Eddie, you little plagiarist you.
#27 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

So, when you don't like the answer you attack the person."

No, Eddie, I stated a fact: You're a plagiarist.

"NOW! answer the outstanding question of this thread! Why is being called a Socialist a bad thing?
#34 | Posted by Eddie "

Can't you read? (See #27 above.) If you think its a "bad thing" (ooooooh), you need to explain why. I don't think it's a baaaaaaad thing, Eddie.

"Now Doc, you need to explain to everyone what Socialism is..."

Actually, Eddie, I don't. I'm not the one who ranted on about socialism and yet didn't know what it was and, four days later,when finally cornered and looking extremely foolish, responded with a cut-and-paste.

What you really need to do, Eddie, is explain, in some detail, what you really think socialism is. (It would probably help move things along if, this time, you refrained from plagiarizing.) Then, since you seem to think being called a socialist is a "bad thing"---do you believe that or not?---you might want to lay out some written statements reflecting rational thought to back up your normal practice of shooting blanks out your cake hole.

Obama = Socialist simple truth. spin it how ever you want, but his actions speak louder than his empty words. "change we can believe in" yea.. right..

my point on the other post was that to succeed it seems that socialism has to HALT THE CRITICS and to keep the people at a certain level of economics...
in order to survive hasnt this been the case of country after country to try it
I wouldnt call cubans a people of freedom and we certainly know how little freedom and rights the soviet people had

one thing they ALWAYS DO is control things like the arts ....things that inspire the common people as well as others...thus the soviets had strick controls on what composers were able to write as well as literature....was that because they just wanted certain things writen..NO..it was because that was considered a threat to the state...

and look at the output of the workers in these countrie...NO INCENTIVE TO ACHIEVE BEYOND THE MINIMUM and thats not how we became the greatest and wealthiest country in the history of the world...

even the thought of it has my hands shaking from anger...IF...its true

#33 | Posted by afkabl2

I know what you mean. Bush really fucked the US over when he sold the US to the chinese to support his Big Oil buddies war.

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the communist movement had been spearheaded by jews - Karl Marx, Lenin, Trotsky,

#37 | Posted by Real_Story

Shhhh, you can't say that, because 1) it's true, and 2) it has to do with jews.

"Why is being called a Socialist a bad thing?"

Just because Barack Obama is not a socialist does not mean that being a socialist is necessarily a bad thing. Morons who think that everything is either black or white, socialist or capitalist are incapable of understanding that some things are better accomplished by society as a whole and others are better done by entrepreneurship. Therefore, labeling itself is the tactic of the right and the stupid.

#39 | Posted by danni

Another denial explanation.

"The fact" is that Obama is being painted a Socialist and there's nothing anyone can do about it. I see you trying desparatly on this thread.

As Obama's quotes point out in the article, the last administration had put some Socialist items in place, but no one is calling Bush a Socialist (but I am).

Fact is, we are headed down the road of state ownership of several industries and, in my opinion, it's not a good thing.

#43 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Doc, you're making an idiot of yourself. Please stop it.

and look at the output of the workers in these countrie...NO INCENTIVE TO ACHIEVE BEYOND THE MINIMUM and thats not how we became the greatest and wealthiest country in the history of the world...

#45 | Posted by afkabl2

Now, you're making some sense.

ROBINHOOD!!!!! Not socialist!

Obama = Socialist simple truth. spin it how ever you want, but his actions speak louder than his empty words. "change we can believe in" yea.. right..

#44 | Posted by noobama

Yeah, you'll Believe In the US....

more like, the "Rich" will Be-leave-In the US.

ROBINHOOD!!!!! Not socialist!

#50 | Posted by Unclesam

So Obama IS Spreading the Wealth?

Where did I hear that before. Oh Yeah! Joe the Plumber got him to say it. No fucking wonder you Libs hate Joe.

Eddie, when you've worked up a a definiton of socialism you didn't steal from someone else let me know. Until then, you just pissing down your own leg, kiddo.

and look at the output of the workers in these countrie...NO INCENTIVE TO ACHIEVE BEYOND THE MINIMUM and thats not how we became the greatest and wealthiest country in the history of the world...

#45 | Posted by afkabl2

Now, you're making some sense.

#49 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2009-03

do you mind if I print this out and put in my scrapebook..lol

actually I was making plenty of sense on the other postings here on this thread..

there is more to socialism than taking the money that PRODUCERS EARn and giving it to people who DONT PRODUCE

and the silly thing is...all we have to do is look back at our OWN HISTORY with the pilgrims..it didnt work then and it wont work now.

I know what you mean. Bush really fucked the US over when he sold the US to the chinese to support his Big Oil buddies war.

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I never heard one thing about bush giving eminent domain as part of the deal
and now..IF>>>I say IF>...its true
well you know it might not be such a bad thing anyway

we could put all of the illegal workers in california and THEN give it to them..I dont think the chi-coms would give them free health care and education

and HEY...HoLLYWOOD WOULD be controled by bejing
and just think what they would do with san fransisco

you know I may be rethinking this whole thing....

This country was founded by rich white men who didn't want to pay taxes.

England was forced to defend its colonies in the French & Indian War. the colonists were the biggest benefactors of this war. Then when King George III wanted the colonists to pay higher taxes to pay for the war they rebelled.

It is patriotic NOT tp pay your taxes

Eddie, when you've worked up a a definiton of socialism you didn't steal from someone else let me know. Until then, you just pissing down your own leg, kiddo.

#53 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Translation: "I'm pissed off with you because I wanted you to come up with a factless, freelance, off-the-cuff explanation of Socialism, but instead you quoted a valid souce! ARRRGGHHHH"

This country was founded by rich white men who didn't want to pay taxes.

England was forced to defend its colonies in the French & Indian War. the colonists were the biggest benefactors of this war. Then when King George III wanted the colonists to pay higher taxes to pay for the war they rebelled.

It is patriotic NOT tp pay your taxes

#56 | Posted by timbci

This comment is racist.

Why are you not including the non-white men AND women you don't want to give their hard-earned wealth in the form of "taxes"?

Translation: "I'm pissed off with you because I wanted you to come up with a factless, freelance, off-the-cuff explanation of Socialism, but instead you quoted a valid souce! ARRRGGHHHH"
#57 | Posted by Eddie

Eddie, next time you attempt to engage in an act of translation, please, do yourself a favor: consult an adult.

I'm not pissed off with you, Eddie. I actually find you quite amusing.

Now, let's deal with some facts, shall we? I didn't ask for "a factless, freelance, off-the-cuff explanation of Socialism." (What does that mean? Jeezus, Eddie, writing's really not your thing, is it?)

No, Eddie, what I asked for (four days ago) was a definition of socialism, assuming---given the amount of breath you've spent on the subject---you could come up with something better than a one-sentence rip-off of a boilerplate, overly simplistic statement. (Without attribution, Eddie; that's called "plagiarism" and it's associated with dishonesty.)

But you couldn't.

Is fire burnng where you are, Eddie? I ask because you're still pissing down your own leg.

This comment is racist.

Why are you not including the non-white men AND women you don't want to give their hard-earned wealth in the form of "taxes"?

Last time I checked the founders of America were white men. that is a fact NOT racism. I am sorry if you have Al Sharpton sysndrome and see race in everything. Apparently many nonwhites have no problem paying more taxes because they voted overwhelmingly for Obama. I really don't see why you would complain about higher taxes if you voted for Obama.

"This country was founded by rich white men who didn't want to pay taxes."

Outside of the US, where things are not black or white, their is a sliding scale, with pure socialism on one end, and pure capitalism on the other. The US has never been pure capitalism, because they do collect taxes, redistribute wealth according to the governments priorities. The new deal brought them further toward socialism, though hardly socialist. Canada is has more socialist policies than the US, Europe's a little more to the socialist side, but none of these enterprises would be socialist. Perhaps social democrats.
PURE socialism is the ownership and control of means of production and capital, to the extend that excludes all else.
FYI - USA, even under Obama, is still less socialist than all other first world countries. I think clearly Obama is not a Socialist. While he does see a larger role for government, it is very far from socialism.

Although he considered himself a populist, Coughlin spent much of his career denouncing Franklin Roosevelt as a socialist (sound familiar?)
Yep.... Fun, fun, fun.

Hans

#61 | Posted by Hans

And... FDR created many Socialist programs that are failing...

Yep, it IS fun.

More fear mongering from the the fringe right.

If Obama could be called a socialist, then Bush could be called a dictator. Both cases, equally invalid, rely on ascribing oversimplistic titles to explain policy features.

2. ... don't care that President Obama is a "socialist," so all this bleating is for naught.
Fun, fun, fun.

"Apparently many nonwhites have no problem paying more taxes because they voted overwhelmingly for Obama. I really don't see why you would complain about higher taxes if you voted for Obama"

who has those higher taxes, my taxes went down under Obama, actaully everyone in my neighborhood now has lower taxes, I love it!

If Obama could be called a socialist, then Bush could be called a dictator. Both cases, equally invalid, rely on ascribing oversimplistic titles to explain policy features.

#66 | Posted by JimmiG

Nuh Uhhhhhhh!!!

"And... FDR created many Socialist programs that are failing..."

after 28 years of Reaganomics. The right sought to kill off the New DEal, they are sorry they had to kill the entire economy to do it...and then in the end the programs survived but the economy didn't.

It's not the argument. The point of this thread is wondering why Obama got his feathers ruffled when a reporter asked him "Is there anything wrong with you saying 'Yes' [I'm a Socialist]?"

Eddie - my point is that Johnson's post really does nothing to support his argument when he lists Obama's ties to muslims and anti-jewish friend when muslims are not associated with socialism (tolaterianism, dictorship, theocracy - yes...communism - NO. Meanwhile, the communist movement has been deeply intertwined with jews (albeit some that have renounced religion all together) throughout its entire history. If one were to study history, a logical argument could be made that Hilter's move to encourage emigration and ultimately concentration camps was a move to stop jewish communist sympathizers within Germany. It has even been theorized that Stalin was Jewish.

eddie and others

its not so much that these white men didnt want to pay taxes...they didnt want to pay taxes they had no control over

DAMN....the more things change, the more the stay the same

although...I am sure after the next great american tea party scheduled for april 15th....nice date for it, dont you think..
I am sure that everything will change,..yeah sure

who has those higher taxes, my taxes went down under Obama, actaully everyone in my neighborhood now has lower taxes, I love it!

#68 | Posted by VMA224

when did this happen? It's all talk right now.

after 28 years of Reaganomics. The right sought to kill off the New DEal, they are sorry they had to kill the entire economy to do it...and then in the end the programs survived but the economy didn't.

#70 | Posted by danni at 2009

just think about this for a moment

to all of the people who have lost retirements and kids college funds from the market

which would the market respond more to

reagonomics
or
obamanomics???

"It's all talk right now."

With Obama's batting average his "talk" is as good as gold.

"to all of the people who have lost retirements and kids college funds from the market

which would the market respond more to

reagonomics
or
obamanomics???"

ER....news flash BLT....the housing bubble and the stock market bubble both burst on Bush's watch.
In other words Reaganomics caused both bubbles and both bubbles to burst.

"And... FDR created many Socialist programs that are failing..."

after 28 years of Reaganomics. The right sought to kill off the New DEal, they are sorry they had to kill the entire economy to do it...and then in the end the programs survived but the economy didn't.

#70 | Posted by danni

Yeah, yeah, yeah... Bla, bla, bla.

With Obama's batting average his "talk" is as good as gold.

LOL Fool's gold. Exactly what are you basing his batting average on, Danni? Certainly not the stock market or any other financial index. I haven't seen any diplomatic or political coups, yet. He hasn't solved any energy, health, or unemployment problems.

So I ask again: What the hell are you basing his batting average on?

With Obama's batting average his "talk" is as good as gold.

Well, campaign season is over. His actions now come with consequences; consequences that rosy talk can only cover for so long. Good or bad, pretty soon he'll start being held accountable.

the housing bubble and the stock market bubble both burst on Bush's watch.

First off, the seeds for the housing bubble were planted in 1999, before Bush took office. Secondly, the dot-com bubble was created and busted during Clinton's watch.

You are so blatantly partisan that you look for the simplest, most scaled-down talking points in order to substantiate your beliefs.

So I ask again: What the hell are you basing his batting average on?

The enormous personality-cult that swallows evertying he says as if it's gospel.

DAMN....the more things change, the more the stay the same

although...I am sure after the next great american tea party scheduled for april 15th....nice date for it, dont you think..
I am sure that everything will change,..yeah sure

#72 | Posted by afkabl2

This is very true and very scary. The rich will either make this country into a 3rd world nation or just leave and take their capital with them.

It's sad to watch the glutinous poverty stricken "poor" class in the US drive them out, or worse, drive them to action (say, something like bring in a whole class of people who WILL do the job?)

I am not rich, but I know a good thing when I see it. I am very comfortable working my ass off in a career that I like and I don't want upset the apple cart.

Obama has come alonf and turned it over.

In other words Reaganomics caused both bubbles

LOL. The left loves to credit Clinton for the overheated and much beloved economy that we all enjoyed under his term, but did this cause an unhealthy economic bubble that was destined to burst? OF course not. *snark8

Y'all really need to put your politics aside and take a realistic look at things, Danni. You display nothing but partisian stupidity if you don't.

Yeah, yeah, yeah... Bla, bla, bla.
#77 | Posted by Eddie

Eddie, if you don't stop pissing down your leg Mrs. Cleaver won't let you hump hers anymore.

You are so blatantly partisan that you look for the simplest, most scaled-down talking points in order to substantiate your beliefs.

As I pointed out earlier, Danni has two mutually exclusive buttons she can push: D & R. Complex issues that involve both parties are way, way, over her bong fogged head.

I am very comfortable working my ass off in a career that I like and I don't want upset the apple cart.
#81 | Posted by Eddie

Look on the bright side. If your apple cart business tips over you can perhaps step up to a falafel stand.

although...I am sure after the next great american tea party scheduled for april 15th....nice date for it, dont you think..
I am sure that everything will change,..yeah sure

#72 | Posted by afkabl2

How much you want to bet that the organizers of the April 15th Tea Party had to get a permit from the local government to have it?

And also that they will have armed riot squads there to shoot whoever steps outside the proscribed lines.

Some rebellion.

"did this cause an unhealthy economic bubble that was destined to burst? OF course not. "

Even if one were to unfairly pin the post 9/11 lows on Clinton, he still ran herd as the DJIA more than doubled, up 150%.

... Clinton, he still ran herd as the DJIA more than doubled, up 150%.

I don't know what you mean by 'he ran herd'. If you mean he happened to be president while a perfect storm of economic, technological, and demographic happenstances converged to cause a booming economy, the yes, you are right.

If you mean he was responsible and should have credit for that economy, you are wrong.

"Complex issues that involve both parties are way, way, over her bong fogged head."

To pretend that both parties are the same or that they are both equally guilty of destroying the economy would just be a denial of the truth. Sorry, I don't care if you think it is just partisan, that proves only that you haven't bothered to research it adequately. The fact is that the Republican Party has purposely followed their own stated goal of "starve the beast." I didn't make up that phrase, they did. They passed the Reagan and Bush tax cuts. They fueled the bubble economy. It would just be ridiculous today to now somehow pretend the Democrats are equally to blame. You can pretend all you want, especially when posting with so many right wingers who believe anything they are told by their punditocracy but if you were to try and push that idea among well informed people you would just be laughed at as a simpleton.

"If you mean he was responsible and should have credit for that economy, you are wrong."

Yeah, just a coincidence....and you call others partisan...hilarious.

Odd how GW was not responsible for 911 since he was only 8 mos into his Presidency, but Obama is responsible for the economic crisis now, a crisis based on years of GOP financial deregulation frenzy.

"a crisis based on years of GOP financial deregulation frenzy."

That and irresponsible tax cuts and wars.

Yeah, just a coincidence....and you call others partisan...

Tell my how Clinton is to credit for the economy, and I'll explain my 'perfect storm'.

In other words Reaganomics caused both bubbles and both bubbles to burst.

#76 | Posted by danni at 2009-03-09 12:19

please...I dont think it was reaganonomics per se......

again...then why did clintons dotcom bust??
was that reaganomics too and if so...where is your outrage on that..

And also that they will have armed riot squads there to shoot whoever steps outside the proscribed lines.

Some rebellion.

#86 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2009-03-

sorry but you are confusing this with left wing demonstrations that normally end with arrests because of destruction of private property or various other crimes being committed in the name of thier freedom of speech
this will be conservatives and I am confident in predictioning that there will be NOTHING of the sort that you see when you get a large group of unwashed exhippies with no job together.

Technology: In the '80s, Judge Greene deregulated and forced the dissolution of AT&T who until then had a monopoly on all telecommunications: data and voice. This caused an explosion in the laying of fiber optic cable and research into technologies to exploit its bandwidth. These technologies (SONET, frame relay, ATM [Asynchronous Transfer Mode, not money machines] DWDM, etc.) brought unimaginable amounts of bandwidth to the market making it dirt cheap. This bandwidth, dying to be used brought on the .com market. All this came to a head in the early to mid '90s

Demographics: The children of the first generation of people to really be indoctrinated into the technological world of TV and other cool electronic toys were coming of age in the '90s. They wanted more and more electronic shit. They wanted their internet, their chat rooms, their mobile phones. Silicon Valley ensured they got them.

Economics: The economic pendulum had already begun its swing into the positive the last few months of Bush 41's term. Like most economic cycles, this upward swing got legs and took off.

Now how is Clinton to credit for any of this, Danni?

especially when posting with so many right wingers who believe anything they are told by their punditocracy but if you were to try and push that idea among well informed people

AND ONCE AGAIN..
here you go calling us names

look..let me ask you
where do you get your information when debating issues here??/

and you know where IM going with it

the left says that what we talk about is mere talking points as given to us by rush or hannity and yet the left will post item after item and deem it the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and it will be coming from the fuckin huffington post..
dont you see a problem with that...

I don't care if you think it is just partisan, that proves only that you haven't bothered to research it adequately.

Get off your high horse, Danni. There are plenty of people who are both smarter and better-read than you who still disagree with you on these issues. You act as if people who don't think like you are both stupid and ignorant. It doesn't work that way.

especially when posting with so many right wingers who believe anything they are told by their punditocracy

That strikes me as insecurity on your part. In order to justify in your mind that someone could possibly disagree with your brialliance, they must be mindless robots taking orders from some nefarious hypnotist artist.

but if you were to try and push that idea among well informed people you would just be laughed at as a simpleton.

Only a simpleton narrows an entire argument down to the most base talking point and then act as if it proves a point. The simpleton becomes a partisan hack when, confronted with a similar type of talking point, moves toward nuance to explain away the similar talking point. Prime example: Reagan/Bush/Bush are simply bad, but Obama's debt is justifiable due to circumstances, as if the others didn't have circumstances.

Now how is Clinton to credit for any of this, Danni?

He's a Dem.

"I chose my friends carefully.The more politically active black students.The foreign students.The Chicanos.The Marxist Professors and the structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets.At night,in the dorms,we discussed neocolonialism,Franz Fanon,Eurocentrism,and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake,we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints."
-Barack Obama, "Dreams Of My Father"

Odd how GW was not responsible for 911 since he was only 8 mos into his Presidency, but Obama is responsible for the economic crisis now, a crisis based on years of GOP financial deregulation frenzy.

#91 | Posted by Corky at 2009-03-09

please

get hans to go through the archives and look at attacks from the left about how reagan was at fault for the 1982 numbers

and how the democrat controlle congress FOR TWO YEARS had nothing to do with this economic mess.

you cant have it both ways anylonger...

To pretend that both parties are the same or that they are both equally guilty

???

Did I say they were equally guilty? No -- I said they were both guilty in response to your assertion that it was only republicans fault.

At any rate, does it matter? It is in the past. I think we should focus less on blame and more on solutions.

this will be conservatives and I am confident in predictioning that there will be NOTHING of the sort that you see when you get a large group of unwashed exhippies with no job together.
#95 | Posted by afkabl2

If you are "unwashed" then you are still a hippie, a peach en regalia, by definition.

That said, it takes more than a shower to make you an "ex-hippie". Of that I am the proof.

And I haven't rioted at any protests.

"did this cause an unhealthy economic bubble that was destined to burst? OF course not. "

Even if one were to unfairly pin the post 9/11 lows on Clinton, he still ran herd as the DJIA more than doubled, up 150%.

#87 | Posted by Danforth

Clinton had as much to do with that as Forest Gump had to do with him getting rich from investing that "Fruit Company"

At any rate, does it matter? It is in the past. I think we should focus less on blame and more on solutions.
#102 | Posted by goatman

Of course it matters. It's what keeps the two party duopoly boat afloat.

You know, Danni -- I usually respect your posts and read them with an open mind. Often I can glean bits of truth from them even though I may disagree with most of it.

However, you are batting zero today. I don't see anything worthwhile in what you are posting this morning.

L It's what keeps the two party duopoly boat afloat.

It mighty float a duopoly boat, but it doesn't fix a a broken economy.

"Obama's mother Ann was an unstable woman and also a communist sympathizer. He received his indoctrination with his mother's milk. There is some question as to Obama's paternity and whether Davis is not indeed his father named on his birth certificate as such. This would provide a rationale for the reluctance to present the birth certificate to clarify Obama's status as a natural born U.S. citizen. In either case, Obama is the first acknowledged bastard President since his putative father, Obama the Kenyan, was married to another woman at the time he purportedly married Obama's mother, and so did not have the legal ability to marry"

From Johnson's First Post #1 on this thread.

Wow: That he was elected President is surely The American Dream achieved, don't you think, Johnson?

That said, it takes more than a shower to make you an "ex-hippie". Of that I am the proof.

And I haven't rioted at any protests.

#103 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

well I may have left out the 'community showers'...hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm

or is that a san fransicko activity???

and I am sure that you are just a model citizen..LOL

are you showering with Barbara Bush again, AFKABL2?

are you asking me if IM in the bowels of barbara bush.............library.

no.,....

I am about to embark on a most capitalist activity and thats to turn the tv on at the track to philly park and make some money..

I will need it to put in the tin can buried in my back yard so that the obama police dont get it when they start taking 80% of even an old retired farts fixed income.

If it looks like a dog, moves like a dog & barks like a dog, it's a dog.

Pick apart Johnson all you want but no one can deny the truth that this president cut his political & personal teeth on Marxist principles & ideologies. Fortunately for him, the public schools for years & years have made things like socialism & communism sound just hunky-dory so the dumbed down recipients of government largess don't give a shit. He & his modern "progressive" liberal friends sell their class envy under the guise of caring, & maybe they really do care but it's more about the collection & retention of power just like any other absolutism.

Good quotes all over the net from smart people who get it.

"Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have so much.'"

"Communism possesses a language which every people can understand - its elements are hunger, envy, and death"

You can get on "the Google" and read what the Communist Party, U.S.A., the Socialist Party, the Greens, and various other leftist political organizations think about Barack Obama. Guess what? They don't think he's a socialist. Lardass Limbaugh says he is. Who do you think has more credibility on the issue?

"It mighty float a duopoly boat, but it doesn't fix a a broken economy."
#107 | Posted by goatman

As long as there is someone to blame in the end, many will say it was unfixable, and consider that a win.

"and I am sure that you are just a model citizen..LOL"
#109 | Posted by afkabl2

In a certain sense, yes. Not sure exactly what model though.

anton

I have listened to these people on glenn beck for instance and I dont know that I would find comfort with the fact that they want the full bore socialist "experience"....

there is no doubt at all that obama is in the process of redistrubuting wealth in this country like noone before him

is that socialism?
I am confident that the left will use definitions to prove that it isnt and the right will just see what is happening with money from the "PRODUCERS" in our country being given to non producers

and again I ask...if that socialism?>?> probably not by a clinical definition but it sure AS HELL "AINT" good for us.

BY THE WAY

hatebig

excellant post...it was a nice one to leave on

In a certain sense, yes. Not sure exactly what model though.

#115 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009

well regardless...its a model that is getting older and older by the minute

and speaking of

got to go piss again

getting old is not for cowards.

"At any rate, does it matter? It is in the past. I think we should focus less on blame and more on solutions."

I think America needs to understand clearly what brought us to this point, you can call it blame or call it education but we need to review the past to prevent it from happening again.

You can get on "the Google" and read what the Communist Party, U.S.A., the Socialist Party, the Greens, and various other leftist political organizations think about Barack Obama. Guess what? They don't think he's a socialist. Lardass Limbaugh says he is. Who do you think has more credibility on the issue?

Don't you also think they don't know enough not to proclaim him as such & ruin the surprise. Jeez...

BY THE WAY

hatebig

excellant post...it was a nice one to leave on

The sweetest kiss off ever! If you threw in a "bless your heart" you could be a southerner!

"Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much.' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have so much.'"

That's BS, hbg. and bass ackwards. What the communist says is that no man should have so much if all men can't have as much. The capitalist says, how can I have more than anybody else....

I think America needs to understand clearly what brought us to this point, you can call it blame or call it education but we need to review the past to prevent it from happening again.

#119 | Posted by danni at 2009-03-09

and this is fine and I agree

but if you only believe what the huffington press or a socalled truth squad from biased democrats then you can save the time and just listen to cnn..

The sweetest kiss off ever! If you threw in a "bless your heart" you could be a southerner!

#121 | Posted by HATEBIGGOV at

okay okay

dont go overboard on it...lol

HEY DANNI

I enjoyed our discussions today..I really did..you know once you got over all of your 'conservatives are stupid' crap out of your system and I understand .
I dont feel like ive even been on the retort until after I tell briwo that he sucks....

have a great monday..IF thats possible

and we will continue tomorrow

UNLESS THE CHI-COMS have already taken over florida.,...lol

That's BS, hbg. and bass ackwards. What the communist says is that no man should have so much if all men can't have as much. The capitalist says, how can I have more than anybody else....

By that definition you proclaim that the dream of America & the idea that hard work & sound decisions have nothing to do with it. Why should all people have to have the same things or same amount of things? If everyone put forth the same effort that would be fine & true but they don't & it's not. As to having more, everyone has the right to say that to themselves & pursue their own greatness do they not? Of course, it IS easier to let someone else do the work & wait for a handout. How in the hell can someone who seems to be as smart as you honestly believe what you posted?

"By that definition you proclaim that the dream of America & the idea that hard work & sound decisions have nothing to do with it. Why should all people have to have the same things or same amount of things?"

No, HBG, what I mean is that all men can't have as much. Anyone can, that much is at least arguable. But all things being equal, equal work, effort and competence does not yield equal benefits. In our system, there must be a hierarchy of rewards, and the distribution of them is not entirely above board. We're not really a meritocracy fully, and that's got nothing to do with any "distribution of wealth" arguments. Ever do a job where a man got paid more for the same work or know any woman who's been in that situation? That speaks to my point to a degree.

Don't you also think they don't know enough not to proclaim him as such & ruin the surprise. Jeez...

#120 | Posted by HATEBIGGOV at 2009-03-09 01:47 PM | Reply

Aha! It's another conspiracy! Those darn commies and their secret plans for world domination.

socialism- any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.....

No he is not a socialist..... lololololololol I think the above says it all.

Aha! It's another conspiracy! Those darn commies and their secret plans for world domination.

No but if they are authorities on the subject, they know not to call him a socialist or a communist because people would flip. That's just politics.

OBAMA>>IM NO SOCIALIST

obama..there will be no lobbyst in my administratiobn

obama...there will be no earmarks

obama...I will go through line by line

obama..tim gaithner is the ONLY man in the world for this job and just because he is a tax cheat

well hell so what

socialism- any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.....

No he is not a socialist..... lololololololol I think the above says it all.

#129 | Posted by libslayer at 2009-03-09 02:10 PM | Reply

What goods have you gotten recently that were produced by the Obama administration?

No but if they are authorities on the subject, they know not to call him a socialist or a communist because people would flip. That's just politics.

#130 | Posted by HATEBIGGOV at 2009-03-09 02:17 PM | Reply

Or maybe, just maybe, that individuals who actually advocate socialism as the best course for our society know that Obama's policies aren't designed to bring it about.

Or maybe, just maybe, that individuals who actually advocate socialism as the best course for our society know that Obama's policies aren't designed to bring it about.

Maybe. I'm cynical on this one given his history. It's truly arrogant for anyone who advocates socialism to assume that we'll be the folks who finally make it work when it never has anywhere ever.

HATEBIGGOV

yea, but now we have the great Obamee and the lib's... they can make it work..........

On this Obama is absolutely correct. He is not a socialist nor is he advocating socialism. As any competent historian or economist will tell you.

AILtd
socialism- any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.....

so what part of this is not Obamee...

"so what part of this is not Obamee..."

Sorry. Doesn't work that way.

Ball's in your court.

What part is?

Hans

"and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods....."

when did President Obama ever advocate taking the means of production away from private ownership???

I guess when the right has no plan, no ideas, nothing....all they can do is call him a "socialist" and hope it sticks. Keep hoping, America ain't buying.

Taking over the banks. for ine.

ine=one

redistribution on weath...

"Keep hoping, America ain't buying."

Johnson, you're spot on! Obama may even be a bit left of the Socialist party. Socialism has never worked anywhere it's been tried, so why do the libs think it'll work now if they "just get the right people in charge?" Logic and evidence of history does not support the liberal socialistic vision of America.

Truth be told, what Obama really wants is to promise one group of people other people's money... not for their well being, but rather to garner power and future votes. Let's call it what it is.

America ain't buying.
yea, your right about that one.... The dow shows that..

"redistribution on weath..."

But you said:

"Johnson, you're spot on! Obama may even be a bit left of the Socialist party. Socialism has never worked anywhere it's been tried, so why do the libs think it'll work now if they "just get the right people in charge?" Logic and evidence of history does not support the liberal socialistic vision of America."

This "socialist/socialism" red herring really does make the riiiight sound like Statler and Waldorf blathering on about FDR and the New Deal. It's reminiscent of the Republican Party as a whole: potentially the stuff of pathos (well, bathos) but you're too busy laughing yourself silly at a crowd so completely lacking in self-awareness that they really appear to believe people beyond their own echo chamber and blogworld give a dam.

"Taking over the banks."

To introduce "socialism", he would have to take over the entire banking industry. Don't see that happening.

"The dow shows that"

The DOW shows that Wall Street is in panic mode. Wall Street and the DOW never represented America and, hopefully, they never will.

"Obama may even be a bit left of the Socialist party."

Realistic appraisal is apparently not part of some people's repertoire.

"Realistic appraisal is apparently not part of some people's repertoire."

Newsworthy.

Hans

I am not an Obama fan, but this "Socialist" crap is getting ridiculous. He's a leftist, but not a socialist and YES, there is a difference.

File this with the whole birth-certificate nonsense.

All I have to say is watch and see........

a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

Some would say ect... could = wealth...

Or capital could = wealth

"I am not an Obama fan, but this "Socialist" crap is getting ridiculous. He's a leftist, but not a socialist and YES, there is a difference.

"File this with the whole birth-certificate nonsense."

#152 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-03-09 03:02 PM"

Bravo, JeffJ!

As I said earlier, the repeated charge of "socialist" is robbing the word of any meaning whatsoever.

Hell, the ones repeating it the most couldn't even tell you what it means without the Googles, and even then couldn't explain it even after reading the Googled definition (see: libslayer).

Hans

you saying he is not moving to Socialist show you don't know what it means.

Bravo, JeffJ!

Thank you, Hans.

I sometimes really despise political discourse.

Obama has already earned serious criticism on a number of fronts. However, when the right stoops to calling him Stalin and Bin Laden, any legitimate criticisms are overshadowed by the absurdity of such over-the-top charges. The same thing held true with Bush, the ridiculous crap drowned out the long-line of legitimate criticisms.

"Taking over the banks. for ine."

The government has taken over insolvent banks for decades. IT reorganizes them and resells them back to private ownership.

"redistribution on weath..."

So far, the only redistribution has been upwards.

"America ain't buying.
yea, your right about that one.... The dow shows that.."

Obama didn't create the bubble and so he isn't responsible for the bust when the bubble burst.
The stock market will stop dropping in value when investors think the values won't continue to adjust.
Meanwhile our houses are still dropping in value but we're supposed to get upset about the stock market. For me my house is a far more important part of my overall wealth and the same is true for most Americans.

As I said before. Watch and see..

All of this bothers me because I feel we need to apply skeptical scrutiny to all of our elected officials. Unfortunately a combination of idiocy and hack-ish partisanship often get in the way.

"you saying he is not moving to Socialist show you don't know what it means."

That's what I would call an intellectually-challenged statement.

Hans

There are lots of arguments which can be made pro and con any position. However, for an argument to be taken seriously, its foundation has to be solid. If it isn't, if the base statement can be legitimately questioned, the rest of the argument, regardless of its worth, is _worthless_. As Johnson can/does demonstrate. And as this whole "socialism" ruckus proves.

If you have to ask then you can't afford it. Kinda fits here too.

"The stock market will stop dropping in value when investors think the values won't continue to adjust."
No, They will invest if they think the risk is worth it.... It is not worth it if you make money just to give it to the gov.

"Meanwhile our houses are still dropping in value but we're supposed to get upset about the stock market. For me my house is a far more important part of my overall wealth and the same is true for most Americans."

You think bailing people out of home loans is going to raise you house value? Consider this. He is spending alot of money, that is going to cause inflation to go up and the dollar to fall. where will that put your house value?

"As I said before. Watch and see.."

Yeah, you are vastly better off just sticking to that. After all, if you are wrong, username change is available.

Ah the birth certificate. Obama is hiding something.
I suspect one day the truth will come out

"It is not worth it if you make money just to give it to the gov."

Only no one does that. At most, they give a part of their earning as both per a legitimate employment agreement in the U.S. of A. (aka, the law) and as their part in contributing to the welfare of the U.S. of A.

"I suspect one day the truth will come out"

Gonna out yourself someday?

AILtd

I will admit if i'm wrong. I don't think so. But if I am. I will admit it to you first. does that work for you.

What is wrong with socialism?

Where does it mention in our Constitution that free market and capitalism are the foundation for our country? (specific example please)

Is there anyone that voted for the man that did not want this to happen?

"He is spending alot of money, that is going to cause inflation to go up and the dollar to fall. where will that put your house value?"

He is not spending anywhere near the amount of money that the reduction in value of homes and stocks represents. He is trying to prevent deflation which would be far worse than inflation.
At present the dollar's value is rising.

"I suspect one day the truth will come out"

That TIMBICILE is an escapee from a lunatic asylum???

"I will admit it to you first. does that work for you." - Libsl

AI's don't care.

"He is not spending anywhere near the amount of money that the reduction in value of homes and stocks represents"

I agree, he hasn't spent that value yet. But at the same time he is not helping. He is making it worse. Thats my point.

What is wrong with socialism? it is not freedom.

Where does it mention in our Constitution that free market and capitalism are the foundation for our country? it has been the core of the US that has made us #1.

"What is wrong with socialism? it is not freedom."

This makes as much sense as:

What is wrong with an apple? It is not a Toyota.

Hans

Hans

I thought it sums it up in short.

"it has been the core of the US that has made us #1."

Gosh. Here all along I thought it was the American ideals, as enshrined in our Constitution, which made us great and enabled us to become #1.

Turns out, it was McDonalds' profit and loss column which made us #1.

Hans

Put it this way. If you own land and the gov. decides they want it. they take it. nothing you can do about it. it also kills the "American dream". So in short it is not freedom.

"He is spending alot of money, that is going to cause inflation to go up and the dollar to fall. where will that put your house value?"

Warren Buffet, a major supporter of Obama is coming out aginst some of his policies. Here's ONE:

Obama didn't create the bubble and so he isn't responsible for the bust when the bubble burst.
The stock market will stop dropping in value when investors think the values won't continue to adjust.
Meanwhile our houses are still dropping in value but we're supposed to get upset about the stock market. For me my house is a far more important part of my overall wealth and the same is true for most Americans.

WOw. hat is a pretty sad market evaluation.

"I thought it was the American ideals" what do you think alows you to act on these ideals.

"I agree, he hasn't spent that value yet."

You don't have a clue about that "value". It is a much larger figure than you can even imagine.
Concerning yourself with inflation right now is like worrying that your home will get wet when the firemen try to put out the flames.

too bad, because if you were, the taxpaying citizens of this country wouldn't be getting fucked so bad.

Name one socialist country that has done as well as the US?

"WOw. hat is a pretty sad market evaluation."

Yeah, not nearly as brilliant as blaming the president who has been in office a little over a month. The fact of the matter is, my evaluation is actually reality.

"Name one socialist country that has done as well as the US?"

ummmm....the United States of America.

"Put it this way. If you own land and the gov. decides they want it. they take it. nothing you can do about it. it also kills the "American dream". So in short it is not freedom."

And nothing to do with socialism. Which concerns itself with who controls the means of production and manufacturing.

Still, you do make a good argument against totalitarianism. However, neither Stalin nor Mao got any votes in the last election.

"He was indoctrinated with communist beliefs by a Communist Party apparatchek, Frank Marshall Davis . . ."

Do you have any evidence of this, or is it pure non sequitur speculation masquerading as fact?

Since that "socialist" FDR and his "socialst New Deal" we have created the largest middle class in the world.

danni

you missed my point. Your value is going to go down. It is a matter of how much. bailling people out of loans and the rest of the throwing money arround is going to inpact your home value 10 full.

Since that "socialist" FDR and his "socialst New Deal" we have created the largest middle class in the world.

#190 | Posted by danni

How so?

One little point makes you wrong.

MOST of the middle class makes more than minimum wage.

Hate to break this to you. we got fucked on the "new deal"

"Name one socialist country that has done as well as the US?"

ummmm....the United States of America.

#187 | Posted by danni

Danni,

Let's see you make a fool of yourself and refute this:

The US is doing so well because of the Federal Reserve printing money and taxing the world. Doing so since 1973 (or 1974).

Has absolutely nothing to do with ANY of the socialist policies of FDR. In fact, without those business stiffling taxes (not to mention the Unions), the US would be even richer now.

WOw. hat is a pretty sad market evaluation."

Yeah, not nearly as brilliant as blaming the president who has been in office a little over a month. The fact of the matter is, my evaluation is actually reality.

He should be blamed.
the market is down 20% since he took office.
the market tanks everytime he speaks on TV. Geithhner is even worse. He is lost. The fact of the matter is you have no idea what you are talking about. I had a college intern last Summer who worked for me that knew more than you. You should be embarassed

#187 ummmm....the United States of America.

we are Socilist? lolololol

"WOw. hat is a pretty sad market evaluation."

Yeah, not nearly as brilliant as blaming the president who has been in office a little over a month. The fact of the matter is, my evaluation is actually reality.

#186 | Posted by danni

Danni?

How do you explain this:

"In fact, without those business stiffling taxes (not to mention the Unions), the US would be even richer now."

I keep waiting to see some proof of this.

"Put it this way. If you own land and the gov. decides they want it. they take it. nothing you can do about it. it also kills the "American dream". So in short it is not freedom."

That is called eminent domain.

Without it there would be no public roads in America, including our Interstate system.

Talk about killing the American dream.

Hans

"In fact, without those business stiffling taxes (not to mention the Unions), the US would be even richer now."

I can make wild, unsubstantiated statements too, doesn't make them true.

"One little point makes you wrong.

MOST of the middle class makes more than minimum wage."

Hate to break it to you, minimum wage is not the only benefit from the New Deal. That said, many people formerly working for big salaries may be thanking FDR for that minimum wage pretty soon.

"we are Socilist? lolololol"

The fact that you seem unaware that we do have some socialist parts of our government speaks volumes. Were you under the misconception that America is a strictly capitalist nation???

"The US is doing so well because of the Federal Reserve printing money and taxing the world. Doing so since 1973 (or 1974)."

Let me guess. You're one of them gold-standard types. The fringers.

"Concerning yourself with inflation right now is like worrying that your home will get wet when the firemen try to put out the flames"
your right. at hard times like now why be concerned with the price of milk, clothing, ect...

"How do you explain this"

Idiocracy.

How do you explain eddie's continual posting of that video as if it is making some kind of point?

Idiocracy.

Hans

danni #201

nice twist. you said we are socilist.

Hans, so which one is more fun for you - Eddie or Libslayer? Just curious.

That is called eminent domain.

Without it there would be no public roads in America, including our Interstate system.

Talk about killing the American dream.

Hans

WTF.... Not even the same.

"The US is doing so well because of the Federal Reserve printing money and taxing the world. Doing so since 1973 (or 1974)."

Let me guess. You're one of them gold-standard types. The fringers.

#202 | Posted by AILtd

What? you think it's not true?

when do we start the impeachment proceedings

"What? you think it's not true?" - Eddie

Not at all. I _know_ it isn't true.

Eddie

they don't know how money works. it is just paper to them. why not print more.

"And nothing to do with socialism. Which concerns itself with who controls the means of production and manufacturing."

a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

correct me if I'm wrong. does that say land?

above is in response to post #188

"
danni #201

nice twist. you said we are socilist."

To a degree we are. So are most of the countries of Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. some more, some less. Are you pretending we aren't??

yes, I would say we are far from Socialist

"He was indoctrinated with communist beliefs by a Communist Party apparatchek, Frank Marshall Davis . . ."

There's no credible evidence Davis was ever a member of the Communist Party. In fact, he issued warnings about some Communist proposals associated with the Great Depression.

C'mon, riiighties, get right with reality.

"yes, I would say we are far from Socialist"

Then you'd be wrong.

Where does it mention in our Constitution that free market and capitalism are the foundation for our country? (specific example please)

#170 | Posted by jackd2001 at 2009-03-09 03:23 PM | Reply

It doesn't. There sure as hell wasn't a free labor market in certain parts of the country at its founding.

"C'mon, riiighties, get right with reality."

Reality is a left wing concept that most righties have learned to ignore and even pretend does not exist.

"What? you think it's not true?" - Eddie

Not at all. I _know_ it isn't true.

#210 | Posted by AILtd

You're kidding, right? You are saying there's no Federal Reserve?

Turns out, it was McDonalds' profit and loss column which made us #1.

Hans

#178 | Posted by Hans at 2009-03-09 03:36 PM | Reply

Billions and billions of little patties of freedom served.

i believe obama is a socialist. he has never held a real job and has always gotten paid by the govt

Hans, so which one is more fun for you - Eddie or Libslayer? Just curious.

#206 | Posted by AILtd

Hero-worship. How cute.

Hans, you're building quite the "Conferderacy of Dunces"

"in certain parts of the country at its founding."

Yes this is true. why do you this we went the free market rout.

Reality is a left wing concept that most righties have learned to ignore and even pretend does not exist.

Self-reliance is a right wing concept that most lefties have nightmares abount in the midddle of the night

Put it this way. If you own land and the gov. decides they want it. they take it. nothing you can do about it. it also kills the "American dream". So in short it is not freedom.

#179 | Posted by libslayer at 2009-03-09 03:37 PM | Reply

Take up your bitch with the Founders. They're the ones who stuck Eminent Domain in the Constitution. Those freedom-hating socialists.

"You're kidding, right? You are saying there's no Federal Reserve?" - Eddie

Where did I say that? Really - where ?

Your statement was "The US is doing so well because of the Federal Reserve printing money and taxing the world. Doing so since 1973 (or 1974)."
That statement is the issue because it is wrong.

"Hero-worship." - Eddie

Really? How do you come up with these nonsensical conclusions? Learn them in school or through trial and error?

"yes, I would say we are far from Socialist"

Then you'd be wrong.

#217 | Posted by danni

Danni is right. The US does have a few programs that are Socialist. BTW, Danni, you are the only one who is honest enough to say that we are Socialist to some degree.

However, I would like to dig a little deeper into Social Security. It is a "pay into" system, as is Medicare. Social Security, from what I know, does not pay out to anyone who has not paid into it. Medicare, as far as I know, pays much in the same way. However, Medicaid is truly a Socialist program. It doesn't matter if you've paid into it or not. BUT, it's at the state level.

So, Danni, Social Security is not a Socialist Program, but the fact that the US Government runs it makes US Socialist. Confusing ain't it.

But I agree with you, we are Socialist.

Anton I hope one day you get a taste of real socialism and you will wake up.

"Conferderacy of Dunces"

#223 | Posted by Eddie

Tee hee!

"You're kidding, right? You are saying there's no Federal Reserve?" - Eddie

Where did I say that? Really - where ?

Your statement was "The US is doing so well because of the Federal Reserve printing money and taxing the world. Doing so since 1973 (or 1974)."
That statement is the issue because it is wrong.

#227 | Posted by AILtd

Wrong?
How so?

"Self-reliance is a right wing concept that most lefties have nightmares abount in the midddle of the night"

I'd bet that most libs are more self-reliant than you and Eddie. Living in Mom's basement is not being self-reliant.

"WTF.... Not even the same."

What's not the same?

You said:

If you own land and the gov. decides they want it. they take it. nothing you can do about it.

Through eminent domain the government acquires land for public use. This includes roads (including the Interstate system).

If it weren't for those roads, how did you put it? Something about killing the American dream?

Now, how do you suppose they are not the same?

Hans

"BTW, Danni, you are the only one who is honest enough to say that we are Socialist to some degree."

Actually, most people who are knowledgeable about socialism say that. It is called being "socialistic". You may have seen that term tossed around by people.

"Social Security is not a Socialist Program"

Correct. It is a socialistic program.

Turns out, it was McDonalds' profit and loss column which made us #1.

Hans

#178 | Posted by Hans at 2009-03-09 03:36 PM | Reply

Billions and billions of little patties of freedom served.

#221 | Posted by anton

I thought it was Wal-mart

Danni - I think you reversed who is not thinking in real terms.

Anton - Capitalism is a system that evolves from ones ability to make their own decisions as to what to do with the "fruits of your labor".

In that respect the Constitution - by limiting Government - insured the evolution into capitalism.

Socialism, Facists, and Communism all have some element of government control as part of their system. They are all somewhat autocratic systems - where capitalism is not really a "system" it is economic process that results from freedom.

Over the years we have migrated further and further away from laissez-faire to regulated capitalism. But the system still supposed that you kept (within government defined reason) the fruits of your labors to spend how you wish.

The encroachment of Govn. regulation into banks, healthcare, retirement planning, and especially redistribution of wealth runs counter to this.

All of these depend upon restriction of your freedom to make your own decisions as to what to do with the capital you accumulate.

"Wrong? How so?" - Eddie

Read some history. And some economic history. And learn.

Anton I hope one day you get a taste of real socialism and you will wake up.

#230 | Posted by libslayer at 2009-03-09 04:28 PM | Reply

I've traveled to Europe and experienced "real" socialism. I have relatives who live there still. To pretend that their standard of living is so far beneath ours is stupid. In many ways, in parts of "socialist" Europe the standard of living supersedes ours. Get out more. If you equate a national healthcare program, for example, with Stalinist gulags, then you are a dunce. I'm sorry. It is no more basic than that.

BTW your compensated for Eminent Domain.

I'd bet that most libs are more self-reliant than you and Eddie. Living in Mom's basement is not being self-reliant.

#233 | Posted by danni at 2009-03-09 04:30 PM | Reply

You're bagging on Eddie, and you have to rely on a "mom's basement" crack?
Obviously if that's the best you've got, then you're outclassed. That is absolutely pathetic, considering we're talking about Eddie.

That dude has been the Whipping Boy du jour for at least a fucking week now. Come on Danni, pick up your game!

"How do you explain this"

Idiocracy.

How do you explain eddie's continual posting of that video as if it is making some kind of point?

Idiocracy.

Hans

#204 | Posted by Hans

No point.

It's just a gift that keeps on giving, even after so many months.

And it looks like it's working.

"The encroachment of Govn. regulation into banks, healthcare, retirement planning, and especially redistribution of wealth runs counter to this."

So what? it is called dealing with the times and the issues.

"All of these depend upon restriction of your freedom to make your own decisions as to what to do with the capital you accumulate."

All of these depend on doing what is best for the country as opposed to what is best for one particular individual.

"Hans, you're building quite the "Conferderacy of Dunces"

Sort of like socialism: It must have a definition, somewhere.

Pertain able to someone, somehow.

Now, what the heck is a "Conferderacy"?

Hans

Postscript (to AILtd): To answer your earlier question: eddie.

Because he takes himself so seriously and actually believes he's making some kind of point.

libslayer... not so much.

do you know of a country in Europe that has more individual freedom than we do?

also as I asked above. Name the socialist country that has done better than the US?

"BTW your compensated for Eminent Domain."

Yep. So much for the government "taking" land.

Hans

"No point.

"It's just a gift that keeps on giving, even after so many months.

"And it looks like it's working."

#242 | Posted by eddie at 2009-03-09 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag: Wash, rinse, repeat

do you know of a country in Europe that has more individual freedom than we do?

#245 | Posted by libslayer at 2009-03-09 04:39 PM | Reply

Define "individual freedom."

"That dude has been the Whipping Boy du jour for at least a fucking week now."

LOL!!! Thanks, 101.

AILtd... see what I was saying about eddie?

;0)

Hans

Yep. So much for the government "taking" land.

Hans

what you lost me or maybe you lost track of the convo..

We ae going to finally have the following.

1. National Healthcare - It is an absolute disgrace that this nation would allow it's sick to do without

2. Tighter regulation on Wall Street - they are not capitalist, they are greedy

3. A president that does not make me cringe at the ignorant, mispronounced rhetoric.

4. BTW it is not Obama, it is President Obama

The only fear we have to fear is the fear and loathing in the right wing mind.

"are" sticky keyboard

Define "individual freedom."

Individualism is the moral stance, political philosophy, or social outlook that stresses independence and self-reliance. Individualists promote the exercise of one's goals and desires, while opposing most external interference upon one's choices, whether by society, or any other group or institution.

"see what I was saying about eddie?" - Hans

Yeah, I did notice that he always seems so bewildered that people don't agree with him. "They gotta be libs". And sure that he can stomp those who don't.

"what you lost me or maybe you lost track of the convo.."

"individual freedom." - Libsl

You do know that "individual freedom" and "individualism" are two distinct and separate concepts, right?

Now, what the heck is a "Conferderacy"?
#244 | Posted by Hans

Hans, it was reference to a book. Nevermind, the insult is wasted on the unlearned.

"If you own land and the gov. decides they want it. they take it."
I was giving an example of Socialist...

AILtd No they are not..

Individualism is the moral stance, political philosophy, or social outlook that stresses independence and self-reliance. Individualists promote the exercise of one's goals and desires, while opposing most external interference upon one's choices, whether by society, or any other group or institution.

#253 | Posted by libslayer at 2009-03-09 04:51 PM | Reply

OK. Now define "individual freedom" as you used it in your prior post and avoid cutting and pasting some article on "individualism" next time.

"No point.

"It's just a gift that keeps on giving, even after so many months.

"And it looks like it's working."

#242 | Posted by eddie at 2009-03-09 04:35 PM | Reply | Flag: Wash, rinse, repeat

#247 | Posted by Hans

Hans, you should have just left this one alone...

AILtd if you know what it means why ask..... answer my question.

"Wrong? How so?" - Eddie

Read some history. And some economic history. And learn.

#238 | Posted by AILtd

Translation: "You got me Eddie, I'll move on now"

you want to try again? How was I wrong?

Are you going to tell me it was the wrong year? LOL! You're getting to be a nit-picky idiot like Hans?

individual freedom is the same as Individualism. now you know what it means. answer the question

"Come on Danni, pick up your game!"'

no argment here, it was a lame attempt at best.
Some days (Mondays) it seems harder to think than others.

"AILtd No they are not.." - Libsl

Wrong. A person can exhibit no desire for indiviualism, even demand to be part of a group. Yet that individual has the freedoms expressed in our Constitution.

"AILtd No they are not.." - Libsl

Wrong. A person can exhibit no desire for indiviualism, even demand to be part of a group. Yet that individual has the freedoms expressed in our Constitution.

#266 | Posted by AILtd

I wish there were the Freedom to Opt-out of Federal taxes.

AILtd what ever, define it how you want. but they are one in the same. now answer my question.

individual freedom is the same as Individualism. now you know what it means. answer the question

#264 | Posted by libslayer at 2009-03-09 05:02 PM | Reply

No, they aren't. But nevermind.

So, in your view of the world a person in a socialist country who has guaranteed healthcare is less free than someone who lives in individualist country who lacks health insurance but is "free" to go out and get it if he can afford it.

I disagree.

"Translation: "You got me Eddie, I'll move on now"

Wrong. Was stated in very simple and explicit terms. Making up your own version of history does not replace what legit historians and economists say. You _really_ should do some reading. It will make you _seem_ like less of an idiot.

"Are you going to tell me it was the wrong year?"

Damn, you really can't keep track of what _you_ wrote, can you. Your statement was "The US is doing so well because ...". That is what is wrong. The year doesn't matter. DAMN!

"I wish there were the Freedom to Opt-out of Federal taxes.

#267 | Posted by Eddie "

Of course you do. You're one of those conservative welfare queens that want something for nothing. Friggin' leech.

"Wrong? How so?" - Eddie

Read some history. And some economic history. And learn.

#238 | Posted by AILtd

you going to answer this?

"I wish there were the Freedom to Opt-out of Federal taxes."

There is. Become an ex-pat.

"I wish there were the Freedom to Opt-out of Federal taxes.

#267 | Posted by Eddie "

Of course you do. You're one of those conservative welfare queens that want something for nothing. Friggin' leech.

#271 | Posted by nullifidian

Really, what do I get for my taxes?

"AILtd what ever, define it how you want. but they are one in the same." - Libsl

Yeah, an apple and an applet are the same, right? WOW! OK, show me how the two definitions I gave are the same.

#241 | Posted by 101Chairborne

And you're not?

At least my provacative announcements have "some" intelligence.

101, you're a goofy moron.

"I wish there were the Freedom to Opt-out of Federal taxes."

There is. Become an ex-pat.

#273 | Posted by AILtd

nope. Not even then.

anton

just as I thought you can't name the country.

"you going to answer this?"

It's in the history and economics books. Your version isn't. Therefore, it is up to you to prove your case. Ipso facto.

"Really, what do I get for my taxes?

#274 | Posted by Eddie "

Nothing Eddie. You're being ripped off! You should become an ex-pat like Ailtd suggested. If you don't you're a sucker! When are you leaving?

"Really, what do I get for my taxes?

#274 | Posted by Eddie "

Nothing Eddie. You're being ripped off! You should become an ex-pat like Ailtd suggested. If you don't you're a sucker! When are you leaving?

#280 | Posted by nullifidian

I'm already gone along with the rest of the Rich People protecting their hard-earned wealth.

"nope. Not even then."

Yep, live overseas for a full fiscal year, earn all your money there, you don't gotta pay any Fed Taxes. It's in the IRS statutes.

"you going to answer this?"

It's in the history and economics books. Your version isn't. Therefore, it is up to you to prove your case. Ipso facto.

#279 | Posted by AILtd

Oops, you challenged it. Prove me wrong. That's how it works here.

"Oops, you challenged it. Prove me wrong. That's how it works here."

Nope, you made a claim which is not supported in reality. Your responsibility. Even on the DR.

"At least my provacative[sic] announcements have "some" intelligence.

101, you're a goofy moron.

#276 | Posted by Eddie "

Let's have a vote. No, not on whatever Chair is a goofy moron, but whether Eddie's "provactive" "announcements" have any intelligence.

I vote no.

AILtd,

You either know you're wrong or you're lazy.

Prove that the printing of dollars is not taxing the world.

#170

Jack, where in our Constitution does it say that the wealthy, or wealthier, must transfer part of their wealth to those with less? Our Constitution favors free markets if it favors anything.

Let's have a vote. No, not on whatever Chair is a goofy moron, but whether Eddie's "provactive" "announcements" have any intelligence.

I vote no.

#285 | Posted by nullifidian

Null,

I propose that you have to say something meaningful when you post here to get a vote...

You don't get a vote Null.

"I wish there were the Freedom to Opt-out of Federal taxes."

There is, as long as you're talking about income taxes, social security taxes, and Medicare taxes. And it's perfectly legal.

Buy a house in need of repair. Live in it while you do the repairs yourself. After two years, you can sell it and pocket all the profits, tax free. No income taxes, no SS taxes, no Medicare taxes.

Repeat every two years. Viola!

just as I thought you can't name the country.

#278 | Posted by libslayer at 2009-03-09 05:15 PM | Reply

The Netherlands. OK, now explain how I'm wrong.

The problem is, you still haven't defined your term. In certain areas of life, some Europeans have relatively more freedom. In some areas, less. The same can be said about the U.S. itself. Is the level of "freedom" in Las Vegas, NV, the same as in Salt Lake City, UT for example.

The term has also been used to describe "individual initiative" and "freedom of the individual".

Danni, just because a few dems pushed some socialist programs thru does not make us a socialist country like you stated. And taxes don't make us that either. We are a democratic republic and as long as we can keep dems out of the way, we'll stay away from becoming socialists like Obama wants us to be.

"You either know you're wrong or you're lazy.
Prove that the printing of dollars is not taxing the world."

The world doesn't think so. They keep doing it and bel;ieve in it. Now you prove the world is wrong.

"becoming socialists like Obama wants us to be."

Christ, another one. You got proof?

"The world doesn't think so. They keep doing it and bel;ieve in it. Now you prove the world is wrong."

WE HAVE....

"WE HAVE...."

The world doesn't agree.

Danni, if we are socialists then we have become so in just the past few decades and this is why we are in the crap we're in right now. Socialist programs are at the very heart of our economic woes. What else can you blame it on if that's what you claim we are?

-becoming socialists like Obama wants us to be.

What a load of elephant manure. Some people will believe anything, I tells ya!

IF McCain had won, we would be spending almost as much money almost the same way in a classic Keynesian attempt to spend our way out of a recession.

Those are the facts, and all the GOP, "Obama is a Socialist" propaganda won't change that. It is just fodder for Dittoheads.

"The world" do you have proof of the whole world?

"do you have proof of the whole world?"

"Oops, you challenged it. Prove me wrong. That's how it works here." - Eddie

I have proof we have proved it to the world.

for one we have lead the "world" in just about every catagory.

What a load of elephant manure. Some people will believe anything, I tells ya!

I know what you mean, corky. There are actually fools who believe the democrat's admitted campaign protraying Rush Limbaugh as the leader of the GOP. I've seen 'em on this very blog. Crazy isn't it how gullible people can be!

"Danni, just because a few dems pushed some socialist programs thru does not make us a socialist country like you stated."

If it helps you get through the night to think that then fine but the reality is that yes, parts of our government are definitely socialist. Ask Rush Limbaugh or one of the other right wing pundits if you don't believe me. What do you think they will call Medicare, Social Security, Welfare, etc.???

""Oops, you challenged it. Prove me wrong. That's how it works here." - Eddie"

I like this one:

"I have proof we have proved it to the world. for one we have lead the "world" in just about every catagory."

Eddie's statement was "The US is doing so well because of the Federal Reserve printing money and taxing the world."

So what, exactly, have you "proved"?

"Hans, you should have just left this one alone..."

As long as the GOP doesn't actually have a Dear Leader, and as badly as they feel the absolute need to have a Fuhr... er, Leader, it is fair play for the Dems to make a satirical appointment themselves.

"There are actually fools who believe the democrat's admitted campaign protraying Rush Limbaugh as the leader of the GOP."

It didn't hurt when Limbaugh bashed Steele after he said Rush is not the leader of the GOP. Rush helped further the rumor which the Dems joyfully admit they love to push. The Republicans have played this episode poorly, the old GOP wouldn't have been sucked in so easily but then they also would not have elected that boob Steele as head of RNC either. It's almost like the smartest players for the GOP have retired leaving just the second string players.

Hey you liberal dumb asses. I told you that if the glorified commie organizer got elected this would happen. That's right I FREAKIN TOLD YOU SO!!!!!! Now what the F are ya gonna do? Force us doers to pay your friggin bills ? STICK IT!!!!!
WE DON'T NEED YOU! No one to pay your way? TOO BAD :)

"The US is doing so well because of the Federal Reserve printing money and taxing the world."

It "taxes" the US but I don't see how it taxes the world.

HEY HANS-

yippee ki-yaaah mf'er

You guys are going to try and deny Obama's political upbringing when it is documented? He has done not one thing since taking office to make us believe that he isn't a socialist. Wait until the economy turns around and then watch his wealth redistribution beliefs kick in.

It didn't hurt when Limbaugh bashed Steele after he said Rush is not the leader of the GOP.

Nor did it help that the most powerful people in the country (top democrats and the white house) started a campaign of lies, either. I'm pretty sure they had more to do with it than one man.

The Republicans have played this episode poorly

Sometimes it's just too hard to fend off a coordinated ambush attack. Shame on those republicans! I guess you blame the fireman and not the arsonist when the house burns to the ground too, huh, Danni?

"Sometimes it's just too hard to fend off a coordinated ambush attack."

Probably so, but President Obama seems to be doing ok so far in spite of the claims that he is
Muslim
Kenyan
Socialist
and how many of these claims has Rush participated in himself???
How many politicians have been forced to defend their patriotism, religious beliefs, etc. because of that fat liar???
The Republicans mastered the art of dirty politics and Rush was part of it, now they get a small dose of their own medicine. Let's ask Max Cleland if this is fair or not.

"Wait until the economy turns around and then watch his wealth redistribution beliefs kick in."

So, apparently you think his efforts will turn the economy around. Good for you. At least you aren't hoping he will fail like Rush does.

NO, Danni, I happen to believe that the economy will have turned around without all of this money we're throwing at it. Unlike you who bashed Bush when he spent the money but praise Obama when he did the same thing. And Limbaugh didn't say he wanted him to fail. How long is it going to take before some of you libs get the context of what he said down?

he transcript of that show are on his web site.

he=his

And Limbaugh didn't say he wanted him to fail. How long is it going to take before some of you libs get the context of what he said down?

Four word. 'I hope he fails.'

*words*

Libslayer,

Have you figured out why people in The Netherlands have less "individual freedom" than we do? Or, are you still doing your research on that one?

"Unlike you who bashed Bush when he spent the money but praise Obama when he did the same thing."

I've bashed Bush lots of times but not for the bailout.

"And Limbaugh didn't say he wanted him to fail."

I don't care what he said, I love it though that millions believe he said he hopes America fails. He's scum, I don't care how they trash the POS.

Context again.

anton

we have prospered more than any other country under a demicratic republic. so you say the world does not think so. but I would have to say the proof is in the pudding.

"I don't care what he said, I love it though that millions believe he said he hopes America fails. He's scum, I don't care how they trash the POS."

this sums up the lib's views.

I don't care what he said, I'm going to keep repeating a lie so someone may pick it up as the truth.-Danni

anton

we have prospered more than any other country under a demicratic republic. so you say the world does not think so. but I would have to say the proof is in the pudding.

#324 | Posted by libslayer at 2009-03-09 06:28 PM | Reply

You realize that it is possible to have a socialist democratic republic, right?

"I suspect one day the truth will come out"

Gonna out yourself someday?

#168 | Posted by AILtd

Obama is also a closet Socialist (per the article)

He either is denying it or he really doesn't know.

Obama is also a closet Socialist (per the article)
He either is denying it or he really doesn't know.
#328 | Posted by Eddie

Obama is a "closet Socialist" who either denies he's a socialist (meaning he knows he's a socialist but he's lying to the rest of the world or he doesn't know it and completely lacks self-awareness) "or he really doesn't know" if he's a "closet Socialist" (meaning like you, Eddie, he doesn't know the meaning of the word?).

Eddie, when you got whelped at the puppy mill did they give you all your shots?

Well, you idiots keep coming in for air and can't seem to find it.

Danni is correct and you two ronnies are looking more and more the idiots.

Eddie is also a closet moron (per his posting history).
He either is denying it or he really doesn't know.
Sooner or later, Eddie, you gotta come outta that closet.
I mean, you've already outed yourself.

"two ronnies"

Barker and Corbett?

Danni is correct

#330 | Posted by moneywar

Can you be more specific.

The only thing that the Left has said on this thread is attack after attack. No substance.

Danni, however, did admit that the US is a Socialist nation.

"Obama is also a closet Socialist (per the article)"

Well there you have it!

"Per the article" so it must be true!

"I don't care what he said, I love it though that millions believe he said he hopes America fails. He's scum, I don't care how they trash the POS."

this sums up the lib's views.

#325 | Posted by libslayer

Agreed. The Left won the election, but their leader is screwing the pooch. EVERY DAY!

He IS failing and Rush is getting his wish.

And I don't even like Rush.

Hans

#334 | Posted by Hans

Uh, Hans, my pointed headed friend, This is the topic of the thread. You are admitting them that there are 300+ posts from the left trying to deflect this.

*gitch* You stepped in it, yet again.

Hans, do you ever post with anything of substance?

"And Limbaugh didn't say he wanted him to fail. How long is it going to take before some of you libs get the context of what he said down?"

Probably about the same amount of time it takes you to get the context of "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it" down.

Meanwhile, it makes for a great bumper sticker:

Limbaugh: "I hope the president of the USA fails"

And I don't even like Rush.

I have to laugh at this, posting about a socialist while not even knowing what socialism actually means and saying you don't like rush........now that has to make most people laugh.

Eddie, you're the short version of johnson, worthless and not worth reading.

"*gitch* You stepped in it, yet again."

Says eddie.

"Hans, do you ever post with anything of substance?"

Is this the Drudge Discussion?

Nope.

Is this the Drudge Debate?

Again, no.

Is this the Drudge Retort?

Ding... ding... ding!

I think we have a winner!

Hans

Obama--I'm not a socialist, but I play one as POTUS.

"Hans, do you ever post with anything of substance?"

Is this the Drudge Retort?

Ding... ding... ding!

I think we have a winner!

Hans

#340 | Posted by Hans

Wrong!

Sorry, Hans, even a retort has some legitimate connection to the original argument.

Your, so called, retorts are nothing but attacks on the person or weak deflection. Nothing else.

Nice try though.

Please try to stay on topic.

"*gitch* You stepped in it, yet again."

Says eddie.

Hey, wash, rinse, repeat.

Hans

#339 | Posted by Hans

See my point?

"Your, so called, retorts are nothing but attacks on the person or weak deflection. Nothing else."

Says eddie.

"See my point?"

#343 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-03-09 07:21 PM | Reply | Flag: wash, rinse, repeat

I have to laugh at this, posting about a socialist while not even knowing what socialism actually means and saying you don't like rush........now that has to make most people laugh.

#338 | Posted by moneywar

Then why are you continually reading it?

Now, you must define Socialism or you are a coward.

"See my point?"

#343 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-03-09 07:21 PM | Reply | Flag: wash, rinse, repeat

#345 | Posted by Hans at 2009-03-09 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag: ignore

Moneywar,

How is Danni correct? The only thing that I see her correct about is that the US is Socialist.

BTW, Hans, I'm trying to get the post count up to 500 (or more) you're helping out quite a bit with your nonsense.

Moneywar? You run and hide?

Moneywar? You run and hide?

"Now, you must define Socialism or you are a coward."

Doesn't work that way, eddie.

You claim someone is a socialist?

You have to define it.

Hans

"BTW, Hans, I'm trying to get the post count up to 500 (or more)..."

That's how you determine your self-worth, eddie?

Strange.

Hans

"BTW, Hans, I'm trying to get the post count up to 500 (or more)..."

That's how you determine your self-worth, eddie?

Strange.

Hans

#353 | Posted by Hans

Comeon Hans. This is all I got! LOL

"Now, you must define Socialism or you are a coward."

Doesn't work that way, eddie.

You claim someone is a socialist?

You have to define it.

Hans

#352 | Posted by Hans

Oops. Already did.

Moneywar,

Comeone. Do you even know what Socialism means?

All talk.

"Comeon Hans. This is all I got! LOL"

Well, that and false bravado:

353 posts later and nothing is accomplished. We still have no definition of socialism from the starter of this thread and no one has been convinced of anything by anyone. Mental masturbation at its finest.

Err, lowest.

Eddie,

Comeone. Do you even know what Socialism means?

All talk.

Comeone. Do you even know what Socialism means?

All talk.

#360 | Posted by Hans

Already defined it.

Hans,

Comeone. Do you even know what Socialism means?

You don't, do you?

You're afraid to define it just like the rest of the lefties.

#360 | Posted by Hans

"Already defined it."

Post number(s)?

Hans

#360 | Posted by Hans

Hans,
Comeone. Do you even know what Socialism means?
You don't, do you?
You're afraid to define it just like the rest of the lefties.

ok, that's better.

"Already defined it."

Post number(s)?

Hans

#363 | Posted by Hans

you're kidding, right?

I thought you read and knew everything.

Comeon Hans, put up or shut up.

Define it! I already did. I'll give you a hint: It's on this thread (LOL)

I'm just giving you a taste of your own immature medicine.

"ok, that's better."

No, it isn't.

And it doesn't work that way.

Comeone. Do you even know what Socialism means?

All talk.

Hans

"Define it! I already did."

You did?

Post number(s), please.

Meanwhile...

from the article -
"Well, I just think it's clear by the time we got here, there already had been an enormous infusion of taxpayer money into the financial system. And the thing I constantly try to emphasize to people if that coming in, the market was doing fine, nobody would be happier than me to stay out of it. I have more than enough to do without having to worry the financial system. The fact that we've had to take these extraordinary measures and intervene is not an indication of my ideological preference, but an indication of the degree to which lax regulation and extravagant risk taking has precipitated a crisis."
......................

Seems to me Obama used this as a teaching moment to again assert publicly that the republicans screwed the economy before he was elected and got his words into print reinforcing his position.

Classic politics if you ask me.

It would seem as though Obama is playing chess while others are playing checkers.

353 posts later and nothing is accomplished. We still have no definition of socialism from the starter of this thread and no one has been convinced of anything by anyone. Mental masturbation at its finest.

#358 | Posted by apparatchik

I asked the same question that the reporter asked and got a deflection from his almightness and the Left on this thread deflected:

"Is it so bad to say 'Yes', [I am a Socialist]?"

"I already did."

No, you plagiarized someone else's, and left out salient parts, like controlling the means of production. What percentage of the means of production does the government now control?

Much like during the campaign, Republicans are throwing around words for which they don't really know the definition. Socialist, Communist, Marxist, you name it....

And Eddie asks what he gets for his taxes while posting on the internet. Too rich.

you lot this one Hans.

I answered the question. You didn't.

#371 | Posted by Danforth

LOL!!! Are you Doc?

You're stealing Doc's response.

Comeone, don't be an idiot. You can quote a definition from a reliable source but I can't?

that's hypocritical, don't you think?

QUIT DEFLECTING AND DEFINE IT!!!!

Cowards!

"I answered the question."

Then it would be easy, very easy to say 'see post # xxx'.

Apparently, you can't.

Meanwhile:

#23 | Posted by Eddie a

Eddie,
I have to call BS about your post. You really do not know what Socialism is. You used the first possible posted definition (and the most simple) on Google to come up with your answer.

And Eddie asks what he gets for his taxes while posting on the internet. Too rich.

#371 | Posted by Danforth

Ah! ANOTHER deflection from yesterday. What? Are you an idiot for bringing that up again?

I asked you how the government "subsidizes" the Internet. No one could answer. Yes, A long time ago, the Feds, along with Univeristies and state and local governements paid a company called UUNET to hook them together. That is not a subsidy.

"You can quote a definition from a reliable source"

Yes, I can. Me. I've taken a lot of Econ classes, and even been the guy in front of the class.

that's hypocritical, don't you think?

No, that's education.

Try it sometime.

Now...can you answer my question? How much of the means of production does the government currently own?

Eddie,

It'd be real easy for you to give us the post number so we could all trot over to WND and see if it matches up with what Patrice had to say.

Eddie,
I have to call BS about your post. You really do not know what Socialism is. You used the first possible posted definition (and the most simple) on Google to come up with your answer.