"The Republicans can try to fashion a future by going back to the past. But that effort may be doomed to have no value except entertainment value."

Well, if Piyush's performance, Steele's stumblings, and Limbaaaw's rants are a foretaste of the entertainment values the GOPiggies this could be pretty good. I mean, in a low comedy, burlesquing sort of way. Like watching a troupe of blindfolded Morris dancers.

After B.O. leads us into a depression, I don't think the American Public will have a big problem returning to the past.

Obama's no more responsible for the economic woes of this country than FDR was. You're forgetting, years of GOPiggy rule shoved this country down the tubes for the Thirties and its done the same now. Obama's role, like that of FDR, is to try and fix the machine. It's broken. And, no, it doesn't require a war---in FDR's case, one where we were attacked; unlike Bush's Iraqi debacle---just a major overhaul and redesign.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If it is broke, fix it. Obama's the guy with the wrench and the Party of No are the accomplices who just want the trough refilled.

Obama's the guy with the wrench who's loosening the remain lug nuts on the wheels of this nation. His spending and constant crisis speeches have the nation scared to death and nobody is spending a dime.

His spending and constant crisis speeches have the nation scared to death and nobody is spending a dime.

#4 | Posted by wisgod

Nobody's spending because THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FREAKIN' MONEY-not-because Obama doesn't issue "false" news releases the way bushitter did.

"After B.O. leads us into a depression, I don't think the American Public will have a big problem returning to the past.
#2 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-03-03 09:22 AM"

Are you wishing for THIS past:

"I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once was: an Arctic region covered with ice.
- Steve Martin

"I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once was: an Arctic region covered with ice.

-----------------

Yup. There is no going back.

Humanity will either learn to get along without fossil fuels by converting to other sources, or there will be a massive dieoff and those who are left will learn to utilize other sources.

It's Obama that's moving us into the past. Right now the markets are where they were in 1996. Where will we be next month?

There's a cool new movie out. It's called Apollo 13. Go see it. By October, you should be able to check out this hysterical new actor, named Jim Carrey.

Keep selling.

Are you wishing for THIS past:

"I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once was: an Arctic region covered with ice.
- Steve Martin

#6 | Posted by TrueBlue
* * * *

I guess we see how that prediction played out.

Here is the truth about Obama's spending

"I guess we see how that prediction played out.
#9 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-03-03 08:33 PM"

You betcha.

Now we get to re-live those (economic) days of yester-year.

Well you know what they say Doc--

Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered.

If the GOP are piggies--

Then the Dems are the hogs.

Humanity will either learn to get along without fossil fuels by converting to other
sources (or perish) #7 | Posted by Shawn

hmmm #2, adding 1000's of sq miles of solar panels . . . putting out clean (?) energy - - but NOT reflecting that sun energy back into the atmosphere as usual.
the result?? cooling?? warming?? - - - unknown - - - tho, it would be undeniable that significant energy NO LONGER is going back into the atmosphere

hmmm #3, adding 1000's of sq miles of wind farms . . . putting out clean (?) energy ...
how does that change weather patterns? droughts?? how will it affect wildlife?? - - - unknown - - -

added:

tsk, tsk ... need I mention France is 30 yrs ahead of us providing clean nuclear energy

While everyone was expecting some change, I don't think the DOW being below 6800 was in the cards.

Nobody's spending because THEY DON'T HAVE ANY FREAKIN' MONEY-not-because Obama doesn't issue "false" news releases the way bushitter did.

#5 | Posted by frankf55

I have money, but I'm not about to spend it now. F BHO and his stupid spend like a drunken sailor (keep in mind I'm a squid, and I know what a drunken sailor is) plan. After it hits bottom, I'll spend again. Until then stock up on the necessities.

Dinny

The Republican talking point: Deficits got us into this problem.

They didn't help, but it's just not the main cause either. Hey, but use the deficits so you can both to distance yourselves from the Bush years AND find something of sanity in a party that's spinning out of control. Knock yourselves out.

It is a lousy talking point, though.

Obama is very bold in making sure Bush doesn't hold the record for deficit spending.

"After B.O. leads us into a depression....

#2 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-03-03 09:22 AM"

Does it suck being you, Wis? Tell the truth.

That said (for Yav), anyone criticizing Obama over deficit with the hope of exonnerating republicans is fucking retarded. I sure hope exonnerating is a word cuz I'm fucking drunk right now.

Obama is very bold in making sure Bush doesn't hold the record for deficit spending.

"But, but, but Bush"

the left

(nullboy, this is where you jump in and do your "flag non-partisian thing)

"But, but, but Bush"

the left

(nullboy, this is where you jump in and do your "flag non-partisian thing)

#21 | Posted by goatman at 2009-03-03 11:51 PM

"President Barack Obama and the Democrat controlled Congress are considering sweeping legislation that will provide new benefits for many Americans. The Americans With No Abilities Act (AWNAA) is being hailed as a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.

"Roughly 50 percent of Americans (Dems) do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society," said California Senator Barbara Boxer - Democrat. "We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability (POI) to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of Republican workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing."

"With hardly a pause to take a deep breath, Barack Obama has presented an economic recovery plan, a bailout plan, a budget and a major foreign policy address."

And it's worked out sooooo well bringing all the scum of the earth out from under their rocks. Thanx Barry.

The money is being handled quite responsibly, only those deserving a handout get it....oh wait thats every piece of scum liberal out there. Never mind.

Limbaugh was RIGHT
OF COURSE, in the dirty little secret heart of EVERY republican, there is HOPE for an Obama failure.
SO, they predict failure at every turn.
THEY HAVE TO!!!
Anything short of abject failure of the economy under Obama means that the democrats were RIGHT and they were wrong. That 'socialism' works better than capitalism.
NO, they don't want the counrty to fail. The country is very important to them. But being right is MORE important.
PARTY BEFORE COUNTRY
the REAL dirty little secret in the dirty little heart of EVERY republican

Unlike the filth like of Dennis Kuchenich or Murtha?

proudtobelib- We dont need the right to wish anything because SCUM like you are taking care of it all by yourself

Hey proud SCUM here's your favorite site I'm sure. How much was your check SCUM?

Democrats beat Republicans by 2 to 1 in who they trust to fix the economy. If Rush keeps it up it might be 3 to 1 soon. We weren't all asleep as this unfolded ...

Here's a link that works:

Ya aint too bright are ya.

see above for your fix and your trust bullshit idiot. Those are the same democrats stealing from us whom work that trust eachother. Liberal scum ya bunch of losers

Bold, I would rather use a better word to describe him. Idiot, dumbass, moron, those seem more inline with what he has done since being elected.

Democrats beat Republicans by 2 to 1 in who they trust to fix the economy. If Rush keeps it up it might be 3 to 1 soon. We weren't all asleep as this unfolded ...

Do you think any of these poll results has anything to do with folks thinking they're going to get another check in the mail? No, never mind. That thought has probably never crossed your mind.

Obama's no more responsible for the economic woes of this country than FDR was.

Just doing his part with the devaluation of the dollar, that's all.

His spending and constant crisis speeches have the nation scared to death and nobody is spending a dime.

I'm spending. So are a few million other Americans. Care to guess what we're spending on? It is better to have it and never need it than to need it and never have had it.

Bold? Russia just made BO look like an amateur. The only poll that matters is the Dow Jones Avg.

Russia just made BO look like an amateur.

That was Putin's intention, I'm sure. Establish turf superiority immediately.

obama will make the poor middle class or the middle class poor it matters not to the left,either one will be heaven.

"After B.O. leads us into a depression....

#2 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-03-03 09:22 AM"

Does it suck being you, Wis? Tell the truth.

#19 | Posted by mOntecOre

Actually, I'm doing fine. I started planning last July when I figured out who was going to be elected.
There are many more who are going to take it harder and quicker than I am.

""Roughly 50 percent of Americans (Dems) do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society," said California Senator Barbara Boxer - Democrat. "We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability (POI) to be ridiculed and passed over. With this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors to a small group of Republican workers, simply because they have some idea of what they are doing."

A link to this quote would be nice, otherwise just admit you made it up or copied it from some right wing liar.

"After B.O. leads us into a depression...."

No mention of Bush, WISGOD?? Hmmmmm

Hope you're doing well!!

Hi Lisa.
Screw Bush, screw em all. Time to start with a clean slate in Washington.

"Time to start with a clean slate in Washington."

I couldn't agree more!!

"Obama is running out of people to blame" and this unfolding tragedy will put an end to a most successful society ever built in human history. The old tired socialism/disaster is falling down across this once great nation-coast to coast. This is only the beginning-sooner or later the socialism is going to run out of other people money and misery will be distributed evenly (more or less). All those "well-meaning" do-gooders will become its victims as well. It is a deja vie all over again in a word of Jogi.

Here's a Letter to the New York Times today, specially for LIBERTY, WISGOD, MURPHY et al:

To the Editor:

Re " Socialism!' Boo, Hiss, Repeat" (Week in Review, March 1):

The government pays for police departments, other law enforcement agencies and the military, so I guess we have socialized security. The government pays for public schools, so I guess we have socialized education.

The government pays for cleaning the streets and waste disposal, so I guess we have socialized sanitation. With any luck, someday, the government will take on the responsibility of truly providing health care for everyone in the country, so I guess if that's socialized medicine, I can hardly wait.

If conservative Republicans are trying to make a fear of socialism their rallying cry to upset the Obama administration's efforts to deal with our economic crisis, that pitiful effort will only make them look even more ridiculous in the eyes of the general public.

Michael Spielman
Bronx, March 1, 2009

...it's funny how it crepes into unconscious minds unquestioned. Now, the pedal is to the metal!

SITDOWN: To bad, you are wrong. More and more people are discussing socialism in connection with your hero, FLOP EARS.

More and more people are discussing socialism in connection with your hero, FLOP EARS.

#44 | Posted by ozzieoswald

Well, Oozie and his friends, at least. So that makes, what, one?

Sitdown, is the Federal Goverment capable of running all these new socialist programs more efficiently that they ran the Digital Converter coupon program?

In fact, it is liberals who are going back into the past. Markets are always forward looking and all they see is an abyss. This power grab-redistribution-socialism was tried before and the failure was always abysmal. Even the Liberals will rue the day they sign-up to this deal. Now, do we really want Obama to succeed? ...or is there a glimmer of hope that this too shall pass?

SANOBAMA: You Wish!

"Time to start with a clean slate in Washington."

No ideas, no solutions, just simple minded talking points.

It certainly was a Rethuglican Plan to profit from a monumental financial disaster, surrender to the White House to the Democrats and blame them for what the thugs did. A carefully timed exit gone awry.

As the S&L disaster unfolded BushI kept the the facts tightly under wraps until after his election thus costing taxpayers extra hundreds of billions in loses. Paulson waited until October to put the issue on the table followed by doing the wrong things or nothing at all.

These greedfuckers cannot stop the consequences of their actions from unfolding but they do have the power to shift the timing of its public disclosure. Even more importantly they can shift blame by exercising their control of the media. They are currently pretending Fannie & Freddie are to blame for the subprime mess even though that is only 2% of one problem. The collapse of Stocks and Real Estate collapse could hit $11 trillion, but the derivatives crimes are in the quadrillions.

The timing of all these events should make it clear to the most casual observer who's really to blame. BushCo created the derivatives disaster by deregulating those markets in 2007. The spattering of Rethug loyalists that actually blame Obama have their heads up their ass. A pathetic attempt to rewrite history.

No ideas, no solutions, just simple minded talking points.

#49 | Posted by danni

Solution: Stop writing fucking checks with no oversight and bankrupting future generations.
There, Danni.

Are you wishing for THIS past:
"I believe that Ronald Reagan can make this country what it once was: an Arctic region covered with ice.
- Steve Martin

#6 | POSTED BY TRUEBLUE

Hmmm, ya.... Economic prosperity, a return of military strength, and the bringing down of our cold war enemy.

I can see how Ronald Reagan really screwed things up, made us an Arctic region covered with ice.

Don't want to return to those days. Would rather have economic and military parity with other nations, just to be more equal and fair with the world's resources. Like when Jimmy Carter was president.

well I am sure that you libs here didnt expect all of the TAX CHEATS In his administration

AND TODAY THERE IS ANOTHER ONE TO ADD TO THE LIST

ron kirk...ex mayor of dallas...was a trade point man whatever the hell that is

OWES ALMOST TEN GRAND IN BACK TAXES....

this is almost getting silly....

The wealth that we thought we had actually wasn't there. We need to change our fundamentals, yes, but it can't be super-duper drastic, or chaos will ensue.

Checks with oversight would be nice, though. Obama's fucking that up and going back on his promise of transparency.

"Hmmm, ya.... Economic prosperity, a return of military strength, and the bringing down of our cold war enemy."

Economic prosperity???? If you call 3 trillion dollars of debt prosperity they ok.

When did we not have military strength superior to any other nation????

Bringing down our cold war enemy???? Myth. CIA predicted the demise of the USSR long before Reagan sat in the WH. Chernobly and Afghanistan had far more to do with the fall of the USSR than Raygun ever did. The myth, incidentally, was concocted during the Clinton administration in an attempt to revive the gasping Republican Party. Pure political hype.

No ideas, no solutions, just simple minded talking points.

#49 | Posted by danni

Are you finally seeing the results of November 2006? Because we are all seeing the bad ideas and bad solutions coming to roost. The simple minded talking points from Obama to yourself seem to all point to Rush.

#45 - Yes, Scrumplet, the wealth wasn't there. Real wealth under Obama's plan will be created by the government after taxing the crap out of us.

Pretty soon, only those who know how to game the system will have real wealth.

When did we not have military strength superior to any other nation????

I remember Carter, himself, on the news stating that we were no longer militarily superior than Russia. Was he lying?

I heard some dem shill talk about the cia predicting the demise of the soviets too but I didnt think that it negated anything that reagan did to help them along.
AGAIN< if dems had gotten thier way the USSR might still be alive ..of course the real irony is that dems might get thier way afterall...its just that they are in the process of making us into the USSR and I dont know about you danni, but I dont want to stand in line for toilet paper.

CIA predicted the demise of the USSR long before Reagan sat in the WH.

The CIA also failed to predict the USSR's invasion of Afghanistan.

The CIA also GROSSLY over-estimated the USSR's economic prowess - they literally took the USSR's published numbers and subtracted 1%.

The CIA has gotten way more wrong than it has gotten right over the years.

Lastly, I've never read anything regarding the CIA, at least not in Legacy of Ashes that supports your claim.

Can you substantiate it?

PS - It was bad CIA intel that led to Kennedy's failure and embarassment at 'The Bay of Pigs'. It was the CIA that 'assured' president Clinton that he was hitting a chemical weapons factory when he in fact blew up an aspirin factory. It was the CIA that told Bush, unequivicably, that WMD's in Iraq was a 'slam-dunk'.

Pretty soon, only those who know how to game the system will have real wealth.

#57 | Posted by somoco at 2009

there are reports out all over the place about how people who are right around the 250,000 cut line are manipulating the system to keep themsleves well under that ARBITRARY line of so called rich.....

goor for them and I say that knowing that the obama administration is in full support of people doing whatever they can or want to avoid paying thier fair share of taxes.

"The Republicans can try to fashion a future by going back to the past. But that effort may be doomed to have no value except entertainment value."

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I guess our NEW direction is the same old slide into socalism.

Is that the CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN?

Lets realy try something new. Lets try to slide out of socalism and big government. When is the last time our federal government actualy got smaller?

Since most of you on the left do not understand basic financial analysis and why the market collapes is directly related to Obama and his policies - here is a quick brief.

Stocks are technically (there are many methods to value stocks but I am going to focus on technical analysis)(highly simplified) based on a formula of: Forecasted Earnings X Segment Multiple / # shares outstanding

Each segment (example Utility or say a Growth stock like google) has an assumed "Velocity of growth" which drives the multiple.

So ..if you have a utility your growth is not going to be great - so lets say the multiple is 8 .

If you have 1M shares outstanding and your FORECASTED per share revenue 3 years out is $2 then your stock is worth $16

So anything that may impact the FUTURE revenue of your stock impacts the share price NOW.

(you don't want to buy something now for $1 that will be worth .50 in the future)

First we had the issue with the bad loans (argue which side is responsible for that.) When it looked like Obama was going to win the market started to tank. (check the poll # and track that against the Market value). This is because his taxing policies and his view on business in general would negatively impact the FUTURE Earnings of businesses.

Then we had an attack on the US financial system with massive 500B selling of money market funds which shook the financial system even further and had Bush do the TARP. This impacted the FUTURE potential earnings as the lack of liquidity impacted a businesses ability to borrow funds.

The real impact hit with Stimulas package - which had a massive increase in taxes (cut a little now - let the Bush tax cuts expire which will increase EVERYONES taxes and then add to the 250K guys which are mostly small businesses which will further erode the economy)

So the FUTURE earning are now bleak - and the banks are selling their assets to cover both the bad loans AND the money market sell off.

Stock prices fall - assets are worth less - sell more to gain cash on hand - forcing stock prices to fall - add to that Obama bad mouthing the economy so individual investors bail out - stock prices fall - Future earnings impacted - Stock prices fall.

A "perfect storm" of outside influence (foriegn selling of the money markets (where is THAT investigation)) shooting ourselfs in the foot (lets let all the poor people borrow over their heads - thanks Barney) and horrible fiscal policy for the future (thanks Obama)

As long as we have figureheads (especially from the other side) to blame, it absolves us as individuals from any blame and thereby any responsibility.

"Since most of you on the left do not understand basic financial analysis and why the market collapes is directly related to Obama and his policies"

"Since most of you on the right do not understand basic financial analysis and why the market collapes is directly related to Bush43 and his policies"

Hans

"I remember Carter, himself, on the news stating that we were no longer militarily superior than Russia."

Link?

Hans

As long as we have figureheads (especially from the other side) to blame, it absolves us as individuals from any blame and thereby any responsibility.

Those figureheads would rather blame radio personalities than their own incompetent associates. They call Bush an idiot for eight years, then give him billions of dollars without any oversight or evidence it is going to the right entities. When are they going to take responsibility for their actions the last 25 months?

I remember Carter, himself, on the news stating that we were no longer militarily superior than Russia."

Link?

Hans

#66 | Posted by Hans at 2009

I dont suppose that JUST MAYBE...the possibility exists that he actually remembers carter saying this..

oh sure........make a AGE DISCRIMNIATION CHARGE.

"I dont suppose that JUST MAYBE...the possibility exists that he actually remembers carter saying this.."

Then a link should be easy to obtain.

there was a left wing media cover up of the event.

talk about bold

AND HOLY SHIT

WAS I PISSED OFF

did anyone else see the coverage of the hearing where GAITHNER actually said out LOUD that he was going to make sure that TAX DODGERS were rounded up and even the international dodgers, like UBS I Guess

I cant believe the gALL In him saying that out loud

and he was TALKING TO CHARLEY RANGEL WHILE SAYING IT...
UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE....

"there are reports out all over the place about how people who are right around the 250,000 cut line are manipulating the system to keep themsleves well under that ARBITRARY line of so called rich....."

Thank you BLT2....you inadverently give a lesson in how higher taxes on the rich can actually have the effect of expanding business and increasing employment.....what do you think "manipulating the system" means???? It means, instead of taking out 250,000+ in profits owners will consider hiring more workers, giving raises, expanding operations so that they will increase their business expense and thereby reduce their net profit that they will be paying taxes on. It was ALWAYS that way before tax cuts made reinvesting into their own businesses seem less advantageous by lowering the taxes and thus the incentive. Thanks for mentioning it even if you didn't have a clue about what you were talking about.

"I guess our NEW direction is the same old slide into socalism."

I have noticed that none of the people I know who are left-of-center (or even center) talk about incoming "socialism". Probably because they understand what "socialism" actually is. I have become convinced that until this group starts tossing around that concept, it isn't happening.

"There are many more who are going to take it harder and quicker than I am.

#36 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-03-04 08:25 AM"

Gross, dude!

How goes it, Monte? Keeping busy?

Thanks for mentioning it even if you didn't have a clue about what you were talking about.

#72 | Posted by danni at 2009-03-04 12:33 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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I KNEW exactly what I was talking about.
I have been a long time supporter of major irs reform whether it takes the form of flat tax or something other than that.
I dont like richer people being able to manipulate it anymore than you do.....

Everything's good, Wis, thanks for asking. I was over-busy for a while, but now have a perfect amount of work - enough to keep busy, but not feel overwhelmed. I think I worked an average of 80-90 hours/week in January.

I'm also benefiting from my lifestyle of living comfortably within my means. I feel bad for people who are laid off, hurting, etc., but I'm not having any problems like that. Lil' Joe used to like to make fun of the fact that I drive a VW Passat and not a BMW or something, but that approach works for me.

You good? (I mean, I know you must be crying crocodile tears about Favre being put out to pasture, but how is everything else?)

Monte,

Never apologizing for driving a Passat (not that's what you were doing).

I view the Passat much the same way I view the Cadillac CTS. It doesn't conform to the 'established parameters'. It offers 5-series space and comfort and A-4 pricing; if that makes sense.

*You have to know your cars in order to resond*

"I have been a long time supporter of major irs reform whether it takes the form of flat tax or something other than that."

Except that a Flat TAx would completely eliminate the incentive by offering wealthy people a much lower tax rate and the rest of us a much higher tax rate. Quite simply the progressive income tax serves more purpose than just to give poor and middle classes a lower tax rate, it "progressively" incentivizes investment into things that qualify as business expenses.

Bringing down our cold war enemy???? Myth. CIA predicted the demise of the USSR long before Reagan sat in the WH. Chernobly and Afghanistan had far more to do with the fall of the USSR than Raygun ever did. The myth, incidentally, was concocted during the Clinton administration in an attempt to revive the gasping Republican Party. Pure political hype.

Now, here you go again! Your naivete and simplemindedness are stunning! CIA also predicted WMD, End of the World, etc. Only a liberal would think that environmental event would have anything to do with the demise of Evil Empire. Vast expanses are contaminated behind the Ural Mountains and till today off limits. And yes, you're right, Reagan (Raygun as your kind affectionately called him) was (is) truly hated by the left. His willingness to do what is right at the time was fundamental in that demise.

In the final analysis-the incoherent rambling, hate and revisionism are the only things left after leftists tenure of power grab and misery....and unfortunately: here we go again!

Agreed, Jeff. And this one has been great to me. Nothing but oil changes. But it is getting a little long in the tooth now, with 70k+ miles.

I'm looking at the G37 next, or maybe a big change to the Subaru diesels that are on the way.

After B.O. leads us into a depression, I don't think the American Public will have a big problem returning to the past.

#2 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-03-03 09:22 AM

Sorry Dipshit. Your "hero" the Great Duuuuuuuhbya got us into this mess.

Obama hasn't been in office for what two months, and it's his fault?

Untuck your "manhood" and admit as much.

STFU, and go find Rob.