Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, March 03, 2009

Washington has told Moscow that Russian help in resolving Iran's nuclear program would make its missile shield plans for Europe unnecessary, a Russian daily said on Monday, citing White House sources.

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Add Appeaser to Obama's resume.

This guy has to go.

So we're relying on unattributed Russian media sources now?

Sweet.

"This guy has to go."

Oh, that will happen.

At a minimum, on January 20, 2013.

Most likely on January 20, 2017.

Grab your ankles.

Hans

I do not belive this, but I would not doubt this PUSSY would do this.

Why not, they already have the blueprints for "Marine One". What's next commrade?

Add Appeaser to Obama's resume.

This guy has to go.

#1 | Posted by MURPHY

Says the woman who's hero, George W Bush, said of Putin:

"I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy and we had a very good dialogue.

"I was able to get a sense of his soul." (barely controllable snickering in my house)

Saturday, 16 June, 2001, 23:09 GMT 00:09 UK

Bush and Putin: Best of friends:

news.bbc.co.uk

Yes AU--and Bush was ridiculous to say or even think that about Putin.

Now Obama is worse than Bush--give the keys over to Russia to handle Iran--HAHA!

He is an idiot.

And Hans--Grab your own ankles jerk!

#6 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Bush was an IDIOT, so accordng to the libs this means that it is ok if BHO is an IDIOT?

WAKE UP...

"Mommy, Billy did it too".....

Grow up child.

Maybe he is taking a chapter out of Neville Chamberlin's book?

Chamberlain is best known for appeasement foreign policy as will BHO.

"Maybe he is taking a chapter out of Neville Chamberlin's book?"

Don't you mean the cut-and-run chapter from Ronald Reagan: Beirut, October 23, 1983.

Hans

Engaging Russia's help vis a vis Iran is a far cry from looking into the now dictator of Russia's eyes/soul as Bush did and judge him a trustworthy man, isn't it?

#13 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Wake up child. WHat the heck does what Bush did have to do with what BHO is doing now?

Justifying one person stupidy with anothers is just stupid.

"MOmmy, Billy did it too"

jeezzzzz you people dont get it.

"Mom, Charlie killed all those people, why are you mad at me"?

You already posted a version of the same ridiculous rant

#12 | Posted by Hans

NO

Nice try at deflection.

Or Clinton's refusal to nab OBL?

Are you a professional blogger? You can't possibly have a real fucking job as stupid as you are. Or do you work for MW at BK, like most of the folks here?

"Or Clinton's refusal to nab OBL?"

The perps responsible for the 1993 WTC attack are rotting in jail.

Where's bin Laden?

Hans

Thought you might get a kick out of this:

Boneless Chicken Ranch

Hey chicken-Chamberlin helped win WW2. If he had gone to war with Germany, the British military was too weak to win.

His "appeasement has seldom been discussed in this light, and most of his critics have misrepresented his position. The urgent desire to negotiate with Hitler and Mussolini did not, in Chamberlain's case, spring from pacifism. He strongly supported sanctions against Mussolini's invasion of Ethiopia in 1935 and was a vocal supporter of rearmament after 1934. Nor was he ignorant of the menace of the dictators. Few people linked the need for rearmament more strongly with the ambitions of Germany. But the crucial characteristic of Chamberlain's support of rearmament lay in his vision of such rearmament as a support for negotiations that would institute a general peace. Chamberlain believed that a lasting peace would be possible when British rearmament had helped demonstrate to the dictators that the alternatives to negotiation were unthinkable.

Now Obama is worse than Bush--give the keys over to Russia to handle Iran--HAHA!

He is an idiot.

#7 | Posted by MURPHY

Maybe you could get back to us, you silly thing, when you have a source other than the always reliable and honest Russian news medial.

Or is your hatred of the President of the United States so intense that it just doesn't matter how ridiculous the source.

Clinton took 67 Cruise Missile shots at Bin Laden. He had to back off when the GOP began squawking that he was 'wagging the dog' and insisted he desist.

Bush took ZERO shots in the 8 months he was President before 9/11, and even ordered the destroyers and subs within striking range out of range.

I guess that was just a big "Oops" from Chamberlain when he returned from Europe with the useless piece of paper exclaiming that Hilter would not attack because he said so??

Well San--maybe we will have to see if Obama or Rahm deny the existence of the letter that is the subject of this story...

Hmmmm...

#21 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

horse manure there AU..

MURPHY

You obviously don't know the 'shield' is for advance warning for Iranian missles.

The best preventative measure that could be taken is for Iran to not HAVE a nuclear missile.

I forgot the GOP HATES anything but unilateral action.

Anything that advances Nuclear disarmament by the US and Russia would be a huge asset to everybody in the world, on several levels.

Except Murphy, of course, who knows an idiot when she sees one.

MURPHY

The horse manure is your ignorance. Clinton took a lot of shots - in fact, more than the 67 I'm referencing. Bush took ZERO shots at Bin Laden.

Doesn't your computer have The Googles? Mine does.

Well San--maybe we will have to see if Obama or Rahm deny the existence of the letter that is the subject of this story...

Hmmmm...

#23 | Posted by MURPHY

Yes, I'm sure they respond to every unattributed story in the foreign media on a regular basis.

But carry on - you've pretty much completely exposed your hand by posting something like this. We've long suspected you really didn't care whether a story was accurate or honest, as long as it was anti-Obama. Thanks for the confirmation.

Cohen criticizes 'wag the dog' characterization
Former defense secretary testifies before 9/11 panel

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Defense Secretary William Cohen on Tuesday defended President Clinton's use of the military to protect national security interests, returning to a sharp GOP-led criticism of Clinton at a time when he was embroiled in the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

At that time, some GOP lawmakers used the phrase "wag the dog" to describe Clinton's military actions, saying he was using conflicts abroad to deflect attention from the domestic scandal. A movie of the same name came out in 1997, and the plot involves a presidential administration that launches a war as a political ploy.

Testifying before the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States, Cohen said the U.S. military was prepared to kill or capture al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden whenever there was "actionable intelligence."

But he also said trying to capture bin Laden and his associates was like "mercury on a mirror."

Clinton came under intense criticism in 1998 by the GOP after he launched an attack on suspected terrorist targets in Afghanistan and Sudan. Intelligence indicated bin Laden and his top associates were meeting at a training camp when U.S. missiles were fired at it, just weeks after al Qaeda terrorists bombed U.S. embassies in Tanzania and Kenya.

www.cnn.com

MURPHY

Less time writing and more time reading would serve you well ...

Go thank the media and go thank Druge yourself!

www.drudgereport.com

"At that time, some GOP lawmakers used the phrase "wag the dog" to describe Clinton's military actions, saying he was using conflicts abroad to deflect attention from the domestic scandal."

Duh, even though he was trying to kill Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.

Your error AU is stating Bush never took a shot at UBL.

And Clinton had UBL captured and he wouldn't take him.

And his missle shot was a tent with a camel.

I guess it's the thought that counts.

Yeah and Clinton wagged the dog over Boznia too--shelling that place for 70 days.

And there is peace in Bosnia without a single loss of American life. You didn't read they had genocide going on there, but no longer do after the actions of the NATO effort? (imagine not 'going it alone'!!)

Man, you should REALLY get out more, MURPHY

Your error AU is stating Bush never took a shot at UBL.

I said BEFORE 9/11.

Prove me wrong. Come on girlfriend!!

Might it have something to do with the kissy faced relationship between the Bush's and Bin Laden's? Just might.

And Clinton had UBL captured and he wouldn't take him.

And his missle shot was a tent with a camel.

I guess it's the thought that counts.

Posted by MURPHY

Excuse me, but your Rush is showing...

Limbaugh joined Hannity in falsely accusing Clinton of rejecting bin Laden offer:

LIMBAUGH: [Former President Bill] Clinton was offered [Osama] bin Laden two or three times, turned him down. Turned down Sudan. Sudan offered it. So Clinton wasn't serious about it [terrorism].

As Media Matters for America has noted, the false claim originated in an August 11, 2002, article on the right-wing news website NewsMax.com that blared the headline "Clinton Admits: I Nixed Bin Laden Extradition Offer," distorting a speech Clinton made in 2002. While he did acknowledge in a July 8 interview with CNN chief international correspondent Christiane Amanpour that he mistakenly implied that the United States was offered bin Laden in that 2002 speech, at no point did Clinton say that Sudan offered bin Laden to the United States in the speech. http://mediamatters.org/items/ 200408120011

and...

Let's start with what everyone agrees on: In April 1996, Osama bin Laden was an official guest of the radical Islamic government of Sudan a government that had been implicated in the attacks on the World Trade Center in 1993. By 1996, with the international community treating Sudan as a pariah, the Sudanese government attempted to patch its relations with the United States. At a secret meeting in a Rosslyn, Va., hotel, the Sudanese minister of state for defense, Maj. Gen. Elfatih Erwa, met with CIA operatives, where, among other things, they discussed Osama bin Laden.

It is here that things get murky. Erwa claims that he offered to hand bin Laden over to the United States. Key American players President Bill Clinton, then-National Security Adviser Sandy Berger and Director of Counterterrorism Richard Clarke among them have testified there were no "credible offers" to hand over bin Laden. The 9/11 Commission found "no credible evidence" that Erwa had ever made such an offer. www.factcheck.org

AU,

I can't believe you are actually trying to have a conversation with the demented altered ego of Jeff J.

Nothing will square up with this conversation which fits the pattern of both.

Bush Slow on Bin Laden Drones Before 9/11

(CNN) - Prowling the skies over Afghanistan in the months before President Bush took office, unmanned and unarmed Predator drones proved to be one of America's major successes in its frustrating hunt for Osama bin Laden.

But the promising aircraft remained grounded under the new administration until after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, say current and former U.S. officials who describe a paralyzing internal debate over finances, arming the drones with deadly missiles and concern over who would take the blame if something went wrong.

As late as a week before the suicide attacks against New York and Washington, senior administration officials meeting at the White House had not yet resolved questions about plans to equip each Predator with as many as two Hellfire missiles to kill bin Laden, these officials told The Associated Press.

Why are you bringing up Clinton anyway? He did the best he could with a pre 9/11 mentality.

This is about Obama and his appeasement offer to Russia.

This is about Obama and his appeasement offer to Russia.

#39 | Posted by MURPHY

What appeasement offer?

MURPHY ... meet the hole you're digging getting deeper

We had Bin Laden surrounded in Tora Bora after 9/11 too, but the Bush WH just couldn't see going after him and refused the Army Rangers and other assets the CIA was desperately begging for.

FACT !!

Engaging other countries (as we've done for centuries now) is somehow 'appeasement' after the unilateralism of the Bush years, eh MURPHY?

I'm done discussing complicated issues with airheads.

Your error AU is stating Bush never took a shot at UBL.

#32 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-03-02 08:52 PM | Reply | Flag

Yeah--he took a shot---and fouled it up like he did everything else.

Bush ws also flying Osamas relatives out of the country the day after 911---no one else in the country was flying, not even US Senators, but Bush saw to it that Osamas relatives had first class treatment as he whisked them to the destination of their wishes. All at tax payer expense of course---couldn't have those Arabs paying for anything.

You need to get your own country---you obviously don't know anytihng about America---just like Bush---you need to have scum like him for your President in order for you to be happy. He's simply not an American---the best that could be said for Bush is that he is an American Traitor. Bush ruins the country, and you blame the guy in office for a month. You stupidity and partisanship is sickening. Why do you stay in a country you are sure will fail. Start your own country. Quit tearing down America with every post. If you don't love America---GTFO--we don't need you. We'll pay the Chinese back without your help. We'll clean up Bushs mess and restore America to its rightful place as a world leader. We'll make America #1 in Health Care, while you are satisfied with #38. You and the 57 million just like you should start your own country---and STFU about this country since your hatred for America is obvious to anyone who has ever read one of your posts.

BB needs to read the 9/11 Report for who was flying out of the country.

And AU missed what happened with Tora Bora. Yes they -the folks on the ground called a truce for UBL to surrender--didn't work.

Would we still have gotten him? Maybe.

And San doesn't recognize appeasement of throwing the Poles under the bus and the Chechs in exchange for the Russians to somehow talk Iran out of making a nuke.

The systems that were going into these countries were NOT a threat to Russia--except that they couldn't bully them around with their gas.

And the Russians are the ones giving the technology to Iran--by some accounts.

So how do you feel--safe?

And San doesn't recognize appeasement of throwing the Poles under the bus and the Chechs in exchange for the Russians to somehow talk Iran out of making a nuke.

#44 | Posted by MURPHY

When did that happen?

And AU missed what happened with Tora Bora. Yes they -the folks on the ground called a truce for UBL to surrender--didn't work.

#44 | Posted by MURPHY

Close, but no ceegar.

After all the work our forces did to get OBL cornered, Bush decided to hold them back and let the Afghanis handle it. They blew it and let him escape.

I agree they blew it--did you read my post?

And did you read the article? Click the link.

And did you read the article? Click the link.

#47 | Posted by MURPHY

Yes, I read the article, as indicated by my questioning of why you would be posting some unattributed story from the Russian media. I mean, come on Murphy.

Not to burst your bubble San--

www.drudgereport.com

If the letter is false then Obama will say so--transparency and all that mallarky.

Not to burst your bubble San--

www.drudgereport.com

If the letter is false then Obama will say so--transparency and all that mallarky.

Posted by MURPHY

What the hell is the matter with you girl? That story links to the SAME article from the Russian media.

Weak.

BB needs to read the 9/11 Report for who was flying out of the country.

#44 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-03-02 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag

You need to post a link and quit talking out your ass. Here is how it is done.

Bush Gives Bin Ladens Royalty Treatment After 911

Take your traitorous hero and GTFO of this country you and he hate so much.

ooohh! da bOoB and his, "You hate America" retort again! LOL

It gets tiresome, bOoB. You know, a lot of people write a lot of things on this blog, but you seldom see the word 'hate'. But you use it enough for everyone several times over, so it doesn't matter.

BTW, bOoB -- you are suggesting that Murphy hates America simply because she suggested you read the 9/11 report? IOW, you think that people who read
reports from places other than conspiracy.com hate America and should "GTFO out of this country"

It figures.

Millions of us 'hated America' according to the right wingers who were all gung ho to go to war with Iraq, we 'hated the troops' even though those of us who knew going to war with Iraq was a horrible idea and wanted to keep them out of harms way rather than getting bogged down in a multi trillion dollar "quagmire" as Cheney himself said in 1994 would happen if we invaded Iraq.

Turns out we were the ones who loved our county enough to not want it dragged into a unilateral war with no end for the most questionable reasons there were. Turns out we were the ones who love the Constitution, the American Way, and our military enough to not want thousands of families to grieve without end over losses that need never have occured.

Some people have great memories - just incredibly, audaciously, ridiculously short.

Millions of us 'hated America' according to the right wingers who were all gung ho to go to war with Iraq, we 'hated the troops' even though those of us who knew going to war with Iraq was a horrible idea and wanted to keep them out of harms way rather than getting bogged down in a multi trillion dollar "quagmire" as Cheney himself said in 1994 would happen if we invaded Iraq.

Yep, I heard that too. But until I met da bOoB, I never heard any tell anyone else they hated their country simply because they suggested that that person read a report. (bOoB's #51)

Big difference, IMO, but maybe not.

I read the 9/11 Commission report long ago. Hopefully I've ameliorated hate to a manageable size from the right wingers as a result.

LOL

I say Murphy hates America because she hates where America is going---don't like it---GTFO. That has been the right wing mantra for decades. About time they took a bit of their own philosophy.

America has been torn down from the heights of greatness in the last eight years by a traitorous President. I fault Obama for not having Bush and Cheny thrown in jail on treason charges, and having a new 911 investigation with a panel that would really like to find out WTF happened, and interview all witnesses, even if it takes 20 years. That would give credibility back to government. Maybe get a panel that doesn't come to the conclusion that smoky kerosene fires and urning oiffice funiture will melt steel. Maybe even show us the video of the plane that hit the Pentagon, and throw Ted Olsons lying ass in jail for lying about that phone call he said he received from his dead if on the Pentagon plane.

But Obama has his plate full trying to put America back together after the bin Ladens ran the country for 8 years-errr Bush ran the country--yeah right.

I read the 9/11 Commission report long ago.

Well, you must hate America, too. LOL

If MURPHY loved America she'd support the President until he gives her VERY good reason not to, but she's too much of a shill.

I gave Bush 43 every benefit of the doubt and respect until he lost my faith in his abilities to govern and my respect over a plethora of moves that left us weaker as a nation.

I say Murphy hates America because she hates where America is going---don't like it---GTFO.

You know, bOoB, it is you who is full of hate. I'm not going to be as melodramatic as you and say, "You hate America", because I don't think you do. But there no doubt at all that you hate the freedoms of thought and diversity that she was founded on. Almost daily you are here accusing people of hating America when they voice opinions different than yours.

No, bOoB -- you are the hateful one. I also think you are a coward: Scared to death of hearing something different than what you think Thomas Jefferson would despise your way of thinking.

Deny it if you want, but your posts scream the sentiments I just posted.

If you hate other people expressing their differing views so much, it is you who should get the fuck out because America and our Constitution allow such free thinking whether you like it or not.

GOAT

I hate America so much I also just read the Federalist Papers and memorized The Gettysburg Address again. My next move at hating America is reading a book with great reviews on the Founding Fathers called "FOUNDING FATHERS: THE REVOLUTIONARY GENERATION".

If MURPHY loved America ...

I think it's more fair to let Murphy decide whether she loves America or not instead of you or me or bOoB setting the guidelines for what it takes and means to love America.

Ya, OK GOAT

In the meantime we'll just observe her daily doses of hoping Obama fails and ridiculous assertions. If the President fails, America loses. Guess they don't teach that in her neck of the woods.

PS

I'm far more upset by the Titans letting Albert Hainsworth go than politics right now! LOL

Liberals are so predictable:)

maybe the Russians are starting to believe the missles are for Iran not them. Iran's biggest friend is Russia.

The communists said they would "bury" America. That America would be defeated without firing a shot.

The big question is, after pondering "globalism" is this not communism by a different name?

If they accomplish this without firing a shot, is financial collapse the bullet?

If so, would this not make the communists declaration a very real possibility?

We already do business with communist countries as if they are not an enemy. China is still very much communist.

BTW, please forgive my appalling grammar.

So how do you feel--safe?

#44 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-03-02 09:27 PM

Why yes I do, Chicken "The Sky Is Falling!" McKankles.

So we're relying on unattributed Russian media sources now?

Sweet.

#2 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

but hasnt putin..who really runs the place apparently...said they would not haggle with us over anything.
and since russia is more into capitalism than we are, maybe we should listen to him more than obama.

but anyway.......if it sounds real nice and warm and fuzzy for barry to make some deal with the russkies, hey why not
as long as we all FEEL GOOD about it.

and memorized The Gettysburg Address again.

#61 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2009-03-02 11:11 PM | Reply

Just when I think making fun of you is getting old...

SA Here you go...

"Obama Offered Deal to Russia in Secret Letter"
www.nytimes.com

Obama is getting schooled...

Obamateur Hour..

"This is not productive," said Russian President Dmitry Medvedev on Tuesday, talking about US President Barack Obama's secret proposition to halt the US missile shield programme in Europe in exchange for help on the Iran nuclear issue.
www.france24.com

Obama is spinning the letter and the quid pro quo.

Calling it something else does not detract from the end means of the offer--

Russia take care of Iran (puke barf vomit)

And the US will not put in the missle defense and or radar in Poland or the Chech Republic.

Like Russia says --just take away the missle defense and you (US) worry about Iran.

So they are not on board and Obama looks like the rookie he is.

And Russia is not going to help with Iran--

So does Obama withdraw the defense systems to our allies? Or does he try to continue to spin the letter that now needs clarification?

Bob--sometimes you are beyond being a putz..

From your own link--

Former White House counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke described the Saudi exodus in an interview for the current issue of Vanity Fair on newsstands today. Clarke, who left the White House in February, lends confirmation to reports of the evacuation which first surfaced in September 2001, but have been dispelled as rumor and urban legend.

Citing Clarke, the magazine reports that within a week of the hijackings private planes picked up individuals from 10 cities, including Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Houston and Boston. Aviation officials complained the flights took place before the government had lifted flight restrictions for the general public.

"We were in the midst of the worst terrorist act in history and here we were seeing an evacuation of the bin Ladens. ... I wanted to go the highest levels in Washington," Tom Kinton, director of aviation at Boston's Logan International Airport, told the magazine. Kinton said it was clear the operation had the blessings of federal authorities.

Once the flight ban was lifted, two jumbo jets transported the Saudis out of the country. The Boston Globe reported at the time that two flights bound for Saudi Arabia with members of the bin Laden clan on board left Logan on Sept. 18 and 19. Other reports put the departure date at Sept. 14.

Clarke said the Saudis feared they "would be targeted for retribution" by Americans after the hijackings. According to the Globe, a Saudi diplomat said the relatives of bin Laden had been advised by both the Saudi government and the Federal Bureau of Investigation to return to Saudi Arabia at least temporarily for their own safety.

Bin Laden is said to be estranged from his family.

----

They didn't get out of here until the flight restrictions were lifted--NO SPECIAL TREATMENT.

And all your rant and bs is really tiring about hating America.

Obama's ways have been tried before and failed.

He is doing the same failed policies and America will fail as a result of his failed policies.

Liberals hated the over spending of the Bush administration but hail it as the best thing since sliced bread under Obama.

Obama is not going to create jack shit--except for bigger gov't and a 13 trillion in debt.

But the Russkis disclosed the "secret" letter which somehow reinforces the idea that foreign affairs cannot be handeled with "transparency," something you'd need to be as clueless as a lefty to accept.

The Russkis dissed Obama by exposing him as engaging in "diplomatic secrecy," and demonstrating a lack of commitment to our Eastern European and faithful allies. It may be that Iran needs to be blasted out of the water with their air force and air defenses obliterated, and special forces detachments destroying and/or seizing their nuclear facilities.

Apparently foreigners are not striving to kiss the hem of Obama's garments. But then, Jesus Christ was reviled by many also, and from the comments on lefty threads, apparently still is, or anyway many of the followers of Christianity are reviled.

handled

#57 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-03-02 11:02 PM

I say Murphy hates America because she hates where America is going---don't like it---GTFO. That has been the right wing mantra for decades. About time they took a bit of their own philosophy.

I can feel the love. Bob. You must be a lefty.
America has been torn down from the heights of greatness in the last eight years by a traitorous President. I fault Obama for not having Bush and Cheny thrown in jail on treason charges, and having a new 911 investigation with a panel that would really like to find out WTF happened, and interview all witnesses, even if it takes 20 years. That would give credibility back to government. Maybe get a panel that doesn't come to the conclusion that smoky kerosene fires and urning oiffice funiture will melt steel. Maybe even show us the video of the plane that hit the Pentagon, and throw Ted Olsons lying ass in jail for lying about that phone call he said he received from his dead if on the Pentagon plane.

But Obama has his plate full trying to put America back together after the bin Ladens ran the country for 8 years-errr Bush ran the country--yeah right.


Bob, have you ever been "certified sane?" I met a guy once, who told me that he was better off emotionally and mentally than any one else, and he could prove it because he'd been released from a mental hospital and that was a certification of his excellent mental health. But alas, Bob, he had it wrong. His release was only based on a belief that he no longer was a threat to the well-being of himself and others. So don't get carried away with the idea that you're sane now.

But I like you Bob. You're a source of a look at a bizarre world for which you are the interlocutor. Thank your for enabling us to glance inside of it. I suppose that you are among noted people such as Alduous Huxley, who introduced us to the world of perception enabled by psychedelics in his 1954 book, "The Doors of Perception." en.wikipedia.org

Thank you for the insights that you provide into the world as you see it, Bob. Your vision is certainly not circumscribed by the bounds of propriety nor by an acceptance of the parameters of social grace. Is your hatred of Bush and Cheney based on your internalization of them as symbols of father figures, based on the one whom you reviled as a youth when you were hopelessly subjected by him and to his whims. Boy, oh boy, now you don't even need the temerity to condemn your father, Bob. You can do it through these surrogates. You might want to read Freud's monograph, "Totem and Taboo" reciting the incestuous longings involved in that conflict. Did you hear about the song writer, who authored the lament, "You never was my woman," referring to his mother, of course. But that's a secret that you and I will share, Bob.

Murphy

Don't like it? GTFO. Need directions?

So just what is the appeasement here? The missle shield is supposed to stop a rougue state launch aimed at Europe. The Russians got upset because we were messing in thier former back yard.

The "appeasement" began to take place at the end of the Bush admin when he started backing off placing the missiles. The Russians in turn stopped the placing missiles in Kaliningrad.

If the Euros want a defense against Iran (which they really don't think they need) then let them pay for it. We need Russian help in getting the Iranians to drop their nuke plans. Without it, there is not much chance of that happening, an dif they don't it means another expensive war to inflate the deficit even further and lots more casualties.

Hmmmm, work with the Russians to make a deal that eventually saves lives and money, or spend another fortune and thousands of lives. Given a choice in this case, I'll take working out a deal with the Russians.

Putin is a shit bag, but sometimes you have to deal with them to get the other stuff that you want. I suppose we can go to war with everybody on the planet, that would make the neocons happy (and keep me employed). I just hope all the right wingers here that have not previously served sign up.

#79 | Posted by deadarmadillo

Spot-on.

Russia and iran seem to be holding all the aces and obama has the lets talk card, they will talk to us till were blue in the face and the outcome will be zip.

Don't you mean the cut-and-run chapter from Ronald Reagan: Beirut, October 23, 1983.

#12 | Posted by Hans

Tell us what you would have done ace.

Now Obama is worse than Bush--give the keys over to Russia to handle Iran--HAHA!

He is an idiot.

#7 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-03-02 08:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Guve the keys over to Russia"?

Who do you think is friendly with Iran due to the need to keep oil prices high? Russia.

If they're closer to Iran than we are, then it's a good idea to try and get Russia to pressure them.

You clowns can whine "appeasement" all you want all while telling me how he last 8 years of your 'Cheerleader-in-Chiefs' policies did ANYTHING to advance the Iran situstion.

C'mon, I'm waiting to here how well Bush did with Iran. Let's hear it.

"Washington has told Moscow that Russian help in resolving Iran's nuclear program would make its missile shield plans for Europe unnecessary."

I love it when a non-sequitur opens an article. Usually you have to wait until the last paragraph.

So . . . Moscow helps Iran build a nuclear program, and in exchange for getting them to agree to stop, we offer them an undefended Europe.

Stupid. It does suit me, though. If the Europeans want a defense shield, they should pay for it, not I. And if they don't believe their civilization is worth defending, who am I to argue with them?

How true RiR #84....

As for BB--you are the one who hates 1.5 million people or more of this country--you get the hell out--and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

Obama is an amatuer--and his diss off of Brown today is another example.

He wants to talk about the "Global New Deal" with UK.

Like what the heck does this mean?

So the US has to pay for the global world now? It appears they are thinking of foregoing our US constitution and our sovereignty for the global new deal.

Socialism for the world--we would be beholden to the EU and every other country.


Report: Obama Would Drop Missile Shield

The 'Missile Shield' is ineffective and a scandalous waste of taxpayer dollars. It would be cheaper just to give conservatives security blankets for them to hide under.

It would be cheaper just to give conservatives security blankets for them to hide under.

Don't forget the duct tape.

Don't forget the plastic too...

whiffle waffler!

He will be signing over our mineral rights next.

No --Obama will just BK the coal industry--cap and trade you know.

Wait for the G2 summit next month with the "Global New Deal" plans.

The UN will be running ALL the banks--so no matter where you are --you are screwed by the banks.

Can't have people moving their money to Ireland from the UK or other EU countries.

They all must suck.


Add Appeaser to Obama's resume.

This guy has to go.

#1 | Posted by MURPHY


What an ignorant Hausfrau.

Is ALL negotiation "appeasement"? Wouldn't it be a GOOD thing if we and the Russians could reach a verifiable agreement to prevent Iran from getting nukes, WITHOUT needing to spend billions on unproven technology which would continue to DIVIDE us from the Russians?

You are truly a blind tool.

The defense shield in Europe is more military-industrial complex spending. The Euros had to be arm twisted into it, and as I recall they wanted to charge us rent. The system may be effective against a few missiles (which is all that it is designed) but does nothing to defend Europe from the thousands of warheads the Russians have.

If they feel they need security against Iran. Let them pay for it. The best course is to keep the Iranians from getting nukes in the first place. The Russians are essential to that.

of course we do not need the missle shield cause our enemies have told us so
jasman


"This guy has to go."

Oh, that will happen.

At a minimum, on January 20, 2013.

Most likely on January 20, 2017.

Grab your ankles.

Hans

#3 | Posted by Hans

Holy shit Hans!

you don't pay taxes?

When the rich leave the US to avoid paying for shit we don't need, Obama will come to YOU!

So grab your ankles.

I would love to se your face when that happens.

I'll be in a foreign country watching the chaos in America on CNN.

The conservatives hate this idea of compromise, so it must be a good thing.

dumb ass obama strikes again and his being a dumb ass is not excused because bush was also a dumb ass it just means Americans have to put up with a dumb ass president

#92 | Posted by midiman

What negotiation is that?

The systems are for protection against Iran.

Obama blinked and lost--

Russia turns down his offer to coax Iran into not making it's nukes--hell they have been helping Iran.

And now that Russia won't lift any finger--Obama will likely still cancel the program.

Throwing allies under the bus.

smurphette you're a idiot. russia supplies iran with nuk fuel, they also take back the spent rods to russia. all in an effort to prevent iran from enriching their own spent fuel for a nuk bomb. this is a agreement that the US was in on and approved. oh and this agreement was made a year or so ago.
but you might was well bitch about it now.

CJ--

If that were true then why would Obama send a letter to Russia to deal with Iran and their nukes in exchange for nixing the missile systems in Poland and the Chech Republic.?

CJ--

If that were true then why would Obama send a letter to Russia to deal with Iran and their nukes in exchange for nixing the missile systems in Poland and the Chech Republic.?

#101 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-03-04 01:44 PM

Provide a link to the letter McKankles.

yes let's see a link to the letter smurphette, because you spew as if you have first hand knowledge.

also it's czech republic not chech.

and you say "if that were" true"?!? really, so you think that didn't happen?

.. good move, honestly. Waste of funds. Mutually assured destruction is the only deterrent needed. An ineffective missile shield is stupid. The tech isn't here for it to be feasible yet, and isn't likely to be for decades.

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