The families of the soldiers will now be allowed to make the decision on whether to allow media or not.
Posted by johnny_hotsauce

Good. That's probably the best way.

Yes, it will much harder now to continue hiding the true 'cost' of America's wars.

OCU

The families of the soldiers will now be allowed to make the decision on whether to allow media or not.
Posted by johnny_hotsauce

Those who get their information from Limbaugh don't know that.

The coffin I want a photo of is Flush Rimjobs. But I am sure it won't be visible because of the bodies of DR Rtards draped over it in mourning.

Because it was a STOOPID idea to try and hide the truth. The truth shall set you free... question is can we handle it?

Gee one more thing the Rushpublicans were bitching Obama didn't change. Now will they applaud him for doing it?

I guess we'll all have to see what daddy Rush has to say about it.

Great now maybe we can get some protest marchers/harassment ass clowns at some military funerals!

And the ACLU will defend their rights to protest at such.....

Go Obama, GO!!!!!

Friggin ACLU, right Waveydavey?:

. The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida and its Pinellas County Chapter filed a federal lawsuit today on behalf of local business owners Heriberto and Lorraine Quintero, whose First Amendment rights have repeatedly been trampled on by the City of Clearwater. The ACLU of Florida seeks to prevent the city from further proceeding against the Quinteros for exercising their constitutionally protected right to free speech and political protest.

The City of Clearwater first issued notices of code violations to the bait shop owners in March of 2008, claiming that a mural of game fish and marine life that the Quinteros commissioned a local artist to paint on the exterior wall of their bait shop is not "art work," which is exempt from permitting under the City's code. The city claims that the mural is advertising "signage" for the business, although no text appears on the artwork.

"The City of Clearwater cannot be the sole arbiter of what is and what is not art. Nor can the city favor one form of speech over another. To do so is evidence of disregard for the First Amendment rights of city residents," said Maria Kayanan, ACLU of Florida Associate Legal Director.

After paying $690.00 in fines to the city in January of 2009, the Quinteros hung a banner over the mural as an act of political protest,. The banner proudly displays the text of the First Amendment above the statement: "THE SUPREME COURT REQUIRES THE GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL JUSTIFICATION FOR THE INTERFERENCE WITH THE RIGHT OF FREE SPEECH WHERE IT ATTEMPTS TO REGULATE THE CONTENT OF THE SPEECH."

The city again threatened the Quinteros ordering them to remove both the banner and the mural by Feb. 27, 2009, further violating their First Amendment rights.

"The city cannot tell the Quinteros that their First Amendment banner is unprotected speech while it simultaneously allows displays without a permit of any and all holiday decorations,'" added Kayanan.

I know its impossible to really get in that mindset, but I'm trying to think of what my decision would be if my son or daughter(s) were killed in action. Part of me thinks I would say yes so people could see that there are people really fighting and dying for them, but on the other hand I'd be worried about exploitation. Whether or not I agree with a war is irrelevant, seeing my son's or daughter's coffin on a protest sign or used in a website would make me livid.

I don't know what I'd do... praying I'm never in that situation.

#3 | Posted by BetelG

Do you listen to Rush?

#10 | Posted by GreenDad

BRAVO......... Well said.

lets not forget this was the same under Bill Clinton

Being a vet I would say snap away. The military is used to promote US policy so the outcome of that policy should be made public.

We need to be reminded that war is a failure of our politicians not our servicemen and women.

I would respect the wishes of families who do not share my position though. If they want privacy so be it, they earned it.

I am a vet also, and believe the families have the final say.

We need to be reminded that war is a failure of our politicians not our servicemen and women

#14 | Posted by Neville Chamberlin

"lets not forget this was the same under Bill Clinton"

The ban has been in place in 18 years.

That was wrong, sorry.

So, what you are saying is that FDR and Chamberlin are responible for WWII, Truman is responsible for Korea, JFK is to blame for Vietnam and Bush for Iraq?

Well who would you blame for Iraq?

Who would you blame for the others if we follow Prolix247's logic?

Great now maybe we can get some protest marchers/harassment ass clowns at some military funerals!

#7 | Posted by DavetheWave at 2009-02-26 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

You mean like that "liberal" Shirley Phelps?

Bush II's invasion of Iraq would not have been needed if Bush I would have gone in and taken out Saddam. Saddam's failure to live by the terms of his surrender in and of itself warranted the invasion in my opinion.

Liken it to a parolee refusing to abide by the terms of his parole. Saddam was on parole, pure and simple.

I think The WMD excuse was BULLSHIT.

Let me put this in another way. Let's say you have two homosexual pedophiles living next door to you, they have your children in the home, they are heavily armed, their house is booby trapped, they are completely self sufficient and refuse to abide by the terms of their parole. What do we do?

Do we send in the SWAT team knowing some of them will be killed? Or do we spend years talking to them hoping for a non-lethal outcome?

families should decide. wouldn't want my kid's photo used for propaganda if i supported the war; would if i didn't. aclu can go fuck themselves.

"Let's say you have two homosexual pedophiles living next door to you..."

I believe that's called a parish.

Hans

Do we send in the SWAT team knowing some of them will be killed? Or do we spend years talking to them hoping for a non-lethal outcome?

Like Koresh and Waco? Well, the libs would give them time to surrender, then go in. The conservatives would demand the government grant Koresh sodomy rights to all the children in town, then blame the government for Koresh killing them all.

At least, that's the way it happened in the real world.

And as far as Bush1 's war, if Bush had told the truth about the non-existant threat to saudistan posed by Saddam, or even the fake incubator story,the war would never have happened, since Bush had previously told Saddam he didn't care if Iraq invaded Kuwait.

"What would we do....?"

If we knew the attack would take one trillion dollars and kill 4,000 swat team members and empower the pedophiles next door?

"Your children in with them..."

But Saddam didn't have my children, or yours, or my neighbor's, you sophist.

"Bush II's invasion of Iraq would not have been needed if Bush I would have gone in and taken out Saddam."

Oops:

Typical, Deflection.

#20 | Posted by chickenrancher

Who would you blame?

Look at it this way---If we leave in 2010, that's seven years fighting in Iraq.

That likely means someone's son eleven-years-of-age in 2003 will die trying to take out the "pedophile', who by the way has already been dead for quite a while now.

Wars are option of last recourse. The ironies inherent in it are themselves enough to kill a man with imagination.

Liken it to a parolee refusing to abide by the terms of his parole. Saddam was on parole, pure and simple.

I think The WMD excuse was BULLSHIT.

#22 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-02-26 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yeah He was on Parole from the UN not the United States. SO tell Me what Legal moral ethical right did Dubya have for invading?? Ehhhhhhh You sad sacks on the Right don't have the answer do You bwhahahahah typical.

Larry

Nice answer.

#33 | Posted by chickenrancher

Who would you blame?

UN ??? Are you kidding me ???

UN ??? Are you kidding me ???

#35 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-02-26 08:03 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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No Sir I would never kid about the UN. Sorry to disappoint You.

Larry

What a stupid idea. Obama is only pacifying the far left with his latest move. Dead vets should not be paraded on the 6:30pm news.

Any Cindy SheBitch parent should have their head examined if they allow the press to take pictures of their dead son or daughter coming back from a war zone.

As a vet, I am appalled!

You actually believe in the UN?

#16 | Posted by chickenrancher

You owe me an answer.

since Bush had previously told Saddam he didn't care if Iraq invaded Kuwait.

Any links there Northboy?

#37 | Posted by Beachbuzz

If it was my son I would allow it. I would want my country to share my grief and acknowledge that war has consequences.

There is nothing wrong with this stance. It may offend you but that is what it is meant for. There are consequences for our politicians decision to send our children to war.

There is nothing wrong with this stance. It may offend you but that is what it is meant for.

So you think dead vets should be part of the anti-war effort?

You are sick.

If you want to protest the war go to Washington with a pitch fork and complain.

Don't show your dead son on the news. Do you think HE/SHE would want that?

We all know the costs of war without parading our dead soldiers on the news.

If it was my son I would allow it.

And I think you are full of shit if you had a son that died in the war and would allow pictures be taken.

"Do you think he/she would want that...?"

Interesting. Let's say they said yes while still living?

"And I think you are full of shit if you had a son that died in the war and would allow pictures be taken."

#42 | Posted by Beachbuzz

I am a VFW so I know the consequences. I leaned real fast the first time I found brain matter on my collar.

It is not a anti-war protest as you are suggesting it is more of an honor guard to accept my child back on american soil.

We should accept all our soldiers back with welcome arms and open hearts and grieve that a parent has lost a loved one.

I would not be showing my dead son on the news I would simply be recording the return of my son's body in a flag draped coffin.

I am sorry if you have been taught to think everything is a protest.

There is honor in how we accept our soldiers both living and dead.

We all know the costs of war without parading our dead soldiers on the news.

#43 | Posted by Beachbuzz

By we I guess you mean you have a mouse in your pocket because american's have no idea what the cost of war is unless they are directly affected.

I would be honored if my son's flag draped coffin was on the front page of my local newspaper.

My community would feel my pride and sorrow.

#45 | Posted by Hans

That is a very dignified, sober and honorific portrait there. As a military guy the first thing that came to my mind was "POP TALL."

Good men and women each and every one. I salute them for their bravery and their service and I grieve for their loved ones.

War has its consequences...

"That is a very dignified, sober and honorific portrait there. As a military guy the first thing that came to my mind was "POP TALL."

"Good men and women each and every one. I salute them for their bravery and their service and I grieve for their loved ones.

"War has its consequences..."

And the irony here is that it is the "beachbuzz"s of this world who are playing politics with this.

Most Americans feel exactly as you've posted here.

Those like "beachbuzz" want to use such sacrifice to divide America ("And I think you are full of shit if you had a son that died in the war and would allow pictures be taken.").

Yes, war has its consequences, and the American people deserve to know those consequences, without having to intrude on individuals' private time of mourning.

The picture I posted does just that, much to the chagrin of "beachbuzz" and his compatriots.

Hans

Interesting. Let's say they said yes while still living?

#44 | Posted by Zed at 2009-02-26 08:27 PM

Interseting...Let's say they said nothing!

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Hans - so a group photo is cool with you? What a fuck you have become.

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There is honor in how we accept our soldiers both living and dead.

And there is also honor in allowing grieving familys the right to grieve, ALONE!

How many of your "brothers" where brodcast on the evening news for the world to see?

I don't believe you Prolx247...every VET I ever met would be appalled at the sight of dead vets being paraded on TV for the the anti war scum to mock!

"Hans - so a group photo is cool with you? What a fuck you have become."

Says the "person" who calls a vet a liar.

Hans

You actually believe in the UN?

#38 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-02-26 08:08 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Yes I most certainly do.

Larry

And the irony here is that it is the "beachbuzz"s of this world who are playing politics with this.

Hans - when it comes to war vets, I don't "play politics".

You seem to be stirring the pot more than I ever would.

#50 | Posted by Beachbuzz

I am sorry you do not see or understand what I posted. My grandfather served, My father served and I served. We know the consequences of war.

I go to the VA here in Westwood, CA every year on veteran's day to look at all the flags left for our dead soldiers and every year the picture makes the front page. Are you against that also?

I gotta go.

No used to attempting to make a blind man see.

Peace to you Beach, I wish you opened your mind to my postings.

Can someone please explain to me why this is so important and why it was ttaken away to begin with?

Says the "person" who calls a vet a liar.

Based on his comments, I don't believe Prolix is a vet!

Prove me wrong!

"Hans - when it comes to war vets, I don't "play politics"."

Sure you do.

It is what you do.

Hans

"I am sorry you do not see or understand what I posted. My grandfather served, My father served and I served. We know the consequences of war."

According to "beach," you're a liar.

But that's part of his playing politics with the war dead while claiming he doesn't play politics with the war dead.

It is what he does.

Hans

Hans - I'll agree to disagree with you. This argument is going no where. I don't care about politics.

I'm more concerned with what is right and wrong.

Cheers!

Btw - I am not playing politics with the war dead.

YOU my friend have found that to be your new found specialty!

"I'm more concerned with what is right and wrong."

And, yet, you cavalierly call a vet a liar because you don't agree with what he posts.

Is that your "concern."

"Cheers!"

And to you, as well.

Hans

So SITP got His proverbial tits in the wringer and now is deflecting bwhahahaha Don't You just love those fucked up right wingers bwhahahahahaha God Love it.

Larry

As long as the family has the final say, I see no issue with the policy. Had the policy trumped the family's wishes, there'd be a problem.

Hans - You are a pot stirrer from WAY back and I admire your spunk!

Buzz

So SITP got His proverbial tits in the wringer and now is deflecting bwhahahaha Don't You just love those fucked up right wingers bwhahahahahaha God Love it.

English would be nice Larry!

And what do you know about my tits?

And what do you know about my tits?

Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-02-26 09:36 PM | Reply

They gotta be long cause You are always getting them caught in the proverbial wringer. Probably stretched out too.

Larry

"Anti-war scum"? Yes, I imagine there are some. Certainly, I've met "pro-war" scum by now.

War brings out the worst in people.

"Not playing politics with war dead..."

Warfare is policy pursued by other means. All modern soldiers are politicians.

Larry - you have to know I have bitten my tongue on too may jokes about you.

I choose to take the high road because I don't want to make you feel bad.

Cheers!

Buzz

I am sorry you do not see or understand what I posted. My grandfather served, My father served and I served. We know the consequences of war.

So after all that, you still think it is OKAY to photograph dead GI's?

I'm still talking to former GI's and they, as a group, are apposed to taking ANY photos of dead GI's for propaganda, which is what YOU are doing.

My grandfather served in WWII. He and his Rainbow Company liberated Dachau in the year 1945. He tells me can still smell the stench a mile away from the camp!

Do you think for a moment, he would want his picture taken on his way back to the states in a coffen???

Yes, it will much harder now to continue hiding the true 'cost' of America's wars.

OCU

#2 | Posted by oldCADuser
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Not really. I mean if it were my son, I'd say no, I don't want the press anywhere near my son's coffin and I'd sue the first reporter that posts a picture of it. All that really changed is the next of kin can make the decision, one way or another.

Lonnie

You know it's amazing. During WW2 the bodies of our fallen servicemen were pictured coming home and it was honoured. Today the populace wants them hidden. Makes one wonder if deep down that those who object to such reverence and respect that was shown to those servicemen in WW2 that they are ashamed at what and the reasons for their deaths. Makes one wonder if they know in the bottom of their hearts they died for grave(Pun Intended) mistakes. Just an educated guess.

Larry

Yeah He was on Parole from the UN not the United States. SO tell Me what Legal moral ethical right did Dubya have for invading?? Ehhhhhhh You sad sacks on the Right don't have the answer do You bwhahahahah typical.

Larry

#32 | Posted by LarryMohr
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Yeah your right but nobody ever listens to the UN. They are a bunch of limp wristed wimps without spines. The UN is a completely useless organization and currently only exists to spread the Global Warming Alarm while losing 193,000 square miles of ice.

If we act now, maybe we can move their asses to Venezuela to help Hugo Chavez maintain his dictatorship.

Lonnie

You know it's amazing. During WW2 the bodies of our fallen servicemen were pictured coming home and it was honoured. Today the populace wants them hidden. Makes one wonder if deep down that those who object to such reverence and respect that was shown to those servicemen in WW2 that they are ashamed at what and the reasons for their deaths. Makes one wonder if they know in the bottom of their hearts they died for grave(Pun Intended) mistakes. Just an educated guess.

Larry

#72 | Posted by LarryMohr
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LMFAO, Larry, you are a tool. We all know that the liberal movement happened and that liberals would use those photo's on their anti-war propaganda to advance their cause. Respect my ass, that wouldn't happen in this day and age.

Lonnie

Yeah your right but nobody ever listens to the UN. They are a bunch of limp wristed wimps without spines. The UN is a completely useless organization and currently only exists to spread the Global Warming Alarm while losing 193,000 square miles of ice.

If we act now, maybe we can move their asses to Venezuela to help Hugo Chavez maintain his dictatorship.

Lonnie

#73 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-02-27 01:51 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Funny Dubya never listened to the UN but begged and pleaded for their help when He got His proverbial tits in the wringer. Amazing how that all works out isn't it??

Larry

LMFAO, Larry, you are a tool. We all know that the liberal movement happened and that liberals would use those photo's on their anti-war propaganda to advance their cause. Respect my ass, that wouldn't happen in this day and age.

Lonnie

#74 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-02-27 01:53 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Isn't that what precisely why they supposedly went to fight and die?? For our freedoms and that includes the antiwar movement. Seems to me that those who wish to prevent their Countryfolk from excersizing the rights that are supposedly maintained by these soldiers that they really could care less about. Not so funny dat be Lonnie.

Larry

Oh and Lonnie, How many times did Dubya use the fallen soldiers to advance His cause?? I can't count the number of times Dubya declared that we just can't allow the fallen to die in vain so we must "Stay the Course" But nary a word to condemn Him from the likes of like You Lonnie for doing so. Why was it AOKAY for Dubya to do so but the AntiWar movement who were trying to STOP the needless deaths so wrong?? Answer Me THAT OK??

Larry

Isn't that what precisely why they supposedly went to fight and die?? For our freedoms and that includes the antiwar movement. Seems to me that those who wish to prevent their Countryfolk from excersizing the rights that are supposedly maintained by these soldiers that they really could care less about. Not so funny dat be Lonnie.

Larry

#76 | Posted by LarryMohr
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NO! Soldiers don't go fight wars for protesters to make anti-war propaganda out of their coffins. Screw the anti-war movement! Obviously your such a tool that YOU believe that liberal media has a right to photograph a returning coffin. According to Obama, they have a right if and only if the family says they can. I'll bet you 10 to 1 that won't happen either very often. I'll guarantee you that the military will talk to the family until they decide not to give permissions.

As for me, I'm a retired vet. The saying that I remembered the whole 20 years in the military was "While everyone else prays for war, a soldier prays for peace...they have the most to lose."

Lonnie

I see Lonnie just does not get it. Oh well I tried.

Oh and Lonnie, How many times did Dubya use the fallen soldiers to advance His cause?? I can't count the number of times Dubya declared that we just can't allow the fallen to die in vain so we must "Stay the Course" But nary a word to condemn Him from the likes of like You Lonnie for doing so. Why was it AOKAY for Dubya to do so but the AntiWar movement who were trying to STOP the needless deaths so wrong?? Answer Me THAT OK??

Larry

#77 | Posted by LarryMohr
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Larry if we'd have left Iraq back then, we'd have been right back in there within days because Al Quaeda had sent troops into the region to take it over. What sense would it make to take Afghanistan from them and then turn around and give them Iraq. We can't allow them to have a sanctuary country to go plan attacks against us. I'm the first to admit we shouldn't have gone into Iraq to begin with but once we did and Al Quaeda went in to fill the vaccume, we could not leave.

What Bush's plan was to train the Iraqi's to defend their country before we left. I'm the first to admit that Bush should have left the war strategy's and troop sizes to the Generals. We wouldn't have had such a long war had we let the generals do what they get paid to do.

Lonnie

Lonnie has bought Dubya's line hook line and sinker. I won't bother You anymore Lonnie for You're brainwashed. Sorry.

Larry

There is nothing to get Larry. You seem to think it's a right to photograph a coffin. IT IS NOT A RIGHT!!

Lonnie

we have a right to see the carnage from Bush's mistake. I personally wish the photos were all open casket.

Lonnie has bought Dubya's line hook line and sinker. I won't bother You anymore Lonnie for You're brainwashed. Sorry.

Larry

#81 | Posted by LarryMohr
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No, I understand war strategies because people like you, Larry don't have the stomach for it. You have a screwed vision of your way and refuse to see things logically so you "Insert your own alternate universe here."

Someone like you sits around screaming because Israel hit Palestine hard a few months ago without understanding how humane that they really were. If they'd just lobbed a few shells that would drag it out even longer and hurt more civilians and create more suffering. To go for a quick decisive victory is humane because less people hurt in the long run. Now, I'm not going to get into what weapons were used or if they were right or wrong but I'm talking in general terms. Would you want to suffer for 30 days or would you rather it last 2 years?

Larry thinks everyone who has dealt with war strategies are brainwashed. No, they understand more about war than you Larry.

Lonnie

we have a right to see the carnage from Bush's mistake. I personally wish the photos were all open casket.

#83 | Posted by rastaninja
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No, you don't have right to see open caskets unless it's your relative. Well wish in one hand and spit in the other and see which one fills up first.

Lonnie

I need to know the victims of this war. I want america to know what a 18 year old kid looks like when his face has been blown off by an IED. I want the parents to see on Page 1 how there support of a republican president got their child killed.

"To go for a quick decisive victory is humane because less people hurt in the long run. Now, I'm not going to get into what weapons were used or if they were right or wrong but I'm talking in general terms."

LOL it doesn't matter what weapons they used! The went for the quick kill, it was humane! What a fucking joke.

I agree with this policy. It gives the decision to those who should make it: the loved ones of the deceased.

"we have a right to see the carnage from Bush's mistake. I personally wish the photos were all open casket."

I don't see it as a right so much as a responsibility to face the consequences of our actions. ITs just too easy to send troops to war and then change the channel and forget about them.
We should all be required to daily acknowledge the sacrifices they make on our behalf. That isn't necessarily the same thing as approving of the mission which the troops had no part in deciding.

"To make for a quick, decisive victory is more human because fewer people would get hurt in the long run...."

Is just you and thay playing Karnak. An argumetn could be made gas warfare is more humane because it doesn't tear the little bodies of children up as much as high explosives. In fact, I've heard that argument made.

You also have a fantasy world. Just noticing for you.

We should all be required to daily acknowledge the sacrifices they make on our behalf. That isn't necessarily the same thing as approving of the mission which the troops had no part in deciding.
#88 | Posted by danni

Yes. Well not required, maybe, but at least have the opportunity.

"Would you rather suffer for two days or for thirty...?

Depends entirely upon what happened to me in whatever space of time. If I were alone and single thirty days in Verdun I could do. But if my kids were with me two days would be much too many.

The needs of two-year-olds is always secondary to the objective of the military operation. So much for being "humane".

If you really want to see the cost of war, enlist. Of course you have to pass the mental and physical test first. Then into the Army or the Marines -In combat arms or as a medic.

I recommend then that you jump up and down, wave your hand and yell "me, me! when they are looking for folks to go to Afghanistan. Then you can really see and experience the great game. Otherewise you are just a turista.

It is up to the families. If I get greased on a tour and photraphers show up, my Mom will take a rolling pin to them.

#56 | Posted by Beachbuzz

I didn't see this yesterday.

How dare you call me a liar and question my service you little ass wipe. I served from 1986-1991 and my last tour was Gulf 1.

I don't care what your republican friends think I have a mind of my own and I believe we should honor our fallen soldiers not to hide in shame and call it compassionate.

AND YES YOU ARE HIDING YOUR SHAME!

Get Bush's rhetoric out of your ass and try to understand not every Vet is closed minded like you, you fuck.

If you want to live in a dysfunctional world you go right ahead my friend but you are nothing but a little ass biting piece of shit and I don't care if I get banned for this.

Also,
All you people talking about humane warfare have never seen someone's head after a .60 cal bullet tears half of it away. Or the pieces of flesh left after 70 lbs of high explosives land 20 feet away. You are all full of shit and I hope someday you can experience what I have. You would cry the rest of your pitiful lives.

I cannot believe some of the shit I am reading here. You republicans are dangerous people and I am glad your type will be lost in the wilderness for generations.

All I here from you republicans is hope for democratic failure and secession and revolution. Well you better learn real quick that republicans cannot win a war and only democrats have.

Put up or shut up.

Let the revolution begin...

I need to know the victims of this war. I want america to know what a 18 year old kid looks like when his face has been blown off by an IED. I want the parents to see on Page 1 how there support of a republican president got their child killed.

Classy.
If you want to know what an 18 year old kid looks like when he gets his face blown off I suggest you go to www.NYTIMES.com. They are only too happy to show wounded American soldiers. This is merely coffins with an american flag.I am sure it will give the Left a reason to jump up and down and cheer. Prolix. You da Man.

Says the "person" who calls a vet a liar.

Based on his comments, I don't believe Prolix is a vet!

Prove me wrong!

I couldn't care less if he is a vet or not. Many people like Doc Sarvis and Danni talk shit supported by bullshit everyday on this website. It is actually very amusing. I find the people who talk shit the most loudly about the service usually are talking shit or exaggerating. Either way I don't care.

Also,
All you people talking about humane warfare have never seen someone's head after a .60 cal bullet tears half of it away. Or the pieces of flesh left after 70 lbs of high explosives land 20 feet away. You are all full of shit and I hope someday you can experience what I have. You would cry the rest of your pitiful lives.

I cannot believe some of the shit I am reading here. You republicans are dangerous people and I am glad your type will be lost in the wilderness for generations.

All I here from you republicans is hope for democratic failure and secession and revolution. Well you better learn real quick that republicans cannot win a war and only democrats have.

Put up or shut up.

Let the revolution begin...

After reading this. Yea he was right. You are talking shit. Internet tough guy. You got balls behind a computer. Kind of sad.

I'm awfully confused. When did America become a country where people get to tell others how to feel about _their_ experiences? How does it become possible to assert that antiwar protesters are scum? That's just not okay. How many antiwar protesters engage in protest at military funerals? The antiwar protesters I have seen in action (sometimes including _veterans_) have been respectful in every context. And Prolix, thank you for your service. I know that there are more thoughtful veterans and currently serving military personnel out there.

Hey, where's Eddie on this thread? Heh heh.

I find the people who talk shit the most loudly about the service usually are talking shit or exaggerating. Either way I don't care.

#96 | Posted by timbci

Much like people who talk the most about imaginary videos of 9/11 hijackers on the observation deck of the WTC?

Fuck you too timmy. I don't care if anyone here believes me or not. I have two Certificates hanging on my wall from the military; One for saving a man's life and another for repairing a radar system that those stupid GS assholes could not. I don't need your approval...

#56 | Posted by Beachbuzz

Beachbuzz,

How is your fantasy football league going?

Here's a thought, how about we let the soldiers decide for themselves. Before they are sent in to combat have them file a form stating, in the event of their death, whether or not they select to allow their return to be documented.

Timmy - you are another pathetic republican. You think money is is god and never have anything to add to any conversation.

Your immature, unsophisticated and crass so don't even think your at my level little boy...

Fuck you too timmy. I don't care if anyone here believes me or not. I have two Certificates hanging on my wall from the military; One for saving a man's life and another for repairing a radar system that those stupid GS assholes could not. I don't need your approval...

#100 | Posted by Prolix247

Pro,

#104 | Posted by Zarathustra

I am sorry but I cannot let the this slight go unanswered. These assholes questioned my service because I don't share their views.

#105 | Posted by Prolix247

I hear ya on that one, sir. I must admit I didn't go back through all the old posts before I published my comment.

Interesting how some right-wingers are all about the military until a fellow serviceman/woman has the audacity to disagree.

The ferociousness with which they devour any dissenters is really shocking.

Timmy - you are another pathetic republican. You think money is is god and never have anything to add to any conversation.

Your immature, unsophisticated and crass so don't even think your at my level little boy...

I am so far above your level son.
Why do you feel the need to lie about serving in the milirary.
Does it make you feel like a real man?
Do you feel tough?
The only thing you have hanging on your wall is a GI Joe Poster. Be well tought guy

"dissenters" referring, of course, to dissent within the ranks of the military.

#x Posted by timbci at 2009-02-27 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag: Basement-dwelling Neckbeard

I do like Johnny Hotsauces idea...we fill out so much paperwork this would be easy...problem is the Primary Next of Kin gets to make all the final arrangements. Some units have developed local forms where sodliers id pallbeares, music, other actions to be taken in the event of death.

I just thought of something. If two or more coffins come back at once, and only one refuses to have theirs covered by the media, does that mean that those who do wish to have the media there lose their right to do so?

#106 | Posted by Zarathustra

Yeah I know,

Guys in the service like these two were the bottom of the barrel. Ideology before brother. I always weeded them out of my security team because you could not trust them. They always talk a big game but when the pressure was on they never took the point position.

#111 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

I don't think so. I think the one coffin would be taken off first in private then the others could have their wishes fulfilled.

At least the Timbecile is just a harmless crank.

Well you guys won't see it as humane because you can't imagine not having regular meals, electricity, etc. If your a father and none of your kids were injured during this, you'd want it over quickly as you and your family aren't having regular meals. What if your kid needed to take medical procedures that require electricity? So your telling me 2 days isn't humane as opposed to 2 years of random shell lobbing?

Lonnie

#114 | Posted by Zarathustra

Sounds like he is stalking R8 kid? I would find this guy and put the kibosh on him if he made a statement about my kid like that.

Over fantasy football no less.

Fantasy Football

What a loser...

To go for a quick decisive victory is humane because less people hurt in the long run. Now, I'm not going to get into what weapons were used or if they were right or wrong but I'm talking in general terms.
#84 | Posted by lwalk17

Lonnie,
The weapons used make all the difference in the world. I though you stated you understand war tactics?

Israel should have done a cordon and search mission and gone door to door like our guys do to flush out Hamas if that is what their intention was. That is how you reduce civilian casualties.

It seems to me the intention of Israel was civilian punishment so they only bombed from a distance and targeted civilian targets and populations. Israel admitted they targeted civilian positions.

Yes, you will say Hamas hide behind women and children but that only proves my point that the mission should have been cordon and search. If you wanted to dismantle Hamas.

Israel was attempting to minimize it's military casualties and deaths due to an up coming election so they chose to brutalize innocent people from a distance.

I am sorry to see that you think this is humane.

Actually I'm sorry your such a Hamas Shill. I can only guess that the Democrat party is fine with Hamas, what they do, and what they stand for. They target women and children too so what's the difference if Israel does it too or not? You make these claims because you do not currently live next to a shelled area and have to race away from these dummy bombs on a daily basis. You don't have to endure the worry that your kids may have been hit by them. You haven't rushed to your house to see if your kids are ok because bombs landed next to your house. You guys say your intelligent but have no empathy for others because your spew is based on nothingness. You attempt to say Hamas is the good guy but I'll assure you that Hamas has absolutely no good will towards you and yours. In your attempts to be logical, you ignore the deaths and damage caused by these animals because you don't like war. Nobody loves war but these idiots bring it upon themselves. I know you'll never see the err of your ways nor do I expect you to.

Lonnie

#118 | Posted by lwalk17

Lonnie,
Calm down, nowhere in my post do I state I support Hamas or that they were the good guys as you suggest, that is your selective interpretation.

What I stated had to do with Israeli military tactics which is much different than stating support for Hamas.

I do see you did not respond to my opinion about tactics though. Then you would have to admit I was correct so you attack the gentile.
..............
"They target women and children too so what's the difference if Israel does it too or not?"
..............

This statement of yours says it all.

I am not going to argue with you or respond to you since I understand your mindset based on that statement.

I wish you peace.

It's interesting how the MSM spun this whole coffins deal. Until this week I had no idea it began with Bush I and carried on all through 8 years of the Clintons. My impression was that it was all GWB's fault. Shame on me for not digging deeper.

MRFAIR-
From the article: "Over the years, some exceptions to the policy were made, allowing the media to photograph coffins in some cases, until the administration of President George W. Bush and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

If you only bother to read the headlines and the funny paper, how is that anyone's fault but yours?

#118 | Posted by lwalk17

Wow - strawman much?

I am just really happy that you folks have finnaly gotten what you have wanted for so long now.
you can gleefully count every flag on the coffins now in the pictures.

good for you dear.

and now that people like ali al-marri are being moved into a civilivan court because of the aclu using tactics that threatens the lives of the very people who keep us safe.
well there might be a whole more coffins for you to count.

well there might be a whole more coffins for you to count.

Freedom and Liberty isn't free...

Many people like Doc Sarvis and Danni talk shit supported by bullshit everyday on this website.
#96 | Posted by timbci

Says Mr. Lonely Guy, who still can't support his claim about a videotape he claims millions of people saw but which nobody else but him seems to remember.

Such a clown.

LOL

If you only bother to read the headlines and the funny paper, how is that anyone's fault but yours?

#121 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-02-27 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag

How about if you take your own advice and read more thoroughly. I said in my post "Shame on me for not digging deeper."