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Tuesday, February 24, 2009

American Insurance Group, the insurance giant that is 80 percent owned by the US government, is in discussions with the government to secure additional funds so it can keep operating after next Monday, when it will report the largest loss in U.S. corporate history. The loss reportedly will be near $60 billion due to writedowns on assets including commercial real estate.

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tell them to hit up the shariah takafel side of their entity for the funds.

No problem. Tim, hand me the checkbook. -B.O.

No.

Let Soros give them a loan. LET THEM FAIL......

AIG is neck deep in OTC derivatives. After a bad experience, Buffet called them financial weapons of mass destruction. AIG will get another bailout to forestall ignition.

Washington can only do so many more of these bailouts before there is no one to bail out Washington.

It's about as bad oh hell it is as bad as a damned drunk askng for more liquor even after already giving im a whole 2 truckloads full of the stuff. Let the fucking drunk sober up for God sake.

Larry

Gomer Pyle said it best; surprise, Surprise, SURPRISE

Great, another push for gold. Unfortunately, it I only have enough food to feed my family there is no amount of gold you can offer to give you some of it.

Addendum: After I tun down your starving offer and you irritate me, I may take my guns and have food -- and gold.

Moe Greenberg and the rest of the guys who were ousted a couple of years back put this all in motion. They were fleecing that company for Decades. I have stories about the fraud and deception and the buying off of all sorts of employees...

Does anyone have a good reason why we should keep propping up failed businesses like AIG? Like Larry said, this is treating the hangover with more booze. It doesn't solve the problem. It just prolongs the inevitable.

Let AIG fail. Bankrupsy court can sell the assets to solvent companies and the stockholders will suffer the loss.

The Feds are like amateur poker players throwing good money after bad. I could make a fortune in a card game with Barry and Joe. What a couple of losers.

They're like Crack Addicts.

This is growing crazier by the day.

I must admit I don't have an answer but we've given this industry enough money to burn a wet elephant.

At some point do you let it colapse and start over?

I call bullshit on this plea for help, and I don't think the Federal Government is anymore capable of managing this business than the original managers.

Oh, reeeeeeealy?

Another AIG Resort 'Junket': Top Execs Caught on Tape

Even as the company was pleading the federal government for another $40 billion dollars in loans, AIG sent top executives to a secret gathering at a luxury resort in Phoenix last week.

Reporters for abc15.com (KNXV) caught the AIG executives on hidden cameras poolside and leaving the spa at the Pointe Hilton Squaw Peak Resort, despite apparent efforts by the company to disguise its involvement.

With video:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/
WallStreet/story?id=6223972&page=1

Seriously, is there any better proof that the corporations are the ones pulling the stings in Washington? Otherwise, why would we keep shoveling money into the bottomless AIG hole?

Dear AIG:

Fuck you.

Signed, the American people

A few years ago I created a cache of canned and dry beans, canned meat, canned vegetables and rice in hermetically sealed containers.

Not just crap rice from California but also jasmine rice from Thailand. Good stuff.

Enough to keep several families alive for a few years. Even longer if you buy the hunting weapons stored at a nearby location (sold separately).

This cache is in Western Virginia and will be posted on e-bay at the appropriate time.

Does anyone have a good reason why we should keep propping up failed businesses like AIG?

Not anymore than the Government should write me a check everytime I can't make my bills.

These fuckers are becoming the "albatross around our neck".

In my opinion (like the lower body orfice, everyone has one)the wound was self inflicted in this industry and the ONLY reason they are asking for money is their colapse will render many Americans BROKE.

Anybody know if AIG still owns Back O'Beyond Golf Course? It was exclusively for executives of AIG. They bought the surrounding properties to keep the beer and peanut crowd from being able to see it and wonder why they couldn't get a membership.


Dear AIG:


Fuck you.


Signed, the American people

#15 | Posted by Kinger at 2009-02-24 10:15 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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PS. Please find your striped jumpsuit and leg irons at the bench in front of you.


Anybody know if AIG still owns Back O'Beyond Golf Course? It was exclusively for executives of AIG. They bought the surrounding properties to keep the beer and peanut crowd from being able to see it and wonder why they couldn't get a membership.

#18 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-02-24 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Not sure, but if they do now would be a good time for them to show earnest and liquidate.

Hag, I'm an average upper middle class person. I didn't overspend, hyperextend with credit, or lose my money in junk. I say upper middle simply because of income not a social status. But I live very commonly. My vehicles are all over 6 years old. I'm 39 and my home is nearly half paid for.My kids dress at Target when I pay and I feel like I'm stupip since we aren't the ones rewarded.

from above...

"Let AIG fail. Bankrupsy court can sell the assets to solvent companies and the stockholders will suffer the loss."

I wholeheartedly agree, Obama needs to pass a policy...."One bailout per company, then you on your own"

especially companies that fraudulently give out
huge and excessive bonuses to CEOs and members of
the corporate ladder in such times....just like
AIG.

I am sure BHO will bail them out again.

And the commercial real estate crash begins.

CHICKENHAWK

Do you live in a forest with no TV?

This falls under the BUSH emergency TARP program. They called for it, they pushed it through.

Thank the 'no regulation' crowd.

"Hag, I'm an average upper middle class person...."

Not sure why you mention it, but thanks for the testimonial. Sounds like you are a reasonable sort of person....
"My kids dress at Target when I pay and I feel like I'm stupip since we aren't the ones rewarded."
buying at Target is probably one of the ways you are able to maintain your upper middle status. I don't get why you feel stupid, i.e. what do you mean by "we aren't the ones rewarded"?


Anybody know if AIG still owns Back O'Beyond Golf Course? It was exclusively for executives of AIG. They bought the surrounding properties to keep the beer and peanut crowd from being able to see it and wonder why they couldn't get a membership.

#18 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-02-24 10:19 AM


As of June 2001 there has not been any recent recordings. Not sure how fast New York is updating public records. But it looks like business as usual at the course.


what do you mean by "we aren't the ones rewarded"?

It just seems that if you live lavishly and overspend on bullshit like you mentioned above
"the golf course" then you can cry to the government and get something for nothing. All while I see the value of my dollar in the shitter.

sorry for the confusion.

Thanks, Crisp.


CHICKENHAWK


Do you live in a forest with no TV?


This falls under the BUSH emergency TARP program. They called for it, they pushed it through.


Thank the 'no regulation' crowd.

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2009-02-24 10:38 AM

How hard did Congress fight this? You know the ones in charge of doling out the money. Just curious if the other 60 billion they will get and lose still falls under the blame Bush banner.

This falls under the BUSH emergency TARP program. They called for it, they pushed it through.

#24 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY


A preponderance of Democrats voted it through, and Obama called for the release of the 2nd 350 bil before he was even sworn into office. Really, AU, you need to stop being such a blind partisan. The TARP funds could have been denied by the Dems, but they wanted it as bad if not worse than the Repubs.

Poor babies. Here, take my change.

Last week, the Register investigations team broke the story of how executives from AIG, the insurance giant, lived the high life immediately after their company was bailed out by the federal government. The group of executives and invited guests ran up a nearly half million dollar tab at the St. Regis Monarch Beach
www.ocregister.com

"How hard did Congress fight this? You know the ones in charge of doling out the money."

Sorry, but try again. The money was handed out by PAULSON, BUSH's boy, and that is why they have NO IDEA where it went. Remember they were the ones that did not want ANY OVERSIGHT on how they gave out the money to thier friends.

Now, our current administration has not handed out any of the money yet, but keep listneing to Rush, maybe he will give you some more talking points.

Considering all these bailouts, What is the tipping point for your own government's solvency? Or have you past that point already?

AIG wasn't part of the TARP.

Why not ask Warren Buffett for some money? Didn't he do a lot of business with AIG in their free-wheelin' days with General Re? Didn't Berkshire own a stake?

Bankrupt it, and walk away.

Sorry, but try again. The money was handed out by PAULSON, BUSH's boy,

Ah yes. Congress had no hand in this failed give away. By all means explain why there had to be votes in both Houses of Congress before Bush and Paulson magically made the money appear out of thin air.

I've been telling you people for 6 or 8 months that you're being sacked! You're being pillaged by the globalist bankers.
And they aren't going to stop until they have emptied the coffers.
Hold on to your ass America you're now entering the vortex of the flush swirl.

U.S. Consumer Confidence Collapsed to Record Low

Bob Willis
Bloomberg
February 24, 2009

Confidence among U.S. consumers plunged to a record low in February, signaling spending will slump further as unemployment soars.
www.bloomberg.com

Lawmaker Warns Of "Forced Servitude" Under Obama
www.infowars.com

Economic crisis is as bad as they come'

Carolyn Lochhead
San Francisco Chronicle
February 23, 2009

If 30 years of financial crises teach anything - in Scandinavia, Japan, other parts of Asia and Latin America - the worst is not over for the U.S. economy. But that may be the good news.
www.infowars.com

They should be entitled to as much money as they need, because if AIG doesn't get their money, somebody might lose a job somewhere and the stock market may lose 40 percent of its value.

-Corky and the Null


P.S. 401k, too big to fail and all that...

Thank God! If we hadn't gotten involved, I had heard their budget deficit would have been $27 billion, with two less trips to the SPA per month!

You go Gov! You really got the groove! Take a loss of this amount and build on it, that takes a true MAGICIAN, a Houdini or that guy Chris, you know, the one who levitated over the Casino in Vegas a while back! Maybe the Government can do that to get our money back, you think?

Does anyone have a good reason why we should keep propping up failed businesses like AIG?


If this is true....?????

....if an insurer goes under, its claims go to an "insolvency fund". Most State have similar statutes. An AIG (AIG) collapse, being the largest insurer, would destroy the value of these funds as they are not sufficiently capitalized to handle a collapse the size of AIG, nor are they staffed to handle to onslaught of claims that would then flow their way.

www.mrswing.com

AIG, the big banks, GM, AT&T, ExxonMobil, etc. all demonstrate the harm that comes from not enforcing anti-trust laws. Had we broken up the monopolies we wouldn't be having the problems we are having today. Companies should not be allowed to be too big to fail.

"AIG, the big banks, GM, AT&T, ExxonMobil, etc. all demonstrate the harm that comes from not enforcing anti-trust laws. Had we broken up the monopolies we wouldn't be having the problems we are having today. Companies should not be allowed to be too big to fail."

Deserved saying again.

How is it that Alan Greenspan, free-market lobbyist for Wall Street, recently announced that he favored nationalization of America's banks and indeed, mainly the biggest and most powerful? Has the old disciple of Aynn Rand gone Red in the night?

Today's neoliberal idea of "market freedom" preaches neutering government, letting Angelo Mozilo at Countrywide, Hank Greenberg at AIG, Bernie Madoff, Citibank, Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers loot without hindrance or sanction, plunge the economy into crisis and then use Treasury bailout money to pay the highest salaries and bonuses in U.S. history.

Terms that are the antithesis of "free market" also are being turned into the opposite of what they historically have meant, a government giveaway to our richest citizens.

The Treasury might become the source of new money, replacing commercial bank credit. Hopefully, this credit would be lent out for economically and socially productive purposes, not merely to inflate asset prices while loading down households and business with debt as has occurred under today's commercial bank lending policies.
Modern neoliberal ideologues are public relations experts who depict a "free market" as one free of government regulation, "free" of anti-trust protection, and even of protection against fraud. The neoliberal ideal of free markets matches a bank robber or embezzler, wishing for a world without police, free to siphon off other peoples' money without constraint.

This could be achieved by suppressing knowledge of what Locke, Smith and Mill really wrote. Attempts to regulate "free markets" and limit monopoly pricing and privilege are conflated with "socialism," even with Soviet-style bureaucracy. The aim is to deter the analysis of what a "free market" really is: a market free of unnecessary costs: monopoly rents, property rents and financial charges for credit that governments can create freely.

Instead of industrial capitalism increasing capital formation we are seeing finance capitalism strip capital, and instead of the promised world of leisure we are being drawn into one of debt peonage.

By the end of last year, $20 billion was used to pay bonuses and salaries to financial mismanagers, despite the plunge of their banks into negative equity. These banks continued to pay lobbying fees to persuade legislators to give them more special privileges.

While Citibank and other major institutions threatened to bring the financial system crashing down by being "too big to fail," over $100 billion of TARP funds was used to make them even bigger. Teetering banks bought affiliates that had grown by making irresponsible and outright fraudulent loans. Bank of America bought Countrywide Financial and Merrill Lynch, while JP Morgan Chase bought Bear Stearns and other big banks bought WaMu and Wachovia.

Excerpted from Michael Hudson @ Counterpunch

"How is it that Alan Greenspan, free-market lobbyist for Wall Street, recently announced that he favored nationalization of America's banks and indeed, mainly the biggest and most powerful? Has the old disciple of Aynn Rand gone Red in the night?"

If we're not given voting rights with that nationalization... then its win/win for those guys.

What, in language us simple non financial wizards would understand, is the downside of letting these companies fail? I don't like bailing them out, but what happens if we don't? Personally, I think a lot of these guys are asking for bailouts because its easier than making tough decisions. Its the same reason almost all of the govs supported the stimulus, and those that didn't waited until after it safely passed before saying they would not take some of the money.

In other words, are the rest of us, in an effort to hold the banks accountable, going to end screwing ourselves?

As for Wall Street, its going to be what its going to do. About the only thing that would help is a another trillion dollars committed, and even then the deficit hawks would get worried and push it back down.

I am just hoping that my contributions to the various bailouts goes to spa visits, Las Vegas Conferences and 1.3 million dollar bathroom remodelings - cause if my money isn't going to be spent frivolously then I am not going to pay my taxes this year

P.S. FUCK AIG, FUCK MERRILL LYNCH, FUCK BUSH AND HIS NO OVERSIGHT BULLSHIT AND MOST IMPORTANTLY FUCK ME - (cause I am just your average Joe here to work non stop till I die so yall can shit on $35,000 toilets)

armadillo,

Once our house of cards falls, every Bank with a large Mortgage Portfolio will be bankrupt. The bigger they are the harder they fall. But nothing will get better until a correction occurs, either in Real Estate prices or wages. Anyone betting on wages rising anytime soon?

Sending the crooks a check makes no sense, especially since their behavior is completely selfish. But they receive it because they have bought a seat at the Washington table.

Banks, Lawyers, Government Bureaucracies are all overhead costs. Only factories produce tradable goods and we moved most of them overseas.

So the answer to your question is bank shareholders would take a bloodbath. The scarier question is what happens if and when foriegners stop lending to us? AIG figure into that question bigtime, because they "guaranteed" all the fruadulent securities Wall Street sold them.

Agree on the manufacturing sector, call me old fasioned, but I like visible assets.

What happens to us average joes though if the banks go through bankrupcty. The standard GOP talking point is let them fail. Let the strong survive and let the rest learn a lesson. (Thats pretty big talk by the way from the same party that lead the charge on deregulation in the first place. I am pretty damn sure that if a Repub was President the parties roles would be reversed.)

I think a lot of folks are in the same situation. They don't want to pay these fuckers off, but are worried about the consequences.

I just want to thank all you deadbeats for my bonus. I just got back from Mexico. I partied it up on your dime

CROOKS - All I can say, every last one of them...fucking crooks

"God helps those who help themselves" Ben Franklin

Blame Obama, blame Bush


Waaahhhh give me my bottle


you stupid twats

Repugnant - thats really the best you can come up with....sigh....I would say you shouldn't procreate, but lets be honest - who would sleep with your dumb ass

Homeless. I bet Repugnant could bag your mom if he drank enough bottles of vodka

Repugnant, on previous posts you had some interesting comments, this time you failed

Tim, you are an idiot...when did this become a blog for teenagers???

If you say so Tim...

Repugnant How was you little tryst with the old lady

Wow - the discussions that take place on this site have really gone down hill - Good work Tim - quite an accomplishment - I agreed with Top - go back to school youngin

Aye Tim do us all a favor and just shut up

Wow Tim, you seem to be well liked...even by Repug...who apparently also doesn't think you comment was funny enough for a reply.......good job though...keep up the good work

Why not just set up recurring monthly bailouts of 50 to 800 billion or more using an automatic deposit system to save on paper costs.

Sounds like a prime candidate to test 100% nationalization on.

wow, quite a bit of latent hostility - feeling the crunch of the constricting economy??

twat....what a funny word

Still no love for lil' Timmy BCI ehh - well little boy, maybe if you were more of a man you wouldn't have to look to Repug for validation.....


I just want to thank all you deadbeats for my bonus. I just got back from Mexico. I partied it up on your dime

#49 | Posted by timbci at 2009-02-24 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Really? I just got a really nice bonus from the Oil Company I work for and I put it all in the stock purchase program because I'm gauranteed a 15% return as a minium.

"Partying it up" might not be a good investment at this juncture.

Really? I just got a really nice bonus from the Oil Company I work for and I put it all in the stock purchase program because I'm gauranteed a 15% return as a minium.

That's very odd. Most ESPPs require you to make contributions all through the year because they usually sell the stock at the lower of Jan 1 and Dec 31 prices. This keeps people from doing what you did -- decide at the last minute they want in on it because the price is better. You are lucky you are allowed to do that. It is very unusual and of course to the employees' extreme advantage.

I put the max of 20% into mine in 2008. It went from a high of $160 last summer to closed at $45 the last trading day of the year. We get it at 15% of that of course. No doubt that being an oil company it will go back up. The falling market helped me in this manner. If I was retiring this year or the next few, I would admittedly be fucked.

If I could do what your company offers, I would put the 20% away and make interest on it. Then if at the end of the year it was to my advantage to buy the stock, I'd choose to do it then. I hope you take full advantage of this very unusual stipulation in you ESPP. I've never heard of any other corporation willing to give their employees that kind of leeway in their stock plans.

They are already bankrupt. So, why not let them declare it officially? Calling it too big to fail is just plain stupid.

Only give them more money if they change their name to LMFAO.

That's very odd. Most ESPPs require you to make contributions all through the year because they usually sell the stock at the lower of Jan 1 and Dec 31 prices. This keeps people from doing what you did -- decide at the last minute they want in on it because the price is better. You are lucky you are allowed to do that. It is very unusual and of course to the employees' extreme advantage.

You are right. My merit bonus was 5 percent pay increase. I deduct 5% from my paycheck every 1st and 15th. Put it in my SPP. Not as a lump sum.

I couldn't take the lump sum and throw it in.

Usually I increase my 401 with a portion of my merit increase but opted to take more of the stock at this time.




# 69, ESPP:

I just found out late yesterday I got sort of fucked on mine. I had been contributing 20%. As you said, you can't go wrong since you automatically make 15% no matter what. Well, there was a clause in ours that said if the stock got to a certain low point that we would get x shares and a refund (with interest, bfd) of the rest. Well, I got my x shares and an $11k check. Yeah, the unexpected check is nice, but it is just my own money coming back. I of course could invest it at this low price, but I don't get the 15% discount, of course. Though I didn't really lose anything, I feel I got screwed.

#70 | Posted by goatman at 2009-02-25 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think our spp is a 10k annual limit on the deal no matter what % you put in bimonthly. Once you hit the max they quit taking money out of your check.

Of course we can buy all the stock we want but not on the spp deal. You simply use your market account after that.

Its really a good deal. I'd put my entire lump sum annual performance bonus in there too, if theyd let me.

Its really a good deal.

It is. That's why I put the max 20%, though as I explained earlier, it didn't quite work out for me as I'd planned.

But I did well the last 3 years with it. The 20% max made me give up a few things and tone down the lifestyle, but in the long run, I will come out ahead.

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