YAWN............

It's become obvious that Obama is more likely to answer questions like a lawyer than a president. For that reason, I won't be watching.

The Bully Pulpit in the hands of someone both competent and charismatic. No wonder Joe can't bare to watch.

I hope they cover important topics such as:
→ Michelle's wardrobe
→ The family dog
→ Being a parent in the White House
→ Obama's Hollywood entourage
→ The latest issue of SpiderMan

...and if they have time why he thinks borrow-and-spend is going to suddenly start working.

Obama is more likely to answer questions like a lawyer than a president.

Still miles ahead than Bush answering questions like a boozehound.
And Joe, you won't be listening because reality and competence make righties break out in a rash.

Just wish he wasn't pre-empting House.

I hope someone asks if Sen. Gregg will withdraw his name from consideration as Commerce Secretary given Obama's political grab to move the Census Bureau into the White House. Rahm Emanuel controling the "facts" about population to control redistricting. They are a tough group.

what? his new network isn't up and running?

And Joe, you won't be listening because reality and competence make righties break out in a rash.

Just wish he wasn't pre-empting House.

#5 | Posted by northguy3
* * * *

Yeah. That sucks. Then again, you'll still see some pretty good acting. Hugh Laurie pretends to know a lot about medicine, and tonight Obama will pretend to know a lot about finance and economics.

I wonder if anyone will ask, what happened to the first $700 billion you voted for?

Will the shows be pushed back or will the nets return to the story "already in progress"? I mean, if I miss part of Chuck, my week will be fucking RUINED.

It's become obvious that Obama is more likely to answer questions like a lawyer than a president. For that reason, I won't be watching.

#2 | Posted by JOE at 2009-02-09 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

You can't even stand your own profession? Good to know.

"It's become obvious that Obama is more likely to answer questions like a lawyer than a president. For that reason, I won't be watching.

#2 | Posted by JOE "

Yeah, wouldn't want him to lawyer his way through questions like Joe does on Drudge everyday.

By that logic, Joe shouldn't read his own posts.

Then again, you'll still see some pretty good acting.

As long as he doesn't show up in a flight suit and pretend to win wars. Or, as your idols, Mctoast and saint sarah did, that everything is great because the American worker is exercising regularly and eating healthy...

-the first $700 billion you voted for?

You must mean the Republican President's bail-out, eh?

You know that most of it hasn't yet been spent, and what has been spent was blocked by Repubes from being spent on foreclosures.

You know that most of it hasn't yet been spent, and what has been spent was blocked by Repubes from being spent on foreclosures.

#14 | Posted by Corky
* * * *

Wow. Are you stupid. Most of it has been spent, and there's plenty of money going to foreclosures. The problem is that housing prices are falling faster than new money can get to them.

Keep selling. Corkyites are still stupid, and they're kiting a lot of checks.

They do know all that Corky-they're just hoping no one ELSE does.

Stupid is as Stupid posts, Righty.

"Mr Geithner is unlikely to ask the US Congress for more money to fund the bail-out at this stage, given approximately half of the original $700bn bail-out funds remains,"

"Under the plan the government would provide the base capital for the so-called $500bn (338bn) "bad bank", which will purchase toxic assets from banks' balance sheets, with the bulk of the money coming from private firms.

Not only would such a move limit the amount the US government would need to spend on this measure, it would also mean that the majority of such assets remain in private hands, thereby reducing the problem of how the government would sell such assets back into the private sector when the time came.

Potential funders of such a scheme are likely to include constituents from the alternative asset industry, such as private equity firms and hedge funds. Many of these have set up distressed debt funds in recent months in response to the changes in their own industries, which have made previous efforts such as large scale buy-outs almost impossible.

If Mr Geithner can deliver such a model, and encourage banks to sell into a system which essentially sells it on to other institutions at knock-down prices, there is a chance that bank balance sheets will begin to be heal, allowing major institutions to start lending again."

And this:

"In addition to the "bad" or "aggregator" bank, the revised programme, whose "Troubled Assets Relief Programme" (TARP) name could yet be dropped, will include up to $100bn of spending to tackle rising house repossessions, expanding a Federal Reserve programme to extend loans to consumers and small businesses and offering loss guarantees to banks who prefer to keep toxic assets on their books."

Rethugs cared not a cent about foreclosures.

" A new bank bailout plan to be unveiled Tuesday by the Treasury Department is set to create incentives for private sector investment into troubled banks."

Oh sure after they screwed all investors in fannie and freddie, you know the 20 billion they raised in preferred stock, then defaulted on them in less then 10 months from date of issue? WHO is going to want to invest in ANY gov (semi)owned bank.

There's talk that the feds want to be first in line if a bank fails. In doing so they are saying screw you to all senior debt holders.

Geithner's plan is what? What he let happen under his watch at the NY fed speaks volumes...about his lack of a cohesive understanding of what's it's going to take....

Oh gee corky the dems are so in charge and have a thorough understanding of what's it's going to take.
NOT!!! Ask Paul Volcher, he has spoken positively about the 1st tarp deployment. Do you know more then him, or are you just uninformed???

Why don't you tell us about how smart Joe Biden was re-writing the bankruptcy laws while you're on your crusade?

I'll tune in.

Just to see how the questions are staged or not --and how much stuttering that one does.

There won't be much new substance as he has said all there is to say for the last 20 days.

Why isn't Obama focusing his energy on Washington? They're the ones that will pass it...not the public.

Bush did the same thing for Social Security.

Under the plan the government would provide the base capital for the so-called $500bn (338bn) "bad bank", which will purchase toxic assets from banks' balance sheets, with the bulk of the money coming from private firms.

Not only would such a move limit the amount the US government would need to spend on this measure, it would also mean that the majority of such assets remain in private hands, thereby reducing the problem of how the government would sell such assets back into the private sector when the time came.
* * * *

It won't work. Those bank assets are for sale now--they always are. If a private investor wanted to buy them, all they would have to do is show up with a check.
But the banks don't want to part with the assets at a price private equity is willing to pay. Duh. Otherwise, the transaction would have already happened.
So Tax-Dodgin' Treasury Tim will allow a put feature on the assets, which will be sold at a premium. If the assets perform, private equity can pocket the profits. If they don't, the taxpayer will make up the difference.
Heads I win, tails you lose. Timmy has gift-wrapped another early Christmas present, this time to the Blackstone Group and Fortress. Expect a rally for an hour or two, then another big selloff, post announcement. In fact, I'm going to save this post, so I can paste it, after it happens.

The rtard skirming is delicious. I think the lot of you pant pissing "i created this mess but offer no solution" putzes need to go and change your soiled panties. But Cheer up, you can probably find a republican that's perverted enough to buy them for you...

I offer a solution. Let it go. Let the bad banks go bankrupt. Let the housing market find a natural bottom, then it'll recover.

Bill Clinton inherited a recession too, and unemployment was about where it is now. He didn't show up and ask for over a trillion dollars in spendulus. It's stupid.

I think the lot of you pant pissing "i created this mess but offer no solution" putzes need to go and change your soiled panties.
* * * *

By the way, who's soiling panties? It's you libtards and Obama who are saying that it's a catastrophe--that if we don't go out and borrow over a trillion dollars from the Chinese to send to New York banks, that it'll be the end of America as we know it.

Hope! No fear!! Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh!

How about some of the Obama that people saw back in June and July, and less of this fear-mongering "change the hope" guy filling up his cabinet with pardons-for-sale-Holder and Tax-Dodgin' Timmy?

Why isn't Obama focusing his energy on Washington? They're the ones that will pass it...not the public.

#21 | Posted by Pirate

He's running for a second term.

It won't work. Those bank assets are for sale now--they always are. If a private investor wanted to buy them, all they would have to do is show up with a check.
But the banks don't want to part with the assets at a price private equity is willing to pay. Duh. Otherwise, the transaction would have already happened.

Of course...because The Pocket Economist would rather have the bankers get your money unabated, than have them declare bankruptcy and have their assets find their real worth. All to save jobs...of course!

Bill Clinton inherited a recession too, and unemployment was about where it is now. He didn't show up and ask for over a trillion dollars in spendulus. It's stupid.

#25 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-02-09 05:57 PM | Reply |

It is stupid, but to compare this financial problem with the problem faced by clinton is even more stupid. As far as I can tell the options are a) stimulus bill that fucks you guys over b) doing nothing that will really fuck you over.

How about some of the Obama that people saw back in June and July, and less of this fear-mongering "change the hope" guy filling up his cabinet with pardons-for-sale-Holder and Tax-Dodgin' Timmy?

#26 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-02-09 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Whiny ass sore loser

#30 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-02-09 06:05 PM | Reply |

And here's the other banker loving "man of the people" right on cue...

It's you libtards and Obama who are saying that it's a catastrophe--....

#26 | Posted by rightisright

The fundamentals of the economy are strong- John McCain

Right?

#31 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2009-02-09 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag: Yet another whiny ass sore loser

Let me quote from Barrons'

Wea are in this mess largely because critical thought and moral judgement have been subordinated to the politicization of our economy, resulting in regulatory gaps and excessive controls of the wrong kind......The renewing and self-correcting nature of the private sector is largely lost in the public sector, where accountability is impaired by obfuscation of responsibility, and where special interests benefit even when the public good is ill-served.....

"And here's the other banker loving "man of the people" right on cue..."

Funny. Usually I'm called a marxist/socialist/communist. Now I'm a big fan of Wall Street.

Moron.

Funny. Usually I'm called a marxist/socialist/communist. Now I'm a big fan of Wall Street.

Moron.

No, not really funny...sad and pathetic actually.

You just have your head so firmly entrenched in your ass that all a banker has to say is "401k" and you'll stack the cash for him faster than he can say "Davos".

The Bully Pulpit in the hands of someone both competent and charismatic. No wonder Joe can't bare to watch.

#3 | Posted by Corky

They will not be letting the "Joes" in this time.

Can't let that happen again.

You think Obama screwed up with the "Spread the Wealth" comment? Wait till you see it in action!!!

Is there anybody that can get this moron out of the White House? The joke is getting old, he does'nt have a clue as to what he is doing.

I can't believe he thought he could fit a real man's shoes, he is a clown, in every sense of the word.
What's with the phoney baloney scowl on his face, I can't believe he is trying to use that to intimidate his opponents, he is a fraud, a hoax.
Impeach his stupid ass and save America.

You worthless lefties put that piece of human waste in office, he is going to fuck up the nation.

DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS WORTHLESS STIMULUS, IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN A PAYOFF TO THOSE FUCKS THAT SCAMMED THE ELECTION FOR HIM> The fucking liberals need the money to stay in power, don't let them have it, anyone can solve problems by throwing money at them, it is the true leaders who resolve problems democratically, without forcing us into slave4 labor to pay for the liberal deadbeats.

" all a banker has to say is "401k" and you'll stack the cash for him faster than he can say "Davos".

#36 | Posted by IraqiBukkake "

You're an idiot. And a losertarian. But I repeat myself.

I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation on how this bill is going to help the economy. I guess it's just to much to ask this very simple question.

He's running for a second term.

----

I guess so. If the situation is as dire as he makes it out to be, he should be working with those that will pass it and not try to drum up public support that means squat.

I guess so. If the situation is as dire as he makes it out to be, he should be working with those that will pass it and not try to drum up public support that means squat.

#41 | Posted by Pirate

If he can't offer a simplistic answer to how this package is going to immediately stimulate the economy, he is just wasting time.

There. Feel better?

#43 | Posted by OohRah

I feel sick. I've been following what the Govenor of Wisconsin plans to do with his share of this pork. Our budget is shot to hell, and this does nothing to address it other than make it worse.

Change...Hope...Change..Hope

I feel better

It will help my industry...healthcare IT. It think there's 80 billion set aside for that.

On what basis would you impeach President Obama? I'm pretty sure impeachment requires criminal action (at least that's why they tried Clinton for perjury). There were a great many people who wanted to impeach Bush, but guess what, you can't impeach someone based on dislike of _policy_ (or even politicization of whatever issue).

And again, lefties put him in office? What was the percentage of the vote? I think lots of conservatives (real conservatives, not neocons) voted for this guy.

Btw, I think this stimulus package is awful. I'm with those who say we need TWO packages--one for immediate rescue/stimulus, a second for long-term investment. It's not only President Obama who is moving too fast on this, but the _Congress_. Which, btw, could be why he's going on the teevee. If you believe Senator McCain, his and numerous lawmakers' offices have been FLOODED with calls, so apparently the people actually give a shit on this vote. Well, if you believe that. So if you really believe in democracy, which might be construed to mean that legislative leaders would act in accord with their constituents' wishes, perhaps the White House feels that it's time to take it to the people.

Or you can say it's all bullshit posturing, in which case, don't talk anymore about what the people want.

I think these assholes in Congress should sit down, shut up, and do something--or nothing--for the people. NOBODY knows what's gonna save our collective ass on this one; only history will answer that, right? Right? Isn't that what people say about wars? Why is this different? If there were a clear answer to make everyone prosperous, healthy, and smart, wouldn't we be doing it? Wouldn't we have done it decades ago?

It's going to help the Milwaukee Public school system. 15 fucking vacant school buildings and they are getting money to build new schools.

Interestingly, there are some states saying they don't want any money. Is that just politicking of another kind? (Can-do Americanism.) Check out Gov. Douglas of Vermont, though it was last week when he said that...

one of these channels should have the balls to at least carry a rerun of married with children.

Change...Hope...Change..Hope

I feel better

#45 | Posted by chickenrancher

ff

"15 fucking vacant school buildings and they are getting money to build new schools." Are the schools safe? Are they sufficient to meet state standards and the requirements of whatever accreditation organization holds power there? Are they wired for speed? I'm not saying it's okay to use this rescue/bailout/giveaway to pay for new schools; but I am suggesting that there's more to a decision to build new schools than whether the district has some vacant buildings. (And do towns or counties--regular voters--get to vote on construction decisions there in Milwaukee? They do in NH and VT, and probably in most states...)

If the situation is as dire as he makes it out to be, he should be working with those that will pass it and not try to drum up public support that means squat.

#41 | Posted by Pirate

Obama did have the Repubs in for lunch and then that was the end of reaching across the aisle.

The bill has passed with the turncoats Snow Collins and Specter voting for it along with all the Dems and the two Independents.

The bill won't work and the spending won't get to the economy until 2011 2012 or after that.

Non jobs for Macy people or Caterpillar people or car jobs or anywhere except for the gov't to expand and the unions.

---
So can anyone find a final copy of the list of thievery?

Obama --the accidental POTUS.

It's only to get worse.

This stimulus package will put the final touches on the democrat plan to reduce our economy to rubble.

Thanks democrats!

pragmatist, the situation in Milwaukee is due to the drop in enrollment.

And why no money for Private schools if B.O. thinks education is so important? Enrollment is down for the Public schools because School choice enrollment is up. Oh, that's right. The private school teachers aren't part of the Teachers Union. Anyone who can't see what he's doing is blind.

"It's only to get worse.

#54 | Posted by MURPHY "

Hahahaha. 4 loooooong years, Murphy. Enjoy!

Null could be living in the street in 4 years, but by God, his boy won!

How is he accidental? Looked to me like he was elected. Clearly. No mandate, but a clear win, both popular and electoral. Ah, reality.

Yes, I'm sure the democrats really want to destroy the economy. Uh huh, yep, sure. It's always the goal of those in power to make it so there's no state over which to have power or in which to hold power.

Thanks, Wisgod, that's happening all over--decline in enrollment. That wasn't clear from your first post; thanks for clarifying. So who's in control of that money? Rather than people blaming it on the president, maybe they should blame their legislative leaders who asked for the pork. I like bacon as much as the next guy, but yeesh. I'm all for public works (there's a town near me that needs a new middle school, for reasons of size, safety, and general age; I wonder if they'll see some cash on this one), but they should have purpose and value.

"but by God, his boy won!"

Not my boy, Wis, but highly preferable to the alternative.

Rather than people blaming it on the president, maybe they should blame their legislative leaders who asked for the pork.
Posted by pragmatist

Maybe the C.I.C should have the backbone to say no to the pork before he hands it to the States with no oversight. He's not getting off the hook that easy after running on a platform of Change.

It's going to help the Milwaukee Public school system. 15 fucking vacant school buildings and they are getting money to build new schools.

#48 | Posted by wisgod

What condition are the buildings in? Doesn't take that long for those buildings to be past their prime.

What condition are the buildings in? Doesn't take that long for those buildings to be past their prime.

#63 | Posted by panchovilla
I've already clarified. Enrollment is down in the Public Schools systems and the enrollment is up in School Choice. Choice schools in Wi. are those that are not part of any public school system. Religious, Private, etc.

The private school teachers aren't part of the Teachers Union. Anyone who can't see what he's doing is blind.

#57 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-02-09 06:50 PM | Reply |

True. But the reality is that public schools have to accept everyone and don't have tuition or other sources of revenue required to offer base access to education. Private schools on the other hand, accept only the best or richest and a have door tag big enough to supply them with a good operating budget. It's about education when the focus is basic access to those who could not attend otherwise.

Well I just reviewed the new proposed package

AMENDMENT NO. 570
Purpose: In the nature of a substitute.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES—111th Cong., 1st Sess.
H. R. 1

At least theres nothing in there about bees

thats something he won't be talking about

Not in Wi., panchovilla. We have a voucher program so the Public schools have to kick a percentage of thier budget to the Choice schools. It's not a 100% match based on the overhead of the Public school teachers pay and incentives, but a protion calculated on the Child's overhead. It's a great way to allow Parents a choice on where to send the kids without paying thru the nose. And there is nothing in this bill to further grow the program.

Obama can talk....as long as it is pre-arranged, he will talk for an hour and basically say nothing as he did when running for office. Uninformed people voted for this man with his promise for change without any idea what he had in mind. Now we have change, Doom and Gloom. Wake up America, Obama is on his way to our downfall.

I'll tune in.

Just to see how the questions are staged or not --and how much stuttering that one does.

There won't be much new substance as he has said all there is to say for the last 20 days.

#20 | Posted by MURPHY

THIS coming from a bushie? lol

You people are shameful, but kind of funny now that you are irrelevant.

oops, I meant shameLESS ... but I may be guilty of mis-underestimating you.

Blah, fucking Blah....

If the stimulus/social program was such a slam-dunk solution to all our economic woes and the majority of the country was behind BHO and his "Change" agenda, why the hour by hour sales pitches and reminders of his mandate?
That is a rhetorical question that you don't have to answer because the answer is so plainly obvious.

'Dear Sweet President Obama, if you were an apple, what kind of apple would you be?'

Hard hitting question from one of Chris 'leg thrill' Matthew's NBC surrogates.

*******
I love how Hussein uses the politics of fear in everything he does. Change you can beleive in.

The Bully Pulpit in the hands of someone both competent and charismatic. No wonder Joe can't bare to watch.

Yes, run a campaign on 'change' and appoint all Wash insiders. 3 cabinet appointees fail the corruption test. Another appointee, 'tax cheat' heads the IRS.

Charismatic yes, competent, we will see. So far he is out of his league. Poor organization, poor message managment, poor...everything. So far grade D. Below average but passing.

It is amazing how many political favors you can pay back with 800 billion.

They candidate of hope and change morphed into the president of fear and despair. Elections have that effect.

Finally, a president that can say "nuclear"

No kidding. Crisis is now a Catastrophe. Democrats, the Party of Emotion.

I love how Hussein uses the politics of fear in everything he does. Change you can beleive in.

#74 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-02-09 08:11 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Laughable...

In 2003 Faux news was telling me that I needed duck tape and sheet plastic to seal my home in the event of germ war fare.... According to Tom Ridge we were looking at another terrorist attack in the homeland.

The only fear Obama uses is the fact that Republicans will work with him or be left out in the cold... their choice.... we don't need 'em approach... and it drives ass clowns on that side crazy.

I guess 'bi-partisan' means handing a trillion dollar blank check to, Nancy 'the most partisan harpy on earth' Pelosi, and shutting out the republicans from the process.

Nice

"We can't afford the same politics of fear that invokes 9/11 as a way to scare up votes," said President Hussein, "But we can use the spectre of the Great Dperssion to scare up votes for my pork bill."

THIS GUY IS A JOKE!!!

Are the ignorant bastards that voted for this idiot watching this shit?

Sounds to me like a guy trying to cover his ass for a known failure.

HE IS A SOCIALIST

"shutting out the republicans from the process.

Nice"

Terrible Nancy. The republicans have done such a wonderful job with the economy for the last eight years. LOL

again, you are laughable

The only fear Obama uses is the fact that Republicans will work with him or be left out in the cold

lfthndthrds if this is what you think you really are an uninformed idiot.

What did Hussein mean by these quotes?
Although we had a terrible year with respect to jobs last year, the problem is accelerating, not decelerating."

, "A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe."

THIS GUY IS A JOKE!!!

Are the ignorant bastards that voted for this idiot watching this shit?

Sounds to me like a guy trying to cover his ass for a known failure.

HE IS A SOCIALIST

#82 | Posted by USA at 2009-02-09 08:30 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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So tell us boy genius.... whatud you think about the way the last POTUS sounded???

Obama sounds sincere and he's right, he did inherit this entire economic mess.

Is the teleprompter on the fritz again?

The man has been in office all of 3 weeks and hes a failure?

Come on.. Think you might have a wee bit of buyers remorse on your vote to Dubya???

I wonder how much of this bill goes towards gum drops for Bawny Fwanks boy toys?

#84 | Posted by slicksterWilly at 2009-02-09 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Whats your point?

"damn, I need a smoke", inside the mind of President Hussein right now.

Obama sounds sincere and he's right, he did inherit this entire economic mess.
This mess was created by the same clowns who want to spend 800 billion dollars to 'fix' it.

For 800 billion, 90% of American homeowners could have their mortgage paid. Think of how much money that would put into the economy.

But that would not produce the political pay back that this bill is about.

Whats your point?

lfthndthrds, the point is if you support this bill you are either 1) a political hack. 2) an uninformed idiot. 3) both a and b.

From your earlier posting, I think #2 is for you.

Is the teleprompter on the fritz again?

#87 | Posted by wisgod

you relly are an ass.

His first answer alone sould have sent you bushies scurrying for cover. You don't have to agree with him to recognize that he knows what he's talking about. Can you IMAGINE Bush being able to answer questions at length and in detail? lol What a whiny bunch of turds you all sound like.

Get serious or STFU. I would recommend the latter, but I rarely visit here anymore - no real reason to.

We won.

"Things were so much simpler when Billy Ayers and I were hustling money out of Tony Rezko for 'community activism' ahahahaha......I sure miss those days", Inside the mind of President Hussein right now.

For 800 billion, 90% of American homeowners could have their mortgage paid. Think of how much money that would put into the economy.
Posted by slicksterWilly

The ecconomy would turn around in 30 days, and also solve the Banks problem. Hell, I'd even go out and buy a new car. Toyota, but wtf.

We won.

#94 | Posted by midiman

Midiman is Joe Biden? Who knew.....

Very refreshing to have a President who answers questions clearly, doesn't skirt the issues, and puts cogent sentences together one after the other - all without condescending to the press corp.

No one ever knows what Joe Biden is referring to.

Christ AU. With those general questions, Al Jolsen could play the part of the Messiah.

Murph, Scrappy Joe was talking about his success rate using cialis.

"This mess was created by the same clowns who want to spend 800 billion dollars to 'fix' it."

Remind us...was it the Dems who came to Bush & Paulson needing a bailout, or the other way around?

Who the phuck cares about A-roid??

#101 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

Thanks Rex--I need the laugh!

That was definitely a FF!

DOn't ask a Pokiston question--he can't pronounce it.

The Huffington Post????

Where is the 'reporter' from Little Green Footballs?

Is he on 1/2 speed? I'm praying for President Obama.

..but he sure is talking slow, like he's trying to cover his ass...

We won.

#94 | Posted by midiman

and for you fools that is all that matters.

800 Billion for nothing but political payback.

"...but he sure is talking slow..."

Yeah...like he's actually thinking about the words coming out of his mouth.

After the last 8 years, that certainly is unusual.

decidedly underwhelming and uninformative

D -

We won.

#94 | Posted by midiman

No. You didn't win shit. You are a nobody who might have voted.

Just like me.

like he's trying to cover his ass...

#107 | Posted by kirk

Is he standing in front of Biden?

He doesnt' understand the word spending and what that spending goes to is pork and political payback.

Spending for a dog park in Chula Vista does not create jobs--or is that the frisbee park?

He didn't write this bill and let Nancy and Harry write it with little input except some genralizations that they took to mean pork.

All in all he didnt say anything of interest--he made the same talking points he was saying for the last two weeks.

And his doom and gloom is bizarre and fear mongering.

And what is in the spending bill will keep jobs for those RV people in Elkhart, IN?

"So far he is out of his league. Poor organization, poor message managment, poor...everything. So far grade D. Below average but passing."

That's kind of amusing considering he whupped both Clintons and wiped his ass with the republican party by nearly a hundred electorial votes.

It's a fair bet that he is going to shoot the republicans like a bunch of fish in a barrel.

been watching and listening for nearly an hour and am wondering WHEN he's going to answer one question properly.

hey - let's rip the transcript apart tomorrow - what say the rest'y'all?

"DOn't ask a Pokiston question--he can't pronounce it."

You fucking idiot.

Have you ever asked anyone from Pakistan how they pronounce it?

You know Joe Biden never asked any Paki's, he hates those '7/11 workers'...

lol, um, (pause), well that is (pause), um (pause, an um interesting (pause), um (pause) question.

I love PBHO's press conferences. notice how he's calling on people he can't see? 'um, mr./ms. reporter. where are you at?'

'create 4 million new jobs' (ooooops! he goofed once & left out 'save or').

dumbo is on a roll.

Obama's first few answers were about 7 minutes long each ... the same amount of time that Bush sat speechless in that elementary classroom when the towers were attacked on 9/11.

I think I like this better.

Dave--you are the only idiot here.

Can't you take it?

Folks here scream over Bush and nuclear--it's said that way in the south.

BUt do you care butt-breath?

So if Obama is the only one pronouncing Pokiston--we can bring it up as wrong.

I didn't realize Obama was "from" Pakistan.

Do you have a link?

Pock-ee-ston is the correct pronounciation of Pakistan.

Anyone who's ever traveled outside the U.S. would know that.

"Do you have a link?"

Link fer what, dumbass?

Arlen Spector is on Hannity. What a coward. Hope you lose your re-election, asshole.

Listen to the whiny drivel of the critics!! This is so PREDICATBLE of you dolts.

Did anyone on my side REALLY expect any objectivity on your part?

Let's see what the public reaction is.

Imagine tuning in here after all these weeks and finding nanc and muphy still spouting the same horshit they always did - the same people spoouting the same drivel. Just like the repubs they support.

It's a new day, folks, and honestly, at least for the time being, hardly anyone is taking you seriously.

Bravo! What a performance!

How refreshing is it to have a President that is actually knowledgeable, competent, and charismatic, eh?

Someone powerful enough to so master the Bully Pulpit, unafraid of either compromise or righteous ridicule of his opposition.

He showed 'em the hand and the fist.

That was a ten.

He'll be in the next county down here in south Florida tomorrow, where people have been camping in line for a couple of days already.

"So if Obama is the only one pronouncing Pokiston--we can bring it up as wrong."

Murphy, you blithering idiot, just because you're as worldly as a tree stump doesn't mean everyone else is. Sheesh. What a goofball.

Well, righties, bitch and make fun of Obama all you want to. Shows how small you are.

So anyone who has ever travled outside of the United States pronounces Pakistan, Pokistan?

So if a 18 year old college student went to Cancun for spring break, they would return pronouncing Pakistan as Pokistan?

Wow, brillant deduction Holmes.

Ah, that nasty Liberal, Arlen Spector :P

I liked it better when that smug self-righteous dried-up ol' cunt was in her bomb shelter waiting for Jaysus to come down from the clouds.

Fuck off, Cranc, you're the symbol of a failed system.

Oh, and PissoffConsin? Shut the mother fuck up, you out-of-touch douchebag.

I didn't vote for W, but I sure gave him every benefit of the doubt and hoped he'd do well. It wasn't until he started going off about war with Iraq he started losing me. His actions since then only reinforced a well earned disdain.

Right wingers are an immature lot. Not very good Americans either

It's a new day, folks, and honestly, at least for the time being, hardly anyone is taking you seriously.

#124 | Posted by midiman

As long as Miniman doesn't need to fight to find a teat on this pig, he's happy. Oink!

You're a nasty little piece of filth Lettuce....

Oh, and PissoffConsin? Shut the mother fuck up, you out-of-touch douchebag.

#130 | Posted by LetUsPrey

Look who broke into Ma & Pa's liquor cabinet again...

Anyways, big wet turd laid by Hussein tonight, he would have been better off giving another highly partisan speech to a crowd of moronic bobble heads, like he last week.....

"A classic and shrewd use of executive power and the Bully Pulpit." - David Gergen

Cool. Gergen is channeling me.

I wish someone would have asked President Hussein what he thought about Pac Man being released by the Cowboys.

Don't be such a sore loser, Rex.

Anyways, big wet turd....

#136 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-02-09 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag

So I guess a regular vacuum cleaner is out of the question. OK - ShopVac.

this was NOT a press conference this was a speech... all softball questions and Obama took 10 minutes to reply to every stupid question. His entire press conference was a 60 minute run on sentence

Gergen has it right.

I love it Dave, I am glad Hussein won, now I can stand back and take the pot shots ......

#141 | Posted by scottfillmer

Welcome to the Retort, ya whiney-assed little twerp.

And Obama was disengenous when he blames tax cuts on the economy we have today.

It was the friggin greed and banks and brokers and the people on the mortgage industry that caused this problem.

Not the tax cuts.

So when Bush pronounces nuclear like the lower half of the US--that is fair game to belittle and shoot him if you could.

But when Obama pronounces Poskiston like they do in Poskiton--that's ok?

Don't you see the hypocrisy and double standard?

Ah, that nasty Liberal, Arlen Spector :P

#129 | Posted by Corky

He sure as hell isn't a Republican. You folks can have him. Take O. Snow too.

"to a crowd of moronic bobble heads, like he last week....."

Ya gotta love the self-retorting retort.

Don't be such a sore loser, Rex.

#139 | Posted by Dave at 2009-02-09 09:23 PM | Reply | Flag

My impression is that the DR has a lot more sore winners than sore losers.

Just so you right wingers (as opposed to rational Republicans) know, Obama only has 20% disapproval. Gee, wonder who they are?

"...now I can stand back and take the pot shots..."

Too bad ya can't even hit th' broad side o' th' barn with any o' them thar "shots".

-Take O. Snow too.

Already done, spank you very much!

My impression is that the DR has a lot more sore winners than sore losers.

{yawn}

Murph, anyone who has ever gone to Canada pronounces it Pokistan, sheessh, everyone knows that.

"Don't you see the hypocrisy and double standard?

#145 | Posted by MURPHY"

Oh for Christ's sake, are you going to rant on endlessly about Obama's fucking pronunciation of fucking Pakistan?

My impression is that the DR has a lot more sore winners than sore losers.

{yawn}

#152 | Posted by YAV at 2009-02-09 09:30 PM | Reply | Flag

See? Can't even be bothered to stand up and cheer. Disgraceful.

President Hussein

"Nasty little piece of filth" indeed...

Null - how would you pronounce "Barbara Hernandez?"

Oh for Christ's sake, are you going to rant on endlessly about Obama's fucking pronunciation of fucking Pakistan?

#154 | Posted by nullifidian

Are you going to rant on endlessly about Bush's pronounciation of nuclear?

Dave, I hit right between the eyes, that's what makes me so effective.

President Hussein has 64% of the planet slobbering over him, my 'undying love' won't be missed.

Opposition is always needed, and Hussein stands for almost nothing I do.

The republicans lost because they served up a weak bowl of soup with McCain, things will be different next time.

I wonder if anyone will ask, what happened to the first $700 billion you voted for? -- #8 | Posted by rightisright

"Mr Geithner is unlikely to ask the US Congress for more money to fund the bail-out at this stage, given approximately half of the original $700bn bail-out funds remains," -- #17 | Posted by Corky

Let's try that link again:

Ari Fleisher, Bush Comm Dir on FOX = "We are in a serious and heavy time, and Obama was serious and heavy."

In comments lauding the Prez's performance.

Or Mike Hunt?

The republicans lost because they spent 8 years acting like you, rex. ("president hussein")

Arrogant, mean, and stupid. Enjoy the wilderness...you've earned it.

Alex--why so touchy--Obama used his middle name Hussein in his Oath.

"Dave, I hit right between the eyes, that's what makes me so effective."

We're not talking porn here, Rex.

And the Washington Compost guy with the goofy A-roid question.

decidedly underwhelming and uninformative

D -

#110 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

Only because he could walk on water and feed a coupla hundred people with one fish-and turn water into wine-and you guys would STILL bitch and whine about everything he says and does.

I give him AT LEAST a B+

Alexa, do you miss me?

How sweet....

Or Mike Hunt?

#163 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-02-09 09:35 PM

That's still one of my favorite scenes in Porky's.

"Are you going to rant on endlessly about Bush's pronounciation of nuclear?

#158 | Posted by MURPHY "

Goofy, I've never made a post or comment about Bush's pronunciation, you petty little crybaby.

Phoenix. you may notice that a lot of these bright boys lost their own shirts, meaning that there was as much gross incompetence involved in these losses as there was malfescence.

When the barn is on fire, you often have to put out the fire before you shoot the cow.

And the Washington Compost guy with the goofy A-roid question.

Timely, but not that important. What was up with ol' Major's (Fox News) question? Poor guy sounded like he was drinking the Fox kool-aid. He sure got it splashed back in his face.

like he's trying to cover his ass...

#107 | Posted by kirk

Is he standing in front of Biden?

#112 | Posted by wisgod

Now that is talent!

Frank, Hussein got the softball treament of the decade and even that was tough for him to deal with.

He bloviated and hemmed and hawwed for an hour.

He brought nothing new to the table with that press conference and after watching his left wing hit speech last week, I know that bi-partinship is just buzz word he uses and doesn't mean.

Murph, anyone who has ever gone to Canada pronounces it Pokistan, sheessh, everyone knows that.

#153 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-02-09 09:31 PM

Most of the rest of the world pronounces it this way. Rex is correct.

As my German relatives always say, America is the only Country with a flat A sound.

Null--you can't--I know you are not that dull.

That was the point from the beginning of his pronounciation of Pockiston and comparing it to Bush pronounciation of nuclear.

Do you see the double standard?

Timely, but not that important. What was up with ol' Major's (Fox News) question? Poor guy sounded like he was drinking the Fox kool-aid. He sure got it splashed back in his face.

#173 | Posted by YAV at

Really?

Is that why Obama didn't know what the phuck Joe was referring to?

Real slap there..

What other American's pronounce Pockiston like that other than Obama?

Anyone?

Is that why Obama didn't know what the phuck Joe was referring to?

Maybe, and this is a wild guess (ok, not so wild) Biden didn't say anything like that and Major fucked it up. Again. Duh.

Briwo, I was joking about Unity's comment.

And people pronounce the names of countries differently by region, I don't call Italy, Italia.

Or Washington state, Warshington state.

For 800 billion, 90% of American homeowners could have their mortgage paid. Think of how much money that would put into the economy. -- #92 | Posted by slicksterWilly

The ecconomy would turn around in 30 days, and also solve the Banks problem. Hell, I'd even go out and buy a new car. Toyota, but wtf. -- #96 | Posted by wisgod

And the Washington Compost wastes the time with a nonsensical question about A-roid.

Talk about softball.

That was softball.

"That was the point from the beginning of his pronounciation of Pockiston and comparing it to Bush pronounciation of nuclear."

Nobody gives a fuck.

Frank, Hussein got the softball treament of the decade and even that was tough for him to deal with.

He bloviated and hemmed and hawwed for an hour.

Are you SURE you weren't just watching a tape of one bushie's Press conferences?

I certainly didn't hear any softball questions...unless you mean-there weren't enough Fox "journalists" around to make up some phony attack questions.....

I thought Obama did a good job.

Alex--why so touchy--Obama used his middle name Hussein in his Oath.

#165 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-02-09 09:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

FigDo I really have to explain how constantly referring to Obama as "president hussein" is ugly?

Figure out.

Hey Murphy...your "point" is crap. Bush pronounced Nuclear wrong.(as did carter, which he is still made fun of about) Obama pronounced Pakistan correctly.

By all means, keep bringing up marble mouth W and comparing him to Obama.

Are you SURE you weren't just watching a tape of one bushie's Press conferences?

Rex still think Guckert (Jeff Gannon) asked tough questions.

That was the point from the beginning of his pronounciation of Pockiston and comparing it to Bush pronounciation of nuclear.

Do you see the double standard?

#177 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-02-09 09:43 PM

Not really. Nuclear is pronounced NEW CLEE-ER

Pakistan is actually, indeed, correctly, pronounced POCKY STAHN.

He pointed out that with the money being spent on the bailout, they could cut FICA taxes in 1/2 -- which helps BOTH workers and their employers. per Phoenix

That is the best idea that these assholes who got us into this mess could do.

But no--we get to put our great great grandkids in debt with ideas like 500 million for a friggin dog park.

I thought Obama did a good job.

#185 | Posted by frankf2.5

Did he sell you on the stimulus plan, short crank?

Not really. Nuclear is pronounced NEW CLEE-ER

Pakistan is actually, indeed, correctly, pronounced POCKY STAHN.

#188 | Posted by briwo at 2009-02-09 09:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Briwo I already tried. Now Murphy is asking which of us actually pronounces stuff right.

Gee, not me! I'm an ignorant dumb ass just like you, murphy! /snark.

Frank, I actually did watch GW's press conferences, and for the last 3 years he has been masterful.

Bush ran his press conferences like a teacher giving a class, he had full knowledge of the facts and gave clear concise awnsers.

He wasn't very good when he started but he was the master by the end.

President Hussein has 3 years and 11 months to get better.

What other American's pronounce Pockiston like that other than Obama?

Anyone?

#179 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-02-09 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Americans from Pakistan.

I really tire of the "I'm an ignoramus therefore I'm 'real'" bullshit from Republicans these days. Eight years of being righteously stupid will do that to a person I suppose...

Rex-
re: Frank, I actually did watch GW's press conferences, and for the last 3 years he has been masterful....

Is it safe to say that you are a fuckin' idiot?

I think so.

Wrong guys--

The way Bush pronounces nuclear is the same as the southern states.

Make fun you liberal friggin elites (and you didn't even go to an Ivy League school but act like you did) who don't give a flying fig about this debt/deficit by this POTUS to put kids for the next three generations in debt to pay for it.

Not to mention the inflation that is to come to wipe us out.

but he was the master by the end.

LOL...You smoke crack.

Hey, betel. Some of us american born folk pronounce it right, too.

Eight years of being righteously stupid will do that to a person I suppose...

It looks like the damage is permanent.

Wrong guys--

The way Bush pronounces nuclear is the same as the southern states.

Which makes them right because?

It doesn't.

The way Bush pronounces nuclear is the same as the southern states.

As someone that was born and raised in the South I can honestly say you are completely full of shit on that.

Not completely-wissy-wussy-unlike you-I'm willing to allow some time for the people in charge to address the problems.

BTW-what is yours and whine-oh-whine's, and rexxy's OBSESSION with the length or girth of my pecker?
Not one of you has any chance of ever having it-so give it up, already....My wife will get REALLY pissed at you guys...

For 800 billion, 90% of American homeowners could have their mortgage paid. Think of how much money that would put into the economy. -- #92 | Posted by slicksterWilly

The ecconomy would turn around in 30 days, and also solve the Banks problem. Hell, I'd even go out and buy a new car. Toyota, but wtf. -- #96 | Posted by wisgod

I've been proposing this for months, both here and on FWRN. Could you imagine the infusion of consumer cash into the economy if 90% of Americans got the deed to their homes, free and clear, in the mail?

Talk about disposable income.
But from what little I learned about Economics in the required college courses, I have a feeling this would probably have some kind of major ramifications, but I can't find any economists position on this proposal.

-friggin dog park.

Dogs need jobs, too.

"Murphey! Sit!"

Fifi, hey boy....how you doin?

That's a good boy, a GOOD boy....

How is my favorite ankle yipper today?

90% of Americans got the deed to their homes, free and clear, in the mail?

Hm. 5 years ago that amount was ~6 Trillion dollars in outstanding mortgage debt in the United States.

Corky--go kill some pests.

Woof!

Rex, I heard rumors you moved? Still in WA and just move off the penninsula, or out of State altogether?
("Out of State")
-Airplane

He wasn't very good when he started but he was the master by the end.

President Hussein has 3 years and 11 months to get better.

#192 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

BWAAAHHH!!!
MasterBATOR-you mean! That's the ONLY thing that bastard's EVER "mastered".......
bushie CAN'T string more than 2 words together without screwing up at least ten words on a row.

You a UW alum Murph?

< class of 02' and 04'.

My wife will get REALLY pissed at you guys...

#200 | Posted by frankf2.5

Does anything longer than 3" normally piss her off?
I'll bet hot dogs are off the menu at the 2.5 household....

Here for Corky--

Reading over this thread...

It's pretty obvious who the Palin fans among our republican friends were/are. THey stand out like a radioactive waste.

Hint: The really stupid ones.

Frank, please, you're spitting all over the other children.

Hm. 5 years ago that amount was ~6 Trillion dollars in outstanding mortgage debt in the United States.

#204 | Posted by YAV at 2009-02-09 09:57 PM

See this is the info I tried to find.

Now is that total loan debt (with all interest over 30 yrs paid) or actual property value debt?

-go kill some pests.

Leave Rex out of this! :D

No Rex--

I attended a University in northern CA.

But we did live in Seattle for 6 years and Paige was born there.

Cramping again Alexa?

You seem a little cranky.

I attended a University in northern CA.

Ask for a refund.

You seem a little cranky.

#216 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-02-09 10:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

You seem a lot stupid. Deja Vu.

Phoenix. you may notice that a lot of these bright boys lost their own shirts, meaning that there was as much gross incompetence involved in these losses as there was malfescence.--#172 | Posted by Corky

Right. So the answer is to write those bright boys a $700B blank check?

That's the part that blew my mind as soon as I saw the bill. I had no problem admitting that I didn't fully understand the problem, and so maybe TARP was more sensible than it looked.

But in what world do you trust (A) the incompetent people who screwed things up in the first place, and (B) a treasury sec'y who will be looking for a job in the banking sector 3 months later, with $700B to dole out to bankers with no effective oversight?!

When the barn is on fire, you often have to put out the fire before you shoot the cow. -- #172 | Posted by Corky

"The way Bush pronounces nuclear is the same as the southern states."

"Nuclear" and "the southern states" are pronounced differently, Jethro.

ha ha

Just read some of these Repubilly NeoCon posts and watch evil demented RepubliSatanic senators bitch about:

* not staying the course

* not continuing $25 billion dollars per month for spending bills to over-fund contracts to kill women and kids in Iraq

* not continuing to bleed 600,000 a month in jobs overseas due to Bush incentives designed to directly increase profits only for the wealthiest

* not continuing to erode our prisons, states, police forces, technology and infrastructure
(all while stealing $25 billion/month to blow up and build them for strangers in Iraq - see above)

And you fucking ditto-shaivos are too Rush brain-fucked to appreciate an intelligent problem solving Leader who wants to do exactly the opposite of what your fucked up drunk criminal cowboy regime looted from all of us and our Kids..!?

And you wonder why we call y'all RepulibTARDED... !??
Seriously..!???

I thought you'd like that.

You know-Alex, I really feel sorry for wissy-wussy-rexxy, whine-oh-whine, and every OTHER Rtard that seem to be SOOOOO obsessed with my pecker.

Frank- We all have our little obsessions.

(sorry)

TARP 1 was wrong and TARP 2 is going to be no better.

This spending bill is a farce and they are not going to create any jobs.

I am not going to disagree with all the spending--but giving 7 jerks at MIT jobs for global warming research money does not create jobs--NOW!!

Our problems are acute--not chronic.

And Obama just wants a pork bill for political payback.

He is misinformed about Japan and their spending which did nothing.

FDR New Deal did nothing for 10 friggin years.

- a $700B blank check?

Obama has put together a better package for the second half of that yet to be spent
money, with tougher conditions and more transparency. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good, ot even the not as bad.

I'll check out the article, but the argument is whether to pass this Bill, and the answer becomes more obvious all the time.

You know-Alex, I really feel sorry for wissy-wussy-rexxy, whine-oh-whine, and every OTHER Rtard that seem to be SOOOOO obsessed with my pecker.

#224 | Posted by frankf2.5

Pecker? Does your wife darn your socks with her "pecker"?

#172 | Posted by Corky

BTW, I didn't mean to imply that *you* were corrupt for supporting the bailout. I think you trusted the wrong people. Dennis the K had it right!

Just for kicks though, Murphy:

"Nuclear" is pronounced as spelled. If I were to spell it phonetically, it would go something like this:

Nu*kle*er. Nu cle ar. Noo kle er. ...

Wisgod- Your wife has a pecker? I thought "she" got that thing cut off.

Briwo, it's been a while since I looked up the number, but that figure (6 T) was for P V outstanding, not future value.

Wisgod- Your wife has a pecker? I thought "she" got that thing cut off.

#231 | Posted by Alexandrite

Try to make sense. Use a Mulligan....

Sure Dennis had it right, but Dennis didn't have a chance and Barack did. And I think that, no matter how he has voted or what he might say about how he might vote, that if it were only up to him, at this moment, he would vote for this Bill.

And you fucking ditto-shaivos are too Rush brain-fucked to appreciate an intelligent problem solving Leader who wants to do exactly the opposite of what your fucked up drunk criminal cowboy regime looted from all of us and our Kids..!?
#222 | Posted by gunner at 2009-02-09 10:04 PM

I believe the correct term is Flushbots.

Whoa, you're on a role tonight, Alexandrite.

Knocking out one-liners right and left.

ff's 4 u!

I think Frank has gone off the queer end, Fifi is still humping the nulcear couch, and Alexa needs a roll of paper towels to staunch the heavy flow.

Gunner- "And you wonder why we call y'all RepulibTARDED... !??
Seriously..!???"

Oh yea and your a demotard and who here is a leberaltard oh yea? What about obamatard any of those out there?

Grow up will ya and try to bring some intelligence to this place. I really wonder how many adults come here as opposed to children and in your case those with an IQ of 100 and below and those above.

Oh yea now what can you say about that retarditard....did I kinda get a hang of this cool talk or am I missing something? Just cant wait for a lesson from the pro's

The one thing A Roid and President Hussein have in common, is they can both lie right to your face and never blink.

Briwo, it's been a while since I looked up the number, but that figure (6 T) was for P V outstanding, not future value.

#232 | Posted by YAV at 2009-02-09 10:10 PM

If that's so, and it's all "homes" and not businesses, aprtments etc, then that's would be about 4 trillion too much to handle.

But, shit, even cutting the debt in half and reducing the interest burden so more went to principle it would help.
More disposable income means more spending, buying and jobs.

well, no ff for your #231 though

Hey Briwo, I bought a 14 game pack for the Rainiers last week. Should be a good year.

Rex- Pop Quiz: What has more leather?

a) A catchers mitt.

b) your new vagina.

blink an eye and 10 posts have passed by before you can even get your own put up.

But, shit, even cutting the debt in half and reducing the interest burden so more went to principle it would help.
More disposable income means more spending, buying and jobs.

#240 | Posted by briwo

Exactly. I think it would work better than a tax holiday. And I know a certain tavern that would greatly benefit...

Briwo, I found a table - read the caveats. Total for 2007 (non-farm/commercial) looks like 11.8T. These numbers depend on sources. The Census data (reliable but old, since 1999 is the last year) had 1999 at 6.3T (home and multifamily).

Hey Murphy...your "point" is crap. Bush pronounced Nuclear wrong.(as did carter, which he is still made fun of about) Obama pronounced Pakistan correctly.

By all means, keep bringing up marble mouth W and comparing him to Obama.

#186 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009-02-09 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Incorrect. The preferred American pronunciation has a flat A sound. What country is he from? What country is he talking to? Since the answer to both these questions is "America" he's not speaking correctly.

Unless it's okay to type "colour" and "neighbour" and call it a "lift", because the rest of the world does, you're talking out your ass, making excuses for Obama and refusing to admit even the slightest POSSIBLE error on his part.

I can't find any economists position on this proposal. -- #201 | Posted by briwo

Well, remember that 4 (5?) Nobel laureates in Econ opposed the bailout bill.

Paying off all mortgages is DOA -- all the folks who have been renting b/c they knew they couldn't afford a mortgage would be up in arms. But Econ Nobel winner Stiglitz is among those who proposed aid to homeowners before the bailout bill was passed:

(non-farm, non-commercial) just single and multifamily mortgage debt - columns 4 and 5.

Just so you right wingers (as opposed to rational Republicans) know, Obama only has 20% disapproval. Gee, wonder who they are?

sas-origin.onstreammedia.com">GALLUP - President Obama Approval/Disapproval.

#149 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Califchris-

Is Goatman as passionate a lover as we think he is?

; )

Seriously, though...How have you been? I haven't see you in ages.

Rex- Pop Quiz: What has more leather?

a) A catchers mitt.

b) your new vagina

C) Alex's palm after stumbling on a gay porn site.

The one thing A Roid .... can ... lie right to your face and never blink.

#239 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-02-09 10:15 PM

Rex, Gay Rod made his own bed and now he has to lie in it. Never happened to a more deserving bitch.
Watching lie and "blink back tears" on TV when he explained about all the "pressure" he was under in TX.
Hey, A-Roid!! You're the one who signed the 252 million dollar contract.

.400 average in April

.115 in October

had the rangers asked Seattle fans after the 2000 season, we could have saved them aot of money.

A-Roid could NEVER hit in the clutch or the playoffs.
If the fans get into his head at any point in the season, he can't hit.

Usually is near or at the top of the Error list every year.

pathetic.

making excuses for Obama and refusing to admit even the slightest POSSIBLE error on his part.

Yeah, cuz I do that ALL the time. I didn't post TODAY how upset I was with the guy or anything.

Partisan twerp.

#252: FF!

Pay Roid is destroyed now.

C) Alex's palm after stumbling on a gay porn site.

#252 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-02-09 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Stumbling? I run one.

And I deserve better work out of you, mr. fluffer.

Murph you ignorant political whore

Again, you demonstrate how sick and evil non-compassionate, non-christian non-conservative's true colors by calling Americans and their Project "PORK".
How fucking DARE you insult my People!

ReflubliCons Refused $300 Million (with an M) for POLICE

Reflublicons Refused $98 Million (also with an M) for SCHOOL NUTRITION

ReplubliCrooks Refused $20 Billion in projects for Americans to help Americans and build America after demanding $trillions for strangers in Iraq
also while $20 billion remains "lost" in IRAQ with absolutely no interest or concern from one single republiCriminal?

Paying off all mortgages is DOA.

Of course it is. If the Gov't helped everyone own their home, the banks wouldn't have property as assets on their balance sheets. Instead, they'd be begging people to borrow against their equity.

By owning homes, the people would spend money on other things - and that money wouldn't reach the banks directly.

By bailing banks, the banks keep the deeds and don't go under. Then, they take the homes away to re-sell (probably still over valued) to another and still they have the Gov't money that people actually believe will be paid back.

Thanks Bri. Alex, it's all in fun. Don't sick Franks wife on me.

"By that logic, Joe shouldn't read his own posts."

The difference being, Obama is a president, not a lawyer, and therefore has more of a duty to be straightforward and non-evasive. Of course, you knew that, but couldn't help giving the standard form response.

Gunner is Dirtyrightboy, or whatever, isn't he?

Put it this way: An American saying "oockistan" is just as pretentious and assinine as those Americans who roll their r's when tallking about Mexican food.

I assure you. In other countries, they pronounce words as if they were native words as well. When you go to another country, their pronunciation of English words might sound odd, but they also might be COREECT... for that country.

Just because we are America doesn't mean we're exempted from having preferred country pronunciations of foreign words. That's not a right citizens of other countries have but we don't. If I go to Pakistan and use a flat A sound, they might snigger and giggle; but they'll also know I'm from America. Conversely, if you don't use it IN America, you might as well just put on a fake British accent while you're at it.

Thanks Bri. Alex, it's all in fun. Don't sick Franks wife on me.

#260 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-02-09 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Relax, she's leashed and muzzled at the moment.

It's all in fun here too.

Wis, why are you so interested in franks penis? Is the davinci code written on his shaft or something?

Hey Briwo, I bought a 14 game pack for the Rainiers last week. Should be a good year.

#242 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-02-09 10:18 PM

I started going single game after the new owners bought in. Prior to that we had the Saturday Give Away pack.

I always try to sit in 222 or 224. 226 isn't bad either.

Hey Gummer, you're a lowlife dude....

Take your foul mouth somewhere else and spout your trash there.

Conversely, if you don't use it IN America, you might as well just put on a fake British accent while you're at it.

#263 | Posted by soheifox at 2009-02-09 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think betel summed it up nicely tonight:

I really tire of the "I'm an ignoramus therefore I'm 'real'" bullshit from Republicans these days. Eight years of being righteously stupid will do that to a person I suppose...

#193 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-02-09 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is the davinci code written on his shaft or something?

#264 | Posted by Alexandrite

I'd tip my hat to anyone who could pull that off.

It's related to something he posted about 8 months ago. He's caught hell ever since. And he know's it was the first time he's satisfied anyone, right Frankie?

Yeah, cuz I do that ALL the time. I didn't post TODAY how upset I was with the guy or anything.

Partisan twerp.

#254 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009-02-09 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag

You... DO do it all the time. You're actually one of the biggest offenders of it. A cursory examination of your post history shows it.

Do you even know what party I am? Do you know anything about my politics? Or did you just see an attack on your guy Obama and automatically assume something?

I bought a Stadium seating package.....I got a really good deal from one of the 'vice presidents of operations'*.....

*(some kid in a suit)

'night all. Frank, tell the Mrs. her shoes have been stretched and are ready for Pick-up Tuesday.

You... DO do it all the time. You're actually one of the biggest offenders of it.

Whatever. I told everyone today how upset I was with Obama, posted a krugman article explaining why, since he did a better job of it.

If you've seen me defend the guy, it's basically from the vile bullshit from idiots that called him a secret muslim, call him by his middle name, said he blew limo drivers, sold crack, called him Osama, or some other dumb ass shit I'm tired of seeing.

Obama is a president, not a lawyer, and therefore has more of a duty to be straightforward and non-evasive. "
#261 | Posted by Lawyer JOE

You have a point there. One expects lawyers to be weasly and evasive.

I really tire of the "I'm an ignoramus therefore I'm 'real'" bullshit from Republicans these days. Eight years of being righteously stupid will do that to a person I suppose...

#193 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-02-09 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

BetelG:

There's a thing called the "preferred American pronunciation". If you are an American and using the Preferred American Pronunciation, you are NOT in the wrong.

Insisting otherwise actually makes YOU the silly ignoramus. Go find a communications, lit, or journalism major and they'll explain it to you in big giant long drawn out, passionate posts.

Actually, go find an American DICTIONARY. Look up Pakistan. In each and every one, the flat a pronunciation will be the first. In the Merriam Webster, "pock"istan is not even listed AS a pronunciation of the word. It's also the preferred pronunciation in Canada. I know it feels weird to realize that America IS allowed to pronounce words differently then other countries, but America IS a country. We ARE allowed to have preferred pronunciations of foreign words. Like other countries have.

But, feel free to continue calling me uneducated because I'm aware of how a word is supposed to be pronounced in America. Fact is, unless Obama is FROM some other country, then Obama is saying it wrong. he is using a non-native accent.

Sure Dennis had it right, but Dennis didn't have a chance and Barack did. -- #234 | Posted by Corky

Yeah, and he went all sheep on us. Some leadership.

And I think that, no matter how he [Dennis the K] has voted or what he might say about how he might vote, that if it were only up to him, at this moment, he would vote for this Bill. -- #234 | Posted by Corky

LOL. Ok, ok...

If you've seen me defend the guy, it's basically from the vile bullshit from idiots that called him a secret muslim, call him by his middle name, said he blew limo drivers, sold crack, called him Osama, or some other dumb ass shit I'm tired of seeing.

#272 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009-02-09 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

And yet you defend him when he is SPEAKING INCORRECTLY with just as much vigor and vim and anger as if I had said he blew a guy for coke. You have actually been proven WRONG, and still defend the guy.

Think about that for a few minutes.

I think Soheifox just gave Alex a timeout.

Nose in the corner mister! er, ms.?

Take your foul truth somewhere else and spout your truth there.

#266 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

Hey Zeit

How about letting an actual thought vibrate between your ears instead of LimpBong's pretend-to-be-important fake deep voice training you to always attack the messenger, ignore the message
( *except paid messages from your fat pig "cuddly" 6-divorce teen-ho-visitin drug-addicted "moral" messiah is allowing you )

PLEASE Explain why this is "Porkulus" simply because it helps actual Americans or is not another "tax cut for the wealthiest":

$98 million for School Nutrition (for our kids and America's next generation),
$300 million for Police (to protect us),
$100 million for Prisons (to protect us)

Your Criminal minded Messiahs tell you that Good Policy is:
$100s and 100s of billions for spending to do exactly the same for IRAQS
(at 8000% overcost and under rsults)

Are you dittos truly Evil or simply Stupid?? choose fast

re: "...an American and using the Preferred American Pronunciation..."

Is that like the short American bus, or how American Cheese Food is cheese? Can you point me to the bylaws of what is tolerable provincial ignorance and what is not according to the platinum card of pronunciation: the average American!

Mencken was right, much as it pains me to say.

Ooops. I was mildly incorrect. The sound Obama is using is listed in the Merriam Webster as a "foreign pronunciation". It was just at the bottom of the definition and not in the accepted pronunciations part.

" If you are an American and using the Preferred American Pronunciation, you are NOT in the wrong."

True.

Agreed that Americans rolling their r's when saying words like "burrito" is idiotic.

How Obama pronounces "Pakistan" is about the pettiest issue imaginable.

-Some leadership

You're right, two weeks is long enough!

Impeach the bastard!

Hey Gummer, I know I used to be your hero, so listen carefully.

Calling a woman a whore and using the 'c' word, is no way to make a point.

Clean up your act the old days are over.

And yet you defend him when he is SPEAKING INCORRECTLY with just as much vigor and vim and anger as if I had said he blew a guy for coke.

You want to know why you see "anger" or "vigor" in my response?

Here's your opening post to me:

Unless it's okay to type "colour" and "neighbour" and call it a "lift", because the rest of the world does, you're talking out your ass, making excuses for Obama and refusing to admit even the slightest POSSIBLE error on his part.

#247 | Posted by soheifox at 2009-02-09 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

And it's all because you assumed this before you even typed to me today:

You... DO do it all the time. You're actually one of the biggest offenders of it. A cursory examination of your post history shows it.

Think about that for a few minutes.

Then think about the fact that I railed against Obama's FISA vote. Of course, that was long enough ago that you can't find it in a cursory examination of my post history.

But jesus Christ, the guy has been president for three weeks, and I'm only pissed off at him for a few things so far. Should I rant about him like rex zeitgeist does, just so a douchebag like you doesn't accuse me of shilling for the guy?

Nullifidian-
It IS a bit edifying, though.

The righties argue that Obama is too correct, so conditioned to average failure and the gentleman's "c".

$98 million for School Nutrition (for our kids and America's next generation)
#279 | Posted by gunner
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Funny, Obama wants future generations to bear a $10 trillion dollar debt so that they can enjoy $98 million dollars in school lunch programs.

WHAT A HERO!!!!!!

Is that like the short American bus, or how American Cheese Food is cheese? Can you point me to the bylaws of what is tolerable provincial ignorance and what is not according to the platinum card of pronunciation: the average American!

Mencken was right, much as it pains me to say.

#280 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-02-09 10:42 PM | Reply | Flag

American Cheese Food is exactly what it claims to be. The proper American name FOR that substance is "cheese food". You're flailing for analogies and failing here. All you did there was reinforce MY point.

The Dictionary MUST BE the final authority in proper grammatical usage of words or you are insane. You are actually claiming that you know better then the institutes that study this for a living. At some point in some situations you have to accept appeal to authority, when in other situations it's fallacious. Yes, the peopel who study how Americans talk and write VERY MUCH ARE the authority on how Americans say and write words.

Or, to put it another way: If you can't accept the DICTIONARIES as reliable sources for how words are pronounced and spelled, then you aren't worth arguing with, because the only proof of anything you will EVER accept is your own personal opinion on a subject. Claiming the American DICTIONARIES are wrong on how Americans should pronounce a word is pure insanity.

The Nether-
re: Funny, Obama wants future generations to bear a $10 trillion dollar debt....

Obama was greeted with a "$10 trillion dollar debt" the day he assumed office. Should I go on?

"Well, righties, bitch and make fun of Obama all you want to. Shows how small you are.

#127 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2009-02-09 09:13 PM | Reply | Flag:"

just trying to measure down to where you all were when making fun of the last guy. paybacks really are a bitch - honestly, this potus makes a box of rocks look like they could make it through kindergarten.

...Paulson et. al. exploited the crisis to further their goal of consolidating the banking industry -- www.nytimes.com. -- #219 | Posted by Phoenix

For some reason that link isn't working now. It's to a 24Oct08 New York Times article by Joe Nocera. Here's an excerpt:

In point of fact, the dirty little secret of the banking industry is that it has no intention of using the money to make new loans. But this executive was the first insider who's been indiscreet enough to say it within earshot of a journalist.

(He didn't mean to, of course, but I obtained the call-in number and listened to a recording.)

"Twenty-five billion dollars is obviously going to help the folks who are struggling more than Chase," he began. "What we do think it will help us do is perhaps be a little bit more active on the acquisition side or opportunistic side for some banks who are still struggling. And I would not assume that we are done on the acquisition side just because of the Washington Mutual and Bear Stearns mergers. I think there are going to be some great opportunities for us to grow in this environment, and I think we have an opportunity to use that $25 billion in that way and obviously depending on whether recession turns into depression or what happens in the future, you know, we have that as a backstop."

Read that answer as many times as you want you are not going to find a single word in there about making loans to help the American economy. On the contrary: at another point in the conference call, the same executive (who I'm not naming because he didn't know I would be listening in) explained that "loan dollars are down significantly." He added, "We would think that loan volume will continue to go down as we continue to tighten credit to fully reflect the high cost of pricing on the loan side." In other words JPMorgan has no intention of turning on the lending spigot.

It is starting to appear as if one of Treasury's key rationales for the recapitalization program namely, that it will cause banks to start lending again is a fig leaf, Treasury's version of the weapons of mass destruction.

In fact, Treasury wants banks to acquire each other and is using its power to inject capital to force a new and wrenching round of bank consolidation. As Mark Landler reported in The New York Times earlier this week, "the government wants not only to stabilize the industry, but also to reshape it." Now they tell us.

Indeed, Mr. Landler's story noted that Treasury would even funnel some of the bailout money to help banks buy other banks. And, in an almost unnoticed move, it recently put in place a new tax break, worth billions to the banking industry, that has only one purpose: to encourage bank mergers. As a tax expert, Robert Willens, put it: "It couldn't be clearer if they had taken out an ad."

American Cheese Food is exactly what it claims to be. The proper American name FOR that substance is "cheese food". You're flailing for analogies and failing here. All you did there was reinforce MY point.

You're a funny man. I should give you credit for your sense of humor.

Funny, Obama wants future generations to bear a $10 trillion dollar debt

Sorry, that was the last President

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!! (with a trillion over to spare)

Soheifox- So you're going to hump murphy's leg for the pronunciation of "nuclear" excuses she made earlier, right?

I thought not. You're on the "everyone that likes Obama somewhat is an excuse making jerk" routine tonight. Give it a rest.

Find another petty topic to mine. This one is exhausted.

Obama was greeted with a "$10 trillion dollar debt" the day he assumed office. Should I go on?

#289 | Posted by BetelG
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PLEASE!!!

tell me how $10 trillion more borrowed money fixes a problem caused by borrowing money!

paybacks really are a bitch - honestly, this potus makes a box of rocks look like they could make it through kindergarten.

#290 | Posted by nanc at 2009-02-09 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

And that IS what it's about: payback. It's that simple with some.

#258 | Posted by gunner

Hey cupcake--

You obviously missed everything I posted about the TARP1 fiasco.

And Null is so correct on the pettiness of pointing out the pronounciation about words. (That was the point all along).

But won't admit there is a double standard on Bush's nuclear and Obama's Pockiston.

Now it's time for 24--Later....

PLEASE!!!

tell me how $10 trillion more borrowed money fixes a problem caused by borrowing money!

#295 | Posted by the_nether at 2009-02-09 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tell me where you got the number("$10 trillion")?

Soheifox- So you're going to hump murphy's leg for the pronunciation of "nuclear" excuses she made earlier, right?

I thought not. You're on the "everyone that likes Obama somewhat is an excuse making jerk" routine tonight. Give it a rest.

Find another petty topic to mine. This one is exhausted.

#294 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009-02-09 10:51 PM | Reply | Flag

You STILL think I'm a Republican? The reason I savage Democrats is because I expect BETTER of them then the blind idiotic defense that the Right offered of Bush.

You must understand, Fuchs...

Boyd is very cosmopolitan.

He has little use for provincial behaviour regarding reactions to how those like him colour their words.

I didn't see a mention of your political party, SoHei

$9.7 Trillion. I rounded up.

And woe...he fears Mencken was right.

*sigh*

Nether - are you seriously that stupid??

Are you NOT aware that BUSH stole more as $6,000,000,000,000 in National Debt in 8 years than America had owed for the previous 224 years..!??

Dumbya and his Pals stole $6 trillion

And now the Republi-CON Artists with the bellowing LimpBong are suddenly concerned about Spending..!?

Your evil Bastards refused the $98 million for the Kids just like the BUSH VETO for Health Care for Kids

Facts prove time and again - RepubliCrooks HATE Americans and anyone not the ultra wealthiest

They paid well to train you Ditto-shaivos to march in step with actually HATING "Spread the Wealth" (to You - morons) but rather "funnel the Wealth" in constant $5 TRILLION in Tax Cuts to benefit mostly the Royalists ..!??

Grow a brain cell
and stop sucking Rush's crusty pimply fat ass so Hard each Day!

You STILL think I'm a Republican?

I said you were being partisan. I didn't say you were republican.

Libertarian is what I assumed from your previous posts. Correct me if I'm wrong.

-Some leadership

You're right, two weeks is long enough!

Impeach the bastard!

#283 | Posted by Corky

C'mon. Don't weasel out of my criticism of Obama's bailout vote by taking my comment out of context.

I haven't given up on Obama -- I agree it's too early to pass judgment on his presidency.

I gather you're working for someone in the Dem Party, which is fine. I'm not. I'm just an ordinary citizen who believes it's important to hold our elected leaders accountable.

Boyd is very cosmopolitan.

He has little use for provincial behaviour regarding reactions to how those like him colour their words.

#300 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-02-09 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag: Cosmopolitan Jacque uses British spelling

Betel- You have a barnacle. It has the appearance of coming from the time of cave men, yet it can use a computer.

You're a funny man. I should give you credit for your sense of humor.

#292 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-02-09 10:51 PM | Reply | Flag

Let's make this clear: You actually think you know more about how Americans should properly pronounce words then Merriam-Webster, Oxford, Cambridge, (yes, they make American editions too!) and American Heritage combined.

I may be funny, but you're an idiot or certifiably insane. You're like bOoB, set out with a conclusion and won't let "facts" and "experts" get in the way. Whether you like it or not, America DOES have accepted and unaccepted ways of pronouncing words, and American Dictionaries ARE where this information is stored.

This means you and Obama are, in fact, both wrong. Is it a big giant huge wrong? Nope. Not at all. But it shows how frothing rabid his supporters are, especially here. It's silly how you people will actually bend _reality_ to make it so Obama's never wrong, about anything, ever, no matter how small it is.

Are you actually arguing the merits of the government buying everyone a house?

Fine. Make mine one like Babs Streisand has. Godalmighty. And I thought it was hysterical when people voted for Obama because of high gas prices.

I said you were being partisan. I didn't say you were republican.

Libertarian is what I assumed from your previous posts. Correct me if I'm wrong.

#305 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009-02-09 10:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whatever I am, I'm sure not a libertarian. Those people are as naive as straight socialists; just on the other economic end of the scale.

Grow a brain cell
and stop sucking Rush's crusty pimply fat ass so Hard each Day!

#304 | Posted by gunner
---------

I don't remember being a fan of Bush. You must have decided that since I was critical of the left, I was a fan of the right.

Typical partisan hackery.

It's because you can't defend the $10 trillion theft from future generations that you attack some supposed connection I have to the previous president.

But I guess to you, two wrongs make a right.

Sad.

Soheifox- I will look up the pronunciations when I get home. (at a friends house, and I prefer to use my dictionaries rather than a website)

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. It's just the way I grew up saying it because I had friends from pakistan.

For future reference, if you don't want a "vigorous" response from someone, don't throw an attack at them in your very first post.

And if you do, don't mistake the response for some blind loyalty to whomever. When Obama screws up I will call him on it. I already have.

Cosmopolitan Jacque uses British spelling

You have a very finely honed sense of humour, Bill.

Borrowed money Betelg?
Fixing the problem caused by borrowed money?
Nothing?

OK. Goodnight.

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong.

#313 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009-02-09 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag

That's gonna be the first time I have ever seen.. ANYONE.. on this place besides myself, Goatman, and RCade ever get pinned down and admit to possibly being wrong about something.

Allright, you may not be a rabid Obama supporter, but you've been wearing the uniform on the boards for the last few weeks.

And Zombiehunter.

Err.. ZH as one of the people who admit when he's wrong, not as one wearing the rabid supporter uniform, lol. An "edit post" ability would be dandy. Have it expire after say.. 3 minutes.

That's gonna be the first time I have ever seen.. ANYONE.. on this place besides myself, Goatman, and RCade ever get pinned down and admit to possibly being wrong about something.

Really? I've done it before. Scouts honor.

I'm not a RABID Obama supporter. As I said, he's done a few things that kinda irked me. Yeah, he's only been president for a few weeks, but he did still vote while running.

His FISA vote pissed me off.
Letting Hillary be Sec of State? ugh.
Daschle. WTF.
The stimulus package. He keeps running to the center with it, which is a bad move. Sometimes a leftist or rightist approach is just plain wrong, and running to the middle of the two is a logical fallacy. I know he's trying to be bipartisan, but you see where it has gotten him: Zero republican votes, and a bunch of tax cuts they wanted in this bill. *sigh*

but you've been wearing the uniform on the boards for the last few weeks.

Sorry, when his opposition starts handing out "barack the magic negro" songs, I get a bit defensive.

It's hard to be critical of a guy when the other party is so frigging slimy. Go for the worst behavior first and work your way down.

The funny thing is that last October, after the McCain-Obama debate, the GOPers were going nuts over Obama's "elitist" pronunciation of Pakistan. Then it turned out that Gen. Petraeus also pronounces it Pahkistan.

SoHei's argument boils down to the idea that Obama should pronounce "Packistan" as the average American pronounces it. This is correct enough. Pronouncing it closer to the way Pakistanis pronounce it is wrong, and an affectation.

In other words, ignorance is not only bliss, but demonstrable.

Well, I got a dictionary. Then I looked it up online to hear the pronunciation as well. (that's a neat feature)

Soheifox was right... in that it is not wrong to pronounce it as most americans do.

I've noticed that quite of a few of our elected leaders say it as the pakis do. Probably because they talk to them.

SanAntonio-
Well, Petraeus can choke on his creme brulee...

Murphy, was not aware you were la' fem

saying "political whore" was not in a sexual context and not meant to be gross, even some men here still in love with the drunk cowboy are exactly that

Being one of those HOs means selling out, being enamored with men simply because they are rich and not because they are beautiful (rush, cheney, rove) inside or out or in any way

Really, even more disgusting

Also - using the "C" word was to reference your 3 republiCon "leaders" arrested for doing that in public, perhaps in public airport restrooms our kids use

Again, even more disgusting than using the "C" word here...

Let's make this clear: You actually think you know more about how Americans should properly pronounce words then Merriam-Webster, Oxford, Cambridge, (yes, they make American editions too!) and American Heritage combined.

#309 | Posted by soheifox

Sorry, but I just have to chuckle a little at your indignation. I seem to remember someone whose argument regarding a certain French phrase consisted of "but my Grandma said...", even in the face of citations from both a French language book AND a French dictionary. (NOT a Quebecois dictionary, I hasten to add)

This after FIRST claiming that one of the words didn't even exist in the entire language.

Alexandrite-
I never doubted it was an acceptable pronunciation in the US. We really should attempt to learn the regional pronunciation of the countries and territories we bomb, though.

It's only polite.

Well, Petraeus can choke on his creme brulee...

#324 | Posted by BetelG

I think you mean cream brulay.

Obama's BEEN to Pakistan. Spent a month there once.

Bush had admittedly never been out of the country save for a drunken weekend in Juarez. And talk about a guy with an affected accent. Funny none of his siblings took on the phony Texas accent. In fact, Bush didn't even HAVE an accent in videos of him at 40. Well, he had an East Coast accent.

SOHEIFOX

I think you don't like people with more melanin in their skin. That's pretty apparent. Get out of Montana once in awhile. There are people besides white people and Native Americans all over the place. But, you're going to have to leave your little town to find out.

San an- Or maybe his ORE DURVS. hehehe.

SanAntonio-
That's what makes it funny, you see... the object of your ridicule not only eats it but can probably spell it! A card carrying speller!

I think you don't like people with more melanin in their skin. That's pretty apparent. Get out of Montana once in awhile. There are people besides white people and Native Americans all over the place. But, you're going to have to leave your little town to find out.

#329 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2009-02-09 11:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I've read some of his posts, and you're way off.

He didn't like Bush sycophants, and he doesn't like Obama sycophants. Problem is, the Bush ones were so nasty and braindead, that now he sees ANY defense of Obama as the same thing.

A card carrying speller!

#331 | Posted by BetelG

Quelle surprise!

(oops, I went and said it)

A card carrying speller!

He grew up with a speak and spell, like all the elites.

Gunner, that makes sense, I didn't know Alexa was a chick for two or three years.

"The reason I savage Democrats is because I expect BETTER of them then the blind idiotic defense that the Right offered of Bush."

really? and this is the battle you choose?

I didn't know Alexa was a chick for two or three years.

#335 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-02-09 11:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Liar. You printed my name on here from my email, after sending me a bunch of ugly emails.(and getting my name from the response) That wasn't after 2 or 3 years.

Go fuck yourself with a sharp object.

Ok, I lied, I knew you were a chick from day one..

Plus, quit with the tired bullshit lies. I never did anything like that, I never posted your name, I never sent a self destruct emial.

JA did all of that, he told you he did.

Who is "JA"?

When you girls get done debating pronunciations, maybe we could discuss the actual serious problems and what the fuck we're going to do about it.

If you don't think we're in serious trouble RIGHT FUCKING NOW! you are not paying attention.

The Republican mantra seems to be keep fiddling as Rome burns.

Let's grow the fuck up, put our petty bullshit aside for now, righten the ship, stabalize and get it moving again. THEN we can go back to our usual petty arguing.

We're all Americans and we're all circling the drain. Since when have Americans not been able to put their differences aside and work together for the good of Country at a time when she needs us the most?

I've only known calichris was a female for a few months.

Plus, quit with the tired bullshit lies. I never did anything like that, I never posted your name, I never sent a self destruct emial.

I sent an email to rogers about it, which made it special right there. Hard to forget that.

He apologized and dumped the comment. It was you. Under your name on here. I didn't say anything until it was scrubbed from any possible archiving, because I'm not an idiot.

And if it isn't you sending self destruct emails, and it is jackass...

Some friend you got, eh? He sends self destuct emails in your name using your style. So you're either a liar or a moron, rex. Take your pick.

PS- The last self destruct email I got in your name/writing style was the night you claimed to danforth and I that you'd changed.

So either you lied then, or your "friend" was undercutting you. I pity you.

Briwo-
Right now is a good example.

We're all Americans and we're all circling the drain. Since when have Americans not been able to put their differences aside and work together for the good of Country at a time when she needs us the most?

#340 | Posted by briwo at 2009-02-09 11:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

What, exactly, would you like me to do?

I'm not going to bother sending anymore letters to my "representatives" and I don't have any extra time or money to give beyond what I am already.

So if you know another way I can "work together for the good of the country" with whomever, I'd like to hear it.

Betelg: I know. What I'm saying is we're not acting like Americans. We need to work together right now, and people need to start realzing that like yesterday.

maybe stop the bickering and and as a group of millions, with ONE voice, tell our leaders to grow the fuck up, would be a good place to start.

I don't know. It's almost FUBAR. But we can't just keep tearing at each other based on D or R.

maybe stop the bickering and and as a group of millions, with ONE voice, tell our leaders to grow the fuck up, would be a good place to start.

The system is so rotten, I don't think it matters anymore. Honestly, I don't see bickering on a backwater blog as a problem.

Some people here do this or they shoot someone.

And this bill is supposed to fix this "non run of the mill recession" how?

A stimulus packaage should be just that, something to stimulate the economy not just support/extend programs already in place.

Jackass undercut the hell out of me, but that is in the past.

Alex, when did this happen?

2005?

So you are still crying about one post that was deleted 4 years ago.

What is that all about?

13 questions.

A baker's dozen.

Actually, if you toss out the softball A-rod question out it was an even dozen.

Spud realises he's coming a little late to the party but still has a couple of thoughts on tonight's press conference.

First off, Gratz to HuffPo fer finally being allowed into the same august chamber that once housed Jeff Gannon and other media luminaries.

Double gratz tothe Huffinators fer making their first question a hardball.

ie. "Are you gonna investigate/ imprison/ draw and quarter the War Criminals of BushCo?" (Spud is paraphrase that one a mite, of course).

Raspberry fer Obama's predictable response.

"Nobody is above the law" followed by a BUT and...

"We in the admin want to look forward not backward" BS.

Spud sed it before Obama did, so sure was Spud that that would be the response there.

Props to Obama for noting that his first question form Helen Thomas was another "inauguration of sorts.

Triple props to Helen fer her "so-called terrorists" in Pakistan question.

/Spud luffs that gal.

Obama's answers on the Economy questions, which outnumbered the war questions by a significant ratio, were rather interesting for Spud.

Rather than directly answering the questions in many cases he begged of a "from the hip response" claiming either A) Not enuff data to make a definitive judgement at this time (okay, Spud can live with that one) or B) That he didn't want to steal Geithner's thunder in terms of the Timster's up and coming debut economic press conference. The second strategy seemed a bit disingenuous by Spud's lights but hey, Spud's just glad the guy talks in complete sentences, unlike his predecessor.

Overall the tone was professorial, aside from his remarks that he "can't take seriously" the whiny assed republican hypocrites who were biatching about food programs for kids and energy efeeciancy programs in his stimulus package and calling them "pork". Noting how up until pretty recently those same asswipes were falling over themselves to explain why BushCo's insane spending habits were legit.

Spud enjoyed that part immensly.

Obama made a point of noting that he had inherited this handlettered invitation to a shiatstorm.

Sommat that is, apparently, beyond the ken of more than a few RTs posting above.

Realistically saying that it would be at least a year before we start to see a turn around was a good move.

All in all Spud gives Obama's first real press conference a C+.

/May sounds low but compared to Dumbya's straight Ds it was a vast improvement.

Be Well.

/As he do, entering the DR
stage left.

Briwo, what is 'real', is the foot of snow we are getting tomorrow.

Are you actually arguing the merits of the government buying everyone a house?--#310 | Posted by rightisright

Me? Only if you compare it to the merits of doling out $2 trillion to corporations, without any disclosure.

If we "need" the stimulus, Obama should raise taxes to fund it.

Instead, he's just the next borrower in chief.

Just looks like $90 mil more for ACORN if I read it right. You're right, most of this stuff is pay-off and shouldn't be in this bill.

The Repubs are partially right! They just haven't learned when to shut up and vote for what's a little better 'bad' bill.

It really doesn't matter cause this is going to pass, then they can get down to the normal authorization bills, to keep everything else running.

When all that is done, have them all come back and do what they were supposed to do in the first place, a stimulus bill! That'll be at least another 2 or 3 Trillion!

It doesn't really matter, I'm to old to worry about paying for any of this! If no one else gives a shit about what my kids are going to have to pay, why should I give a shit about theirs?

I know, we'll all just declare bankruptcy at the same time! Each of us, the businesses we work for, and 'our' Government! We'll all be 'out from under'!

do what regan did, when he came in he was facing serious issues.. if you disagree your an idiot and just need to move on... he gave money back to the people and guess what.. we thrived and prospered, but then again, he was a Rep. so im sure the obama lovers and bush haters will spew hate and lies , just as obama has about it being the Rep. fault for entitlements, did anyone listen to that load of crap last night. more proof how he can spread lies about history and get away with it, unchallenged by the media that loves him.

Apparently you don't know what Reagan really did. No surprise.

Will this guy ever quit campaigning and offer some real substance to his plans for all of these great things he proposed to do...nothing but flops so far..as usual in DC, just words, no real action...
his press conference was nothing but more campaigning...no real solutions...all surface crap that he spilled for two years... and, not very good on his feet at all...
he will be the problem of the next four years, alone...

"do what regan did, when he came in he was facing serious issues.."

No, can't do that, Reagan cam into office and continued the same policies of Jimmy Carter following Paul Volker's advice until inflation was under control. Then he set about lowering taxes for the rich and creating our first 3 trillion dollar debt which is part of the problem we are dealing with today. It would be accurate to say REagan was the father of today's economic problems. Obama made it clear last night we are not going to return to the failed ideas of the past.

"and, not very good on his feet at all..."

Someone couldn't follow 7 minutes of actual policy discussion, it went right over his head. He yearns for the days of short idiotic sound bites from Dubya.

Yeah Jimmy Carter had it right. Double digit interest rates, gut the military (remember we couldn't even successfully fly 6 helicopters to rescue those held hostage), creating the environment for what we have in Iran today. Not enough space to cover it all here. Yeah Big Government is the way to go bwecause they have done so much right. Amtrak, Education, Social Security, Medicare, US Post Office. Unfortunate some in this country ned the government to tell them how to spend their money and provide them the guidance and direction they can't provide themselves.

Reagan cam into office and continued the same policies of Jimmy Carter following Paul Volker's advice until inflation was under control.

Your understanding of history is selective, per usual.

First off, Carter did inherit a Nixon/Ford economic mess. What did he do in response? Everything within his power to exacerbate the problems he inherited. At the end of his presidency, much to his credit, he nominated Volcker - a no non-sense guy who recognized our core-problems for what they were, and wasn't afraid to tell it like it was. Reagan wisely chose to keep Volcker AND he provided the political capital to back Volcker's honest assessment of our country's problems and what it would take to right the ship.

Much to your chagrin, it was Reagan, with his full-endorsement of Volcker that largely got this country out of its '70's downward spiral.

Obama made it clear last night we are not going to return to the failed ideas of the past.

Bullshit! Obama has made it abundantly clear that he's going to prop-up failed business models and he's not even going to tax-and spend to do so - he's going to borrow-and-spend to a level that even George W. Bush and the Republican party thieves would have found to be repugnant.

Next, this socialist will be after socialized health care. Doesn't work anywhere else, but what does that matter.

The school nutrition hand-wringing & the children's medical coverage & "OH WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?"
I have the same problem with this as with most government programs. They give to people, (exluding the elderly or disabled or infirm) who for the most part, are doing the absolute least possible to improve their own situations. People who CHOOSE not to work or to work only enough to keep the benefits, people who take their kids to the emergency room for a cold on the Medicaid dime, people who expect the government to provide these things like they're just too busy or good or entitled to work like the fucking rest of us! Until we ask some hard questions of the "low-income folks" among us, we are going to see waste that makes the rest of us NUTS because we're busting our ass & barely getting by! Does the extra money for school lunch, food stamps, & medical coverage apply to a broader group of people (in regards to income restrictions) who are actually paying in to the system & have the need still or just to those who aren't doing all they can & sticking it to everyone stuck in the middle that we keep hearing SO MUCH about?
I was on a rant about this yesterday & it continues to bug me. I didn't expect anyone to cover my ass when I had 2 children under what was not ideal circumstances & I don't expect something for nothing but I just cannot go on watching those who do so little get so much. It is very discouraging to go to work at 6:30 every morning & then work a part time job on the side while raising 2 children knowing that in truth, I'd be better off to take a low paying crap job so I could reap the government benefits. What is more disheartening is that the folks at social services have encouraged just that in the past! These people are spending my money! Because they care or to keep their funding? We all know the answer. Imagine if everyone just said "fuck it" & gave up? Talk about a catastrophe. This mentality will be the downfall of our society much quicker than fucking banks or policy decisions, or terrorism, or anything because we've become OK with half-assing it. Not only from our government, financial institutions, & schools, but from our citizens. Empires have been destroyed by less. I would like to see some reform on who is eligible for these programs. It would reinforce the REAL middle class making a sincere effort in this country & be a wake up call for those that are currently eligible to know they are going to have to step up their game if they want a piece of the pie.
Of course, I know this won't ever happen because the poor & uneducated & dependent are a much more reliable voting block.
OK, I'm sorry, I'm done but it has been riding me hard all week & it's only fucking Tuesday!

Well put ! If nothing else, just know you are not alone. There are many of us out here who feel the same way.

"Then he set about lowering taxes for the rich and creating our first 3 trillion dollar debt which is part of the problem we are dealing with today. It would be accurate to say REagan was the father of today's economic problems. Obama made it clear last night we are not going to return to the failed ideas of the past."

#358 | Posted by danni

You mean like the failed ideas of borrow like a drunk slut on daddy's credit card, and spend?

Obama has made it abundantly clear that he's going to prop-up failed business models and he's not even going to tax-and spend to do so - he's going to borrow-and-spend to a level that even George W. Bush and the Republican party thieves would have found to be repugnant.

#361 | Posted by JeffJ

Wow, I really want to go out to the mall now and spend... Obama's fear-mongering is going to drive the economy even worse in the hole.

Wow, I really want to go out to the mall now and spend... Obama's fear-mongering is going to drive the economy even worse in the hole.

#367 | Posted by btwestmo

No kidding. The poor elderly don't deserve this type of political scare tactic.

The school nutrition hand-wringing & the children's medical coverage & "OH WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?"
I have the same problem with this as with most government programs. They give to people, (exluding the elderly or disabled or infirm) who for the most part, are doing the absolute least possible to improve their own situations. -- #363 | Posted by HATEBIGGOV

Too true. Damn kids!

-political scare tactic.

More of an economic reality, according to both liberal and conservative economists.

This may just be enough to wake up some people in this country. Maybe they will start to speak up. The government has a history of causing more trouble than good and at a higher cost.

Too true. Damn kids!

I have 2 kids. I love kids. It's the lazy, idiot, society-leech parents that put me over the edge. Their only contribution is raising more just like them. Thanks!

More of an economic reality, according to both liberal and conservative economists.

#370 | Posted by Corky

Spend Tax Spend Keep raising taxes and continue spending, just like in California. People and businesses will react. They don't have to stay there. Then, lets see what the tax and spenders there will do.

They are the experts. Or, we could listen to you.

Tough choice, eh?

So this little gem has a provision that extends and funds welfare.

The 10 yr fiscal burden is 1.34 trillion for welfare. 1.34 TRILLION FOR WELFARE!!!! How is this stimulus again?

This is the crap I was talking about as far as "change" and "handouts" Sure they want to pass this bill, it assures their position as mommies to their losers come election time.

C'mon Prezz...do the right thing and whats good for the US and it's future not whats good for you and your little club.

F'n crooks...ALL OF EM!!!!

Experts would never have put them in the position they are in now. Not a tough choice for me at all. Seems to be for them.

"The 10 yr fiscal burden is 1.34 trillion for welfare. 1.34 TRILLION FOR WELFARE!"

Why...that's almost half what we've given the banks! Egad!!!

They are the experts. Or, we could listen to you.

Tough choice, eh?

#375 | Posted by Corky

When one of the so called experts shows me something they would cut, I'll listen. The so called experts would have a helluva time running a small to medium business. How many businesses facing a smaller scale problem would show up at the bank with their hand out?

They are the experts. Or, we could listen to you.

Tough choice, eh?

#375 | Posted by Corky

Maybe I shouldn't be asking the DR's biggest cheerleader for tax payer funded Wall Street bonuses.

Bernanke and Geithner have their fingerprints all over the outrageous AIG bailout... and Goldman-Sachs and Morgan-Stanley...

Where is the change? Oh there is none, just payback for their $114 million in campaign contributions. $2 trillion in returns, not a bad deal for those on the receiving end. Works every time.

The same experts who said we needed the last Wall Street handout?

Maybe I shouldn't be asking the DR's biggest cheerleader for tax payer funded Wall Street bonuses.

#380 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

We did need the TARP. Sadly our elected representatives let us down by proceeding willy-nilly and not placing appropriate oversight and transparency into the legislation.

Obama says he's taken steps to remedy that for the second half. I sure hope so.

"Sadly our elected representatives let us down by proceeding willy-nilly and not placing appropriate oversight and transparency into the legislation."

I can't buy in to the notion those against it wouldn't have pointed that out, unless those of both parties facing re-election ran for cover once they all knew it would pass. My belief is a lot of that cash went overseas, to calm nervous foreign investors and keep them buying greenbacks. But fearing the public wouldn't have reacted well, they kept it as quiet as possible.

Just a theory.

I wish a small business I owned would have competed with these so called experts. Life would have been alot easier.

I can't buy in to the notion those against it wouldn't have pointed that out, unless those of both parties facing re-election ran for cover once they all knew it would pass. My belief is a lot of that cash went overseas, to calm nervous foreign investors and keep them buying greenbacks. But fearing the public wouldn't have reacted well, they kept it as quiet as possible.

Just a theory.

#383 | Posted by Danforth

I think there may be something to your overseas theory.

As to the other, I think Paulsen et al did a sufficient snow job on the Congress to get it passed without much regulation. (The original plan was only 3 pages long and basically said Paulsen was God)

I think people either voted for it, or just got the hell out of the way. Not good, either way.

We did need the TARP...#382 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

??? I think you're alone on this. TARP was discredited by Paulson himself before a dime of the money was spent.

Remember, it was *3 weeks* after Congress' authorization before Paulson spent any money, and he spent NONE of it on TARP. Seems like staff work and public deliberation would have likely delivered a better plan.

Small business survives on available credit, which isn't anymore.

Again, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in the remedies offered by both liberal and conservative economists.

If you want to think that is some sort of conspiracy, Jeffn has a room for you in Denmark.

Remember, it was *3 weeks* after Congress' authorization before Paulson spent any money, and he spent NONE of it on TARP. Seems like staff work and public deliberation would have likely delivered a better plan.

#386 | Posted by Phoenix

Don't get me wrong... I don't think the first half of TARP was handled correctly by any stretch of the imagination.

However, simply because a program was horribly managed doesn't necessarily mean the concept of the program was bad. I would say the war in Afghanistan is a case in point.

The 10 yr fiscal burden is 1.34 trillion for welfare. 1.34 TRILLION FOR WELFARE!!!! How is this stimulus again?

It stimulates the lazy, uneducated, half-ass voting base of the left who will appreciate Uncle Sam's investment in their sloth come election day.

If they have to continue feeding this beast, what they should do is take the welfare recipients & give them their benefits for the year in a lump sum. Here you go, but once it's gone it's GONE! The increase in spending on really important shit like DVDs, plasma TVs, you know the essentials, would be a quick shot to the economy & would prove ONCE & FOR ALL to the idiots who actually don't know that the bulk of the recipients are committing FUCKING FRAUD having the tax payer foot the bill for their needs while continually making selfish & poor decisions with what money they do have! Even the media couldn't wash that over with the American people. It will cross all racial boundries & shed light on this idea that the "poor" in this country are often victims of their own stupidity & selfishness. Liberals would be loving some churches then because they'd be the only one feeding the parasites.

I think Paulsen et al did a sufficient snow job on the Congress to get it passed... -- #385 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

It took an awful lot of willful ignorance if they were snowed. I'm going with corruption. Giving a screwup who needs a job in the banking industry in 3 months free rein to dole out funds to banks is such obvious conflict of interest that SOMEONE in Congress had to notice it.

As to the other, I think Paulsen et al did a sufficient snow job on the Congress to get it passed without much regulation. (The original plan was only 3 pages long and basically said Paulsen was God)

#385 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Yes, the nature of the debate was we need it now, the experts say so, waiting will ruin the economy, etc. Sound familiar?

Rushing through legislation of this magnitude is a recipe for disaster, IMO.

And why doesn't the bill include some form of tax increase to help pay for it?

"I think people either voted for it, or just got the hell out of the way."

I also believe had Congress been 100% Republican, it still would have passed. Bush drove (or allowed to be driven) the ship of state off the cliff, the "bailout" was merely the decision to engage the airbags.

...simply because a program was horribly managed doesn't necessarily mean the concept of the program was bad. -- #388 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

TARP stands for "Troubled Asset Relief Program." The plan sold to Congress was for Paulson to buy up the BAD assets from banks. Krugman wrote an op-ed piece before the vote explaining why this was a bad idea, and Stiglitz went a step farther. (Why should Americans be left holding the BAD assets?)

Paulson also decided it was a bad plan, and designed a new one before spending any money.

I'm guessing that you don't know what TARP is, and are using the term to refer to the bailout. If that's not the case, though, why do YOU disagree with 2 Nobel Prize winners, Paulson, and countless others? More importantly, why do you think that it's okay to leave U.S. taxpayers holding the bag, instead of getting some return on the money they spend on the bailout?

"...& shed light on this idea that the "poor" in this country are often victims of their own stupidity & selfishness."

And how would you characterize the Wall Street Welfare Queens? Also "victims of their own stupidity & selfishness...?"

I don't think a person of my beliefs would be very well received in Denmark. These guys just want to throw money at things with little to no regard to where it goes.

And how would you characterize the Wall Street Welfare Queens? Also "victims of their own stupidity & selfishness...?"

The same damn way. It smacks of hypocrisy to blame Wall Street for EVERYTHING & not take into account that Main Street hasn't been living up to it's end of the bargain in many ways too! It only makes for better "feel good" rhetoric. We have a serious confusion about needs -vs- wants in America.

Again, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference in the remedies offered by both liberal and conservative economists.--#387 | Posted by Corky

Explain to me how Lindsey's plan -- subsidizing FICA, and helping Americans pay down their debt and refi their mortgages -- is in any way comparable to either Dem or Repub proposals.

If you want to think that is some sort of conspiracy, Jeffn has a room for you in Denmark.--#387 | Posted by Corky

If you think both parties haven't caved to special interest groups, I've got some swampland...

Maybe our government is so far gone that pragmatically, this bill is the best we're going to get. But we heard that line about the bailout, and it was wrong.

The sad thing is that something DOES need to be done quickly, and our corrupt leaders are rich enough to hold out as long as they like.

"It smacks of hypocrisy to blame Wall Street for EVERYTHING & not take into account that Main Street hasn't been living up to it's end of the bargain'

True, both deserve blame.

But who's idea was it for 125% LTVs? Or liar's loans? Or teaser rates? Or interest only loans? Main street, or the guys who went to business school and, supposedly, took risk assessment classes?

And who thought it was a good idea to leverage bad paper against bad paper to the tune of 100-1? Joe Sixpack, or Joe Wallstreet?

This problem isn't because one person couldn't pay their loan. It's because those with the money went wild and pretended they weren't subject to the economic laws of gravity. Don't forget: these lenders TOLD the borrowers they could afford it, if by no other way than approving the loan.

DANFORTH

You always make too much sense for the wingnuts to understand.

Add the fact the GOP fought regulating derivatives like 'credit default swaps'. Hell, the GOP has fought regulation tooth and nail, period.