This whole thing is fubar. Just redo the whole damn thing.

Whether its enough or not, can either of them legitimately claim to be the winner of the election at this point or even after the recount? I get that its the rules and this is how its going to happen, it just seems like the better option would be for their state legislature to pass a special election for the two of them. call this thing a flat out tie and everyone come back out again in 1 month to vote for a Senator.

I agree with the idea of holding special elections when a recount results in a race so close that it's deeply within the margin of error. No one who ever loses a recount battle in the courts will believe their guy lost fairly.

But doing so for this race would be wrong. The special election rule should be in place before the original vote.

Can't Minnesota stick with ice harvesting and leave grown up work to the grown ups?

#3 | Posted by GreenDad

GD you must be joking having a special election to resolve the current fiasco would make way too much sense especially in a democracy. No I think it is much better to let the courts kick this around for a while who knows after a few weeks they might be able to find their own butts with both hands...

FiveThirtyEight believes this won't be enough to save Coleman.

#2 | Posted by rcade at 2009-02-04 09

and I believe though that this will hopefully end any whininig and crying about it
you know..UNLESS it does keep the clown from the senate floor.
then I predict you will see yet another suit.
NO MATTER HOW IT TURNS OUT< I hope that coleman drops any further action after getting this you know..UNLESS george soros gets involved even further......

...one of them has to go-so examine their taxes...

"But doing so for this race would be wrong. The special election rule should be in place before the original vote.

#4 | Posted by rcade"

No matter what happens in this race, the winner is not going to be seen as legit. Its too close, there are too many questions, too many court cases, and its dragged on for far too long.

I just think the best way to have a true winner is for them to do the whole thing over, with just these two on the ballot, nothing else. Winner take all, and it would actually be a legit winner.

Or we could take Statehood away from Minnisota until they learn how to run a fucking election.

UNLESS it does keep the clown from the senate floor.
#7 | Posted by afkabl2

Obama is still looking for a few good men who actually pay taxes so if this clown can fill out the long form he may just be offered a cabinet position...

Hopefully Coleman's lawsuit also points out the fact that the elections board rejected ballots for Coleman with an "X" over the circle but accepted ballots for Franken with the same marking. With the amount of "oops, a few more votes here" that all went to Franken after the election, my guess is that Coleman will win this lawsuit.

different rules for different classes of people.

In comparison, one is an adult, the other??

The state that should be asked to leave the union is California! A new governor to resolve a budget problem of $39 Billion, manages to get into one at $42 Billion five years later, appointed agents are making billion dollar decisions without regard to consequences and little responsibility.

So this is what 'going green' will cost us? It may be good to know.

In Minnesota, the best man (lawyer) will prevail, it is alway that way!

hey dogen

when you mention california and their financial woes
have you read some of the stats that shows how many billions of that deficit are due to paying billions for illegals in that state.
one way to solve thier money problems.
get rid of some of those.

just send them both that way they could cancel out each others stupid vote.

I hope Coleman wins so Reid has to eat his words. I would like to see Franken in the Senate though. It would be amusing. You know he would be good for putting his foot in his mouth. Put him on the Judiciary Committee. That would be a hoot

The state that should be asked to leave the union is California!
Posted by dogen

We should stick a 4-Sale sign up at the Mexican Border. For the right price, we could get rid of their deficite and the Illegal's all in one shot.
And Arnold would be free to make another shitty Terminator Movie.

Can't Minnesota stick with ice harvesting and leave grown up work to the grown ups?

#5 | Posted by yougothurt

You mean like the feds? SHIT!!!!

Or we could take Statehood away from Minnisota until they learn how to run a fucking election.

#10 | Posted by wisgod

Maybe they can take lessons from Florida?

Whole issue would have been resolved if Norm Coleman had been man enough to live up to his words about settling this out of court.

Consider the absentee ballots flagged by Coleman for being "wrongly rejected" that were actually considered by the counties earlier this month. Of about 150 absentee ballots that, having already been rejected twice by the counties (once on Election Night and then again pursuant to a court order), were triple-checked by the counties for potentially being wrongly rejected, only 1 was determined by county officials to be a valid ballot. At that rate of success, Coleman's 4,800 ballots would turn into a grand total of ... 32 that are actually deemed to have been rejected improperly. And those ballots were reviewed at a stage when the Coleman campaign wanted only about 650 ballots to be considered.

but I read this morning that franken only wanted votes from a dem area counted and not these that have been approved a large portion of which are from tradittionally republican voters
as I said.,....if he still loses, its time to shut up about it.>>UNLIKE LIBS AND 2000.....

I read today that Coleman only wants to count the votes for him, claiming that any vote for Franken is obviously done by someone trying to destroy the great state of Minnesota and should not therefore count.

Coleman is obviously very prescient, Kanrei.

My God, sign of the End Times...
I agree with Wisgod (#18)

think about it when nixon was given proof that there had been voter fraud in the 60 pres election--he said he wouldn't protest cause"i won't put the country through that" --and he was a "crook" ---there is a sickin lack of honor and grace in todays politics
jasman

I read today that Coleman only wants to count the votes for him, claiming that any vote for Franken is obviously done by someone trying to destroy the great state of Minnesota and should not therefore count.

#23 | Posted by kanrei at

and so when are you getting to the part that ISNT the truth????

thats a joke
I feel that I may speak for most people here when I say

GET THIS SHIT OVER WITH!!!!!!!!

right????

Right! I have said for a while now that it is time for the courts to put an end to this. The people of Minnesota are being done a dis-service by only having one Senator at such an import time.

--there is a sickin lack of honor and grace in todays politics
jasman

There never was any honor and grace in politics.

Right! I have said for a while now that it is time for the courts to put an end to this. The people of Minnesota are being done a dis-service by only having one Senator at such an import time.

you are correct. Franken should admit they were attempting to steal the election and withdraw. Then the investigation should begin as to why some precincts reported more votes than are registered voters. And each of these precints just happened to be pro Franken.

I would like to see Franken in the Senate though....
I would like to see him dropped on the steps to the capital.

Soon to be followed by "Coleman wins right to look in mirror at rejected candidate".

Dogen: "In Minnesota, the best man (lawyer) will prevail, it is alway that way!"

Joe: "Did someone say they needed a lawyer? What? Oh, "best" lawyer? Nevermind... Sir, do you want cream in your coffee this morning? Can I carry your briefcase to the court again today? Can I?"

hey dogen

when you mention california and their financial woes
have you read some of the stats that shows how many billions of that deficit are due to paying billions for illegals in that state.
one way to solve thier money problems.
get rid of some of those.

#15 | Posted by afkabl2

Hey afkab, if you can't use proper grammar or spell in the english language then go back to where you came from.

you are correct. Franken should admit they were attempting to steal the election and withdraw. Then the investigation should begin as to why some precincts reported more votes than are registered voters. And each of these precints just happened to be pro Franken.

#31 | Posted by slicksterWilly

Nice one Slickster!! Could you direct us to your post back in 2000 when you said the same thing about Dubya?

"Then the investigation should begin as to why some precincts reported more votes than are registered voters. And each of these precints just happened to be pro Franken."

in all of the recounts, ballot checks and court orders, this did not come up, why is that?

Or did you just pull this out of your rear end?

would like to see Franken in the Senate though....
I would like to see him dropped on the steps to the capital.

#32 | Posted by slicksterWilly

and on his head

hey dogen

when you mention california and their financial woes
have you read some of the stats that shows how many billions of that deficit are due to paying billions for illegals in that state.
one way to solve thier money problems.
get rid of some of those.

#15 | Posted by afkabl2

Hey afkab, if you can't use proper grammar or spell in the english language then go back to where you came from.

#35 | Posted by RastaCyborg at

you are really a piece of shit to come at me with this bullshit when there are plenty of examples of leftists here with far worse styles of writing than this

and your charge about bush and back then

one more example of liberal PUSSIES who can really dish it out but are BIGGER PUSSIES AND CANT TAKE IT>

if its too hot around here you can always go to some bullshit liberal circle jerk site like the kos or huffingtons horseshit blog

in all of the recounts, ballot checks and court orders, this did not come up, why is that?

Or did you just pull this out of your rear end?

#37 | Posted by VMA224 at

well I dont have a link but I am pretty sure that this was even on cnn at one time

ask numbnutts(hans) he is good at pulling things out of his ass when he wants to archive one of my posts.

"you are really a piece of shit to come at me with this bullshit when there are plenty of examples of leftists here with far worse styles of writing than this"

Funny thing is, no one else pretends to be a "teacher."

Hans

"ask numbnutts(hans) he is good at pulling things out of his ass when he wants to archive one of my posts."

Does anyone have any idea what Rusty is trying to say here?

Anyone?

Hans

Does anyone have any idea what Rusty is trying to say here?

Anyone?

Hans

#42 | Posted by Hans at 2009-02-04 04:32 PM | Reply |

.....yep..........I do...why do you ask*****

******....I speak BL2....***in fact I taughted him to speak.............

#43 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-02-04 04:37 PM

3-round boxing match. to be judged by 1 republican, 1 democrat, and 1 independent. hitting below the belt o.k. it'd be quick, easy, and wildly entertaining. it could be broadcast on pay-per-view, with 1/2 of the profits going to pay for the stimulus package. plus, both submit to tax audits for an additional kicker for the package.

No offense, folks, but if you had bothered to follow this court case closely, you would have witnessed thoughtful public official taking their jobs very seriously. You would understand why number don't always match, and why there should be admiration for the state of Minnesota (but up pox on the Vikings and the Twins).

What do you say to following the laws of the state? There is no provision for such an event, so let's let them follow their laws.

If Coleman wins, America wins.

Impeach obama 09

Throw pelosi, reid, clintons out on their commie asses.

"If Coleman wins, America wins."

Absolutely!

Here's a great read on Coleman from a local paper...

#8 | Posted by Liberty at

Franken already cheated his employees out of taxes that he had to go back and pay to correct.

As to this thread--

There were too many irregularities with the recount so now the matter is contested.

The courts want 4800 more ballots counted. So get counting.

from Rcade's earlier post here:>)

Tuesday, February 3, 2009
Absentee Ballots Unlikely to Save Coleman
UPDATE: The Court has also ruled, apparently, that the 4,800 absentee ballots Coleman wants to have counted will be held to a much higher burden of proof. Essentially, those ballots will be presumed to be guilty until proven innocent, and will have to be advocated for one at a time by the Coleman campaign, rather than being opened summarily and counted in bulk. This will make Coleman's rate of success very, very, very low, as opposed to merely very, very low. As Talking Points Memo notes, however, this process could take a very long time to complete and could continue to the delay the seating of a Senator Franken -- which may be Coleman's principal objective in the first place.

Ted Stevens Jr. should concede already. What a scumbag.

The FBI is reportedly investigating allegations that a Minnesota businessman tried to funnel $75,000 in campaign contributions to Sen. Norm Coleman through the senator's wife, Laurie, at the same time Coleman was going into debt because of extensive home renovations.

According to a report from MyFOXTwinCities.com, two lawsuits allege that in the spring of 2007, Nasser Kazeminy began making $25,000 payments from Deep Marine Technology, a Texas company he controls, to Laurie Coleman's employer, insurer Hayes Companies Inc. of Minneapolis.

One of the lawsuits alleges that in March 2007, Kazeminy said that "U.S. senators don't make s---," and he would try to get money to the senator, MyFOXTwinCities.com said.

In 2006, the Colemans began renovations on their St. Paul home, adding a second-floor master bedroom, remodeling the kitchen, painting, refinishing floors and landscaping. Coleman's campaign told MyFOXTwinCities.com that the 2006 renovation project was budgeted at $328,000, but within four months the cost estimates hit $414,000 -- over-budget by $86,000.

Government ethics professor David Schultz told MyFOXTwinCities.com that the timing of the alleged donations from Kazeminy and the Colemans' burgeoning debt raise questions about the senator's credibility.

"On the one level it could just be a coincidence, on the other level this could be one of the reasons he's getting that money from elsewhere, to try to make up for his, to be able to pay off a loan, pay off a line of credit," says Schultz.

Coleman, not a party to the lawsuits, has denied any wrongdoing.

He and Democratic challenger Al Franken are still waiting out a lengthy recount to determine the winner of the state's Senate election on Nov. 4.

And Al still has not released his documents that he paid those back taxes.

Will this every go away?

By the time this is finally settled, it will be time for their relection.

They'll both run against each other, naturally. This time both will claim incumbent status.

Cheers

Hey righties, for the good of the country, shouldn't you guys give up? Think of the children!! Isn't this what you said during Gore V. president Bush? Hey Coleman give it up loser. How about those sore loserman Colman stickers?

Strange, as these were already viewed by both parties, both know what's in them, Franken not fighting this as the results won't change vote in Coleman's favor. What's up? What's Coleman's game?

Flippin' cold in Minnesota so Franken has been on vacation down in Florida & so forth, I understand.

"As Talking Points Memo notes, however, this process could take a very long time to complete and could continue to the delay the seating of a Senator Franken -- which may be Coleman's principal objective in the first place."

www.fivethirtyeight.com

#50 | Posted by Bani

Murphy is being a little coy on old ridiculous Franken tax issues as she realises her pet Norm is going down...

"And Al still has not released his documents that he paid those back taxes."

MURPHY do you even have the guts to read BANI's linked article???

bani

thanks for the tip on the book yesterday

I have started reading "dead heat" by francis and so far its pretty entertaining.

Impeach Hussien in 09. the biggest chimp to ever hold the office. Has it all fucked up in slightly over 2 weeks. WOW!

If Coleman wins the next shoe to drop will be his indictment. Quid pro quo bribes to the tune of $75,000 were delivered to his wife for favors.

He and Democratic challenger Al Franken are still waiting out a lengthy recount to determine the winner of the state's Senate election on Nov. 4.

www.foxnews.com

#51 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009

interesting that you are using foxnews a a source.
Wasn't it not that long ago that fox news was considered anything but a good source?
just asking

I have no idea who won this, and I don't think anyone else does.. and that's a terrible situation. The named winner is never going to convince the losing side that he won fairly.

What still amazes me, is that anyone in the state is stupid enough to vote for a jerk like Frankin. It would be embarrassing if he got three votes..

What are they drinking up there?

Fifteen people were killed by a suicide bomber in north-eastern Iraq, shortly before election authorities were due to give the first official results of last week's provincial ballot.

let's hope Norm Coleman doesn't hear about this.