Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, February 04, 2009

A gallery of images representing how much oil we use every two minutes, plastic cups, etc. -- 28,000 42-gallon barrels every two minutes in the U.S. The images provide a unique perspective on our resource use.

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How much do we consume?

Way too much.

What's this "we" kemosabe?

In general as a society.

You knew that.

You beat me to it, 726. That was going to be my response. We as Americans consume way too much and it has spoiled us.

we consume as much as we need. the rest we burn, recycle or compost. i refuse (no pun intended) to feel guilty for the gluttony and waste others create.

agreed Nanc. I consume exactly what I need and can afford to maintain a level of comfort for myself and my family.

...We as Americans consume way too much and it has spoiled us...

Maybe you're a spoiled little brat, but I buy only what I can afford and try to save as much as I can. Don't lump me in with those you consider a group of greedy "we" Americans.

I could pile cost on to a credit card, but I don't. I don't live like a miser and pinch pennies but nor do I spend on big screen tv's and new clothes and jewelry. There well always be things I'd like to have but don't fell justified in buying unnecessary items and putting myself in debt by buying things I don't have to have.

I'm also not going to apologize because I don't have to share an apt. with 15 other people in some third world country or consider myself a greedy American because maybe I'll buy a new CD every month or so.

I'm not going to feel guilty because as an American I don't have the same low level of life style as those living in Calcutta. I realize I'm fortunate not to have to live that way and am grateful -- but not apologetic. There's a difference.

The thread is a 'let's beat ourselves up' for having more than others. Sorry, not all of us feel we have to live a live of shame just because some have less [to consume] than us; just as many of us do not spend time in envy of those who have more [to consume]. Those feelings we leave for the liberals.

'live' was meant to be LIFE.

One starfish at a time, douchebag.

The thread is a 'let's beat ourselves up' for having more than others.

In other words, how dare they make me feel guilty for being a greedy fuck!

For shame to the authors for trying to make at least one person with a brain think about what they are buying.

The first step to recovery is to admit their is a problem. Too bad some people will go their graves proudly proclaiming they never did anything wrong.

Hubris.

We were supposed to feel guilty about slavery so we would vote for the magic negro and now we are supposed to feel guilty about using too much oil.
THAT'S ALL I CAN STAND, I CAN'T STANDS NO MORE!!!

I don't know about others but we work our butts off to earn money and buy what we need.

We did save the cash to buy the HDTV.


--If they--the media-- keep up these kind of stories our economy is never going to "jump start".

I guess if nobody wants to reduce oil dependency, nobody's going to complain about all the oil revenue flowing to whackjob ayatollahs,wahbists and al queda.
Or how much money it costs taxpayers to keep it flowing....

Sure, we all work to buy.
We're all, unless we farm for food and make our own clothes, wage slaves, more or less.
But even the most sanctimonious among you--from R to D--must admit, that there are things you buy that are redundant, or worse, simply useless.
And then there is the packaging, the endless plastic wrapping, of every damn thing.
Most of it formed from petrochemicals.
Little of it recycled.
Little of it born from sustainable resources.
You may think you're blessed not to be in Calcutta, swimming in poverty. And because you can "afford it" based on your wages, then, well, why not, right?
Unfortunately, this spaceship has a limited source of fuel, literally and metaphorically.
We are all connected.
We could all do more.
Maybe, when you throw out the trash next time, you'll think about that.
And maybe you'll figure out what things you can do, big and small, to cut back.
To conserve.
It doesn't have to be onerous.
You do have to be smart about it.
It is hard werk.
But not doing it, and claiming innocence because, you know, you had enough money to pay for it, is disingenuous.
The price rarely reflects the cost.

GWAR - F*cking an Animal

Mao,

How are you enjoying this 'global warming'?

It's cold as fuck here in Michigan.

Once I'm dead, who cares, let's burn this f*cker down.

Bomb

I'm sorry Jak-off, were you talking to yourself again?
Must be bourbon time.
Why don't you conserve and buy in party handler size?


I'm sorry Jak-off, were you talking to yourself again?
Must be bourbon time.
Why don't you conserve and buy in party handler size?
#20 | Posted by regime_change

Mr. 1oz. for fear of crossing the old lady giving drinking advice. Priceless!

There was a time when Americans consumed more because they produced more. It only stands to reason that consumption follows production. Then Keynesian Economics entered the scene. Once Nixon took America off the gold standard, there was no limit to the supply of cheap money. What goes up, must come down.

Well if we don't pass this spending bill Nancy Pelosi says that 500 Million people will lose their job.

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Hey when switch grass can go into the tank at the same cost and quanity to run the engine of this country as oil does--let us know--'kay

How are you enjoying this 'global warming'?

Its actually been pretty mild.

We are suffering from a concentrated, almost biblical drought right over my county, though.

www.drought.unl.edu

Must be all that packaging and unsustainability.

I'm gonna go watch Affluenza again and cut myself.

Excuse me....


Man is destinied to both save and destroy the earth.

Eventually we will have to leave the earth and colonize space to survive.

One way or another this will happen.

Despite what slop gorehog may have fed the weak minded amounst us, perceivable reality is not static, it evolves.

Ladytron - Destroy Everything You Touch

As for me: I don't have an "old lady."
Posted by regime_change

Figures. Another Dandy with a Life Partner, looking for hetero-sexual acceptance, benefits and STD money from Pelosi.

he couldn't parse what I said

That's because you didn't say anything.

You strung a series of left-wing cliches together.

And didn't capitalize.

Now fuck off.

You're wasting energy.

I believe they're called facts, Jak off.
Then again, a lot of cliches are.
As in, you are what you eat.
As I recall, you eat a lot of grain fed beef.
Talk about wasting energy.

Moo.

No, dipshit.

Facts are statments of truth.

Like, "Juan owns five goats".

Not stupid fucking polemics about "spaceship earth" and her "wage slaves" whose lifestyles conflict with your ideology regarding how things should be.

Like I said, remove yourself from the equation or shut the fuck up.

There's nothing more annoying than a self-righteous liberal fuck using the internet to tell others how wasteful they are.

Beef--yum!

I could go for an extra rare porterhouse steak. Good idea Murphy.

Larry

Man is earth, earth is celestial matter, celestial matter is big bang, big bang is god........

We are the children of the stars, literally.

People that think humanity is outside of earth are fooling themselves....Man is earth....

We are a evolutionary subset of the planet evolved from earlier matter, because of and for, external and internal forces.

Our consumption is part of our nature, a nature that was predetermined by evolutionary forces and 'god'.....

Yawn. Facts. Like these?

Jak alleges to own cows.
He feeds them grass, their natural diet, then grains, which make them sick.
Jak eats these cows.
He thinks they're yummy.
They make him crazy.
He calls people dipshit because he can't think of anything else to say.
He has no idea that he's part of the problem.
He thinks it's all about ideology.
Like maybe Hitler was just an ideologist out of touch with local mores.
Jak glories in vitriol.
He thinks the world is all about tough guys and tough choices. He isn't the former, and doesn't have the balls for the latter.
He is a sad, bitter person. (Whoopsie, hypothesis snuck in there!)
Jak contributes little, wastes much.


As James Dean of blog yore would say: FACT!

Now, please, do retort with your predictable, impotent venom.

Hey Zeit the star child:

Man has a brain. Man has (at least the semblance of) free will.

We should know when to stop, or at least slow down.

If we don't, then we should classify ourselves as a virus.

'Free will', please explain.

There's nothing more annoying than a self-righteous liberal fuck using the internet to tell others how wasteful they are.

"we consume as much as we need. the rest we burn, recycle or compost. i refuse (no pun intended) to feel guilty for the gluttony and waste others create."
#5 | POSTED BY NANC AT 2009-02-03 08:10 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

"agreed Nanc. I consume exactly what I need and can afford to maintain a level of comfort for myself and my family."
#6 | POSTED BY TGNH AT 2009-02-03 08:47 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

"I don't know about others but we work our butts off to earn money and buy what we need."
#13 | POSTED BY MURPHY AT 2009-02-04 07:53 PM | REPLY | FLAG

"Oh, shut the fuck up.
You sanctimonious, left wing piece of shit.
Better yet, put your "consciousness" where your mouth is and kill yourself."

#16 | POSTED BY JAK_SE_MAO AT 2009-02-04 09:06 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I come here for the entertainment.

Let's see how far down the rabbit hole you want to go....

A thoroughly impressive list of "facts" in the form of exhibition of one's incandescent ignorance.

There's nothing more annoying than a self-righteous liberal fuck using the internet to tell others how wasteful they are.


We should know when to stop, or at least slow down.

Let's start with people like you.

Well, it's an age old philosophical conundrum.
Do we, or don't we, have control over what we do?
Is it a conscious choice, or some predetermined (by god, biology, etc) act?
You may, if you like, apply socio-economic fetters: I am poor, therefore I must shop at walmart, ie. I have no choice.

But Man, or rather, Humans, collectively, have a choice.
We can choose policies that favor propagation of the species, rather than short term, personal gain.
Germany is choosing to conserve money and resources. The US may be forced to because of reckless spending.
Humanity is clearly on the brink. Take ideology out of it and look at facts: species extinction at breakneck speed, resource depletion, etc. They are natural in the sense that they are the result of action, but the actions themselves can be changed.
Personal actions may be harder to regulate, but that's what laws are for.
I may want to kill somebody, but fear of punishment stops me.
I may want to cheat, rob, and steal, but again, the threat of recrimination stops me.
It may not stop everyone, but it deters the majority.
This may be considered recognizing our innate nature, and doing something about it, for the better of the group.
Saying we don't have free will is, in my opinion, solipsistic.
A way of justifying not making a choice, and saying, I can't help myself.
Society, humanity, should be better than that.
In the end, whether we have a real choice, or only perceive it, is an argument for philosophers, and not for societal architects.
To return to the point of this thread:
If you throw it away, it's waste.
Every scrap of food, plastic wrap, cardboard box, whatever, took energy to make.
Minimizing waste is efficient.
A more efficient society is a better society.
The perverse among us will extrapolate this to apply to things other than material goods, and eugenics and other crap will emerge, but I'm literally just talking about the tangible stuff we produce.
Reduce, reuse, recycle. How can that be bad? There will inevitably be a need to improve on what we have, to make new things. Production will forge on. We'll never achieve perfection. But we can hope to approach it
Another cliche springs to mind:
Waste not, want not.

There is no way to determine if we have free will, we are preconditioned for response.

We have self awareness, but self awareness isn't free will.

'Predeterminism' can have biological or theological conotations, but each are determined by 'evolutionary' factors.

We humans are part of earth, part of god, to pretend we know our purpose it to pretend we have the power of god...

And we don't have that power, yet.

Jak: you didn't disappoint me!
More useless dross from the garbage can of your (virtual) mouth.
Without people like me, there'd be nobody for you to froth about.
It'd just be one one seething sea of impotent anger.
You should thank me for giving you the release you so desperately need.
Well, not the manual release you crave, but, you get what I'm saying, right Jak?

Now, go disappoint whatever poor woman you've got captive.
Or, more likely, go Jak-off into a tissue.
Don't forget to throw it in the waste basket.

I'm done with you. Night night little (man? boy?) person.
I'm sure you'll leave the light on.

Can you tell me why we 'are'?

If you can't, you don't know.

That means you're human.

And we don't have that power, yet.

Posted by r_zeitgeist


speak for yourself!:>)

Let's go deep.

Once man has the power to observe ultimate reality, 'we' will have the ability to exert influence on that reality.

Once we reach that point, we can alter reality, we can destroy or create the universe with thought.

We can destroy the universe with a thought.

Everything that is percivable will simply cease to exist.

Vagine Change "cares"

Vagine Change is a product of an affluent society that affords him the luxury of self-loathing

Vagine Change uses a form one of technology to decry the use of another

Vagine Change is very specific about the kinds of consumption and "consumerism" he dislikes

Vagine Change is not quite smart enough to realize that weighing any individual's choice vs "The Common Good" is a fairly absurd and self-serving form of argumentation.

But Vagine Change is undeterred

Vagine Change is, essentially, a hypocrite

Vagine Change is wholly responsible for the degree of seriousness with which he's taken

Jak: you didn't disappoint me!
More useless dross from the garbage can of your (virtual) mouth.

And you didn't disappont me either, monkey.

500 words (#41) of moral preening.

Now you go pull the covers over your little head and dream up new and exciting sanctions to be placed on the behavior of those who can only long to be the miserable beacon of self-denial that you are.

(And don't forget to pay your internet service provider his bill.)

As I recall, you eat a lot of grain fed beef.

One wonders if Vagine Change has ever attempted to compare the levels of resourcefulness, frugality and overall contributions to the health of ecology made by those in production agriculture versus those made by uninformed, pseudo-leftist clowns that can type the essence of a cliche in 500 words that their hatchback-full of bumper stickers say in 5.

Talk about wasting energy.

Indeed.

so let's have fewer people and increase the QULITY of our lives

I find that people improve the qulity of my life.

Families, kids, grandkids---ya, know?

Shit like that?

Not everybody is a miserable, self-loathing piece of shit relegated to cutting and pasting articles from "Counterpunch" to acheive a sense of self-validation.

Try it.

Its far more satisfying than fabricating one ecological "crisis" after another to justify a worldview premised on the same tripe as Naziism.

I find that people improve the qulity of my life.

Families, kids, grandkids---ya, know?

I know. My granddaughter has stolen my heart in a way I never imagined would happen. Such a sweetie. I'm already spoiling her rotten even though she is too young to know it.

My daughter-in-law picked me up at the airport a couple of hitches ago. The baby is in the back seat facing backwards as they do with baby seats. She hears my voice and starts craning her little head to see me. I stuck my head back so she could. A smile came across her face that melted me like butter.

I love that little girl!

But her car seat is made of plastic, Goat.

And that's got to go in a landfill someday.

Perhaps that will temper some of your joy.

If you truly "care".

Its far more satisfying than fabricating one ecological "crisis" after another to justify a worldview premised on the same tripe as Naziism.

~Jakovosauros

Naziism, MooCow?

Yer funny.

Not the good kind, but still.

...ever attempted to compare the levels of resourcefulness, frugality and overall contributions to the health of ecology made by those in production agriculture...

* golf clap *

Oh, Dungster, yer such a little tree hugger, eh?

Don't pat yerself on the back too hard ya might dislocate yer shoulder again.

While everybody is mighty impressed by yer "contributions to the health of the ecology" yer contributions to the realm of blogworld is, sadly enuff, the same tired old rant it always is.

"How dare you lefties have an opinion!"

"Wot utter hypocrites lefties are for living in the pampered west and complaining!!"

And so on and so forth.

Human consumption levels and the planets ability to produce resources and indeed sustain life is a pretty important topic. Just insulting people fer trying to have a dialogue on the topic is futile and childish.

If you have something intelligent to contribute ot the discussion feel free to share yer pearls of wisdom with the rest of the group but if not don't mind if the rest of us don't bother taking you seriously in the least cos you don't deserve to be.

You've devolved into the Tadowe-esque Troll that Spud used to frequently mistake you for.

Here's some "lefty propaganda" to make yer head blow up.

Is called "The History of Stuff".

Dumbed down just fer you.

www.youtube.com

/Yes, obligatory.

Be Well.

Human consumption levels and the planets ability to produce resources and indeed sustain life is a pretty important topic.

Undoubtedly.

Just insulting people fer trying to have a dialogue on the topic is futile and childish.

The response is a function of the level of seriousness and intellect with which the topic is addressed.

If you make sweeping, cliche-filled assertions about "wage-slaves" and judge the ecological sustainability of individual behaviors exhibited by various passengers on "spaceship earth" via your internet connection, you will be treated accordingly.

Naziism, MooCow?

Yes, Naziism.

The idea that humanity is a petri dish that monsters like yourself can simply "tinker" with until we all reach a state of perfection here on earth.

Like Beavis once remarked:

I wish chicks would just...like...do what you wanted them to do.

Jak Se Mao IS Godwin's Law, Nazi cunt!

[Godwin's Law]

en.wikipedia.org

But her car seat is made of plastic, Goat.

And that's got to go in a landfill someday.

Perhaps that will temper some of your joy.

Damn the plastic. Do you think anything could temper the joy this sweet face brings to me?

Except I can draw a perfectly reasonable and defensible correlation between his ideology and the philosophical underpinnings of Naziism.

You have a trendy internet concept.

Sorry, Boyd.

Flyleaf - All Around Me

Except I can draw a perfectly reasonable and defensible correlation between his ideology and the philosophical underpinnings of Naziism.

I'm sure you can, Mr. Godwin.

As a matter of proper course, as you were the one to compare the current president to Nazis, perhaps you'd like to make that case right now.

Do you think anything could temper the joy this sweet face brings to me?

Suffering?

Hunger?

Global Warming?

Overpopulation?

I can think of a million things...

No cute picture is gonna make me shed my sense of guilt at being a participant in this wasteful, racist, jingoistic military/industrial complex we've created at the expense and exploitation of indigenous peoples around the world.

(But Gawd she's cute)

As a matter of proper course, as you were the one to correlate what I've said to "Godwin's Law", perhaps you'd like to make that case right now.

Oh, I couldn't resist.
After reading and not sleeping,
I checked back in to see what the resident misanthrope
would have to say as a retort.
As usual, nothing of substance.
Much like your agricultural practices. The "ecology" of which you speak.
You feed your cows grain.
That's all one needs to know about you.
And yet, in your insular world of subsidy and artifice
(and doubtless, artificial insemination),
that gross misappropriation of resources doesn't even register.
Well Jak C'est Toi,
I feed my cows grass. The chickens follow behind.
I feed my pigs coconuts as they till the soil.
I grow my own rice, and beans. Tons of them.
I actually do improve my local ecology, and by extension, that of the larger world.
Yes, I use them there interwebs. Q'uelle problem!
I don't think that's a huge sin, and I balance its consumption with its utility.
Balance, a delicate act.
One our global society is failing.
But, you know, you have your family--now. Que feliz!
Later, when your crusty ass is dead and done,
they'll look back at your wasteful, ignorant work,
and wonder why, with the world wide web before you,
knowledge beckoning to be understood and applied,
you stayed in the herd with the rest of the sheeple,
and did what you were told, while thinking you were some maverick.
Que triste!
So go on, puff up your pigeon chest, and expound on my putative bumper stickers. Heap opprobrium on me.
I'll spread some compost instead.
I'll grow something real, fresh, and good.
You...will wither, and die.
Hope those water and grain subsidies don't dry up sooner than you think. God forbid you do something sustainable and have to ask a liberal for forgiveness.
Nah, you're too stubborn to do that.
Nose, face, scalpel.
You know the drill.


Buenas noches, Pinche.

Jak se-
You make such a charge and then pussycat away. I don't have the patience to ask again, so we'll just call it a check you can't cash and move on.

Later

(But Gawd she's cute)

That's what's so cool about having a grandchild: All the joy and fun of a kid, but none of the poop.

I feed my cows grass. The chickens follow behind.
I feed my pigs coconuts as they till the soil.
I grow my own rice, and beans. Tons of them

If you had any understanding whatsoever of production agriculture, you would understand how atrociously ignorant your rant shows you to be.

Line by line.

Now you go back to being a talking potato and await the apocalypse.

And that's got to go in a landfill someday.


Perhaps that will temper some of your joy.


If you truly "care".

#54 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-02-05 12:31 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Not necessarily Mao. That plastic car seat can be ate up and recycled again and again and again. It could be renewed.

Larry

That plastic car seat can be ate up and recycled again and again and again.

It doesn't matter, Larry.

Recycling has become an industry.

People are profiting from recycling.

They're taking those profits and simply using them to further the excess and consumer culture that got us here in the first place.

More plastic shit.

More waste.

More illegal wars to pay for the resources to produce it.

Recycling is unsustainable.

--Excerpted from Pinche_Mao@Counterpunch.org

Yes, Naziism.

The idea that humanity is a petri dish that monsters like yourself can simply "tinker" with until we all reach a state of perfection here on earth.

Uh-huh.

So wot's yer plan, Mao?

Just kick back and let events unfold as they will because we're all in God's hands and He's got a plan that out wee minds are simply incapable of comprehending?

Odd that you should mention Petri dishes.

Davis Suzuki, a guy Spud quite admires, once compared the untrammelled human population rise to bacteria in a petri dish full of food.

The population growth curve is parabolic at first and then there's a massive kill off as the food is eaten and eventually the entire dish is full of dead bacteria who've choked to death on their own shit.

A massive simplification in certain respects but dead on in the main.

The difference between ourselves and those bacteria is that can actively chose a different course that leads to the survival of our species and indeed our planet.

Spud choses Free Will and Sentience and Long Term Sustainability.

Wot does Mao chose?

Denial?

God's Plan?

Insults?

Making haughty, arrogant, useless unarguments in blogworld till the cows come home?

Do tell.

Be Well.

The population growth curve is parabolic at first and then there's a massive kill off as the food is eaten and eventually the entire dish is full of dead bacteria who've choked to death on their own shit.

That's certainly the narrative in regards to population dynamics in the animal world.

But human beings have the ability to modify their environment and compensate for its changes.

That's why we grow more food than ever on fewer and fewer acres of land.

And develop more and more disease and drought tolerant crops.

And produce more and more food while providing the distribution mechanisms necessary to feed a population that increasingly finds itself further and further from the regions that actually produce the food it eats.

The monkeys can't do that, Spud.

So wot's yer plan, Mao?

My plan is to continue to use the resources and technology provided to me by an affluent, capitalistic, and market-based economy to provide better and more efficient ways to produce the kind of product my consumer demands of me.

Jak se mao means he will continue to rip his customers off by any means necessary. He is a dishonest man after all.

I feed my cows grass. The chickens follow behind.
I feed my pigs coconuts as they till the soil.
I grow my own rice, and beans. Tons of them

~Regime Change.

If you had any understanding whatsoever of production agriculture, you would understand how atrociously ignorant your rant shows you to be.

Line by line.

~Jakarta Mao

Wow, that's almost telling him.

/Except fer the part where you didn't say anything.

Now you go back to being a talking potato and await the apocalypse.

Regime Change is a talking potato too?

How cool is that?!

Spud sez... Hail Brutha Tuber to Regime Change!

Also, do get it straight, Mao.

Spud's the one trying to do sommat about avoiding an apolyptic/ dystopic/ unsustainable future.

Yer the one doing all the awaiting.

Tsk tsk.

Be Well.

My plan is to continue to use the resources and technology provided to me by an affluent, capitalistic, and market-based economy to provide better and more efficient ways to produce the kind of product my consumer demands of me.

As opposed to your plan, Spud, of using the resources and technology provided to you by an affluent, capitalistic, and market-based economy to bash those very things.

Ever wonder why there's no Sub-Sahara African members of the left-wing blogosphere?

They live pretty much like you'd have us live.

My plan is to continue to use the resources and technology provided to me by an affluent, capitalistic, and market-based economy to provide better and more efficient ways to produce the kind of product my consumer demands of me.

Ah, so yer going with the "mindless cog" option, eh?

Interesting choice.

Be Well.

/Hey. Ya know wot might make you more efficient? Instead of just feeding yer cattle other dead cattle you might wanna consider going through the local papers and adopting a whack of free kittens then running them through a wood chipper.
//Yer bottom line would improve and yer cows might appreciate the new flava.

Regime Change is a talking potato too?

How cool is that?!

Oops.

My bad.

You almost fooled me there for a moment.

What was I thinking?

Instead of just feeding yer cattle other dead cattle

Yet another demonstration of sheer ignorance.

It delegitimizes the message you're attempting to convey.

And that's a formidable hurdle unto itself.

Spud's the one trying to do sommat about avoiding an apolyptic/ dystopic/ unsustainable future.

I am too.

And I produce more and more product with less and less resource---and actively and continually seek new ways to do so.

You produce posts on left-wing blogs about "wage-slaves" and "spaceship earth".

Ah, so yer going with the "mindless cog" option, eh?
| Posted by dethspud


Why wouldn't he keep using this plan? It allowed him to blindly support Bush all those years. Pinche only pretends to be smart. Much like House on TV only pretends to be a doctor.

Or I could be a real-live chickenshit motherfucker that sends self-destruct emails with other peoples' name on them.

My plan is to continue to use the resources and technology provided to me by an affluent, capitalistic, and market-based economy to provide better and more efficient ways to produce the kind of product my consumer demands of me.

As opposed to your plan, Spud, of using the resources and technology provided to you by an affluent, capitalistic, and market-based economy to bash those very things.

Ever wonder why there's no Sub-Sahara African members of the left-wing blogosphere?

They live pretty much like you'd have us live.

#78 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-02-05 02:01 AM | Reply | Flag: MAKES SENSE

As opposed to your plan, Spud, of using the resources and technology provided to you by an affluent, capitalistic, and market-based economy to bash those very things.

Ever wonder why there's no Sub-Sahara African members of the left-wing blogosphere?

They live pretty much like you'd have us live.

zOMFG!

Is that a joke?

Or are you really that stupid and/or naive as to think that that's Spud's plan?

Saying that we live in a society in which there is too much deliberate waste because of planned obsolecence and perceived obsolencence and that we need to make some changes does NOT equate to Spud saying that we should all be walking around dressed in reed loincloths that we all wove ourselves.

Suggesting the curbing human population growth through more education generally, sex education specifically, condom distribution, and global access to birth control including abortion does NOT equate to suggesting that a return to Flintstonian times is advisable or even possible.

Your idea of wot Spud's plan is achieves EPIC FAIL.

Yer own plan is an unplan much like yer unarguments wot Spud alluded to earlier.

Yer insults, on the other hand, are pretty good.

Real zippy. Bringing the 'Zazz.

But seriously, Mao, if you really want to try and influence this debate and be taken even marginally seriously yer gonna hafta try a little harder.

Be Well.

jaksemao why not send me an email so I can come out and personally view your farming operation?

Treasure your anonymity, bitch.

Or be a man and send all of us a real email to say what you have to say.

I guess you are ashamed of your broken down farm oh well. Just know I am not and have never been a chickenshit as you claim I am.

Yet another demonstration of sheer ignorance.

It's a joke, son, get over yerself.

I am too.

And I produce more and more product with less and less resource---and actively and continually seek new ways to do so.

Well good on you fer that.

S'rsly.

You produce posts on left-wing blogs about "wage-slaves" and "spaceship earth".

Wealth inequity isn't a real issue all of a sudden?

When did mankind solve that one?

Was Spud in the can or sommat?

"Spaceship Earth"?

O R'ly?

Cite an instance of that specific verbiage being used by Spud or declare yerself to be a lying POS.

Yer choice.

Life is choice.

Choose Well.

Be Well.

/#78 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-02-05 02:01 AM | Reply | Flag: NONSENSE

FTFY, Mr FAIL.

No need to thank Spud.

All part of me spuddish helpful nature is that.

^_^

Suggesting the curbing human population growth through more education generally, sex education specifically

You know what curbs human population?

Increased GDP.

You know what conditions constitute a decreased GDP?

Agrarian societies that, on a national scale, have to produce food with methods that effete, western left-wing fucks have the luxury of emulating because they have a trust-fund back-up.

Wealth inequity isn't a real issue all of a sudden?

No.

Not in a western society.

"Wealth inequity" isn't an issue unless it creates a degree of immiserization among the people that threatens the stability of a government.

Otherwise, its a useless abstraction used by pampered left-wingers as a springboard to bad public policy and Marxist outcomes.

FTFY, Mr FAIL.


There you go again, Spud. This isn't clever or funny or useful in any way. One thing I can assure you: I will never "debate" you by abusing your name.

Be well. I mean that.

Increased GDP

Good one!

Wot? Yer serious with that?

Bwa hahahahahaha!

Oh Mousy Dung, you truly do "know the price of everything and the value of nothing".

If that wasn't so darned funny to Spud it would definitely be sad.

Be Well.

/Well, THAT was fun but Spud's gotta run, don't fergit to empty yer drool bucket every half hour or so or to clean up the foam and spittle from yer keyboard afore leaving.
//Exiting the Deranged & Rtarded Drudge Retort as a lefty leaning tater o' doom likes to do
stage left.

Oh Mousy Dung, you truly do "know the price of everything and the value of nothing".

That's a platitude, not an argument.

Don't relegate yourself to being an ignorant, left-wing piece of shit.

The world has so much more to offer.

I am not and have never been a chickenshit

Oh, but you're very much a chickenshit.

That's the consensus around here, anyways...

Don't relegate yourself to being an ignorant, left-wing piece of shit.

Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

I guess it is better being an ignorant right wing piece of shit like yourself? You post away but say nothing. The lack of value in your posts rivals that of Johnson. You however need to lengthen your posts to eclipse him. I will credit you though. You mask your ignorance well with an outstanding vocabulary.

You post away but say nothing.

Maybe I could send a self-detruct email.

Like a chickenshit.

There aught to be a Law that States internet trolls and trools must get castrated so they do not spread their disease upon the rest of the Human Population. That would nip it in the bud as they say.

Larry

You mask your ignorance well with an outstanding vocabulary.

And you exhibit your cowardice well with an outstanding ability to channel "spiffy.net".

Larry we tangled and I won. Let the past be just that.

Did you get your ass beat a lot in High School, "Ninja"?

I'm glad you're using the trappings of anonymity to get your self-esteem back---one step at a time.

You'll show 'em all, won't you?


No Jak I was actually a bully in HS. I tortured my fellow classmates. I was told by a guy that he would murder me if he could get away with it.


Larry we tangled and I won. Let the past be just that.

Posted by rastaninja at 2009-02-05 02:42 AM | Reply


You fucking lying sack of shit. We didn't debate. You just like shitting on people thats all jackass. Some of us know the score. You are a piece of bshit that should be castrated so You do not further pollute the gene pool. You are worthless Jackass. Hell You had to steal a fucking handle from Lokisfur for fuck sake. You won nothing. Oh and how many other people have You impersonated from You jackass??? You are worse than scum.

Larry


Did you get your ass beat a lot in High School, "Ninja"?


I'm glad you're using the trappings of anonymity to get your self-esteem back---one step at a time.


You'll show 'em all, won't you?



#102 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-02-05 02:43 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Hell He had to steal that handle from Lokisfur. Yeah Lokisfur's third handle was Rastaninjja(Not a typo He had 2 j's in His. Fucked up I tell You what Moa.

Larry

No Jak I was actually a bully in HS. I tortured my fellow classmates.
Posted by rastaninja

Tortured them by sending notes around the classroom, no doubt.

I saw a south park episode once that talked about the smug (play off of smog) problem from all the people buying hybrid cars. How holy some of you are for claiming you are better than others because you don't do this, or do that. You guys make the worst religious hyporcrits look like light weights!

How about some objectivity here. Assuming it really does take 18,500 gallons of jet fuel to fly from NYC to London (and this would be a very large aircraft with horrible headwinds). With only 250 people on board, this would give us 14 miles per gallon. Realistically we should cut this number in half, and assume a longer flight distance (3460 miles, NYC to London). Average commercial flight mileage is 70+ mpg which is better than any hybrid out there.

"Ever wonder why there's no Sub-Sahara African members of the left-wing blogosphere?"

Are there SSA members of the rightwing blogosphere? Maybe 'cause they don't have fucking COMPUTERS? Yeesh, not even reductive logic--just no logic.

All right, I'm sliding into DR-style anger.

So just this: Why is trying to move toward greater sustainability equivalent to living in a desert? Um. It's not. There's a whole spectrum here, folks. I participate in the world most Americans live in. I also create less garbage through recycling (which yes, is a business, and is suspect, but that doesn't mean we should do less of it) and composting. That saves me money, gives me better dirt, and makes me feel good. So what's the problem? Oh, and "recycling takes too much time"? (An argument I hear all the time.) Time away from what? And what do you mean? Set up a system, and make it work. Of course, really all the recycling consumers do won't change a fucking thing until _business_ changes the way it deals with production and waste. (And no, business is not to blame for all the ills of modern society; that's a comment that works in both directions--toward business and toward ecologists/recycle mavens.)

Pragmatist:

That's just too sensible. And it doesn't allow Jak to hang on to his vain belief that he's doing everything he can and should be patted on the back for perpetuating his paradigm.

The "modern," technologically enslaved farmer is in trap from which he can't seem to escape. Like the doctor who believes in better living through chemistry, attacking the symptom and not the cause, he relies on petrochemicals to spray his fields, push his tractor, transport his yield. He tinkers with DNA to produce seed that is more attuned to having toxins sprayed on it because in his mind, bugs are evil, and his system is good. He feeds his cows grain because it's (artificially) cheap, fattens his herd faster than he could on species appropriate food (ie. grass--and he's not a true student of soil so his grass isn't what it could be), and worries not a whit about anything other than his margin, which is forever shrinking. Like the bankers who believed they could obviate risk entirely with complex derivatives, he pursues a zero-sum strategy of more and more food with less and less nutritional value, and will be more surprised than anyone when it blows up in his face.

And what has this culture of mechanized monoculture wrought? Colony collapse disorder in stressed bees that have been pushed too far, topsoil eroding like the value of the stock market, contaminated food entering the supermarkets at every opportunity, a greater and greater distance between the farm and the plate in an unceasing attempt to put anything in the world on anybody's menu at any time. These, of course, are just a few results of this madness.

But Pinche Jaks off to the ADM slogan that he's the supplier of a supermarket to the world. He can't think in terms of localizing aspects of the industry, of having farmers return to the immutable natural laws they obeyed before, of a field lying fallow, of diversity and seed collection. He must produce! Constantly! He must deride any one who espouses community supported agriculture or urban gardens as "idiot" who just doesn't "understand" the way things are, because all he sees are gaping, starving mouths waiting desperately for his conveyor belt of convenience to deliver the next meal. He doesn't understand that the way things are is not necessarily the way they should, or must, be.

Easier to insult, keep his eyes locked on his field of GMO soybeans, and drive his tractor into the horizon...

He can't think in terms of localizing aspects of the industry

Oh, I can think in terms of localizing the industry just fine.

Unfortunately, the real world---with its pesky economic and geographic reality---isn't a Disney movie upon which truly ignorant persons like yourself may project their "solutions" they've hammered to shape the tenets of their child-like ideology.

We are a post-industrial nation with a nation full of people who live in metropolitan areas---far away from the sources of food we consume. That is why we develop systems to mass produce and transport food---efficiently and safely.

In light of that basic fucking reality, the notion of "growing your own food" a la some stupid-ass hippie commune is ridiculous. People live in cities and lack the land resources to do so. And even if they did, they'd be creating a million new point-sources of pollution (run-off, etc.)

He feeds his cows grain because it's (artificially) cheap, fattens his herd faster

No, dumbass. You feed grain because it creates the kind of marbling in the meat cut that makes it taste so good. And that's only for about the last 120 to 190 days. That's what the consumer wants. If you want grass-fed because it makes you feel good about yourself to eat it, then be my guest. I'll charge you more for it while cutting my production costs.

grass--and he's not a true student of soil so his grass isn't what it could be)

Being a "student of soil" doesn't do a goddamn thing for your range grass production. A thorough understanding of the principles and practices of grazing management and the proper application of those practices to your individual operation does.

The "modern," technologically enslaved farmer is in trap from which he can't seem to escape.

The modern technology is what allows more yield on less acreage to feed your stupid ass, keeps you affluent, and allow you the luxury of jacking yourself off to whatever specious, luddite indictment of society you can think of next. The modern technology also allows advances in crop science, water & nutrient management, range management, etc. to increase efficiency and do more with less.

In short, your average ag producer does more in an hour to improve the ecology, sustainability, and stewardship of the world around him than some sniveling hippie fuck can do in a lifetime of exhibiting his bumper-sticker mentality on a blog.

He must deride any one who espouses community supported agriculture or urban gardens as "idiot" who just doesn't "understand" the way things are

I deride ignorant idiots who use the trappings and technology provided to them by an affluent society to implore us to return to some pre-industrial, agrarian Ejido shithole.

Bring more to the table than left-wing clichs if you wish to be taken seriously.

i spent $33.00 at a thrift store this week and this is what we purchased:

1 oxford shirt for our son

8 american eagle, aeropostale, gap, a&f tees and sweaters for our daughter

1 pair american eagle jeans for our daughter

7 longsleeve pullover type dress tops (all name brand)

2 pair of slack-type pants for dress.

this was someone else's "waste" we benefitted from! the owner of the store buys most of her stock from the east coast and much of it is brand new.

and we give clothing we no longer wear or the kidz have outgrown to clothing closets or trade at thrift stores.

time to buckle down, people.

Like I said, Jak, and what you can't refute, is that the system you subscribe to is fundamentally flawed.
Monoculture doesn't work long term. Diversification is paramount.
Clearly, we live in a post industrial society. Well, most of us.
Suburban sprawl and "cheap" cars have contributed to cause the current dilemma. Plenty of other societies are a lot closer to their food, and they don't live in agrarian shitholes.
We create infinite piles of waste, and none of it seems to make our life happier or better. The poor in Costa Rica are a lot happier than most of the rich folks I know in the US, addicted as they are to their constantly updating technology, living in fear of some terrorist or other ilk.
There are lessons to be learned from the past, and useful technology of the present to apply to creating a better future. One that doesn't shrug its shoulders at the status quo and keep on marching in line.
You think grain fed beef--which, by the way, in as little as 2 weeks changes the fatty acid profile and turns it from a health food into a junk food--is tastier than grass fed. I'd put my Nelores up against your Beefmasters any day, and the salient difference beyond taste would be, of course, that mine are organic, and as nature intended. Cut off your water and grain subsidies and your beef would be many times higher to produce, and profit would escape you entirely. And of course, you contribute to heart disease and other ills. You're killing people, actually. But you bitch about the displacement of "indigenous" peoples and claim some guilt on that score. You should concentrate on your current crimes.
You don't know the life I lead. It's a balance of the urban cosmopolitan and the country/jungle agrarian. There is cross over. The difference is that I can entirely unplug and be just fine. You can't. And my neighbors can do the same, and so on.
We'll be fine without oil. You won't.
To quote brother Spud, "Epic FAIL."
Now, go fuck off back to your "farm."

Ah, yes, the other argument lost in the consumption discussion is that we throw away a LOT of stuff that is still useful to someone. Thrift stores ROCK. And Freecycle is a GREAT idea. If someone had found a way to profit from it, the capitalists (so called) would laud it. (Though that would sort of defeat the purpose.)

And of course, we have an economy based on manufacture and purchase, so the argument keeps coming back that we just have to buy stuff and use use use. Which takes me back to my idea that the stimulus package is all wrong for another set of reasons.

Like I said, Jak, and what you can't refute, is that the system you subscribe to is fundamentally flawed.

What you seem to have trouble grasping is that simply defaulting to greater and greater layers of abstraction when your nose is rubbed in your own bullshit isn't really a form of argumentation. In other words, rejecting "the system I subscribe to" is a rejection of the fundamental dynamics of societal evolution.

Monoculture doesn't work long term.

That doesn't make any fucking sense.

Diversification is paramount.

Yet another breathtakingly stupid and meaningless assertion.

There's as much "diversity" in modern production agricultural practices as in any other element of society.

Suburban sprawl and "cheap" cars have contributed to cause the current dilemma

Except we're not in a dilemma.

You're simply fabricating a "crisis" because its needed to sustain the myopic, self-loathing ideology that gives your life meaning.

The poor in Costa Rica are a lot happier than most of the rich folks I know in the US

Your anecdotal, self-serving horsehit is duly noted.

You think grain fed beef--which, by the way, in as little as 2 weeks changes the fatty acid profile and turns it from a health food into a junk food--is tastier than grass fed

I don't merely "think" it. I observe it.

I'd put my Nelores up against your Beefmasters any day

And I'll put my market share up against yours.

Cut off your water and grain subsidies and your beef would be many times higher to produce, and profit would escape you entirely.

We produce our own water, for starters, by pumping it out of the ground. And, like most cattle producers, we don't use grain subsidies because we don't raise grain. And in fact (assuming retained ownership through the feed-out phase) we would make a great deal more if we didn't feed them out.

But that's where the demand is, and the job is to meet the demand.

Other than the fact that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about---and couldn't tell me what end of a cow gets up first---you also have an atrociously fucked understanding of market economics. You don't produce a product no one wants and then piss your pants when someone else does.

But you bitch about the displacement of "indigenous" peoples and claim some guilt on that score.

What are you talking about?

You don't know the life I lead.

Perhaps not, but I'm certain it has little to do with producing much of anything other than left-wing preening from a position of sheer ignorance.

I hope your huge market share makes up for your tiny cock.
I sell every cow I raise.
I produce food for hundreds of people.
I don't destroy the earth for a short term, monetary gain.
And yet, I make a profit.
I employee people, contribute to the good of the society, etc.
You support a system in crisis, but you're too stupid to see it.
Now, go drive your tractor. The only person preening in this tete a tete is you, pea-cock.

I sell every cow I raise.

I keep mine and sell their calves.

It does wonders for the continuity of one's operation.

I produce food for hundreds of people.

I do too.

I don't destroy the earth for a short term, monetary gain.

Nor do I.

In fact, I make it better via habitat management, brush management, water distribution, etc.

And yet, I make a profit.

Good on ya.

I employee people, contribute to the good of the society, etc.

So do most large cow/calf producers.

And feedlots.

And chemical companies.

etc.

You support a system in crisis, but you're too stupid to see it.

Well, no, see....the problem is that you've created a world for yourself whereby you need to believe the world around you is in "crisis"---and that everybody is going to shrivel up and die unless they subscribe to your silly, trust-funded hobby of seeing how "sustainable" you can be.

Because without the impending doom that awaits us all, your just an obnoxious and self-righteous hippie dumbfuck screaming cliches at the world of progressive 21st century agriculture as it passes you by and laughs at you.

Now, go drive your tractor

You also seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what ranchers do vs. what farmers do.

But I don't have the time or the inclination to parse through all the things you have a fundamental misunderstanding of....

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

Bush's fault.

Also, water vapour in the exhaust creates contrails that act as seeds for cirrus clouds, reflecting heat back to Earth.
I thought Zat said water vapor does not contribute to global warming?

Two words: Daniel Quinn.

It's a balance of the urban cosmopolitan and the country/jungle agrarian.

It just occurred to me that this pontificating little prick is claiming to "ranch" in the rainforest.

So tell us, Mr. Whole Earth Wrangler, how does one create enough grass production in a fucking jungle to sustain the non-native, grass-munching ungulates you've decided to put there?

In this period of crisis, many Latin American nations including Costa Rica began or expanded cattle ranching as an economic method for the obtaining of crucially needed foreign exchange.

The demand for beef in the United States was extraordinarily high and these dollar strapped nations chose clear-cutting and deforestation as the central formula to earn dollars. In particular, Costa Rica deforested much of its tropical rain forests and Latin America in general lost 11 percent of its rain forests to cattle ranching alone.

The persuasiveness of deforestation within Central and South American nations is illustrated in Table 82-1 along with other nations from Africa and Asia for comparison. Remembering that one hectare is equal to 2.5 acres, Costa Rica lost over 310,000 acres in just one decade.

www.american.edu

You have the fucking nerve to come onto this site and berate American cattle producers for their lack of "sustainability" while you feed those ear-y Indicus pukes some watery, no-protien having shit grass that grows for a mere couple of years after you've slashed and burned a patch of jungle.

You're a real piece of work, Vagine Change...

You're a real piece of work, Vagine Change...

#122 | Posted by Jacque_Se_Mao

Clever--on a grade school level.

Classify ourselves as a virus, Regime Change? Quote the Matrix much?

Am I really witnessing this?...our beautiful drudgistan is devolving into a battle between the Rancher vs. the Farmer????


What decade is it?

if you consume fuel in a combustion propelled vehicle you consume too much....


mutant ( who is a hypocritdemorepublicraticitcan propelling in a combustion propelled vehicle at at least 200 HP of aluminum encased power and an average 30 miles per gallon of petrol with a daily m-f commute of 10 miles RT)....

What decade is it?

#123 | Posted by bocaink


Does it matter?

In spacetime a decade is less than a nanosecond.

Hey Jaky,

Yes, I ranch/farm in a rainforest. But I didn't cut the trees down, somebody else did that long ago. We're reforesting, but, que lastima, you can't plant jungle trees in a cow pasture, there's too much sun, only the weeds really flourish. You have to create understory first, and that takes time. Cows are good lawnmowers. Our system is permaculture, Bill Mollison's precepts, put into action. Nobody's really tried it in a rainforest before. It's pretty exciting for the local community, and nice that after a decade we're not only feeding people healthy food and paying wages above what they get working for toxic rice operations, we're seeing the jaguars come down from the back forest through our new corridors to feast on the occasional pig or calf. It makes the guys a bit worried, they still value livestock more than wildlife, but I've assured them we can always grow more cows and pigs.

I'm not saying this system is the only choice, it's obviously more complicated than that. What I am saying is it's always better to be more efficient and sustainable. You go on supporting chemical companies. I'll keep looking for ways to do more with less--and not at the expense of future generations.

Oh, and as for American Ranchers: my family in FL ranches a hell of a lot more land than you do, and have for 5 generations. And they do it on grass. I'm not disparaging Ranchers in general, I'm disparaging a system that misallocates resources. Why should the US grass fed beef mainly come from NZ and Uruguay? Hell, we went from selling the beef ourselves to a cow-calf operation where these beautiful healthy animals end up in a feedlot in Iowa. Doesn't make sense economically if you factor real cost, but it makes sense in this America. That's what I'm decrying. You don't look outside of your "I'm feeding the world" box; you just keep talking out of the same part of the cow that gets up first--you know, the ass.

I noticed the Whole Earth Cowboy suddenly quit writing in verse.

Beyond that, I'm not much interested in hearing your attempts to justify your management practices after your ignorant rant(s) against others.

my family in FL ranches a hell of a lot more land than you do

Now how in the hell would you know that?

Or are you simply talking out your ass, again?

And they do it on grass

So do we---and almost every other cow/calf producer west of the Mississippi.

Hell, we went from selling the beef ourselves to a cow-calf operation where these beautiful healthy animals end up in a feedlot in Iowa.

Why would you sell beef calves to a cow-calf operation? That doesn't make any sense. And why are you conflating a feedlot operation with a cow-calf one?

You have an alarming lack of knowledge regarding the cow business for a "5th generation" rancher. In fact, I'm fairly convinced you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I'll keep looking for ways to do more with less

*rolls eyes*

Well, welcome to the age-old, fundamental precept of the ranching business---especially as it applies to operators in a part of the world with less than 15" annual rainfall.

Quit acting as if you've somehow discovered the secrets of the fucking universe with your supposed ecological "enlightenment".

Maybe next time you take the G-IV down to "Costa" Daddy will let you spend a little more time bouncing around the ranch with Artemio so you can learn a little more about what the fuck you're talking about.

Would that I had a G-IV, Jak. Of course, unless I were headed to Tokyo to do some trillion dollar deal, that would be a fair waste of resources as well. The Continental flight works just fine.
You seem to have me confused with the trustafarians you rail about.
*rolls eyes*
Unless you have one of the 3 or 4 herds bigger than ours, yours is smaller.
Call it an educated guess.
You're an angry dude, which seems at odds with your smug self satisfaction. You took such grave exception to my original post and the (certainly well worn) metaphor of a "spaceship earth." You failed to notice it was a little tongue in cheek, and I advocated for what all sectors of society, and all members of the political spectrum could do to conserve more. You labeled me a liberal cliche monger. Better than being a hate monger I guess.
And you're confused on the transition: we sold beef cows ourselves, under our own label, with our own packing house, etc.
We sold the brand, and are now a cow-calf operation, like your own.
The grass is fine, but as you know, the "demands" of the industry are centered around grain fed cows, which fatten in a shorter period of time.
The nutritional qualities of the beef aren't the determining factors, but rather simple weight. At 10 months, the industry dictates you send them to the lot for the finishing, getting that weight on in an unnaturally short period of time. But, you know all this.
Still, you gloss over the ramifications of that diet. Health isn't your concern, profit is.
Still, there's an opportunity to expand into the Southeast with direct to market grass fed beef, and realize about 4x return compared to the current model. That's what I'm working on with about 5% of the herd...about a 1000 cows.
I'm not a cowboy by trade, never claimed to be. I went to elite schools and studied liberal arts, built businesses, sold them, and eventually found my way to the tropics. The idea of sustainability was borne of necessity, and it's hardly the secret of the universe but it is a noble pursuit. The real cowboys down there seem to dig it, as we spend less on vaccines and anti-parasite meds, the cows are healthier, and there's the added benefit of growing a full complement of food rather than just one thing. They eat for free, which is always appreciated.
In the end, I don't have to justify what I do or who I am to a crank like you. If you think there's no crisis in the ecological world (among other crises in the world), then you're in such a strong denial nothing save your well running dry will let you know there might be a problem.
As for my shift from "verse" to a more prosaic form, well, let's just say I'm flexible.
Unlike you.

In the end, I don't have to justify what I do or who I am to a crank like you.

#128 | Posted by regime_change at 2009-02-06 02:26 PM | Reply


But that's exactly what you have been trying to do, and you've been doing it poorly from the get go.

Dust yourself off.

How are you enjoying this 'global warming'?


It's cold as fuck here in Michigan.

#17 | Posted by JeffJ


Who would have known it would be cold in winter?

Will miracles never cease?

Really 101?
My explication came only after repeated vilification from the Jako.
Kinda like if I said I disagreed not only with your policy on war, but that you weren't a soldier either.
The first is up for debate, the second shouldn't be.
I know what I do, where I fail, where I succeed.
It's a journey, bumpersticker lyric though that may be, it's still apt.
Some groundhog chemical spreader in Texas whose sole contribution to the drudge retort in the 4 or 5 years I've been around it is angry attempts to belittle everyone from a theoretical position of intellectual and moral authority, can, in fact, go fuck himself as he normally does.
But he provides a useful foil at times.
And for the lurkers and others reading the exchange, I'm confident the points I've made resound.
I'm sure Jak appreciates your support though.
It's lonely out there on the plains.

You brought your "vilification" upon yourself because you introduced yourself to the thread by providing a series of stupid, self-righteous and preening posts about the "unsustainability" and "waste" of others.

And then you proceeded to show everyone just how fucking ignorant and/or full of shit you are when you attempt to apply such preening to the cow business.

belittle everyone from a theoretical position of intellectual and moral authority

I can assure you the position of intellectual and moral authority from which I belittle you is quite tangible.

I'm confident the points I've made resound.

You haven't made any points.

You're simply enamored with the idea that you've deviated from a standard industry practice of finishing cattle with grain.

... Do you think anything could temper the joy this sweet face brings to me?

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2009-02-05 01:06 AM


With the twinkle in those eyes, it's easy to see how
this little angel face has stolen your heart.


Am I really witnessing this?...our beautiful drudgistan is devolving into a battle between the Rancher vs. the Farmer????

The major wars in the future are not going to be over oil, but fresh water. With global opulations increasing and access to fresh drinking water and water to grow crops decreasing, it's not hard to see water will be of the most value. Unless there is some way to make salt water more palatable through desalination, fresh water will be the most valuable commodity.



And until the price of water begins to approach the value of it, its not going to get any better.

Tangible morals, Jak?
More evidence of that position of intellectual superiority you're so enamored with [sic].

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