Perhaps Rick Warren should be battered by his wife to see how it feels..........

"Evangelicals: Domestic Abuse No Excuse for Divorce"

Turn the other cheek.

This is an extreme far right wing view, and not one shared by pastors of churches that have progressed past the 19th century.

These people aren't real Christians.
They're money grubbing fakes that give Christianity a bad name.
This seems to be the latest agenda. Give Christianity a bad name and promote social Darwinism.
Let's all worship at the feet of the new messiah Obaaawmaaa.

Long Live the Rule of Thumb! That is in the Book of Luke, right?

That's what you get for following outdated, superstitious, woman hating ME religions.

It's a MIRACLE (pun intended) women are even religious at all considering how they are treated.

I think the Christian answer to this question is that your body is Gods temple, and should not be defiled. It is not only allowed for a woman to leave an abusive husband, but it is her duty to do so.
However that doesn't necessarily mean she should immediately divorce him. She should seek guidance thru prayer, and her church. Reconciliation is sometimes an option.

These are the same people who tell us gay people should not be allowed to marry because it would take away the sanctity of wife beating.

"Let's all worship at the feet of the new messiah Obaaawmaaa."

wait is jeffndenmark and vernon the same guy

"obama's fault"

From the article:

"In this community, which has become more active in the last several years, theologically focused, and often biblically literalist, women are working to reconcile their belief in the literal truth of the Bible with language that has long justified male authority and female subjugation in literalist churches."

and

"Simply put, Roberts says, "A Bible-believing Christian woman needs a biblical argument for leaving a dangerous marriage because she loves God and wants to obey the BibleHer scriptural dilemma can only be solved by applying and properly interpreting more scripture to counterbalance and correct her unbalanced emphases and misunderstandings.""

So fixing an aspect of bible literalism requires interpretation of the bible. Doesn't this make one a non-literalist then? It seems these people want to have their cake and eat it too.

"Give Christianity a bad name and promote social Darwinism."

Christianity gives itself a bad name, in fact it does it through similar mindsets you exhibit when you say:

"These people aren't real Christians.
They're money grubbing fakes that give Christianity a bad name."

Every Christian claims others are wrong and fake and never seem to even think of aiming their skepticism or judgmentalism at themselves.

"And we claim to be so superior to ultraconservative Muslims here in America?"

Psssssssst....... The difference between Americans and people living in conservative Muslim countries is that it is still illegal for us to beat the shit out of our wives even if the clergy says it not such a bad thing. The cops are going to lock you up for spousal abuse even as preacher Billy Bob tells your wife to walk it off.

That is a huge difference between us and Middle Eastern countries where spousal abuse is legal or decriminalized.

outdated views from an outdated source...quelle surprise.

That is a huge difference between us and Middle Eastern countries where spousal abuse is legal or decriminalized.

And we should all thank God that the evanjihadists and Republicans haven't managed to get a theocracy yet, or it wouldn't be.

Remember, the taliban's afghanistan was only one messiah short of the religious right's vision of a new Eden.

"This seems to be the latest agenda. Give Christianity a bad name and promote social Darwinism.
Let's all worship at the feet of the new messiah Obaaawmaaa."

You keep spouting this line I guess because you are so afraid of evolving into a rational being. If you were you wouldn't cower and hide when called out on topic.

P.S. X-tians don't need the media to give them a bad name, you guys do it all by yourselves. We just need the media to dig past all your church's lie's, falsehoods, mistruths and down right law breaking. I mean what's the count now on sheltered pedophiles within your ranks, 1-2million....more, less...what do yo think? Stop by any prison to see your church in action.....

LM

Saddlebacking: saddlebacking ˈsa-dəl-ˈba-kiŋ vb [fr. Saddleback Church] (2009): the phenomenon of Christian teens engaging in unprotected anal sex in order to preserve their virginities

After attending the Purity Ball, Heather and Bill saddlebacked all night because she's saving herself for marriage. Unfortunately her parents found out because they got santorum all over the sheets.

My father used to hit my mother. My father usually hit my mother when he was drinking, though sometimes he would do so sober, but usually apologize directly afterward. He died twenty years ago. My mother, is still alive and in her mid 80s. She dealt with it through her faith-- she is devout almost to a point of fault. She clutches her roasary beads still to this day throughout her sleep. I was born and raised a Catholic, still am I guess, even though I haven't set foot in church in ages. I still shake my head whenever I call her and she tells me before I hang up to make sure I pray for my father's soul.

The abuse would frequently fall on me as well, however I never considered it abuse. I understood it to be the price one had to pay to live. I fought with my father alot. I hated him while he was alive and I still hate him even now. That beign said, my father's grip, fist, & belt certainly prepared me for much I have encountered in my life-- namely, the depravity of mankind.

It shaped my entire wordview. I joined the Marines because of it. I have remained unmarried and childless because I fear becoming like my father.

I frequently get drunk and angry. Fortunately I have only myself (and the furniture) to abuse. My furniture is made of oak. It hurts me more than I can hurt it.

Even though my father was an absolute scoundrel, he was right about many things. He predicted the last fifteen or so years of this country- the wars, where we would be, what our politicians would be saying, and most of all, what would happen to the economy. Its quite startling in fact.

Sometimes I'll visit his grave and before I spit on it, I'll let him know about the things that happened the past year that he was absolutely right about. I'm sure it makes his decaying corpse happy.

As a drinker, (and perhaps borderline alcoholic) I will say this: we legalize alcohol consumption and encourage its abuse. This abuse leads to much violence in our country. That my dad, and many others could go down to the corner liquor store and grab whatever he wanted, drink it before he got home and then launch the back of his hand upon my mom for the rest of the night behind the privacy of his own walls shows that we really have no high ground to stand on with this subject.

Remember, the taliban's afghanistan was only one messiah short of the religious right's vision of a new Eden.

Insanity or willful ignorance? Hard to tell.

EVERY right you enjoy as an American... every single one, comes from the Judeo/Christian tradition and belief that people are special creations, made in the image of God, and have intrinsic worth. Jefferson, hardly a right wing zealot, said that rights come from GOD, not from governments.. and that philosophy, straight from the Bible, is the philosophical basis that until very recently, was the unquestioned backbone of American thinking. A way of thinking that has been better for the planet than anything that preceded it.

Be religious or don't be religious.. your choice.. but at least be smart enough to understand where your freedoms come from. Why would anyone object to having a good Christian as a neighbor? A person that believes in treating other like they wish to be treated, that believes that to claim to love God while hating his fellow man makes him a liar. All basic tenets of the Christian faith. To compare that to the hate filled nonesense that make up the Taliban philosophies is idiotic.

Christianity kills more people before 9 AM than most religions kill all day.

Marriage needs to be abolished. It's an antiquated concept that no longer accomplishes anything except excluding and marginalizing gays.

Sweet Caring Muslim Man Seeks Wife!

If you enjoy shrill music over loud speakers all day long; If you don't mind wearing full length clothing, showing absolutely no skin whatsoever(even face); If you're looking for a traditional home setting where you come at my beckon call, and may be divorced if you refuse; If you don't mind being humiliated and/or pistol-whipped in front of the children; If you are not adverse to my adding other women like yourself to my harem whenever I wish, THEN ALLAH MAY BE LEADING YOU TO ME!!!

WON'T YOU BE MY CONCUBINE?

Give me a call if you're interested!

Christianity kills more people before 9 AM than most religions kill all day.

hmmmm.. little evidence please... that's ridiculous.

that's ridiculous.

#21 | Posted by nmg_no at 2009-02-02 02:59 PM

But funny

#16 | Posted by JOE

Joe is a Savage Love reader.

That was an incredible post KG BEEKEEPER, probably the most honest I've read here. Strange that a man would be both very intelligent and also so violent.
I guess the one thing really has nothing to do with the other.

P.S. X-tians don't need the media to give them a bad name, you guys do it all by yourselves. We just need the media to dig past all your church's lie's, falsehoods, mistruths and down right law breaking. I mean what's the count now on sheltered pedophiles within your ranks, 1-2million....more, less...what do yo think? Stop by any prison to see your church in action.....

LM

#15 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel

I wonder why it is that Catholic seminaries are filled with homosexuals wanting to become priests? Why is it homosexuals are so attracted to the church? And why too are many of the same also pedophiles? I wonder what the relationship is between the two?

I also wonder why homosexuals are so quick to condemn the church for pedophilia and gay priests who played with boys, yet catholic seminaries are brim full of homosexuals.

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmmmmm!"

"According to Rick Warren's Saddleback church, divorce is only permitted in cases of adultery or abandonment"

On the whole I'd take a cheating husband over a beating husband or a leaving husband over a beating husband but hey, I haven't even read the bible, what do I know?

Joe is a Savage Love reader.

#23 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-02-02 03:07 PM

Isn't everyone? The Onion is great and the AVClub is even better.

#17 | Posted by k_g_beekeeper

you just tore my heart out with that one, kgb. a post hasn't gotten to me like that since somebody posted, I think it was Wisgod, about his dead daughter on Father's Day this year.

my formerly catholic prayers are with you.

That was an incredible post KG BEEKEEPER, - Danni

It's pretty rare that Danni and I are in agreement on anything.

Excellent post, KGB. Thank you for sharing that bit of intensely personal info.

Catholic extermination camps
Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveli, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar -
orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did
nothing to prevent them. [MV]

* Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters; the Viet Minh; - had finally defeated the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist Vietnamese were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:

"Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."

Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and monks were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of Buddhist teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - ; mostly in street riots ; - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps.

* Christianity kills the cat
On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers college in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she had been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months two Catholic priests - with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of Wrzburg - additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl with their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital - her body was littered with wounds - her parents, both of them
fanatical Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss Michel's grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number of similarly faithful Catholics (in the seventeenth century Wrzburg was notorious for it's extensive witch burnings).
This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and has become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]

* Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu and Tutsi ethnic groups.
For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused members of the church.

Christians love killing people

I wonder why it is that Catholic seminaries are filled with homosexuals wanting to become priests?#25 | Posted by TheOneBS

uhm... because it's the perfect closet?

"And we claim to be so superior to ultraconservative Muslims here in America? Please. We have our own fanatics, and they're equally disgusting. Fortunately for now, they haven't decided that God wants them to blow themselves up. They're perfectly content making public displays of their own backwardness. "

Fundamentalist Christians have infiltrated the US Military and the US Government and have relaunched the Crusades against the Muslim world and other non-Christians.

There is no difference between a suicide bomber and a US soldier. Both are willing to die in order to kill other people. The US soldier is just lucky to have weapons so they don't have to resort to strapping bombs to themsevles and sacrificing themselves.

Wow KGB! That was painful to read, so I can't even imagine what it was like to live through. All my prayers goto you.

Christians love killing people

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Kudos to one of the most moronic posts I've ever read.

Rick Warren and Fundamentalism is are repulisive.

Rastaninja is exemplifying all the characteristics of a closet-Christian afraid to come out of the closet, thus filled with self-loathing and self-hatred...projecting the same onto Christians in general.

All she has to say is, "Thou shalt no murder"
Self-defense isn't murder and it's better than divorce in this situation.

Christians love killing people

#32 | Posted by rastaninja at 2009-02-02 03:16 PM

Sir, you've got it backwards. The fact is that many people who have killed happen to belong to one religion or another. I recommend you read an actual book on this subject vs. trolling the Internet for stuff that magically fits your venomous anti-Christian position. I have a specific title in mind but I don't know if you are open-minded enough to try reading it. Let me know.

And in the meantime - Gee, Beaver don't be so goofy.

"Why is it homosexuals are so attracted to the church? And why too are many of the same also pedophiles? I wonder what the relationship is between the two?"

Start with with Jesus only hung out with dudes and you can conclude with your current Pope, who has hidden a ridiculous amount of pedophiles.....

I would also wonder why your church supports these people monetarily as well as legally when they are criminals....why do x-trians pretend to protect children when their whole goal is to subjugate and brainwash them, after a gam of "tag".....

LM

"Rastaninja is exemplifying all the characteristics of a closet-Christian afraid to come out of the closet, thus filled with self-loathing and self-hatred...projecting the same onto Christians in general"

If that makes him a closet x-trian it must make you a closet "ted haggard"??

LM

I think it is humans that do the killing, the excuse they use is variable from radical economic systems to ethnic hatreds to religions.
One thing though, religions still pretend to be our moral compass when they have been as guilty as any other force for evil.

It is Church policy that permits pedophiles to exist with the Catholic church, not Christianity. Catholics forbid their priests to marry or to have any form of sex, yet place them in control of a group of children. These priests spend the majority of their time either alone, with other priests, or with children. It is oppertunity, not policy.

"Why is it homosexuals are so attracted to the church? And why too are many of the same also pedophiles? I wonder what the relationship is between the two?"

Start with with Jesus only hung out with dudes and you can conclude with your current Pope, who has hidden a ridiculous amount of pedophiles.....

But LiberalHamSlammer, you haven't answered the question. Why is it homosexuals are so quick to condemn the church for not punishing homosexual priests, yet homosexuals are flooding into catholic seminaries?

They scream and pitch hissy fits toward the church for not puting a halt to its homophobia, then turn right around and condemn the church when it won't punish homosexual priests who are simply acting according to the way their good God created them.

I wonder if it has something to do with their own self-loathing which they frequently project on others?

LM

#42 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel at 2009-02-02 03:37 PM

Hey Einstein, it's never too late in life to educate yourself, Please note: not all Christians are Catholics and not all Catholics are real Christians. The same goes for Protestants and all other Christian types. And newsflash: not all Christians follow the pope and I sure as hell have NEVER met a Christian who thinks that bad priests should get a pass.

You'd be surprised how many regular people actually try to follow Christ's rules especially: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

You guys are really mixed up but now I can see how this rabid attitude could cloud your mind and make your mouth foam up.

You'd be surprised how many regular people actually try to follow Christ's rules

On a one-on-one basis, I have only met a few rabid crazy Christians. Most people are basically good as long as they think about something before reacting. It is the mob mentality that causes the problems...for all groups.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
#47 | Posted by MrFair

But what if you're a masochist?

Just asking.

FF for Hag.

Perhaps you just found the problem: most people living by that creed are masochists and feel they are following G-d's will.

I think it is humans that do the killing, the excuse they use is variable from radical economic systems to ethnic hatreds to religions.
One thing though, religions still pretend to be our moral compass when they have been as guilty as any other force for evil.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2009-02-02 03:38 PM

Danni - look at history and yes PEOPLE have used GOD or gods to justify all sorts of stuff.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
#47 | Posted by MrFair

But what if you're a masochist?

Just asking.

#49 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-02-02 03:53 PM

HAG - I used that joke in here a couple years ago, so KANREI I should get the FF!

With respect to your question, the jury is still beating themselves up over that point.

OK, FF for Mr Fair as well. I want to be fair.

EVERY right you enjoy as an American... every single one, comes from the Judeo/Christian tradition and belief that people are special creations, made in the image of God, and have intrinsic worth. Jefferson, hardly a right wing zealot, said that rights come from GOD, not from governments.. and that philosophy, straight from the Bible, is the philosophical basis that until very recently, was the unquestioned backbone of American thinking. A way of thinking that has been better for the planet than anything that preceded it

Interesting. Totally wrong, but interesting. What's the intrinsic worth of a black guy 6/10s of a white guy?

Every right you hold, you hold IN Spite of some church doctrine, not because of it. Do I need the churches permission to wear a condom? To have sex with a woman who is not my wife? To subsequently get divorced?
To be an atheist? To eat bacon on friday?

The greeks and the romans were toying with democracy centuries before the church stopped believing in the divine right of kings. Remember the render unot Caesar? No ballot box there.

Nobility first, and eventually the wealthy and land owners and finally working schlobs all got the right to vote through pressure, action and financial leverage, not cause Jeebus said they deserved it. The church supported slavery in 1865, Miscygony? Bad, according to many Christian churches. The Bible supports slavery, devalues women (beat them, but only with sticks as thick as your thumb) and says you're going to burn in hell for going to red lobster. When jefferson said rights come from God, not rulers,he was denying the divine right of kings used by the Anglical Church, to support George III, not because he believed in any kind of theocracy. The RC church worked damn hard to keep south and central american peasants in their place by backing right wing juntas. But maybe you mean, the right to be a brutal dictator flows from scripture. Saddam should have used that excuse, I guess.
As for the bible saying all people are special, does that include jews, muslims,aboriginals and non-believers, cause the church has used the bible to cheerfully slaughter all kinds of them.

he church changes when new moral thinking in society puts it on the edge of irrelevancy, not because it is leading in giving anybody rights.

the jury is still beating themselves up over that point.
#52 | Posted by MrFair

LOL... FF4U

No pun above intened. I don't want to be "MrFair," just a fair person.

I think it is humans that do the killing, the excuse they use is variable from radical economic systems to ethnic hatreds to religions.
One thing though, religions still pretend to be our moral compass when they have been as guilty as any other force for evil.

#44 | Posted by danni

Amen to that sister....

I think it is humans that do the killing, the excuse they use is variable from radical economic systems to ethnic hatreds to religions.
One thing though, religions still pretend to be our moral compass when they have been as guilty as any other force for evil.

#44 | Posted by danni

Amen to that sister....

No pun above intened. I don't want to be "MrFair," just a fair person.

#56 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-02-02 03:59 PM

Thanks KAN ! And no, you don't want to be Mr Fair. It's a lonely existence, this riding of the fence. Some might say "wishy-washiness."

One thing though, religions still pretend to be our moral compass when they have been as guilty as any other force for evil.

#44 | Posted by danni at 2009-02-02 03:38 PM

And thank you for saying "religions" and not just "Christianity" or "The Catholic Church" and for not lumping all Christians in the same bag together.

Rick Warren - Jerry Falwell in a Hawaiian shirt.

"But LiberalHamSlammer, you haven't answered the question. Why is it homosexuals are so quick to condemn the church for not punishing homosexual priests, yet homosexuals are flooding into catholic seminaries?"

I will answer in 2 parts, one homosexuality doesn't equal pedophile, something you can't grasp.

Two, your church is in the decline so they are begging for any sorry ass to join!!

"They scream and pitch hissy fits toward the church for not puting a halt to its homophobia, then turn right around and condemn the church when it won't punish homosexual priests who are simply acting according to the way their good God created them."

BS, you are severely confused here, either you are saying God creates homosexuality and by his creation they are acting according to HIS design(HAHAHAHAHA), or you are saying homosexuality is natural and therefore accepted by god. You are confused lil man.

LM

Lorene Bobbitt discovered an excellent alternative to divorce in dealing with an abusive husband.

Why is it homosexuals are so quick to condemn the church for not punishing homosexual priests, yet homosexuals are flooding into catholic seminaries?

Perhaps the one BS doesn't recognize the difference between being gay and being a pedophile. Too mch time in Uncle Al's basement, perhaps...

"You'd be surprised how many regular people actually try to follow Christ's rules especially: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

You guys are really mixed up but now I can see how this rabid attitude could cloud your mind and make your mouth foam up."

I hear that claim all the time, but please explain your position, are you a bible literalist....eye for eye..etc.... or a pick and chooser?

P.S. I am pretty sure Einstein would be pissed at you for comparing him to me, I couldn't hold his e, let alone his mc2.......

LM

I hear that claim all the time, but please explain your position, are you a bible literalist....eye for eye..etc.... or a pick and chooser?

P.S. I am pretty sure Einstein would be pissed at you for comparing him to me, I couldn't hold his e, let alone his mc2.......

LM

#65 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel at 2009-02-02 04:32 PM

I don't have the stomach to pluck out someone's eye or tooth. Also Jesus said He came to let us off the hook for most of the old Laws. So that's a relief because it's a real bitch trying to find an unblemished animal for sacrifice these days.

Christ did give us the Golden Rule, as well as The Beatitudes, The Parable of The Good Samaritan, and The Lord's Prayer among other things. Pretty simple stuff to try and live by, but it has helped me immensely. He did also tell us to keep the 10 Commandments but this is where members of the Church of St. George (Carlin) start to bristle. And wouldn't it be hilarious if George is actually up there in heaven, looking around and trying to remember how to say "What the f*ck?" ;0)

My own Pastor would not be pleased with my pick-and-choose approach but my stance is if you have to pick something, go with the most recent incarnation of God we have had - that's Christ.

And really - try and separate the good of Christ from the things humans have done while hiding under His name?

Isn't it odd that people like to promote the big lie that Christianity has killed more people, when in fact if you read history communism and fascism have killed more people than the Muslims and the Christian religion combined.
You people go ahead and believe that you are creating a new age utopia. That's what Stalin and Mao told the masses.

"Isn't it odd that people like to promote the big lie that Christianity has killed more people, when in fact if you read history communism and fascism have killed more people than the Muslims and the Christian religion combined."

More spam from denmark, zero proof just lies...

LM

"And really - try and separate the good of Christ from the things humans have done while hiding under His name?"

I respect your answer/honesty. Just curious if you have ever wondered why more acts of atrocities and crimes are committed by those purpotting(sp?) to be religous than those who are not. See incarceration rates for prime example....then correlate to US population for a good understanding. I have posted the info on here many times, if you google religoustolerance.org you will find some great info....

LM

LM - I haven't seen that statistic but maybe it has something to do with the statistics we see every once in a while saying the majority of Americans believe in God, or are associated with a church.

Being a Christian doesn't guarantee someone isn't going to commit a crime - Christians remain human beings. And the fact is there is s still a Christian majority in this country, cutting across political, racial, ethnic, gender, economic and other lines. For people to try and paint it a Left/Right thing is sloppy and partisan at best and downright malicious and scary at its worst.

I don't know if that answers your question but I have to sign off now.

Many of us Christians just want to be left alone and live our lives just like anybody else.

Unfortunately were often accused of not being "true" Christians by the same types that teach this kind of crap.

Many of us Christians just want to be left alone and live our lives just like anybody else.

Unfortunately were often accused of not being "true" Christians by the same types that teach this kind of crap.

#71 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-02-02 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag: HERE IS WISDOM

I will admit to being more of a fundie not more than a few years ago.

That is no way to live.

church kept consoling her against leaving, he kept beating her!
while he was sleeping, she cut his Pee Pee off, she felt so good!

It cracks me up when the morons attack me and show how ignorant they really are. It's funny but it's also pretty sad.

the Soviet Union appears the greatest megamurderer of all, apparently killing near 61,000,000 people. Stalin himself is responsible for almost 43,000,000 of these. Most of the deaths, perhaps around 39,000,000 are due to lethal forced labor in gulag and transit thereto. Communist China up to 1987, but mainly from 1949 through the cultural revolution, which alone may have seen over 1,000,000 murdered, is the second worst megamurderer. Then there are the lesser megamurderers, such as North Korea and Tito's Yugoslavia.

Obviously the population that is available to kill will make a big difference in the total democide, and thus the annual percentage rate of democide is revealing. By far, the most deadly of all communist countries and, indeed, in this century by far, has been Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge. Pol Pot and his crew likely killed some 2,000,000 Cambodians from April 1975 through December 1978 out of a population of around 7,000,000. This is an annual rate of over 8 percent of the population murdered, or odds of an average Cambodian surviving Pol Pot's rule of slightly over just over 2 to 1.

Computers! I have no idea how the header ended up in the middle of the article.

"It cracks me up when the morons attack me and show how ignorant they really are. It's funny but it's also pretty sad."

Yeah, ok, whacko.

Is that all you got?
Empty name calling.
You cut and pasted my statement impeaching yourself , and proving my point.
Do it some more.... It makes me laugh.
ROFL!

'I heard voices in my head!"

'Was it God telling you to go out and kill all those people?'

'Yes, Yes it must have been!'

'So God told you to do that stuff?'

'Yes, that right it was God!'

And so another reporter gets the job done and someone else says it's all GODs fault not mine! So may peope killed or maimed in the name of God? Maybe not!

If you don't blame God or a like person, then you'll have to blame yourself and, we all know, that will never happen!

Look at Germany in the '30s and '40s, early on no one hated the Jews. Then they listened to all the problems being laid at their feet. What a change!

People are able to do the most heinous things to each other. After the war they, for a while, refused to believe it had ever happened. I couldn't do anything like that!

But, what the hell, in two or three more generations we'll no longer be in a position to do much of anything, constructive or otherwise, in this world! Then we'll be the picked not the pickers.

From what I'm reading here it may be a welcome change, us being subserviant to the world!

Role reversal, that's a thought, huh?

Many of us Christians just want to be left alone and live our lives just like anybody else.

Unfortunately were often accused of not being "true" Christians by the same types that teach this kind of crap.

#71 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-02-02 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag: FTW!!!

TBH I believe that's what most people want.
You hit the nail on the head there, it's not so much the rank & file x-tians are evil, they're just trying to be good people, I see that every day. It's the leadership that gets all hung up on their 'we have a duty to bring the world to jesus' trip and thus ruins the image of the belief system as a whole.
I'm a recovered x-tian who left the fundies in the baptist church to their own devices as soon as I hit 18 & moved out of my parents home. My folks [and indeed, the majority of my family] are good people, x-tians & baptist...in that order. They accept my decision & don't keep trying to get me 'back into the fold' as they say, and I don't try to subvert their beliefs [well, I do point my little brothers at some of the books I wasn't allowed to read while I lived at home, but that's another story...].
My family accepts that even though I do not believe as they do, I'm not evil or wrong - just different from them.
If x-tian leadership could grasp this simple point, it would make their beliefs a bit easier to swallow. Thanks for that post, L_or_D.

I prefer Rev. Malcolm Reynolds' position on this issue:

"Don't you ever stand for that sort of thing. Someone tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back. Wife or no, you're no one's property to be tossed aside. You got the right same as anyone to live and to try to kill people."

Well, Mal wasn't a reverend but it is a good teaching anyway.

Some good reading on the subject of Islam and the submission of women.

It's a MIRACLE (pun intended) women are even religious at all considering how they are treated. -- #6 | Posted by Sluggo

LOL. An ex had interesting insights into my lack of faith, based on his experiences as an AA sponsor. A lot of his... hmmm... sponsees?... struggled with the steps that involved "God," because they didn't believe in God. Usually he found that they believed in the existence of some higher power, but "God" was too strongly associated with a specific character from the religion they were taught as children.

I think I'd have faith in "God" if the word had been associated with a kinder, more feminine, and less patriarchal character than the one from my Catholic upbringing.

Secret FEMA Plan To Use Pastors as Pacifiers in Preparation For Martial Law
Nationwide initiative trains volunteers to teach congregations to "obey the government" during seizure of guns, property, forced inoculations and forced relocation.
A Pastor has come forward to blow the whistle on a nationwide FEMA program which is training Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for a declaration of martial law, property and firearm seizures, and forced relocation.

In March of this year the Pastor, who we shall refer to as Pastor Revere, was invited to attend a meeting of his local FEMA chapter which circulated around preparedness for a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.

Why is it homosexuals are so quick to condemn the church for not punishing homosexual priests, yet homosexuals are flooding into catholic seminaries?

Perhaps the one BS doesn't recognize the difference between being gay and being a pedophile. Too mch time in Uncle Al's basement, perhaps...

#64 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-02-02 04:30 PM

Or, some of them know, but just like to maliciously spread that myth.

re: #81
Winner!
[Ahh the wit & wisdom of Firefly...best show FAUX ever canceled. Douchebags.]

Fucking Evil Maniac Administrators
FEMA

#17 | Posted by k_g_beekeeper

An important difference between you and the abusive people I've known is that the latter believe their victims deserve the abuse.

I wonder why it is that Catholic seminaries are filled with homosexuals wanting to become priests? -- #25 | Posted by TheOneBS

Seems to me it's easier to think about it this way: why are so few heterosexuals attracted to the priesthood?

I figure celibacy is a pretty tall order, and if you haven't been taught that your sexuality is depraved, why go there?

Why is it homosexuals are so attracted to the church? And why too are many of the same also pedophiles? -- #25 | Posted by TheOneBS

Wow...

K G Beekeeper

...It shaped my entire wordview. I joined the Marines....

Read your #17. God bless you and your Mom.

btw -- I proudly added your name and USMC service on to our "DR Military Veterans" list.

Oh my god. This is ridiculous.

QUESTION: Why are so many gays in the Catholic Church?

ANSWER: Because their mothers recognize their children are 'different' early on. The 'beard' is the Catholic Church. Their 'different' children steered to seminary by their families where they are 'married' to god; both gays and lesbians.

CLAIM: So many homosexuals are in the church and so many of these same people are pedophiles...

TRUTH:

There is NO SCIENTIFIC FACT to the claim that gays are more likely to be Pedophiles. What you should be asking yourselves is why YOU don't know, or choose to ignore and perpetuate lies.

Christianity is a bankrupt philosophy that hasn't withstood the light of civilization in the 20th century very well.

What we are witnessing is the dogmatic implosion and death throes of another 'miracle' religion and, quite frankly, it couldn't come fast enough!

Dumpling,

"Christianity is a bankrupt philosophy"

Lumping all Christians into one pot and saying we're all alike only shows how little you understand Christianity.

We range from ultra conservative to extremely liberal.

I will agree that a certain brand of fundamentalism is on its way out.

Personally, I suspect Christianity is due another major shift, much like what happened during the Reformation.

But, that doesn't mean the core of our faith isn't real.

As an American, you are entitled to your opinions, and I am entitled to mine.

However, "bankrupt"?

Not even close.

JeffnD,

Your source is an unpublished essay by a college student....are you fucking kidding me!!!

Still waiting on the proof I have asked for many times about those like me who believe in volution and just aren't able to grasp al of the evidence for a god that you believe in.

I have an ever growing fossil record, DNA sequencing and many more crazy sciency kinda things, and you have......waiting!!!!

LM

"I haven't seen that statistic but maybe it has something to do with the statistics we see every once in a while saying the majority of Americans believe in God, or are associated with a church. "

No sir, I wil give quick summary and hopefully it will actually intrigue you enough to search out and see if I am correct or not.

Roughly 77% of US pop believes in some type of "god"......

Roughly 20-23% have no "godly" affiliation...

Prison is made up of over 90% believers.....

Non belivers make up less than 2%!!!
LM

LM,
I must have missed your question. There's to many people for me to keep up with.
Plus I don't take seriously those that resort to name calling. So if someone starts their comment with words like moron, crackpot, or tin foil hat. I usually don't read the rest of the retort.

BTW, A lot of times I will just hurriedly find something to back up my point.
That doesn't mean that I can't find other articles to back up my point. If I have the time.

Why is it homosexuals are so attracted to the church? And why too are many of the same also pedophiles? -- #25 | Posted by TheOneBS

There isn't a connection between homosexuality and pedophilia. See, e.g., psychology.ucdavis.edu

#89 | Posted by Phoenix

Question: If a gay priest acts in ways that are overly frienldy toward a young altar boy, at what point does his homosexuality become pedophilia? If the gay priest's friendliness turns to actual physical contact with the young altar boy, does the homosexual priest suddenly transform into a pedophile?

Ahhh yesssss, the art of clever manipulation of the language. Create sexual distinctions and say they are altogether different. In this way we can both bless one type of preferred behavior (ie. homoerotic sex), and castigate or rebuke another behavior we don't happen to like (ie. pedoerotic sex). Yes, and we can even write articles in psychology journals saying this is so, thereby giving pseudo-scientific credibility to our predetermined notions. Indeed, with such clever mental manipulations we can bless our vices and turn them into virtues! How convenient!

Your source is an unpublished essay by a college student....are you fucking kidding me!!!

I have one of those- if anyone is interested in the molecular biology of zombie viruses, let me know.

That Rick Warren character deserves a good swift kick in the ass?!!! as Mr Barry Goldwater suggested of that Falwell character.

That Rick Warren character deserves a good swift kick in the ass?!!! as Mr Barry Goldwater suggested of that Falwell character.

The kick should be delivered with sufficient force to eject warren and his evangelical co-conspirators from the country. Their defunct ideology does not benefit society in any way.

btw -- I proudly added your name and USMC service on to our "DR Military Veterans" list.

#91 | Posted by califchris at 2009-02-02 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Hey where is this list?

I have been reading the drudgeretort for over a year but only decided to start posting for over a year.

I have to admit I have never made it past the articles on the front page. If there is more content, the website is decidedly un-user friendly.

Btw again,
God is in your heart. If you need to try and find him in science you're looking in the wrong place.
But here is an interesting scientific fact.

Right at the time of death the body loses weight. Could this be the soul leaving?
I'm not saying it is or isn't. I just find this interesting.
I could probably find more links to this story if i had the time.
I just found out this little fact yesterday, So I don't know any more than what I have already stated.

American Medicine
April, 1907
Hypothesis Concerning Soul Substance Together
with Experimental Evidence of The Existence of Such Substance
by Duncan MacDougall, M.D.
of Haverhill, Mass.
Could it be the soul leaving the body?
At the end of three hours and forty minutes he expired and suddenly coincident with death the beam end dropped with an audible stroke hitting against the lower limiting bar and remaining there with no rebound. The loss was ascertained to be three-fourths of an ounce.

TGNH,
Try the back page sometime. The stories are usually more interesting than the front page.
And no I don't just mean my stories.

All I can say is this idiot needs a good beat down! What woman in there right frame of mind would stay with someone who is physically, mentally or emotionally abusive.

Mental and emotional abuse swiftly turn into physical abuse.
If she decides to stay with the partner that participates in such deplorable behavior, it shows that she is of low self esteem, no self respect and has no concept that as a individual you should never allow any man or woman to lay a hand on your persons.

Adultery, and abandonment are considered mental and emotional abuse and that is just as heinous a crime as that of a physical batterer.

As for beating on a regular basis. All I can say is that if any man puts his hands on me the first time I guarantee he will never have the opportunity to indulge himself in that sordid behavior ever again!
.45Caliber

How the Recent Discoveries Support a Designed Universe

That was the best thing you've ever linked me to, JnD. I don't think that there is "proof" that the universe was designed, but when you deal with cosmology, you're always going to be talking about origins at some point, and when you get right down to it, there's little to go on when trying to scientifically describe the origin of all existence.

For the sake of facilitating discussion, I'll share an alternative viewpoint.

The apparent "tuning" of various fundamental natural constants and parameters that describe the universe is quite an interesting phenomenon. It does not necessitate a designer. Imagine a multiverse that contains universes with all possible values of these parameters. Only a very few could support life, so we should not be surprised to find ourselves in a universe with the specific values that we observe. This is the anthropic principle.

When I talk about a multiverse, this is a collection of many universes. Each universe may have different physics, different numbers and scales of dimensions, etc.

I'm not saying that either view is correct, or that I agree with them, but the multiverse model is a valid, creator-less explanation of what we observe. I dislike it about as much as I dislike the notion that we see what we observe "because God made it that way". With current technology, it is impossible to test whether the multiverse theory is correct. Currently, it is just another philosophical alternative to the argument for a creator, and it doesn't really answer the question, "where did the multiverse come from?" Both are teleological arguments, and I don't find those fulfilling.

Fun things to think about, and I would imagine that the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, as it usually does when huge arguments erupt within the scientific community (the validity of the anthropic principle is still debated).

TGNH,
Try the back page sometime. The stories are usually more interesting than the front page.
And no I don't just mean my stories.

#104 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2009-02-02 08:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Hey thanks! very cool. never even looked at it.

SO how exactly do you get to add stories there?

SO how exactly do you get to add stories there?

Click on "Write a blog entry"

"Evangelical Christianity, as everyone knows, is founded upon hate, as the Christianity of Christ was founded upon love"

- Mencken

KGBeekeeper- Thanks for the post, dude.

Have you considered therapy for your anger issues? Just because your dad was a royal asshole, doesn't mean you should live and die alone.

I swear, 99% of the worlds problems can be attributed to bad fathers.

I swear, 99% of the worlds problems can be attributed to bad fathers.

Yep, only 1% is the mothers problem.

If the gay priest's friendliness turns to actual physical contact with the young altar boy, does the homosexual priest suddenly transform into a pedophile?
-- #98 | Posted by TheOneBS

You've missed the most important point. Same-sex pedophilia is not more prevalent than hetero-sex pedophilia. Apparently, though, you think about same-sex pedophilia a lot more!

"I haven't seen that statistic but maybe it has something to do with the statistics we see every once in a while saying the majority of Americans believe in God, or are associated with a church. "

No sir, I wil give quick summary and hopefully it will actually intrigue you enough to search out and see if I am correct or not.

Roughly 77% of US pop believes in some type of "god"......

Roughly 20-23% have no "godly" affiliation...

Prison is made up of over 90% believers.....

Non belivers make up less than 2%!!!
LM

#95 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel at 2009-02-02 07:42 PM

LM - I recall some different numbers, but the most recent were I think in USA Today. I will try to find the source. Can you provide yours?

Here's a theory: if, as we sometimes hear, the prison popluation is disproportionately black, this might explain somewhat. My impression is that a large majority of blacks go to church (at least early on) and have a belief in God and Jesus. Just watch any award show where black people accept the award and thank God and Jesus and Mom, etc. How many white people have you ever seen do that onstage? No statistics on this, sorry!

Add to this the phenom of "prison-cell conversion" where people turn back to their religious roots for comfort and strength in a very tough place. Also, there are of course the cynics of every race and ethnicity who may be using a "conversion" to score points toward good behavior. I don't know.

"I wonder if it has something to do with their own self-loathing which they frequently project on others?"

#46 | Posted by TheoNebs at 2009-02-02 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag: Introspective

"Add to this the phenom of "prison-cell conversion" where people turn back to their religious roots for comfort and strength in a very tough place. Also, there are of course the cynics of every race and ethnicity who may be using a "conversion" to score points toward good behavior."

Ah, yes: The Ted Bundy and Karla Fay Tucker are enjoying paradise forever syndrome.

According to the rules, if, before you die, you confess your sins before God, ask for his forgiveness, and accept Jesus Christ as your savior, you spend eternity in heaven (paradise).

Few know beforehand exactly when they're going to die, but death-row inmates know exactly when they're going to die (not suicide) and can, therefore, game the system to ensure that they're forever in the good graces of the Lord for all eternity.

Now, since we cannot know if any of their victims died in such good graces, it is entirely possible that one or more of them are, to this very day, suffering damnation in the bowels of hell for all eternity.

While their tormentors and murderers are living in heaven for all eternity.

Strange and unusual.

But those are the rules.

Hans

there are of course the cynics of every race and ethnicity

"I swear, 99% of the worlds problems can be attributed to bad fathers."

Baloney. It's only 98%. Only kidding, mothers can screw up kids just as well as fathers can. Some kids are screwed up with two wonderful parents. They have done studies in the past few years that show biology is the one most important factor and that parents' influence is far less than previously believed.

SLAP MY BITCH UP!

I swear, 99% of the worlds problems can be attributed to bad fathers

----

Well, 95% of those are bad fathers because their mothers screwed them up as a kid.

So there!

this guy is a leftwing tool. apostate.

"I wonder why it is that Catholic seminaries are filled with homosexuals wanting to become priests?"

I've never heard this before. Does someone have stats that support this?

"How the Recent Discoveries Support a Designed Universe ..."

Something which I found interesting is that Hoyle pushed the steady-state theory partly because the Big Bang had been proposed by a Catholic priest. Joao Magueijo wrote that Cambridge physicists were looking for alternatives to the hot Big Bang with inflation because the theory was "too American." Also, I've seen on a few sites that atheists oppose the BBT because, in their view, it promotes the concept of a "creator".

I can't believe grown-ups not merely inventing a deity, but one who blesses spousal abuse. That there cosmology, dude: Ain't that what they teach in beauty colleges? herm

And we should all thank God that the evanjihadists and Republicans haven't managed to get a theocracy yet, or it wouldn't be.

#14 | Posted by northguy3

No, thanks the guys who wrote the Constitution of the United States of America.

If you look at the domestic abuse and child abuse statistics, repressive religions are high on both lists. So, with that kind of mentality, it's not surprising that they would say that domestic abuse wasn't grounds for divorce.

beat on the brat

beat on the brat

beat on the brat with a baseball bat oh yeah oh yeah

oh oh

-Ramones

"this guy is a leftwing tool. apostate."

#122 | Posted by nanc

What the fuck does that even mean?

I can't believe grown-ups not merely inventing a deity, but one who blesses spousal abuse. That there cosmology, dude: Ain't that what they teach in beauty colleges? herm

#125 | Posted by herm at 2009-02-03 01:00 PM | Reply | Flag

Now you're making stuff up Herm. Take a little break - get some fresh air.

this guy is a leftwing tool. apostate."

#122 | Posted by nanc

What the fuck does that even mean?

#129 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-02-03 03:33 PM | Reply

That's a tool your doc uses for a routine check on your apostate. It is a little uncomfortable but no worries.

"That's a tool your doc uses for a routine check on your apostate."

Bummer, I knew I should have stood in line when those apostates were being distributed.

That's a tool your doc uses for a routine check on your apostate. It is a little uncomfortable but no worries.

#131 | Posted by MrFair

Don't beat your slaves on Sunday, but beating the wife is OK?

Strange deity you have their Mr Warren.

pope,dalai lama,ayatollah,
they don't know,neither do you,we'll all get a chance to find out for ourselves.In the mean time I think we all know how we should act.

Beekeeper its not your fault,what could you do?

my biggest problem is hearing that god gave this planet to humans,rape at will.

But to qualify for that separation, your spouse must be in the "habit of beating you regularly," and not be simply someone who "grabbed you once."

Wow, not only a homophobic church but also a misogynistic one as well?

Who'da thunkit?

Personally, Spud blames Paul aka Saul of Taursus.

That shit-stain remade Christianity into a misogynistic cult that bespoke his own twisted philosophy that essentially stated that "the whole function of Jesus centred on his death which released the faithful from the burden of their sins, their misery and the power of Satan. In fact not a single word Paul wrote in the Epistles gives the actual teaching of Jesus, nor does he mention even one of his parables"*

* by Holger Kersten.

my biggest problem is hearing that god gave this planet to humans, rape at will.

~BruceAZ

Yeah, wonder where that came from...

"God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours"

~Ann Coulter.

/Ha! Spud was starting to feel a little guilty about posting that "AC = Skinny Biatch" link to TMZ but not no more.

More seriously Spud believes it comes down to an essential misinterpretation of the part iin Genesis where it sez God gave mankind "Dominion" over the animals and plants of the earth.

Does that mean "Rape at will" or does it imply sentient "stewardship"?

TrANNy Coulter takes the former interpretation and Spud takes the latter.

Alright, TDS is on and Spud is fergit to make popcorn again.

Be Well.

/Making like a baby now, gonna "head out" of blogworld, exiting the Deleriously Rawknrollin' Drudge Retort likke a tater o doom is wont to do
stage left.

TGNH

Hey where is this list?

I have been reading the drudgeretort for over a year but only decided to start posting for over a year...

Below is the list in no particular order. As more posters ask to be included (or I find out they were in the military by something they may have mentioned in one of their posts), we just add on their name. Just now added KGBeekeeper (USMC). This list is comprised of all our DR posters who are either in the military now or are military veterans.

Anyone who posts on DR and who isn't on the list can be added on. I've sort of been keeping the list but I hope that some others on here also copy it and keep it in case some day I'm not here on DR anymore we we'll always have a copy to put up and keep updated.

There's no special thread for the list. We bring it out and post it on threads honoring Veteran's Day, 4th of July, Memorial Day -- whenever we feel it fits the occasion.

LIST OF DR MILITARY VETERANS

RexZeitgeist - US Army
Goatman - USN
Prolix247 - USN
Reagan58 - US Army (Special Forces)
OzarkAggie - USN
BuffaloBob - U.S. Air Force
Cowboy - USCG
Boaz - US Army
Beachbuzz - US Army
Rastaninja - US Army Reserves
Tadowe - US Army
Sarge - US Air Force
Judas - USMC
101Chairborne - US Army
Commonsense - USN
Briwo - US Army
Walt - US Army
Tron - US Army
USN - USN
Babuenthal - USMC
GrumpyToo - USMC
RealPlus5 - USN
Frosty - US Air Force
TedBaxter -- USN
KatieBerry - US Army, National Guard
FrankF55- U.S. Army
Dutch46 -- USCG
Trooper -US Army
Sniper - US Army
lwalk17 - US Air Force
RightisRight - US Army
RightOCenter - US Air Force
Mictian101 - USMC
John47 - US Air Force
rabiabidabi - USN
TFDNihilist--USMC
Herm - USN
OldWhiskeySour - US Air Force
KGBeekeeper - USMC
Oohrah's son Bob - USMC
LilBrit - WRNS (Womens Royal Naval Service)
Mattm - Minnesota Army National Guard (22 yrs. w/1 yr. active duty in Kosovo)
JustSomeGuy - USN TownnCountry - USN, USNR
HillBillyDeluxe - U.S. Army
TJTull - U.S. Air Force
Timbci - U.S. Army Army
JeffnDenmark - USN

45Caliber

106 | Posted by 45Caliber at 2009-02-02 08:46 PM

Hey, where have you been, girl? Haven't seen you around in awhile.

pope, dalai lama, ayatollah, they don't know, neither do you, we'll all get a chance to find out for ourselves

Yep.

These are the same people who tell us gay people should not be allowed to marry because it would take away the sanctity of wife beating.
#8 | Posted by danni at 2009-02-02 12:08 PM

Zouch! Cuts to the quick - NW flag.

#140 | Posted by redlightrobot

Are you related to 'Giant-robot'?

Johnny Sokko wants to know.

#140 | Posted by redlightrobot

Are you related to 'Giant-robot'?
Johnny Sokko wants to know.
#141 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-02-04 08:00 AM

"My, what soft and fleshy brain you have", droned Robot coolly.

"All the better to stay out in the rain with", quipped the non-rusting organism.

that is unadulterated bullsheyt!

I'm far less concerned about somebody's homosexual behavior and gay marriage than I am about Christian men acting like CHRISTIAN MEN.

I blame Christians for so many of the countries problems.

WE are the ones whose lives have been (supposedly) changed by the Man who died and rose from the dead, who conquered death, who heals today.

If we justify wife-beating, porn-watching, the same divorce rate and abortion rates as non-Christians, WE ARE jokes.

Battered wives, Jesus came to set the captives free.
Only mentally disturbed individuals will side with your abusers.

Chrissie, usually on the correct side of things even if manifesting a blind spot on Hispanics, offers us a list of sometime DR contributors who have served in their country's uniforms.

Why?

She should note that for some this services is their only accomplishment in an otherwise useless life, while others (well, me) may be embarrassed by not having had the balls to say no. I cannot help but wonder if she has seen evidence that the chairborne one ever jumped from a plane.

-chairborne one ever jumped from a plane

Some say he was pushed but it isn't true. All they had to do was roll a can Pabst Blue Ribbon out the door.....

I used Nell Carter's silk panties as a chute.

lmao, Chair