"no, we love you; we want some of your oil! please bend over so we may kiss your sandy arses! i'll be the different president - not like the others!"

barry-o

President Obama on Tuesday chose the Arabic satellite TV network Al-Arabiya for his first formal television interview as president

AMERICA IS TIRED OF APPEASING THE WHINNY ASS MUSLIMS.

thereligionofpeace.com

hahaha

nanc and others like her

get used to something called diplomacy

your dreams of armegeddon and the final battle are hopefully wiped away

christians and muslims if they got to being friends instead of mortal enemies as nanc wants

could immediately bring full peace to the world.

half the world population united as one.

"AMERICA IS TIRED OF APPEASING THE WHINNY ASS MUSLIMS. "

apparently you are wrong
AND an idiot

I'll be B.O. would walk a mile for a Camel...

be=bet.

This is just what is needed.

Most Arabs were moderates who liked America before we invaded Iraq. The night of 9/11 tens of thousands of young Iranians held candlelight vigils in a show of sympathy and support. Most Arabs had no beef with the U.S. prior to our invasion of Iraq.

"Soft Power" is powerful in preventing Muslim radicalization, guns only increase it. Our own intelligence services have said repeatedly the unilateral policies of the last 8 years have increased the threat of terrorism.

Mitchell, Holbrooke, and President Obama taking a new approach in the Middle East is leadership pointing us in the right direction - the wrong direction is the way we were going.

Blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be called the CHILDREN OF GOD!
You Go OBAMA!!!!

GOP RIP 2008

"Most Arabs were moderates who liked America before we invaded Iraq."

LOL...!

America could go a long way towards achieving peace in the Middle East and with Islam in general if Obama would heed the words of Osama and remove the US military presence, indeed American presence in general, from Islam's holy places, specifically Mecca.

no, we love you; we want some of your oil! please bend over so we may kiss your sandy arses! i'll be the different president - not like the others!"
#1 | Posted by nanc at 2009-01-27 09:25 AM

YEAH!

Said the Person who Chortled in Delight as Bush Walked Hand in Hand thru the Blue Bonnets Kissing the Cheek of the Fathers and Financiers of 9-11!

What many don't understand is that the United States has always been the most respected Western nation because we were not a part of colonialism. We can be seen as an honest broker again.

Middle East countries themselves do not want bombs going off, terrorists wreaking havoc inside their borders.

A great opportunity in the days following 9/11 to have partners in the ME who offered to help stamp out radicalism in concert with us was squandered with the unilateral approach of the last 8 years.

I'm optimistic that this new effort, with the proven peacebrokers Mitchell and Holbrooke making a concerted and long effort something new and better will come of this. They're both men who were seen by both sides of their success in prior conflict resolutions as honest brokers. Hillary Clinton is well thought of in the region. President Obama as one who may not be Muslim but is seen as understanding them better through personal life experience than any President in history.

Let's keep our fingers crossed and our prayers for peace up.

"Most Arabs were moderates who liked America before we invaded Iraq."

LOL...!

#9 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Laugh all you want.

Public opinion polls taken before and after Iraq prove me right.

Perhaps you missed the plethora of interviews with Arabs in the early weeks of our invasion of Iraq, or the shows of support immediately following 9/11. The sudden movement of moderate Arabs into angry Arabs can be traced directly to our invasion of Iraq.

"This is just what is needed."

I agree with you AmericanUnity that more talk is needed, I just don't know if I would have given my first formal interview to an Arab station. That's gonna annoy a good amount of people here, and the other side to the Arab Israeli conflict might not be too happy either.

There's nothing wrong with CNN :)

Interesting that the right is already criticizing his attempts to create a better climate for America in the ME. One has to wonder if those responsible for Iraq were not purposely trying to create permanent enemies for perpetual war. It would throw a real wrench in their agenda if President Obama succeeded in his attempts to communicate with Muslims. Before the story of our relationship with the Muslim world is complete we will have to face the fact that the neocon scum never wanted peace, never wanted real democracy in the ME. They have an agenda which is not dicted by what is good for America, they are unAmerican traitors and should be viewed as such.

Hey americanunity did you listen to Obama's speech? He said he LIVED in a muslim country. So your claim that the muslim school he went to in Indonesia was a christian school in hawaii was a lie and Obama proved you wrong...please make note of it and you won't look like a fool in the future.

"America could go a long way towards achieving peace in the Middle East and with Islam in general if Obama would heed the words of Osama and remove the US military presence, indeed American presence in general, from Islam's holy places, specifically Mecca."

Absolutely...radical Muslims will fall in love with the U.S., Iran will stop trying to establish Islam all over the world, Hezbollah, Hamas, Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Islamic Jihad and all the others will stop trying to push Israel into the sea, The Taliban will stop subjagating women and violating human rights...and all that shit! PEACE in the Middle East and all over the world if we'll just remove our military presence..Especially from MECCA where our troops are occupying the Caaba in Saudi Arabia.
(What an idiot...and I bet they let you vote, didn't they?)

JEST

Here's a Pew Research paper on Arab public opinion taken last year. I've posted a paragraph from page 16 that states:

Conclusions: How To Do a Better Job with Arab Public Opinion
Overall, the challenge is clear: The U.S. image has declined considerably in several key
Arab countries over the past few years. In the long run, especially if this trend continues
and impinges more on Arab government policies, this could constrain our policy options
in the region. At the same time, there may be some new opportunities on several major
policy issues: growing popular opposition to most forms of terrorism against civilians,
increasing concern about Iran, and support for a peaceful, two-state solution to the
Palestinian-Israeli conundrum. Let me close with just three modest, practical suggestions
for how we might be able to do a better job of dealing with this challenge and these
opportunities.

Losing Hearts and Minds:
World Public Opinion and post-9/11 US Security Policy

"The sympathy and support for the United States that surged worldwide in the aftermath of the 2001 attacks 2 began to ebb as soon as US bombs began falling on Afghanistan.3 Supportive sentiments continued to recede through 2004, driven increasingly by the Iraq war and eventually settling at levels unseen since the early 1980s."

Hey americanunity did you listen to Obama's speech? He said he LIVED in a muslim country. So your claim that the muslim school he went to in Indonesia was a christian school in hawaii was a lie and Obama proved you wrong...please make note of it and you won't look like a fool in the future.

#16 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

You guys just can't get over reverting to the same tired old talking points, can you?

Yes, Indonesia is a predominantly Muslim nation, although the government is very secular. Obama attended a PUBLIC school for part of his time in Indonesia, and a Catholic school for part of the time. It is true that even in public schools there they are required to take a religion class, and Obama took a class on Islam because his step-father was Muslim.

o your claim that the muslim school he went to in Indonesia was a christian school in hawaii was a lie and Obama proved you wrong...please make note of it and you won't look like a fool in the future.

#16 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

RIC, RIC, RIC

Obama went to a PUBLIC school in Indonesia.

Come on man. You're dead wrong:

Do Arab newspapers ever produce self-flagellating research papers on what their readers might do to improve Americans' perception of them?

It seems one group is successful, pluralistic, peaceful, and relatively tolerant.

The other has a difficult evolving beyond 6th century barbarism.

Pardon me if I don't bend over backwards to "understand" these fucking pigs.

The ball's in their court.

"The sympathy and support for the United States that surged worldwide in the aftermath of the 2001 attacks 2 began to ebb as soon as US bombs began falling on Afghanistan"

Well that right there tells me the "sympathy and support" was BS to beging with AmericanUnity. How can anyone disagree with our decision to retaliate for the 9/11 attacks?

If this is true and they started to hate us for the Afghan operation then to hell with them.

Anyone with a brain and a computer can do some research on Middle East opinion of America and find exactly what I did:

Most Arabs were moderates. The Iraq War decimated Arab public opinion towards the U.S. among Arab moderates. Period.

Osma Obama is just getting in touch with his roots

How can anyone disagree with our decision to retaliate for the 9/11 attacks?

Most saw Afghanistan as a JUST war.

"Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and stepfather and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school"

From CNN

I am not dead wrong just more informed than you and not in denial.

The school you foolishly refer to is NOT the school he attended in Indonesia.

But keep up the lie if it makes you feel better.

If anyone can argue with a straight face that we should continue exactly what we've been doing the last 8 years in the Middle East and expect a different result, I say they're unwilling to face reality.

"Conservative" means doing the same old thing and being reluctant to change based on new information.

Even Obama contradicts you.

He went to a Catholic school and an Indonesian PUBLIC SCHOOL.

Prove me wrong. Come on. Mainstream media content only.

Providing a link to a different school in different country does not erase the FACT that Obama admits he WENT TO A MUSLIM SCHOOL.

Conservative means American Patriot.
Progressive means deancing arounf a circle jerk with other men

This sounds like the right thing to do........

"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

CNN: "Obama lived in Indonesia as a child, from 1967 to 1971, with his mother and stepfather and has acknowledged attending a Muslim school:

Not mainstream enough for you?

Spin it any way you want YOU ARE WRONG.

OBAMA ACKNOWLEDGED ATTENDING A MUSLIM SCHOOL

Are you saying he never lived in Indonesia?

Obama: "I have Muslim members of my family. I have lived in Muslim Countries"

Nothing Extreme About Indonesian School Attended by Obama
ABC News Visits School in Jakarta, Indonesia, That Has Caused Furor Around Presidential Hopeful

By JAKE TAPPER
Jan. 25, 2007

An ABC News producer and crew visited the school in Jakarta, Indonesia, attended by Sen. Barack Obama in his youth and found it to be a normal government public school without even a hint of the extremist elements reported by various conservative news outlets in the last week.

I did not say it wasn't public... the speech you refer to Obama says "I lived in a muslim country"

Obama continues to demonstrate intelligence. WHo knows where this might eventually lead.

Muslim country...Public school = Muslim school.

"Perhaps you missed the plethora of interviews with Arabs in the early weeks of our invasion of Iraq, or the shows of support immediately following 9/11. The sudden movement of moderate Arabs into angry Arabs can be traced directly to our invasion of Iraq."

History did NOT begin on 9/11 and the U.S. problems with Arabs/Muslims did NOT begin in 2003. Perhaps YOU missed a few centuries? Not a lot has changed, after all. I know you hate Bush but he isn't the FIRST president to have problems with Arabs/Muslims.

"Adams and Jefferson asked Abdrahaman on what grounds his nation made war on other nations that had done their people no harm. They let him know that as representatives of the United States, they considered friends everyone who had done them no wrong or given them no provocation. The response they received was darkly foreboding. The conduct of the Barbary Coast pirates, the ambassador explained, was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

I didn't say the school was extreme I am saying your lie is extreme.

look
I dont think this was such a bad idea and its not like he needs to kiss the american medias ass. they already have thier toungues so far up his ass that he couldnt reach them anyway
and it was probably smart to do and really smart that it was NOT al jazeera because that would have sent the wrong message...

so its not that big a deal I dont think.....

SHIRTS, it's just too easy to prove those rumors wrong. Life is so much more enjoyable when you know the facts of the matter and don't rely on internet rumors for information.

Reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false.

CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.

He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.

"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.

"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the 'Situation Room.' "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."

Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."

"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."

The Associated Press reported similarly:
A spokesman for Indonesia's Ministry of Religious Affairs said claims that Obama studied at an Islamic school are groundless.

"SDN Menteng 1 is a public primary school that is open to people of all faiths," said the spokesman, Sutopo, who goes by only one name. "Moreover, he studied earlier at Fransiskus Assisi, which is clearly a Catholic school."

Obama later transferred to SDN Menteng 1 the elite, secular elementary school at the center of the controversy. The school is public but is very competitive and has exceptionally high standards. It is located in one of the most affluent parts of Jakarta and attracts mostly middle- to upper-class students, among them several of former dictator Suharto's grandchildren.

It's incredibly hard to take the right seriously at DR.

They are ill informed and unwilling to BECOME informed.

BL2 sits in a library right now, but knows no more this year than this time last year.

The examples are numerous.

It's a waste of time even debating unless both sides are armed with verifiable facts.

This is the Thread where the American Taliban shows their desire for Terror and their kinship with the Muslim extremists!

Muslim country...Public school = Muslim school.

#42 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

Really. How odd, then, that those same public schools also teach classes in Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc., depending upon the religion of the student and/or the student's parent's wishes.

The Associated Press:

A spokesman for Indonesia's Ministry of Religious Affairs said claims that Obama studied at an Islamic school are groundless.

"SDN Menteng 1 is a public primary school that is open to people of all faiths," said the spokesman, Sutopo, who goes by only one name. "Moreover, he studied earlier at Fransiskus Assisi, which is clearly a Catholic school."

Obama later transferred to SDN Menteng 1 the elite, secular elementary school at the center of the controversy. The school is public but is very competitive and has exceptionally high standards. It is located in one of the most affluent parts of Jakarta and attracts mostly middle- to upper-class students, among them several of former dictator Suharto's grandchildren.

I said he attended a Muslim school. You lied and sited a school in Hawaii. You counter by saying he didn't attend a extreme madrassa. I agree it wasn't extreme but IT WAS A MUSLIM SCHOOL. It is not an unverifiable fact.

btw I voted for Obama I never voted for Bush or McCain.

My last word on this subject for the time being is that this is a positive move and good for America.

Mitchell and Holbrooke, along with President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton, are making the first effort of this scope in the Middle East.

Mitchell and Holbrooke have proven track records.

Clinton is respected in the region.

President Obama just may be the person who finally engages the entire region in finding a workable solution to decades long problems.

God, I hope the right will arm themselves with facts. It's in all our interests that this work.

Oops - sorry AU - I was getting the same info and didn't see you'd already made Shirtsy look silly.

Obama said he attended a muslim school are you arguing with him?

SHIRTS

That's another internet rumor.

"It's a waste of time even debating unless both sides are armed with verifiable facts."

Right..."facts" as YOU see them...after all, you have a MASTERS DEGREE, don't you? We got it...we of the "great unwashed" just don't understand why you mingle with us here. We just keep refusing to buy the pearls you cast before us...DAMN!

Obama said he attended a muslim school are you arguing with him?

#53 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

Keep on a-diggin' that old, empty hole.

San, Where does he make me look silly? When he lied or when he contridicted Obama's own words?

SHIRTS

As the FACTS I laid out prove, the school in Indonesia is a secular public school that has a one hour religion class once a week. More reading = GOOD.

SHIRTS

TIME #3: That is an internet rumor. Obama never said he attended a "Muslim School". Sure, Muslims went there, but it was a secular, public school as EVERY LINK I'VE POSTED bears out.

So Obama lied and started an "internet rumor" when he said he attended a Muslin school. It's in his first book if you read it you might know.

this is a positive move and good for America.

What?

Running around apologizing for it?

Mush-headed moral-equivalence?

This guy is a piece of shit.

He's not my president.

And he doesn't speak for me.

There is documented proof of him attending registered as a Muslim. Spin it anyway you want.

this is a positive move and good for America.

What?

Running around apologizing for it?

JAKOFF MAO

WTF? You are a verified loony tunes.

What apology? WTF are you talking about?

He's not my president.

And he doesn't speak for me.

You're a traitor. Not an American.

SHIRTS
As the FACTS I laid out prove, the school in Indonesia is a secular public school that has a one hour religion class once a week. More reading = GOOD.
#58 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

I didn't say it was bad, I didn't say it was extreme. I said it was true. You said it wasn't.

So me and Obama agree and you don't

Don't worry, MAO

When the terrorists attack Bumfuck, Texas the U.S. Military will bail your ass out - commanded by the United States Commander in Chief.

Man, you are a real loony tunes.

Later (leaves shaking head)

Religion class and secular school don't mix...sorry.

jestgettinalong, you're kinda reading impaired, berift of historical knowledge, and quite rude. S'okay... You just gotta be you. No doubt they "let" you vote too.

Change your handle by the way: it doesn't really fit. How about: justbeingadick. Yeah, that works.

OBAMA ATTENDED A MUSLIM SCHOOL...prove me wrong.

case closed.

You're a traitor. Not an American

No. I'm an American.

You elected a traitor in the form of some naiive little street-agitating asshole that feels he must grovel and apologize for his nation to a culture of barbarians.

Later.

"President Obama just may be the person who finally engages the entire region in finding a workable solution to decades long problems."

Maybe...but highly unlikely. I'm NOT saying it would be his fault either. Many have tried and failed. Until radical Islam is defeated there'll be no peace REGARDLESS of who sits in the Oval Office. Those Arabs who HAVE made peace (like Sadat) have been killed and most of the others who might be inclined to make peace are afraid. radical Islamists won't change, they have to be destroyed.

OBAMA ATTENDED A MUSLIM SCHOOL...prove me wrong.

Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 10:53 AM

Prove yourself right! Easier to prove a positive than a negative. YOu say the school was a Muslim school, so prove it already.

Obama is a Muslime. He admitted it in his book and on NBC news even though Brian Williams tried to cover for him

He admitted it in his book and on NBC

Should be really easy to prove then. If it was admitted on NBC, then video of it is on the internet. If it was admitted in his book, then site page. Easy to prove if true...

Obama had ties in Indonesia, muslim ties, he is trying to use those ties to improve relations with the muslim word, it's called dipolmacy

good luck Obama!

"Obama is a Muslime. He admitted it in his book and on NBC news even though Brian Williams tried to cover for him"

I hear this a lot, but when I ask for actual sources they become quiet, why is that?

I hear this a lot, but when I ask for actual sources they become quiet, why is that?

Posted by VMA224 at 2009-01-27 10:59 AM

Repeat a lie often enough and you don't have to prove it. If he "admitted" to it in so many places, you would think that at least one person in the last 20 months could have shown proof by now.

Obama is a Muslime. He admitted it in his book and on NBC news even though Brian Williams tried to cover for him

#73 | Posted by timbci at 2009-01-27 10:54 AM | Reply | Flag

Good. Think of him bowing to Mecca 5 times a day and worshipping Allah. Think about it for 8 years.

I wish him the best of luck. I voted for him. I am an American. I want what is best for the country. I don't agree with all of his policies but I'm not in denial about his heritage. Read his first book he mentions many things about his Musilm upbringing, including his statement that "The Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound I've ever heard"

There is documented proof of him attending registered as a Muslim. Spin it anyway you want.

#62 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

Because in Indonesian public school you must declare your religion (it is even on their passports). Obama was registered as a Muslim because his step-father was, and his step-father was the Indonesian citizen.

Religion class and secular school don't mix...sorry.

#66 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

Surprisingly enough (for you, anyway), other countries do not necessarily follow the model of American public education. You see, other countries are actually allowed to have their own cultures and laws. George Bush notwithstanding.

OBAMA ATTENDED A MUSLIM SCHOOL...prove me wrong.

#68 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

Done on this thread, and many, many others. Try reading a link or watching a video. Or are you just emerging from under the bridge to be a jerk?

Eight years LOL. He most likelt will be impeached when America finds out he bows tro Mecca 5 times a day in the Oval Office

He admitted it in his book and on NBC news even though Brian Williams tried to cover for him
#73 | Posted by timbci

That was actually George Stfanopolous.

"jestgettinalong, you're kinda reading impaired, berift of historical knowledge,..."

I know...you're a history encyclopedia, right?...LOL

"...and quite rude."

Good, that means I'm getting across to you.

"Change your handle by the way: it doesn't really fit."

Why? I keep getting along by jesting with you numbskulls...it doesn't mean I get along with YOU, and it may come as a shock, but I really don't care. Your confusion with my handle probably comes from being "kinda reading impaired," I suppose.

BL2 sits in a library right now, but knows no more this year than this time last year.

The examples are numerous.

It's a waste of time even debating unless both sides are armed with verifiable facts.

#47 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2009

actually I know a lot more now than I did a year ago as I have started reading about two or three hours a day and with that reading I see the hypocrisy of the left clearer and clearer.

for instance I am reading the bio of albert einstein and he DIDNT FAIL math when he was little but he was next to last in his class at the small university in zorich and he couldnt get a job for years
and the hypocrisy...........the left links us with stupid and things like marrying our cousins and no front teeth playing the banjo on the porch.

and oh yeah I just got to the part where einstein divorced his wife and MARRIED HIS COUSIN

HIS FIRST COUSIN,,,,,,,,,,,

so there

NOW TRY AND TELL ME I HAVENT LEARN NUTTIN IN THE PAST YEAR>.....

Come on, he was raised as a Muslim but he is a practicing Christian I doubt he prays toward Mecca.

come on AU.....not many people get such good straight lines as I just gave you
dont waiste it....

IN A TOTALLY UNRELATED NOTE

SINCE I cant get on for the nooner since I am a institution of higher learning lecturing FOUR classes today.....TAKE THAT TOO......

the coach of the team who won 100 to 0

WAS FIRED YESTERDAY.....

price of success I guess

He most likelt will be impeached when America finds out he bows tro Mecca 5 times a day in the Oval Office

Posted by timbci at 2009-01-27 11:03 AM

Religion is a crime now I see....hello thought police.

He admitted it in his book and on NBC news even though Brian Williams tried to cover for him
#73 | Posted by timbci

That was actually George Stfanopolous.

My bad. I knew it was one of those journalists with a bad haircut

Bad hair cut? Most "journalists" in America spend more time on their hair than checking facts.

Read his first book he mentions many things about his Musilm upbringing, including his statement that "The Muslim call to prayer is the most beautiful sound I've ever heard"

#79 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

Actually he said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset"

It is quite beautiful, and haunting. But I'm not a Muslim. I think Gregorian Chant is beautiful too, but I'm not a Catholic.

He most likelt will be impeached when America finds out he bows tro Mecca 5 times a day in the Oval Office

Posted by timbci at 2009-01-27 11:03 AM

Religion is a crime now I see....hello thought police

He couldn't beat Rick Lazio if Osama Obama ran as the son of a Muslim immigrant

Religion is a crime...it's called tax evasion.

/avoision?

Actually he said the Muslim call to prayer is "one of the prettiest sounds on earth at sunset"
It is quite beautiful, and haunting. But I'm not a Muslim. I think Gregorian Chant is beautiful too, but I'm not a Catholic.

#91 | POSTED BY SANANTONIOROGUE

So you agree that he was raised as a Muslim?

He couldn't beat Rick Lazio if Osama Obama ran as the son of a Muslim immigrant

Posted by timbci at 2009-01-27 11:10 AM |

But he did run as the son of a Muslim immigrant who also had a Christian American mother, who raised him and he did win.

Obama's mother was an atheist.

George Stefanopolous reminds me of John Edwards. I met John Edwards once years ago at a strip club in Atalntic City. It was called Carolina Cutie's. He bought me a shot of goldschlager and we talked how lap dnaCES SHOULD BE TAX DEDUCTIBLE.

Obama's mother was an atheist.

Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 11:13 AM |

OK, but still not Muslim. Why are the right so opposed to mothers that Obama's gets no credit. She is white, but her son is called black. She is not Muslim, but the son she raised is?

and his father wasn't an immigrant he was here on an educational visa. Just visiting..and knocking up white underage women.

So you agree that he was raised as a Muslim?

#94 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

No. His mother was likely an agnostic, his father absent, and his step-father a secular Muslim. He took a 1 hour weekly religion class on Islam while in public school for 2 years. He also went to Catholic school for 2 years so I'd say its a wash.

The whole "one drop of black blood makes you black" started in the south where even if you were half white but looked black you still had to give up your seat on the bus.

No. His mother was likely an agnostic, his father absent, and his step-father a secular Muslim. He took a 1 hour weekly religion class on Islam while in public school for 2 years. He also went to Catholic school for 2 years so I'd say its a wash.

#100 | POSTED BY SANANTONIOROGUE

Nice Spin...So you disagree with Obama when he refers to his "Muslim upbringing"?

After reading the posts of the righties here I have agree with Bob Herbert's column posted on the back page (not be me). Really, why would anyone listen to Republicans??? They obviously have nothing of substance to say, just pathetic cheap shots about Obama's heritage, religion, etc. Clue here morons: He won the election and is now the president. Your lame attempts to slander him failed. You're going to have to think up (or more likely Rush will have to think up) new schtick.

He was adopted as Barry Soetoro and raised as a Muslim in Indonesia...Ipso Facto.

I'm not a republican and it's not a cheap shot just a fact and verified by Obama himself.

verified by Obama himself.

Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 11:22 AM

Then finding proof should be a walk in the park. Eagerly awaiting it.

Why does the left want to deny Obama his heritage?

READ HIS BOOK

you can read it while you're walking in the park if that helps.

We need to be equally vigilant against radical extremists in our own midst.

Some are every bit like Bin Laden: the scion of someone who handed him a life, and is now an extreme radical bent on hate and destruction. I wonder what kind of hate groups they belong to.

Wouldn't be surprising if the Secret Service paid them a visit one day. Their hate of the President is too blatant to not go unnoticed by CARNIVORE.

I don't hate Obama I just don't think lying about his past is the right thing to do.

READ HIS BOOK

#108 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 11:24 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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you can read it while you're walking in the park if that helps.

#109 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 11:24 AM

Since you did, can you tell me page or at least chapter? One would think something so easy to prove would have been proved months ago, by Hillary who ran against him or maybe McCain who ran against him.

christians and muslims if they got to being friends instead of mortal enemies as nanc wants

could immediately bring full peace to the world.

half the world population united as one.

#3 | Posted by klifferd
* * * *

Uh huh. Well Christians are pretty thin on the ground in Chechnya. And in India. But the Muslims are at war with the Russians and the Indians nonetheless. Not a lot of Christians running the show in Jerusalem either.

Maybe it isn't Christians who are part of the problem, let alone half of it.

Nice Spin...So you disagree with Obama when he refers to his "Muslim upbringing"?

#102 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

Spin. I've provided you documented facts. You've provided bupkus.

Find another topic to troll.

You elected a traitor in the form of some naiive little street-agitating asshole that feels he must grovel and apologize for his nation to a culture of barbarians.

Later.

#70 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Apologized, groveled, eh? Prove it. You can't.

Later. You aren't right in the head.

MAO

Pound for pound you're as equally crazy as any Arab radical

Since you did, can you tell me page or at least chapter? One would think something so easy to prove would have been proved months ago, by Hillary who ran against him or maybe McCain who ran against him.

#112 | POSTED BY KANREI

It's was over a year ago and I took it out from the library so I can't tell you the page but why don't you read it and find out who Obama is in his own words and stop painting him to be who you want him to be. McCain knew better that to bring up the fact that Obama was raised as a Muslim in the PC world elections are run in.

Pound for pound you're as equally crazy as any Arab radical

Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2009-01-27 11:34 AM

Mao has them beat actually. At least Arab radicals are going off of centuries old beliefs while Mao is just making it up as he goes along.

why don't you read it and find out who Obama is in his own words and stop painting him to be who you want him to be.

Because, if he is a liar as the right keeps saying, then why should I believe his own words?

Painting him who I want him to be? That is funny!

Find another topic to troll.

#114 | POSTED BY SANANTONIOROGUE

Ha Ha... you're calling me a troll, at least you finally said something funny. I thought you were completely devoid of any sense of humor

McCain knew better that to bring up the fact that Obama was raised as a Muslim in the PC world elections are run in.

#117 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 11:35 AM

But it was brought up, over and over again, with suits brought to the Supreme Court over and over again. All denied.

Painting him who I want him to be? That is funny!

#119 | POSTED BY KANREI

Funny and sad.

with suits brought to the Supreme Court over and over again. All denied.

#121 | POSTED BY KANREI

Citation needed.

Citation needed.

#123 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 11:40 AM

That is really funny! I have spent the last 90 minutes asking you for citation over and over again, only to get "read the book."

Read the Supreme Court Case listings for 2008!

Funny and sad.

#122 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 11:39 AM

Only that you think so.

The Supreme court denied hearing a case that Obama had a Muslim upbringing? I think you mean a case about his being a natural born citizen. But keep arguing your foolish point it's quite humorous.

The Supreme court denied hearing a case that Obama had a Muslim upbringing?

The two are related, intertwined, and the same thing. Keep spinning your foolish points, your dizziness is amusing.

That is really funny! I have spent the last 90 minutes asking you for citation over and over again, only to get "read the book."
Read the Supreme Court Case listings for 2008!

#124 | POSTED BY KANREI

His book contains the citation and I just checked the Supreme court calender and there was nothing about Obama's Muslim upbringing.

The Supreme court denied hearing a case that Obama had a Muslim upbringing?
The two are related, intertwined, and the same thing. Keep spinning your foolish points, your dizziness is amusing.

#127 | POSTED BY KANREI

WOW! Obama admitted he had a muslim upbringing he never admitted he was not born in America.

The suit stated that he was not born in America. The Muslim issue is that he was raised in a Muslim country. One hand washes the other and the suit was actually about his being born in a Muslim country because McCain was not born in the continental US, but no one said a word.

Obama admitted he had a muslim upbringing

Citation? Now asking for 105 minutes.

Now show me where this case went to the Supreme Court? The Obama made up case was tried over and over again.

please go on, this is entertaining.

Show me where liberal rags wasted time and money pushing this issue. I can give you over a year's worth of WND, Newsmax, Drudge Report, etc covering Obama.

"It was never my intent to hide my Muslim upbringing--I guess since my life is now filled with the love of Christ, it just seemed to me to be a part of my childhood environment and not a conscious life decision that I should be worried about. I am much more concerned that there are politicians who preach tolerance yet promote intolerance. If they want to use religious bigotry to further their worldly ambitions, then I feel sorry for them."

#135 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 11:53 AM |

CITATION! My G-d, how hard is it for you to understand that all I am asking for is a link, not a quote!

I do like this part though: "I am much more concerned that there are politicians who preach tolerance yet promote intolerance. If they want to use religious bigotry to further their worldly ambitions, then I feel sorry for them."

After reading the posts of the righties here I have agree with Bob Herbert's column posted on the back page (not be me). Really, why would anyone listen to Republicans??? They obviously have nothing of substance to say, just pathetic cheap shots about Obama's heritage, religion, etc. Clue here morons: He won the election and is now the president. Your lame attempts to slander him failed. You're going to have to think up (or more likely Rush will have to think up) new schtick.

#103 | Posted by danni

Agreed.

Cite where the Supreme court denied hearing a case about Obama's Muslim upbringing. I told you where to find Obama admitting he was raised as a Muslim It's in his book, not newsmax or the drudge report.

Well I don't feel sorry for you, you're in denial.
READ OBAMA'S BOOK.

Cite where the Supreme court denied hearing a case about Obama's Muslim upbringing. I told you where to find Obama admitting he was raised as a Muslim It's in his book, not newsmax or the drudge report.

#139 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 11:57 AM

And I told you where: the 2008 Supreme Court records. When you cite chapter and page, I will cite case number.

READ OBAMA'S BOOK

No point. You have convinced me he is a liar. Now prove you are telling the truth.

Chapter 7 page 256

Please cite case number

Which book, he wrote two. I am leaving for lunch in a few and will goto Barnes and Noble to check it.

I didn't Say Obama was A liar I said you and American Unity are liars. Obama rightly refered to his Muslim upbringing.

Case #?

"What I told him is start by listening, because all too often the United States starts by dictating in the past on some of these issues and we don't always know all the factors that are involved," Obama said. "What we want to do is to listen, set aside some of the preconceptions that have existed and have built up over the last several years. And I think if we do that, then there's a possibility at least of achieving some breakthroughs."

Why didn't he just say.....

"I won, I trump all you.... "

Shirt,

Which book, he wrote two. I am leaving for lunch in a few and will goto Barnes and Noble to check it.

#145 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-01-27 12:01 PM

I am still waiting, but have to leave for lunch now. Maybe you can make that up by the time I get back.

So, Obama has Muslim influences. So what?

I was raised a Mormon. It has no bearing on who I am today.

All this religious bullshit is meant to be divisive. The quicker we can all get away from it, the better off we all will be.

Eric, Muslims are all around you. They sell you gasoline. They answer your technical inquires. They make your wife's panties.

They're everywhere. I bet you'd like for all of them to wear identifying patches on their clothing so you could tell them apart.

He forgot to tell them who their real worst enemy is:

Themselves.

If you're ignorant and poor and someone in your community is telling you to blame people living half the world away, chances are that person has a vested interest in seeing that you remain ignorant and poor.

In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koran studies. Indeed, Obama still retains knowledge from that class: Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them [to Kristof] with a first-rate accent."

In his autobiography, Dreams of My Father, Obama relates how he got into trouble for making faces during Koran studies.

#152 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

Yes, I think its already been acknowledged and documented that students in Indonesian public schools are required to take 1 hour/week of religious study.

"Nicholas Kristof of The New York Times reports that Obama "recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them [to Kristof] with a first-rate accent.""

I can speak a few sentences of Russian with a perfect dialect. Same thing with Italian. Does that make me Russian, or Italian?

Eric, Muslims are all around you. They sell you gasoline. They answer your technical inquires. They make your wife's panties.
They're everywhere. I bet you'd like for all of them to wear identifying patches on their clothing so you could tell them apart.

#150 | POSTED BY RON_KARATE

I have nothing against Obama's Muslim Upbringing. I am an atheist and My girlfriend is Buddhist. It seems that the people who can't admit that Obama himself admits he was raised as a Muslim (not his choice) are the ones who are afraid of it.

So then we all agree that he was raised as a muslim. I'm not saying he IS a Muslim just he was raised as one.

berift of historical knowledge,..."

I know...you're a history encyclopedia, right?...

#83 | Posted by jestgettinalong

No. But I did read OBL's words concerning why 911 occurred, why Islam is in part most angry with the West, especially the US. But the US felt it necessary to poke that stick into the ant hill and swirl it around, occupy Holy Lands (though technically invited by the sheiks, false followers of Islam they are).

As I stated, the US and the West out of Islamic countries would go a long way towards Peace. I did not state that it would be a panacea.

Leave my wife panties out of this!

His Muslim upbringing could workout as an advantage in trying to bring world peace though first hand knowledge and understanding. But don't lie and say it didn't happen or call me childish name because you are in denial of it.

Cite where the Supreme court denied hearing a case about Obama's Muslim upbringing. I told you where to find Obama admitting he was raised as a Muslim It's in his book, not newsmax or the drudge report.

Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 11:57 AM | Reply

Do You really think Obama's Atheist/Agnostic Mother would have allowed Him to be brought up in a Muslim/Christian/Jewish/Hindu atmosphere?? You have got to be kidding.

Larry

Women in love will make their offspring conform to the beliefs of their new lover. This wasn't the first Muslim she had sex with. And no I'm not kidding.

he lived in a muslim country
and he understands better then anyone what the muslim world is hoping to hear based on his understanding of the muslim culture

but his understanding it is a positive for america
not a negative

he's not a muslim
he's all about a secular american government despite what the media thinks
and an understanding of how to talk to the muslim world will lead to peace or at least thats our hope isn't it?

johnson and nanc don't want peace
they want ethnic cleansing and armageddon
so those of us on both sides of the fence that armegeddon chasers can see the postives in this.

She moved him to a Muslim country didn't she?

I never said it was a negative thing, Just a fact.

"Women in love will make their offspring conform to the beliefs of their new lover. This wasn't the first Muslim she had sex with. And no I'm not kidding."

actually shirts

i know a couple where a paki guy married a christian woman

and their kids are christian, not muslim.

thats a very generic statement and it undermines obama's mother, and makes vast assumptions on her thoughts and her knowledge transfer to her child.

Well it happened so what are you saying about Obama's mothers judgement?

"She moved him to a Muslim country didn't she?"

i think every american should visit a 3rd world country

muslim or not muslim

understand what we as americans have
and why we are blessed
and why we are obligated to spread knowledge and education to the world (not democracy)

democracy will come if the people are educated

"Well it happened so what are you saying about Obama's mothers judgement?"

what happened

obama became a muslim

i see zero proof in this statement

trust me
being a muslim, i would appreciate it if he was and would be gloating non stop

TRUTH ABOUT OBAMA's UPBRINGING that Shirts By Eric edeoesn't want You top know because He is a total fraud.

MY girlfriend is Buddhist. I am an Atheist. If we had a kid and put him in a Buddhist school. Guess what? He would be raised as a Buddhist. But don't let facts get in the way of your beliefs

shirts

agreed
had obama been in a muslim school for lets say a decade
he might be a muslim

lets assume the school was muslim

in 2 years of his early early youth
he would not be a muslim

sorry it takes more then 2 years in a muslim school to become muslim.

Larry that says he IS a Muslim. I only said (as did Obama) that he was raised as a Muslim. But site some internet link and call me a total fraud because that make Me and Obama liars.

nice try

sorry 4 years
from ages 6 to 10

yea he's defintely not a muslim

i didn't even finish reading the koran till i was 15

in 2 years of his early early youth
he would not be a muslim

sorry it takes more then 2 years in a muslim school to become muslim.

Posted by klifferd at 2009-01-27 12:30 PM | Reply

Which He never even attended. That chool in which people CLAIM was muslim was a Secular school where Muslim catholcs and Christians(Protestants) went to learn. It wasn't a religious school at all.

Larry

sorry it takes more then 2 years in a muslim school to become muslim.

#171 | POSTED BY KLIFFERD

Didn't say he is a Muslim, just said he was raised as one. Didn't say it was his choice. He converted to Christianity and was baptised by Rev Wright.

from personal experience
to be raised a muslim

you need to have someone barking at you to pray all day, everyday (my mother)

you need someone making you read the koran in arabic (my mother and father)

you need someone making you listen to all the muslim stories about the saints, etc (told by my grandmother to me)

you need more then just a school to be raised a muslim

i guarantee if i went to catholic school

i would have still been raised a muslim

Larry when you study Islam in school that makes it a religious school.

Shirts, Obama also attended a catholic school in Indonesia so I guess that makes him a catholic muslim.

shirts
i studied islam in the 7th grade
as part of required curriculum in my town public highschool in connecticut.

i guess everyone in ct is raised a muslim

i would have still been raised a muslim

#176 | POSTED BY KLIFFERD

I said raised AS a Muslim not raised a Muslim

shirts i know what you said

what is the difference
between raised as a muslim and raised a muslim?

He didn't become a Catholic till MR GOD DAMN AMERICA baptised him.

Larry that says he IS a Muslim. I only said (as did Obama) that he was raised as a Muslim. But site some internet link and call me a total fraud because that make Me and Obama liars.

nice try

Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 12:30 PM | Reply

He wasn't raised a muslim He isn't a muslim but nice try once again foir spewing forth bullshit out of Your ass like usual.

From My link above.

Was Obama's father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a "radical Muslim who migrated from Kenya to Jakarta, Indonesia?"

No. Though Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was raised a Muslim, he had lost his faith and become a "confirmed atheist" by the time he attended college, according to his son. Obama's parents separated when Barack was two, his father moving not to Jakarta, but to the United States, where he attended Harvard. Eventually he returned to Kenya.

About Poll
Do you believe Barack Obama could really be a 'stealth' Muslim?
Yes, I don't trust him.
No, that's a kooky idea.
I can't decide.

Current Results

Please note: This is not a scientific poll. Results have likely been skewed by incoming links. Caveat lector!

Did Obama's mother go on to marry another Muslim named Lolo Soetoro who "educated his stepson as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's Wahabbi schools?"

Yes and no. When Obama's mother remarried, it was indeed to an Indonesian man named Lolo Soetoro, whom his stepson describes as a "non-practicing" Muslim. But it was his "secular" mother who supervised his education, Obama has written, sending him to both Catholic and Muslim primary schools after the family moved to Jakarta. There is nothing on record to indicate Obama attended a madrassa (Muslim religious school) run by Wahabbists, and in any case it's unlikely his mother would have chosen to expose him to such an extreme form of Islam given her stated abhorrence of religious closed-mindedness and her stated goal of giving him a well-rounded education, including in matters of faith.

(Update: CNN has tracked down the school in question, the Basuki School in Jakarta, which a deputy headmaster described as a "public school" with no particular religious agenda. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment," he told CNN. A classmate of Obama's described the school as "general," with students of many religious backgrounds attending. Obama entered the school at the age of 8 and attended for two years.)

Larry

"He didn't become a Catholic till MR GOD DAMN AMERICA baptised him."

lol
he never was a Catholic

Because he is NOT a Muslim just raised as one.

"He didn't become a Catholic till MR GOD DAMN AMERICA baptised him."
lol
he never was a Catholic

#184 | POSTED BY KLIFFERD

Sorry heh heh, I meant Christian.

Larry are you calling Obama a liar?

Eric, he's not catholic or muslim. Get over it.

Larry are you calling Obama a liar?

Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 12:41 PM | Reply

Keep spewing Your bullshitr Eric You are sinking with Your own sinking vessel which I am glad for.

Larry

Never said he is a Muslim, You get over it

personally i feel obama was raised an agnostic

i don't exposure to muslims as being raised as one

but i do see it adding to his belief in a secular and accepting united states.

free for all faiths to practice (with boundaries of course... no human sacrifices :) )

shirts, if you feel he was raised as a muslim thats for you to think

but being a muslim, i don't understand the connection. i grew up in predominately white protestant neighborhoods my entire life... and i don't feel like i was raised as a christian

I'm sinking with my own sinking vessel which you are glad for?

LOL Wut?

It's not bullshit it's a quote from Obama's book.

Well At least I made you glad.

shirts, if you feel he was raised as a muslim thats for you to think
but being a muslim, i don't understand the connection. i grew up in predominately white protestant neighborhoods my entire life... and i don't feel like i was raised as a christian

#191 | POSTED BY KLIFFERD

I don't feel it I read it in Obama's book and I don't think it's a bad thing I've studied several religions and I'm still an Atheist just like the way I was born. Knowledge of other Cultures is a good think but denial for the facts about our elected leaders is just pathetic.

But keep calling me a rethug or a righty none of which is true if it make you feel better.
Or better yet read about Obama in his own words.

dude

i didn't call you a rethug

:) at least not in this thread

i've read obama's book

i didn't see that part.

I was talking about the others on this site that insult those they don't agree with. Not everyone is a Democrat or Republican, I know I'm not, and not every Muslim is a terrorist. In fact the large majority are not.

Still no links Shirts? Too bad. I guess citation is too much to ask from the rabid.

As far as the case number goes, I gave you the answer when I first brought it up- the Supreme Court refused to hear the case every time it was brought up, so THERE IS NO CASE NUMBER: NO CASE HEARD= NO CASE NUMBER! Thanks for being so much fun.

i've read obama's book

i didn't see that part.

#194 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-01-27 12:58 PM

Kilfff,
I have been trying all day for him to prove it is either said in the book, or in some NBC interview he claims to have seen, but so far...nothing.

This is the Thread where the the often stated GOP standard of "No Religuose Litmus Test for Office" goes out the Window!

Kliff,
Since you have the book, Shirts claims it an be found in
Chapter 7 page 256

#143 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-27 12:01 PM

Can you look it up, or is he (shock) LYING?

Berb's suit calims OBAMA is named as "BARRY SOETORO" as that is his "real" name when he was legally adopted in Indonesia by a muslim father, Berg's garbage has been denied in lower courts as well as by Supreme Court

just saying

I thnk it would be a good idea that the phony righties on DR stop proving how ignorant they are!

Hey, what do you can't your crypto-xenophobic bullshit and realize we've got someone in office who actually think and, you know, realizes you can't bully the world into submission (unless you kill everyone in it). The neocon has been proven to be a bad, impotent, joke of a way to work (or is Israel a paradise on earth?)

Anyhow, Obama won. Suck on it.

SHIRTS

The bottom line is, whether or not President was/is/could be a Muslim, his knowledge of that culture is invaluable in this day and age.

He is not a Muslim, but the Muslim world figures (rightly) that at the least he understands where they're coming from.

No one is offering an olive branch to anyone who seeks to do us harm. President Obama said during his Inaugural address:

And so, to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and we are ready to lead once more.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with the sturdy alliances and enduring convictions.

They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use. Our security emanates from the justness of our cause; the force of our example; the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

We are the keepers of this legacy, guided by these principles once more, we can meet those new threats that demand even greater effort, even greater cooperation and understanding between nations. We'll begin to responsibly leave Iraq to its people and forge a hard- earned peace in Afghanistan.

With old friends and former foes, we'll work tirelessly to lessen the nuclear threat and roll back the specter of a warming planet.

We will not apologize for our way of life nor will we waver in its defense.

And for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that, "Our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken. You cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you."

To the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward, based on mutual interest and mutual respect.

To those leaders around the globe who seek to sow conflict or blame their society's ills on the West, know that your people will judge you on what you can build, not what you destroy.

I found his message very pragmatic.

Why are lefties so upset that Obama may have been raised a Muslim? You would think with their "evolved" & "inclusive" nature, they'd be thrilled at this opportunity to have common ground with our greatest enemies so we could "start a dialogue"! What difference does it make? Perhaps knowing that you'll have to forgo the "theocracry" insults in the name of political correctness takes the fun out of it for you? I actually think it would be great fun to watch libs in a tailspin wanting to make sure their constituents know they are hard on terrorism but the president is still an OK guy even if he may be "one of them". They'd probably just create a deafening silence to avoid the conflict like they have in regards to blacks being so outspoken against gay marriage. Minority or alternative lifestyle, which consideration deserves the most consideration? It's just so damn hard to chose with all those votes hanging in the balance! They seemingly can't handle dissent within the ranks that shines a revealing light on the "we love everyone the same, we swear" model even if they create such an unrealistic expectation for themselves! Its great fun to watch! Dealing in absolutes & collectivism creates these kinds of problems there libbies!

As Colin Powell said about the internet rumors of Obama being a muslim, "So what if he is? What difference should it make whatever religion a President is? We're a secular government." (ph)

Hatebigov

It is the rightists that are upset Obama is a Muslim. I welcome our first Muslim President. Allah hasn't had enough positive air time in America. I've heard about the 72 virgin bit, and it sounds good---but the requirements seem extreme. If they have a program where you can qualify for 3 or 4, Christianity is in real trouble.

Buffalo Bob, Allah isn't the problem, neither is Jesus, it's those who corrupt their message for their own gain. You'll be lucky to find 72 virgins in America over the age of 18.

What difference should it make whatever religion a President is? We're a secular government." (ph)

Sincerely,
Mitt Romney

i think shirts agrees that his knowledge is a good thing

its a simple matter of symantics that is the issue.

and i don't think its that big an issue.

and kanrai
i have audacity of hope on me right now
its not on that page in that book

are you talking "dreams of my father"?

Ho hum. We may not be enemies of the Muslims, but that seems to be unilateral as they have maddrassas tutoring their young with the ideology that the West is their enemy to be conquered and destroyed, and that the world is to be subjugated by Islam, and sharia law established worldwide.

So, the Obama Doctrine establishes us as passive victims of Islamic hostility to Western values and Western power, and to the ideals of freedom and democracy that constitute Western thought.

But then Obama spent his formative years being indoctrinated as a Muslim, so he may be sympathetic at best, and an instrument for Islamic domination at worst, a "Manchurian Candidate," who has installed himself in a position of power in the Western world. By the way, a large portion of the Islamic world regards Barack Hussein Obama as a Muslim, who will work in the interests of the umma and for the eventual subjugation of the infidels, and establishment of Islamic supremacy and domination with sharia law defining what is best for humanity.

The Islamic world has been proactive in attacking the West. It is the West that needs to receive demonstrated assurances that the Islamic primitives do not engage in forays from their territories to harm Westerners, and to threaten fatwahs against Western expressions, and kill Westerners.

Obama has it backwards.

That is if Obama seriously believes that proffer of a hand of friendship to a group that is a murder and suicide cult is a rational move. It is the Islamics that are proactively aggressors.

hahahhahahahah

johnny ethnic cleanser is back for more verbosity

That is if Obama seriously believes that proffer of a hand of friendship to a group that is a murder and suicide cult is a rational move. It is the Islamics that are proactively aggressors.

JOHNSON

Which murder and suicide group is that, JOHNSON?

Islam, AU, or shall I use your nickname Gold.

#211 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-01-27 06:41 PM

johnny ethnic cleanser is back for more verbosity

My goal is to have the Muslims repair to their god-forsaken homelands and not issue forth to do harm to civilized folks. It is the staging grounds and sanctuary and the support provided to the terrorists by the Taliban in control of Afghanistan that provided a staging ground for the al-Qaeda attacks. Quite naturally, this resulted in some consequences that are still in process. It is the Iranian belligerency and threats to the West and the United States, whom they call the Great Satan, that might cause us to undertake a proactive response to secure our safety.

The Islamics are railing against civilization and trying to secure a return to the primitive values that exist as Islam. The Islamics are not content with living their own miserable lives in their own miserable societies, but seek to export their teachings and intimidate civilized folks, and subjugate civilized people to the tenets of Islam.

So, the attempts to destroy a culture, the vicious attacks, are initiated by and issue from Islam. That Western civilization is not yet totally decadent and degenerate and so opposes Islamic belligerency and violence, speaks well for the West.

No klifferd, I don't espouse "ethnic cleansing." I just oppose the aggressiveness and intrusion of Islamics into the civilized world with the belligerence and hostility the Islamics have manifested. Of course, if Islamic aggression becomes a sufficiently serious problem, then it must be countered, and dealing with it rationally will depend on its manifestation. Who knows what measures will need to be taken to contain and possibly eliminate Islamic aggression.

JOHNSON

I've known many Muslims in my life. Good people - helpful and considerate. Family oriented.

Oh, and ya, you can call me Gold if you want to

I've known many Muslims in my life. Good people - helpful and considerate. Family oriented.

#215 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I agree. The whole family is involved in the gas station. And they normally make change while calling Americans dirty names while on a cell phone in a foreign langauge that only the relatives understand.

Obama is just talking to the people who bought the job. the terrorist

wisgod

my father has a phd in physics from UPENN.
thats an ivy league university.

gas station? hardly

nasa? yes

nice try though
w is god hahahahhahah

I have absolutely no problem with using soft power in the GWT.
I believe it is essential to make every attempt to slow the blood thirst of the Islamic Fundamentalists via peaceful intentions and other trickery.
BHO would be wise to move in a peaceful direction and at the same time, holding a big stick behind his back, just as they will.
Never forget that Western Infidels MUST be converted or terminated in accordance with Muslim beliefs.
When the terrorist can fool the Infidel into lowering his guard long enough to strike, they will...it is what they do...it is how they think...now and forever.
The attack on Twin Towers in 1993 and 2001 comes to mind as two of many strikes that bolster the long time, deep desire to destroy the Western Infidel...long before the invasion of Iraq.

OH FUCK! MOSLEEMS! HE'S TALKING TO THE MOSLEEMS! AAAAAARRGH!

That Western civilization is not yet totally decadent and degenerate and so opposes Islamic belligerency and violence, speaks well for the West.

#214 | Posted by Johnson

Those "belligerent and violent" forces of Islam don't really have to do a damn thing. The "not yet totally decadent and degenerate" West is doing a fine job of screwing itself in the ass and bringing itself down through its greed, sloth, complacency, and arrogance. 2009 has barely begun. How many 100s of thousands of jobs have been lost? How many thousands of more losses to come? How many retail chains and stores have already closed their doors? How many more will?

No, Islam need do nothing at all except watch the news as the Great Satan consumes itself.

"Islamic belligerency and violence"

#214 | Posted by Johnson

Hmmmmm... How many people have the nations of the "civilized" West killed, maimed, and displaced in the ME compared to the "belligerent and violent" forces of Islam? How many cities destroyed? How much infrastructure shattered?

"You kill one of us, we kill 10,000 of you! Men, women, children, don't matter, don't care!" Sounds like the typical Israeli style trade-off. Quite civilized.

"Never forget that Western Infidels MUST be converted or terminated in accordance with Muslim beliefs.
When the terrorist can fool the Infidel into lowering his guard long enough to strike, they will...it is what they do...it is how they think...now and forever.
The attack on Twin Towers in 1993 and 2001 comes to mind as two of many strikes that bolster the long time, deep desire to destroy the Western Infidel...long before the invasion of Iraq."

For CENTURIES....! Notice the use of the words, "battle," "invasion," "conquest," "war," "expedition," "campaign," etc. etc. Nothing much has changed.

Chronological History of Islam:

"This war was never a unilateral American war to be called off by an American calendar. The enemy, too, has a vote in how this struggle between American power and radical Islamism plays out in the years to come."

jest
you want to give me a chronological history of the usa?

how much ethnic cleansing lies in the hands of democracy?

war is in the history of all major empires.
thats all an empire is
a war delivery mechanism

blood is equally in the hands of all people.

so by you giving your little link
you prove nothing except an unfair tunnel vision view of islam

you don't make yourself better by saying...

"well he does it too"

"war is in the history of all major empires."

Yeah, most religions too, but they have involved. Christianity had its inquisitions and witch burnings long ago, but no more.
Seems to me that Islam hasn't evolved but maybe has even digressed. Name another which declares a "jihad" of some sort every damn day. Name another which presently condones "honor killings."
Does ANY other major religion have a history like Islam and continue the same barbaric practices today?

Islamic aggression?
Western infidels?
the "civilized world"?

fnord fnord fnord fnord...

All of these popular buzzwords belie the complexity behind the things they describe. Terrorism is not Islamic aggression- it's a combination of desperation and organized crime packaged in religious terms. It is human aggression. The Muslims I know are not too concerned with "converting" or "terminating" any infidels. That only becomes an issue when other people tell them it is. A long time ago, someone figured out that religion could be used to manipulate large numbers of people to do just about anything. For some reason, not enough people have caught on yet. Religion isn't the opiate of the masses- in some people's hands, it's more like PCP.

And the biggest joke of them all- the "civilized world". Secular, democratic societies do indeed have many virtues. Unfortunately, these islands of peace, liberty, and prosperity are all too often maintained at the expense of everyone else. In a "civilized world," this would not be necessary.

you don't make yourself better by saying...
"well he does it too"

You could get higher that way, though...

"Does ANY other major religion have a history like Islam and continue the same barbaric practices today?"

yes hitler killed 6 million jews and involked Christianity.

america enslaved millions of savage heathen black people and forced christianity

christianity also killed millions of native americans (savage heathens)

democracy carpet bombed millions of vietnamese and koreans.

well over a million iraqis have died in both iraq wars combined.

judge not lest ye be judged yourself

Klifferd: You missed a key word in the question asked. Look at the last word in the sentence that starts with T and ends with Y.

Also, klifferd, may I bring your attention to your own post upthread, number 228?

goatman
i didn't

today you are in iraq.
where millions have died.

lol you got me

with 228

butttt....

my point is that we are all fucked up
not one race
religion
ideology hasn't done fucked up shit

thats why i brought in christianity AND democracy

i'm not saying one is worse then the other like Jest

i'm saying everyones bad
and to point fingers constantly doesn't help to solve the problems

:)

today you are in iraq.

The question was:

"Does ANY other major religion have a history like Islam and continue the same barbaric practices today?"

goatman
its over ideology
whats the difference?

oh and goatman

bush did say crusade

i'm just saying

"To listen to the lefties here, you'd think it was over oil "

i'm not a lefty

its over ideology
whats the difference?

Ideologies don't necessarily involve a god.

What a joke of a lead article, meanwhile Clinton/Rice? saying:

1/28/09 Clinton: Israel has right to respond to Gaza rocket attacks

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday that Israel had a right to defend itself and that Palestinian rocket attacks on the Jewish territory could not go unanswered.

god is a motivation

so are many many other things

so again whats the difference?

Sorrry, klifferd, you keep moving goalposts. I can't keep up.

goalpost is the same

there is blood on the hands of every religion
and every ideology

even T oda Y

lets work together not against each other so we can clean the blood

there is blood on the hands of every religion
and every ideology

even T oda Y

lets work together not against each other so we can clean the blood

#244 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-01-28 12:26 PM | Reply |

Post of the Day (so far)

obama isn't talkking to the muslim world that is extremist and terrorizing

he's talking to the average person just trying to live

bringing up history of islamic war
means nothing

its like bringing up the history of christanity's brutality
means nothing

today is the first day of the rest of our lives

obama is doing a great thing by offering an open hand.

"obama is doing a great thing by offering an open hand."

might as well since he can't seem to shut up his lying Sec of State about who broke the Gaza ceasefire last time & again:>/

goalpost is the same

???

Someone asks a question pertaining to today. You respond with examples from the past. Moved goal post.

The question specifically referred to religion. You substitute with ideologies. Moved goal post.

You ask what is the difference between ideology and religion. I tell you. You then turn it into 'motivation'. Moved goal post.

As I said, I can't keep up with the moving goal posts, even though you fail to see them as such. You win

sorry you didn't give me a legit reason on the difference between idiology and religion

of course i win :)

sorry you didn't give me a legit reason on the difference between idiology and religion

I did. Here it is again: Ideologies don't necessarily involve a god. Religions generally do. I'm sorry you fail to see the difference between involving a god and not involving one. I suppose that is part of your muslim upbringing where god is part of everything. I wasn't raised that way, so that is probably why your views are different than mine.

Liberalism is an ideology. Christianity is a religion. I cannot accurately juxtapose the two, but I'm sure you can.

of course i win :)

Calvin always wins at Calvinball.

"I suppose that is part of your muslim upbringing where god is part of everything"

fair enough

good that you understand that :)

"Liberalism is an ideology. Christianity is a religion. I cannot accurately juxtapose the two, but I'm sure you can."

whatever happened to "Just being?"

Ideologies don't necessarily involve a god. Religions generally do.

Is deism the only thing that separates religion from ideology? I disagree. Ideologies are sets of concepts unified by over-arching principles. Ideology is part of religion. Ideology creates the differences in sects within a religion. Look at the ideological differences between Protestants and Catholics, or the Sunni and Shi'a. Humans constantly redefine the meanings of religions through alterations to religious ideology that gradually accumulate over time. Scriptures remain relatively constant. They are mistranslated, and in some cases sections are added or removed, but they are not constantly being rewritten. There are conscious efforts to preserve the integrity of their words. Ideologies, based on interpretations of scripture by individuals and groups, are far more dynamic.

Ideology is a moral code, socially determined (government, religion, family). Ideology is a framework of codes and ideas, and religion is part of ideology.

C. Geertz defined religion in terms of what religion did: "A religion is a system of symbols which acts to establish powerful, pervasive and long-lasting moods and motivations by formulating conceptions of a general order or existence and clothing these conceptions with such an aura of factuality that the moods and motivations seem uniquely realistic. GK Chesterton had a similar description but of ideologies.

Emile Durkheim said that religion was "a unified system of beliefs and practices related to sacred things, things set apart and forbidden". Durkheim believed that some things were sacred, and others profane (non-sacred) in religion.

EB Taylor indicated that in many ideologies there was an overlap with religion because some things were considered sacred.

he will do just fine, HAMAS endorsed his presidency

he will do just fine, HAMAS endorsed his presidency

Posted by observer27

as did 83% of our american fellow citizens until a week ago:>)

Not all muslims--just "those muslims" are the enemies.

And what is the reply from Iminthemoodforjihad?

He wants an apology.

he will do just fine, HAMAS endorsed his presidency

Posted by observer27

as did 83% of our american fellow citizens until a week ago:>)

Holy smokes, that means 83% of Americans support Hamas!

and kanrai
i have audacity of hope on me right now
its not on that page in that book
are you talking "dreams of my father"?

It's not in "Dreams of my Father" either.