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Friday, January 23, 2009

Two missile attacks from suspected US drones have killed 14 people in north-western Pakistan, officials say.

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Pilot error?

BIN LADEN WANTS TO TALK WITH OBAMA ABOUT CEASE.FIRE
NEWSREPORT SAYS.....

Obama's approval?

In other words, a continuation of the Bush policy. What happened to talking out our differences?

OOOOPPPPSSSSSS

Bwahahaha. Change....

If Barry keeps "air raiding villages and killing civilians" he'll get my support.

These attacks happened right after Pakistani Frontier Corps were attacked.

Good shooting.

The bombing will continue until morale improves.

sovereign nation...depleted urainium...women and children killed...he's making more terrorists...no UN approval...unilateral...cowboy justice...Pakistan never attacked us...No consensus of nations...secret military action...won't answer any questions about the attack.

Why aren't these questions being asked?

Bad taliban guy who was making trouble in Pakistan, was killed two days ago in a shoot-out.

Some of his buddies started acting up.

So we sent in the drones. LOL

Zardari had warned them.... I didn't think the dope was serious.

Why aren't these questions being asked?

You are confusing yourself.

The answer is in front of your face, old chap. Think simple.

Next thing you know Obama will be claiming that Al Quaeda not Iraq is responsible for 9-11.

Here... let me give you a clue.

See THIS drone???

i39.tinypic.com

hahahahahahahahaha

The answer is in front of your face, old chap. Think simple.

#12 | POSTED BY TOSSER

like simple barak?

i361.photobucket.com

Obama as a country bumpkin?

I didn't get the joke...

In other words, a continuation of the Bush policy. What happened to talking out our differences?

#4 | Posted by JOE

Continuation of the Obama policy (the naive one according to the GOP)as finally adopted by Bush, Joe.

Do try and keep up.

Episode II Attack of the Drones

Obama as a country bumpkin?
I didn't get the joke...

#16 | POSTED BY TOSSER

It's a Tropic Thunder reference.

Have another look at this picture.

i39.tinypic.com

Autonomous Takeoff and Landing (ATOL)
Satellite Navigation.
Night operation.
Electronic warfare capabilities.
Can tap into cell phones from 200 miles away.
Weapons payload optional.

And this is the little guy. There are bigger ones.

I told you people a while back that US was sharing Predator technology with Pakistan...

Thank you very much.

It's a Tropic Thunder reference.

Oh. I haven't seen that movie.

Now I have no idea if Obama will continue sharing military tech with Pakistan.. or will he put a stop to it?

I doubt he will. There is nothing different about this guy compared to the last one.

"Continuation of the Obama policy (the naive one according to the GOP)as finally adopted by Bush, Joe"

I see. So now, whenever Obama does something that's exactly what Bush did, it's because Bush was copying Obama. You people are a hoot.

But nawww.... you guys will never get it, even after I gave you a clue about what really happens out there.

Single track minds. LOL

Whatever... I'm done. The one's who get it, get it.

"You people are a hoot."

Excuse me but Obama did say he would send troops into Pakistan if he had actionable intelligence and was heavily criticized for it and right after that Bush began doing it.

Note to W.H. Press, don't even bring it up.

Put the puzzle pieces together.

U.S. military recruiters use video arcades in urban areas
www.iht.com

Killer Drone's use XBox, and Playstation software
Clark has been prepping for the job since he was a kid: He plays videogames. A lot of videogames. Back in the barracks he spends downtime with an Xbox and a PlayStation. When he first slid behind the controls of a Shadow UAV, the point and click operation turned out to work much the same way. "You watch the screen. You tell it to roll left, it rolls left. It's pretty simple
www.wired.com

I have already stated that they are planning to escalate the war into Pakistan. This is how they plan on doing it. With pimple faced kids working the joystick of a predator drones from a bunker, of vehicle somewhere near by Or maybe from an aircraft carrier.

Danni is getting early practice at blindly defending Obama's following the footsteps of the Bush policy war plans.

This is how they plan on doing it.

With drones?

Hell no. It can't be done.

I would explain, but I doubt you would understand.

As for the drones... you should be asking yourself, "WHOSE drones"? LOL

Look at that pic again... it isn't American.

A new game has started.

"Danni is getting early practice at blindly defending Obama's following the footsteps of the Bush policy war plans."

Bull shit, I was just stating an historical fact. I'm surprised you are, apparently, unaware of it Jeff, you need to pay closer attention.

We may end up with drones fighting drones???
Just kids operating video games will become the new war???

US Drones Kill 14 in Pakistan

They finally managed to recruit some Republicans?

We may end up with drones fighting drones???

Not tomorrow, no.

Maybe day after tomorrow?

what tosser we're supposed to just keep giving pakis money and military tech and give you guys a few decades to do it right?

Besides.. why would our drones fight US drones as long as the people wanted in Pakistan for terror-crimes are getting killed?

Drone attacks were a strategy designed by the Pentagon, not to defeat the Taliban or Al-Qaeda, but to prick them into moving in a certain direction.

To herd them. And to gather intel to see who comes to help.

Right now, they are being kept away from a place called Bajour.

we will never have drones fighting drones... that would be 2 great powers at war... thats finished.

Tosser, the photo you linked to has a date on it of "July 2009". Six months from now. Account for this.

what tosser we're supposed to just keep giving pakis money and military tech

LOL... you already done THAT...!

and give you guys a few decades to do it right?

We are only controlling them using as little force as we can.

For an obvious reason.

Six months from now. Account for this.

I thought that was obvious...

It's a calender, isn't it? Pakistan Airforce, 2009.

They never made their stuff this public before. Very unlike them.

Obi did threaten to attack dark forces in Pakistan during the campaign when pressed for answer. However, practice makes perfect and going from attacking a darth-vader administration to defending this new jedi master will take some practice for libs - should be a refreshing change they voted for.

Murderer!

I only saw the photo, no indication it was a calendar photo at all. Could have well be a Photoshop work.

So, for the record, you are saying that your government is responsible for these drone attacks?

Obi did threaten to attack dark forces in Pakistan

With ground forces... not with drones.

44 was of course directed to Tosser.

So, for the record

Mushi was on record saying he ordered one, at least once.

President Zardari gave a statement a while back that "drone attacks will not stop".

Make up your own mind, silly boy.

Even if this was done by American Predators, they took out our targets. LOL

And I just saw the glaring typing errors in 44... goddamned lack of caffeine.... ah well.

our targets

Meaning people wanted by Pak.

no indication it was a calendar photo

It looks like a calender and it sez July in big calendar font... LOL

And no, I have seen other pics. It's for real, not photoshoped.

NO BLOOD FOR OIL...DEMOCRAT WAR PIGS!!! BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!

(Seriously though, do what it takes, just thought I'd like to show the other side how reasonable they have been for the last seven years)

So, your government is responsible for the attacks. Your government gave the order to fire. This is what you are implying? Yes or no, Tosser?

We are only controlling them using as little force as we can.

For an obvious reason.

#40 | Posted by Tosser

what ur scared of their counter-attack?

i'm no expert but detente is not the way to deal with extremists that are willing to wait decades, no? nip 'em in the butt early is the best way to thwart anything.

bren, i hate to brake it to you, but 'the other side' refers to iraq when they make those outlandish statements.. these attacks were in pakistan.

As for the Photoshop comment, I apologize, I just watched a promo video on the Falco. Sumamisen.

yes reason that is what he is claiming. although its most likely BS imho. i think tosser is sick of US forces having their way on 'his' land...

pakistan may be able to implement these attacks... but why do it when the masters are at work?

YODAR013 - Their hysteria is also much less controlled than my outburst.

One problem, Brent. Both sides are guilty of it. Neither side wishes to admit to it.

/thank the FSM for Firefox spellcheck....

"With ground forces... not with drones"
let me consult Hillary's comments-she was ridiculing him at the time...

you are quite right. and don't worry, you will have PLENTY of opportunities to shove the hypocritical irony in their face soon enough. but at the same time, aren't you glad Barry isn't as insanely left as he initially led the nation to believe?

100:1 tosser lost his internet connection... again.

i'm no expert

No, you are not.

See, it is stupid to make them more angry than they already are when we KNOW the US has lost the war in Afghanistan. (we are quite sure)

When the Americans go away, the Taliban problem for Pakistan will "disappear".

We're only four days in, so far he scares me.

#58 | Posted by LetUsReason

well put. its about time we realize that its not about sides. the left couldn't do this for the past 8 years... but the question is can the right do it?

i would say the opposite brent. give'em a chance. we'll see in a year or two.

As to your question on 60, Yodar, if you'll allow me to interject (and you have no choice in the matter, obviously), I'm not displeased by his stance at the current moment. I am still not enthusiastic about his actual ability to fix the problems this nation faces. Note, I readily acknowledge his desire to do so (I believe he is honest in that, at the least), but his actual ability to do so... I'm not optimistic.

i'm no expert

No, you are not.

See, it is stupid to make them more angry than they already are when we KNOW the US has lost the war in Afghanistan. (we are quite sure)

When the Americans go away, the Taliban problem for Pakistan will "disappear".

#62 | Posted by Tosser

yea but you are the expert tosser!!

how are you so sure?

'the taliban problem FOR PAKISTAN'

sorry buddy, but we care about our problems too

As to your question on 64, Yodar: If this board is any indication, I would have to answer with a resounding No. The right will feel they are entitled to be as hysterical as possible. Just as the left did.

But, I pose a question in response, and this is to both sides of the aisle: Is the other side completely wrong? Think about it before you answer. Get out of the "But they don't think like I do, so they have to be wrong!" mode of thought.

reason, does anybody have the ability? with this economy? he could make a good leader in terms of finding good people for specific problems. dunno, we'll see.

as much as i liked the maverick... who would u rather sit down with putin for some mind fucking? u know barry is better at that game.

gosh i sound like a BO nut sucker all of a sudden! just trying to be optimistic.

well sure, there's bound to be some backlash... righties sick of getting shat on by screaming libs.

but those feeling should cool down in a year or so i hope.

when it comes to the big issues, abortion, torture, national healthcare, etc etc its crazy for people to think of these in black and white. my goal is almost always to pull them into the gray. but it rarely happens.

Oh, crap, I think I hijacked the thread... stick to the drone attacks, folks!

/shame on LUR, no soup for LUR

I've read that the Taliban has pretty much free reign now in the entire Swat Valley Region, and that 1/3 or more of the population from this area have already fled.

14 down, many "Talibi" to go!

As for the Photoshop comment, I apologize, I just watched a promo video on the Falco.

www.janes.com

www.militaryphotos.net

...also induct UAVs equipped with weapon systems to carry out offensive operations.....

"...It is part of our operations now and I look forward to seeing this in real operations by beginning of 2009," said ACM Ahmed.

Yodar, regarding:

but those feeling should cool down in a year or so i hope.
Again, I am not optimistic.

Goddamnit, I need a different thread to discuss this philosophy crap! DRONES!

/and bear murdering. It's time for D&D, yay.
//

I've read that the Taliban has pretty much free reign now in the entire Swat Valley Region

Those are not "Taliban" taliban... they are Fazlullah's men. LOL

I wouldn't normally do this but I think this is a very interesting film clip concerning Pakistan.

Whoever is interested, change the last number in the http address and some raw footage of this guy comes on.

Tosser,

care to comment on this?
Have you ever been there?

www.vbs.tv

care to comment on this?
Have you ever been there?

No need to comment. The video is self explanatory.

No, I have never been there. Didn't need to.

sovereign nation...depleted urainium...women and children killed...he's making more terrorists...no UN approval...unilateral...cowboy justice...Pakistan never attacked us...No consensus of nations...secret military action...won't answer any questions about the attack.

Why aren't these questions being asked?

#10 | Posted by shirtsbyeric
Will Pelosi and Reid have the balls to prosecute O for war crimes?

Noticed him saying "Good luck!!!"...?

LOL

Good luck, indeed. NATO's goose is cooked.

Obama proclaims that Bush's war on terror is over and then bombs Pakistan...wth?

First it not "Bush's" war it's America's war.

And they are going to continue to fight and try to kill us--despite Obama's proclamation.

Isn't this the second bombing of Pakistan since he took office?

US drones? When did liberals start killing people?

Thank you RWD for that link!

nice!

Pakistan Zindabad!

Meanwhile the "taliban" continue to take more territory inside Afghanistan. LOL

Losers!

When you are gone, we can push these garbage people back into Afghanistan... where they came from.

America can only play a game on one level.

It takes playing on multiple levels to win, and you ain't got it.

If we had been sure America was going to win, we would've done things very very different. But we know, they are toast, so no need to go out of your way.

Just take their money and tech. Thank you very much.

The war in Afghanistan has been very good to us.

#83 | Posted by Tosser

You lost me.

Can you slow down and elaborate?

When the Americans go away, the Taliban problem for Pakistan will "disappear".

#62 | Posted by Tosser

You mean like they did in Afghanistan when the Russians left?

sovereign nation...depleted urainium...women and children killed...he's making more terrorists...no UN approval...unilateral...cowboy justice...Pakistan never attacked us...No consensus of nations...secret military action...won't answer any questions about the attack.

The Pakistan government is fully aware of the drone attacks and they are also cognizant of the Special Forces on the ground directing those attacks that nobody seems to want to talk about.

Al Quaeda, wot's left of them, have set up shop in the FATA region of Pakistan and it is in the best interest of both the US and Pakistan to make life hard for them.

Allowing the drone attacks means staving off a full scale ground troop invasion which might end up further empowering the militant factions within Pakistan. It's not a complete solution but it is better than either A) Doing nothing or B) Opening up a third front in terms of ground war.

Not attacking the source of a lot of the extremist terrorists and only killing the Taliban in Afghanistan is akin to swatting at wasps and never going near the hive.

You do have a serious point about depleted uranium. People really need to rethink that stuff. It is the primary source of the Gulf War syndrome that has adversely affected the health of far too many US troops and in Iraq women are giving birth to monsters due to it's use.

Did you know that DU is used in commercial aircraft as a "space efficient" counterweight and that when a Boeing 747 that has DU in it (1500 kg) crashlands the usual procedure is to remove the top 40 centimeters of top soil from the crash site in order to avoid contamination?

Yes, Spud gets that you were being facetious.

Do you get that Spud is being deadly serious?

America's involvement in both Afghanistan, Iraq and now Pakistan is predicated on Doctrine that states that the US is obligated in terms of national interests to prevent "internal instability" in this area in order to make sure that the flow of oil in that area is not interupted.

Trouble is, Dumbya's reign of errors has done more to create instability than stability.

Spud thinks a lot of that incompetence was deliberate in order to justify a forever war that would enrich the MIC as it impoverished the rest of the country.

Just as Israel have deliberately kept the Palestinians in a state of rage in order to wage their forever war on the occupied territories.

Given the current situation Obama faces, the continued use of drones in order to keep pressure on the AQ remanants is the only real course to take but sooner or later the idea that America cannot and should not babysit the region forever will have to sink in and an exit strategy that does not leave the entire area in flames and hating America/ embracing radical Islam must be enacted.

Spud's opinion.

Wot say you?

Be Well.

Well now you can include Obama in that circle of mistakes since he is the POTUS now and the bombings are under his orders.

Meanwhile, back at Drone Headquarters, colonel 38756 is awarding a medal to our latest hero, Drone 39b.

Colonel; 39b, you have shown execptional bravado in the face of no danger. You have killed many humans, uh, i mean enemies. good work. I present you now with this Deluxe processor cooling fan. May you live to kill everyone, uh, ur, i mean always.

39b; My circuits are wired to serve. Plus I just love killing. All day, all night, kill, kill, kill. I never felt better since I got that Dick Cheney chip installed. I must be off, I saw an Arab with a family, it's a 4 for one special.

Just take their money and tech.

#83 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-01-23 06:26 PM | Reply

As I said a week ago, Pakistan (like all Muslims) have nothing creative or useful. All you can do is steal from the West. Left to your own, you'd be cutting off the head of a goat to play soccer.

Oh, wait, that is how you play soccer.

And be serious, would a true God choose a shithole like yours as his 'paradise?'

Wot say you?

Be Well.

#86 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-01-23 06:49 PM | Reply

Are you still here?

OBAMA THE BABY KILLER! OBAMA THE MURDERER OF CIVILIANS! YOU LIBS HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS! WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD! WILL YOU COWARDS CONTINUE TO LIE AND TELL PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE FROM CANADA AND NOT AMERICA WHEN YOU TRAVEL OVERSEAS???

Zardari is a piece of shit pussy. Musharraf said it how it is.

the Special Forces on the ground directing those attacks

The only Special Forces on the ground directing those attacks are from Pakistan.

No American troops operate inside Pakistan or FATA.

All you can do is steal from the West.

Why re-invent the wheel when somebody is insisting they give it to you for free?

Vermin... you have no idea.

It is the same thing America did... Americans were too stupid to invent the nuke so they got most of the scientific brains and tech from Europe. LOL

No American troops operate inside Pakistan

And if you lose a tooth and put it under your pillow when you sleep, it gets replaced by money in the morning.

Zardari is a piece of shit pussy.

Right now, he seems to be a puppet. Somebody has him by the balls forcing him to do the right things.

But every now and then, he gets it wrong.

Left on his own, the man is totally useless.

And if you lose a tooth and put it under your pillow when you sleep, it gets replaced by money in the morning.

Americans can hardly move out of their bases in Afghanistan. LOL

How are they going to sneak across the border to conduct operations? I know it makes you feel better if you imagine that Americans are in control of this or that... but no.. they are not.

I am telling you right now... with 200% certainty.. that Pakistani troops are giving targeting info to the drones from the ground.

The proof is whatever figures are released about who and how many died (mostly made up).. all those numbers come from "Pakistani officials".

In fact, in at least a dozen missions that I know of, Predators were flown by Pak pilots (learning program for transfer of technology). For as long as the Predator base was located in Pakistan (no longer), Pakistan had over-ride control. One mission was called off at the last minute because that over-ride was exercised.

I'm angry that the money I sent to Sally Struthers didn't go to buy more books for the goat-fucking wankers I thought I was helping.

All those billions and billions Pakistan got out of the stupid American tax-payer..... LOL

And no, I can guarantee Obama won't change that.

In fact he has sanctioned another $15 Billion for Pak. hahahahahahahahahaha

You guys have noooo idea.

100!

Yay

I am telling you right now... with 200% certainty.. that Pakistani troops are giving targeting info to the drones from the ground.

And I'm telling you right now...with 200% certainty...that American troops are operating inside your borders.

Pretty much as we please.

Its OK to be a weak, third world nation.

Just do as you're told and we'll take care of you.

You're welcome.

Arabs (not Pakistanis usually) get blown up by drones (ours or American).

Sometimes only an empty house gets blown up. (we say however that "so and so died")

In return for that, Pakistan gets:

1. Billions and billions in funds

2. Free access to American equipment and technology which we have reverse engineered.

3. Free access to American ops and planning methods (something we are familiar with already)

4. Political and diplomatic support for Pakistan in international matters, specially against India.

All that so a few foreign al-Qaeda die? I think it is an excellent bargain.

The only ones who REALLY suffer in all this, are the American tax-payers and their economy.

Screw them.

gang-fuck livestock

Must you talk shop?

Americans are regularly conducting patrols on your border

Nope. LOL

So I do what I can.

As if you have any other choice.... Of course you do all you can. LOL

that American troops are operating inside your borders.

Source?

Well?

I didn't think so.

ts OK to be a weak, third world nation.

Yes, yes... we need help from our American buddies, pronto.

Please send more Billions to this address.... LOL

Americans were too stupid

Did you know that roughly 60% of Pakistan's adult population is incapable of reading the written word?

That's something to think about as you assign adjectives to describe your intellectual, economic, military, and racial superiors.

It'll go a long ways towards determining how seriously you need to be taken.

www.nytimes.com

The Taliban are everywhere the soldiers are not, the saying goes in the southern part of the country.

And that is a lot of places.

For starters, there is the 550 miles of border with Pakistan, where the Taliban's busiest infiltration routes lie.

"We're not there," said Brig. Gen. John W. Nicholson, the deputy commander of NATO forces in southern Afghanistan. "The borders are wide open."

Then there is the 100-mile stretch of Helmand River running south from the town of Garmser, where the Taliban and their money crop, poppy, bloom in isolation.

"No one," General Nicholson said, pointing to the area on the map.

Then there is Nimroz Province, all of it, which borders Iran. No troops there. And the Ghorak district northwest of Kandahar, which officers refer to as the "jet stream" for the Taliban fighters who flow through.

Ditto the districts of Shah Wali Kot, Kharkrez and Nesh, where the presence of NATO troops is minimal or nil.

"We don't have enough forces to secure the population," General Nicholson said.

Did you know that roughly 60% of Pakistan's adult population is incapable of reading the written word?

No... Pakistan has 40, 45 per cent people who can't read (same as India).

America has 25%.

Real difference is, Americans read comic books and the rest of the world reads real books. LOL

Because doing so is congruent with our interests right now.

Yes, it is. And it will continue to be, like it or not.

Make sure the check doesn't bounce. LOL

we haven't yet assigned the man-power to be present in significant numbers

It is going to take how many more years for you to get the man-power? hahahahahahahaha

It hasn't happened yet.

How much longer?

You understand the difference between:

Americans can hardly move out of their bases in Afghanistan

and simply not having enough resources allocated to the frontier?

It seems you don't understand the mind of the Afghan guerrillas. Hardly surprising....

They are not like Iraq. They will match you until you tire.

If you get more troops... they will match those numbers again. They pace themselves for the long haul.

Anyway... Americans don't have the man-power or the smarts to finish this. They are trained wrong for this sort of thing (read the article..).

How much longer?

It doesn't matter.

My point is made.

Americans are regularly conducting patrols on your border---close enough to see your "army" gang-fuck livestock from mountaintops.

And they're also operating inside you borders---at will.

The relationship between the U.S. and Pakistan is that of a master and servant.

I am the master.

You are the servant.

Your government does what my government tells you to do.

Its obvious (and, frankly, amusing) that plays hell with your ego.

Just fuck yer goats and be cool, Caveman.

We'll take care of you. :)

Americans don't have the man-power or the smarts to finish this.

Did you know that roughly 60% of Pakistan's adult population is incapable of reading the written word?

That's something to think about as you assign adjectives to describe your intellectual, economic, military, and racial superiors.

It'll go a long ways towards determining how seriously you need to be taken.

And they're also operating inside you borders---at will.

Evidence please? Your NATO guy sez, his pants are around his knees. Read the article.


You are the servant.

Tch tch tch...

Well, the servant is draining you dry. LOL

As for the drones... you should be asking yourself, "WHOSE drones"? LOL
-Tosser

It certainly wasn't the Borg... so Zardari (or someone who has him by the short hairs?) has secretly procured drones and is using them to attack targets inside of Pakistan? Are you saying the Pakistanis designed and built their own drones, or bought them from Americans? It wouldn't surprise me if the US military gave Pakistan some predators- I'd be more surprised if they didn't include stuff like that as part of the 15 billion. Killer robots are as good as cash. Hell, they're probably worth more now since the dollar has taken a hit. Pakistan might have even built their own drones, but the costs for independent R+D would take a big bite out of the Pakistani military budget. The thing I'm not clear on is why the secrecy is necessary. Your Pakistani admin still won't let me register and ask some people on that forum you were talking about...

Each time the Pakistani government used the drones, they've blamed the attacks on the Americans. America may be willing to take the blame, provided they're getting something out of it, but would the Pakistani government not suffer by appearing unable or unwilling to secure its own borders after publicly protesting the airstrikes?

Is the Pakistani government going to suffer public backlash if it came out that they had been killing their own with drones? More than by appearing to indulge America in violations of its territory?

Does Pakistan want to keep it on the d/l because of the potential to use drones against India? I would think their government would want to demonstrate that they were taking measures to attack terrorists, if for no other reason than to appear to be addressing the Pakistani origin of the 26/11 attacks.

Why are you repeating your posts? (117)

Nothing new to add? hahahahahahaha

Loser!

I just noticed this...

America has 25%.

America has a 25% illiteracy rate?

LOL.

You dumbshit.

Why are you repeating your posts?

Because you haven't yet absorbed the information therein.

Loser!

Hey...

At least foreign armies don't operate with at will inside my borders and drop ordinance on my illiterate fellow citizens....

Are you saying the Pakistanis designed and built their own drones

We have been doing that for the last 20 years.

The new thing... which we learnt from the Americans... is the idea that drones can carry weapons. Heavy upgrades to flight controls are required to mate weapons to platforms. Ordinary spy drones can't do that.

if the US military gave Pakistan some predators

Only the training and some looks at the tech. It was more than enough.

Pakistan might have even built their own drones, but the costs for independent R+D would take a big bite out of the Pakistani military budget.

Yep. You got it.

but would the Pakistani government not suffer by appearing unable or unwilling to secure its own borders

Calculated risk.

Besides, Zardari is a puppet and is expendable politically.

they had been killing their own

Mostly foreigners (arab fighters and uzbeks), not locals, are being targeted by the drones.

America may be willing to take the blame, provided they're getting something out of it

They are getting ALL their supplies from Pakistan.

So they are getting something out of it.

if for no other reason than to appear to be addressing the Pakistani origin of the 26/11 attacks.

India's concerns are not going to be addressed.

Your Pakistani admin still won't let me register and ask some people on that forum you were talking about...

Give it time and keep trying.

"No... Pakistan has 40, 45 per cent people who can't read (same as India).

America has 25%.

Real difference is, Americans read comic books and the rest of the world reads real books. LOL"

Wrong, tosser.

India kicks your ass as usual.

No wonder Pakistan is such a shithole.

www.cia.gov

It seems you don't understand the mind of the Afghan guerrillas. Hardly surprising....

They are not like Iraq. They will match you until you tire.

If you get more troops... they will match those numbers again. They pace themselves for the long haul.

That is the problem of dealing with a home-grown insurgency rather than an influx of foreign fighters. What every previous occupying power in Afghanistan failed to do, and what the US failed to do in Vietnam or Latin America, is to give the local population something to lose if the insurgents prevail. Forcibly occupying an undeveloped nation ruled by coalitions of tribes or guerilla factions gives armed parties a common enemy that they can be united against, and it divides the population along pre-existing lines. Rebuilding Afghanistan- creating a society whose destruction would threaten all ethnic groups, is a prerequisite for driving out militants. Unfortunately, the US-USSR proxy war and the civil war the followed left little to rebuild and reinforced the tribalism that hinders the establishment of a successful state there. There has to be a more intelligent strategy than the brute-force approaches which fail so spectacularly.

Anyway... Americans don't have the man-power or the smarts to finish this. They are trained wrong for this sort of thing (read the article..).

Which is why we rely on surrogates, which is why things get shitty. Like I said before, it just gives immediately useful factions in long-standing conflicts a wealthy, well-armed patron (until they outlive their usefulness). Not proactive at all.

Give it time and keep trying.

There's only so many abacuses....

There has to be a more intelligent strategy than the brute-force approaches which fail so spectacularly.

Yep, you got it.

As for the strategy, you can start by getting rid of "president" Karsick and his family of drug-lords and weapon-smugglers.

He has done far more damage to you than any Taliban could have ever done. LOL

Zardari is a puppet and is expendable politically.

In the same sense that a politician in America is expendable because successors can carry on the general agenda and ideology of a party? Who has the power behind Zardari?

India kicks your ass as usual.

My father had the misfortune of being assigned as an Air Force advisor to that shithole Pakistan when Indira (a girl) was doing so.

As ususal.

"LOL"

Who has the power behind Zardari?

I'd tell ya, but then I'd have ta kill ya.

Actually, nobody knows the actual chain of command. It keeps changing for different needs and seems to be very fluid.

For the economy, Zaradri is in charge, it seems, for example.

My father had the misfortune

Oh, you knew your father? LOL

Oh, you knew your father?

Oh, yes.

It's easier than you think---when they don't spend all their time browsing shrubbery and saying "baaaaa".

OK.. at least you got a FF for that one. LOL

Question:

why do the taliban screw sheep on cliffs?

answer:

They push back harder!

why do the taliban screw sheep

Did you know many of them are gay-bi?

Bet you didn't know THAT.

Afghans are into homosexing big time.

Pakistan gets:
1. Billions and billions in funds
2. Free access to American equipment and technology which we have reverse engineered.
3. Free access to American ops and planning methods (something we are familiar with already)
4. Political and diplomatic support for Pakistan in international matters, specially against India.

All that so a few foreign al-Qaeda die? I think it is an excellent bargain.

The only ones who REALLY suffer in all this, are the American tax-payers and their economy.

Screw them.


The American taxpayer has already been thoroughly screwed by Iraq, and we're perfectly capable of fucking up our own economy, thank you. Killing terrorists with expensive weapons is indeed a good bargain- as long as you can keep new ones from filling the ranks and avoid making new problems for yourself in the future.

As far as malice toward American taxpayers goes, the Pakistani government realizes it shouldn't exploit its relationship with America too heavily. I have no doubt that there is prolific waste included in the resources that have been sent to Pakistan. It isn't any different in any of the military's other projects. A cost of doing business, so to speak.

America is perfectly content to ride the fence on India and Pakistan, manipulating and profiting off of both. My concern is that American companies and policymakers will spend so much time meddling that they will fuel future conflicts.

Did you know many of them are gay-bi?

Bet you didn't know THAT.

Still, I think most GLBT people tend to keep it within the species. I can see the gay/bi, but do they really nail animals? Bestiality seems like a sure way to get stoned (really stoned) under the Taliban.

Zombiehunter: sheep are the females of the species and rams are males. The taliban, like most moslems are definitely hetero. They would only screw sheep. You need to get your facts straight. Remember that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told us that the gay phenomenon is unknown in Iran. And the Paki's are no difference. Geez dude, how insulting can you be?

"US drones kill 14"

I suppose we will get accustomed to that headline ....

NO more prisoners - - - the new sheriff is closing the jail presumably because killin' 'em is more humane than jailing 'em??

do they really nail animals?

Yes. I've heard of it. More than once.

The American taxpayer has already been thoroughly screwed by Iraq, and we're perfectly capable of fucking up our own economy, thank you.

The American tax-payer has been more than happy to accommodate a super-leech like Isreal... I am sure giving billions to Pak won't be seen as a problem. What is one more leech?

Read this thread.

The good, the bad and the ugly taliban.

What are the differences between them?

forum.pakistanidefence.com

The American tax-payer has been more than happy to accommodate a super-leech like Isreal... I am sure giving billions to Pak won't be seen as a problem. What is one more leech?

I'm not a big fan of leech therapy, it seems a little Medieval.

The good, the bad and the ugly taliban.
What are the differences between them?

It looks like it matters a lot who you ask. From my perspective, none of them sound too good. Some uglier than others. And no matter which one of the posters on that forum is correct, it sounds like some nasty folks have their claws sunk deep into Pakistan.

an amusing exchange between tosser and j.s. mao.
tosser spends an inordinate amount of time wanking at the apparition of an american strategic defeat in the 'ghan. what he fails to realise is that the victory he gloats is impending, will have far more devestating consequences for pakistan.
of interest to note is that tosser consistently denigrates karzai and famille. i wonder if it is because karzai has often and loudly fingered pakistan as being an active participant in subverting coalition efforts in the 'ghan. it's not on to have one's national honour and character shredded by someone(the afghans) you consider your inferior.
at this moment in time, i'd keep on droning, to rawalpindi and islamabad if necessary. the pakistanis will keep gaming the system (ie keep formenting, training, equipping, radicalising and re-inserting'ramasheepullah' back to afghanistan whenever the $ spigot dries up or the US wants to get tough).
it's nationalist, wounded pride b.s that makes tosser assert that pakistan has operational control over US drones. the subtext of tosser's glee seems to be that the pakistani's are fiendishly clever and the yanks are naive bumblers. whatever makes you feel better i'd say.
it's inconceivable that the US would subvert it's anti-terror operations to such a deeply compromised 'partner'. they would'nt even do that with their NATO allies and their sorry arse record in afghanistan.
as to the tech transfer? armed drones are only effective in such operations if you have total air superiority. pakistan will not enjoy air superiority in any future conflict with India(or any other tactical advantage except perhaps in AW/UW because they have a sympathetic and restless muslim Indian population and they've had years of experience in kashmir and afghanistan). so not much use there. and don't forget, tech transfer works both ways. the more we give you and see how quickly/otherwise you operationalise it, the more we learn about your military command and control systems, your logistics, your TTPs etc. we could probably view your entire operations in realtime by sigint intercepts of your drones. doubt the reverse is true. and btw, how about we have an open information pathway with India about the capabilities or otherwise of your military?
hope your ego is'nt too bruised and battered by now.
in summary, 'yiz divinnt knaa NOWT abot nowt. you's a gob-shite git. it wor problem. lerrit gan. gorrit?'

From my perspective, none of them sound too good.

None of them are nice, true. But some are good tools.

Tunde... the poor punctuation, poor spelling and rubbish posts, are all familiar.

Do I know you?

Tosser

I read from other sources that since Musharraf left, American strategy is designed to divide Pakistan through civil conflict and tensions with India. Friends of the US government can quickly become enemies as Saddam Hussein learned.

I think you are in for some hard times in your country.

American strategy is designed to divide Pakistan through civil conflict and tensions with India.

Yes, many say that.

The US plays this opportunistic game (even with it's pals). If it works, great. If it doesn't... well, that's ok too... on to plan-B.

One thing about America is that it always has a Plan-B.

I think you are in for some hard times in your country.

Possibly.

wind ya neck in mate.
i would'nt go about slagging off the citizens of a nation that subsidizes the existence of yours. the truth is that no one would give a toss(about pakistan) if it was'nt for them nukes you have. b/c what do you 'cants' have to offer? madrassahs, opium, MC hammer trousers and an uncanny ability to plant bombs targetting women and children, eh?
spell-check that you gobby poofter.

of a nation that subsidizes the existence of yours.

Just like China subsidizes the existence of America? hahahahahaha

Look who is talking. It's only Chinese money that is coming back to us.

Anywho... your incoherent posts are familiar...

I never forget an idiot, and I don't want to start now.

American strategy is designed to divide Pakistan

Here you go mate. Da Plan!

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Tell me what you think.

I think somebody stole Brzezinski's playbook. Some observations:
Karzai is now on the American shit list.
With Iraq under control, Obama looks to be setting his sights on a buildup in Afganistan.
The drop in oil prices has weakened Russia and the Arab oil states, including and especially Iran.
China has a Hobson's choice to either continue to buy American debt or hyperinflate. The new Treasury Secretary Geitner is accusing China of manipulating its currency, a warning of curtailing trade with China.
Hamas has been rendered ineffective for the short term. Syria could be next. Then Lebanon.
All this is designed to isolate Iran before going for its jugular.
Russia's retaliation against Georgia was a setback.

Will it work? A major war in the ME is a real possibility. But the US would lose. The collapse of the American and English economies could have the effect of undercutting the financing of the military empire and aborting a major war. I'm hoping for the latter scenario. A major war in the ME would surely bring martial law here.

A major war in the ME would surely bring martial law here.

Yeah.. the thought crossed my mind as well.

Tell me what you think.

#157 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-01-24 09:16 AM | Reply

I think a bunch of towelhead goat fuckers can't make a bowl of rice WITHOUT American instructions

No American troops operate inside Pakistan-Tosser

And just how in the fuck do you know that? You have no idea if some of our special forces units are conducting operations inside Pakistan. You have absolutely no way of knowing this.

You pretend to know so much about what is going on in your shit hole of a country, yet you know about as much as anyone else may know, which is very little.

Vermin... if we meet in this life, I will prepare rice however you say provided I get to feed it up your bum.

Then if you don't like it, we can cook it my way.

You have no idea if some of our special forces units are conducting operations inside Pakistan.

If that is how you feel, prove it.

I do have connections to people who keep an eye on such things.

And no. There are no US "special" forces inside Pakistan's tribal areas.

But go ahead. Prove me wrong.

"No American troops operate inside Pakistan-Tosser

And just how in the fuck do you know that? You have no idea if some of our special forces units are conducting operations inside Pakistan. You have absolutely no way of knowing this. '

Well, if he is with the Paki secret service, he will definitely know. But since he only reads the press, you may be right.

First:

Tell me what you think.

#157 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-01-24 09:16 AM | Reply

I think a bunch of towelhead goat fuckers can't make a bowl of rice WITHOUT American instructions

#160 | Posted by vernon at 2009-01-24 01:12 PM

Then:
Vermin... if we meet in this life, I will prepare rice however you say provided I get to feed it up your bum.

Then if you don't like it, we can cook it my way.

#162 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-01-24 01:24 PM

Flag: Mixed feelings...

... like watching your mother-in-law drive off a cliff... in your brand-new Mercedes-Benz.

Hans

Well, if he is with the Paki secret service

Would I tell you if I was a spy? LOL

"Would I tell you if I was a spy? LOL"

If you did, I'd have to shoot you. LOL

If you did, I'd have to shoot you.

SMERSH (death to spies), Sovietski counter intelligence, known for successful assassinations of spies and dissidents.

Oh dear me.

Pakistan-America Theme song:

www.youtube.com

Taliban Theme-song mocking America:

www.youtube.com

SMERSH - no longer. Now they belong to the Dept. of Assistance to the Afterlife.

Just kids operating video games will become the new war???

Well, we should win for sure with the way kids lay around with their faces in the box nowadays.

You like to think that Obama is seeing the really juicy intel that the evil Bush kept from us & is thinking to himself, "Damn, it sucks but I just may have to keep killing these people to protect the American people" but I'm not so optimistic on that. And if Bin Laden wants to negotiate with BO, that means he senses weakness because religious zealots don't negotiate. Shark sniffing blood is the apt description.

More spy drones....

forum.pakistanidefence.com

theasiandefence.blogspot.com

Obama stated that if there was verified Al Qaeda activity and Pakistan would not act, then he would. McCain criticized Obama on that, so if McCain had won these attacks would not occur. What are you people saying, don't go after terrorists? Obama said he would!

if McCain had won these attacks would not occur

Actually they would still occur because they have nothing at all to do with "getting Bin Ladin". They are only designed to terrorize the terrorists and make them scatter, the idea being, that if a significant percentage of them get angry enough and move back into Afghanistan, they can be killed by the US military. (that is what often happens)

Obama was talking about "getting Bin Ladin", which the drones can never do. Wrong tool.

it seems "al qaeda" is flustered by Obama as Obama appears popular in the mid-east, they have started a major "hate Obama" campaign and it is not been succesful:
www.washingtonpost.com

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