This is the Thread where the Wingnut RTards come out and sound Just Like The Terrorists!

Man, this guy moves fast.

They will show their Common Values with those who think Terror works Better than The Rule of Law!

"Obama Orders Closure of Gitmo, Bans Torture"

B-b-b-b-but both parties are the same!

Sincerely,
The Losertarian Party

I think it is great, Now I can just sit back and wait for the 'Poor oppressed terrorist" to seek out and destroy the bastions of liberalism. New York City, Washington D.C. Los Angeles..It is funny because Libs think if were are nice to them maybe they will only blow up the RNC headquarters in Topeka, Kansas. So NO Torutre and Close Gitmo and when the Jihadist Nuke all the Dems Voters, then We right wing nuts can win a few blue states, (or what is left of them)

Man, this guy moves fast.

~SLBronkowitz

Agreed. Obama "hit the ground running".

It is funny because Libs think if were are nice to them maybe they will only blow up the RNC headquarters in Topeka, Kansas.

~HBJ

No, what's funny is you being stupid enough to believe that Libs believe that.

What is sad is you believing that torturing people is a means to any kind of a desirable end.

"And we're gonna keep on bombing you until you stop hating us" is the Rtard creed.

Thanx the stars you idiots are out of power.

Be Well.

B-b-b-b-but both parties are the same!

Sincerely,
The Losertarian Party

#4 | Posted by nullifidian

LOL. Yes, you are correct the "equivilancy" argument is right out the window.

Somewhere in between the under-informed propagandised sheeple and the over-informed overly cynical folk like Ray there exists those with both enuff knowledge to understand the problems that exist and enough optimism to try and do something about them even if it's just to progress the national dialogue.

Be Well.

I'm going to say this now and get it out of the way.

It is a sad fucking day when the President of the United States of America has to come out and say "I am ordering a stop to torture".

Thank you Mr. President.

"It is a sad fucking day when the President of the United States of America has to come out and say "I am ordering a stop to torture"."

Needed repeating.

Thank you, Axiom.

Hans

B-b-b-b-but both parties are the same!

Sincerely,
The Losertarian Party

Would figure that a no-count such as yourself would not manage to address the topic of the thread. Opting, instead, to go after a political party.

Both parties are in the pockets of corporate interests. A look at the donor list for both McCain and Obama will show you who's in their pockets.

That doesn't mean that they can't make a wise decision on occasion.

"This is the Thread where the Wingnut RTards come out and sound Just Like The Terrorists!" #1 | Posted by Redneckville

Maybe stirring the shit up and making it so easy to respond is the real reason. "Sound just like the terrorists"? I noticed you capitalized the word terrorist so you give terrorists importance. And you relate "harmless" terrorists as nothing more dangerous than those "Wingnut RTards" you really despise. Better drink another pitcher of Kool-Aid.

Excuse me for "sounding Just Like The Terrorists"!

Wow, a government employee who actually does something.

#6 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-01-22 07:26 PM

What is sad is you believing that torturing people is a means to any kind of a desirable end.

Well, apparently not for terrorists sympathizers. Ask "deth" where he stands, and he stands foursquare with "feeling" sympathy and empathy for terrorists, and their plight after they are apprehended. Such concerns for "deth," override the value of reducing their ability to perpetrate the harm they intend to cause.

"And we're gonna keep on bombing you until you stop hating us" is the Rtard creed.

Thanx the stars you idiots are out of power.

Wait until B.O. finds out how many of these animals are released for not being read their Miranda Rights. Fucking Idiot.

And the republicans have begun making a bill to stop this.

Wait until B.O. finds out how many of these animals are released for not being read their Miranda Rights. Fucking Idiot.

Well, maybe they should have been read their rights!

BUSH HAS RELEASED 248 TERRERISTS FROM GITMO.........
........unguilty terrerists.............GOD AM I GLAD THAT LIB IS GONE!!!!!!

Well, maybe they should have been read their rights!

#16 | Posted by roman

Take it up with the Military. Good thing we didn't ask the Brave Men who fought in WWII to do it. I'm sure you are a student of History.

Or from France...

Or from France...

#19 | Posted by wisgod

......ARE YOU A CONEHEAD OR A POODLE??????...........
/////

Let's see. Is securing information that prevents the deaths of innocents by terrorists a desirable end?

Ah, the old Alan Dershowitx "ticking time bomb" scenario.

It's bullshit.

And in answer to your question no that still doesn't justify torture cos torture is unjustifiable.

More to the point, the scenario you envision has never occured and is likely to never occur.

While torture may break people and get them to reveal previously unaccessable data the real reason for state sponsored terrorism (which is what torture is, btw) is to crush the spirit of a people to enable a government to run roughshod over them.

It actually works to a limited extent in the short term but in the long term it is always rejected.

Why is Spud completely unsurprised that our resident racist is also an apologist for terrorism?

Be Well.

......ARE YOU A CONEHEAD OR A POODLE??????...........
/////

#20 | Posted by BushLoverToo

Are you a coward, Slim? Welcome aboard, retard.

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Notice it says "No person" not no citizen.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Notice again "all criminal prosecutions"

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Unusual punishment?

wISgod

ha ha!!!! ............. ya IM A RETARD LIKE YOU.........
............we shuld hang out.........I AINT A LIB AND I DONT LIKE PEEPLE WHO ARNT WITE LIKE YOU DONT

hey....IM FROM HOUSTON.........ITS ME MAN!!!!!!!!!!

Take it up with the Military. Good thing we didn't ask the Brave Men who fought in WWII to do it. I'm sure you are a student of History.

What does WWII have to do with this....nothing.

Please stay focused at the issue at hand.

Coming to a Federal Penitentiary near you: 245 Muslim Terrorist Detainees!

Lessee, they could go to:
-FCC Allenwood, PA.
-USP Canaan, PA
-USP Lewisburg, PA
-FCC Petersburg, VA
-FCC Butner, NC
-FCC Coleman, FL
-FCC Forest City, AR
-USMC FP Springfield, MO
-FCC Terra Haute, IN
-FCC Florence, CO
-USP Leavenworth, KS
-USP Marion, IL
-FCC Victorville, CA
-FCC Lompoc, CA
-USP Atwater, CA

Good....these are mostly in Obama-won states, where they belong anyway. (Arkansas, Missouri, and Kansas were won by McCain.)

Please stay focused at the issue at hand.

#25 | Posted by roman

And Tried in a U.S. Court under U.S. laws? Are you speaking for Obama or just reading tea leaves? Miranda Rights...how do they play in any U.S. Court?

Dear Mr. President,

Thank you. Sincerely,

-American's who believe in the rule of law.

The least damning description of torturers I can come up with is "amoral sadists". This is after years of listening to the rationale for torture described by those who state they like it.

We won't miss it, and if you want to take torture with you as you move to Congo to study amputation of hands, we won't miss you.

Hallelujah!

"...we minimize (by torture) the harm these Islamic misfits can wreak on civilized people."

Name one "civilized" person alive today because we waterboarded the shit out of some poor bastard who had the misfortune to be captured on a battlefield. herm

When Dictator Manuel Noriega was found by our troops during the Panamanian conflict, he was hiding within a Papal Nuncio. We could not go in there to get him, so it took several days of rock & roll music played on loud speakers around the clock to finally get him to come out. Now it appears that no such music will be allowed under the new administration's Executive Order. No sir, no more Rock Around The Clock by Bill Haley and his Comets. In the future, when we trap an enemy, can we play softer songs? Since the new administration believes very much in diplomacy, I suggest the following song: "When somebody loves you, it's no good unless they love you, all the way. Happy to be near you, when you need someone to cheer you, come what may. Who knows where the road will lead us, only a fool can say. But if you are going to love me, it's for sure I'm going to love you, all the way, alllll, theeee, wayyyyyyyyyy." Not on loud speakers of course, but with soft, surround sound.

A few posters are making wild, crazy claims concerning the Obamaman doing nothing he said he would. Seems like that claim is crap too.

When Dictator Manuel Noriega was found by our troops during the Panamanian conflict, he was hiding within a Papal Nuncio. We could not go in there to get him, so it took several days of rock & roll music played on loud speakers around the clock to finally get him to come out. Now it appears that no such music will be allowed under the new administration's Executive Order. No sir, no more Rock Around The Clock by Bill Haley and his Comets. In the future, when we trap an enemy, can we play softer songs? Since the new administration believes very much in diplomacy, I suggest the following song: "When somebody loves you, it's no good unless they love you, all the way. Happy to be near you, when you need someone to cheer you, come what may. Who knows where the road will lead us, only a fool can say. But if you are going to love me, it's for sure I'm going to love you, all the way, alllll, theeee, wayyyyyyyyyy." Not on loud speakers of course, but with soft, surround sound.

#32 | Posted by MRRETALIATION

There is no comparison to a holed up un-captured fugative and an imprisoned man/woman in a small cell and being forced into painful positions. This is a barely disguised scare tactic kind of post. You are going to have to do a lot better than this weak kneed BS.

Keith-
I think the confusion arises here because "MRRETALIATION" is an idiot, but that's just my guess.

Me thinketh thou doth sayeth truthfully!

Where are they going to or put them?

And the torture shit is manure.

Given a hypothetical since libs love feelings--

If Obama is faced with the capture of someone who has vital information about an imminent threat to thousands of Americans who will die??

Do you honestly think that Obama won't order the waterboarding of said person?

Waterboarding is not torture--it takes less than 2 minutes. We have three reported cases including Kalid Mohammed--so friggin what...

What if YOUR family member--a loved one-- was kidnappped and you had a person who had the information on where they were--to save them from imminent death.

Would YOU say it was OK to waterboard the person for the information? To save your loved one?

Or to save thousands of Americans?

And our Enemies Cheered...

Murphy-
What if you based your intellectual life on reruns of "24"?

Oh...never mind. I think we all know what that would be like.

Murphy-
Have you heard of the Taguba Report?

The U.S. general who led the Army's investigation of the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal says the Bush administration "has committed war crimes" as a result of what happened to detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay "when the Commander-in-Chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture."

Murphy,

This is going to come as a real shock to you, so better sit down right now.

Okay?

"24" is a TELEVISION SHOW. It is ENTERTAINMENT. Things that happen on "24" are NOT REAL. The people on the show are ACTORS playing FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.
Jack Bauer is one of the gay guys that went to the Dominican Republic with Flush Rimjob that time Flush was caught with the illegal Viagra.

Got that?

There really has never been an incident of anyone being tortured giving information that prevented ANYTHING. That is called REAL LIFE. It is not the same as a FICTIONAL TELEVISION PROGRAM.

Now you can resume your delusion already in process.

Would YOU say it was OK to waterboard the person for the information? To save your loved one?

Because someone that's willing to die for their cause will cave in when tortured.

I think there's a name for that; tortured logic.

MURPHY-Torture has over the centuries, proven totally unreliable. Why bother if the information is suspect?

We will get no better than we give, or worse. Do you like the prospect of our GI's being captured and tortured? Although it is true that the Islamic solders and leaders aren't noted for kindness to POW.(of course many become MIA/KIA quickly)

It's already better even if it's not.
at least it seems like it.

Kucinich in 2012

It was a campaign promise to Bill Ayers. And a promise is a promise. Come on people what they did was so long ago Obama was only like 39 ish. Im sher they have repented by now.

You can have your opinion, we are americans after all but I think anyone who disagrees with the way Prsident Bush and our military has handled this issue since 9/11 should watch the footage of that day, talk with some of the victoms families about Gitmo and then rpost your opinion.

And Obama SAYING they must use the Army regulations on interigation was just another feel good speech for ya lefties speech. They allready use this as a guide line.

It looks good to say it will close a year from now. Let's see what happens when reality sets in. I can just see it, I kept my promise to close it, never mind the new camp we set up somewhere else to do the same thing.

This takes away one of the recruiting tools for terrorists.

But but but where will you put the terrorist?

The media

"This is no time for questions?"

Obama

And Obama SAYING they must use the Army regulations on interigation was just another feel good speech for ya lefties speech.

#46 | Posted by TH1inc_com at 2009-01-23 02:20 AM | Repl

I would say Obama said that as a signal tothe world that things are changing in America. Your hatred for half of America is sickening. You would be better off in your own country. There are 57 million who wanted more of Bush---that's a good start for a country. Check around--get the ball rolling. Maybe you can still get McCain as your President.

News flash
Now that the annoitment is over there is good news in 1 part of the economy. Coolade sales have sky rocketed by 69,456,897 million percent. Coincidently the same number of people that voted for Obama. Offcourse the numerous number of Micky mouse votes does not meen he has a sugar addiction.

Both comments could be true but since you are smarter than me because you voted for Obama i will bow to your brilliance.

But saying that he was sending a signal to the rest of the world. What message ? If you participate in terrorism fly a plane into a building and kill 2974 people " we will treet you with respect "

The article says that all interrogations must be conducted according to the Army Manual. That book includes 10 pages of classified rules on 'enhanced interrogation.'

The article says nothing specific about torture, what is permitted and what is not. So most likely it will still be possible to sprinkle water on someone's face.

So, it seems, this is a bunch of silly fluff to appease the Lefty idiots who want to project whatever they wish onto President Obama.

"24" is a TELEVISION SHOW. It is ENTERTAINMENT. Things that happen on "24" are NOT REAL. The people on the show are ACTORS playing FICTIONAL CHARACTERS.

#41 | Posted by axe at 2009-01-22 10:38 PM | Reply

Axe, sit down and take a deep breath. This will be a huge shock to you.

Murph said nothing about the TV show 24. That was your butt buddy BettleJuice.

Got that?

Now you can resume your idiotic delusions.

"...most likely it will still be possible to sprinkle water on someone's face"

#52 | Posted by vernon

"Now you can resume your idiotic delusions."

#53 | Posted by vernon

Vernon gettin' babtised?

"But saying that he was sending a signal to the rest of the world. What message ? If you participate in terrorism fly a plane into a building and kill 2974 people " we will treet you with respect "

No, the president understands that the rest of the world isn't quite as stupid as TH1INC. He knows most of the world will understand that this means we will still go after terrorists but we won't become like them while doing so. We will be the United STates of America again, something most righties seem to have disdain for, always yearning to torture and murder someone, whether they be Muslims or S. American peasants. Virtually every Republican administration since Nixon has conducted secret wars, with torture, murder, disappeared victims, etc. and all usually conducted to support dictators who oppress their people. Most Americans allowed Iran Contra to pass by unpunished and didn't even bother to look into the types of disgusting crimes that were committed, all those involved should have served very long prison sentences, if they had we would have avoided this past administration.

Man, this guy moves fast.

#2 | Posted by SLBronkowitz

Wait until it realy happens before you give him an atta-boy. And... lets see what he does with the residents there.

My bet is that there will be 8-12 Trials in 12 months and he'll claim the system moves to slow to get it closed. This is a very small bone he's throwing the Left.

Wait until it realy happens before you give him an atta-boy. And... lets see what he does with the residents there.
#56 | Posted by Sniper

I think the thread can begin and end with that statement.

"Wait until it realy happens before you give him an atta-boy."

The man did exactly what he said he was going to do in spite of all the righties whining all during the time between the election and ingauguration. I have no reason now to doubt that he will continue to do what he said he will do.

yes, let's just hope Obama follows through with this one year from now.

Just think of any super hero comic you read growing up or any super hero movie you've watched.

What's the first thing that happens when the super villan takes charge, he let's all the bad guys go and let's be honest, these guys at gitmo...they're not nice people...they are the scum of the scum and our new Prez is already closing down the asylum.

they are the scum of the scum and our new Prez is already closing down the asylum

I would really like to know how you KNOW they are the scum of the scum.

Don't throw out unknown crap if you want a little respect.

"What's the first thing that happens when the super villian takes charge...?"

I don't know about "super" villians. I know that ordinary villians begin to OPEN prisons when they have enough power.

Of course, I only read real news, not comic book news.

ROMAN, I can tell you, after years of bitter debate, that MIKEMCDON doesn't give one damn whether everyone or anyone in Gitmo is really a bad guy, or how bad of a guy.

That's just the side of things he's on. Don't ask him to explain it, he won't be able to.

"A senior White House source said the CIA will be allowed to continue these "renditions" but not to countries that torture and not to its own prisons. "

I kind of had a feeling there would be qualifiers to this. What is the point of continuing the "renditions" if they don't use harsher techniques? I thought that was the whole argument for rendition? Take them to a different country where they can get away with more then we could here.

I have a feeling little has changed here except the locations.

However, a Capitol Hill aide says that the administration also is planning a study of more aggressive interrogation methods that could be added to the Army manual which would create a significant loophole to Obama's action Thursday.

A poke in the eye to all of the right wing nuts who hate our way of life, our Constitution and the values that make America great.

Great job so far PRESIDENT OBAMA.

The renditions will continue, but in other locations, and water boarding will be replaced by ....

#67 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-01-23 10:11 AM | Reply |

Typical RCADE management. There was already a thread going about 'torture' but once it was obvious that President Obama was a weasel on it, RCADE deleted the thread.

Meanwhile, stupid threads with a handful of posts persist for days. They meet the RCADE seal of approval: "They agree with me.|"

to all posters

remember that me...the original bl2 actually was named bushlovertwo....and any other spelling of that such as bushluvertwo or bushlovertoo are people who are imposters. if you want to check look at old posts and look it up.

thank you

and dont forget the following

from the NY times so you know its true

obama has left the "jack bauer" option in according to them today............

so I WAS RIGHT in talking about the guest from the other day..or rather he was right.

Also

kaleed shari

released from gitmo..

now he is the number TWO man for alqaida in yemen

and is thought to be a part of the us embassy bombing in yemen

thank you liberal pricks

any blood there is on your hands.....

will there be more of these stories to come

and by the way...its from the wall street journal, not a fig newton of my imagination.

Well, given that we are totally responsible for terrorism & drive muslim extremeists to do what they do because of our evil ways, this should stop all global terrorism shouldn't it? I mean, they'll love us now won't they?

Sounds stupid because it IS!

no shit

and also from this morning news

south carolina is a place some might be heading
charleston to be exact and people there are supposed to be already getting pissed.
maybe they can put some of these terrorist bastards in a half way house in the neighborhood with the most obama signs in the front yard...

AND 68 are supposed to be BACK IN THE KILLING business of those who have been released but I am sure REAL soon we will read here that they are only doing that because we locked them up to begin with,,,,,BULLSHIT

liberal naivete will get people killed and it seems more likely now that this will come true.

AND FROM THE NEW YORK POST

TERRORISTS ARE NOT CHEERING..

wow..that has to fill us with confidence in barry

AND WASHINGTON POST SAYS

"this signals the end of bush's war on terror"

God help us all

Hmmmm....

"The unfine print of Mr. Obama's order is that he's allowed room for what might be called a Jack Bauer exception. It creates a committee to study whether the Field Manual techniques are too limiting "when employed by departments or agencies outside the military." The Attorney General, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Director of National Intelligence-designate Dennis Blair will report back and offer "additional or different guidance for other departments or agencies."

In other words, Mr. Obama's Inaugural line that "we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals" was itself misrepresenting the choices his predecessor was forced to make. At least President Bush was candid about the practical realities of preventing mass casualties in the U.S."

yes at least he was that wasnt he

and look also at the report about politico.com

barry told them that they couldnt ask questions the other day

wow....thats some real transparency there isnt it????????

All the loopholes are disheartening, though not unexpected. I think Obama just wants to remove the symbolism of it while at the same time realizing these types of tactics weren't invented by the Bush Administration and may actually be necessary. I seriously doubt anything has actually changed here, but hey if it improves our standing with the world community while at the same time doesn't put us at risk then its win/win right?

exactly, its purely symbolic. one of a few smart moves by the new prez.

BUT GREEN

check out the story from the wall street journal

releasing them prematurely may have already been a part of the us embassy bombing in yemen......

and I agree that many libs want this to happen for PR reasons and because it makes them feel good

and also remember as I heard this morning from an ex JAG on cspan...

its because of abu grave that gitmo is really a problem in the world community

or rather that it made matters even worse to be fair...

AND I really think there is commone ground here between our sides

KEEP IT OPEN but its probably time to give them a trial and remember that we havent because of the information coming out in those trials might jeopardize the lives of the people who are in the field and who helped the 43rd president of the USA keep us FROM ATTACKS ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE 9/11

I think my posting on the Retort has kept us safe FROM ATTACKS ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE 9/11. I know this to be true because we have not had a single attack on American soil since I started blogging.

To "this signals the end of bush's war on terror" the formerly BLT appends "God help us all."

I'd guess She's secretly pleased as She does not dig grown men killing each other about what Her name is. Last I read God was no big fan of Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and torture. herm

Last I read G-d was no big fan of Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and torture. herm

Posted by herm at 2009-01-23 11:43 AM

I take the Roger Waters view of What G-d Wants.

What G-d wants God gets
G-d wants boarders
G-d wants crack
G-d wants rainfall
G-d wants wetbacks
What G-d wants G-d gets
G-d wants voodoo
G-d wants shrines
G-d wants law
G-d wants organised crime
G-d wants crusade
G-d wants jihad
G-d wants good
G-d wants bad
What G-d wants G-d gets

"releasing them prematurely may have already been a part of the us embassy bombing in yemen......"

You'll see on the Olbermann thread that some partisan named Zap was trying to hammer me for saying that I don't think they should be released if they pose a national security threat even if that means holding them without trial. He got all self righteous about Habeas Corpus saying Khalid Sheikh Mohammed should be released. I may not have liked Bush, but I'm not willing to release the man responsible for the 9/11 attacks just to spite the former President.

I think my posting on the Retort has kept us safe FROM ATTACKS ON AMERICAN SOIL SINCE 9/11. I know this to be true because we have not had a single attack on American soil since I started blogging.

#83 | Posted by kanrei at

well I think I have been here longer than you have so I guess that means that I caused 9/11

"All the loopholes are disheartening, though not unexpected. I think Obama just wants to remove the symbolism of it while at the same time realizing these types of tactics weren't invented by the Bush Administration and may actually be necessary. I seriously doubt anything has actually changed here, but hey if it improves our standing with the world community while at the same time doesn't put us at risk then its win/win right?"

#79 | Posted by GreenDad

Good point.

It also seems to have the effect of relieving some of the faux outrage on this very forum.

well I think I have been here longer than you have so I guess that means that I caused 9/11

#87 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-01-23 11:51 AM |

KANREI
Seniority: 28
Joined 2005/05/24

Don't think you were here first, but I will agree with you that you CAUSED 9/11 if that will make you happy =P

To "this signals the end of bush's war on terror" the formerly BLT appends "God help us all."

I'd guess She's secretly pleased as She does not dig grown men killing each other about what Her name is. Last I read God was no big fan of Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib and torture. herm

#84 | Posted by herm

OH>...SHE"S ....God is a woman now?? good line..

but there is littledoubt that obama has weakened us with just this order

and it reminds me of a caller to cspan this morning about 6 am

he said that we should turn this over to the UN

NOW THAT would be the wrong thing to do.....

can you imagine how fast they would be released if we did turn them over to the un

there might even be some commie pinko reds here who wouldnt go for that....

actually kanrei

we joined almost at the same time and I see that your sense of humor hasnt grown either...LOL

I may not have liked Bush, but I'm not willing to release the man responsible for the 9/11 attacks just to spite the former President.

#86 | Posted by GreenDad

I heard Obama himself categorize the Gitmo detainees in 3 categories...

... Those who could potentially be sent to other countries, those who could be put on trial in the judicial system, and those who were too dangerous to release... period.

and the date for mine is when I signed in as bushlovertwo after an abscense..
I was bushlover for some time before that...

just to set the record straight.....

It also seems to have the effect of relieving some of the faux outrage on this very forum.

#88 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-01-23 11:52 AM

Not to mention the Administration...

However, a Capitol Hill aide says that the administration also is planning a study of more aggressive interrogation methods that could be added to the Army manual which would create a significant loophole to Obama's action Thursday.

AFKABL2,

I see that your sense of humor hasnt grown either...

Only when something is funny =P

just to set the record straight.....

#93 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-01-23 11:58 AM

Yeah I know. I was Kanrei long before making it offical here too. I have been here since about 2002 I would say. I remember fighting before going to war in Iraq at this site, but my offical date is when RCADE made us sign in offically.

"Those who could potentially be sent to other countries, those who could be put on trial in the judicial system, and those who were too dangerous to release... period.

#92 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue"

Its the "sent to other countries" category that worries me. even if they are put on trial and imprisoned you never know when they are going to be released because some Mullah says Allah wants him free.

I assume that category was probably for the least dangerous of the bunch... you know, like chauffeurs and and kids who were 14-15 when they were detained.

"kids who were 14-15 when they were detained."

You are referring to the canadian kid who killed an American soldier? No. He stays in custody or goes to an American jail. I'll be pretty darn at Obama if he gets sent back. Old enough to get in a fire fight throwing grenades and killing Americans, old enough to pay the price in an American judicial system.

"I'll be pretty darn at Obama"

Pissed at Obama that is

Yeah I know. I was Kanrei long before making it offical here too. I have been here since about 2002 I would say. I remember fighting before going to war in Iraq at this site, but my offical date is when RCADE made us sign in offically.

#96 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-

okay so we are both old farts.....lol

Some posters claim that any results justify the means. But what if you were an innocent that got "questioned" and of course dismissed any concerns because it is worth it?

As long as its them and not me isn't really going to cut it. You need to be willing to have the "question" put to you. You may recognize the way the previous sentence was phrased and think about that.

what acts of "torture" were committed that wasnt viewed by members of the dem party on trips to GITMO? remember if it is in the army field manual it isnt torture, so will "O" have it rewritten to include waterboarding?

Some of the posters on the DR have reduced each point into "righties vrs. lefties and vice versa. There just may be other view points that don't fit your personal model. However, they still call it one way or the other-black and white or white and black.

Shades of gray are all over the place. ???

okay so we are both old farts.....lol

#101 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-01-23 12:14 PM |

Yup, and it also proves that, given enough time together, anyone can become friends. We used to fight daily.

Some of the posters on the DR have reduced each point into "righties vrs. lefties and vice versa. There just may be other view points that don't fit your personal model. However, they still call it one way or the other-black and white or white and black.

Shades of gray are all over the place. ???

Yet those on the left refuse to blame their own. Right Keith? It was ALL Bush and Company even though everyone of the political Chairs and ranking members from both sides were informed. Hell some actually wanted harsher methods.

BEIRUT: The emergence of a former Guantnamo Bay detainee as the deputy leader of Al Qaeda's Yemeni branch has underscored the potential complications in carrying out the executive order that President Barack Obama signed that the detention center be shut down within a year.

dethspud

what i believe is libs would rather take a chance on american cities bein nuked than hurtin some maybe terrorist feelin's-most of these guys come from countries where the police would wire their nuts to get
a confession
jasman

Hurting feelings?

These guys dont mind blowing themselves to bits as martyrs. What makes you think they're going to tell the truth from torture?

"what acts of "torture" were committed that wasnt viewed by members of the dem party on trips to GITMO? remember if it is in the army field manual it isnt torture, so will "O" have it rewritten to include waterboarding?"

#103 | Posted by scooter28054

It's a possibility. Hell according to the article they're considering adding some "aggressive" interrogation techniques to it, maybe they'll just toss in water boarding as well.

However, a Capitol Hill aide says that the administration also is planning a study of more aggressive interrogation methods that could be added to the Army manual which would create a significant loophole to Obama's action Thursday.

"doesn't won't"

...oops...

Well.... sort of.....

Yet those on the left refuse to blame their own. Right Keith? It was ALL Bush and Company even though everyone of the political Chairs and ranking members from both sides were informed. Hell some actually wanted harsher methods.

#106 | Posted by crispee_oc

Not at all. As you said, there was blame to be had in many pockets. The leading actor either Bush or Cheney took by their exalted positions, a larger share of the blame. Pelosi need to be booted just as badly.

Blame for some of the financial mess goes to Clinton era politics.

See? Gray is as common or more so than black and white.

well I think I have been here longer than you have so I guess that means that I caused 9/11

Not unless your real name is George W. Bush.

Sincerely,
The Left

More than 120,000 Japanese and persons of Japanese ancestry living in western U.S. moved to "relocation centers," some for the duration of the war (Executive Order 9066).

That dam Bush!

An order with no plan... I LOVE IT......

Kind of like not having an exit plan?

08R4EVER

How can you say this their is a plan to examine the plan that we plan on planing

Keith you have no knowlge of oh, say WWll When the most common things the Japanese did were behead our soldiers?

I one of these guys kills an American, it's going to be Obama's fault, pure and simple.

I one of these guys kills an American, it's going to be Obama's fault, pure and simple.

#119 | Posted by somoco at 2009-01-24 12:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Just like 9/11 was Bush's fault?

The coon is protecting his relatives.

"A Saudi man who was released from Guantanamo after spending six years inside the U.S. prison camp has joined Al Qaeda's branch in Yemen and is now the terror group's No. 2 in the country, according to a purported Internet statement from Al Qaeda."

Who released him? The Bush Administration

Why? I'm guessing because they couldn't in any way prove he'd done anything wrong.

And Now? After 6 years of torture by America, now he hates us! Wow!

"And Now? After 6 years of torture by America, now he hates us! Wow!"

Yeah! He used to LOVE us. NOW he hates us. He was captured on the battlefield trying to convince all his buddies shooting at our troops that we were the good guys. Besides, I have it from a good source that he only killed two of his sixteen daughters for disgracing him and strapped bombs on four of his sons to kill Muslim extremists.

"It is a sad fucking day when the President of the United States of America has to come out and say "I am ordering a stop to torture".

Sounds good...but is it the TRUTH?????

"The unfine print of Mr. Obama's order is that he's allowed room for what might be called a Jack Bauer exception. It creates a committee to study whether the Field Manual techniques are too limiting "when employed by departments or agencies outside the military." The Attorney General, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Director of National Intelligence-designate Dennis Blair will report back and offer "additional or different guidance for other departments or agencies."

In other words, Mr. Obama's Inaugural line that "we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals" was itself misrepresenting the choices his predecessor was forced to make. At least President Bush was candid about the practical realities of preventing mass casualties in the U.S."

Our little friends are gonna have to stop getting chills up their legs and face reality. It looks like maybe their idol has.

lets see, they torture and cut our heads off, I guess we're even now.

they are laughing their asses off at us

yes they are......and even some media has said this very thing..

and

A poke in the eye to all of the right wing nuts who hate our way of life, our Constitution and the values that make America great.

Great job so far PRESIDENT OBAMA.

#68 | Posted by navyvet50 at 2009-01

wow...bud..you are way off here...pretty much completley basakwards....

I see that barry has just done another one of your values that makes us great

signed the death warrant of a million or more innocent souls in the womb......

okay so we are both old farts.....lol

#101 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-01-23 12:14 PM |

Yup, and it also proves that, given enough time together, anyone can become friends. We used to fight daily.

#105 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-01-23

well...lets not get carried away.........LOL

"They're laughing their asses off at us...."

Don't give damn. It's an issue of basic morality. Moral people don't lower their standards to meet that of torturers.

What I've learned: you either get that or you don't.

what we have learned is that these people would slit your childs throat and throw your wife down a well and enjoy watching you watch it

but none of that seems to matter to many of you.

and AGAIN>....if obama is so sure of this and so supported by your side on this

why is the 'jack bauer' thing still in .....

"None of that seems to matter to any of you...."

You either get it or you don't. So, you don't get it. Further discussion is not useful, really.

Murphy, founder-president of Friends Of The Fetus on another thread, seems to be less - er - charitable when it comes to poor bastards being tortured in American concentration camps elsewhere. After all, they're already alive and need to protecting rights.

Meanwhile The Entertainer Formerly Labeled BLT has reinvented himself as something like, best as I can determine, Affable. Obviously, however, he's still the same old BLT, yapping with futility at the heels of his intellectual superiors. herm

Murphy, founder-president of Friends Of The Fetus on another thread, seems to be less - er - charitable when it comes to poor bastards being tortured in American concentration camps elsewhere. After all, they're already alive and need to protecting rights.

Find us a baby that has engaged in terrorism, carnage, & murder to spread the will of their Allah & we'll kick it's ass too!

Find us a baby that has engaged in terrorism, carnage, & murder to spread the will of their Allah & we'll kick it's ass too!

You already have.

You call it collateral damage.

bottom line; Obama is just smoke and mirrors. there is still going to be torture we just won't know about it because there is a dem in the house now

If someone asks you about how is Obama's presidency doing - you can point them to this blog