Yes the guy who did in fact vote to prevent hospitals from rendering medical aid to babies who survived botched abortions is going right to it.

And we have to wonder why other countries hate us?

Pushing abortion onto any populace and why not make the American taxpayer pay for it.

"And we have to wonder why other countries hate us?"

Historical revision. Doesn't work that way, McAnkles.

Hans

No Hans--you are missing the point again. Doing that quite a bit lately aren't you?

Other countries that hold religion more sacred than life itself do not want our western ways of abortion or gay marriage or our slutty movies, music or other crap that has been exported.

And in this case for Mr.-Abortion-on-demand-and-
kill-the-baby-if-it-
lives..Wants us to pay for it.

Phuck him...

"No Hans--you are missing the point again."

And you haven't a clue what you're talking about.

You claim other countries hate us because of Obama removing the gag rule.

If that's the case other countries must have been in love with America under George W. Bush.

Oops.

Historical revision. Doesn't work that way, McAnkles.

Hans

"And in this case for Mr.-Abortion-on-demand-and-
kill-the-baby-if-it-
lives..Wants us to pay for it.

"Phuck him..."

Now that's the bipartisanship Americans are seeking.

Maybe with that "attitude" your party will win an election or two.

Maybe.

Hans

"And in this case for Mr.-Abortion-on-demand-and-
kill-the-baby-if-it-
lives..Wants us to pay for it.

"Phuck him..."

Oh, and if you love the gag rule, and want to see it continued, why not try to win an election or two?

Hans

And when you have something critical to say--post it.

"And when you have something critical to say--post it."

#7 | Posted by McAnkles at 2009-01-19 10:26 PM | Reply | Flag: Do as I say, not as I do

Obama might reverse the "Mexico City policy"?

Woo Hoo!

Bout Bloody Time!

GObama!

And we have to wonder why other countries hate us?"

No need to wonder too long.

It's cos George Bush is a mass murderer?

Also the whole "suppport Israel unconditionally" thing preventing real peace form having a chance in the Middle East.

See also: Torture, Clusterbombs, failing to ratify Kyoto, Depleted Uranium munitions, extra-ordinary rendition, lying a country to war, cynically sitting on his hands and waiting for 9/11 to happen rather than trying to prevent it.

Failing to address the question of sustainability through family planning is a larger sin than wot you imagine abortion is, Murph.

Be Well.

/Btw, Spud don't "hate" America per se Spud just loathes some of America's immoral, unsupportable and self defeating policies is all.
//It's a Good v. Evil thing.

"?" = "."

Be Well.

13 hours and 29 minutes until Murphy's head explodes!

Why are we considering foreign aid at all? It's not enough that we'll be raising taxes for the next hundred years to save Wall Street and Detroit, now we have to send more money to Mexico City?

Murphy is in such a snit tonight - really Murphy you've known about President Obama for almost two months now, not to mention those of us who told you he would win for months before that.

Get over your mean nasty streak and embrace the change - it may very well make even your superior life-style better and maybe you will learn a little more tolerance and understanding of the human condition - and then you could pass it along to Sarah.

"the guy who did in fact vote to prevent hospitals from rendering medical aid to babies who survived botched abortions"

What a disgusting lie.

The law to provide medical aid was already on the books. Obama voted against a provision that would have made criminals out of the doctors. Nothing about preventing any assistance whatsoever.

At issue is the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, a bill in the Illinois state Senate that sought to protect against bungled abortions by requiring that a fetus that survived an abortion be defined as a person. Fearing that the legislation could be interpreted more broadly to protect fetuses that were not yet viable thus threatening Roe v. Wade, abortion rights advocates pushed for an amendment that explicitly limited the scope of the bill to infants "born alive."

"Nothing in this section," the added sentence reads, "shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive as defined in this section." A federal version with that added clause passed Congress unanimously in 2002, with the support of Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Kennedy, among others. Mr. Obama said in 2004 and again on Saturday that he would have supported the federal version.

During the Democratic primary, Mrs. Clinton's campaign criticized Mr. Obama for voting "present" instead of "no" on the "Born Alive" bill in Illinois, which did not contain a provision protecting the Roe v. Wade decision.

The dispute flared again last week when a leading opponent of legalized abortion, the National Right to Life Committee, posted records from the Illinois Legislature showing that Mr. Obama, while chairman of a Senate committee, in 2003, voted against a "Born Alive" bill that contained nearly identical language to the federal bill that passed unanimously, including the provision limiting its scope.

The group says the documents prove Mr. Obama misrepresented his record.

Indeed, Mr. Obama appeared to misstate his position in the CBN interview on Saturday when he said the federal version he supported "was not the bill that was presented at the state level."

His campaign yesterday acknowledged that he had voted against an identical bill in the state Senate, and a spokesman, Hari Sevugan, said the senator and other lawmakers had concerns that even as worded, the legislation could have undermined existing Illinois abortion law. Those concerns did not exist for the federal bill, because there is no federal abortion law.

13 hours and 29 minutes until Murphy's head explodes!

"What Senator Obama's attackers don't tell you is that existing Illinois law already requires doctors to provide medical care in the very rare case that babies are born alive during abortions. They will not tell you that Obama voted against these laws in Illinois because they were clear attempts to undermine Roe v. Wade."
* * * *

So, Obama voted against a law that would have required doctors to provide medical care in the case that babies are born alive during abortions.

Looks to me like Murphy's right.

So, Obama voted against a law that would have required doctors to provide medical care in the case that babies are born alive during abortions.

No. That is the existing law and Obama did not vote against the existing law, which was only at issue on FoxNews or Hannity's radio show or in the Moonie Times.

(or in Murphy's fevered brain)

HORRIBLE! This is not a Christian issue, this is a moral issue. A wisdom issue. A lack of intelligence. I understand one's passion toward faith, but it's the reason "they" don't listen to us. If athiests were calling for an end to abortion, we might have a chance.

We need to forget about the politics, forget about what is made "legal" and launch a high tech, national campaign movement, similiar to the one by Martin Luther King, jr. Abortion HURTS women. Women deserve REAL choices. Women deserve BETTER than abortion!

"Feminists for Life"

Isn't that the group against abortion, even in cases of rape and incest?

You're right...women DO deserve better.

****** Phuck him...

#3 | Posted by MURPHY ******

......Phuck ?.......is that a hockey player having sex ?......

*** Women deserve BETTER than abortion!
........#20 | Posted by NicoleM *****

......sure they do......

.....but until a better option comes along......

.....we should let women make their own choices .......

Just what the country needs. Maybe B.O. will ban trans fats as his second act as President.

This is from the Feminists for Life web-site, a 2001 paper on how to adjust to life in a ghetto...if I was a young pregnant woman and read this, I'd run to an abortionist real quick. They say they value life, but are essentially telling the young mom that hers is over. Geez...what would you choose ?

Fall 2001: Raising Kids Cheap
Feminists for Life provides valuable strategies to parents on how to survive on a shoestring.

Just what the country needs. Maybe B.O. will ban trans fats as his second act as President.

#24 | Posted by wisgod

......would save a few hundred thousand lives......

.....or do you think that food companies should have the freedom to poison our foods.?......

.....or do you think that food companies should have the freedom to poison our foods.?......

#26 | Posted by skizziks

Are you saying the American Consumers are that fucking stupid?

Pushing abortion onto any populace and why not make the American taxpayer pay for it.

So choice=force. Democracy must=dictatorship then...

1984 drags on, doesn't it, Murph?

"Senator Obama strongly supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose."

Why do they always end abortion statements with the word "choose" and refuse to follow through with the statement to complete the sentence?

Let's try this:

"Senator Obama strongly supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to choose ending the life of her fetus by abortion which includes:

Suction: "The abortionist first paralyzes the cervix (womb opening). He then inserts a hollow plastic tube with a knife-like tip into the uterus. The tube is connected to a powerful pump with a suction force 29 times more powerful than a home vacuum cleaner. The procedure tears the baby's body into pieces and the hose frequently jerks as pieces of the baby become lodged."

Dilatation & Curettage (D&C): "Uncommon today and used during the first 10 weeks of pregnancy. This is similar to the suction procedure except that the abortionist inserts a curette, a loop-shaped steel knife up into the uterus. He then cuts the placenta and baby into pieces and scrapes them out into a basin. Bleeding is usually profuse."

Dilatation & Evacuation (D&E): "Performed during the second trimester (4-6 months) of pregnancy. This method has largely replaced saline and chemical abortions, which too frequently resulted in live births, a complication from the abortionist's perspective! A pliers-like instrument is needed because the baby's bones are calcified, as is the skull. There is no anesthetic for the baby. The abortionist inserts the instrument into the uterus, seizes a leg or other part of the body and, with a twisting motion, tears it from the baby's body. This is repeated again and again. The spine must be snapped, and the skull crushed to remove them. The nurse's job is to reassemble the body parts to be sure that all are removed."

D & X (Partial Birth): "Also used for advanced pregnancies. The cervix is dilated to allow passage of a ring forceps. A foot or lower leg is located and pulled into the vagina. The baby is extracted in breech fashion until the head is just inside the cervix. The baby's legs hang outside the woman's body. With the baby face-down, scissors are plunged into the baby's head at the nape of the neck and spread open to enlarge the wound (see photo). A suction tip is inserted and the baby's brain is removed. The skull collapses and the baby is delivered. Sharp and suction curettage is continued until the walls of the womb are clean."

Hysterotomy: "This method is usually used late in pregnancy and is likened to an "early" Caesarian section. The mother's abdomen and uterus are surgically opened and the baby is lifted out. Unfortunately, many of these babies are very much alive when removed. To kill the babies, some abortionists have been known to plunge them into buckets of water or smother them with the placentas. Still others cut the cord while the baby is still inside the uterus depriving the baby of oxygen."

Salt Poisoning a.k.a. "Candy Apple Babies:" "Most often used after the first trimester (first three months). The abortionist injects a strong salt solution directly into the amniotic sac (fluid surrounding the baby). The baby breathes and swallows it, is poisoned, struggles, and sometimes convulses. It takes over an hour to kill the baby. The mother delivers the dead baby in a day or two (sometimes alive!). Why "candy apple" babies? The corrosive effect of the salt solution often burns and strips away the outer layer of the baby's skin. This exposes the raw, red, glazed-looking subcutaneous layer of tissue. The baby's head sometimes looks like a candy apple. Some have also likened this method to the effect of napalm on innocent war victims. This technique was originally developed in the concentration camps in Nazi Germany."

Ohhhh, this is why they candy-coat it and stop with the word "choice". And to think I cannot 'choose' to not wear a motorcycle helmet.

The link:

Why are we sending more money to other countries?

Just what the country needs. Maybe B.O. will ban trans fats as his second act as President.

#24 | Posted by wisgod

......would save a few hundred thousand lives......

.....or do you think that food companies should have the freedom to poison our foods.?......

#26 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-01-20 09:51 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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.....or do you think that food companies should have the freedom to poison our foods.?......

#26 | Posted by skizziks

Are you saying the American Consumers are that fucking stupid?

#27 | Posted by wisgod
So Americans are to stupid to be able to choose what food they eat, but as obama's fact check says they are smart enough to make the decesion on killing a fetus? That is great logic!

Are you saying the American Consumers are that fucking stupid?

#27 | Posted by wisgod

......yes they are......and here is proof positive:

Just what the country needs. Maybe B.O. will ban trans fats as his second act as President.

#24 | Posted by wisgod

So Americans are to stupid to be able to choose what food they eat, but as obama's fact check says they are smart enough to make the decesion on killing a fetus? That is great logic!

#33 | Posted by freechoice

.......so you are saying that companies should be able to poison food with impunity......

......and that your rights as a citizen, should depend on your level of intelligence ........

......please think more clearly.....

.......so you are saying that companies should be able to poison food with impunity......

......and that your rights as a citizen, should depend on your level of intelligence ........

......please think more clearly.....

Posted by skizziks at 2009-01-20 11:02 AM

Kind of like some form of Exteme Darwinism....I like it actually! Let's do this!

Don't worry skizziks. In another 50 minutes, you'll have somebody to take the burden of thinking for yourself off your "Things to do" list.

Kind of like some form of Exteme Darwinism....I like it actually! Let's do this!

#36 | Posted by kanrei

.........they already have it up and running in China......

you'll have somebody to take the burden of thinking for yourself off your "Things to do" list.

#37 | Posted by wisgod

.......and when do you anticipate that someone will finally put it on your list of things to do ?.....

I simply can not get over how, every single day, yet another liberal says to join in, accept the change, and climb on board with Obama. I don't recall one single lib having that attitude after Bush won in either election. Yet you keep telling people on the right to support your side. This is the height of hypocrisy.

.......and when do you anticipate that someone will finally put it on your list of things to do ?.....

#39 | Posted by skizziks

Wow. Amazing how you turned it around.

I no doubt he will show his liberal sense of death when it comes to life in the womb
I mean here is a socalled man who supportes leaving botched abortion babies to die in the FUCKIN TRASH CAN....

I simply can not get over how, every single day, yet another liberal says to join in, accept the change, and climb on board with Obama. I don't recall one single lib having that attitude after Bush won in either election. Yet you keep telling people on the right to support your side. This is the height of hypocrisy.

#40 | Posted by everlong at

its too bad you are spot on here.
I am at a school and I just saw a black kid walk by with a shirt that said

MY PRESIDENT IS BLACK

and this is the attitude that we will be faced with..
that and republicans taking whatever crumbs the dems will leave

but the good news might be that just as in 1994...we will get a congressman LIKE MINE...tom delay and beat the libs at thier own game.>>AGAIN.....

"I mean here is a socalled man who supportes leaving botched abortion babies to die in the FUCKIN TRASH CAN...."

Still barfing up that oft-debunked lie?

There was already a law on the books requiring care for those fetuses. Still is.

Danforth,

Forget it. Those who will put religion in front of truth and common sense refuse to see the facts.

They are so blinded by religious hate they cannot see what is real anymore.

I don't recall one single lib having that attitude after Bush won in either election. Yet you keep telling people on the right to support your side. This is the height of hypocrisy.

#40 | Posted by everlong

Hey, I voted for Bush in 2000. He was my president until he failed to do his job and keep America safe.

Then that being done, he began to systematically destroy everything that this nation has stood for in the name of personal profit and idealology.

And here I thought big O's first act as president was to free up the $350B second half of the TARP money?

"D & X (Partial Birth): "Also used for advanced pregnancies. The cervix is dilated to allow passage of a ring forceps. A foot or lower leg is located and pulled into the vagina. The baby is extracted in breech fashion until the head is just inside the cervix. The baby's legs hang outside the woman's body. With the baby face-down, scissors are plunged into the baby's head at the nape of the neck and spread open to enlarge the wound (see photo). A suction tip is inserted and the baby's brain is removed. The skull collapses and the baby is delivered. Sharp and suction curettage is continued until the walls of the womb are clean."

Hysterotomy: "This method is usually used late in pregnancy and is likened to an "early" Caesarian section. The mother's abdomen and uterus are surgically opened and the baby is lifted out. Unfortunately, many of these babies are very much alive when removed. To kill the babies, some abortionists have been known to plunge them into buckets of water or smother them with the placentas. Still others cut the cord while the baby is still inside the uterus depriving the baby of oxygen."

Salt Poisoning a.k.a. "Candy Apple Babies:" "Most often used after the first trimester (first three months). The abortionist injects a strong salt solution directly into the amniotic sac (fluid surrounding the baby). The baby breathes and swallows it, is poisoned, struggles, and sometimes convulses. It takes over an hour to kill the baby. The mother delivers the dead baby in a day or two (sometimes alive!). Why "candy apple" babies? The corrosive effect of the salt solution often burns and strips away the outer layer of the baby's skin. This exposes the raw, red, glazed-looking subcutaneous layer of tissue. The baby's head sometimes looks like a candy apple. Some have also likened this method to the effect of napalm on innocent war victims. This technique was originally developed in the concentration camps in Nazi Germany."

Ohhhh, this is why they candy-coat it and stop with the word "choice". And to think I cannot 'choose' to not wear a motorcycle helmet."

Brutal stuff KBM. I don't think you have to be religious at all to get squeamish on that one.

I'm no fan of abortion, but my mind reels at the consequences of outlawing. We will be back to chop shops and clotheshangers.

It's always entertaining watching the reichwing pretend to love unborn children while condoning mass bombings.

As just about always. The right is nazi wrong.

It's not quite morning in America yet, but O's small nod to women all around the world having a right to control their own wombs ... well, that represents a glimmer of dawn. herm

"HORRIBLE! This is not a Christian issue, this is a moral issue. A wisdom issue. A lack of intelligence. I understand one's passion toward faith, but it's the reason "they" don't listen to us. If athiests were calling for an end to abortion, we might have a chance."

#20 | Posted by NicoleM

I've thought for a long time now that Christians have done more to encourage abortion than encourage "life."

Putting the focus on sexual promiscuity, heaven and hell does nothing for the little person inside. Very few seem to have any sympathy for the mother or their economic situation.

While I would love to think the edumacation is key, the simple fact of the matter is kids are going to screw, I mean screw up.

Luckily my girls have had a level head so far. We did not coach them to rely on abstinence (ie stupidity). We got them on the pill, they have both had steady boyfriends for a long time, who knows-marriage down the road?

But in our small circle in the past 5 years, we've seen 6 girls get knocked up under 20. 4 had abortions, 2 had the babies. And no matter what, their lives were never the same.

Whether you believe in a soul or not, its an ugly ugly procedure and that little life form feels it.

Very few seem to have any sympathy for the mother or their economic situation.

#51 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE
Except that the religous in this country donate much more money (on a percent basis, and total basis) than do the non-religous in this country. Unless of course you count what the money that liberals donate in the form of others people's money called taxes.

Hopefully, he'll pump up education on contraception too. Enough of this stupid abstinence only crap. The world has enough Bristol Palins already.

"Except that the religous in this country donate much more money (on a percent basis, and total basis) than do the non-religous in this country. Unless of course you count what the money that liberals donate in the form of others people's money called taxes."

#53 | Posted by freechoice

How much of that donated goes toward enabling a woman to choose life vs. groups that do nothing but protest and try to change the law?

"Except that the religous in this country donate much more money (on a percent basis, and total basis) than do the non-religous in this country.

But once you subtract the monies going towards meth and gay hookers, it comes out to about the same.

But once you subtract the monies going towards meth and gay hookers, it comes out to about the same.

#56 | Posted by Danforth
just a dumbass comment

How much of that donated goes toward enabling a woman to choose life vs. groups that do nothing but protest and try to change the law?

#55 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE
charity, not political groups

#58 | Posted by freechoice

On another note, if more Christians (I am one btw) would care more about life than whether or not people are having promiscuous sex, more would support sex education, which could prevent more women from even having to make the choice.

On another note, if more Christians (I am one btw) would care more about life than whether or not people are having promiscuous sex, more would support sex education, which could prevent more women from even having to make the choice.

#59 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE
and if by "more Christians" you really mean everyone, then I agree. You could have easily said if Planned Parenthood was not into doing whatever it takes to do abortions to get the money, and spent more time teaching them not to get pregant we could prevent women from even having to make the choice. Your statment is wise, but applies to everyone.

See Joes' #15 post on Obama and his vote.

And that is just reinforced with what sources in this story are stating.

If PP was going to spend money with birth control--which is what they do now--fine.

But to have them funded with American taxpayers money to kill babies is just wrong.

"to have them funded with American taxpayers money to kill babies is just wrong."

Just guessing...you were all for the invasion of Iraq?

"But to have them funded with American taxpayers money to kill babies is just wrong."

Just out of curiosity, do you have any numbers on how many women actually have abortions at planned parenthood compared to how many utilize it for cheap yearly exams and birth control?

Still barfing up that oft-debunked lie?

There was already a law on the books requiring care for those fetuses. Still is.

#44 | Posted by Danforth at

I havent barfed up anything I had those tamalas from the little shack on the corner....ugh!!!
how can something so good on the way down taste so bad on the wayup

but I digress......

its not a lie and you know it...the vote was to make it where the baby WASNT LEFT TO DIE and obama voted on the side OF DEATH>.....and any way you slant it comes out to that same conclusion.

Weren't you supposed to change your handle?

Rusty,

Simple question: Was there already a law on the books requiring medical care or not?

O's small nod to women all around the world having a right to control their own wombs ... well, that represents a glimmer of dawn

And when men have the right to refuse fatherhood, or conversely have the right to veto an abortion, then we will have true reproductive "choice."

Billions spent on female birth control, i.e. the Pill. When will they develop one for men?

I do agree with the educational programs and contraceptives, but not feticide.

My X went off the pill at a time when our marriage was strained (she couldn't accept my being in the Navy - despite the fact we married after I was in for a year). She did the same thing with two other husbands - for different reasons - just before divorcing them.

Ironically it's called Dropping Anchor.

Since my daughter was born I've dated three women who previously had abortions. None of them were right about it, mentally, and I wasn't going to take a chance on having my child flushed like a piece of excrement.

I wasn't unsympathetic, but I did say Adios.

afkabl2

Asshole Formerly Known As Bush Lover 2? Sheesh! What did you do, spend 30 seconds on that?

afkabl2

Aflac?

unfuckable?

babelfish?

Asshole Formerly Known As Bush Lover 2?

~LUP

Ta LUP. Spud was kinda wondering.

Yer right, deeply indicative of a profound lack of imagination.

Meh, Spud's just gonna go with "Rusty Trombone".

Is funnier.

Be Well.

Once again the Reich wing has left out the MOST CRUCIAL part of any abortion.

THE ABSENCE OF A RESPONSIBLE MALE PARTNER.

In their quest to put women back in the kitchen barefoot ans alone. The Reich Wing has determined that men have absolutely NO RESPONSIBILITY when it comes to child creation and birth.

If men would take responsibility for sperm they produce there would be less broken families and possibly abortions.

Either you Reich Wingers are truly idiots or your dishonest.

its good hopefully the christian right and religeon in general will finally be shut out of the political arena.

abortion is not a poltical issue and should never be in the ideoligical political spectrum.

the change america deserves is an ending to conservatism in the US, phuck conservatives and their lack of brain cells.

For those of you so concerned about the legality of abortion, why don't you go do something useful like adopt a child out of the foster system that needs a stable home? You know - break the cycle?

What I find about most anti-abortionists is that they are all yak-yak-yak but can't seem to put their money (or time or effort or concern) where their mouth is.

But, but, but those children have real problems! I can't deal with that, I think I'll go to China and get a baby.

You really want to change the state of abortion? Changing a law won't do it because it will still go on. Try reaching out to those in need instead.

In other words, put up or shut up. Instead of focusing on the law, focus on making the law irrelevant. And by the way, that's a John McCain quote paraphrase.

Sheesh...like we all wake up and say, gee this is a good day for an abortion. Get real.

"Phuck him" based on a "source"

its not a lie and you know it...the vote was to make it where the baby WASNT LEFT TO DIE and obama voted on the side OF DEATH>.....and any way you slant it comes out to that same conclusion.

#64 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-01-20 03:48 PM | Reply | Flag

blah blah blah---LINK?

Historical revision. Doesn't work that way, McAnkles.

Hans

And, how does it work McGirlie

Yeah, I believe you, 726. Especially when you say things like "he failed to keep the country safe". Yeah, I really believe you voted for him. Especially if you're a liberal like the ones I was addressing. You're trying to tell me that you didn't vote for Gore and you're liberal? Okay.