#1 | Posted by nanc at 2009-01-18 11:05 PM | Reply | Flag: Ravings of a Fundamentalist Lunatic

I should have known. More apocalyptic babble from a person so preoccupied with the next world that he/she's perfectly content to let this one go in the shitter. Plague kills a lot of people in central Asia and former Soviet Union- it has the potential to kill a lot of people in urban areas where there are plenty of fleas and furry things. We got lucky that it was the bad guys this time.

Such a Christian, Nanc. But, hey, it worked on the 'skins, oughta work on anyone, right?

Hey, Nanc, here's something for you to chew on:

they have lots of practice...?

Vaccines and Medical Experiments on Children, Minorities, Woman and Inmates (1845 - 2007

(1845 - 1849) J. Marion Sims, later hailed as the "father of gynecology," performs medical experiments on enslaved African women without anesthesia. These women would usually die of infection soon after surgery. Based on his belief that the movement of newborns' skull bones during protracted births causes trismus, he also uses a shoemaker's awl, a pointed tool shoemakers use to make holes in leather, to practice moving the skull bones of babies born to enslaved mothers (Brinker).

1915)
Dr. Joseph Goldberger, under order of the U.S. Public Health Office, produces Pellagra, a debilitating disease that affects the central nervous system, in 12 Mississippi inmates to try to find a cure for the disease. One test subject later says that he had been through "a thousand hells." In 1935, after millions die from the disease, the director of the U.S Public Health Office would finally admit that officials had known that it was caused by a niacin deficiency for some time, but did nothing about it because it mostly affected poor African-Americans. During the Nuremberg Trials, Nazi doctors used this study to try to justify their medical experiments on concentration camp inmates (Greger; Cockburn and St. Clair, eds.).

(1951)
The U.S. Army secretly contaminates the Norfolk Naval Supply Center in Virginia and Washington, D.C.'s National Airport with a strain of bacteria chosen because African-Americans were believed to be more susceptible to it than Caucasians. The experiment causes food poisoning, respiratory problems and blood poisoning (Cockburn and St. Clair, eds.).

God's hand here, Nanc?

(1965)
As part of a test codenamed "Big Tom," the Department of Defense sprays Oahu, Hawaii's most heavily populated island, with Bacillus globigii in order to simulate an attack on an island complex. Bacillus globigii causes infections in people with weakened immune systems, but this was not known to scientists at the time (Goliszek, Martin).

(1966)
U.S. Army scientists drop light bulbs filled with Bacillus subtilis through ventilation gates and into the New York City subway system, exposing more than one million civilians, including women and children, to the bacteria (Goliszek).

a Supreme Court's judge is God's hand then?

1985)
A former U.S. Army sergeant tries to sue the Army for using drugs on him in without his consent or even his knowledge in United States v. Stanley, 483 U.S. 669. Justice Antonin Scalia writes the decision, clearing the U.S. military from any liability in past, present or future medical experiments without informed consent (Merritte, et al..

"God's hand here, Nanc?"

Oh Gawd, oh Gawd, ohmy Gawd!
~NanCee

Must be Allah's hand here then ~ right?

Troops' toxic chemicals exposure, Balad, Iraq
By: mytrueword

laugh all you'd like, doc, but like it or not plagues and pestilences are spoken of for the end of days. i'm curious as to why no other groups are reporting this phenomenon.

why only bad guys, zombie?

do i believe God made this happen? no.

do i look forward to the hereafter more than the here and now? yes.

"like it or not plagues and pestilences are spoken of for the end of days"

Just like every other day.

"do i look forward to the hereafter more than the here and now? yes."

Is anyone trying to rob you of your fantasies?

i have no fantasies.

anybody trying to rob you of yours?

I hope this is a naturally occurring outbreak and not some sort of attempt to create a bio-weapon.

......you know what Bin Laden said when he was told about the Plague infecting his men ?......

....."Rats".......

Wondering whether those 40 guys were wearing their name tags or had some form of id on them to indicate what group they were.

Seems like anybody could be branded with a name, and fanactics will believe it.

Around here we have blue jays who terrorize the smaller birds at the feeder, they 'could' be linked to something much more sinister, if you are as gullible as the rest of the Bible thumpers.

Has anyone considered that the US Military or CIA may have introduced the disease as a weapon? It would not surprise me that they would ignore the UN prohibitions on biological weapons.

A security source told the paper: "This is the deadliest weapon yet in the war against terror. Most of the terrorists do not have the basic medical supplies needed to treat the disease.

"It spreads It spreads quickly and kills within hours. This will be really worrying al-Qaeda."

A security source?

Or just another crap load of propaganda.

A source said: "The emirs (leaders) fear surviving terrorists will surrender to escape a horrible death."

Oh Bullshit these are some of the toughest women and children killers the world has ever seen, they would simply laugh at death yell Allah Akbar Jihad real loud and say where are my 70 virgins. Remember the middle east can only be saved by PEACE THROUGH MARTYRDOM...

"do i look forward to the hereafter more than the here and now? yes."

#13 | Posted by nanc at 2009-01-19 09:06 AM

No, you don't.

Hans

The plague is rampant around the world...even in the us southwest..its been there for thousands of years and will remain for many more.

"i have no fantasies."

#15 | Posted by nanc at 2009-01-19 09:24 AM

Poor mr. nanc.

Hans

"i have no fantasies."

#15 | Posted by nanc at 2009-01-19 09:24 AM

Delusions, yes.

Hans

Couldn't happen to a more deserving group.

Who cares if these animals die?

Hansel,

Delusions, yes.

Is Gretel a 'delusion' or a 'fantasy'?

I eagerly await your answer...however if I see bread-crumbs dropping from your pockets I will assume you are a whitch whether you do ,or do not you float!

What say you?

Most terrorist hide in mosques and under women's dresses these are not likely places to be infected naturally, a cave however could incubate such a virus and infect a person naturally. I would think after being infected they would want to spread such a virus to all of their loved ones to reach paradise instantly and receive the seventy virgins before all the good looking ones are gone. Imagine finally becoming a martyr and reaching paradise and all the left over virgins weigh at least 300 pounds are ugly and sound like "Silence"...

"have you been licking the salt off the rim again?"

You just said you had no fantasies.

Hans

"Is Gretel a 'delusion' or a 'fantasy'?"

Fantasy, JeffJ.

Fantasy.

Hans

"have you been licking the salt off the rim again?"

You just said you had no fantasies.

Hans,

You just made Chair101 proud, you crafty bastard!

Hans,

Fantasy, JeffJ.

That's kinda disturbing, my friend.

Seriously, she was a 12-year-old girl who wore an apron and scattered bread crumbs on the ground.

Anyhow, it's cool as always trading jabs with ya!

you're OK despite what 'Rightnut' says about you.

"...you crafty bastard!"

Just the other day I was called an arrogant bastard.

I'm sensing a theme.

Hans

"you're OK despite what 'Rightnut' says about you."

rightnut: my bff.

Hans

38 | Posted by Hans

Can I buy a sense of humor...from either side???

Poor Nanc. Lost in Exodus again.

There ain't no phenom here. Our bacterial cousins own this planet. They outnumber us like your head would spin.

We call it a plague. To bacteria, it's just lunchtime.

okay - so it's just plague that has specifically attacked 40 al qaeda members and no other outbreaks anywhere else. cool. gotcha and a sarah palin wink to boot!

Plague is not bacterial..it is viral.

"Can I buy a sense of humor...from either side???"

If you have to ask the price...

Hans

Plague is not bacterial..it is viral.

Posted by jubal_harshaw at 2009-01-19 10:46 AM | Reply

Bacterial Viral when Your posterial is upon the saterial of the local craperial it won't make a Hill of beans what it is.

Larry

Plague is not bacterial..it is viral.

Oooo! Wrong! Oh, sorry, but we've got lovely prizes to take home, yes!

Bubonic plague is the best-known manifestation of the bacterial disease plague, caused by the bacterium Yersinia pestis (formerly known as Pasteurella pestis). Bubonic plague is often used synonymously for plague, but it does in fact refer specifically to an infection that enters through the skin and travels through the lymphatics, as is often seen in flea-borne infections. Bubonic Plague kills about 50% of infected patients in 4-7 days without treatment. The Bubonic plague is believed by many to be the Black Death that swept through Europe in the 1340s.

A little study, perhaps?

Accident or al queda lab test run amok?

Reading the story indicates it is repeating an article in the "Sun", the only internet source for the story.

"The arrival of the plague was discovered when security forces found the body of a dead terrorist by a roadside, the Sun reports."

The same paper that has UFOs knocking down wind turbines in the UK, so maybe there's really no story here at all.

What happened? Did we accidentally send them infected blankets??
OOOpppsss.....

And we said we'd never do that again.

Hey Nanc, can you explain why Moses wrote Deuteronomy in the 3rd person?

Just curious.

Plaque kills 40 Al Quaeda?

Spud to Al Quaeda:

Hey, Losers.

No sympathy here.

That's wot you get fer not brushing yer teeth properly!

Also, would a little mouth wash kill ya?

Ever hear of dental floss?

Sorry? Wot's that?

Plague?

Oh.

Nevermind.

/Meh, still don't get any sympathy.

Be Well.

Hey Nanc, can you explain why Moses wrote Deuteronomy in the 3rd person?

Actually, funny story.

That was Spud wot wrote that part.

Long story short it was an accident ...kind of.

One involving a time machine an English to Aramaic dictionary and a rather large bottle of Scotch.

Spud had a hangover of biblical proportions after that bender.

Never again!

Be Well.

Wow, Nanc is such a racist she even hates the Black Plague!

Be Well.

Actually Mouth Wash might contribute to oral cancers so Yes indeed mouth waqsh might kill people

oh shit. I thought it read "plaque", as in "tooth plaque" %-/

oh shit. I thought it read "plaque", as in "tooth plaque" %-/

Posted by bellaspapa at 2009-01-19 03:32 PM | Reply

Damned sure looks like a Q doesn't it??

Only if your glasses wore off.

Its only fitting, if you are going to live like a medeval, why not die like one

Has anyone considered that the US Military or CIA may have introduced the disease as a weapon? It would not surprise me that they would ignore the UN prohibitions on biological weapons.

#19 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch

You read my mind. There is nothing Bush and Cheney wouldn't do, including chemical and biological weapons. They learned it from Saddam!

Actually, Sadaam learned it from Reagan.

I am guessing no one is going to help them out. The plague will cure itself soon enough.

So, percapita, are you saying that, if we could actually infiltrate Al Qaeda with something biological that would kill them off in huge numbers, we shouldn't do it? Are you saying that Bush should not have used plague or anything else if we knew it would kill them? I'm not sure I get where you're coming from.

On one hand you say Bush and Cheney have devised a way to use biological weapons against Al Qaeda, but you say it like it's a bad thing. So, do you think they did or do you think we could have but didn't?

do i look forward to the hereafter more than the here and now? yes.

#13 | Posted by nanc at 2009-01-19 09:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nobody is stopping you from getting there.

...laugh all you'd like, doc, but like it or not plagues and pestilences are spoken of for the end of days. i'm curious as to why no other groups are reporting this phenomenon.

Phenomenon? Many thousands of people die from this disease every year. The deaths of 40 terrorists living in ideal conditions to infect one another is no surprise and most definitely not a phenomenon. Millions die every year from infectious disease. These terrorists were no different than a drop in the Pacific ocean.

War, Death, Plague, and Famine- the four horsemen of the apocalpyse, and a pretty accurate description of four destructive forces facing humanity. I would add ignorance to those. There is a big problem with dispensationalists and their beliefs- pay attention nanc, because this applies to you. Claims that the world is near its "end" are based on such generic prophecies and deliberately ambiguous symbolism that it has always looked like the world is ending.

why only bad guys, zombie?
-Nanc

Dumb luck and the behavior of the pathogen.

Let's say they got plain old bubonic plague. It's spread by fleas biting infected animals. If you're living in a cave or barracks, and it is infested with fleas, one of those fleas is going to bite more than one person. Other fleas bite infected people and get a load of Y. pestis themselves. It's pretty easy to see plague infecting out a bunch of insurgents whose immune systems have been weakened by the stress of living malnourished, under attack, and on the run. Living in close quarters to one another and in close proximity to whatever varmints are running around also had a lot to do with it.

Or, it could have been pneumonic plague (caused by the same bug infecting the lungs). I'm not sure how the first victim would have inhaled the bacteria. Maybe he stirred up a corpse of an animal that died of the disease in the cave they were hiding in. Maybe the CIA pumped in aerosolized Y. pestis (though that wouldn't make much sense- America was never into plague during its BW days). Anyway, pneumonic plague kills fast, and it can be transmitted through aerosols created by coughing and sneezing. One infected, contagious person among the terrorists can spread it like wildfire.

Do i look forward to the hereafter more than the here and now? yes.
-Nanc

Your perogative, I guess. I think it's a waste of time, and you'll end up not having made the most of the life you have because you have faith that the next one will be somehow superior.

There ain't no phenom here. Our bacterial cousins own this planet. They outnumber us like your head would spin.
-someone not Nanc

Right you are. The microogranisms that live in and on each and every one of us outnumber our cells 10 to 1. They belong to any of about a thousand species. That's just in and on humans- there are 6 billion or so humans on earth. I would wager that there are far more bacteria growing on my shower tiles, and if you want to, you can grow 6 billion bacteria in a jar. They evolve like lightning, and are truly amazing little things. Most of them don't make us sick at all.

Has anyone considered that the US Military or CIA may have introduced the disease as a weapon? It would not surprise me that they would ignore the UN prohibitions on biological weapons.

Yes, I have. I would not put it past some people, though I would like to think that despite our history of "extraordinary rendition" and "enhanced interrogation," crossing the line into biological warfare is something that few would even consider. BW is perhaps the greatest perversion of science and medicine that I have ever heard of- it turns my stomach.

I am guessing no one is going to help them out. The plague will cure itself soon enough.
-UncleSam

This time. What happens if one of those infected terrorists rides into Islamabad, or even a much smaller town, to get help from a sympathetic doctor. And then gets bit by a flea, possibly introducing the plague into the city's population? Or what if he had pneumonic plague. That can devastate a population extremely rapidly. It might not become a pandemic, but it would make the Zimbabwe cholera epidemic look like nothing- and that's killed 2200 people (of tens of thousands infected). This is what I mean when I say we got extremely lucky this time.

I had a cousin die from the black plague back around 1950. He was 3 years old and we all had to get shots to protect us. They decided he got bit by a flea from playing with a dead rat in his backyard. He dies on Easter day that year and our family was devastated.......

It worked fast and only took 3 days to do him in. Very high fever and plenty of bruise like spots all over his body. All his clothes and toys had to be burned and the house fumagated. My Aunt & Uncle had to move.

Its Bush's fault!

Don't worry as soon as Obama gives them universal healthcare they will be healthy enough to resume their terrorist attacks.

Plaque? Missed their dental appts?

Plaque? Missed their dental appts?

Spud beat you to the punchline there.

See post #48.

Be Well.

my favorite Bubonic Plague story is in now Alexandria, Minnesota...the Kennington Rune Stone.

The Kensington Rune Stone ~ Its Place in History by Thomas Reiersgord

it's from the daily telegraph (subsequently corroborated by the washingtontimes-thx kerrin). take with a v large pinch of salt.
sounds like an attempt to cause hysteria in much the same way that the whole, airline bomb plot involving mixing of liquids on-board, caused some years back. complexity, chances of success or improbility of plan never stood in the way of a good story.

dickdestiny's blog is good at refuting such jumped-up apocalyptic threats....

It's not like these people don't deserve to die a gruesome death. You people will try to make a conspiracy theory out of everything. These idiots lifestyles appear to be catching up with them and that's a good thing.

Another disturbing point here is that everyone is quick to blame us for these idiots lifestyles and somehow make us the villains. I say it couldn't happen to a better bunch of people. These people lived like rats and they died like one. Sounds just to me.

Lonnie

They were no better or worse than our ex VP to be for sure...

"Another disturbing point here is that everyone is quick to blame us for these idiots lifestyles and somehow make us the villains."

I know you were referring to their apologists, but you basically summed up the entire jihadist ideology: Middle Easterners/Muslims are not responsible for themselves. All their problems are caused by people living thousands of miles away.

Typical no-account bigoted losers.

"it's from the daily telegraph (subsequently corroborated by the washingtontimes-thx kerrin). take with a v large pinch of salt.'

I always do!

But does that mean it should be ignored and not posted?

Nor posted so one is aware of things that are being talked about?

Or...dammit...not "nor"!

So, percapita, are you saying that, if we could actually infiltrate Al Qaeda with something biological that would kill them off in huge numbers, we shouldn't do it? Are you saying that Bush should not have used plague or anything else if we knew it would kill them? I'm not sure I get where you're coming from.

On one hand you say Bush and Cheney have devised a way to use biological weapons against Al Qaeda, but you say it like it's a bad thing. So, do you think they did or do you think we could have but didn't?

#59 | Posted by everlong

You sure advocate a chickenshit way to fight a war, everlong. Are you such an idiot to know if we do it to them, they will do it to us? Same rule as torture. Geneva Convention stuff.