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Wednesday, January 14, 2009

Thomas Frank: Centrism is a chump's game. Democrats have massive majorities these days not because they waffle hither and yon but because their historic principles have been vindicated by events. This is their moment. Let the other side do the triangulating.

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Sounds good to me.

OBAMA HAS CHANGED HIS MIND. HE DOESN`T WANT TO BE PRESIDENT. HE DEMANDS A RECOUNT...

And Hence..The "we" versus"them" mentality, Lefties are as anti-unity or anti-american as you can get..especially the press..what is this "we" shit

What??? He won because he was running against a Bush third term. The dems picked up house and senate seats because the reps were acting like a bunch of dems.

"He won because he was running against a Bush third term."


And he still needed to double the spending of his rival.

The dems picked up house and senate seats because the reps were acting like a bunch of dems.

Posted by Sniper at 2009-01-14 05:24 PM

That's a nice racket you have going there. Even when you're in power you're not responsible for anything.

because their historic principles have been vindicated by events.

LOL.

Yes.

Indeed.

I love it.

And he still needed to double the spending of his rival.

#5 | Posted by salamandagator at 2009-01-14 05:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Since Obama hasn't taken office yet, he still has to increase the debt by about $5,000,000,000,000 in order to match Bush.

And he still needed to double the spending of his rival

WAHHHHH!! The gold digger that dumped his first wife to marry a cunt worth $100 million got outspent. Cry me a river.

What a bunch of bitches. All of them.

"WAHHHHH!! The gold digger that dumped his first wife to marry a cunt worth $100 million got outspent. Cry me a river."



Little close to hitting a nerve?
Hmmm, fine, i'm bitter. That does not change the fact the even obama knew he is not a strong enough candidate to run without a massive advantage, otherwise he might have stuck to his promise and left the lying until he was in office. Oh well.

Apparently Frank doesn't get it.

Obama is another Wall Street shill. They picked him and financed him. They did so on the belief that his race and personality would permit them to continue fucking the American people over longer than another Honkie could. He owes them, big time.

If the liberals think they have Obama in their pocket, they're in for a big surprise!

I won't share what's likely to happen in the near future, because some folks here are ready to misinterpret and pound on me.

Nananananana.....

Takit-
Oh, please go on. What's "likely to happen"?

"Obama is another Wall Street shill. They picked him and financed him. They did so on the belief that his race and personality would permit them to continue fucking the American people over longer than another Honkie could. He owes them, big time."

6 out of the top 20 donors were financial institutions. The rest were law firms, universities, and companies.

www.opensecrets.org

Are you saying that the Univ. of CA (number 1 donor by far) has him in their pocket too? I hope so.

He raised more from individual donors making small contributions than anyone in history by a large margin. Lets not get into knee-jerk accusations unless they are supported by something more than a diverse donor list.

FTA: And through it all, centrism bills itself as the most transgressive sort of exercise imaginable. Its partisans are "New Democrats," "Radical Centrists," clear-eyed believers in a "Third Way." The red-hot tepids, we might call them -- the jellybeans of steel.

FF fer Thomas Frank.

Gawd knows we need sommat to laugh at these days.

Here's the deal. Aside from a few whackjob extremists mostly found on the fundy right all of DC is centrist in practice if not in rhetoric.

Running to the left and right during election season in order to implant the socially divise wedge issues into the zeitgeist in order to perpetuate wot Spud has taken to calling the "51/49% solution" and then runnning back to the center when the real politcs begin and being a corporately directed centrist duopoly is the name of the game in DC and has been for a long time now.

There is very little liberalism in DC.
There is very little conservatism in DC.

There are an unelected elite, neo-libs and neo-cons, who use the sophisticated proganda network of the MSM in order to seek ascendency over each others agendas by manufacturing consent and public opinion under the guise of reflecting and responding to public opinion.

The disconnect between public opinion and public policy is, by now, almost complete.

The true base of both parties is the "haves and the have mores" as Bush once joked, only the Dems are much less openly comtemptuous of the masses than the Reps.

Even if a true liberal was elected POTUS who wanted to bring real change to American politics he would have his (or her) work cut out.

The entire system is geared towards servicing the agenda of the unelected elites who call the shots while pretending it is doing no such thing.

Thing is, at one time, wot was good for the American based corporations did indeed trickle down to the people and allowed the American people a standard of lving that was the envy of the world.

This is no longer as true today.

At the end of the second world war, the US was a country with 5% of the world's population that supplied over half the manufactured goods to the planet.

Even today, the US, a country with 5% of the global population, still manages to consume over thirty percent of the worlds resources.

If everyone on the planet consumed at the rate America does we would need 4 or 5 Earths to supply those resources which, of course, we don't have.

America is no longer the biggest manufacturer on earth. America is now merely the largest consumer nation on earth. One whose economy stands on unsustainable twin deficits of debt.

The very fact that yer MSM FAILs to even give you a glimmer of truth about these very basic facts of life tells you a lot about wot you need to know about the nature of that beast.

Obama acts like a centrist because he is a centrist, which made all these discussion around here as to wot a "dangerous, radical lefty" he was during the campaign season an absolute joke fer Spud.

Anywho, Frank is right in that Obama should act like he's won and act more like a liberal but that statement kinda ignores the reality of the two sided coin that is the corporate duopoly that passes itself off as a functioning democracy.

It's like one of them trick coins.

Heads they WIN.
Tails you LOSE.

Learn that.

Be Well.

/"Brace yerselves, my darlings."

Seems to me that he is acting like he won.

What do people want? Some 'end-zone' dance?

That would cost him 15 yards on the kickoff.

Based on what he's spending for the party on the 20th, I think he won too.

Obama is so fucking out of his league.

OBAMA: Frank should stop talking with a slur.

I bet he has a stroke witin 3 years.

go liberals,after todays vote on SCHIP (House votes health insurance for 4M more children) i can now drop my kids health ins.and put in on the taxpayer back.what shall i do with my $540 a month winfall?


go liberals,after todays vote on SCHIP (House votes health insurance for 4M more children) i can now drop my kids health ins.and put in on the taxpayer back.what shall i do with my $540 a month winfall?

#23 | Posted by semtex111

Be a Patriot and give it to the IRS. -Joe Biden


I bet he has a stroke witin 3 years.

#22 | Posted by cabo_vato


Comedy value = 2.5
fact value = 0

I bet that he has the neo-cons extolling his virtues within 1 year. because he's a populist, which is a non-psychotic neo-con. that's why i voted for him. i'm an independent, so my philosophy is that if i have to elect an asshole, i may as well elect one that's fun.

I also predict that this year, your analysis of politics may actually take on a life of it's own and become the first bullshit-based life form.

cangratulations!

congratulations, sry


Obama is so fucking out of his league.

#20 | Posted by cabo_vato at 2009-01-14 06:36 PM


What? The "Bush" league?

He is not even a "Bush Leaguer" God help us.

I'll bet he is shitting himself right about now. After all, this is not some Chicago southside community organization.


I'll bet he is shitting himself right about now. After all, this is not some Chicago southside community organization.

#29 | Posted by cabo_vato

It's just like playing Monopoly with bigger bills.

A Deer in the headlights comes to mind.

What??? He won because he was running against a Bush third term. The dems picked up house and senate seats because the reps were acting like a bunch of dems.

#4 | Posted by Sniper

And yet, until he picked Palin and showed his ignorance of the economy, McToast was leading. The GOPpers lost across the board because they proved they were unfit to lead, whether economically, domestically, internationally or militarily. Bush was a monumental FAIL and the GOPpers were his loyal bitches until the last minute. Sniper, deal with it, if Mcfail had of picked Romney instead of the wasilly moosiah, he'd be picking the new WH drapes. But you guys caved to the evanjihadists...

if Mcfail had of picked Romney instead of the wasilly moosiah, he'd be picking the new WH drapes.
Posted by northguy3

Baloney. McModerate was never going to win, even though the Community Organizer tried his best to give it to him.

if Mcfail had of picked Romney instead of the wasilly moosiah, he'd be picking the new WH drapes. But you guys caved to the evanjihadists...

#32 | Posted by northguy3

I think you are possibly right. it's a question of if the religious right could bring themselves to vote for a godless heathern mormon.

But in the next election, they will be more forgiving, since they've now found out they were bamboozled by trailer trash.

Obama needs to act like he did when he came home and told his wife that he bought that vacant lot next door....Like a fucking winner!

#35 | Posted by wisgod


Too funny

That's a nice racket you have going there. Even when you're in power you're not responsible for anything.

#6 | Posted by BetelG

You tell me why the repubs lost their seats bet.

He raised more from individual donors making small contributions than anyone in history by a large margin.

#15 | Posted by kevin23

If you believe that, I have a bridge from Alaska to Russia I would like to sell to you. You can make a bundle off the toll.

It's just like playing Monopoly with bigger bills.

#30 | Posted by wisgod

Why the fuck not, it's not his money.

I am sure he is wearing depends because he is shitting himself so often.

And pissing himself like a little girl.

I am sure he is wearing depends because he is shitting himself so often.

#40 | Posted by cabo_vato at 2009-01-14 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Just out of curiosity, what do you hate so much about the president who has yet to take office?

How many of his promises has he reneged on so far?

Hope is change.......... Nothing will change....

"Hope is change.......... Nothing will change...."

I can't wait for the Supreme Court nominations.

Hans

i am so tired of the 5% that consumes 25% or 30% in this nit wits case bull shit. we also send countless dollars overseas as well as tons of products that the world consumes. we should consume as much as we god damn need to try to recapture our status as an elite country. these libs losers want us to be a third world population that rely on them to take care of us. i've never heard so many emptly promises and seen so many pathetic people who think they deserve a check every month from the government for doing absolutely NOTHING. what the hell happened to this country that is so bad that this is the kind of pussy leadership that we need? take some responsibility with your life and go out and earn your own friggin living. screw you liberal ass clowns.

true, a bunch of annonymous donors with no check on where these funds came from....how shady is that? how much Hamas and Hezbollah money went to getting this loser into office? what other inspirational factoids can you give us about the messiah?

(dang Rodpeters.. take a breath brother.. (and punctuation is good to use once in awhile)

I'm still frightened of Obama.. but he's too smart to come on like a left wing nut, even though he is very left wing (but he's not a nut).

I think a guy like him has a much better chance of getting left wing agendas passed. And wait until it's time to appoint judges.. we're going to see some scary guys on the bench.

I can't wait for the Supreme Court nominations.


Hans

#44 | Posted by Hans

Either can the good old boys from Chicago.

Every day Obama dissapoints me, not in his manner or communication skills, but in his abandonment of positions and policies that won him the primary.

Still, I really like Obama and do not have to feel embarrassed to be an American when he opens his mouth, which made the last 8 years unbearable.

But, by what logic is a $700 billion giveaway to a pack of Wall Street thieves "liberal"? It is a shifting of cost from rich conservative tax dodging citizens to ordinary taxpayers. Same shit, different day.

It is necessary because our Government is bankrupt and needs to continue to borrow from the foriegner lenders Wall Street just screwed. But no politician will publically admit this fact, since it undermines the Government's credibility and legitimacy. Every Democrat and Republican understands this or the parties will not let them run.

Democrats have massive majorities these days not because they waffle hither and yon but because their historic principles

Democrats don't waffle? I guess 0bama and Reid aren't Democrats then.

"Historic principles?" Democrats are Republicans with a 'D' after their name and vice versa (and all that implies).

I think BHO is smart enough not to pull a Bill/Hillary that caused the country to run to the polling booth 2 years later and put the brakes on the Democrat dream.

Exactly how does implementing the left wing agenda benefit BHO in 4 years? If you really want another Newt to rise up and spoil all your fun, have a ball.

All that talk about divisive Republican behavior?!?...LOL!

it's difficult to "act like you've won" when the other side handed the election to you while bent over taking a douche from the msm.

may he live up to an nth of what he's promised.

"it's difficult to "act like you've won" when the other side handed the election to you while bent over taking a douche from the msm."

Maybe you really do believe that but tell me...did the MSM force John to declare the "fundamentals of our economy are strong"?
I think most voters decided he was hopelessly out of touch with reality and then he asked Palin to be his "Vee Pee" (TM Sarah Palin) and America just rolled its collective eyes.
Placing that moron one heart beat away from the presidency sealed the fate of John McCain and I think he knows it from the comments, or should I say the refusal to comment from him and his family lately.
Barack should "act like he won" because he absolutely did and this is an historic opportunity to destroy Reaganomics once and for all.

"Exactly how does implementing the left wing agenda benefit BHO in 4 years?"

Er.....prosperity is usually a popular thing to bring to America, especially after 30 years of stagnant wages and wealth consolidation for the top 1%.

then these ships off of Singapore might get moving again?

216.252.110.31

sorry the link of lots & lots of ship mooring off the coast of Singapore ~ because of the global slump ~ didn't make it here

The Big O did not run as a liberal and is not now acting like a liberal.

Her was never sold as anything but a centrist and surely is a centrist today. Corporations contributing to his cause knew what havoc Bush was wreaking and that The Big O will not change the system, or corporate hit squads would have gotten him by now.

I hope for some Obama action to please those who worked hardest for him, something truly progressive so the righties smugly giggling get something real. herm


Obama ran as a Lefty, Left of Hil in the Primary, and as a centrist Left of McCain in the general.

Obama ran as a Lefty, Left of Hil in the Primary, and as a centrist Left of McCain in the general.


#58 | Posted by Corky

Yep.

but Obama offered Jerusalem to the Gaza heroes according to the American Congress & Press last May:>)

am sure he is wearing depends because he is shitting himself so often.

#40 | Posted by cabo_vato at 2009-01-14 07:52 PM |

And pissing himself like a little girl.

#41 | Posted by cabo_vato at 2009-01-14 07:54 PM | Reply |

Flagged as smelly.


Cabo Vato's obsession with bladder and bowel control is telling.

But please don't tell.

WS and scat is wheres it's at.

***"Democrats have massive majorities these days not because they waffle hither and yon but because their historic principles have been vindicated by events."***

Seriously!?!? Where does this guy get this crap? After years of Bush's mistakes and failed policies being broadcast all over the world, this idiot thinks it was liberal principles that won the election.


***"There is very little liberalism in DC.
There is very little conservatism in DC.


There are an unelected elite, neo-libs and neo-cons, who use the sophisticated proganda network of the MSM in order to seek ascendency over each others agendas by manufacturing consent and public opinion under the guise of reflecting and responding to public opinion." SPUD***

Well said. Don't agree with a great deal of what you say, but this is pretty good.


Left, right, it doesn't matter. Obama will weigh his options no matter the subject in the court of political opinion & polls, see how it will affect him personally & make decisions accordingly just like every other self serving political hack currently in office. He'll just get a pass on it from the press to make sure the court of "public opinion" thinks he's a nice guy & cares for each & every one of them like a loving older brother. There is NO leadership on either side & very little to give hope to finding any on the horizon.

"Barack should "act like he won" because he absolutely did and this is an historic opportunity to destroy Reaganomics once and for all."

Obama didn't win so much as Bush lost by abandoning the principles that helped him WIN twice in the first place. This is true no matter how you try to spin it. Still a win is a win I suppose. The American people won't let BO go too far left because while you can kid yourself all day long, but most people are not libs & do not support the agenda & certainly not where they live. You'd like to think no matter how scary the thought that he would be true to his principles & those of his lefty friends who bought him the election but if it jeopardizes HIS power, he won't. This may be the first time in history that a politician lying to get elected is the BEST thing for the country. It is "historic"! Flip-flop away Barry! We're with you!

Er.....prosperity is usually a popular thing to bring to America,

#54 | Posted by danni

Do you mean like LBJ and Carter did?

What they both did for the US is realy hard to explain.

"Er.....prosperity is usually a popular thing to bring to America,"

Particulary prosperity promised to those who do little if anything to ensure their own paid for by taking from those who do. Nothing gets the under-acheivers going like something for nothing!

"Nothing gets the under-acheivers going like something for nothing!"

Posted by Paris Hilton

***"But, by what logic is a $700 billion giveaway to a pack of Wall Street thieves "liberal"?"***NUTCASE

Maybe this is why. It's not $700 billion, but why aim so low:

money.cnn.com

"Posted by Paris Hilton"

Prior to taking her prime seat at the inauguration of the chosen one. "that's hot"

"Particulary prosperity promised to those who do little if anything to ensure their own paid for by taking from those who do. Nothing gets the under-acheivers going like something for nothing!"

So prosperity should _not_ be brought to people in the U.S.? Or is the idea to identify those who deserve prosperity and make sure it only comes to them? Interesting argument.

***"So prosperity should _not_ be brought to people in the U.S.? Or is the idea to identify those who deserve prosperity and make sure it only comes to them? Interesting argument."***

No, it is the idea that those who earn prosperity should have it. But there are many that have prosperity that have not earned it on there own ("trust fund babies"), but I'm sure the government will eventually have the power to find someone more deserving of that prosperity.

AILTD: Said nothing about who deserves it or not. It's this idea that everyone works equally hard for prosperity which is BS.

"AILTD: Said nothing about who deserves it or not. It's this idea that everyone works equally hard for prosperity which is BS."

Just as saying that prosperity is allocated according to how hard someone works. That is real BS
No one, no matter who they are, is "earning" the millions that the corporate CEOs have been gettng even though they run companies into the ground.

No one, no matter who they are, is "earning" the millions that the corporate CEOs have been gettng even though they run companies into the ground.

I disagree with that because if you have the skill set to be a CEO there is nothing wrong with getting paid what the job is worth. Not the "feel good", "it's not fair" worth, but in terms of the business itself. I do agree with you that with all of the perks these guys get, there isn't enough accountability if the company tanks. I do find it ironic that we expect CEOs to take responsibility for all things bad in their respective businesses & yet we let our own elected officials get by with most anything & continue to elect them? Everyone is more than willing to hang the CEOs out to dry as a retirement stealing, family destroying, bastards. The same argument on accountability could be applied to those who live above their means but we feel sorry for them ass opposed to the evil CEO? Its just differing degrees of what we're willing to put up with & from whom largely determined by class warfare & wealth envy. People have got to stop looking for someone to blame & sue all the time & take control of their own lives. This is what happens when you always look to others. Dangerous path to say the least.

"No, it is the idea that those who earn prosperity should have it." - JWIL

And you can define/deliniate exactly who those are? Or is the "earn prosperity" concept just some moral judgement on your part?

"It's this idea that everyone works equally hard for prosperity which is BS."

True. Lots of mantras about work are also BS. But if prosperity is indeed brought to the U.S., either everyone will be somehow affected, or someone must deliniate who can and who can't. Don't see any other point in bringing up the statement you made.

Reading the righties reminds me of a dad boxing his 10-year-old's ears and explaining "That's for nothing. Just wait 'til you do something." President O had just better watch out. herm

I wish prosperity for everyone, who doesn't? I just have a problem with this idea that everyone is "equal" in their efforts & choices to help gain that prosperity. I'm by no means morally superior or judging anyone. If anything my own experiences have led me to where I am because when I was honest with myself that I was broke due to my own choices I stopped being broke. That's all I'm saying.

"That's all I'm saying."

Then perhaps you should say just that. A worthwhile opinion which doesn't throw a blanket condemnation on a non-defined subgroup gets the point across very well.

Point taken Dad.
Explain how the term "blanket condemnation" applies when the entire point I've made has been in regards to individual persons & the choices they may or may not make?

"Explain how the term "blanket condemnation" applies when the entire point I've made has been in regards to individual persons & the choices they may or may not make? "

You didn't specify any individual persons. Which was why I asked how you defined which were which. And hence the "blanket condemnation".

***"And you can define/deliniate exactly who those are? Or is the "earn prosperity" concept just some moral judgement on your part?"***

Prosperity should be "defined/deliniated" by the individual, since prosperity is a quite subjective term. If you're not happy with your level of prosperity, look for ways to improve that situation. "Moral judgement"? The only judgements that I see being applied are either by people pissed that others have wealth and they don't, people that have wealth and are pissed that a portion is being taken and given to those who don't have wealth (and are perceived as lazy and undeserving of that bit of wealth), or by the government, which sets the tax codes and manipulates the monies as they see fit. Prosperity being "brought" or given to Americans just goes against my grain. So to answer your question, I have no part in the judgement, moral or otherwise, of ones prosperity, and neither should you.

***"Reading the righties reminds me of a dad boxing his 10-year-old's ears and explaining "That's for nothing. Just wait 'til you do something.""HANS***

?

People often being broke due to their own choices isn't individual enough? Forgive me. I thought it was pretty much a given.

jwil72

Uh..... Ditto

Thanks! What he said...

unless your a "she" in which case

What she said....

"I hope for some Obama action to please those who worked hardest for him, something truly progressive"

#57 | Posted by herm

Did it sting when he picked a tax evader for SoT?

He'll never be the arrogant ass that Bush was amd is. If that is what Frank wants, it ain't gonna happen!

go liberals,after todays vote on SCHIP (House votes health insurance for 4M more children) i can now drop my kids health ins.and put in on the taxpayer back.what shall i do with my $540 a month winfall?

#23 | Posted by semtex111 at 2009-01-14 06:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Pay your past dues to the Klan?

"I disagree with that because if you have the skill set to be a CEO there is nothing wrong with getting paid what the job is worth."

If they were worth the money their companies would, at least, be profitable. They get so much money because bypically boards of directors are made up of members of a wealthy clique who scratch each other's backs. Japanese companies kick many of our companies butts but their CEOs make a fraction of what our incompetent greed fuckers often get.
Just because someone is paid a lot doesn't mean they earn it or deserve it.

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