No surprise. Has there ever been a politician that even intended to keep half the campaign promises he made? They still get elected though.

Apparently you can fool most of the people most of the time.

Who didn't see this coming a light year out?

Don't you mean LIE?

Don't you mean LIE?

#3 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-12 02:46 PM

It's interesting that you are so comfortable calling Obama a liar for things he hasn't done yet.
Are you as comfortable calling Bush and his administration liars for the things they have said/done?

It's not fooling so much as complete lack of an alternative. Lesser of two evils and all that shit.

You mean this may not be the second coming of Christ? Anything short of that will be a letdown to most.

Not all fairy tales start with "Once upon a time"

There's a whole series that begin "If elected, I promise..."

#6 Posted by Asshat

I don't know why but that just reminded me of that clip where a girl is saying, "he's gonna put gas in my tank and pay my mortgage for me". Man, some people are seriously clueless.

I seem to vaguely recall some fulfilled promises by Bush about increasing home-ownership during his tenure like never before. That's the kind of record that stands up to close scrutiny, and should be backed again and again and again and again.

That was fast

Clinton's Fourth Term's fault. Should have elected a Republican in 2000 and 2004.

The Right

Campaign promises are nothing more than a dream. We still have to have some faith in Obama. He seems more on top of things than any president elect I can remember.

BTW... Bush is not responsible for the credit crunch. It is all the people that got mortgages and second mortgages and home equity loans and credit card debt, bankruptcy and more debt.

YOU KNOW ANYONE LIKE THAT????? LOL.

That was the real problem. The people that lived beyond their means!!!! Still is the problem!

tools.

Obama has 4 years to get the DOJ to investigate the current admin and get the ball rolling for trials.

If he doesn't do that, he will not get a second term.

"Obama has 4 years to get the DOJ to investigate the current admin and get the ball rolling for trials."

You democrats are dillusional. There are not going to be any trials. I hope for your sake you get over your mental illness and go about your life.

I'm not a democrat, loser.

The VP admitted war crimes on TV for fucks sake.

Too bad you care more about party than country.

I find it dastardly that there are people out there not clamouring for Dubya and Cheney'a arrest and prosecution for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. How dare we hold up other Country's leaders if we don't hold up our own.

Larry

I find it dastardly that there are people out there not clamouring for Dubya and Cheney'a arrest and prosecution for war crimes and crimes against Humanity. How dare we hold up other Country's leaders if we don't hold up our own.

Why stop there Larry? How about every ranking member and party leaders of both Houses? Do they not deserve the same scrutiny? Have they not been complicit by failing to stop these so called crimes? Or do they get the obligatory pass for being misled and fooled?

"Obama has 4 years to get the DOJ to investigate the current admin and get the ball rolling for trials...If he doesn't do that, he will not get a second term." #14 | Posted by Alexandrite

"Obama: Focus not on probing Bush administration"

"But the president-elect stressed that he believes "that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards."

Last time I checked the Executive Branch was responsibile for being the Civilian Leadership for the Military Crispee. Nor is the Congress responsible for the CIA and FBI. That is the Executive Branch. You won't grasp that very fact now will you?? Get a fucking clue Crispee next time.

Larry

"The VP admitted war crimes on TV for fucks sake."

No he didn't. War crimes are committed against recognized armies of recognized countries. A few ragheads wearing civilian clothing and hiding in a mosque do not constitute a legal army.

Of course don't let the facts get in the way Alexandrite.

Now if you want a real investigation of real crimes lets investigate Barney Frank, Chriss Dodd, and the rest of the democrats who were involved in the mortgage scheme with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Obama is just conditioning the populace for the giant let down of not getting anything done.

Hey idgit. The people in Gitmo are entitled to Geneva Convention protections found in Article 3 of said organ BuzKiller. So You see You are full of shit.

Larry

Last time I checked the Executive Branch was responsibile for being the Civilian Leadership for the Military Crispee. Nor is the Congress responsible for the CIA and FBI. That is the Executive Branch. You won't grasp that very fact now will you?? Get a fucking clue Crispee next time.

Larry

Really? Then I guess the funding and oversight come from the Execuive Branch as well genius? Will you ever grasp the fact Congress was INFORMED about the so called tactics and signed off on everything. So I ask you again why they get a free pass?

Who gives the orders Crispee?? The Legislative Branch or the Executive Branch Numbskull.

Larry

Oh and war crimes not only occur against Military targets they also pertain to civilian targets and civilian areas as well. So Pray Tell how can You justify not seeking the arrest and conviction of Dubya and Cheney BuzKiller??

Larry

Will you ever grasp the fact Congress was INFORMED

Only a few, like Mss Pelosi and Harmon. Harmon wanted the evidence preserved. Pelosi took impeachment off the table because a real investigation would meant the end of her career.

They all play to the audience, but backstage they are thick as thieves.

Only a few, like Mss Pelosi and Harmon. Harmon wanted the evidence preserved. Pelosi took impeachment off the table because a real investigation would meant the end of her career.

They all play to the audience, but backstage they are thick as thieves.

#28 | Posted by OzarkAggie at 2009-01-12 10:27 PM

Amen to that. Larry has this one tracked mind and can't get past his disdain for Bush and Company. Now he advocates charging the POTUS with crimes during war if civilians die.

The Iraq War was an Illegal Act of aggression Crispee can You not grasp THAT?? We held the Germans that were in charge guilty of War Crimes and Crimes against Humanity during the Nuremburg trials. Do You not understand this Crispee?? They perpetrated War Crimes and yet You want to blame the ones who did not order them done. AMAZING simply amazing,

Larry

The Iraq War was an Illegal Act of aggression Crispee can You not grasp THAT??

Approved by Congress. Funded by Congress. Let me know when this little fact gets gets through.

BTW Larry,
Obama has kept most of Bush's security team and I am curious if he should be charged for the same crimes if any civilians or enemies die?

Only if the UN approved. They didn't approve therefore it's Illegal but nice try once again Crispee. For if the AUMF of October 2002 gave Dubya permission to wage war in Iraq why did He lie and use the AUMF that was made days after September the eleventh 2001?? Yep You guest it.

Larry

Larry hates anything to do with America and will embrace anyone that opposes her.

Including the worst terrorists and despots on earth.

That's just fact.

Only if the UN approved.

I see. Ony if the UN approves can a war be legal. So your post crying about people not clamouring for Bush and Companys arrest was not limited to here but worldwide. Gotcha.

Sorry Crispee we agreed to the terms in the UN Resolutions. If You want Your Country to act against the UN Rules that let Me remind You that the United States founded then tell Your Congressman/Woman to remove the United States from the UN and all that jazz. Sorry You don't understand Crispee.

Larry

And I suppose there are people who wonder why I coined the word MohrOn.

At the very least the Gang of 8 has culpability because they were aware of the intel and its problems. Rockefeller's "letter in the safe" should be shoved up his ass.

They knew Bush was pushing propaganda, and if he was unaware, they didn't counsel him.

They didn't inform the American people either.

Rockefeller's "letter in the safe" should be shoved up his ass.

The same Rockefeller who went to the ME a few months before the invasion. Would like to thank him for giving them the heads up we were coming.

The last time I checked Mike Siesel the ones who control the Military have ultimate responsibility or do You even grasp that consept with Your assinine arrogance Mike Siesel. Of sourse some of us know the tyruth about You Mike Siesel ehhhhhhhhhh fuckstain.

Larry

does this mean that the only 'legal' wars (what a fucking oxymoron...) since the UN Charter were the Korean War (a 'police action' still unresolved), the first Gulf War, & the bombing of Serbia (still have UN peacekeepers there...maybe in 56 years like Korea, it will still remain unresolved)? wow! run-on sentence! so, does this mean that the dozens of wars going on at any given time are illegal?

where in the Geneva Convention does it allow you to fire-bomb Dresden, Tokyo, Berlin, etc.? should we dig up 'ol Roosevelt's bones and try him for war crimes? and what was legal about our war against Germany? there was no self-defense. Japan attacked us...we declared war on them. so, by YOUR reasoning Larry & unfortunately you're not alone, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon & of course G. W. Bush should be brought up on war crimes. but you don't mean THAT. it's just THIS war & THIS president... yea, you've got a great grip on reality man.

Let's go through Your list shall we

Korea the first UN Declared War.
Gulf War 1 was an UN Declared war with UN Resolution 678
Serbia IE Bosnia and Kosovo were NATO actions.
Germany was bombing our shipping vessels Pre Pearl Harbor and they officially declared war upon the United States December 11 1941 Hence a Self Defense action
Japan attacked the United States to they attacked us first meaning Self Defense

Now what say You??

Larry

Only a few, like Mss Pelosi and Harmon. Harmon wanted the evidence preserved. Pelosi took impeachment off the table because a real investigation would meant the end of her career.

They all play to the audience, but backstage they are thick as thieves.

#28 | Posted by OzarkAggie at 2009-01-12 10:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I absolutely agree. Anyone "in the know" should be tried alongside Bush and Cheney.

Oh and the Geneva Conventions started AFTER WW2. It was in response to the dastardly deeds ALL sides perpetrated during that gruesome war.

Larry

how about 1864. and it was in response to a little war the newphew of napoleon (the 3rd) started. he wasn't near as good as uncle... oh, & the battle the guy witnessed was Solferino. the writings of a guy who was so moved by the horrors he witnessed to start the international red cross were also the catalyst for the Geneva Convention of 1863 (took effect in '64). you are referring to the Fourth convention... look them up. they all deal with the conduct of POWs, CIVILIANS, & combatants that have dispersed (i.e. dropped their arms & quit fighting).

thanks for citing my examples. you are reiterating my point. we were shipping weapons & aide to Germany's enemy...& we were supposed to be a non-beligerent country. kinda like if the USSR said o Kennedy, 'those missle shipments to Cuba are non-participation in any little quarrel you might have with said island'. the greater point is that there are dozens of wars going on at any given time. which are 'legal'? the only UN sanctioned 'wars' I can think of are those we've mentioned.

and the greatest point is that all wars are a crime against humanity. it's like calling a specific crime a 'hate crime'. just because you may aggree or gain legality for a specific war doesn't make it any cleaner of a business nor express less of a failure by politicians.

Don't you mean LIE?

#3 | Posted by shirtsbyeric at 2009-01-12 02:46 PM

It's interesting that you are so comfortable calling Obama a liar for things he hasn't done yet.
Are you as comfortable calling Bush and his administration liars for the things they have said/done?

#4 | POSTED BY DARTHCHENEY

I never voted for Bush so I'm comfortable in calling you a Obama licking troll. Politicians lie, even your boyfriend Obama.

"It's interesting that you are so comfortable calling Obama a liar for things he hasn't done yet."

But it's perfectly OK to celebrate him & worship him for things he hasn't done yet? You can't have it both ways. This is not a surprise. The irony is, he's not talking to the people who didn't support him, he's talking to those the "owes". The rest of us are smart enough to know there is no quick fix. This is going to be fun to watch.

They knew Bush was pushing propaganda, and if he was unaware, they didn't counsel him.

They didn't inform the American people either.

They don't have a flag for "Most Intellectually Honest" but that deserves one for sure!

"Who didn't see this coming a light year out?"

Er...."The fundamentals of our economy are strong."

There were a few who saw this coming but not any of the righties here who are now accusing Obama of being a liar. It was only a few months ago that Paulson and Bush sounded the alarm that we were heading into a DEPRESSION WORSE THAN THE GREAT DEPRESSION OF 1929.....other than a few who always predict gloom and doom none of the most prominent politicians was predicting anything like what has occurred. Obama will probably be president for 8 years and thus his objectives will probably be possible though not during the first two years of his administration. I doubt he will leave office without attempting to fulfill most of his promises and hopefully succeeding on most of them. Sure the REpublicans have done everything they could to the economy to prevent any possible reforms but I doubt that their attempts to sabotage the Obama administration will do more than just delay his agenda.

Hopefully the delays include pissing away $1T.

Tell me, pissing away $1T is worth how much?

Our money is not worth a damn thing in reality so our government has figured out print print print, it hurts us none.

Tell me, pissing away $1T is worth how much?

Our money is not worth a damn thing in reality so our government has figured out print print print, it hurts us none.

#50 | Posted by moneywar

Creating make-work jobs that will require additional funding in the future will.

Do you suppose flushing trillions down the toilet has anything to do with this problem?

Why did Obama say yes to bailing out the very crooks that drove the country over the precipace in order to line their own pockets. Could their finacing of his campaign have anything to do with it?

For every thousand losers on Wall Street their's a corresponding massive winner. Where did the money go? Is anyone going to be prosecuted? Or is it going to be buried in order to maintain a false front of legitimate leadership? Bonuses remain in vogue, whether robbed from bailout funds, illegal energy trades or another Corporate Bankruptcy. Just don't you try anything like that.

"Could their finacing of his campaign have anything to do with it?"

I just don't believe that. I think he was afraid that the dire prediction coming from Paulson and Bush could very well have been true. Considering what a massive depression would be like I think he believed that the bailout was the most responsible course of action. Maybe I am naive, the next four or eight years will tell.

What a fucking suprise. And you idiots believed him......Donot try to blame thgis on Bush, everyone knew how bad it was and you still believed him.
Oh baby, I won't come in your mouth I promise.. FOOLS

cum

"Obama: Recession Delays Campaign Promises"

How quickly "Hope For Change" has become "Change Your Hopes."

Still, it's gotta be better than having McThusaleh and Caribou Barbie trying to fix this meltdown.

Still, it's gotta be better than having McThusaleh and Caribou Barbie trying to fix this meltdown.

#56 | Posted by MaryTylerWhore

Your right. Those 2 aren't smart enough to figure out how to piss away that much money in the first week.

"How quickly "Hope For Change" has become "Change Your Hopes."

That is a great line. I'm going to be using it because boy does it sum it up.

FF!

Clinton's Fourth Term's fault. Should have elected a Republican in 2000 and 2004.

The Right

#11 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009

damn son

you are one clever fellow......

"Donot try to blame thgis on Bush, everyone knew how bad it was and you still believed him."

"The fundamentals of our economy are strong."

No, everyone did not know how bad things were INCLUDING you!
I would have to say that probably the last people who saw this coming were Republicans who supported Bush in the last two elections. No one who supported deregulation can claim to have seen it coming. No one that ever believed in the great "Bush Economy" can claim to have seen it coming.

"How quickly "Hope For Change" has become "Change Your Hopes."

I will STEAL THIS LINE as well.........

and you can tell in this speech....its almost official ..the campaign of 2012 has begun..

so how many days until election day????

Hilarious that a thread about Obama breaking campaign promises turns into a whine-fest about how Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted for war crimes. Was that even one of his promises, or just more wishful thinking from the left, who liked to project their fantasies onto the blank slate that was/is Barack?

Get over it. Bush and Cheney will not even be investigated, much less prosecuted, and Obama will not do 1/4 of what he claimed he would do. And you morons will vote for him again anyways.

Its the fuckin Clinton administration, and making Leon the head of the cia, with not an iota of experience and Hillbillary as sec of state is a clue this aint gonna work.

Leon's on record about not torturing people...

Dick Cheney warns of security risk if Barack Obama bans waterboarding

Nice Excuse!

This is the best political lie I have heard since Clinton said 'I did not inhale'.

"Its the fuckin Clinton administration, and making Leon the head of the cia, with not an iota of experience and Hillbillary as sec of state is a clue this aint gonna work."

Yeah, just can't compare to the expertise exhibited by "No one could ever have imagined" Rice and "I received the Medal of Freedom for failure" Tenet.

Sad attempts by righties are pretty laughable these days.

Man this thread has shown the fastest deflections I've seen since Tron in the game pit.

"US president-elect Barack Obama will not allow waterboarding under his watch but outgoing Vice-President Dick Cheney said yesterday the simulated drowning technique that Mr Obama and others say is torture had helped the US stop terrorist"

and in other remarks said that Bush was in charge and the he never over-stepped the authority of the "Vee Pee"(TM Sarah Palin) and thus isn't responsible.

And of course if Obama had kept all his promises in spite of the economic downturn the right would be screaming that he was "out of touch" and "idealistic". Its pretty simple to me; the economy tanked and he can't do what he wants.

Some folks sound like a little kid that was promised a pony and then dad lost his job. They cry and whine and have no perception about reality. The right will be gleeful since Obama is not the messiah and the left will cry that they were let down. The rest of us will act like adults and realize that tough decisions need to be made.

#33 Posted by Larry

Larry, if the UN does not approve of a war it does not make it illegal. Where did you get this thinking from? If that were the case then Israel and Palestine should both be up for war crimes right now. Anyway, I don't know why you think that the UN has to approve of every war.

Larry, if the UN does not approve of a war it does not make it illegal. Where did you get this thinking from? If that were the case then Israel and Palestine should both be up for war crimes right now. Anyway, I don't know why you think that the UN has to approve of every war.

Posted by everlong at 2009-01-13 04:10 PM | Reply

It is when the United States Government signs onto every document with regards to Iraq. We agreed to be held to the terms found in UN Resolutions 660 all the way to UN Resolution 1441. If we want to act roguely then tell Your congressperson to get out of the UN. Thank You

Larry

When do I get my check?

Obama never had any intention to keeping half the promises he made. He counted on the truly stupid to belief his crap. Hello morons, they guy never had any specifics on any plan and still doesn't it. It's all pretty flowery speeches. Duh!!!

The only change America will get is the color of the president in the White House.

Blah,blah,blah !!!! "I am so sorry for not being able to do what I promised. It's George Bush's fault that I can't be true to my word. He left me no option but to do everything his way". America absolutely deserves the pain it is going to reap from it's coward elect.

#74 | Posted by cpbcop

AGREED......

America absolutely deserves the pain it is going to reap from it's coward elect.

#74 | Posted by cpbcop at 2009-01-13 05:31 PM

We have been for the past eight years.

Obama: Recession Delays Campaign Promises

Gee, who saw this comming??????????

Yes "change we can believe it" indeed. We were warned not to support an administration that was, "more of the same".

We should have listened.

it = in

proof - this guy will screw up a two hotdog picnic.

Nanc-
The "Bush is the biggest fuck-up ever" thread is a few doors down.

(to the right)

It is when the United States Government signs onto every document with regards to Iraq. We agreed to be held to the terms found in UN Resolutions 660 all the way to UN Resolution 1441. If we want to act roguely then tell Your congressperson to get out of the UN....
#71 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-01-13 04:13 PM

um, I believe it was Iraq breaking all those resolutions...you know (C. Kennedy impersonation), part of the reason we invaded Iraq. even President Clinton warned before leaving office that the Iraq problem will come to a violent head (yes, he was for invading Iraq before Bush was plotting with Karl Rove on how they would divide up the world). You see it was Iraq that was the aggressor who invaded Kuwait & therefore required to adhere to a shit-load of UN resolutions (worthless) not the US.

yea, I dug up an old one. couldn't help it.