Movin' to New Mexico soon,

Gonna be a medical marijuana tycoon.

Zappa reference FTW.

Thread over. Dave WINs!

A shiny new internets fer Dave.

How would you like it wrapped?

Be Well.

/Wanna create "green jobs"
//Legalise marijuana.

This is an important state's right issue.

The feds need to get out of the way if there is no interstate commerce.

Where are the righties on this?

Do they reverse their state's right stance or do they stand by their principles and join the fight against Big Brother as represented by the DEA?

Fuck the DEA.

BILL RICHARDSON COULDN`T GET A JOB WITH OBAMA. HE FAILED DRUG TEST. HE SMOKES WEED...

I knew I shoulda turned right at Albuquerque.

"#5 | Posted by BADAOPHAY"

Apparently you eat paste.

"#5 | Posted by BADAOPHAY"

Apparently you eat paste.

#7 | Posted by LetUsPrey

And boogers.

Feds will shut us down...wait and see.

NM is the third poorest state in the Union--you REALLY think this will HELP New Mexico?

I'm vacuum out all the stale Bugles and Doritos from under my sofa cushions before the potheads come a-lookin'!

I'm vacuum out all the stale Bugles and Doritos from under my sofa cushions before the potheads come a-lookin'!

#9 | Posted by kirk

You keep a lot of them there?
On purpose??

Medical Mary Jane is allowed here is CA. There are pot stores everywhere.

I don't want pot legalized--but for medical purposes there is a need and for those folks they should have legal access.

for medical purposes there is a need and for those folks they should have legal access.

Agreed.

Murphy,
Give me one good reason why cigarettes and alcohol should be legal and marijuana should not be.

I suspect that once the Fed goes financially Tango Uniform, the States will go into survival mode and tell the Fed to stay outta State business.
I suppose BHO is more like Abe Lincoln than he first thought.

Got a date on that prediction, Nostradumass?

Do they reverse their state's right stance or do they stand by their principles and join the fight against Big Brother as represented by the DEA?

#3 | Posted by silver_ironist at 2009-01-10 05:03 PM | Reply |

You need to ask? The only States right ever concerned by the States Righters is the right to own slaves. No other right was ever in question. On all other issues, they look to the fed for help and guidance. Same here---look at Murphy's answer as a representative--she wants the Fed to rule over the States decisions.

If there were such a group seriously interested in States Rights, they would have stepped up to the plate in the 2000 election. Florida clearly had its States Rights raped by the USSC.

I find it funny people will go out of their way to justifu using their drug of choice while at the exact sqae time concdmnig others for loving their own addictive . Know what I mean.

Larry

They tried Prohibition and killed the economy and you know the history when it was illegal.

We would have half the country on pot and the half on alcohol.

And why bring cigarettes into the issue?

It is incredibly easy to get a doctor's prescription for pot--name any reason and you got it.

I guess you don't have a good reason. I didn't think so.
So, you believe that alcohol should be legal because outlawing it led to more problems than it caused and you can't understand that the same thing has happened with marijuana.
Every possible reason that anyone would have for making marijuana illegal would also apply to tobacco.

There is a reason marijuana is called "dope" and it has nothing to do with tobacco.

You should read up on the crime and deaths in the US during prohibition.

We have problems at the border with Mexican criminals and drug traffickers--but nothing compared to prohibition.

Medicinal pot is fine and legal in CA and like 11 other states. It is heavily regulated. And there is crime involved when burglars break into the shops and steal the entire inventory--covered by insurance of course. They apply depreciation like all other property.

Where are the righties on this?

Do they reverse their state's right stance or do they stand by their principles and join the fight against Big Brother as represented by the DEA?

I don't think I'm a "rightie" per se, but I feel that it should be a free choice. Put it on the ballot. Useage, as well as grow/possesion.

Murphy-
Actually, "dope" more commonly refers to heroin. Only the aged, the ignorant and fearful or the hopelessly un-hip refer to bud as "dope".

Betelg

Did you chase Gimme_a_Scotch away for good?

I haven't seen him around for awhile.

Bad, bad, boy betelg

CC-
I doubt it was me, but if it was I would feel bad about it almost.

Wrong Bet about using the word dope for pot. But that is such a petty issue, when the meaning is clear.

Murphy

Are you against pot because you may be a fanatical christian or because you are over 75 and just think illegal things should stay illegal? Both of which are just causes that maybe you should try it or at least do some research into why it is illegal. Think about it.....people who smoke pot are less likely to cause bar room brawls, drive erratically, kill people, and overall be a little calmer in comparison to people who are alcholics. If someone told me today that there will be more people on the roads smoking pot....i would feel a lot safer and i would know there would be a lot less road rage. Drinking causes more deaths and mayhem than smoking cigarettes or pot ever will.....and what should be banned? I think you CA people need to review what you think is dangerous before you set the course for the rest of the country.

Murphy-
Have you ever smoked marijuana?

(BTW, I'm right about the "dope" thing. I've heard marijuana smokers use the term "dope", but it's a rare usage and is generally considered a tell of ignorance or worse)

This is an important state's right issue

#3 | Posted by silver_ironist

Much like slavery was.

Cabo-
re: Much like slavery was.

Right. A state's right to license growers for medical marijuana is much like a state's right to permit the ownership of a human being

????

(BTW, what is your stance on the "state's rights/slavery" biz?)

My point is that slavery was a states rights issue.

Cabo-
Most people see it as a basic human rights issue that trumps "states rights" in any functioning human mind. The ownership of a human being as chattel, property to be dispensed with or traded as a commodity? What the fuck are you saying?

All the freebie's/social programs in NM attract enough criminals as it is....now this....what a waste.

"All the freebie's/social programs in NM attract enough criminals as it is....now this....what a waste."

People say the MOST ignorant shit.
Lets evolve!

Legalize it.

2nd. legalize it.

There is a reason marijuana is called "dope" and it has nothing to do with tobacco.

#21 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-01-10 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, it's called a great PR blitz by the William Randolph Hearst and the Govt.

Marijuana Time line excerpt;

William Randolph Hearst's newspaper empire fuels a tabloid journalism propaganda campaign against marijuana. Articles with headlines such as Marihuana Makes Fiends of Boys in 30 Days; Hasheesh Goads Users to Blood-Lust create terror of the killer weed from Mexico.

Through his relentless misinformation campaign, Hearst is credited with bringing the word marijuana into the English language. In addition to fueling racist attitudes toward Hispanics, Hearst papers run articles about marijuana-crazed negroes raping white women and playing voodoo-satanic jazz music.

Driven insane by marijuana, these blacks -- according to accounts in Hearst-owned newspapers -- dared to step on white men's shadows, look white people directly in the eye for more than three seconds, and even laugh out loud at white people. For shame!

I use pipe dope all the time. Of course You have to match the right dope with the right pipe type. Some people use that teflon tape and that's ok for certain things but Pipe dope is where it's at.

Larry

Still no legitimate reason to outlaw marijuana.
I didn't think so.
Murphy says that marijuana was called "dope" for a reason; implying that marijuana's hallucinogenic effects cannot be compared to tobacco's. I suggest that Murphy take a ride with my girlfriend after she's been to a family gathering where she can't smoke for about 10 hours and then lights up a cigarette after putting the car in drive.
You'll fear for your life.
There's no reason on earth that marijuana should be demonized while tobacco is embraced. The conservatives will continue to ignore the obvious; that's what they do.

Come on Murph we know that some of the growers also have their own hydroponic supply of off the charts bud.

The shit is so strong more then a couple of hits and your near tripping

We have lost this illegal war. Isn't it about time we cut and run?

If someone wants to sit at home and get wasted, it's nothing to me. Just keep them from behind the wheel of a car. Following a drunk or someone that is stoned is as bad as some talking on cell phones or giving to some tunes.

giving should be jiving. oh well.

Just keep them from behind the wheel of a car

True. But at least stoned people tend to drive slower, and decelerate far before the red light and stop signs. Drunks tend to drive fast and ignore lights.

But neither should be on the road, of course.

I know if I had a wasting disease and got prescribed medicinal marijuana for the pain, the first thing I would do is get wasted and drive to my favorite bar.

Actually, "dope" more commonly refers to heroin. Only the aged, the ignorant and fearful or the hopelessly un-hip refer to bud as "dope".

#23 | Posted by BetelG

I guess me and mine are un-hip. We having been calling weed "dope" since the late 60's.

"There's no reason on earth that marijuana should be demonized while tobacco is embraced."

#39 | Posted by RastaCyborg

Tobacco is hardly being "embraced" in this times. More cities and states are banning of tobacco use in public areas. More and more corporations are not allowing the use of tobacco anywhere on the premises. Other companies are refusing to hire those who smoke. Those who continue to use tobacco products are becoming more and more social pariahs.

Tobacco as a free use substance is fast coming to an end. And good riddance to it.

"We would have half the country on pot and the half on alcohol."

#19 | Posted by MURPHY

Kinda like it already is?

"It is incredibly easy to get a doctor's prescription for pot--name any reason and you got it."

Prove it. This just ain't so.

Amend your statement to:

"It is incredibly easy to get pot."

Legal or not, Herb is always easy to get hold of. I wouldn't know how to get any at this moment. And I choose not to: doesn't fit well into my JCP (Job Continuation Plan). But one or two phone calls and I could be partying with Herb this evening. Or I could just go hang about the park: Herb will be along.

Tobacco as a free use substance is fast coming to an end. And good riddance to it.

#46 | Posted by ZOT

So much for personal freedoms.

EVERY product that harms your body shoulld be illegal???????

Tobacco as a free use substance is fast coming to an end. And good riddance to it.

#46 | Posted by ZOT

So much for personal freedoms.

EVERY product that harms your body shoulld be illegal???????

#48 | Posted by cabo_vato

Do you/have you ever smoked cigarettes?

Yes i did, for 30 years.

Annual deaths per year due to cigarettes...nearly 5,000,000 worldwide.

"Hypocrisy and greed trump common sense and reason once again."

That hypocrisy and greed, is practiced equally from the left and the right in Washington DC.

Fuck the DEA.

"Number of deaths directly caused by the use of marijuana in recorded history....it's still 0."

Unfortunately that is not true. Car accident, Northern California, couple years ago. Driver stoned, ran red light, passenger died. I know it personally.

But, that being said, I am for the legalization of marijuana.

"Unfortunately that is not true"

Of course people do stupid things under the influence of pot. But there is no medical evidence that the effects of long-term marijuana smoking has killed anyone.

Pot doesn't kill...but stupidity can certainly be deadly.

Legalize, and place "under MJ influence" under similar restrictions as "under alcohol influence". Far too many resources are being used on a "war" that will never be "won", due to the fairly simple fact that MJ will always exist, and there will always be a "market" for it. I won't get into the hemp argument, we've done that here many times already.

Most people see it as a basic human rights issue that trumps "states rights" in any functioning human mind.

#32 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-01-10 11:18 PM | Reply

Pot smoking is a human rights issue?

Right along with
-the right to eat crappy snack food,
-the right to Taco Bell's Value Menu,
-the right to low expectations, even lower performance in work and school,
-the right to paranoia,
-the right to continue living in your parents basement/your same old crappy apartment,
-the right to wear tye-dye,
-the right to listen to Bob Marley,
-the right to lie to people about your drug use,
-the right to try to constantly hide your "stash,"
-the right to believe in "stupid shit" like conspiracy theories about the government and/or UFO's,
-the right to "settle" for real losers in your personal relationships,
-the right to watch 3x as much television,
-the right to completely forget what you were saying mid-sentence, the right to obsess over Les Claypool and/or Primus,
the right to NEVER get "Jerry Was a Racecar Driver" unstuck from your head,
-the right to be a hypocrite in front of your own kids ("just 'cause *I* was young and stupid..."),
-the right to think that thoughts of yours "are really deep" when lighting up when those same thoughts can usually be heard amongst 6 year olds,
-the right to refuse to "grow up"
-the right to spend inordinate amounts of time and labor on carpentry to make various bongs, pipes...

...Like Denis Leary said in "No Cure For Cancer"
The problem with drugs ISN'T that drugs lead to crime, it's that they lead to fucking carpentry!"

"Number of deaths directly caused by the use of marijuana in recorded history....it's still 0"

Give us the number of losers who could've achieved something if they didn't smoke, and then we'll start comparing numbers...

Like say the number of inventors of USEFUL products (various tye-dye products, fake products to hide your stash, aforementioned carpentry of bongs etc not included)...

FF for LarryMohr on pipe dope!

Like say the number of inventors of USEFUL products

The Pioneer spacecraft, that thing was pretty useful, huh? How about electricity? Ben Franklin had the largest "Indian Hemp" farm in America. Basically all the Fathers--except that stuffy John Adams--grew and smoked cannabis.
Ever read a book that wasn't crap? The author was a "pothead". Ever heard a song that wasn't crap? Ditto. Watched a movie....admired a painting.....

You are the descendent of stoners.

Ever read a book that wasn't crap? The author was a "pothead". Ever heard a song that wasn't crap? Ditto. Watched a movie....admired a painting.....

How is it you are aware of all of these artists' recreational habits?

BTW, one of my favorite musicians, (and IMO one of the most talented American composers of the 20th centurhy) Frank Zappa didn't smoke pot or do any drugs

BTW, one of my favorite musicians, (and IMO one of the most talented American composers of the 20th centurhy) Frank Zappa didn't smoke pot or do any drugs

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2009-01-12 09:36 AM | Reply

Ted Nugent either, which I find to be really strange considering his "act".

Ted Nugent either

I said, "..wasn't crap"....

I still wonder how you know all those artists smoke pot, r8?

I said, "..wasn't crap"....

#63 | Posted by r8rh8r at 2009-01-12 09:59 AM | Reply

I'm going to put you in a stranglehold baby...

I wasn't following the convo, I just saw the tid-bit about Zappa and followed up with Nugent.

I still wonder how you know all those artists smoke pot, r8?

I guess the same way you know Zappa never used any drugs. Never had a headache? Never needed a cough drop. Never had chapped lips....

You two must have been really close, huh?

I guess the same way you know Zappa never used any drugs.

I've heard him say it in several interviews, read it in magazine interviews, and he said it in an autobiography I wrote.

So are you saying that you have asked every author, composer, and painter if they have smoked pot and they all said, "yes"?

That is ludicrous, so again I ask, "How do you know all these artists have smoked pot?"

Never had a headache? Never needed a cough drop. Never had chapped lips..

Yes, but I took care of those issues with aspirin, and chapstick respectively -- not pot.

You two must have been really close, huh?

No. Why do you ask?

LOL

and he said it in an autobiography I wrote.
=
and he said it in an autobiography I read.

of course.

Zappa did not take drugs or drink alcohol and had campaigned against drug-taking since the 1960s. He also didn't permit his band members to take drugs on the road.

Did Zappa never use drugs? Unknown.

Was Zappa anti-drug? Yes, very.

I still remember the first Zappa tour shirt I ever saw and it said :Dope, you are what you take. Then there is the song "Cocaine Decisions" and the fact that Zappa fired any memeber of his band he caught using drugs.

to license marijuana dealers, requiring them to be non-profits

What drugs are they on...oh, right.

So R8, now that your deflection (without an answer to my original question) on Zappa has been answered, I still wonder how you know that all authors, musicians, and painters smoke pot?

What drugs are they on...oh, right.

FF

Best Zappa song... "She's only 13 and she knows how to nasty"

Did Zappa never use drugs? Unknown.

I think I heard him in an interview once say something to the effect, (I'm paraphrasing) "I tried pot once. I won't lie and say I didn't inhale. All it did was make my throat scratchy". I remember that one because it was right after Clinton made his now infamous claim.

Zappa fired any memeber of his band he caught using drugs.

#70 | Posted by kanrei

I remember an interview with Dan Aykryod with him saying that he and Balushi made sure there were no drugs on the SNL set.

Belushi

I remember an interview with Dan Aykryod with him saying that he and Balushi made sure there were no drugs on the SNL set.

#76 | Posted by cabo_vato at 2009-01-12 11:28 AM |

They did the "SNL Drug Test": quality and quantity.

The Pioneer spacecraft, that thing was pretty useful, huh? How about electricity? Ben Franklin had the largest "Indian Hemp" farm in America. Basically all the Fathers--except that stuffy John Adams--grew and smoked cannabis. Ever read a book that wasn't crap? The author was a "pothead". Ever heard a song that wasn't crap? Ditto. Watched a movie....admired a painting.....You are the descendent of stoners.

#60 | Posted by r8rh8r at 2009-01-12 09:30 AM | Reply

Dear Pothead,

Feel free to provide ANY evidence of your post above.

...Especially the part about ALL the Founding Fathers smoking pot (except John Adams, of course).

You MAY have to STOP smoking pot enough to concentrate...

...Or just call me names and smoke on....may I recommend Bad Brains "Sailin' On" as you do so...

George Washington was a pot smoker. They have letters sent from him during the RevWar to his plantation where he reminds them to separate the male and female hemp plants. The ONLY reason to do this is to that the female plants would bud.

Thomas Jefferson also had written that some of his greatest moments were sitting on his porch and smoking hemp.

I cannot say about the others.

Watch out though, r8rh8r,
I have flagged your comments and forwarded them to my associates with the black helicopters...

...What's the knocking at the door...

That's the best evidence you have, kanrei...that's not enough to enough CALL a grand jury, much less assemble one for the purpose of evaluating evidence.

Your internet is now being monitored, kanrei...

#82 | Posted by kirk at 2009-01-12 11:42 AM

I am not posting evidence, I am posting facts. You can look them up, ignore them, discount them, or mock them if you wish, but it does not alter reality.

Your internet is now being monitored, kanrei...

I am at work, it is always being monitored.

I love all these, old foggies on here calling everyone pot head. Similarly humorous are those who use the fallback position about people wasting their lives smoking pot and not being productive members of society. That's a stereotype. The truth is, weed is not physically addictive (unlike alcohol). The truth is a lot of tax money could be made by the legal sale.

If you've never tried it (or only tried it once in high school) perhaps you should try it before condemning it. You might actually like it and you may come back with the question so many others have, "what's the big deal?"

I've seen many a bar fight in my day driven from over consumption of alcohol. I've never seen someone stoned get into a fight. Well, at least one that didn't end with both parties in uproarious laughter anyway.

"An acre of the best ground for hemp, is to be selected and sewn in hemp and be kept for a permanent hemp patch." - Thomas Jefferson's Garden book 1849

"Make the most of the Indian hemp seed, and sow it everywhere!" -George Washington, The Writings of George Washington Volume 33, page 270 (Library of Congress), 1794

"The greatest service that can be rendered to any country is to add a useful plant to its culture." -Thomas Jefferson

"If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

Your internet is now being monitored

That's nothing new, or don't you read the news?

Personally I don't think this has anything to do with State's Rights, and everything to do with a federal agency that continues to classify cannabis as a Schedule One drug when it's therapeutic value is without question. In fact the VA dispenses it in capsule form to patients undergoing chemotherapy because of its effectiveness and relative cost.

...What's the knocking at the door...

A Cali State Officer here with my renewed medical card. W00T!

Goat,
I was responding to Kirk's hyperbolic statement that no toker had ever done anything of significance. I responded with a statement of hyperbole in kind. I know you aren't as dense as you're pretending here. So just get on with what we all know is next; you calling me a liar. It is your shtick; we're all used to it by now.

After that you can explain how someone who is admittedly addicted to caffeine can claim to be "drug free". Then explain how this miracle of human dexterity made it through life without an aspirin, vaccine, eye drop, IV,......

After that you can explain how someone who is admittedly addicted to caffeine can claim to be "drug free".

The same way most anti-drug people drink or "pro-life" people support capitol punishment.

caffeine can claim to be "drug free". Then explain how this miracle of human dexterity made it through life without an aspirin, vaccine, eye drop, IV,......

What do these things have to do with pot?

Ever read a book that wasn't crap? The author was a "pothead". Ever heard a song that wasn't crap? Ditto. Watched a movie....admired a painting

Time for Spin ver. 2.0, r8

What do these things have to do with pot?

At first I thought you were just playing stupid as part of your childish game. Now I'm not so sure.

No, a stupid person would not confuse pot with drugs in general, just as a stupid person would not confuse a Ford with automobiles in general.

You said 'pot'. I presumed you meant 'pot'. Am I wrong in that assumption? If so, was I supposed to read your mind, or what to know what you really meant?

You said 'pot'. I presumed you meant 'pot'. Am I wrong in that assumption?

You said 'drugs'. I presumed you meant 'drugs'. Am I wrong in that assumption?

Kanrei,
your quotes are ZERO evidence Jefferson and Washington SMOKED pot!

My neighbor had gerbils, but he didn't pull *a Richard Geere*!

I have a rotary grinder that's very useful, but I keep it away from my genitals.

Hemp is very useful;
Pot is for Taco Bell employees and customers....

Washington's 1765 diary entry contains the words ""Began to separate the Male from the Female hemp at Muddy hole--rather too late."

There is NO PURPOSE TO separate male from female except to allow the female to bud. There is NO OTHER PURPOSE FOR THAT.

Anybody wanna answer a substantive question?

-is this going to HELP the financial state of New Mexico, either in the state budget, or in individuals' incomes?

-is this going to HELP the financial state of New Mexico, either in the state budget, or in individuals' incomes?

Abstractly since they will not have to arrest, put on trial, or imprison growers.

Kanrei,
Never grown the stuff, I wouldn't know.

But I know a few farmers, and if one is breeding a crop, there certainly are compelling reasons to separate male and female crops.

If that's the BEST evidence you can come up with, you better hope for that 5 cent per hour raise from your 22 year old manager...

There's no pausity of documents on the Founding Fathers, it shouldn't be that hard.

If that's the BEST evidence you can come up with, you better hope for that 5 cent per hour raise from your 22 year old manager...

Done talking to you. Petty insults are the sign of a losing side.

So it'll help New Mexico's economy the same way legalizing meth, crack. Ectasy, rape and child porn laws would?

Got you.

All shown to adversely harm women and children.

You said 'drugs'. I presumed you meant 'drugs'. Am I wrong in that assumption?

No. I used drugs in the same context zappa used it in: Illegal drugs. Go to the online merriam-webster dictionary and look at definition #3.

Now once again, you have spun instead of answering my question first.

How was I supposed to know you meant something other than pot when you said pot?

Spin ver. 3.0 coming right up! LOL

K,
Females will still 'bud' with males present or not. If you fail to get one male in time (about 3 weeks before the equinox or 2 days after light is switched to 12on 12off) you will have seed in the buds.
Without males the females get 'agitated' and produce more bud sites and more resin in the hope of catching some pollen. Washington knew this of course. If you are growing for the medicinal effects you are after buds sites and resin (THC), if you are just growing for fiber (as Kirk suggest) you wouldn't trouble yourself with sexing at all.

Thanks R8R,
Either way, it shows Washington was into it for more than just the stems and seeds.

look at definition #3.

Why 3? Does #2 and #1 not fit your 'standards'?

We can continue to play your pissant game of petty semantics if you wish. However, it is only fair that both sides play by the same rules. You didn't say "illegal drugs" you said "drugs". Spin it all you want but caffeine is still a drug. So is aspirin, codeine, and benadryl. Pot should be treated (and once was) the same as any of those drugs.....that is kinda the point.....

Hemp is very useful;
Pot is for Taco Bell employees and customers....

#93 | Posted by kirk

That commentary lost you your cred, dunsel.

All shown to adversely harm women and children.

So does religion.

Now once again, you have spun instead of answering my question first.

Did you not read:
""I was responding to Kirk's hyperbolic statement that no toker had ever done anything of significance. I responded with a statement of hyperbole in kind.""
???

That's the best answer I have to your "question". If you missed it, there it is again. If you don't understand it, sorry I can't help ya. If you don't accept it, that's a you problem.

KIRK, "So it'll help New Mexico's economy the same way legalizing meth, crack. Ectasy, rape and child porn laws would?

Got you.

All shown to adversely harm women and children."

Precisely what do rape and child porn have to do with medical marijuana?

This argument seems to spring up every time someone proposes making something that is illegal, legal. Most of the time the argument comes from some right-wing nut-job. Since I don't know you KIRK, can't say if you're a right-winger, a nut-job, neither, or both.

That commentary lost you your cred, dunsel.

Kirk has (had) cred?

Either you're smoking too much pot, or not enough. **passes a cherried spliff of 3 month cured NorthernBerry to Zot**

Didn't the feds decide medical mj would remain illegal.
They threatened to withhold fed funds to force states to comply?

Hope NM takes them full on.

Either you're smoking too much pot, or not enough. **passes a cherried spliff of 3 month cured NorthernBerry to Zot**

#108 | Posted by r8rh8r

Sorry. Must pass. Not in my JCP. TFTOT.

Got no clue as to what NorthernBerry be anywho.

My cannabilogical lore comes from the days of yore, the Wasted Days of the 70s and 80s, when all the good flaves came from out country:

- Columbian Gold (my personal favorite, golden chocolate taste, fine scent, color like beaten gold, mellow, $25/fluffy oz)

- Thai (tie) stick

- Maui Wowie

- Panama Red

- Columbian Red

- Sinsemilla (Mex.)

- Joahacan (Mex.)

- African Black (buds as big as your fist, most rare, most enstupicating, make no plans for the rest of the day/night)

Just to mention a few.

And the oils: green, red, up through the Autumn colors, but Honey Oil was the peak of the peak, pure, golden, just a small drop in glass sippy pipe, heat slow and sip it just sip it - make sure you be already sat.

Now what you boys are smoking these days is beyond bizarre and it just ain't natural. All these hybrids and ponic plants, hothouse factory grown, Canukian cannabis??? What's up with that? Like GM Franken-toke!

But those days of daze be gone in the wind like so much burnt herb. I made my contract with the Man. A choice. A small sacrifice. I can deal. But when they legalize I will realize.

But those days of daze be gone in the wind like so much burnt herb. I made my contract with the Man. A choice. A small sacrifice. I can deal. But when they legalize I will realize.

Same here, zot. I gave up in the '80s when my 5 YO son found my bong. Smoking post wasn't worth having to explain why I could and he couldn't later on. So I quit.

Now that he has grown, I've made my deal with the man, too. But the way I see it, I'll retire well off (and hopefully early -- looking good so far) and can smoke again then. Also, I can now afford fine liquor, wine, and beer that I never could before. I never realized what I was missing.

Also, I've had all the above in your list except African Black. We brought back 10 kilos of Thai stick when I was in the Navy. We had to wrap it up real good and hide it in a void space under a deck plate because the smell was so potent. Also add to the list Kona bud we used to get when I was stationed in Pearl Harbor, and we smoked Pakistani hash for a year after getting it in Karachi for $100/kilo! It was so cheap we used it like dip -- just a pinch between the cheek and the gum.

Oh yeah, the price -- in HS we used to get the Mexican varieties for $100/lb. We'd make 10 one oz lids and sell them for $10/ea. The other six oz we smoked ourselves. I remember the first time I bought Kona bud, 1976. The guy wanted $25/qtr oz. I was appalled at the price! But he said it would be worth it.

It was.

What does good pot go for these days? I've heard it is as much as $400/oz. Is this true?!?

Why do I talk to sooo many people who USED TO smoke pot who now regret it?

And yes, the same goes for drunkards and cigarette smokers...

Could it be that they realized that WE are supposed to have dominion over plants and animals, and that they WERE under the dominion of plants?

Could it be that they realized that WE are supposed to have dominion over plants and animals, and that they WERE under the dominion of plants?

#113 | Posted by kirk at 2009-01-12 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure that's it.... and it took so long for such a prophet to see the totality of life as it actually is (excepting Jesus, of course). Do you have a book contract that will soon display your wisdom? Have you spoken with Oprah?

So Goatman, I was right earlier, huh?

"Pot smoking is a human rights issue?
Right along with
-the right to eat crappy snack food...

-the right to be a hypocrite in front of your own kids ("just 'cause *I* was young and stupid...")"

#58 | Posted by kirk at 2009-01-12 07:21 AM | Reply |

Z,
We refer to all those strains as "landrace". You can buy 'em (as seed) straight from their respective jungles. And contrary to what is said, the end product can be just as good as a modern hybrid (usually hybrid is just a way of expressing a crossed plant from two of the three families of cannabis-indica-sativa-
ruderalis). But not all "hybrids" are really that. Many are just landrace stock hand chosen and backcrossed. They are the same genes just selected because of some particular pheno, renamed, and marketed--Master Kush for example. Thing is, there are over three dozen active cannabinoids and we only concern ourselves with a few. There is a good chance we are eliminating genetics we don't yet see value in, but will in the future.

Modern stains are just more consistent, flower together/faster, less likely to go hermi on ya, and are built to take whatever conditions they are grown in, not necessarily producing better buzzes. AK-48 (white russian X AK-47) tastes like ass and smells worse. But if you live in a 2 month summer at 5,000 feet it will flower outside before the first frost--and bad tasting bud is better for you than frost bitten budlets.

No, BetelG,
I mostly just help Oprah get in shape.

And it's not going too well.

My wife runs a bakery, and every time I try to pitch my book to her, she smells the baked goods and gets distracted...

Huh huh, I said "baked"...

- Sinsemilla (Mex.)

That's a technique not a strain
sin= without
semilla= seeds

r8rh8r, you big tease. Stop!

You can keep your ass-bud though, sounds like little more than a tiny step up from filtered bong water. I gots me some standards now.

- Sinsemilla (Mex.)

That's a technique not a strain
sin= without
semilla= seeds

#119 | Posted by r8rh8r

I know, but that's what we called back then.

"Why do I talk to sooo many people who USED TO smoke pot who now regret it?"-kirk

Maybe it has something to do with the quality of people you are hanging out with.

I have many friends, successful professionals, in successful marriages with happy well adjusted children. We all still imbibe in the occasional, recreational toke.

Sure we all know a handful of obessive/compulsive types who should just stay away from all potential vices. But you can try as hard as you want to put ALL pot smokers in your little fucking 'box'...but the majority of us won't fit.

And even if we did...I still don't understand why some people feel the need to have our government legislate people's intelligence. It's especially amusing when the most vocal proponents for continuing this insane Drug War, are often the same people who scream for a smaller, less powerful federal government.