FTA: Mubarak made his ceasefire call at a joint news conference in Egypt with French President Nicolas Sarkozy. He gave little detail, but diplomats have described a process that would focus on bringing in foreign forces to seal the Egypt-Gaza border against Hamas arms smugglers while easing other trade routes

A light at the end of the tunnel that might not be another train barreling down on the innocent civilian populations of Israel and Palestine?

Whaa?!

Talk of a humanitarian corridor?

Bringing in a multinational force?

Hopefully, after 12 days of bloodshed this turns out to be more than just empty rhetoric.

Spud dares to dream.

Be Well.

Their was a ceasefire until Hamas began launching rockets into Israel. When the Palestinians want peace all they have to do is kick Hamas's out.

There was a ceasefire until Hamas began launching rockets into Israel. When the Palestinians want peace all they have to do is kick Hamas's out.

If the Palestinians want peace they have to renounce violence and recognise Israel right to exist.

If Israel wants peace they have to stop slowly strangling the life out of the Palestinan people and offer them true autonomy.

The peace will probably have to be monitored for years by an multi-national force of UN soldiers including those from Muslim countries.

Nothing else will do.

Anything less is just a bandaid on a bunch of bullet holes.

Be Well.

/10 minutes to The Daily Show/The Colbert Report
//Spud is off to make popcorn and such.
///Colbert & Colmes last night was some funny stuff.
////Jon's take on the Gaza situation last night was a much needed laff combined with some serious questions.
/////Thank gawd they are both back. Spud out
stage left.

november

israel broke the cease fire

**** the facts are there that israel started this
but go ahead and keep supporting aggression
.....#4 | Posted by klifferd *****

.......really ?........

....watch the CNN spot again.....Israeli commandos attacked a tunnel that was being dug and killed 6 Hamas gunmen.......

......all the rest of the 200 tunnels go into Egypt to get supplies......the tunnel in question was being dug INTO ISRAEL.....the purpose was to kidnap Israeli soldiers......

.............under the circumstances, the Israeli attack was reasonable..........

.........but.......that being said......

......let's hope the truce plan works out to the benefit of everyone........Palestinians and Israelis........

.........this is from the article you cited Kliff.......please note the details of the tunnel in question......same info is on the CNN video......

Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmenRory McCarthy in Jerusalem
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 5 November 2008 14.32 GMT
Article history

Israeli troops crossed into the Gaza Strip late last night near the town of Deir al-Balah. The Israeli military said the target of the raid was a tunnel that they said Hamas was planning to use to capture Israeli soldiers positioned on the border fence 250m away. Four Israeli soldiers were injured in the operation, two moderately and two lightly, the military said.

How about a plan that invovles bombing the fuck out of Jerusalem?

Sign me up for that one.

This better not cost us a fucking dime...

This cease fire is bullshit. It will just lead to misery, more violence, and war. A military solution is the only one possible.

Fierce Watchdog Thom

Israel doesn't give a shit.

There policy is use war and peace negotiations to displace all the Palestinians and take everyone's water.

They have learned nothing from WWII, at least that they are willing to apply to others.

Shrub, on the other hand, has done his best to undo the lessons and law that we wrote with which to prosecute Nazi War Criminals.

Everything Israel does is on our nickel. Politically, they're more important than an American Citizen.

Everything Israel does is on our nickel.

~Nutcase.

90+ Billion dollars in aid and counting.

For a country of 7.2 Million that's a startling figure. Well, until you realise that the vast majority of that money went into the Israeli and American MIC's pockets.

Peace isn't profitable from that perspective and as long as America continues to support Israel's MIC and Warhawks unconditionally the situation is not likely to change.

* deep sigh *

Be Well.

Neither Hamas or Israel wants peace. Hamas needs the Israelis to bomb them occasionally to show they are the real Palestinian protectors and not just another group of inept administrators and Israel needed to bomb gaza because there's an election going on.

The IDF needs to show they can beat somebody after getting their ass handed to them in Lebanon in 2006.
Sort of like Reagan invading Grenada after getting whupped in Lebanon.

I have a good friend in Israel, who is a no-good jew-boy and someone i care about. he told me his daughter had started pissing the bed again after all this started.

war's all fine and good as long as you're not the one having to wash the sheets.

**** This better not cost us a fucking dime...
....#10 | Posted by wisgod ******

.........THEN DON'T READ THE REST OF THIS POST..........

.....but we are sending money to both sides.....
.....billions to Israel, and 75 Million a year to the Palestinians......
........we are such saps.........

........we are such saps.........

#16 | Posted by skizziks

not really. it costs a lot of money to entice people to kill each other.

but in the meanwhile, let's pretend that they can achieve peace and at the same time, not ackowledge each others right to exist.

Sorry but this plan is only a bandaid and will have little effect.

All this does is stop the shooting and bombing for a little while until the sides re-arm and then start the whole thing over again.

And it is well-known that Gaza was lobbing over rockets into Israel for months before the end of the cease fire.

Does it really matter?

Unless they have serious mediations with all parties--and it will take years under cease fires, there won't be any sustainable peace in the region.

We need urgently to conclude a ceasefire that can endure and that can bring real security," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told the Security Council.

These ceasefires never seem to last long but at least we are doing something to try and stop the killing.

Time to get real here. The Palestinians are simply tools of Muslims, bigots who hate Jews, and losers who just want to "feel good" about themselves. Muslims, in general, do not give a rat's ass about how many Palestinians, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, die. All they care about is that hamas or hezbollah threatens or lobs bombs at people in their corner of the world that do not subscribe to the same religion (a very misogynistic one for all you "feminists" out there) as they do. On the other hand, "those damn filthy Jews" just want to live their lives and have gone out of their way to "play nice" with the other morons in that region of the world. (Yes, there is a small percentage of Jews who have the same stupid mentality as their Jew hating counterparts. Neither of them provide any benefit to this world and should do us all a favor by ceasing to exit.)

No cease fire will ever last because it would mean that all the Jew haters would have to admit that Jews are humans too, and that they have a right to exist. Doing "something" is the cry of Neville Chamberlain wannabes, or Vichy cowards, if you're French. When it comes to religous bigotry, it is truly that simple. We saw how the same closed-mindedness played out in the Balkans, and it is only worse in the Middle East because they have had a much longer time on this planet, and have squandered it in the name of stupidity. Thank God we have the opportunity to live in a country that has not even come close to the same level stupidity as other parts of the world because of religous INTOLERANCE (that good old leftist slogan).

Until the Palestinian people wake up and realize that they are being used as tools, this stupidity will continue. If some jackass was pulling the same crap and endangering my family, there is NO WAY that I would standby as Israel has for all these years. INNOCENT PEOPLE IN PALESTINE, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN, WILL CONTINUE TO PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE until they wise up and show hamas the door. That is when the killing will stop. Blaming the Jews doesn't work anymore. STFU and act like you want peace. As a homework assignment, ask Japan about the consequences of being monumentally stupid. The world has becoming a much smaller place. There continues to be less, and less room for dump asses who want to shove their beliefs down the throats of others.

so think you want buzkiller
but the facts are there that israel started this
but go ahead and keep supporting aggression
#4 | Posted by klifferd

Klifferd I see you have not learned a damn thing over the last few days, if you have noticed almost nobody agrees with you. The Palestinians and HamAss do not want peace ever, they are cowardly pussies hiding under the dresses of women and behind their own children. HamAss launches rockets missiles and mortars over the positions of the IDF to specifically target innocent women and children in Israel. Then little crybabies like you defend HamAss when Israel RETURNS FIRE. I asked you yesterday to deny this and other cowardly behavior such as HamAss pretending to be doctors in Gaza hospitals or moving their so called fighters around in ambulances or hiding weapons in their mosques and yet you still defend the women and children killers of HamAss with a vengeance. HamAss purposely fires from under the dresses of woman and behind children to draw RETURN FIRE from Israel. Klifferd you are the most biased ill informed pro HamAss poster on the DR and I still think your real name is Mohammad...

Sharm El Sheik...I've quaffed my fair share of beers there. I've also stolen more moped rentals, jet ski rentals, and bike rentals there than any human alive.

FACT!

Their was a ceasefire until Hamas began launching rockets into Israel. When the Palestinians want peace all they have to do is kick Hamas's out.
#2 | Posted by buzkiller

Klifford buzkiller had the correct answer way back on post #2 it does however state that your buddies in HamAss would have to be kicked out first:

FACT...

The double standard the Israelis face:

How else can we explain the double-standard that is applied to the Gaza conflict, if not for a more insidious bias against the Jewish state?

"At the U.N., no surprise, this double-standard is in full force. In response to Israel's attack on Hamas, the Security Council immediately pulled an all-night emergency meeting to consider yet another resolution condemning Israel. Have there been any all-night Security Council sessions held during the seven months when Hamas fired 3,000 rockets at half a million innocent civilians in southern Israel? You can be certain that during those seven months, no midnight oil was burning at the U.N. headquarters over resolutions condemning terrorist organizations like Hamas. But put condemnation of Israel on the agenda and, rain or shine, it's sure to be a full house."

"Many people ask why there are so few Israeli casualties in comparison with the Palestinian death toll. It's because Israel's first priority is the safety of its citizens, which is why there are shelters and warning systems in Israeli towns. If Hamas can dig tunnels, it can certainly build shelters. Instead, it prefers to use women and children as human shields while its leaders rush into hiding."

Aiding the Palestinian cause, the MSM persists in labeling Israeli operations as "disproportionate". It airs extensive footage of Palestinian deaths and injuries, while minimizing Palestinian provocations. However, in order to accurately determine whether or not Israel's actions are "disproportionate", we must analyze the situation in context.

In 2005, the Palestinians demanded the Gaza territory, and Israel relinquished it. The IDF yanked families out of their life long homes, and removed all synagogues and Jewish graveyards. American Jews raised millions of dollars to buy the greenhouses in Gaza, and gave them to the Palestinians as a gift. Israel believed that this would be the beginning of true peace process, and she was willing to exchange land for peace.

What did the Palestinians do with this opportunity? The first thing they did was raise flags with logos along the lines of "Gaza today, the West Bank and Jerusalem tomorrow".

The second thing they did was rename Gaza streets after suicide bombers and martyrs.

The third thing they did was elect the terrorist organization Hamas in landslide elections across the Gaza strip. The Hamas charter, based on the Koran, openly calls for the elimination of Israel. And during the current conflict, Hamas emphasized that it remains steadfast in its determination to wipe Israel off the map.

The fourth thing the Palestinians did, was brainwash their children with hatred and hostility toward Jews and Israel. They feed them a steady diet of praise for suicide bombers, provide geography lessons which delete Israel from the map, give history lessons which omit any mention of the holocaust and the reason for Israel's existence, and show them cartoons which encourage them to become martyrs. They teach their children that Palestinians cannot live in peace until Israel is obliterated.

The fifth thing they did, was to destroy the greenhouses given to them, merely because they were made by Jews. Instead of creating a life for themselves, Hamas in conjunction with Islamic Jihad and others, turned Gaza into a hotbed of terrorism. In the past four years, they have launched thousands of rockets and mortar shells into Israel. They built underground tunnels to smuggle in weapons, and received terrorism training from Iran and other state sponsors. They intentionally target Israeli civilians, including busloads of school children, Jews celebrating religious holidays and customers in pizza parlors. They have killed scores of innocent Israelis. Afterwards, they hold celebrations honoring the suicide bombers who have become martyrs for the cause.

Hamas threw hundreds of rockets and missiles over the Gaza border in the last few months during the supposed cease-fire while Israel did nothing to retaliate. When the six months was over, Hamas refused to extend the cease-fire. Instead, it stepped up its rocket attacks. Palestinians failed to put pressure on Hamas to halt the attacks, and presumably agrees with Hamas' actions. After all, unlike the 2006 Middle East conflict, where Hezbollah represented a small portion of the Lebanese people and its government, in this case, Hamas is the government. It was elected by the Palestinians throughout the Gaza strip, and represents all of Gaza, not just a small minority.

Even as recently as 2008, Israel released hundreds of Palestinian prisoners jailed on terrorism charges, in order to demonstrate its "good faith." In exchange, Hamas refused to release innocent Israeli prisoners. Instead, Israel received only increased bloodshed. Yet, when Israel closed the gates to defend herself from suicide bombers, Palestinians cried that she was a "human rights abuser".

That Israel has taken great pains to minimize civilian casualties in the current fighting, going so far as to contact Gaza residents by phone and warn them to evacuate from targeted areas, also does not matter. Critics vilify Israel for being less than 100 percent effective in its attempts to only hit armed Hamas men.

But with or without these critics, Israel is unusually sensitive about conducting wars with minimal civilian casualties, often to its detriment. As analyst Max Boot points out, this has made Israel's wars more challenging and more costly to wage.

Take, for example, the alleged Jenin "massacre" during the second intifada. In reality, there was no massacre. But the international community willingly bought into a Palestinian fraud. In fact, the number of Palestinians killed in the Jenin incursion was one-tenth of the number the Palestinians claimed; there were 50 not 500, and they were almost all fighters.

Meanwhile, the Israeli Defense Forces lost two dozen of their own men in that operation. The reason for Israel's high casualty rate was its careful measures to avoid civilian casualties

National Public Radio's Juan Williams recently complained on Fox News Sunday that the ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths was too high so far in the war. This argument implies that the war would be fairer if more Israelis died. International law holds no requirement for the casualty count to be equal on each side of a conflict. The U.S. lost more than 400,000 soldiers in World War II, while Germany lost more than 7 million soldiers and civilians (75 percent were soldiers). Was that death ratio unfair to Germany?

hey bitch
i mean ataxavoider

you can think all you want
my name isn't mohammed
neither is my fathers

i do have uncles with that name
and cousins

but its nowhere in mine

a few posters here
such as wisgod have seen my myspace
and probably do know my name

if it was mohammed i would carry it proud

hamas is made up of palestinians
palestinians != hamas

just like americans aren't all rethuglicans

keep justifying mass death to yerself of innocent civilians

again
the only pussy is you
go see a doctor about that issue... you should be so dissatisfied with your man parts

National Public Radio's Juan Williams recently complained on Fox News Sunday that the ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths was too high so far in the war. This argument implies that the war would be fairer if more Israelis died.
#28 | Posted by scooter28054

It is only people like Klifferd who support HamAss and the tactics of hiding under the dresses of women and behind their own children. HamAss enjoys war for them it justifies their existence. HamAss does not give a shit how many women and children are killed in the carnage by a war caused by and continued by HamAss, Klifferd still has not learned a damn thing over the last few days, he still has not noticed almost nobody agrees with him. The Palestinians and HamAss do not want peace ever, they are cowardly pussies hiding under the dresses of women and behind their own children. HamAss launches rockets missiles and mortars over the positions of the IDF to specifically target innocent women and children in Israel. Then little crybabies like Klifferd defend HamAss when Israel RETURNS FIRE. I asked Klifferd yesterday to deny this and other cowardly behavior such as HamAss pretending to be doctors in Gaza hospitals or moving their so called fighters around in ambulances or hiding weapons in their mosques. Klifferd still will not answer the questions...

"keep justifying mass death to yerself of innocent civilians"

The ONLY justifed killing of innocent civilians is when Muslims do it! Can't you ever make them understand that, Kliffart?

ataxpayer
you support hamas

everytime you support a missle strike
you create more

so go suck yer hamas dick

no killing is justified

even when muslims do it

find me a quote where i have ever said hamas is good

you won't find one
cause its not true

again make yerself feel better by scapegoating

when the real criminals are you and your conservative policies

hamas HAS learned a thing or two

they found out how to get more recruits

you do'nt think they knew israel was going to attack

they knew
they planned on it

and they are banking on it

conservatives = dumb macho jocks = real pussies

again
the only pussy is you
go see a doctor about that issue... you should be so dissatisfied with your man parts
#29 | Posted by klifferd

Klifferd are you gay as well you keep referring to my "man parts" your obsession is a little creepy. Meanwhile back in the land of reality where I live are you going to answer my questions or just sit there in front of the keyboard until the birds land on your head. Try reading the above post by scooter28054 granted it is a little lengthy but dead balls accurate. Will you still continue to defend HamAss I am going to lunch so you have plenty of time...

oh you call me gay?
and you use the word pussy all the time

are you sure your not in closet

and show me where i defended hamas

blaming israel is not defending hamas btw

unless your a fucking idiot
which i think you are

i don't defend hamas
i don't defend israel
they are both terrorists

this whole

"with us or against us"
mentallity is so idiotic and simple minded
and completely un-american

All talk of ceasefire is just posturing. Palestinian Gaza is being exterminated. Israel wants to kill as many Palestinians as it can.

Planning for this method of ethnic cleansing became serious the moment Fox News called Ohio for Obama. It will continue at least until inauguration day, and maybe beyond. The Israelis know they can count on Bush, but are unsure of Obama.

Ethnic cleansing proceeds briskly in the other part of Palestine, the West Bank. Hundreds of thousands of 'settlers' already, 100's more arriving each week. Each one these is like a rocket, gradually gobbling up Palestine in fortified racial communities where Muslims are not allowed to live.

I wish the weapons would stop coming into Gaza. The American weapons of ethnic cleansing used by the Israelis. Americans have run out of people to ethnically cleanse, so know the American colony of Israel is doing it for them, with weapons paid for by the American taxpayer, gleefully named after people America exterminatd, such as Tomahawk Missiles and Apache helicopters.

Say goodbye to Gaza as part of Palestine. American soldiers are in Israel, defending against missile attacks which wont' come, and a huge American army in Iraq has already neutralized Iran. This generation of Israelis has taken the opportunity to match the work of 1948 and 1967, and take another big chunk of Palestine.

That's the idea, Carlh

Israel's lie machine working flat out to dodge "killer" question