Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Wednesday, January 07, 2009

President-elect Barack Obama said the U.S. will soon face a $1 trillion budget deficit and similar shortfalls are in store as the government grapples with a recession and other spending demands. "Potentially we've got trillion-dollar deficits for years to come, even with the economic recovery we are working on."

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Worrying about deficits is so last year. It's only en vogue when a Republican is running them. What's a few trillion among friends?

Soon to come, a lot of posts saying: It's not Obama's fault!! and so on.

#1 | Posted by rightisright

Who would you say is responsible?

It's nice to see on one hand, B.O. isn't shy about predicting economic doom and gloom, but refuses to address the M.E. As he said, we can only be ruled by one President at a time. I guess that statement came from the left side of his face.

Who would you say is responsible?

#2 | Posted by Prolix247
* * * *

The president and Congress. Just like always.

and for years to come, it will all be blamed on bush and republicans with NO MENTION of the names, frank, rich, dodds or rangel.

UNLESS we here from the right on the DR keep up the heat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That damn Bush. It's all his fault the dem congress wants to borrow their way out of trouble.

I love it. Making excuses for his failed administration already.

buy gold

..."Potentially we've got trillion-dollar deficits for years to come, even with the economic recovery we are working on."

No wonder everyone is so shocked. We've now got a President (elect) who actually tells the people of this county the truth about our economy -- whether for good or bad.

Bush was constantly lying through his teeth -- about the cost of his war in Iraq, the deficits from his free trade fiascos, the number of unemployed, and about the state of our economy until the DOW went ballistic and dropped like a rock in September. Bush kept babbling on until the end we weren't in a recession, either, until it was formally announced about a month ago we've officially been in a recession since 2007.

So this is what it's like to hear the truth?
It's been so long....

sure chrissy


and hows that budget in california coming???

"a reporter asked President Bush what his "advice" would be to the "average American" who is "facing the prospect of $4 a gallon gasoline." Bush replied, "That's interesting, I hadn't heard that."

Feb 28, 2008.


thinkprogress.org

sna, I haven't either. With the savior comming on 20Jan09 it can't be.

"and hows that budget in california coming???

#10 | Posted by bushlovertwo "

Ask the Governator....you know, Republican Arnold.

The fundamentals of our economy are strong.

"Reagan proved that deficits don't matter."

~Dick Cheney

Has anyone ever seen a 100,000 lire note or a 1,000,000 drachma. Now imagine paying for a loaf of bread with a 100,000 dollar bill. The US Government has no wealth and no assets, so how do they pay for it. Borrow money and print more. I now see why the governemt is taking over banks and Automakers and whatever it can get its hands on..To have assets to back up its borrowing. I don't understand why Obama just doesn't say, "I am laying off 20 percent of the governement employees, cutting every department's budget 10 percent and the DOD by 20 percent"..I am waiting for someone to ask me to join an armed revolt. I am now inclined to say "sign me up"

If we do this (the 1T rillion a year debt), the US will become a mideval, feudal society with Washington an isolated island (kinda like Pyongyang) and throwing us crumbs everynow and it will owns everything including the house you live in...WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING

"We've now got a President (elect) who actually tells the people of this county the truth about our economy"

The Truth?

If repeating The Obvious is telling The Truth, okay. Pretty low metric to meet though.

UNLESS we here from the right on the DR keep up the heat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#5 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2009-01-07 11:39 AM |

You tell 'em obamalovertwo!


I love it. Making excuses for his failed administration already.

#7 | Posted by cabo_vato at 2009-01-07 11:48 AM |


Sorry. But this is Chimpy's mess.

The Buck Stops Here. Remember?

If we do this (the 1T rillion a year debt), the US will become a mideval, feudal society with Washington an isolated island (kinda like Pyongyang) and throwing us crumbs everynow and it will owns everything including the house you live in...WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING

#16 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

Don't vote for any more Bush's for starters.

Surpluses to $1,000,000,000,000 deficits in 8 years

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING

#16 | Posted by HillBillyJihad

And what would that be?

How would that come about?

Whose revolutionary plan will be followed?

What will the government be like on the other side of this revolution?

What of those who chose not join your revolt?

Sorry. But this is Chimpy's mess.

#19 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe

No, this is our fault, collectively. The American citizenry, for whatever reasons, their through complacency, or greed, conclusion, or compliance, allowed this administration, and previous ones, to get away with what they got away with. The American citizenry does not have the collective cojones to step up, stand up, and say "Enough!" because each of us is not willing to risk and lose what we have. We are comfortable. Fed. Clothed. Warm. Entertained. Fueled. The majority of America does not know hard times (yet). The 30s were a long time ago. Those few who were alive then were mere children and are very, very old today. Even the poorest in our country live better than many across the planet.

We need to be deprived of a lot more before we will be ready to make Fundamental Change. People parroting the Obama Mantra have no clue as to what True Change will entail.

We are not ready.

conclusion = collusion

American Unity

Not true, The budget deficit, the amount of money the governement would bring in and what it was spending a year was a surplus Bioth Clinton and the repub congress can take credit for that, we would now be paying off our debt if that had kept up. The Debt (the total owed to others was 2 trillion), Now it is 3.5 trillion. And yes, Of course I voted for Bush twice and he did it, And I hate him for it. So now what do we..You and I do to stop this madness,

If you let Obama run that up to 1 trillion a year, you and I will suffer greatly..No One in Washington will.

I want Obama to succeed, But he HAS to cut the governement, the only assets they have is what they take from us

I am not talking about a revolution, I am talking about getting rid of who is there and replacing them with the types of people the founding fathers said it should be..Farmers, plumbers. housewives, carpenters, ....People who have lived our lives not people who have lived in a collegiate bubble all their lives and have never struggles or had to make a payroll, or fall behind on a bill and wonder how to payt it, people who have had to wait in an emergency room, people who have had to pump their own gas...US ..WE the people, not THEM the elitist bureaucrats

if your in a hole don't you stop digging?

"So now what do we..You and I do to stop this madness,"

Might consider repealing some of the tax cuts that caused this problem. Our economy did fine until Ronnie Raygun began applying the principles of supply side economics and pretending that the savings of the rich would trickle down to the working class and stimulate the economy, It never worked, it never will work, it was talking point economcs and Americans fell for it.

Danni will never get past her uber-partisanship. She is so lost to her "party". Tax cuts are not the problem that is my money it doesn't belong to anyone else but me and I am not rich but I certainly don't blame the rich for me not being so.., IT IS SPENDING. And she will never stop blaming the rich for her issues, she is Just like the Palestinians "My life sucks so it must be someones fault, certainly could not be mine"

Danni and her ilk ARE the problem, both left and right

Hillbilly,
The tax cuts during a time of war was stupid. I have been listening to a lot of old time radio shows from the WW2 era and every single show has a moment where the governmnet is selling warbonds, or reminding people to save their fat, or offering extra meat rations in exchange for X,Y, or Z. There has been none of that going on today.

Well, That is true and as a right-wing nut, I would not have cut taxes. As I have stated I was pleased with Bushes first 4 years, his second 4 he was NO republican or conservative. I will be glad to see him go. I would have said "We have to destroy the people who did this where ever they are and every resource is needed at this time". Now on the second point

Phil Gramm was absolutely right, We are a nation of whiners, do you actually think if Bush would have asked people to sacrifice...ANYTHING" especially the young and the left, they would have? look in the mirror and tell me that would have happened.

the crying and whining could have been heard on PLUTO (not a planet, poor PLUTO)

"Reagan proved that deficits don't matter."

#15 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

I didn't know he was the first pres to have a deficit. I learn so much on this site.

Surpluses to $1,000,000,000,000 deficits in 8 years

#20 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Which year did we have a surplus? Last one I know of was way back under Kennedy.

It's supreme truth, the people get the government they deserve.

Snippy, Reagan was certainly the first President to triple the debt in 8 years.


Hillbillyjihad's claim that it's the left that whines about taxes being too high is as comical as it is pathetic.

HAHA.. I never complained about the left saying taxes are too high, We all no the left always complains that everyone ELSES taxes are not high enough. All I can say is at Least with Reagan we did get the collapse of the Soviet Union, What have we gotten since then..Under Clinton, Bush or Obama..And remember...CONGRESS controls the purse strings, that is why I am just waiting to be asked to join some group to go to washington and shoot them all for treason

Just to put things in prospective, Obama's planned deficit is around 1.2 trillion. Over double Bush/Democrats 2009 budget of roughly 500 billion.

Obama also said he plans on trillion dollar deficits for years. Further, his planned deficit as a measure of GDP goes well beyond the record breaking deficit that Reagan pushed for. Simply put, Obama will far and away become the most fiscally irresponsible president ever. No previous president comes close

"All I can say is at Least with Reagan we did get the collapse of the Soviet Union"

And the rise of Russia....net gain??? NO.

What you really got with Reagan was more debt than all previous presidents combined....to the tune of 3 trillion dollars.
Ronnie Raygun...the worst president in history as proven by the term.....REAGANOMICS.

$700,000,000,000 bailout + $500,000,000,000 deficit = $1.2 Trillion deficit

Big numbers. Hope you understand

Surplus for 2001 (Clinton budget)

Deficits for 2002,2003,2004,2005,2006,2007,
2008,2009

Get it?

"No previous president comes close"

Because no previous president entered office 11 trillion in debt and with a looming depression.
What Obama did was tell the truth, something right wing tools don't get.

Simply put, Obama will far and away become the most fiscally irresponsible president ever. No previous president comes close.

If Obama inherited a record surplus when he took office and left office with the largest deficit on record you would have a point. Unfortunately, those achievements belong to Dubya.

"I have been listening to a lot of old time radio shows from the WW2 era and every single show has a moment where the governmnet is selling warbonds, or reminding people to save their fat, or offering extra meat rations in exchange for X,Y, or Z. There has been none of that going on today."

#29 | Posted by kanrei

Technically, officially, the US is not at war. Certainly not in the sense of WWII. The US was not formally (or informally) attacked by either Iraq or Afghanistan. Neither Iraq or Afghanistan is sending machines of war against our borders in an attempt to conquer the US. The US is not fighting to protect its survival as a nation, but rather eradicate those pockets of rogues who do harm to the US.

SHIRTSBYRIC

Please check your facts before posting.

The 2009 budget is Bush's baby

2009 Projected deficit - $1.2 Trillion

He's only got 4 to show us why he should get another 4. Get spending under control and yes raise taxes, balance the budget.

If by years he means 2 okay, but if they're still this out of control by 2011/2012 then I don't see that as a reason why I would vote for him again.

1. Stop bailing out our corrupt overhead, AKA the Financial Sector. Paper shuffling is a necessary overhead, not a vital function. A country run by lawyers and accountants is doomed.

2. Curtail Military spending by 25% per year for two years. This should be done largely by eliminating the hi-tech weapons that do not work, are redundant or just ridiculously expensive. Force the military to address the waste and corruption issues front and center. Close 600 military bases on foriegn soil. Germany?? Korea?? New ones in Poland & Czchek Republic?? What the fuck.

3. Obama promised tax credits for companies which return or make jobs stateside. This is one of his more important promises. It should fit into a commitment to full productive employment in the manufacturing sector. We can't turn the clock back, but we can develop new opportunities. A minimal Industrial base must be maintained at all costs.

4. Commit to the elimination of weapons of mass destruction. Stop making the fucking things. We are the worlds worst offender.

5. Close offshore tax loopholes. Fix the tax code, broken by Shrub (i.e. tax wealth and incomes progressively). Then put a stop to personal tax breaks sold by Congressman.

6. Begin a tax enforcement campaign beginning with the richest members of society.

7. Repeal HSBC's Bankruptcy Law, rammed through by Shrub and Congress.

8. Fix the Health Care System as an integral part of a competitive economic system.

9. Stop privatizing utilities and schools. These charlatans have only raised prices.

Great ideas for Obama Nutcase and then after lunch...

"2. Curtail Military spending by 25% per year for two years. This should be done largely by eliminating the hi-tech weapons that do not work, are redundant or just ridiculously expensive. Force the military to address the waste and corruption issues front and center. Close 600 military bases on foriegn soil. Germany?? Korea?? New ones in Poland & Czchek Republic?? What the fuck."

The public is too concerned with National Security for such drastic cuts in the military, but certainly waste and corruption should be cleaned up and that would probably save billions by itself. Some bases around the world are important and can't be closed, its doubtful China would allow North Korea to restart the war there so I agree with you that Korea can be left to its own now.

Cut too much in this area and republicans regain the advantage on National Security that the Democrats have made inroads with as of late.

I think its ludicrous to believe that Americans still trust Republicans with national security issues.

"The public is too concerned with National Security for such drastic cuts in the military"
I think that "fear" is beginning to lessen due to the new fears of foreclosure, unemployment, and poverty.

"I think its ludicrous to believe that Americans still trust Republicans with national security issues."

Almost as ludicrous as thinking they could be trusted to manage the economy.

Snippy, Reagan was certainly the first President to triple the debt in 8 years.

#34 | Posted by reinheitsgebot

I thought we were talking about debt, not how it increased. Don't forget, both the house and senate were democrat under Reagan's 8 years. Also, remember that the glory years of clinton, we had a republican congress.

"Don't forget, both the house and senate were democrat under Reagan's 8 years."

Actually, no.

The Senate was GOP majority, 1981-1987.

Hans

"Technically, the GOP only controlled the Senate and the White House after the 1980 election, but de facto, they had an alliance with the Boll Weevil House Democrats, led by then-Democrat Phil Gramm, who rammed through tax and spending cuts in alliance with the GOP. Only with the 1982 election did real Democrats gain enough seats to regain operational control of the House. In response to that loss of control by the GOP-Boll Weevil alliance, Phil Gramm resigned from Congress in 1983 and became a Republican, running for Congress, then the Senate."

According to Wikipedia Republicans did not control the House but did control the Senate for 75% of the time Reagan was president.

Still no peep from the pay-as-you-go crowd, about how irresponsible it is to run deficits. I figured the libs' obsession with government deficits would prove to be only a fad, that would go away as soon as a Dem wins an election.

That was the easiest prediction I've ever made, in retrospect. Not exactly going out on a limb.

This is the true Legacy of the Bush Administration, TRILLION DOLLAR DEFECITS well into the Future. But of course the dumb Fucks on the right will blame Obama from January 21, 2009 through out his Presidency... Reaction from this Democrat, Fuck you Repub ASSHOLES, thanks for the damage you cost this Country, now its our turn to clean up your fucking MESS!!!!!!!

"That was the easiest prediction I've ever made, in retrospect. Not exactly going out on a limb."

Let's see here, last Dem president came in with 5 trillion in debt and managed to virtually balance the budget before he left, then a Republican came in and doubled the debt and somehow if Obama can't balance it his first year then he's not really fiscally responsible.....convenient lack of logic here, typical lack of logic here.

"But of course the dumb Fucks on the right will blame Obama from January 21, 2009"

Some of them are dumb but remember some of them are just dishonest.

www.heritage.org

Since 1965, the government has operated at a deficit for almost the entire 33 year period. The only exception was the period immediately following the 1994 Republican Revolution in Congress. It was during this period that Bill Clinton famously declared "the era of big government is over."

1994 was the first time the Republicans held a majority in Congress since 1972 (roughly the last time government spending came close to matching revenues). The Gingrich Congress was able to control the rate of spending relative to revenues, and a surplus resulted.

Unfortunately, three things happened starting in 2000 that caused the surpluses to disappear:

The dot-bomb recession started in April of 2000, causing a drop in GDP and government revenues. Bush responded appropriately by pushing his first tax cut in 2001 to fix the economy. Before these tax cuts could take hold in 2001, 9/11 happened.
The attacks on 9/11 cratered the economy, further reducing government revenues. The US responded appropriately in kind around the world. As in all times of war, military spending increased, but in this case there was no corresponding drop in domestic spending to offset the costs.
George Bush and the Republicans in Congress forgot they were supposed to be the party of small government. The budget in 2001 included spending increases of 42%. The Republicans spent like drunken sailors on programs such as Medicare Drug Benefits and No Child Left Behind. These massive new spending and entitlement programs bloated government spending.

After 2001, spending spiked up and revenues fell. The results of these three things caused federal deficits starting in 2002. By the time the tax cuts of 2003 went into effect, we already had deficit spending. Even so, 3 years later, tax revenues were back to their pre-recession pre-9/11 year 2000 levels. Four years after the Bush tax cuts, federal revenues had risen from their 2000 levels by $144 billion dollars. That's right, revenues went up AFTER the tax cuts. Unfortunately over the same period, spending increased by $589 billion PER YEAR.

www.heritage.org

The War in Iraq cost us 139B...but we INCREASED spending by $589 B...so it was NOT the war that caused the massive deficits.

Notice on the chart the rapid increase in spending over the last 2 years....had spending been kept the same level we would be at a surplus even today (without the bailout money that has not yet been spent)

There has been across the board spending increases. Community development increased 29% last year, Transportation by 8.1%, State Department by 15.4%.

The fact is that were we had a situation where the Republicans used to be counted on to lower the spending increases (not acutally LOWER spending ..just not increase it as much) which acted as a brake against the Democratic congresses and the deficits...we had a situation where the republicans spent and now the democrats are trying to out do them.

Like pigs at the trough, every bureaucracy expands every year, and no program ever solves the program it was created to solve.

It is time we started a 3rd party, one without Lawyers, Eastern elitist - just common folk - that is the only way this will get under control

Stop privatizing utilities and schools. These charlatans have only raised prices.

#45 | Posted by nutcase

the US has the highest cost per pupil in the world thanks to pubic education.

did I spell a word wrong, I'm sorry.

"Higher deficits for years to come", is that the hope and change we voted for?

"1994 was the first time the Republicans held a majority in Congress since 1972 (roughly the last time government spending came close to matching revenues)."

Not true. The Democrats had the majority in the US Senate from 1955-1981, 1987-1995, ~May, 2001-2003, and 2007 forward.

The Democrats had the majority in the US House from 1955-1995 and 2007 forward.

Hans

he got elected by promissing that he would fix it..... Now he's telling the reality side.... You leftist's don't seem to mind this big flip flop.

You would be screaming bloody murder if bush had said this... Double standard is a sure sign of a whacko lefto!

You got me there snipe.

Our public schools are a mess. But they need to be fixed, not abandoned. They work well all over Scandanavia, Europe, and Asia. They really should provide all a decent Democracy can offer, equal opportunity.

With all that funding, why are buildings falling apart, average scholastic aptitude falling, with outrageous dropout rates?

Not enough time to cover all that right now, except to say it is far more than just blaming the teacher unions.

"No wonder everyone is so shocked. We've now got a President (elect) who actually tells the people of this county the truth about our economy -- whether for good or bad. "

See what I mean... The guy could break every promise he made in the last year and idiots like this will keep smiling.... They are soooooooooooooooooo stupid they don't even know that they were sold out. Obama Lied about everything... Clinton should be put in jail and they should throw the whole dem congress in jail with her. Frank and his Ilk... What Obama is telling you idiots on the left is that they are going to steal a TRILLION this time...

First Trillion dollar deficit in history? Thanks, W

(came close last year though)

Bush 2009 Federal Budget - $1.2 TRILLION DEFICIT

2002 (Last Clinton budget) - SURPLUS: $282,000,000,000 (Billion)

Total Bush deficits during presidency: In excess of $7 TRILLION

Total Clinton deficits (8 years) - $2 TRILLION

Let's see what Obama will do with it.

I predict Obama's deficits will exceed all the deficits combined since Since Eisenhower - in four years.

Ray,

I agree. I hope we are wrong.

There is no such thing as a surplus.

We always have DEBT and as long as we have DEBT there is no surplus.

Deficit????

I laugh everytime I see this rant and moan because most of the people who are ranting and moaning about deficit don't even know what it means.

I predict Obama's deficits will exceed all the deficits combined since Since Eisenhower - in four years.

#68 | Posted by Ray

THANK YOU George W Bush and GOP Congress for growing government more than any other administration in history, and for racking up more deficits and debt than all others in American history combined.

Right wingers can claim it's Obama's fault all they want. They'll just be lying through their teeth.

Clinton 2002 budget - $282 BILLION SURPLUS
Bush 2009 budget - $1.2 TRILLION DEFICIT (NOT INCLUDING BAILOUT)

Sorry Unity ..do your home work..most of the deficit happen once the DEMs took over congress two years ago. See post above and the link that tracks spending vrs revenue.

The 2002 Clinton Surplus was with a Republican Congress.

Remember; Congress holds the purse strings and spends the money...the President only has gross veto power over spending (as there is no line item veto) and provides budgetary requests - but Congress approves the spending and does not have to go along with the budget request.

In the case of Clinton - the tax revenue went up (short term again see the graph) and the spending (GOP Congress) only increased 12% instead of the forecasted 18%.

So...you can blame Bush for the Medicare Drug Plan (which was 300M of the deficit - and backed by the DEMS) and No Child (Partially drafted by Kennedy) (the war was only 189B) - But you need to also blame the DEMS for the last two years of run away spending and Bush for not vetoing it.

Blah Blah Blah Blah

Add up Bush's deficits and get back to us .....

Bush apologists get no respect from me. Facts are facts. Trying to blame Obama is ludicrous.

$1.2 TRILLION for 2009 - Bush's baby (not including the bailout).

Couple of charts (I do my homework before opening my mouth. Not a bad idea for the righties to do)

www.cedarcomm.com

www.lafn.org
(compare this chart under Dems and Reps)

lafn.org chart doesn't include 2009 - Bush's budget

Skyrocketing national debt = higher debt service payments - 2008 debt service payments = $400,000,000,000

2009 - Higher yet

Bush apologists get no respect from me.

#74 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Your respect is so very inprtant to me. Like anyone cares, give me a fucking break, loser.

Hurry or your bus so you can be on time to your shift at Burger King/Ciruit City, whatever.

Ditto dumbo.

Look at the charts THEN tell us all how brilliant you are.

I'm way overeducated to work flipping burgers. Have a great life doing exactly what I feel like day to day.

But, thanks for the thoughts, dumbass

And look at the charts I posted. We're dying to hear your half assed explanations trying to spin your way out of facts. You can't. Your head's too full of myths and partisan bullshit.

I'm way overeducated to work flipping burgers. Have a great life doing exactly what I feel like day to day

#78 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Yeah right. I retired at 51. Who's the loser.

I can not wait.......

And look at the charts I posted.

#79 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

OMG, I will do that right away............

Look at me, look at what I posted. Everyone look at me. How fucking pathetic.

Mom, Mom, Mom, Mom look at MMMMMEEEEEEEEE.

"I retired at 51. Who's the loser."

You could've retired at age 3 or 300. Machts nichts. You're still the same old loser you've always been, Cornholio.

BTW Cabo Vato

One other point you're far less than accurate:

The "GOP Congress" you referred to under Clinton is a misnomer. They controlled the House only until 2002 - the year of the last Clinton's budget. (In case you skipped civics class, both side of Congress must reach a consensus on passing the President's budget.)

When the GOP also got a majority in the Senate, the budget started skyrocketing - going from a $282 Billion SURPLUS (FY 2002 budget - Clinton's) to deficits in the hundreds of billions which have continued to rise every year.

Last Bush budget: FY 2009 - $1.2 Trillion deficit (not including bailout).

PS I love how idiots like you who don't have their facts straight run straight to the old "Burger King" schoolyard deflection. If you were so smart and educated you wouldn't have made such an ass of yourself just now ....

Thanks to the GOP and their drunken sailor ways, we'll be in a hell of a pickle for a long time.

AU -

It's possible to view the past 8 years as a virtually unqualified success. After all, they set out to prove that government didn't work. By installing incompetents and kakistocrats up and down the chain of command and spending like people with a serious mental disorder they came very close to destroying the entire edifice. With the exception, of course, of the corporate welfare mechanisms. Naturally, coming from a culture of irresponsibility, they're already blaming Obama.

I think my post needs clarification: a success from a GOP point of view.

Here is why Obama's deficits have to increase so dramatically. For the non-mathematically inclined, take a look at the exponential curve on the link. America's debt is on the steep side of the curve, finally hitting a breakpoint. To stop deflation, the feds need ever more massive deficits starting in the trillions.

exponential curve

Bush 2009 budget - $1.2 TRILLION DEFICIT (NOT INCLUDING BAILOUT)

#72 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY
* * * *

Let me get this straight. New Congress is in session right now. Bush leaves in a couple of weeks. The new Congress passes a $775 billion spending bill, and it belongs to Bush?

Whatever. Four more years!!

Ray,

Stopping deflation is about propping up bank balance sheets? Paulson's only concern. These fuckers are sucking the system dry. Washington pols are over their heads. Synonymous with Greenspan's vision of wealth creation, continuing to increase private and public debt. This is what has created the fucking mess we're in.

The right is so wrong. BushCo is fucking everyone, including Democrat haters. But the numbers are totl bullshit. Paulson's shifting of "assets" are really a shifting of liabilities, easily totalling $80 trillion, if our economy continues to operate, otherwise even worse. Why would anyone do business with the US financial sector?

Whatever. Four more years!!

#88 | Posted by rightisright

It's gonna take at least eight to straighten this mess out.

Whoa! Here's some news!

"Yeah right. I retired at 51. Who's the loser."

ER....an unemployment check isn't the same thing as being retired.

It's gonna take at least eight to straighten this mess out.

#90 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY


Making excuese foir his failed administration already. I LOVE IT.

Failing Obama before even one day on the job. Hilarious.


UNLESS we here from the right on the DR keep up the heat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


#5 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2009-01-07 11:39 AM |


You tell 'em obamalovertwo!

#18 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe


OUCH...shit man that hurt.........

and rush had a great monolougue on this yesterday talking about how this was another great chance for republicans to grow some manhood...my phrase, not his....

all of this money and it all amounts to just pork with no leaverage

and he also mentioned something that should worry all of you
when the car makers can to town congress said that they would have to come back with a plan on how they would change thier business and spend the money

so why shouldnt the government have the same responsibility when the amount is staggeringly more??


OH SHIT I KNOW WHY....because its dems who will be spending it..

OH NO WONDER>..he said as he slapped his forehead.,..

So according to BLT, Paulson (with Shrub's tacid approval) didn't dish out $2 trillion to corrupt rich insiders with little or no debate or conditions. That's all going to happen on the next Democrat watch.

Hasn't anyone noticed that under Paulson what we have witnessed is stealing and that so far Obama has demonstrated an interest in problem solving? I'm not saying he has the problem under control, he clearly does not, but his actions are consistent with someone who cares.

Shrub doesn't care (though he did pretend to care at their joint meeting). All his behavior for the last 8 years is consistent with someone who has little regard for human life, the environment or our economic future, especially where little people from Gaza to California are concerned. IN the last few months he has made an effort to shore up that image, by visiting hospitals, but its all just a PR stunt.

you are ignoring what I said

this same congress who is willing to let obama do whatever the hell he wants with this trilion was the same ones who were spitting all over themsleves on camera to make the auto makers bring them a plan and here we dont seem to have one.

and its an honest question to ask

WHY THE HELL NOT....and the trillion is nothing but pork as well..............

and again........this shouldnt be about politics or whose side you are on.....
for years we have read here about the deficit and how bad it was and now that obama says we will have this for YEARS AND YEARS

it seems to be not that big a deal to even have a plan on how its going down...........
and that should WORRY ALL OF US>.

"this same congress who is willing to let obama do whatever the hell he wants with this trilion"

How do you figure that? Congress will write the bill.

"for years we have read here about the deficit and how bad it was and now that obama says we will have this for YEARS AND YEARS"

It's still bad.

How refreshing!

A president who is going to tell us the truth about the way things really are instead of lying to the American people like Bush loved to do right up until the day before his administration calls for the largest socialist move in American history.

The repubs will use this to say "See, things aren't as good as they were when Bush would tell us they were" all while ignoring the fact that they too were lies to.

OK, none of know the details of future Obama Plan. Agreed. But he can't do anything today anyway, because the meathead is still President and the Senate is still in flux.

We do know how much money was already taken DIRECTLY, though we are not being told how large the associated liabilities are. Paulson bought junk at an inflated price, whose value will never be realized by those paying for it. Also, if the bailed out institutions recover, taxpayers get nothing for saving them.

The rule is socialize risk, privatize profits. But only for those insiders who have bought a politician. Choosing between 99% of Democrats and Republicans does not save the public from this rule.

The gap between prices and wages has been spreading for decades. The difference has been made up on paper with debt. What Wall Street doesn't seem to realize is that without consumers their portfolios will plummet. In their race for faster and bigger profits they have destroyed the hand that feeds them.

So according to BLT, Paulson (with Shrub's tacid approval) didn't dish out $2 trillion to corrupt rich insiders with little or no debate or conditions. That's all going to happen on the next Democrat watch.

#97 | Posted by nutcase

Who wrote the law for that to happen?

It is time we started a 3rd party, one without Lawyers, Eastern elitist - just common folk - that is the only way this will get under control


He is correct... The only to improve the governmebt is to introduce a third party to break up the monopoly the two current parties have pver our money. The two party system is a doomed failure. We need to pass laws requiring a third party. The LABOR party anyone?

snipe,

in one unusually candid interview Paulson said, "I have no authority to do any of this, but when I act, people follow". (not an exact quote)

so get this, Obama is picking up where Shrub left off, attacking "entitlements", not using terms like Social Security without touching the military budget, twice as big as the rest of the world combined. MADNESS.

#90 Posted By Americanunity

I love how I keep seeing people on the left, including Obama, say this will take 8 years to fix. It is clearly a set up for just in case things look shitty in four years. No one knows how long we will be in a 'recession' or 'depression'. And let me tell you, if this is a depression then they ain't shit. Either that or Houston is just that much more robust than the rest of the nation because very little, if anything, has changed here.

"It is clearly a set up for just in case things look shitty in four years."

BUSH: BALANCE THE BUDGET

President Bush, pledging that the five-year budget which he spells out in February will allow for the elimination of the federal budget deficit in 2012, called on the new Congress today to join him in a series of bipartisan reforms aimed at getting federal spending under control.

Bush took aim at "dead-of-the-night'' budget deals that funnel billions of dollars to special projects without any oversight, and he vowed that the government will produce a balanced budget by 2012 -- four years after he leaves office. Facing a Democratic-controlled Congress for his remaining two years as president, Bush said today: "It's time to set aside politics and focus on the future.''
www.swamppolitics.com

Doc, what the hell does balancing the budget have to do with a recession? Sure, it has an effect on it, but are you saying that we won't be out of a recession or depression until the budget is balanced?

so here is a question that I heard someone else bring up

what is this years budget..

anyone know

lets say its a trillion or is it more than that
but if its a trillion....use that trillion for the things that we pay taxes for and give EVERYONE in the country months or a year off from paying ANY FEDERAL TAXES....
seems that this would stimulate the economy like NOTHING else could

is this just a silly idea or one that might actually work

BL2

2009's is over $3,000,000,000,000 (trillion) for the first time. $1.2 trillion deficit (not including bailout).

yikes.......yeah I guess maybe the no taxes would have to be for about half of a year

but what of the concept????

if DEMS are truely wanting to stimulate the economy rather than just spread pork projects and things to keep people down because that will insure they still need the dems..
OOPS...sorry ..thats every OTHER issue that dems are in....LOL


and where is everyone.
here we have BONUS COVERAGE from bl2 and only you are here????????????????

There is a lot of blame to go around on both political parties and the citizentry. The US Population has had a comfortable life for 20 to 30 years living on debt. We wanted more, more, more. To get that we elected politicians that passed legislation which expanded easy credit. They decided to cash in on a bunch of it by getting in bed with the CEO's of many corporations allowing them to expand into a monopolies. Federal and State Judges were bought to help hide and cover up any legal issues that came up. The Politicians allowed many Main Stream News Organizations to be purched by Corporations knowing they could monitor and control news of their abuses to the public sector. The massive sheep citizentry continues to believe the MSN's and questions little.

Bush sucked on many fronts, so did Clinton. But actually its the House and Senate that did not control any wrong doing and many of the idiots that are still in both Houses are going to keep this charade up as long as they can keep making money from it. These massive unmonitored "bailouts" are another Chapter in it.

Now Obama wants to hire more FBI and Citizen Police. They will be investigating anyone and everyone out of boredom. They should go after the CEO's and their collusion with Politicians that caused these problems. Its not going to happen, they are well versed in protecting themselves. Neighbor's with less money and political clout are much easier marks. A mass revolt will be put down faster than it gets on the news. Talk of something like that is a sure way to have your IP Address monitored. Just protect yourself is the only recourse.

These types of blogs will eventually be shut down.

smarty....you wont get anywhere here blaming dems for any part of this. our liberal bros here just wont stand for that sort of commonsense thinking.
good post by the way

If you let Obama run that up to 1 trillion a year, you and I will suffer greatly..No One in Washington will.


#24 | Posted by HillBillyJihad at 2009-01-07 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whew! That's a relief. I was born and raised in D.C.

Hill Willy says I won't suffer greatly.

Thanks.

What a guy!

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