Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, January 05, 2009

President-elect Barack Obama has chosen Leon Panetta, who was White House chief of staff for President Bill Clinton, to lead the CIA, Democratic officials said on Monday.

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Say what!?


Might as well call the Obama Presidency the Clinton Presidency with an Obama face. Unfuckingbelievable.

Larry


What's unbelievable are the people who thought an Obama admin would be oh so different than a Hillary admin.

If I wanted a Clinton Presidency Corky I would have hired Hillary. I expected fresh faces in an Obama Presidency. ALL I see are Bandags.

Larry


Where did you expect these "fresh faces" to get their relevent experience, other than in the last Dem admin?


Oh, I forgot. Obama made experience unnecessary. My bad.

Though maybe that's why he is so dependent on former Clintonistas, eh?

Oh, I forgot. Obama made experience unnecessary. My bad.


Though maybe that's why he is so dependent on former Clintonistas, eh?

Posted by Corky at 2009-01-05 03:57 PM | Reply

And what kind of experience did Hillary have Be honest Corky. Obama had more elected experience than Hillary but yet You won't admit to that.

Larry

Oh, I forgot. Obama made experience unnecessary. My bad.
Posted by Corky

I guess the tree isn't bearing any apples ready to fall.

Where did you expect these "fresh faces" to get their relevent experience, other than in the last Dem admin?


#5 | Posted by Corky at 2009-01-05 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You can not tell Me that with over 300 MILLION people in this Country He couldn't find qualified people to serve who were not tied to Bill or Hillary Clinton. Now can You corky and be intellectually Honest about it.

Larry

Oh and Obama campaigned on the premise of Change. It's not change when You go back to old retreads Corky. No matter how hard You try You can not say that is change now can You??

Larry


There isn't a nickles worth of difference between the Cabinet Obama has picked and what Clinton would have done..... except maybe Hil would have brought in more fresh faces, lmao!


On topic, I guess Obama figured the CIA needed a real personnel manager instead of another spook.

I took My 18 wheeler in for new tires Corky and I only see Retreads. I hired the boys at GoodYear for fresh Rubber. Don't You think You would be pissed too if You only received used rubber for Your rig??

Larry

What sort of "change" would we be looking for at the CIA???? Oh, I know, the "change" will be that President Obama actually reads the intel memos. That's change you can believe in.

the people who thought an Obama admin would be oh so different than a Hillary admin.

Actually Hillary would be worse, but only marginally so with regards to domestic misandrist policy.

The benefit is in foreign relations and I think that may improve substantially.


I guess Obama just disagrees with you, Lar. Or maybe he just didn't swallow so much of his own kool aid....

Corky, you think he's more qualified than the Hyde Park Chief of Police??


Why Mikey, you have mail....

www.drudge.com

There isn't a nickles worth of difference between the Cabinet Obama has picked and what Clinton would have done..... except maybe Hil would have brought in more fresh faces, lmao!


On topic, I guess Obama figured the CIA needed a real personnel manager instead of another spook.


Posted by Corky at 2009-01-05 04:04 PM | Reply


Now You are talking out of Your ass Corky because Hillary would not be a Fresh face Herself. She would be recycled goods from Jump street.

Larry

-You would be pissed too

If I swallowed more kool aid than the candidate himself?

Naw, I think I would chalk it up to experience and maybe learn not to believe all the hype.


Wis,

I didn't really get that so I used The Googles

www.hydeparkny.us

I still don't get it....

If I swallowed more kool aid than the candidate himself?


Naw, I think I would chalk it up to experience and maybe learn not to believe all the hype.


Posted by Corky at 2009-01-05 04:09 PM | Reply


I guess You don't expect certain things from Your hires now do You Corky?? I guess You are fine with however they do their jobs for You as long as they please themselves huh??

Larry

"Where did you expect these "fresh faces" to get their relevent experience, other than in the last Dem admin?"

Is it impossible to get political experience anywhere but in a presidential administration? What about promoting someone from within the CIA, or at least finding someone who has experience with intelligence matters?

-The benefit is in foreign relations and I think that may improve substantially

Ya mean with Hillary as Sec of State, do ya?

roflmfao

I still don't get it....

#20 | Posted by Corky

Hyde Park in Ill. You know, where Obama lived on the Rezco estate.


Gee, Larry.... ya hire a guy for Leadership and then you bitch and moan when he leads. Some people are never satisfied.


Rezco might have done well at the CIA....

Hyde Park is a rich liberal enclave on the south side of Chicago. It is surrounded by ghettos upon which Obama's "community organization" had very little effect.

Gee, Larry.... ya hire a guy for Leadership and then you bitch and moan when he leads. Some people are never satisfied.


Posted by Corky at 2009-01-05 04:17 PM | Reply


I expected Fresh Faces You know a fresh start. Not so many Clintonites. If I wanted A Clinton administration I WOULD HAVE HIRED HILLARY do You not grasp that Corky.

Larry


Oh, I think I get it, Lar.

Oh, I think I get it, Lar.


Posted by Corky at 2009-01-05 04:20 PM | Reply

Obviously You don't or You aren't being intellectually honesty about it.

Larry


No, I'm just making fun of you again. Maybe I should apologize.

Maybe later.

Is it impossible to get political experience anywhere but in a presidential administration? What about promoting someone from within the CIA, or at least finding someone who has experience with intelligence matters?

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2009-01-05 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You can not tell Me there aren't qualified people for these positions that do not have Clinton tied to their names.

Larry

It seems to me that Billy-Boy hired a few no-names himself....
Maybe this is all part of the deal B.O. struck with Bill to get him to give up his speaking engagements.

I'm with you Larry. Dorky wants to pretend there's no such thing as someone with intelligence experience that didn't work for Clinton. Most of us aren't that naive.


Penatta IS a surprise.

I was thinking maybe Vlad Putin.... well, he does have experience.... and he's not real busy... and he isn't a Clintonista... just sayin'.

-Dorky wants to pretend there's no such thing as someone with intelligence experience

Would you care to point out where I said anything of the sort, Joelo?

Or will you just be pointing to your ass again where you usually find things?

On topic, I guess Obama figured the CIA needed a real personnel manager instead of another spook.


#11 | Posted by Corky at 2009-01-05 04:04 PM | Reply


I like Leon. I think he's smart as hell and an all around good egg (well as much as you can garner from watching him speak). I don't agree with him being the head of the CIA.

As for you Obamites that lapped up the transparent Hope and Change crap...You're a bunch of fucking fools, just like everyone including Democrats told you prior to the Primary.

Out of say 200 MILLION ADULTS. Only Clintonites are qualified to hold cabinet level and executive positions?? What rubbish Corky. If the only ones qualified are from the former Clinton Administration then this Country is in sadder shape than I thought.

Larry


I always liked Leon, too, I just didn't picture him in a cloak with a dagger.


And I can't believe you passed up the "spook" softball... ;^)

"Dorky wants to pretend there's no such thing as someone with intelligence experience"

"Would you care to point out where I said anything of the sort, Joelo?"

Sure. Right here:

Where did you expect these "fresh faces" to get their relevent experience, other than in the last Dem admin?
Posted by Corky

And my full quote was:

Dorky wants to pretend there's no such thing as someone with intelligence experience that didn't work for Clinton.


Larry,

Reread the thread carefully and find where I said, "Only Clintonites are qualified to hold cabinet level and executive positions".

Take your time, dear.

Considering the fact that Dumbya turned the CIA into a propaganda arm of the rethug party replete with the shameless and traitorous outing of an NOC spook whose husband dared speak truth to power a major housekeeping is well in order here.

Pannetta is a good pick fer that.

/That goes double fer the DoJ, btw.

Be Well.

Where did you expect these "fresh faces" to get their relevent experience, other than in the last Dem admin?

~Corky

True dat.

Anyone suprised by the plethora of ex-Clintonistas in major power positions in the Obama cabinet have simply not being paying attention at all.

Rtards are unhappy with it?

Well, don't that just break Spud's heart?/snark>

Be Well.

And I can't believe you passed up the "spook" softball... ;^)

#39 | Posted by Corky at 2009-01-05 04:46 PM | Reply


I tried to actually make a legit comment. I'll never make that mistake again...


Pookie for Director of the CIA!!!
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Joe-lo,

It's obvious to all but the most inane pettifogger that the most recent Dem admin might be where a normal person in Obama's situation would start looking for experienced help. No where did I, "pretend there's no such thing as someone with intelligence experience that didn't work for Clinton".

That was your usual overstatement, you know, the kind of posting that people usually laugh at you for.

Where did you expect these "fresh faces" to get their relevent experience, other than in the last Dem admin?

#5 | Posted by Corky at 2009-01-05 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag:

Rtards are unhappy with it?


Posted by dethspud

Unhappy with it? I doubt the Republicans ever bought into this "Change" bullshit in the first place. He certainly could have done worse considering his breath od experience.

Spud I am hardly a RTard and I am even unhappy with it.

Larry

Was that Pookie or Michele Obama?

Hope and Change! Change we can believe in! (I think these gullible fucks are falling for it...Better keep it up...) Yes we can! Foshizzle!
-Hussien Obama

All we need now is a position of power for that hottie, Madeleine Albright. Of course, Michelle might have a problem with it, being a trophy wife and all.

"No where did I, "pretend there's no such thing as someone with intelligence experience that didn't work for Clinton"."

Again, yes you did. It's right here:


Where did you expect these "fresh faces" to get their relevent experience, other than in the last Dem admin?
Posted by Corky at 2009-01-05 03:55 PM

You see, Dorky, when you ask someone critical of Obama's appointment where else he was supposed to find someone with experience, the suggestion is that he only could have found it in the place he already looked. Perhaps a routine English class would help.

Actually CorkScrew I think people in other countries will see America more favorably because Obama's election demonstrates that we as a people are willing to put aside the bigotry and prejudice that has long plagued this nation.

On the other hand his claim that discretion trumps experience is belied by selecting Biden for VP and nominating Clinton for SoS. Two worse choices I can hardly imagine.

As for your "mail" the delay in my receiving it is that I don't live in Appalachia where Clinton polled better than Obama. But I understand why you favor the region, like minds and all that.

Further, opposing feminists who gave up on equal and decide that preference was a better deal is not misogyny. For 30 years men have been portrayed as Al Bundy or Ted Bundy. Neither accurately depicts most men in America. But that campaign has produced a culture of misandry that is real and destructive to our society. I denigrate them because they deserve it. If you to know what a real women thinks of the feminist movement Google Erin Prizzy who started the first shelters for women and children in England. It's an inside look at feminism, and it's not pretty. Here's a snippet: Erin Prizzy Critiques Feminism


Joe-lo

If you'll check the first few posts, in between playing with your Dora the Explorer lunch kit, you'll see that I was responding in general to Lar's in general comments about Obama's cabinet picks, in general.

You are the one that said I, "pretend there's no such thing as someone with intelligence experience that didn't work for Clinton".

Again, your overstatement reflects a weak mind and an even weaker rhetorical ability.

You flunked out of pettifogg... uh, I mean law school, did you?

Don't like this choice. The spooks will make him dizzy from the circles they will run around him. The analysts will consider him a mirage. At best, he will be treated like George Bush sr.

- I denigrate them because they deserve it.

You denigrate women. (That's a period.)

Glad to see you admit it... you know, first baby steps and all. Keep it up and maybe you'll work out your misplaced hostility.

Maybe it won't even take the 5000 years it has taken women to come this far. And maybe you won't have to put up snide little assholes who demean your accomplishments, eh?

"I was responding in general to Lar's in general comments about Obama's cabinet picks, in general."

Well, Dorky, those "general" statements were at the top of a thread about Obama's CIA pick, and appeared to be a direct reference to that pick.

However, if your idiotic statement question as to where people were to get their experience other than the Clinton administration was in no way related to the choice of Leon Panetta, then of course, my bad.

put up with

-my bad

Agreed.

Deliberate ignorance from Dorky. Par for the course.


Well, I knew it would be ignorant to agree with you.

give the guy a chance

start the complaints after the 20th.


when a football team needs change

they get a new coach.

they don't change all the players... some players they keep.

obama if he went out and got all new people... who would he get? you and me?

there aren't THAT many to choose from who know what they are doing.

Spud I am hardly a RTard and I am even unhappy with it.

~Larry

Yeah, Spud gets that Larry.

Here's the deal.

Carter tried to change the face of Washington by bringing in too many outsiders and ended up getting insulated and shut out by the incestuous mob that runs the place. He was effectively a lame duck from the get-go, mostly.

Obama has obviously done a little reading and will not make the same mistake.

DC is an open sewer pipe at present where corruption is the rule rather than the exception. Spud has always sed that Obama's ability to make any sort of effective changes in that city are limited and predicated on how well he plays the game according to the unwritten rules.

Unwritten rule one is "Work with known quantities"

Rule number two (as the Clintons found out when they tried to eradicate "don't ask don't tell" right out of the gate) is "Chose yer battles wisely".

ie. Don't take on a herculean task that, if it backfires, will hamper yer ability to make any sort of future progress in other areas.

There is a grace period of sorts, a honeymoon if you will given to every new POTUS ordinarily but given the grim realities that Obama faces ie. two losing wars and an economy on the brink of depression he will not have the time given to previous admins.

Spud imagines Obama know that.

The CIA need an outside agent to come in and clean up the massive mess that Cheney's meatpuppet Dumbya left.

A total unknown would be laughed out of the room.

Leon won't, despite posts to the contrary already on this thread.

Be Well.

"The CIA need an outside agent to come in and clean up the massive mess ..."

I know I've forgotten way more than I still know (okay, not saying much). Still, has that ever really occurred?

Trying to figure out what, if any, intelligence experience Leon Panetta has. Even a stretch like we saw with Obama ("his inexperience is a positive") would be appreciated.

"Spud imagines Obama know that."

Why do you talk like this?

Seriously?

Your football analogy isn't appropriate here because the Team is already in place they just change the Coach. Now with a new Administration it's a clean Slate where no Team is already assembled. When You hire a new President You expect new faces in the Team. Not retreads from a previous Administration. Especially when You campaign on a Change theme.

Larry

obama if he went out and got all new people... who would he get? you and me?
Posted by klifferd

Tell that to members of Obama's own generation. It appears he's turned his back on the up and coming politicians for the old guard.

"Why do you talk like this?"

Methinks everyone adapts a persona for their appearance on internet discussion sites. Most are very bland. Spud shows imagination. Tip of the hat to him for that.

Spud shows imagination.
Posted by fyi

Then I must have a neighbor with imagination, that rides a special bus. And here I thought he was retarded.

maybe you won't have to put up snide little assholes

You're too much a masochist to leave Drudge.

My hostility, as you call it, is reactionary. I supported the Equal Rights Amendment partly because of my daughter. I think the effort should be resurrected. Women should not be given preference, and opposing that is not misogyny.

You're a sick man Corky. Though articulate and occasionally witty you really have you head up your partisan ass.

What WisGod said

"And here I thought he was retarded." - WisGod

So your 0-fer streak is continuing? Don't fret, it's gotta change sometime.

"What about promoting someone from within the CIA, or at least finding someone who has experience with intelligence matters?

#22 | Posted by JOE at 2009-01-05 04:14 PM | Reply | Flag:"

Of course, then Republican Joe would whine: where is the change?

Larry...

I guess you didn't hear Obama say the HE is the change, not just the people whom he places into positions of authority around him. Can you imagine anyone sentient choosing right now to place a gaggle of people with NO or extremely limited governmental experience in place? Spud is dead-on with his Carter analogy.

The difference and "change" with Obama has always begun and ended with himself as the ultimate arbiter of the open debates of policy and processes that the Bush 43 Administration never had. Obama never stated that he'd staff his Administration with inexperienced people just for the sake of calling it change.

Competence and desired outcomes are the goals, not just window-dressing and posturing attune to campaign slogans. Obama's much to pragmatic for such tripe in my opinion. Give it a chance to work, and I believe you'll be surprised by how well things will turn out.

Tell that to members of Obama's own generation. It appears he's turned his back on the up and coming politicians for the old guard.

This is the beginning of his Administration, not the end. All good things in time....

I guess I expected Different from Obama TonyRoma. His cabinet and executive picks are an extention of Himself because they are an intergal part of His administration. Consider the President as the head of the Human Body and His Cabinet/Executive picks are His hands and feet that do the work of the Head. If the Head is placed on a body of a cadaver that has already been used how is that real change?? All You have is the Head that is different but the body is not. Tell Me where I am wrong in this. Please Tony.

Larry

If everyone in the Obama administration were unknowns people would bitch 'they have no experience'.

The CIA is an arm of the executive branch. Good to have someone Obama can trust will tell it to him straight. Panetta, as a former Chief of Staff, would have been privy to all the functions of various intelligence agencies that serve the President - CIA, NSA, NSC, etc.


If everyone in the Obama administration were unknowns people would bitch 'they have no experience'.


The CIA is an arm of the executive branch. Good to have someone Obama can trust will tell it to him straight. Panetta, as a former Chief of Staff, would have been privy to all the functions of various intelligence agencies that serve the President - CIA, NSA, NSC, etc.


#79 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2009-01-05 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Your point would be valid if those unknown picks had no educational degrees nor previous work experience in said field of necessity. As long as they had the credentials who could argue against them AU??

Larry

Larry...

It comes down to what its always been. Obama will use the best minds possible to make the best, reasoned decisions possible for outcomes which benefit this nation and us, its citizens. Just because many have been at this rodeo before doesn't undermine that its management and its emphasis are under totally new control.

Take your concern and stretch it to its logical outcome. Should everyone within the entire bureaucracy be pink-slipped because they worked under 43 or Clinton since they don't represent change?

Change is listening and debating more than one's desired outcome and spinning the PR to fit. That is the change Obama offered and is in the process of putting in place. We need competence and professionalism and I see Obama delivering that with his picks. I see the need to be ready to govern last month. Obama has been governing in the eyes of the world. Change, to me, means a government that works FOR me instead of AGAINST my interests and civil liberties and for a more stable world, not one in which everyone is an enemy.

Give him a chance Larry before letting cynicism set in. Let him govern before drawing too many conclusions just from familiar names and faces. I have a feeling the former Clintonites are going to behave quite differently in the Obama Administration than they did over 8 years ago.

It comes down to what its always been. Obama will use the best minds possible to make the best, reasoned decisions possible for outcomes which benefit this nation and us, its citizens. Just because many have been at this rodeo before doesn't undermine that its management and its emphasis are under totally new control.

#81 | Posted by tonyroma at 2009-01-05 06:23 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Can You honestly say out of 200 Million Adults out there the only ones qualified are former Clintonites. Honestly Tony if I wanted a bunch of Clintonites I would have voted for Hillary.

Larry


Good use of your imagination, fyi

Can You honestly say out of 200 Million Adults out there the only ones qualified are former Clintonites. Honestly Tony if I wanted a bunch of Clintonites I would have voted for Hillary.

Let's jump into the "way-back" machine Larry and go for a little ride....

Do you remember anyone complaining about the competence and professionalism of Clinton's appointee's except for those targeted by the rightwing smear machine? I don't seem to remember a clammoring for different folks except for some who were thought not to be progressive enough, but not a lot of problems on competence and in the quality of department leadership, was there?

If Obama is going to find experienced folks who happen to be Democrats/progressives/
liberals just where were they going to get their governmental experiences over the last 28 years?

There was only one place and that was in the 8 years of the Clinton Administration, wasn't it? I see Obama balancing both experience and fresh perspectives with his choices, particularly those in advisory capacities. A lot of Obama's choices actually turned on the Clintons when they backed Bush's insane Iraq policy, so calling them "Clinonites" as though its a monolithic bloc of idealouges isn't being remotely fair nor balanced about the diversity which Bill fostered in his Administration.

Again, the only difference which matters in the end is that they serve at the pleasure of Barrack Obama, NOT Hillary Clinton, and to me that difference is as wide and deep as the Pacific Ocean. Obama's perspective, vision, and leadership style makes all the difference in the world, imo.
(And this is NOT a slam on Hillary in any way. Given the choice, I prefer Obama for RIGHT NOW based on our needs and the state of the globe. He has more leeway than she ever would have with friends and foes alike.)

Still waiting for any actual intelligence experience that Panetta has. Saying his chief of staff position somehow qualifies him is like saying that the head of the PGA would automatically be a good golfer.

I liked every pick up until this one. I think head of the CIA is too important to bring in someone who has no experience there. Hope this doesn't come back to bite President Obama like a certain FEMA director did for Bush.

"Change" the positions of the Clinton Administration.

"Hope" it works.

I was expecting a gang of Chicago hacks. Instead we're getting another Clinton administration. Somehow I'm getting the impression that Bill is running the show from the background.

I will sleep very well at night knowing we have a 70yo CIA director with no expirence.

"Panetta has relatively little experience in national security matters, though he did participate in daily intelligence briefings with President Bill Clinton when he served as Clinton's chief of staff between 1994 and 1997."


So this is the bar for qualifications? I have heard of change but hmmm.....makes you wonder what the one is thinking?


I was expecting a gang of Chicago hacks. Instead we're getting another Clinton administration. Somehow I'm getting the impression that Bill is running the show from the background.


Posted by Ray at 2009-01-05 09:08 PM | Reply

It sure stinks to high heaven Ray.

Larry

"Instead we're getting another Clinton administration."

Oh NO!

'Cause that last round of 8 million jobs, reduced deficits each year, worldwide respect, a soaring Dow, and true surplus budgets delivered to his successor were painful.

lets see
the cia employs osama bin laden

maybe they'll fire him with this non cia insider runnin it

'Cause that last round of 8 million jobs, reduced deficits each year, worldwide respect, a soaring Dow, and true surplus budgets delivered to his successor were painful.

Posted by Danforth at 2009-01-05 09:13 PM | Reply

It would be one thing if Hillary was the next President but She isn't. I expected Change not a regurgitating of Old Administration players.

Larry

A political hack for head of the CIA is what Barry means by hope and change.

"I expected Change not a regurgitating of Old Administration players."

Maybe the change is from cronyism to competence. Not enough for you?

Maybe the change is from cronyism to competence. Not enough for you?

Posted by Danforth at 2009-01-05 09:24 PM | Reply

Out of 200 MILLION Addults the only ones competetent enough are from the Clinton Administration?? Even I am not THAT stupid.

Larry

What? Cindy Sheehan turned BHO down, so we wind up with Leon? This is beyond absurd.

"the only ones competetent enough "

Why are you pissing on competence?

Leon is not qualified--at all.

Sitting in on briefings is not what the CIA Chief would put on their resume.

In fact, Maxwell Smart is better qualified--and Leon resembles agent 86.


Now if there was another reason--like having Leon dismantle the CIA--that makes perfect sense.

OK, for everyone who thinks this is a flawed pick, just think about this. Panetta is experienced and he knows his way around DC politics. He is loyal. And he is not of the GOP inner sanctum of military-industrial clones that Cheney felt so comfortable with. In fact, Panetta, while being very smart is the anti-Cheney adviser. He will give great advice. He will analyze with a critical and judicious set of eyes and ears. And he won't take crap from neocons.

The CIA is the President's personal intel service and unofficial para-military special ops service. It's a big deal.

Given Panetta's credentials -- all important credentials, I'm for his selection. Anyone can run a bureaucracy. Knowing which bureaucrats are trustworthy and which ones aren't is what counts.

He knows nothing about security. Nothing!

He is better for the Department of Kissing Ass than protecting the country.

Why are you pissing on competence?

Posted by Danforth at 2009-01-05 09:38 PM | Reply

I voted for an Obama Administration. NOT a Clinton Administration with an Obama Face.

Larry

Leon Panetta??? wtf??? I mean, seriously, wtf is Obama doing here? This is gonna cost him a lot of points. Dumb Dumb Dumb choice.


OK, for everyone who thinks this is a flawed pick, just think about this. Panetta is experienced and he knows his way around DC politics. He is loyal. And he is not of the GOP inner sanctum of military-industrial clones that Cheney felt so comfortable with. In fact, Panetta, while being very smart is the anti-Cheney adviser. He will give great advice. He will analyze with a critical and judicious set of eyes and ears. And he won't take crap from neocons.


The CIA is the President's personal intel service and unofficial para-military special ops service. It's a big deal.


Given Panetta's credentials -- all important credentials, I'm for his selection. Anyone can run a bureaucracy. Knowing which bureaucrats are trustworthy and which ones aren't is what counts.

#16 | Posted by townncountry at 2009-01-05 09:40 PM |


Spot-on TNC. Panetta is a centrist to boot. If memories serves me right, the Bush Admin threw the last CIA head and right hand man under the bus w/ regards to Afghanistan and Bin Laden. Panetta will keep the house (no pun) in order.

One of Carter's problems was he brought his Georgia gang with him, and was left without enough DC insiders. Obama seems determined not to follow the same path.


Leon Panetta??? wtf??? I mean, seriously, wtf is Obama doing here? This is gonna cost him a lot of points. Dumb Dumb Dumb choice.

#19 | Posted by bellaspapa at 2009-01-05 09:46 PM


Why's that bella?

I voted for an Obama Administration. NOT a Clinton Administration with an Obama Face.

"You can't always get what you want.
You can't always get what you want.
You can't always get what you want.
But if you try sometime you'll find
You get what you need"

Rolling Stones

but hey, it's still a BIG step up from Shrub's hackery job.

Well, isn't this what we want, all politics all the time.

It so productive to choose people who are familiar with PLAYING politics, it gets a whole lot done and just they way we want it done.

It would be one thing if Hillary was the next President but She isn't. I expected Change not a regurgitating of Old Administration players.
#9 | Posted by LarryMohr

must not... say .... I told... you... so...

but seriously, change didn't necessarily mean that there would be fresh faces in every spot, but that what Obama did with these people would be different. At least that was the talking point.

That said, I don't know how you pick somebody whose highest position was essentially running the president's schedule, but I'm sure that Obama knows something that we don't know. He better know something that we don't know.

#19 | Posted by bellaspapa at 2009-01-05 09:46 PM

Why's that bella?

#22 | POSTED BY REDSOXFAN AT 2009-01-05 09:48 PM |

because he's gong to get eaten alive over this, from both sides of the aisle. I wasn't commenting on Panetta's qualifications one way or the other, I have no idea if he'll be good at this job or not. Who does? I only meant the political fallout for the big O.

change

maybe, if we're lucky

except Wall Street won't stand for it

Everyone is wondering what the Clintons have on Barry.

Yes that experience as a community organizer and head of the Harvard Law Review is really showing on this pick.

Yes, I will repeat it once again, Barack Obama is not qualified or experienced enough to be president!

Politically, Obama does not have to worry about the Republicans. But he should keep a good eye on the Clintonites that he has surrounded himself with. Maybe Governor Richardson realized that the best time to leave, was before arriving.

"Yes, I will repeat it once again, Barack Obama is not qualified or experienced enough to be president!"

WOW! President-elect Obama is not qualified or experienced enough to be, well, president.

No doubt the voters of America will take heed of that.

I wonder what they'll ultimately decide?

Hans

Obama is a puppet.

Question is -- who's pulling the strings?

Johhny-
Why do you think Obama is a "puppet"?

#20 | Posted by Redsoxfan

Excuse me mr socks--

But you are referring to George Tenet--who was a hold over from the Clinton Administration.

He had to go after 9/11.

Does this all ring a bell?

-----

And Leon is picked to dismantle the CIA--just like he did with the military when Clonton picked him for the Office of Management and Budget.

And look for all the national security secrets to be on display in the NYT.

And our enemies cheered!

"And look for all the national security secrets to be on display in the NYT."

Yeah! That would be new...

The Plame Game
Oops.

Hans

"Johhny-Why do you think Obama is a "puppet"?"

Because Boy George was a puppet, so everyone must be.

Danforth-
Well, that makes more sense than the affirmative-action-same-as-
the-black-quarterback Limbaugh bullshit that Johnny was pimping.

I just worry that God forbid we are attacked again its used against Obama because Panetta really isn't qualified to run the CIA. Just like Brown and his abysmal performance/qualifications wrecked Bush's second term after Katrina. I wish he had picked someone more in the mold of his NSA for this extremely important position.

Funny how Obama can't ever make a mistake or exercise poor judgement in some people's eyes. Dan your blind faith in the president-elect is nothing short of amazing. I can't stand Bush and am excited about the new administration but damn -- you talk like Obama has a paper asshole.

As to why I don't think he's pulling the strings it is apparent to most folks here that he's picking a lot of Clinton retreads. Which again, is fine with me but it makes me wonder....

Well, as long as Israel is happy with his choices, what difference does it make?

"Dan your blind faith in the president-elect is nothing short of amazing."

Whereas your condemnation of the man before he draws his first breath as President is par for the course.

Black quarterback Limbaugh bullshit? you've got me confused with someone else Betelg. With JohnnyHotSauce perhaps? Put your readers on.

Johnnylock-
So, your entire argument regarding Obama as a "puppet" is that he's choosing Democrats with executive branch experience to serve in his administration?

That's it?

Johnny-
re: Obama is a puppet.

Question is -- who's pulling the strings?

#31 | Posted by johnnylock at 2009-01-05 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

You haven't even kinda almost sorta made your case, so I just assumed you were a mimic.

Prove me wrong.

a very, very, very astute magical puppet, though:>)


ps knows when to keep his mouth shut





i.e. Gaza slaughter galore off topic for now until 1/20/12?

whoops 1/20/2013?

There's a lot worse choices we could make for important positions.

Like.. a one-term Senator who isn't even finished with that term yet.

whoops 1/20/2013?

Um... the world will be over by then. This batshit insane youtube video convinced me.

Not really, though.

There's a lot worse choices we could make for important positions.

Like.. a one-term Senator who isn't even finished with that term yet.

#46 | Posted by soheifox at 2009-01-05 11:57 PM

ff and also my first ever newsworthy flag

Sohei-
I'm truly sorry that whomever you voted for lost. Get over it.

Watching this election, one thing struck me sharply; it was something that was not political in the usual sense of the word:

One guy was ready, and on the ball. The other guy was flailing around like a half-gutted fish. Fortunately, the guy on his game won.

"a one-term Senator who isn't even finished with that term yet."

Truman wouldn't have been finished with his second term when he became President. He didn't turn out so bad. How about if we give the guy a chance in the Oval Office before condemning him?

An hour or two should do it for you guys.


"whoops 1/20/2013?"


Um... the world will be over by then. This batshit insane youtube video convinced me.

#47 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Satan minons coming thru the black hole...lol

now where have I heard that one before:>)

www.imdb.com

Truman wouldn't have been finished with his second term when he became President. He didn't turn out so bad.


Dear Yahoo!:
Which presidents have received the highest and lowest approval ratings?
...
The all-time worst numbers belong to Harry Truman (23%),

It's my own opinion -- not kinda of sort of -- it is. If I had proof of the Clintons strong-arming Obama do you honestly think my life would be so dull that I'd be posting on this site?

And if you cannot see that appointing old Clinton appointees is politically problematic and highly spurious, you're either incredibly naive or nothing but a hack for Obama. I'm going with the latter (that's me being nice btw).

I'll say it again. I'm thrilled/excited/happy about Obama but I do not understand this particular appointment. But I don't think you do either. Now go back to giving Danforth a reach around and leave me alone.

The all-time worst numbers belong to Harry Truman (23%),

Posted by goatman


& he gave us LBJ by golly!

Goatman-
Wow. Those numbers rival Bush's approval rating after eight years. I'm sure Bush will have a comeback as well, don't you?

As for Obama, you think maybe he should assume office for maybe one day before history judges his failed tenure?

Would anyone here consider Andrew Card to be qualified to head the CIA?

"The all-time worst numbers belong to Harry Truman (23%)"

Yet he's consistently listed as one of our greatest presidents.

Oh, and btw, you're wrong:

politicalinquirer.com

Goat, everytime a bird goes down on the coast I think about you and your ilk---which is far less than I should.

www.ksat.com

That's 8 devastated families.

Johnny-
re: "If I had proof of the Clintons strong-arming Obama do you honestly think my life would be so dull that I'd be posting on this site?"

Of course not. I would guess that you would describe Obama as a "puppet" and then run away from the charge precisely because you are full of shit, can't back up what you say, and are merely mimicking some crap you heard or read from someone else who is also full of shit.

Oh, and btw, you're wrong:

If there is any error, it is in the source. I am not the source.

But if you google "truman approval rating" you'll see hundreds of links to the same 'error'. So don't argue the point with me, argue it with the owners of those links.

Panetta is experienced and he knows his way around DC politics.

I'm tired of hearing nonsense like that. Lobbyists also "know their way around DC politics" - are they qualified to run the CIA?

Why is something abstract like that even important? Shouldn't actual intelligence experience matter more?

He is loyal.

So he won't challenge Obama or the Democrats when they offer ideas he doesn't agree with? Is that a good thing?

...and are merely mimicking some crap you heard or read from someone else who is also full of shit.

Like Josh Marshall.

I'm sure Bush will have a comeback as well, don't you?

No I don't. (what does this have to do with Truman?)

As for Obama, you think maybe he should assume office for maybe one day before history judges his failed tenure?

???

That doesn't even make sense. History can't judge him as president until he has been president.

That doesn't even make sense. History can't judge him as president until he has been president.

#65 | Posted by goatman at 2009-01-06 12:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

I completely agree.

Get banned much, "Jak"?

Goat, everytime a bird goes down on the coast I think about you and your ilk---which is far less than I should.

www.ksat.com

That's 8 devastated families

Yes, that was tragic, wasn't it. In fact, I've got an office email open right now about that incident.

There was also the Air Logistics crash last month. Did you hear about that one?

People bitch about the bi-annual helicopter emergency egress class we have to go to, but I go to it quite willingly. They put you in a fuselage, take it underwater, invert it, and you have to get out one of the windows. I would hate to have to do that for the first time in an actually crash. It's not as easy as one would think. Being upside in water is quite disorienting.

All the time.

I'm creating a new a new handle to circumvent the rules, though.

Shhh.

Promise not to tell anyone else, though, K?

"But if you google "truman approval rating" you'll see hundreds of links to the same 'error'. "

So it's their fault you didn't google using the right words?

www.google.com

Jak-
Interesting. The private owner of a blog asks you to leave, and you're an anarchist on a dime.

"down with The Man", eh Pinche?

Of course not. I would guess that you would describe Obama as a "puppet" and then run away from the charge precisely because you are full of shit, can't back up what you say, and are merely mimicking some crap you heard or read from someone else who is also full of shit.

Posted by BetelG


lol...boyd at his best?

I made a link to the your statement about Truman being so good. If you want to deflect to Bush in a ham-handed attempt to cover up your mistake, go for it

However, I think I'll trust the opinion of Truman's contempories and ignore the single modern day blogger who disagrees with them all.

PS danforth -- why do you use the word 'bush' to find truman's approval ratings -- and then say it was I who used the wrong words? Are you insane? You're not usually this dishonest. What's up tonight?

(Psst...Pinche...If you wait until Cadenhead isn't looking, you can sneak in sodas and snacks...)

The private owner of a blog asks you to leave...

I just changed my screen name to a handle that left no doubt as to my previous identity.

What's your excuse, you chickenshit?

Or, perhaps, there is no excuse for someone like you.

"I made a link to the your statement about Truman being so good."

And made a false claim, which was immediately proven wrong. If you can't simply admit that for one reason or another, I understand. But don't blame your lack of accuracy on the googles. You were determined to somehow show me up, facts be damned.

"why do you use the word 'bush' to find truman's approval ratings"

Simple. I knew you were wrong, and I know who holds the record.

Pinche-
So, you weren't banned? You just wanted to change your hair color?

Post as "Pinche Mao" once and prove me wrong.

...and I know who holds the record.

#79 | Posted by Danforth

just about everyone does.

Where's the confusion?


" I think I'll trust the opinion of Truman's contempories and ignore the single modern day blogger who disagrees with them all."

WTF? You claimed "The all-time worst numbers belong to Harry Truman (23%)" You were wrong. What does " the opinion of Truman's contempories" have to do with your error?

You said:

Truman wouldn't have been finished with his second term when he became President. He didn't turn out so bad.

His contemporaries disagree, regardless of the approval rating of future presidents.

www.google.com

"Where's the confusion?"

#54.

Yep Goatman is incorrect. Dubya is the worst President ever. Lower approval rating than even Truman. I remember when Dubya started the long slide JeffJ kept saying that Truman was at 23% but now Dubya even bestested that by a whopping 4 percentage points to reach 19% approval rating. Even I know that 19% is smaller than 23%

Larry

You claimed "The all-time worst numbers belong to Harry Truman (23%)"

I did? Which post?

Jak_Se_Mao

Oh dear. I sense another DR Fairytale in progess: The Prodigal Son Returns. Oh, wait, that's only a fairytale to some people.

Oh double dear. Mao and the words fairy tale in the same sentence. Whodda thunk it?

Where's the confusion?"

#54.

???

Do you think I write the answers in the 'ask yahoo' column?

#54.

Pinche_mao does not exsist anymore. if You go to google and type in www.drudge.com/user/pinche_mao with the http:// in front of it You will wind up at the front page of the Retort.

Larry

Let's get back to your original statement -- as much as you are trying to steer away from it:

Truman wouldn't have been finished with his second term when he became President. He didn't turn out so bad

Why do you say that? Just an opinion? Do you think his contemporaries were wrong?

"Do you think I write the answers in the 'ask yahoo' column?"

No, I think you can't man up and admit your claim was wrong. I'm sure I can find incorrect answers on the web, too; that doesn't excuse me when I'm wrong.

#54.

Let's focus on #52 (which is before 54)

How do you support this statement and the descrepancy between it and Truman's contemporaries?

"Do you think his contemporaries were wrong?"

I think they were overreacting to MacArthur's firing.

"Let's get back to your original statement..."

Translation: If I can deflect enough, I won't have to admit I was full of shit.

"Let's focus on..."

More dancing. You can't admit you were dead wrong, can you?

Ode to Goatman

I dreamed I was a goat, hobbling up a hill; then I awoke. Now I wonder: Am I a man who dreamt of being a goat, or am I a goat dreaming that I am a man?

You can't admit you were dead wrong, can you?

Dan, you are a mean man. Why can't you let Goat be wrong in living color?

; that doesn't excuse me when I'm wrong.

Posted by Danforth


when was the last time that happened ~ if ever?:>)


"The key is to keep company only with people who uplift you, whose presence calls forth your best."
Epictetus

More dancing. You can't admit you were dead wrong, can you?

LOL More deflection. No, I was not wrong. I quoted someone. How does that make me wrong.

So again for the (4th, 5th) time -- How do you account for your post 52. Just can't admit that you were wrong there, can you? Those are your words. They are wrong.

Quit dancing and admit you were wrong. I would do the same if I was the originator of the quote I posted.

I dreamed I was a goat, hobbling up a hill; then I awoke. Now I wonder: Am I a man who dreamt of being a goat, or am I a goat dreaming that I am a man?

That's the beauty of being a chimera. It can be both!

More dancing.

The Drudge Retort Two Step or the Peon Ease Waltz?

shutup gloat!:>)

shutup gloat!:>)

Anything for you, sweetie! *grin*

shutup gloat!:>)

LOL

Um, sorry, Goat. :-)

"How do you account for your post 52"

History has come to a different conclusion than Truman's contemporaries, who were over-miffed at the firing of MacArthur.

"I was not wrong. I quoted someone. How does that make me wrong."

Your source was wrong, and you were too lazy to find the truth. You were more interested in trying to show me up rather than actually doing research before barfing up a lie.

It's obvious you're in the mood to be an obstinate dickhead tonight. Your mistake in post #54 is there for all to see, as several posters have referenced; I'll leave it at that.


Truman wouldn't have been finished with his second term when he became President. He didn't turn out so bad.



Dear Yahoo!:
Which presidents have received the highest and lowest approval ratings?
...
The all-time worst numbers belong to Harry Truman (23%),

#54 | Posted by goatman at 2009-01-06 12:14 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
e

Seems top Me that would be an incorrect Statement since Dubya has gone as low as 19%

Larry

new boss same as the old boss

Quit dancing

The Danforth Hustle? Or is it the Danforth Shuffle? Either way, you guys a bunch of dancing fools.

Goat

"...That's 8 devastated families.

#60 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-01-06 12:22 AM"


Yes, that was tragic, wasn't it. In fact, I've got an office email open right now about that incident.

There was also the Air Logistics crash last month. Did you hear about that one?

#68 | Posted by goatman at 2009-01-06 12:32 AM


I remember hearing about last month's chopper crash. I believed it happened as the crew on board were heading out to an offshore rig? I remembered once I learned that then I wasn't worried it might have been you 'cause at that time I believe you were either already working on your rig (or were back home?) so I knew it wasn't you on board -- thank God. Then I thought about your boy but read the crash didn't involve anyone connected with his rig either.

Still, at the time FATHOM didn't know and he posted this about you as he was concerned about you too.

GOATMAN,

Hopefully you were not on that Chopper crash in the Gulf today.
Send your coordinates and an AOK signal.

#67 | Posted by fwthom at 2008-12-12 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:


Not only is post #52 wrong, but the comparison is stupid. Truman was also a commander in World War I, ran a business and was a JUDGE, all prior to being a Senator and then President. So to say "Truman wasn't at the end of his first term" in comparison to Obama is not only wrong, it is ignorant of the fact that pre-president Truman was a god compared to pre-president Obama.

Pinche_mao does not exsist anymore. if You go to google and type in www.drudge.com/user/pinche_mao with the http: in front of it You will wind up at the front page of the Retort.

That's change you can believe in, Larry.


new boss same as the old boss

Goddamn right.

*You don't have to fear me, Rasta.*

Your source was wrong, and you were too lazy to find the truth.

The truth is that you were wrong if we are to believe Truman's contemporaries.

You're full of venom tonight, danforth. Whenever someone says something and are wrong, the retorter will say, "You are wrong". However, if someone posts a link that is disputed, the retorter will say, "your link is wrong". You, however, chose to get personal and blame me, not the link.

If it's a personal dislike of me that causes you to attack me for someone else's error, all I can say is "get over it". I'm an anomymous person in cyberspace. I'm not worth getting worked up into a frothing frenzy over, for christ sake.

And if I posted a link in error, tell me. But don't call me a liar for someone else's error.

"Truman was also a commander in World War I..."

Of a small battalion.

"...ran a business"

Into bankruptcy.

"...and was a JUDGE"

His position was administrative, not judicial.

www.trumanlibrary.org

"So to say "Truman wasn't at the end of his first term""

I never said that.


Not only is post #52 wrong, but the comparison is stupid. Truman was also a commander in World War I, ran a business and was a JUDGE, all prior to being a Senator and then President. So to say "Truman wasn't at the end of his first term" in comparison to Obama is not only wrong, it is ignorant of the fact that pre-president Truman was a god compared to pre-president Obama.

Posted by JOE


act like a god, too, nukin' all 'em critters

Either way, you guys a bunch of dancing fools.

I don't know much about dancin
Thats why I got this song
One of my legs is shorter than the other
n both my feets too long
course now right along with em
I got no natural rhythm
But I go dancin every night
Hopin one day I might get it right
Im a dancin fool, Im a
Dancin fool
I hear that beat; I jump outa my seat,
But I cant compete, cause Im a
Dancin fool, Im a
Dancin fool

zappa

oops...pre-president

wasn't Truman mafia bossman of some city state before?

Still, at the time FATHOM didn't know and he posted this about you as he was concerned about you too.

Wish I had seen it at the time. I'd have sent a post out.

"You, however, chose to get personal and blame me, not the link."

My first reference was Oh, and btw, you're wrong. Nothing more. But then you blamed your sources instead of your laziness. I'm sure I could find dozens of sources claiming "tax cuts increase revenues", but if I'm lazy enough to post that without discovering what every Econ 101 student knows---not once inflation is factored---it's not the fault of my sources. It's my mistake for sourcing incorrectly.

*You don't have to fear me, Rasta.*

Surely you jest. A Rastaninja fears no one.

"Of a small battalion."

Even fighting in World War I would be far more military experience than our current commander-in-chief-elect. Certainly you know that, but feel the need to pretend that the size of the battalion Truman commanded matters anyways. My guess is that that battalion was larger than anything Obama has ever run.

"His position was administrative, not judicial."

Wrong. He was initially elected to an administrative position but was later elected presiding judge of the county court in 1926.
www.biography.com

wasn't Truman mafia bossman of some city state before?

He had strong ties to [someone] Pendergast in Kansas City who was a shady character.

Surely you jest. A Rastaninja fears no one.

Except the "fearless" among us need not advance their agenda via self-destruct emails.

Methinks Rastaninja a chickenshit.

wasn't Truman mafia bossman of some city state before?

#118 | Posted by Bani

Freedonia

He shaved his mustache, changed eyeglasses, and let his hair go gray. No one ever suspected.

en.wikipedia.org

That would be TOM Pendergast

"Boss Tom" Pendergast gave workers jobs and helped elect politicians

Sounds like Tony Rezko.

Tom Pendergast

en.wikipedia.org

And I hereby absolve myself of all errors, misconceptions, outright lies, ambiguous statements, or any other claims, statements or testaments that may be considered less than the truth. I have taken no part in the writing of this wiki article and do not take any credit or blame for facts, perceived facts, or data within. I am merely posting a link which may or may not be 100% accurate, and yes, I admit I am too lazy to do a thesis and research necessary to verify every word within this article.

So read with caution fully understanding my complete disassociation with this link. And please send me a signed and notarized affidavit waiving me of responsibility to any claim within this article before reading it.

Methinks Rastaninja a chickenshit.

Ode to Rastaninja

I dreamed I was chickenshit, plopping in Mao's email; then I awoke. Now I wonder: Am I a Rastaninja who dreamt of being chickenshit, or am I chickenshit dreaming that I am a Rastaninja?

"He was initially elected to an administrative position but was later elected presiding judge of the county court in 1926."

Presiding Judge was an administrative position.

"Truman was elected in 1922, to be one of three judges of the Jackson County Court. Judge Truman whose duties were in fact administrative rather than judicial, built a reputation for honesty and efficiency in the management of county affairs. He was defeated for reelection in 1924, but won election as presiding judge in the Jackson County Court in 1926."

www.trumanlibrary.org

And from Wiki:

"In 1930 Truman coordinated the "Ten Year Plan", which transformed Jackson County and the Kansas City skyline with new public works projects, including an extensive series of roads, construction of a new Wight and Wight-designed County Court building, and the dedication of a series of 12 Madonna of the Trail monuments honoring pioneer women."

For roads, Truman famously got his driver to drive him on all the roads until the driver's butt wore out. He kept notes on how old the road was, and how rough the ride was for its age. Hardly something a judge hearing cases would do.

While I was writing my disclaimer, Larry beat me to it. Thanks, Larry.

NP Goatman

This is just one more reason to trust Obama as president.

www.youtube.com

I mean how could I have ever thought him unqualified.

Jak Se Mao = Pinche Joto


lol Freedonia, disclaimer & chickenshit:>)


more Truman stuff below;

It was about this time that Truman hooked up with Pendergast, the man running Jackson County politics. Pendergast and company called on Truman to run for Jackson County judge because of his good reputation. He received the Democratic nomination and took the oath in 1923. He lost re-election in 1924, but was again elected county judge in 1926.

While Pendergast was known for his "strong-arm" techniques and corruption, Truman realized the only way to work for the people of Jackson County was to work with the Pendergast machine. So, while his two fellow judges would shoot craps during court, Truman, according to one historian, would introduce legislation for Jackson County.

Truman's association with Pendergast, however, made him out to be a tool of the machine in the eyes of many.

"He was very conscious of that," Rushay said. "It was baggage he carried with him. He always tried to retain his independence and integrity and I think he did. Pendergast didn't pressure Truman into corruption. Truman gave the machine the appearance of uprightness and honesty."

Truman went on to the US Senate in 1935 and the vice presidency in 1944. He returned to Kansas City for Pendergast's funeral in 1945. Pendergast had served jail time for tax evasion and Truman was widely criticized for attending the services, but Truman simply contended Pendergast had been a friend.

Truman's political career climaxed when he took the presidential oath upon Franklin D. Roosevelt's death in April 1945. As the 33rd president of the United States, Truman endured many challenges, not the least of which was ending WWII. His decision to drop the atomic bomb helped shape postwar nuclear policy. He also is responsible for the creation of NATO, the National Security Council, and the CIA.

www.experiencekc.com

I dreamed I was chickenshit, plopping in Mao's email; then I awoke. Now I wonder: Am I a Rastaninja who dreamt of being chickenshit, or am I chickenshit dreaming that I am a Rastaninja?

You might just be an NYU grad student with a previous double major in Literature and Womyns Studies who just came up with a thesis topic.

Who would have known, Obama the community activist, the fancy lawyer, even the restaurant critic.

Hell with qualifications like that even I am starting to believe in change. Of course the kind of change I am starting to believe in is pocket change. After Obama, Pelosi and the gang get through with this country thats all that will be left.

"guy & dolls" sort of stuff?:>)

"Presiding Judge was an administrative position."

Okay. So, we have a guy who was a Commander in World War I, a presiding judge who dealt with federal budget, regulation and allotment issues and a two-term senator...versus a community organizer who did nothing in Illinois and quickly rose to fame as a guy who sponsored next to nothing in the US Senate.

I'd put Truman's corpse in the White House over Barack Obama.

BUZKILLER

You're right! Eating is a buzz killer.

It can probably even kill a buz (whatever that is)

Surely you jest. A Rastaninja fears no one.

Except the "fearless" among us need not advance their agenda via self-destruct emails.

Methinks Rastaninja a chickenshit.

Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Prove it, where are these emails?

Hell with qualifications like that even I am starting to believe in change. Of course the kind of change I am starting to believe in is pocket change. After Obama, Pelosi and the gang get through with this country thats all that will be left.

#138 | Posted by buzkiller


you mean you still have some change after bush...damn how did u do it?!

I thought Ray & Vernon were the only DR posters that made money during the time of bush junior

you are right Joe, Franken is far more qualified than any republican Presidential contender ~ except Ron Paul, of course:>)

Prove it, where are these emails?

Posted by rastaninja at 2009-01-06 02:00 AM | Reply

I have 2 of Yours saved upon My harddrive Jackass. You really want to play innocent ehhhhhhhhhhhh Typical of Your ilk.

Larry

the size of the battalion Truman commanded

From your own link it states that he commanded a BATTERY of field artillery. That's more likely the size of a platoon or maybe two.

A standard battery at the time was 4-6 guns and about ten men to man a gun. Harry was a captain, and his unit saw front line combat. www.worldwar1.com

Prove it, where are these emails?

Well that's kinda the point of a "spiffy.net" email in the first place, isn't it?

Dumbass.

And guilty people don't implore their accusers to "prove it".

I could care less about the emails to a seldom used account, personally.

I just enjoy the public display of chickenshit.

"Okay."

So, in your post #122, when you said I was wrong, you were the one who was wrong. Okay.

"So, we have a guy who was a Commander in World War I"

Heading a smaller group than a Presidential campaign.

"a presiding judge who dealt with federal budget, regulation and allotment issues"

As Obama has.

"and a two-term senator"

versus a one-term Senator...yup, HUGE difference there.

"...versus a community organizer who did nothing in Illinois"

Nothing?!? You're either joking, or a joke.

Mr. Obama helped deliver what is said to have been the first significant campaign finance reform law in Illinois in 25 years. He brought law enforcement groups around to back legislation requiring that homicide interrogations be taped and helped bring about passage of the state's first racial-profiling law. He was a chief sponsor of a law enhancing tax credits for the working poor, played a central role in negotiations over welfare reform and successfully pushed for increasing child care subsidies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/ 07/30/us/politics/30obama.html

"a guy who sponsored next to nothing in the US Senate."

How many first-term Senators get legislation passed in the Senate?

Lugar-Obama NonProliferation:
obama.senate.gov

Kerry-Obama Tax Relief for Troops:
obama.senate.gov

And a few more bills he co-sponsored:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/
bdquery/?&Db=d109&querybd=@FIELD
(FLD003+@4((@1(Sen+Obama++Bara
ck))+01763))

Larry I never sent you any Emails. I have only communicated with a few people on here and used my name.

Hey pinche, how'd you change your name and retain the seniority/account? Neat trick.

and wtf does your third incarnation of mao mean? Jak_SE?


Larry I never sent you any Emails. I have only communicated with a few people on here and used my name.

Posted by rastaninja at 2009-01-06 02:15 AM | Reply


LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE. I have them on My HardDrive. I even forwarded them onto Lisa now what say You Jackass?? Going to lie some more I am certain of that.

Larry

Oh and You emailed Me via that hushmail account that You set up at Halloween as well Jackass. Because both Mine and Lisa's Email address was upon it. Nice try oncve again for trying to deny the facts.

Larry

rasta- Look, dude...you're a chickenshit. You've sent self destruct emails to several people over the years.

So has your boyfriend, rex. Sorry, he gave up your identity by callin you "jackass" all the time. Cats out of the bag, so your denials make you look like an even bigger pussy.

"That's more likely the size of a platoon or maybe two."

Which would be a smaller organization than Obama's Presidential campaign. So it seems when Joe posted "My guess is that that battalion was larger than anything Obama has ever run", his guess was wrong.

any guy that can beat a Clinton & whip a bush sponsored candidate has my attention.

That was some organization he has to pull those upsets off!

sure he might be wet behind the ears in dealing with Israel/Arpac, but no one else has beaten 'em yet either

not even Lincoln...his hero:>)

Hey Rasta...how about this: have you ever used my name?

(Let's see if the pussy answers.)

Hey pinche, how'd you change your name and retain the seniority/account?

I sold my first born.

and wtf does your third incarnation of mao mean?

Its the second incarnation of South Texas culture offered to the blog.

"Pinche" Mao gives you the Meskin.

"Jak Se" Mao gives you the Czech/Polish.

www.nationalpolkafestival.com

www.polishforums.com


Danforth?? All of you can keep playing your games and I will continue to take the moral high ground.

Yes or No, Rasta? Simple question.

"I will continue to take the moral high ground."

Continue?!? You're delusional.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

"I have no idea what you are talking about."

You've admitted before on this blog you're unhappy, and you lie all the time.

Gee, d'ya think there's a connection?

I see Larry gets brave now that his nemesis Loki aka Bowa hasn't been around. I wonder when he will return? He used to be the master of debunking Larry's lies.

Danforth- Is there any particular reason you're skullfucking this loser?

Everyone knows who the little chump is and what he's done with his "life". Let it go.


Larry you might be the only person I have ever apologized to in my life when it wasn't for my own benefit like in court. So what I don't get is that you still hold a grudge against me.

#131 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-11-06 02:40 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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It's kinda hard to forgive someone who has done it twice to Me as well as continually sending Me self destruct emails. Oh and it is triply hard to forgive someone who continually repeats the same dastardly deed. Capisce Jackass??


Larry

#132 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-11-06 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Well, well. It's nice to learn something new.
Thanks Danforth, JeffJ, Monte and Larry.

#133 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-11-06 02:42 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Oh and the shit kicker Jackass/hardcore/messiah/
rastaninja You had to go and steal a handle from someone else to do Your dirty work. You make think bad of Me and that is AOKAY but I have never tried to pass myself off as anything but Myself. Hell I hate 101chairborne with a purple passion but at least He has the guts to slam Me with His original handle. You have to use other peoples to get Your jollies. You are as fake as fake can get.


Larry

#134 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-11-06 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Ok Larry if I stop the harassment you will let bygones be bygones?

#135 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-11-06 02:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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NP WisGod anytime.

#136 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-11-06 02:46 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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"Danforth- Is there any particular reason you're skullfucking this loser?"

Who doesn't like to fuck with his beeyatch? I so pwned the guy he had to sign on to another blog as me, get multiple dumps, and concede defeat! I'm sure he never imagined he be caught within hours.

Bwahahahahaha!

It can all be found here if interested.

www.drudge.com

Larry


"I would never do such a thing. "
Posted by Rastaninja/Jackass/Messiah


Here's a post from the day after Nanc and I caught Jackass signing onto Nanc's blog as "Danforth" from "the Retort" and scumming people to the tune of multiple dumps:


"Danforth I was trying to get some information. I used your name to trigger a response. I didn't even pick your name. I was told by somebody else to use it."
Posted by Messiah at 2008-06-27 02:29 PM


What say you?

#77 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-11-06 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Jackass is still trolling here? I thought he and Rex got married last year and had moved to Denmark to live with JeffinD.


#146 | Posted by Corky


from your link...vf:>)

Hardly something a judge hearing cases would do.

#131 | Posted by Danforth

We had courts of law and courts of equity back then. You didn't have to be a lawyer to be a probate judge, for instance, until the Revised Statues were codified.

So he was more like a county commissioner today, with some additional powers and duties. It was also a simpler time, and much less litigation.


I have them on My HardDrive. I even forwarded them onto Lisa

That's is so pathetic. Only a MohrOn would think that a person sending a self-destruct would use their real name if it was a spoof. Funnier still d'MohrOn wears it like a badge of courage, and sends it around so he can share his little drama.

Everyone knows that it's rCade who sends those self-destructs, just to rile people up. He's laughing his ass off when hits the Send button. Then he looks in the mirror and says: "I, Blog God!"

Except the "fearless" among us need not advance their agenda via self-destruct emails.

Methinks Rastaninja a chickenshit.

Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Prove it, where are these emails?

I don't have a horse in this race, but it don't take a rocket scientist to figure out if they were self destruct emails, they no longer exist.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww does Mikey have to stroke His pitiful piss poor ego He has to dinigrate someones last name. Are You so low down in the dumps Mikey that it strokes that ego of Yours. I find You disgusting Mike.

Larry

"if they were self destruct emails, they no longer exist."

Well, mine kept reloading when I hit the button. I couldn't save it to the HD, but I wrote down the words verbatim, including the punctuation errors:

"Get it through your thick skull, you are not the focus of my investigation. There is a rhyme to my reason and it won"t be unveiled until a later date. Victory isn"t a one day process it takes weeks to develop and sometimes months"

rasta- Look, dude...you're a chickenshit. You've sent self destruct emails to several people over the years.

Is asshammer the same person? If so, add me to the list of people who have gotten self-destruct emails from him.

All You have to do is when You open one of those self destruct emails up is push the print screan button go to All programs and then assesories and choose paint. Hit Your cursor in any of the open field and press control v and then click on file and make a file of it.

goat that wasn't me.

Danforth and Larrymohr, you have to be the whiniest pussies on the DR. Even Spud and Alexandrite don't whine as much. Although they are bigger fuktards!

Goatman Asshammer was rex

If memory serves, asshammer was Wrecks.

Rasta has been Jackass, Messiah, Rastaninja, and I believe Hardcore.

Oh, and on other blogs, "Danforth" from "the Retort".

I just think it's funny that someone named Mohr happens to be a moron. So it's simply a natural progression to put the two together. I get a laugh out of it every time. I'm laughing now.


Danforth and Larrymohr, you have to be the whiniest pussies on the DR. Even Spud and Alexandrite don't whine as much. Although they are bigger fuktards!

#178 | Posted by buzkiller at 2009-01-06 02:56 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Aren't You whining now about our supposed whining??

"you have to be the whiniest pussies on the DR."

Another PWZ troll defending his ilk. Typical.

Whatever strokes your poor ego Mike.

What was the problem with the self-destruct emails? Was the content really that offensive?

Rasta has been Jackass, Messiah, Rastaninja, and I believe Hardcore.


Oh, and on other blogs, "Danforth" from "the Retort".

#180 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-01-06 02:57 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Correct

A little while back Rex also said Jackass was NicevilleFL (or however it was spelled. I don't know. Rex says a lot of things.

"What was the problem with the self-destruct emails? "

Cowardice. The self-destructs are often anonymous as well, though easily guessed.

This guy cannot get a job anywhere and knows nothing about intelligence. Unless there is massive restructuring and he's going to do things like get Valerie Wilson back, I see this as perplexing or suspicious

According to the latest polls, two-thirds of the American public believes that torturing suspected terrorists to gain important information is justified in some circumstances. How did we transform from champions of human dignity and individual rights into a nation of armchair torturers? One word: fear."

"Fear is blinding, hateful, and vengeful. It makes the end justify the means. And why not? If torture can stop the next terrorist attack, the next suicide bomber, then what's wrong with a little waterboarding or electric shock?"

"The simple answer is the rule of law....

Those who support torture may believe that we can abuse captives in certain select circumstances and still be true to our values. But that is a false compromise. We either believe in the dignity of the individual, the rule of law, and the prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment, or we don't. There is no middle ground.

We cannot and we must not use torture under any circumstances..


~Leon Panetta

Precisely the mindset needed at the CIA at this time.

He'll do just fine.

Be Well.

Well, I don't know the sins committed by JA/RN/etc. I only vaguely remember JA's tenure here. Cowardice or spoofer? I take it there was some real damage done once upon a time. I can't imagine you all getting so riled up over a cowardly nemisis.

Rex has done his penance and tried to right any past wrongs, hasn't he?
And Rastaninja/Jackass/Messiah is trying to make amends.

Larry and Danforth -- would you guys be willing to let it go? I know Danforth got a raw deal being impersonated on Nanc's blog but hopefully no one pulls that crap anymore. No good will come from dragging this stuff up forever even though there were some hard feelings about a lot of stuff that went down. But to keep on bringing it up over and over only keeps the bad karma going.

Would ALL you guys be willing to smoke a PEACE PIPE and put ALL the past to rest and not bring it up anymore? It's up to you.

What do ya say?

that was a peace pipe...not nipples:>(


"To accuse others for one's own misfortunes is a sign of want of education. To accuse oneself shows that one's education has begun. To accuse neither oneself nor others shows that one's education is complete."
Epictetus

OK, for everyone who thinks this is a flawed pick, just think about this. Panetta is experienced and he knows his way around DC politics. He is loyal. And he is not of the GOP inner sanctum of military-industrial clones that Cheney felt so comfortable with. In fact, Panetta, while being very smart is the anti-Cheney adviser. He will give great advice. He will analyze with a critical and judicious set of eyes and ears. And he won't take crap from neocons.


The CIA is the President's personal intel service and unofficial para-military special ops service. It's a big deal.


Given Panetta's credentials -- all important credentials, I'm for his selection. Anyone can run a bureaucracy. Knowing which bureaucrats are trustworthy and which ones aren't is what counts.

#16 | Posted by townncountry at 2009-01-05 09:40 PM |


Spot-on TNC. Panetta is a centrist to boot. If memories serves me right, the Bush Admin threw the last CIA head and right hand man under the bus w/ regards to Afghanistan and Bin Laden. Panetta will keep the house (no pun) in order.

#20 | Posted by Redsoxfan at 2009-01-05 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

You people have no clue whatsoever. Panetta will make Stansfield Turner look like a master mind. Perhaps they both were selected with the same mission in mind...dismantling the CIA. The conspiracy enthusiasts that claim BHO is a Middle East "Manchurian Candidate" will thrive on this pick.

Precisely the mindset needed at the CIA at this time.
#190 | Posted by dethspud

by that standard, two thirds of this country are qualified to be head of CIA. that's an awfully low standard.

Hagbard for CIA Director!

You people have no clue whatsoever.

The difference is T&C knows what he's talking about.

I see Dianne Feinstein is pissed off so I may have to re-think this selection.

re: the larry/roma debate

I don't know that I think any of Obama's picks will be especially good at their jobs, but I don't think that "change" necessarily has to mean new faces in every position. What Obama choses to do with these appointees is where the change will come from... if there is any to be had. we'll have to wait and see.

"And Rastaninja/Jackass/Messiah is trying to make amends."

By continuing to pretend he never did it, and lying about his actions?

Some amends.

"Peace Pipe...What do ya say?"

Rasta has never apologized to the blog and its members where he signed on as me and crapped on people. If he wants to man up, apologize for what he's done, and start telling the truth, I'm all for a little smoke.

This pick, Blajokovich, is His sticking his finger right in Reid,s eye. Did Richardson resign?

And now a few words from those who (supposedly) know the intelligence field better than we blogging about it:

(F)ormer intelligence analyst Greg Treverton, now with the Rand Corporation, said Panetta's experience as a former White House chief of staff might give him a unique understanding of the presidency and its needs for intelligence. "One of my experiences with people like Panetta who have been chief of staff is that they have a clear sense of what is helpful to the president that most senior officials don't," Treverton told me. "They get it. What he could do and couldn't do. And that's an interesting advantage Panetta brings. Knowledge of what the presidential stakes are like, how issues arise, and what they need to be protected from, for better or worse."

Retired CIA deputy director for the East Europe division Milt Bearden said Panetta is a "brilliant" choice. "It is not problematic that Panetta lacks experience in intelligence," Bearden e-mailed. "Intel experience is overrated. Good judgement, common sense, and an understanding of Washington is a far better mix to take to Langley than the presumption of experience in intelligence matters. Having a civilian in the intelligence community mix is, likewise, a useful balance. Why not DNI?"

The Panetta choice also makes sense to him, said Philip Zelikow, a former counselor to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (and Foreign Policy writer). "The issues of presidential trust and clean hands are, at this moment in history, most important," Zelikow said by e-mail. "And even an 'intelligence professional' would have to rely on others in many ways. ... So Obama and his team have made a certain kind of tradeoff."

thecable.foreignpolicy.com

And now a few words from those who (supposedly) know the intelligence field better than we blogging about it:
#199 | Posted by tonyroma

Pig, meet lipstick.

Feinstein explained her reluctance to support Panetta to Talking Points Memo:

"I understand their thinking" in choosing Panetta, Feinstein explained, describing herself as "very respectful of the president's authority ... this is the man [Obama has chosen]."

I asked Feinstein whether her reticence about Panetta's lack of ties to the CIA would be mitigated by having Steven Kappes, her preferred choice for CIA director, stay on as the agency's No 2. "I believe very strongly" that Kappes should stay, Feinstein said, adding that Panetta's standing would be "very much enhanced" were Kappes to stay his deputy.


Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), however, declared himself "pleased" with the choice in a statement. He added that "there are few people of whom I have a higher opinion" than Panetta.

"I am pleased by reports of the nomination of Leon Panetta to be the next CIA Director. These reports indicate that President-elect Obama recognizes the need for fresh leadership for the intelligence community. Leon Panetta has a long and distinguished career in public service and there are few people of whom I have a higher opinion. He has been a strong voice opposing the interrogation practices authorized by the Bush Administration and he is well-equipped to restore our national security, which has been undermined by the current administration's policies. I look forward to closely examining his record, hearing his plans for protecting our nation against al Qaeda and other threats, and learning how he will help restore the rule of law after years of lawlessness that have undermined our national security."

Precisely the mindset needed at the CIA at this time.

#190 | Posted by dethspud

by that standard, two thirds of this country are qualified to be head of CIA. that's an awfully low standard.

Hagbard for CIA Director!

#195 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Sorry, but the "experience" argument is no longer wot it was, HC.

Who had more experience than Cheney when the the Cheney/Chimpy co-presidency took office?

If the experience argument really held any water then George Tenet would be a slam dunk shoe-in fer the gig, wouldn't he?

Sorry, but after George and Dickless abused the CIA and the DoJ in order to allow a creeping form of facism into the American government someone like Panetta is PRECISELY the type of individual needed to restore some level of confidence in the institution as well as to clean out the torture-happy shit-heels BushCo allowed to rise to prominance.

Spud to Corky:

Finestkind Finegold approves of the choice and Diane not-so-Finekinstein doesn't?

By Spud's lights that's two more very good reasons to approve of the LP pick.

Diane Finestein is an honorary neo-con and, along with her husband, a War Profiteer.

Basically, she's Dick Cheney in a dress.

Be Well.

Jeeze,
Sandy Burglar, the Clinton hack, should have been head of CIA. He has a proven track record of theft and subterfuge -- just ask the National Archives how deftly he got away with the Clinton documents. Ah, with the Dems back in the saddle, can the sweet smell of scandal, theft, vote rigging, sweetheart pay to play deals, union graft, semem spewing, and Barney Frankenstein winking at improprieties be far behind?

Go Dems!

Panetta, Franken, Caroline Kennedy? Somebody must have yelled, bring in the CLOWNS!

Okay. For sake of arguement, let's say Panetta has an excellent grasp of what a President needs from the Intelligence Community. That is a big plus.

Here's the big minus. The other part (shall we say at leat half?) of his job as CIA Director is to...direct the CIA. How does one lead, motivate, and inspire confidence in professional intelligence officers while learning the myriad aspects of CIA operations...the clandestine service, the Directorate of Intelligence (analysis)...technical services (think of 007's Q)...and quite a few niche, publicly undisclosed efforts and capabilities?

Who wants to be the first to follow the new, ROTC lieutenant over the hill and into the breach? When Turner got through dismantling (er, downsizing wasn't a buzz word in the Carter administration) it took decades to rebuild the clandestine service; and I'm not sure a full recovery ever was achieved. Might partly explain a number of failures over the intervening years.

While we're at it, let's not forget the total fiasco of the last CIA Director culled from the Congress...Porter Goss. And he once was a professional intelligence officer at CIA. He stepped down after alienating virtually the entire agency. Almost no support from the rank and file or management in the end.

Is this the risk to take in the present state of affairs in the world? Hardly.

This is the worst person Obama could have chosen.

Panetta is chosen to dismantle the CIA--watch...

"How does one lead, motivate, and inspire confidence in professional intelligence officers while learning the myriad aspects of CIA operations.."

He was chief of staff, having to deal with ALL of them on a daily basis. What wouldn't he have known?

This is the worst person Obama could have chosen.
#207 | Posted by MURPHY

Murphy's Law: The worst get promoted to their highest level of incompetence. He'll fit right in.

Somebody must have yelled, bring in the CLOWNS!

#204 | Posted by ozzieoswald

Well, well. Seems our resident half wit has changed his fixation from ASSHOLES! to CLOWNS!

Progress?

This is the worst person Obama could have chosen.

Panetta is chosen to dismantle the CIA--watch...

#207 | Posted by MURPHY

Try looking at the broader picture of an issue just for once.

Panetta was chosen because he is a good manager and for his organizational skills- sort of a COO, if you will. That is just what CIA needs. The new DNI designate - Dennis Blair - provides the extensive "intelligence" expertise required. He and Panetta will make a good team.

Oh, and to help reassure you, "A GOP member of the panel, former secretary of state Lawrence S. Eagleburger, said that from his exposure to Panetta on the (Iraq Strategy) project he did not see him as somebody who would be out to gut the CIA or rein it in."

Its very important to have someone in charge that will be friendly to his majesties friends, the arab world.

"How does one lead, motivate, and inspire confidence in professional intelligence officers while learning the myriad aspects of CIA operations.."

He was chief of staff, having to deal with ALL of them on a daily basis. What wouldn't he have known?

#208 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-01-06 09:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dealing with them as a consumer is not even in the same dimensional universe as leading them from the inside. He will be totally dependent on senior leadership...those who don't bail immediately...in the agency to get results. Many will view him as, frankly, an outsider...an itinerant, and will put more effort during his time there into protecting what they perceive to be the agency's important programs and resources from a political appointee lacking the perspective of OPERATING in the Intelligence Community. Of course, the professionals can be replaced with other professionals; but, they won't have the critical expertise for years. That's why the Obama admin is hoping the current deputy director will stay on. You have to gain expertise...there is no microwave shortcut.

That said, Panetta may be temporary; a place holder until a more capable CIA Director can be put in place. Given the stated goal of not having anyone involved in the agency during what detractors call the abuses of the Bush admin (Gitmo, rendition (which was a feature of the Clinton admin...btw), et. al.)...things that others maintain contributed considerably to preventing further attacks after 9/11...finding a suitably "clean" individual capable of providing the needed leadership at CIA will be very difficult.

From Andrew Sullivan's blog this a.m.

07 Jan 2009 10:19 am

Panetta's Qualifications
Here's former CIA deputy director John McLaughlin:

"While intelligence experience is obviously desired, it is not absolutely essential. Other qualities are capacity to make decisions when there are no easy options and to take responsibility for them, situational awareness about the secondary and tertiary consequences of those decisions, good judgment about what is right, true, or advisable when presented with conflicting assessments -- a common situation in a field where you are almost always dealing with incomplete information. An instinct for dealing with people -- at the core of the job. The capacity to communicate clearly to a work force that needs an understanding of the larger picture in order to fit their discrete jobs into the broader mission. From what I know of Panetta, he should be good at most of these things."

It looks as if they're retaining Kappes as his deputy. But remember: the direct CIA experience thing has to be balanced against the torture inheritance. It was never going to be an easy balance, between continuity and change at the CIA. But I fail to see how Panetta-Kappes isn't about as good a combo as any.
andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com

Again, remember that the Director of National Intelligence is the big Kahuna here that should have the "intelligence" experience and background. Adm. Blair has that. His and Panetta's nominations are expected to be made at the same time.

Panetta's role as Chief of Staff would have given him as good an overview of our intelligence services (who are branches of the Executive) as anyone can get outside the President and Director of National Intelligence.

Obama was right. He did the right thing. Obama can not err. He is The One.
-The usual suspects

Obama is wrong. He did the wrong thing. Obama can not do anything right. He is hopelessly unqualified.
-The usual suspects

Obama did wrong,told me he was sorry and at the end of the day, did right. -D. Feinstein

in the past two days I have listened to conflicting reports on appointments like this
day before yesterday I Listened to an 'expert' on the radio tell us that this pick along with others shows us that we are about to be much less protected after the 20th
and just this morning on laura ingrahams show, some 'expert' said that leon will be okay....

so I guess you would have to say the jury will be out
real problem of course is the old saying that the terrorist only have to be right once and we have to be right everytime.

heres hoping the 2nd guy is right

Again, remember that the Director of National Intelligence is the big Kahuna here that should have the "intelligence" experience and background. Adm. Blair has that. His and Panetta's nominations are expected to be made at the same time.

#215 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2009-01-07 10:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Really? Wow! So we can all sleep better knowing that.

How much quality time will Blair have to hold Leon's hand when he (Blair) has sixteen other major agencies and organizations in the IC to direct and to deal with oversight, reporting, and support demands from Congress? Bottom line = the DNI is dependent on the IC member organizations for most of his intel and insight into the IC's many moving parts and operations. It's not just about intel and analysis. It's also about training, sustaining, planning, development of a relatively young professional cadre (many of the boomer generation old hands are retiring), budgeting and funding, etc. Blair's CIA take will come (primarily) from Leon and his senior leadership. Leon will be dependent on his management team and rank and file for his information.

Of course, everyone will throw caution aside, open up the books, and offer up all of their sources, methods, and operations for Leon, the political outsider, to decide what is worth keeping and what gets dumped. They will joyfully jettison all career concerns and agency loyalty to serve Leon.

And the moon is made of cheese.

Obama did wrong,told me he was sorry and at the end of the day, did right. -D. Feinstein

Feinstein and Rockefeller cut themselves out from the decision process by backing Bush's policies. They made themselves irrelevant. That's why #3 in the Senate Intelligence Committee was brought into the decision making process and both of them were excluded IMHO.

Feinstein Backs Panetta For CIA

www.huffingtonpost.com

Sounds like Leon will keep the current CIA #2, who Diane likes.

Spot-on TNC. Panetta is a centrist to boot. If memories serves me right, the Bush Admin threw the last CIA head and right hand man under the bus w/ regards to Afghanistan and Bin Laden. Panetta will keep the house (no pun) in order.


#20 | Posted by Redsoxfan at 2009-01-05 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:


You people have no clue whatsoever. Panetta will make Stansfield Turner look like a master mind. Perhaps they both were selected with the same mission in mind...dismantling the CIA. The conspiracy enthusiasts that claim BHO is a Middle East "Manchurian Candidate" will thrive on this pick.

#194 | Posted by MACV1972 at 2009-01-06 06:12 AM


Hey Mac....Tell you what. Panetta was not picked to be the savior for the ills of the world or more importantly the ills of the US. We would be in deep shit even if Jesus Christ was named head of the CIA. Right now, we're in damage control mode with all the countries that HATE us and that list is long. If Pannetta could bring a different prospective or do some house cleaning withing the CIA then im all for it. Patience my friend. Actually, lets use Bush 41 as an example of someone who ran the CIA in the 70's, was considered an outsider of the CIA and was recommened by one Donald Rumsfeld. And to be more bluntly, Bush 41 used his influence as CIA director to negotiate business dealings and lined his own pockets nicely with those dealings.

I can live with Panetta at CIA, Sanjay Gupta (or Deepak Chopra) at Bethesda and Hillary at State. None are the "liberals" that the frothing-at-the-mouth right-wing promised us, but they are infinitely more competent than the Bush mafia. You don't have to know anything about intelligence to run the CIA (as Bush's people showed us with the WMDs).

The center may not be the left, but at least it's left of the right. At least these are not the toadies installed to make Bush looting palatable to the electorate.

And the FATM right no longer threatens us with a socialist emirate. Instead it's going ha-ha, President O isn't the savior you expected. Maybe next time. herm

Hey Mac....Tell you what. Panetta was not picked to be the savior for the ills of the world or more importantly the ills of the US. We would be in deep shit even if Jesus Christ was named head of the CIA. Right now, we're in damage control mode with all the countries that HATE us and that list is long. If Pannetta could bring a different prospective or do some house cleaning withing the CIA then im all for it. Patience my friend. Actually, lets use Bush 41 as an example of someone who ran the CIA in the 70's, was considered an outsider of the CIA and was recommened by one Donald Rumsfeld. And to be more bluntly, Bush 41 used his influence as CIA director to negotiate business dealings and lined his own pockets nicely with those dealings.

#313 | Posted by Redsoxfan at 2009-01-07 05:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

And when that house cleaning at CIA, along with removing the measures that have helped keep us from being attacked here at home again are removed...it will be Barry holding the bag standing over the next smoking hole with another 3,000 or more dead. If, probably when, it happens on his watch he won't have anyone to blame but his own administration...and ultimately, himself. And all those people out there who hate us will still hate us.

Wise up.

Man, I wish Mac would list all "the measures that have helped keep us from being attacked here at home again." I suppose that's all the "socialist emirate" wailers have left. herm

And when that house cleaning at CIA, along with removing the measures that have helped keep us from being attacked here at home again are removed...it will be Barry holding the bag standing over the next smoking hole with another 3,000 or more dead. If, probably when, it happens on his watch he won't have anyone to blame but his own administration...and ultimately, himself. And all those people out there who hate us will still hate us.


Wise up.

#315 | Posted by MACV1972 at 2009-01-07 09:16 PM


Great. Another bitter repub. Ok Mac, Im going to talk to you like a 4 year old. Im going to tell you the "How" and "Why" Al Queda was able to fly "missles" in the WTC and Pentagon. It was because the Bush Admin. dropped the fucking ball on the intelligence that 9/11 was going to happen! This information was on their desk!! There was a FBI agent in the Minny office that had hard evidence that this was GONNA happen and the Bush admin. didnt do a fucking thing. Have you wised up yet? Ok, here's more, the reason we're hated and will always be hated is because we hafve decided to put over 200 military bases around the world. Sounds like Imperialism to me tough guy. And we know what happenend to the Romans, Napoleon and the Nazis when they decided to spread themselves too thin. They collapsed. And one more thing, you're right, we havent had a terrorist attack in the last 6 years, thankfully, but that comes at a cost. Its called your compromising YOUR civil liberties thanks to the Patriot Act. Check back with me if/when Panetta fucks up. Until then, wise up.

>i> Great. Another bitter repub. Ok Mac, Im going to talk to you like a 4 year old. Im going to tell you the "How" and "Why" Al Queda was able to fly "missles" in the WTC and Pentagon. It was because the Bush Admin. dropped the fucking ball on the intelligence that 9/11 was going to happen! This information was on their desk!! There was a FBI agent in the Minny office that had hard evidence that this was GONNA happen and the Bush admin. didnt do a fucking thing. Have you wised up yet? Ok, here's more, the reason we're hated and will always be hated is because we hafve decided to put over 200 military bases around the world. Sounds like Imperialism to me tough guy. And we know what happenend to the Romans, Napoleon and the Nazis when they decided to spread themselves too thin. They collapsed. And one more thing, you're right, we havent had a terrorist attack in the last 6 years, thankfully, but that comes at a cost. Its called your compromising YOUR civil liberties thanks to the Patriot Act. Check back with me if/when Panetta fucks up. Until then, wise up.

#317 | Posted by Redsoxfan at 2009-01-07 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, we should raze any and all monuments to the memory of FDR since he obviously screwed up on Pearl Harbor and got us into WWII...there being bits of intel amongst all the background noise leading up to December 7, 1941. Take a course on Indications and Warning Intelligence (if you can find one) and get yourself educated on the subject. I did.

Which specific intel reports indicated the date, time, and locations of the attacks? Provide a link if you can. I recall a PDB item in August 2001 that said UBL and Al Qaeda wanted to conduct attacks against US interests abroad and really wanted to strike in the US home land. They doubtlessly would like to follow up with another devastating attack...may get a better opportunity during the new administration...particularly if the intelligence community is hampered in doing it's job.

Your believing that Bush could have avoided the 911 attacks based on what intel crossed his desk makes your take on the whole issue only slightly better than the morons who opine it was the U.S. guvmint that actually planted demolitions and then claimed it was a terrorist operation.

And one more thing, you're right, we havent had a terrorist attack in the last 6 years, thankfully, but that comes at a cost. Its called your compromising YOUR civil liberties thanks to the Patriot Act. Check back with me if/when Panetta fucks up. Until then, wise up.

#317 | Posted by Redsoxfan at 2009-01-07 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's see...past six years...Patriot Act...

I've been living my life, working, earning a living, providing for my family, etc. without any impact from the Patriot Act. But, then again, I haven't taken any overseas calls from known or suspected terrorists or been involved in any terrorist or otherwise illegal activity. Funny how that has worked out.

How about you? What specific rights of yours have been compromised in the past six years and how has that impacted your life (other than the world between your ears)?

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