Obviously rightwingers, lead by talk radio, have rewritten the Carter legacy, and turned it into a fiction of lies. The truth however, is that he was one of the wisest most far sighted leaders we have ever had in the White House.
If he had a weakness, it was the inability to inspire and coax Congress into following his lead.

Yopu can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

If he had a weakness, it was that he wasn't a fucking DINO like others are.

And he made it so I could brew my own beer that has resulted in the birth of americas micro-brewery industry!

6 pack of Natural Ice Lite tallboys now equals "brewing beer"...

You're a fucking retard.

Redneckville, that was courtesy of his alcoholic brother, Billy.

Redneckville, that was courtesy of his alcoholic brother, Billy.
#6 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-01-05 02:32 PM

Regardless, its net result was more Individual Freedom, something the GOP is now only known for restricting!

Interesting how nobody seems able to refute the conclusions of the article. Rightwing spin aside, the truth and reality in general have more than vindicated this great man.

The state of the economy at the time you leave office is what you will deal with for a while. It takes 20+ years to "shore up" your presidency at least. This isn't a way to defend GWB but I will say that history can be more forgiving on a president....Carter is an example of that. Many things that occured during his tenure were out of his control but he still owns it in the eyes of many people.

HOwever, most of it is partisian based.

"It takes 20+ years to "shore up" your presidency at least. This isn't a way to defend GWB but I will say that history can be more forgiving on a president"

Provided you can acknowledge that in that 20 years you speak of, much good has been done by carter.

Bush however will do with his time and resource what he did before the presidency -------- and that is Absolutely Nothing.

Personally I suspect that within is a year bush will flee the country a fugitive (Paraguay)

Provided you can acknowledge that in that 20 years you speak of, much good has been done by carter.

I'm not referring to what he actually does after his presidency but rather having that time to reflect on the effects of decisions and actions taken during the presidency. I'm not trying to dimish people's opinions during the presidency but rather allowing time to fully deal with the long term results.

It wasn't easy to judge Lincoln or FDR during their presidency. Those are obvious examples. But I think all presidents deserve some consideration in this matter.

I'm not arguing your rational, however, the past eight years has demonstrated that the more we actually know about Bush, the worse his image becomes.

This is simply fact and I don't see this trend changing, in fact, I see it amplifying (as made evident by the RNC mulling a charge of Socialism against Bush).

"Interesting how nobody seems able to refute the conclusions of the article"

The article says absolutely nothing. It is full of nothing but speculation. You cannot argue opinion without support with fact, he likes the guy, fine, but failed to support his felling with reason. It seem to me carter was just a guy filling a seat, much of what he could be praised for would have been done by anybody. He would have gone down as wallowing in mediocrity but he made a few fatal errors including his weak military fortitude and his energy alarmist attitude to which he presented no feasible solution. There is a reason the polls all put him in with the dregs of the POTUSA's, i don't think he is the worst but there is no way you can put him at the top. The funny thing is a few years ago no one would have called him great but now, in my own opinion, the democrats don't want to have to look all the way back to JFK to find a decent president with a D next to his name.

Salamandagator: You are so wrong about so much in your post.

Firstly, the Ds need only point back to Clinton to find a truly great president. Clinton, without a doubt, has been the greatest President of the US in my lifetime (I was born in '63). Economically, militarily and socially he was a great success. (I wish I could the same about any GOP president in my lifetime.)

Secondly, the article does point ways in which JC showed his greatness. The Panama Canal Treaty being the one I included at the top of the thread.

Can't decide whether to scratch my head in amazement or give it a huge shrug. The term "great" does seem to get tossed around very abundantly and loosely these days. Keep wondering if maybe dictionaries are running a very aggressive campaign to exterminate words. Probably read one too many of Johnson posts.

"Firstly, the Ds need only point back to Clinton to find a truly great president."

If you are willing to suspend reason and causality.

Economicly,
He sat over a massive boom, which was already trending upward when he started and was failing when he left. I have gone through this many times on this site proving time after time the economic signs only followed a trend until he taxed the life out of industry and halted the growth. It would be very hard for anyone to justify a lack of capability by him for our current economic downturn.

Militarily,
His policies of bomb and run only stirred up animosity. He did continue our actions in Somalia which a i would say is a plus but his failure to react to other middle eastern threats did impact our situation today.

Social,
I won't argue there because that would depend on your own convictions, but i will say that as many believe he did a great job there are just as many that think he caused irreparable damage. In the end it is just a matter of opinion.

I don't think you can rule out the impact of his digressions and the ensuing crimes to cover them up caused. The country suffered a black eye and his lying only made it worse, and in the end his impeachment had a profound statement of the disappointment in our highest elected official.

"He sat over a massive boom, which was already trending upward when he started and was failing when he left."

And the DJIA only went up over 225% wire-to-wire under Clinton, whereas Boy George won't even see positive numbers. Even if you want to unfairly pin the post-9/11 lows on Clinton, the DJIA still more than doubled, rising over 150%.

"His policies of bomb and run only stirred up animosity."

Versus, say, Boy George's policies of bomb and occupy?

"It would be very hard for anyone to justify a lack of capability by (Clinton)"

True.

We haven't had a great president in a long time. And Carter was not one of them.

We haven't had a great president in a long time. And Carter was not one of them.

#19 | Posted by JOE

I thought he did a great job. That Private Mortgage Insurance I was forced to pay on my first home was a great lesson, along with a 1-year, 15% ARM

Can anyone here tell me why Ronald Reagan felt the need to remove the Solar Panels from the roof of the WH that Carter had installed to help promote renewable energy.

I know why, I just want to know what others think.

Obviously rightwingers, lead by talk radio, have rewritten the Carter legacy, and turned it into a fiction of lies.

Let 'em think what they will. Reality has little meaning to them. They'll be here next year telling us what a great and wonderful president W was.

He only took 600 hundred million dollars hush money from the saudis. What's there to beef about?

""It would be very hard for anyone to justify a lack of capability by (Clinton)""

Yea that should have been culpability, don't know how that came out.

" DJIA still more than doubled, rising over 150%."

Which it was already trending towards before he was in office. Now, when he left it was trending down, so my point stand he got a growing economy and left a failing one due partly to his poor taxation decisions. You can deny the cause of the decline but the numbers show a stop in the economic growth at the end of his term.

"Versus, say, Boy George's policies of bomb and occupy?"

It's still more the a slap on the wrist as the bomb and run tactics.

As a right wing nut, I agree I always liked him he was "a good guy who got in over his head" and there is nothing bad about that. His mistake was turning ultra-partisan and calling Bush "the worst president in history" that is when he started being scrutinized. He brought all that on himself

Aren't you wing-dings from the right dizzy YET from all that spinning?

I would have thrown up and passed out years ago...

"don't know how that came out. "

Correctly, initially.

"Now, when he left it was trending down, so my point stand he got a growing economy and left a failing one due partly to his poor taxation decisions."

A failing one? That never went into recession until recently?!? Wow...then you REALLY must be pissed at Bush...are you? Clinton took large deficits, and delivered true surplus budgets to his successor. Bush did the exact opposite. Which, in your opinion, was better for the country?

"(bomb and occupy) is still more the a slap on the wrist as the bomb and run tactics."

Are you joking? I'm sure the Iraqis would have a different opinion.

Carter tried to take on the big oil/war pig industries and lost. At least he tried though.

The thing that recommends bombing as a tactic is that it implies the ability to run.

The problem with our various occupations is that it provided low-tech adversaries with the ability to kill significant numbers of our soldiers.

Jimmy Carter was a best president the Kremlin could have hoped for. Soviet Communism was never in better shape than when he was in the White House.

As bad as Bush has been, the misery index is now less than half what it was during the Carter years.

JC is the beneficiary of the fact that many things seem better in hindsight. I remember having a great time during Basic Training, for example, before forcing myself to remember how miserable I was so much of the time. My first job, old girlfriends--all seem wonderful now. But they weren't, really. Which is why I was so happy the day they left. Like Carter.

"He kept us out of endless wars"

No, he was one of the key people that help create the group of people we call "Extreme Islamic Terrorists".

I notice 'Habitat for Humanity' is in the news again, and in a big way this time.

JIMMY CARTER WAS THE WORST PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD.

He fucked up the economy so bad that economists had to re-write all the text books and coin a new word: STAGFLATION. 18% interest rates and 15% unemployment.

He didn't know what to do about the American hostages in Iranian jails except wring his weak little hands in the Rose Garden for a year. He then organized a weak ass attempt to free the hostages that just killed some marines. The problems we have with Iran and the ME can all be traced back to CARTER THE COWARD.

The cheap ass houses he built for Habitat for Humanity are all falling apart now.

JUMMY CARTER WAS THE WORST PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD.

Jimmy Carter was a best president the Kremlin could have hoped for. Soviet Communism was never in better shape than when he was in the White House.

As bad as Bush has been, the misery index is now less than half what it was during the Carter years.

#30 | Posted by rightisright

Carter was an extremely intelligent, idealistic and honest man. All that disqualifies him from making a good modern president. i'm not being snarky either.

a modern president needs to be more psychotic than our enemies. But the most endearing quality that a president has to have is to understand one thing; he does what he's fucking told, and he stays told once he's already done been told.

the presidents that are percieved to be the best, make us believe the desires of his 'associates' are his own earnest personal desires and beliefs. raygun was the best at that. W is good at it in a goofy kind of way. Carter was terrible at it.

" DJIA still more than doubled, rising over 150%."

Which it was already trending towards before he was in office.

I remember making this exact same point about Clnton's economy. When he took office, the economy had been trending upwards for several months. But the left shouted me down.

Funny stuff being able to pick and choose when or when not to allow certain facts into a debate.

He fucked up the economy so bad that economists had to re-write all the text books and coin a new word: STAGFLATION.

The term "stagflation" was coined in 1965 in a Parliamentary speech by Ian McCloud.

It was first applied to the American economy after Richard Nixon imposed wage and price controls in 1971.

Carter was the worst president, ever. He is proof that negotiating doesnt always work and our enemies will take advantage of good intentions. He will be known as a weak president, too quick give away power to enemies in the name of good will. He was a good treee hugging, limp wristed, panty wearing liberal. And he sucked as a president. He will be the example of what not to do when you become president. How much you want to bet Obama has heard, "You dont want look like Carter, I wouldnt do that"..

"I remember making this exact same point about Clnton's economy. When he took office, the economy had been trending upwards for several months. But the left shouted me down."

If you really think Clinton's economy was all about a few trending months prior, you're a fool. And I doubt that.

Clinton's DJIA more than tripled, increasing 225% wire-to-wire. Bush will be in the double-digit negative numbers.

Spin away.

Yopu can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

#2 | Posted by wisgod

Certainly the Fed Reserve was in Jimmy's case.

no zero % to work with ~ dear god:>)

"The term "stagflation" was coined in 1965 in a Parliamentary speech by Ian McCloud."

Stop with the facts! You know they only confuse FWThom.

"Too quick (Carter) to give power away to oue enemies...."

That's what Bush's wars have done. Exactly that. Gets precisely to the meaning of wars of attrition. Bush bled us, and continues to bleed us.

Tis funny Boaz that Jimmy Carter is respected the world over. Dubya not so much. What does THAT tell You about Jimmy Carter?? Tells Me He knows how to do what is rightious and just to do. Dubya I am afraid doesn't share in that same zipcode.

Larry

"Pant-wearing liberal...."

I'd have thought the last eight years proved the downside of just kicking the shit of of things.

WHUPS---"Panty-wearing liberal"---War is more than breaking things. Or, in Bush's case, having other people break things while you take that nap.

Carter was the worst president, ever. He is proof that negotiating doesnt always work and our enemies will take advantage of good intentions. He will be known as a weak president, too quick give away power to enemies in the name of good will. He was a good treee hugging, limp wristed, panty wearing liberal. And he sucked as a president. He will be the example of what not to do when you become president. How much you want to bet Obama has heard, "You dont want look like Carter, I wouldnt do that"..

#36 | Posted by boaz

funny how he could be so accurate today in view of the Gaza slaughter going on & Obama saying "nuthing" about it...

Carter: "US Candidates MUST do as Israel says"

Clinton's DJIA more than tripled, increasing 225% wire-to-wire. Bush will be in the double-digit negative numbers.

Spin away.

I'm not spinning, danforth, just stating a fact here.

A little over a year ago there was a thread about the economy. The usual suspects supported their respective team, of course. I pointed to the record hight DJIA to support the notion of a strong economy. Many on the left cried that that was no measure of the economy and that stocks only affected the rich, anyway.

Funny stuff, a year later, the stock market suddenly becomes a bellwether to the left.

As I said, no spin. Just stating a fact. Partisian politics are funny, aren't they?

Tis funny Boaz that Jimmy Carter is respected the world over

So was mother Teresa. That doesn't mean she would have been a good president.

So was mother Teresa. That doesn't mean she would have been a good president.

#46 | Posted by goatman

Fed Reserve runs the show...interest goes to over 20% while he was Prez for starters, goatfan:>)

"I pointed to the record hight DJIA to support the notion of a strong economy."

Turns out it wasn't, was it?

Especially when you compare other factors like job creation and deficit trends.

It turns out a fairer tax code, reducing the annual deficit each year, adding 8 million jobs and delivering true surplus budgets to his successor is better for the economy and America than a code which heavily favors the rich, exploding debt, less than half the jobs, and delivering the largest debts in recorded history to his successor.

"Partisian politics are funny, aren't they?"

I'm just stating facts. What's partisan about that?

BULLSHIT Alert quadrant number 46. I was under the impression that a President was to try and make things better for His or Her Countryfolk and the world at large. This would include but not limitted to respectability. Jimmy Carter has tons of Respect and Clout. Dubya not so much.

Larry

I'm just stating facts. What's partisan about that?

???

nothing. Was there a suggestion otherwise that I missed?

Tis funny Boaz that Jimmy Carter is respected the world over

So was mother Teresa. That doesn't mean she would have been a good president.

#46 | Posted by goatman at 2009-01-05 08:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Too funny, what a worthless comment.

That doesn't mean she would be a bad president either.

Jimmy Carter has tons of Respect and Clout. Dubya not so much.

OK? Respect does not a good president make.

"JIMMY CARTER WAS THE WORST PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD."

If Your qualifications are on the low down Goatman Respect does not make for a good President. If Your qualifications are on the High Up then Yes Respect makes for a Good President.

Larry

Oops

Hans

LOL Hans links to his own radio show to make a point. Looks like he's pretty desperate to get in his quota of "oopsies" today.

If Your qualifications are on the High Up then Yes Respect makes for a Good President.

I agree 100% Larry

Rodgers: Stop picking on Carter.

Spud: Start picking on that brain dead coont, Raygun

Seriously, that guy spent America into a hole that has had reprecussions to this very day.

He supported terrorists in South America and Dictators and trained them to torture, rape and kill innocent civilians, priests and nuns.

He vastly enabled the original fundies.

The fact that by the start of his second term he was the brain dead meat puppet of CIA assclown HW Bush does mitigate his responsibilty but only marginally.

He raised taxes while denying that he did so.

The Carter Doctrine which stated that the US was within it's rights to protect US allies in the ME from foreign invasions based on the fact that the oil there was a US national interest was further expanded by Reagan to not only prevent outside forces (like the Soviets in Afghanistan) from invading but now allowed for American military force to used in the region under the much more nebulous guise of "preventing internal instability".

It was the Reagan Corollary to the Carter Doctrine that cleared the path for Operation Desert Storm and, eventually, the full scale invasion/occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

So basically, the seeds of America's two failing wars and failing economy were planted by Reagan a guy whom Americans still oddly enuff treat with the same reverence that Muscovites reserve fer Joey Stalin and the Chinese reserve fer Mao.

Fuck that biatch.

Compared to him Carter was a freakin' saint.

Be Well.

A Reagan/Bush legacy..."October Surprise"

In a nice, ironic twist, the phrase `October surprise,' which Vice Presidential candidate George Bush had coined to warn of possible political manipulation of the hostages by Jimmy Carter, began to be applied to the suspected secret activities of the 1980 Reagan-Bush campaign... In a Madrid hotel in late July 1980, an important Iranian cleric, Mehdi Karrubi, who is now the speaker of the Iranian Parliament, allegedly met with Mr. Casey [Reagan's campaign manager and later his Director of the CIA] and a U.S. intelligence officer who was operating outside authority. The same group met again several weeks later.... From Oct. 15 to Oct. 20, events came to a head in a series of meetings in several hotels in Paris, involving members of the Reagan-Bush campaign and high-level Iranian and Israeli representatives. Accounts of these meetings and the exact number of participants vary considerably among the more than 15 sources who claim direct or indirect knowledge of some aspect of them. There is, however, widespread agreement on three points: William Casey was a key participant: the Iranian representatives agreed that the hostages would not be released prior to the Presidential election on Nov. 4; in return, Israel would serve as a conduit for arms and spare parts to Iran. At least five of the sources who say they were in Paris in connection with these meetings insist that George Bush was present for at least one meeting. Three of the sources say that they saw him there... Immediately after the Paris meetings, things began to happen. On Oct. 21, Iran publicly shifted its position in the negotiations with the Carter Administration, disclaiming any further interest in receiving military equipment.... Between Oct. 21 and Oct. 23, Israel sent a planeload of F-4 fighter aircraft tires to Iran in contravention of the U.S. boycott and without informing Washington. Cyrus Hashemi, using his own contacts began privately organizing military shipments to Iran. On Oct. 22, the hostages were suddenly dispersed to different locations. And a series of delaying tactics in late October by the Iranian Parliament stymied all attempts by the Carter Administration to act on the hostage question until only hours before Election Day... On Jan. 15, Iran did an about-face, offering a series of startling concessions that reignited the talks and resulted in a final agreement in the last few hours of Jimmy Carter's Presidency. The hostages were released on Jan. 21, 1981, minutes after Ronald Reagan was sworn in as President. Almost immediately thereafter, according to Israeli and American former officials, arms began to flow to Iran in substantial quantities... Moshe Arens, the Israeli Ambassador to Washington in 1982, told The Boston Globe in October 1982 that Israeli's arms shipments to Iran at this time were coordinated with the U.S. Government `at almost the highest of levels.' ... The allegations of these individuals have many disturbing implications for the U.S. political system. One is the tampering with foreign policy for partisan benefit. That has, of course, happened before and it may well happen again, but it assumes special poignancy in this case since it would have involved tampering with the lives and freedom of 52 Americans. Another implication is that leaders of the U.S. exposed themselves to the possibility of blackmail by Iran or Israel. Third, the events suggest that the arms-for-hostage deal that in the twilight of the Reagan Presidency became known as the Iran-contra affair, instead of being an aberration, was in fact the re-emergence of a policy that began even before the Reagan-Bush Administration took office."
Gary Sick - The Election Story of the Decade
New York Times, 15 April 1991

Carter acted foolishly in Iran. The guards should have had standing orders to shoot any trespassers coming onto the embassy property...However, as history shows he was an idiot then and an even bigger socialist loving idiot now.

Carter should have allowed the Shah to stay...he was a nicer fellow than Khomenut:>)

"The guards should have had standing orders to shoot any trespassers coming onto the embassy property..."

A handful of Marines guarding the American Embassy in Iran versus the population of Teheran.

Those "standing orders" would have made all the difference, no doubt. [/snark]

Hans

Carter sucked period...

Fuck Wad Thom,

You ignorant slut

Carter is an honest man, unlike all the others. Fucking lying thieves, all of them.

The Reagan-Bush campaign committed treason by deliberately undermining Carter's legitimate negotiations.

"He countered the Soviet military threat."

How by boycotting the olympics.

"Carter sucked period..."

In that case---comparatively---Bush sucked commas, exclamation points, quotation marks, apostrophes, question marks, parentheses, slashes, ellipses, hyphens...

...and no doubt sucked a colon or two.

Had Carter been President the last 8 years, 9/11 would never have occurred. Nor would have the subsequent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Had Carter been President the last 8 years, 9/11 would never have occurred. Nor would have the subsequent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Wow. I wish I had the skills to be able to peer into alternate universes, too. Where did you learn to do this, m8?

"Had Carter been President the last 8 years, 9/11 would never have occurred. Nor would have the subsequent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan."

Or, for that matter, Al Gore.

I'm pretty sure that Jimmy Carter and Al Gore would have paid more attention to "bin Laden determined to strike inside United States" than to "My Pet Goat."

Hans

It's a matter of common sense. No need to imagine alternate universes to understand how far more competent and effective JC would have been when compared to GWB.

Dubya isn't qualified to clean Jimmy Carter peanut hoe. Much less be equal in stature to Him.

Larry

"It's a matter of common sense. No need to imagine alternate universes to understand how far more competent and effective JC would have been when compared to GWB."

Excellent post, Moder8

Hans

Where did you learn to do this, m8?

#67 | Posted by goatman

Just saw "Deja Vu" again...that's HOW!

It's a matter of common sense.

???

IT's common sense to accurately predict the actions of a group of rogue western hating arabs by who was elected president of the US?

Whatever, m8.

Thank you Hans.

The real pleasure in posting a thread like is the enjoyment of seeing all the rightwingers puke all over themselves trying to deny the obvious.

"He kept us out of endless wars"

No, he was one of the key people that help create the group of people we call "Extreme Islamic Terrorists".

#31 | Posted by KBM at 2009-01-05 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Please, tell us just how he did that. I'm dying to hear your well-written, concise explanation.

The real pleasure in posting a thread like is the enjoyment of seeing all the rightwingers puke all over themselves trying to deny the obvious.

And I get a kick reading posts from people who think they actually know that this or that would have happened if this or that had not happened. This blog is full of them, so I do indeed get to laugh a lot. I am now, in fact. LOL

No, he was one of the key people that help create the group of people we call "Extreme Islamic Terrorists".

Reagan?

Damn straight he did.

In an effort to give the Soviets "their own Vietnam" he financed, armed and trained the people who would later on go on to become the Taliban and Al Quaeda.

Then HW Bush dropped the ball after the Soviets left.

WTF did they think was gonna happen?

Was it incompetence or a deliberate and cynical strategy to invade and occupy as Baby Booshling went into office just itching to do?

Spud retorts.

You decide.

Be Well.

Jimmy Carter helped create radical islamic terrorist first by cozying up to the Shah of Iran, including allowing him safe haven in the U.S. and second by being too much of a scared pussy to do something about Iran taking our embassy staff hostage.

Jimmy Carter helped create radical islamic terrorist first by cozying up to the Shah of Iran, including allowing him safe haven in the U.S. and second by being too much of a scared pussy to do something about Iran taking our embassy staff hostage.

#78 | Posted by buzkiller

Thus?

"October Surprise" ok?

I still remember the boycott of the Olympics. What a maroon.

oh and his epiphany speech over America having nothing more than a crisis of 'confidence'

and if you bunch of maroons think he would have acted to stop 9/11, pleeeeeeaz, he totally missed the boat in Iran didn't he?

Get real

PS. I've been waiting all of my adult life for a liberal progressive democrat president to legalize pot.

Seems to me there is something positive they could pull off.

still waiting

ps. beee bitchen

The only thing to look forward to in regards to Carter is his funeral and hope that during the procession a major disaster wipes out everyone in attendance. The world will never miss the victims.

"and second by being too much of a scared pussy to do something about Iran taking our embassy staff hostage."

Yeah, he wasn't tough like Ronnie Raygun who did NOTHING when 286 Marines were murdered.....
BTW, even after the traitorous scum made illegal deals with the Iranians to hold the hostages until the inauguration none were killed. I'm thinking they feel Carter handled the situation as well as anyone could have. AT least he didn't reward Iran with weapons for holding them for so long....and we all know who did reward them.....now there is a useless piece of crap pretending to be a president....our country is certainly in more danger today because of the action of Ronnie Raygun....if only we had followed the leadership of Jimmy Carter....

"Had Carter been President the last 8 years, 9/11 would never have occurred. Nor would have the subsequent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan."
* * * *

Ummm . . . the Islamists were taking their jet-flying lessons while Al Gore was still leading in the polls. What--was there some secret program that Al Gore was going to put in place at Logan to prevent aircraft hijackings?

You're half right. 9/11 still would have happened, but Carter wouldn't have done anything about it.

Al Gore was in th White House while 9/11 was planned and the ball got rolling. Al Gore was in the White House when Bin Laden was in our cross hairs.
Now that same Al Gore would miraculously prevent 911?

That's perhaps the dumbest thing I have ever read on the retort that didn't come from the usual dumbfucks.

But Bush did make the tax code more progressive and the government is taking in more revenue, so he was better than Clinton?

Jimmy Carter is the most pitiful ex. pres. in American history. He has always been week and the terrorist criminals knew it. I'll never forget the Iranian hostage crisis and Carter not go over there and kicking ass on the Khomeini like Reagan would have.

Whether 911 would have happened if Gore was president I don't know. That Gore would have fought he ensuing conflict without behaving as if he were a man saddled with two hundred pounds of iron chains I'm pretty sure of.

"I'll never forget the Iranian hostage crisis and Carter not go over there and kicking ass on the Khomeini like Reagan would have."

And I'll never forget the killing of nearly 300 U.S. Marines in Beirut about which Reagan did. . .nothing.

"Reagan would have," my ass. That worthless actor was lucky he didn't get impeached over Iran-Contra.

It is interesting to see how quickly some want to reframe history, even recent history. Because of this I feel it important to repeat that George W. Bush was the very last man we needed near our Army.

More than anything, I'd like to see the transcripts of Bush speaking with his generals. I'd be especially curious about the part where the generals say to Bush:

"We need more troops in Iraq now, Mr. President, the Democrats picked up House seats in the recent election".

Jimmt Carter should be sued and held personally responsible for the condition of these homes.

I wonder why we aren't hearing as much about these homes as we did about the Katrina slugs still living in trailers years after the hurricane?

#10 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-01-05 02:56 PM

What do you care you fucking asshole?

"I'll never forget the Iranian hostage crisis and Carter not go over there and kicking ass on the Khomeini like Reagan would have."

And thereby converting them from hostages to corpses. Brilliant analysis.

"like Reagan would have."

Riiight. Iran isn't Grenada.

Jimmy Carter represents the quintessence of evil. He is a man without a moral compass, who cannot distinguish good from evil. He is a self-indulgent tool and apologist for regimes such as Chavez' Venezuela. He certifies questionable elections for dictators.

Carter has no backbone, and eschews the use of force against evil in this world. He whitewashes the situation in which millions have been killed, hacked to death, raped, and robbed, in tribal conflicts in Belgium Congo, and in the religious conflict in Darfur.

Carter masks his insidious character by proclaiming his piety in a very public way. If Carter is judged by the consequences of what he has done, he is an embarrassment to this country. Carter is a coward, a man without manhood.

Carter has no pride or sense of patriotism. Remember that it was on his watch that the American Embassy, American soil, was seized by Islamics in Iran in a coup that Carter had facilitated with his opposition to the Shah, who opposed the Iranian clerics. And Carter demonstrated that he was an unprincipled person as for Carter our American honor was not worth the sacrifice entailed in engaging the Islamics who had attacked us by seizing our embassy. He is a disgrace.

"Jimmy Carter represents the quintessence of evil...."

ROTFLMAO!

Carter: Cos if Johnson hates him you must know he musta done something right.

Jimmy Carter helped create radical islamic terrorist first by cozying up to the Shah of Iran, including allowing him safe haven in the U.S. and second by being too much of a scared pussy to do something about Iran taking our embassy staff hostage

~BuzzCola

Yer ignorance is showing again. Tuck that shit in.

America installed the Shah of Iran in a CIA led coup in 1957. The Shah was a brutal dictator rivalling Saddam Hussein (another American ally fer years) in ferocity and inhumanity to his own people. His notorious SAVAK used to do charming things like amputate a mans arms and legs, then torture him into insanity before delivering him back on his families doorstep as an object lesson to all.

Carter allowed an ailing Shah of Iran into the US for medical treatment at which time the revolution that was not entirely unwarranted in Iran exploded. One of the consequences of that explosion was the hostage crisis. Blaming Carter fer the end result of twenty plus years of America propping up a corrupt and brutal dictator jut shows wot an incomplete and partisan view of history you possess, Buzzy.

Carter did try to mount a rescue effort but it failed dramatically and very, very suspiciously.

America creates it's own enemies.

America = Doctor Frankenstein.

Even if yer MSM goes out of it's way to avoid telling simple truths like that there's no good excuse fer not doing some independent reading on yer own.

Be Well.

It's true that if Jimmy Carter were still president that 9'11 would not have happened because the islamic terrorist would have already taken over the country and Jimmy Carter would have given them the keys to the WH.

JIMMY CARTER IS THE BIGGEST LIB PUSSY ON THE PLANET.

FuckWadTad is the smallest, dried up piece of troll shit on the planet.

FACT!!!!

You aren't fit to lick the shit off the shoes of the guy who cleans President Carter's septic tank.

Can you say PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA???? Try living with THAT for the next 8 years, FuckWad.

Try living with THAT for the next 8 years

Presidents are elected for 4 year terms in this country.

Israel Rams Aid Boat with McKinney Aboard

Fredo seems to think that Israel has balls or something!!! The fucking cowards will be very happy to kill from their airplanes and helicopters but the sniveling shitstains will never set foot in Gaza in person. Ever since the Internet and Cable TV took away their ability to use human shields, the pussys haven't used soldiers anywhere near real danger.

Posted by axe at 2008-12-30 11:26 AM | Rep

the writer doesn't rember the carter years. They were not good.

Carter is one of my biggest boogers so I have to pick on him. The people that praise Carter did not have to employ themselves under his adminstration. Carter sucked and sucked bad, good intensions or not, he was horrible as a sitting president. Maybe a good peanut farmer but horrible President.

As I said. Carter tried to take on the oil/war pig/fed mafias and lost.

The fact that many here think he was worse than those who came after is testimony to the power of the corproate media which they own.

Most likely he will be noted as the last American President to even try, as the American Empire slowly dies just as the others have done in the past.

Jimmy Carter helped create radical islamic terrorist first by cozying up to the Shah of Iran, including allowing him safe haven in the U.S. and second by being too much of a scared pussy to do something about Iran taking our embassy staff hostage.

#78 | Posted by buzkiller at 2009-01-05 11:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

So, we should have done what with the Shah? BTW, this is the same Shah put into power via a coup arranged by the CIA under Eisenhower.....but that's Carters fault too.

The Shah, who fled Iran into exile in Egypt, on January 16, 1979. On February 1, Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Iran from exile in France, causing forty-five thousand Americans to flee the country.......Carter fault too...right?

Another thing, the Shah came to America for medical reasons, with the approval of President Carter, to seek treatment and you somehow get 'allowed him a safe haven' out of that?

As for your "carter too much of a scared pussy to do something about Iran taking our embassy staff hostage"; Carter threatened a military response if the hostages were harmed or put on trial. The threat was deterrent, not coercive. Such threats are most effective at keeping somebody from doing something they haven't already done. The threat worked. Iran stopped saying they were going to put the hostages on trial and execute them. Carter considered several courses of military action. He decided not to mine Iranian ports, as that would interfere with other countries, and might provoke the Iranians to harm the hostages. He did however order that a rescue plan be drawn up, but he hoped it wouldn't have to be used.

The other effective measures he took were to freeze Iranian monetary assets, and to impose an arms embargo and economic sanctions. His goal was to get other countries to go along with the embargo and sanctions.

Can you say Desert One?

FACTS: They're not YOUR friend.

He just had a retarded brother that was an alcoholic and a daughter that was a spoiled bitch. Other than that he was just another idiot.

Re: #15 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-01-05 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Firstly, the Ds need only point back to Clinton to find a truly great president."

That's laughable. His record is a mix of successes and failures. "Mistakes were made" and "It all depends on what 'is' is" are the most memorable quotes from his tenure.

"Clinton, without a doubt, has been the greatest President of the US in my lifetime (I was born in '63). "

Please, Monica, get over it.

"Economically,"

Success.

"militarily,"

You've got to be kidding me. Black Hawk Down, USS Cole bombing, two embassies in Africa, 1st Trade Center bombing, blown opportunities to eliminate Bin Laden...not all military; but related. Suppose we should credit him with launching cruise missiles and the bombing campaign in Kosovo.

"and socially he was a great success."

That is entirely a subjective conclusion. He's not personally responsible for the devolution and coarsening of society; but, he's no savior either.

(I wish I could the same about any GOP president in my lifetime.)

After lauding Clinton, positive commentary on any GOP president would indeed be surprising.

"Secondly, the article does point ways in which JC showed his greatness. The Panama Canal Treaty being the one I included at the top of the thread."

The Mid East Peace accord was his crowning achievement. It was a game changer. Given the complexities and long history of conflict in Palestine, it had no chance of being a permanent resolution of all issues.

Having worked in the federal guvmint in DC since 1974, I have a front row (albeit not a political insider) seat to most of the political theater. I appreciated the 9.6 percent pay raise we received the January he left office. I also appreciated getting the hot water turned on again in federal wash rooms. Those, along with the peace accord, were the high points.

#1 said it all.

Illustrating just one fuck-up subject among so many will give you and idea of my feelings. I was working his deals in 1978-1981 when we had to deal with his screwed up national fuel allocations, price controls(actually gross profit controls), salary increase controls, old and new oil, and price controls on oil prices (about $25 per barrel for new oil versus $5 for old oil as I recall), the corrupt "daisy chain" shenanigans, $billions flowing daily between oil companies as they tried to level the price of oil between companies as regulated by Jimmy. I and others spent the bulk of our time submitting masses of useless forms to Washington. We did not get a salary increase even as annual inflation was double digit and unemployment was 10.8% when Reagan took over. Reagan's first act practically on his first day in office was to stop the old oil/new oil crap with the result that the oil price per barrel dropped immediately to $10. (Reagan was not popular in Texas after that decision).

All the above is just a small part of Carter's legacy. Meanwhile, North Korea is not solved yet for which Carter received the Peace Prize among his other "victories". One can ask what peace did Jimmy ever bring about? Without Sadat. who wanted the Sinai back and no more war with Israel who whupped them badly, the Egyptians would not have agreed to the Mt David agreement. I won't live to see it but you younger folks may be witness to his ranking 10 or 20 years from now as being one of the 4-5 worst Presidents ever. I wouldn't be surprised if he were next to Buchanan. Dubya Bush will be significantly higher up in the rankings.

He promoted a visionary energy policy.

But did nothing about it.

He countered the Soviet military threat.

By gutting the CIA and other intelligence agencies.

He countered the Soviet military threat.

But was unable to deal with Iran.

Jimmy Carter is a true hero to me. I may see things differently in the political arena. But as a Christian and as compassionate leader with justice, fairness, and humility, Jimmy Carter stands out and I salute him for the maturity he exhibits.

God bless Jimmy Carter. America is fortunate to have a fellow citizen like him. The world is fortunate to have a person like him.