Amazing what a little thievery will accomplish. Well only half the people there will be pissed.

I said 'wake me when it's over' a few weeks back.

Well, it's over.

Senator-Elect Al Franken.

I see we have a sore-loser already in the form of KBM. Too bad.

"Amazing what a little thievery will accomplish. Well only half the people there will be pissed.

#1 | Posted by KBM "

Mamalo, pinche cabron.

"Coleman said the odds of anything changing with a recount are "extremely remote." Coleman also encouraged Franken to handle it the "Minnesota way" by not dragging it out in the courts."

But a court challenge to the recount is almost certain to follow a certification from the Canvassing Board, as Coleman lawyers acknowledged last week.

Hypocracy, thy name is Republican.

"Nuh-Uh! Just wait till we hold our breath until we turn blue!"

Sincerely,

The Right

Amazing what a little thievery will accomplish

Face it KBM-your guy lost. Do you really want to know why? And NO it wasn't thievery-it was the fact that Coleman wasn't ALLOWED to steal it.
that's what happens when "The People" get fed up with rethug dirty tricks.

Amazing what a little thievery will accomplish. Well only half the people there will be pissed.

#1 | Posted by KBM

yes, GW did it 3 times...ask goatman:>)

at least Franken's Senate election has been honest. Let's see if Coleman rise to the occasion & admit his loss with honor.

Honor and the GOP don't go well together.

no, i suppose not ~ Briwo

I said before I thought having Al Franken in the Senate would be very entertaining.
I look forward to hearing about the legislation he sponsors, don't you?
And the SNL bits with Stammering Caroline and Drunken Teddy will be a hoot.
I fully expect to see Al Franken doing a cameo on SNL with a satellite dish on his head again before the end of the year.
LOL

Quick, call in SCOTUS.

Once again reality is stranger than fiction.

Ya just know that rightwingers throughout America are having conniptions. Not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot.

"I look forward to hearing about the legislation he sponsors, don't you?"

such as nuking Iran after the Gaza/

The Wellstone seat had known better days before standing up to the Bush Cartel...

/ = ?

Well.. to quite an idiot...

"There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again." Sept. 17, 2002, in Nashville, Tenn, G.W. Bush.

Something like that.

Go Al !

I hope he'll do his knockdown Pat Robertson impression for his colleagues.

Franken can't be worse than Sonny Bono, or Gopher from Love Boat.

or Reagan as President?

If you think about it, no one could be any worse than most of the "Statesmen" we have now.

What happened to the mantra of counting every vote?

There are 654 ballots to count that the MN Supreme Court has to make a decision on and Franken wants some other ballots added.

Oh yeah--only count ballots until the Dem is ahead and then stop.

Oh yeah--only count ballots until the Dem is ahead and then stop.

#20 | Posted by MURPHY

over 200 votes to beat Franken from the 654 in dispute is doubtful at the moment, no?

If Franken won, good for him. Congrats!

Minnesota has a tradition of electing ineffectual dipshits.

Bani--the ballots just counted were from Franken districts.

The 654 ballots are from Coleman districts.

So should the counting just stop?

I am still curious how 133 ballots that don't exit got counted. That would have never happened if they were for Coleman.

I remember watching a MOB movie once where they said they won elections by counting the votes over and over until their guy won. Looks like the democrats watched that movie also.

Does anyone think Franken picked up 1000 votes legitimately? Of course not but when the people counting the votes are mostly democrats whats one to do.

Gee, I'd guess all the Coleman people and lawyers present during the recount were sound asleep?

CrackPipeJunkies keep on truckin' .....

It really has to suck to be a Republican these days.

More than before, I mean.

well, I was online here in dr when Franken was up by over 1100 votes in the final stages (with 5 precincts to go) along with CBS online vote tracker & Fox's TV Coleman PR machine & suddenly Franken was behind by 600 some votes.

That was strange then & still now.

So the current totals to be are the way I thought it was really all along:>)

I hope Franken gives his first speech and turns it into one of his crappy comedy routines;

Hi, it's all about me, Al Franken. I just have one question. Who is Phil and why is everyone trying to best 'er?

It appears Norm Coleman is a very soar loser and will try to find lost ballots, uncounted Norm Coleman ballots or try and ask for a reversal of the State Supreme Court's ruling saying that 1650 abantee ballots that were inappropriately removed from being counted be counted if both Franken and Coleman camps agreed to which ones could be counted. Both camps agreed to 930 ballots and today Frankens lead opened up from 49 to 225. Norm is trying to find the Super Supreme Court made up of Republicans so he can have his way. When he was the mayor of St. Paul he waas always a whinner and a bad loser when he didn't get his way and things have not changed. Franken has won the recount and Colemans lawyers will do every thing they can to block his appointment.

It appears Norm Coleman is a very soar loser and will try to find lost ballots, uncounted Norm Coleman ballots or try and ask for a reversal of the State Supreme Court's ruling saying that 1650 abantee ballots that were inappropriately removed from being counted be counted if both Franken and Coleman camps agreed to which ones could be counted. Both camps agreed to 930 ballots and today Frankens lead opened up from 49 to 225. Norm is trying to find the Super Supreme Court made up of Republicans so he can have his way. When he was the mayor of St. Paul he waas always a whinner and a bad loser when he didn't get his way and things have not changed. Franken has won the recount and Colemans lawyers will do every thing they can to block his appointment.

Norm...........apply for unemployment like the rest of us.

I live in Minnesota and am ashamed of Norm Colemens resistance to this loss. He is acting like a 12 year old.

Tell me again how can 133 ballots that can't be found actually be counted?

Tell me again how can 133 ballots that can't be found actually be counted?

#35 | Posted by buzkiller

good one!

fortunately that one was ruled in Franken's favor since the votes were known, just the paperwork missing. maybe a coleman operative stole 'em in anticipation of a possible Coleman stealth victory in the first place?

Who knows?:>)

The fact that this slanderous guttersnipe can get elected dogcatcher, let alone a senator, shows how sick America is right now.

#36 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

Gee, I feel a Franken victory gives America & Minnesotans some relief ~ comic relief ~ if anything, hopefully ~ from the disaster policies of the Repu-thugs era:>)

"The fact that this slanderous guttersnipe can get elected dogcatcher...:

R_ZEITGEIST

Slanderous? Rush Limbaugh IS a big fat idiot.

He's going to be elected because he got the most votes. If Minnesoteans were so happy with Coleman and the GOP he would have won handily. They weren't, and he didn't.

People in this country are sick right now, that explains the Jim McDermotts, the Barney Franks, the Nancy Pelosi's, and now the Stuart Smalley's.

People in this country are sick right now, that explains the Jim McDermotts, the Barney Franks, the Nancy Pelosi's, and now the Stuart Smalley's.

#41 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

& perhaps u, 2, before Rcade finally gave up banning u after every re-incarnation of the REX?:>)

I was just having fun.

What's the use of a virtual world, unless you can conquer it.

What's the point in conquering a virtual world, Rex? The spoils are what exactly? A lifetime of lunar smokestacks, hans saying 'oops', and self-absorbed canadians using terminally cutesy words like wot, luff, and sommat?

No thanks

That was years ago Goatman.

Or our resident juvenile, 101ST, trolling and declaring day after day to anyone he trolls, "I owned you".

Attention All Highway Patrol Stations:
If you spot any vehicles bearing a Minnesota License Plate outside the said state, this vehicle should be searched and the occupants charged with whatever crime you would like to charge them with, as they are too damn stupid to complain. And if there are females in the vehicle do not I repeat do not attempt to have sex with them as you would only overcrowd the planet with idiots.

really!

Translation: The Minnesota voters were fed up with Coleman and Republicans and voted him out - just as they did in several other states. How many Republicans won open seats this year too? Oh, ya. None.

If Franken won, good for him. Congrats!
Minnesota has a tradition of electing ineffectual dipshits.
#22 | Posted by vernon at 2009-01-03 11:57 PM

"Had".

You just had to know that given unlimited time for Democratic party hacks to "find" ballots in the back seats of their cars, filled in for Franken only, that they would take it eventually.

I'm glad, in a way. Franken is an angry, ugly, bitter man. He was good on SNL, though. And the Dems need another retard in the Congress who will rubber-stamp all these bailouts.

Stalin was right, only those that count the vote matter.

RiR

You're the angry, bitter man.

Franken was right. Rush Limbaugh IS a big fat idiot.
Franken is a best selling author of TWO books.
Franken is a funny man.

If Minnesota liked Coleman, this recount would have been unnecessary. As it is, it appears Franken got more votes. This process was carried out according to the law in Minnesota.

You have a problem with democracy? Or only when a Republican doesn't win?

I don't have a problem with the Republican losing. As soon as Coleman voted for the bailout of Wall Street, I couldn't care less anymore. And I haven't listened to Rush Limbaugh since the early 1990's, so I don't care about him either.

What would have been better is if so many votes hadn't been "discovered" in so many unusual ways. Ballots with only Franken's name clicked off. Ballots found in the back seats and trunks of cars, days after the election. But I guess that's what passes for Democracy in Democratic Minnesota, and that's their problem, not mine. The ends justify the means, and now funny man Franken is in the Senate. Whoopee.

RiR

There's no conspiracy. Coleman and Franken weren't carrying ballots in their cars.

Franken IS a funny man. One of my favorite bits of his was when he did a 'roving reporter' - complete with an actual working satellite dish on his head.

He was a funny enough comedy writer to win an Emmy.

His sense of humor will be a welcome asset to the Senate.

"What's the point in conquering a virtual world, Rex? The spoils are what exactly? A lifetime of lunar smokestacks, hans saying 'oops', and self-absorbed canadians using terminally cutesy words like wot, luff, and sommat?"

#44 | Posted by goatsucker

Then why do you waste sooooooo much time here, you whiney-assed fucknut?

Then why do you waste sooooooo much time here, you whiney-assed fucknut?

That's indicative of how boring life can be on an offshore oil rig. You'll very rarely see me here when I am on shore. Believe me, I've better things to do.

Thanks for the childlike name calling. It really supports whatever point you were trying to make.

"There's no conspiracy. Coleman and Franken weren't carrying ballots in their cars."

Nobody said those particular people were carrying ballots around in their cars. Are you disputing that ballots were found in an election official's car, after the election, all for Franken?

God help us. The peole of Minnesota must be complete idiots.

His sense of humor will be a welcome asset to the Senate.

#57 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Now that's funny!! FF

They happened to be from a heavily Democratic precinct. Happens.

Coleman and Franken have both had people at the recount. Nothing....nothing escaped either side.

Franken won as things stand. He got more votes from the ballots deemed legal. End of story.

oppsss people

So did Bush in 2000.

"Happens."

When else has that happened?

The peole of Minnesota must be complete idiots.

#61 | Posted by cabo_vato

Ya, how dare they vote for an idiot. It's unheard of. no one ever voted for an idiot before.

(note to self) possible conflict of data re idiots and how so many of them got into office.

how refreshing, finally a guy who's capable (hopefully) of diverting some attention away from our Kucinich (D Oh, 10th)

They happened to be from a heavily Democratic precinct. Happens.
* * *

Really? I didn't realize it was common for campaign workers to drive around with ballots in the back seats of their cars, days after the election.

Methinks that if 100% Coleman ballots showed up in the back seat of cars in Republicans counties, you might have a different definition of "Democracy" than the one you've got going now. But blind partisans are funny that way, and Al Franken's got nothing on you in that respect.

"They happened to be from a heavily Democratic precinct. Happens."

Just like the 2004 gubernatorial race in Washington, just statistical anomolies....

What is the common thread? Paul Berendt, an "expert" of sorts......

"Then why do you waste sooooooo much time here, you whiney-assed fucknut?"

Good call, Dave.

;0)

Hans

There are still uncounted absentee ballots and the dems are in a hurry to play a joke on the Senate.

Wait!

TAKiTEZ

Don't even pretend Franken and Coleman aren't playing by the same set of rules. The Election Commission decides ultimately which ballots are legal and which aren't.

Sorry Minnesota wasn't happy enough with Coleman or the GOP to reelect him handily, but that's the way it goes.

Murphy:

Come on, don't even pretend you understand politics and elections! Go back to swallowing your Limbaugh's Apple Pablum from the tip of your Pebble Flintstone spoon and leave us thinkin' peoples' to our work.

BTW: Maybe it's finally the Al Fraken Decade.

...and doggonit, I knew he would.

Now watch the Rethuglicans throw sand in the vaseline. Time, money, power. Fuck the county if it helps their party.

There are still uncounted ballots and the dems are in a hurry to seal the deal in their favor --- or to steal the deal in their favor.

"You've said that too many times, TAKITEZ"

-GOD

or Reagan as President?

#18 | Posted by Bani

Wait! You're comparing Al Frankin to Reagan? Really? Next, it will be Kennedy, Lincoln... Washington?

LOL!!!

Wait! You're comparing Al Frankin to Reagan?

They're both B actors.

but one is a ham:>)

Has anyone heard if Minn has officially certified Al Frqanken as Senator yet?? just curious.

Larry

no

Double Damn

yes, later today:>)

If Franken has won, than the democrates have gotten a CLOWN, which certainly IDs with their party.

ooops......

If Franken has won, than the democrates have gotten a CLOWN, which certainly IDs with their party.

#84 | Posted by ozzieoswald at 2009-01-05 07:44 AM |

Kinda like Bush?

"But I'd keep the Volkswagon..." LOL

The difference between Franken and Bush is Franken intends to be funny, whereas Bush says things like "I believe man and fish can coexist peacefully" while not intending to be funny.

You laugh with Franken and at Bush.

"at least Franken's Senate election has been honest. Let's see if Coleman rise to the occasion & admit his loss with honor." #7 | Posted by Bani

Franken didn't admit the loss in honor when Coleman won by 725 votes after election day.

"But after the recounts, the democrats in Minnesota mysteriously discovered nearly a thousand votes to give Al Franken"

"25 precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote."

gatewaypundit.blogspot.com

Boy, THERE'S a 'credible' site for ya. "It's true because we SAY it's true!" (forget what the Minnesota Canvassing Board has to say about it).

Hey, dude. Minnesota didn't like Coleman enough to reelect him handily. End of story.

To Rush Limbaugh: "That's SENATOR Franken to you"

I've investigated Al (The Clown) Frankens qualifications for democratic senator.

1. He can and has told dirty jokes.

2 He screwed up Air America.

3. He didn't pay over $330k taxes. (Maybe he has now since the IRS got on his tail)

This without a doubt qualifies him for a democratic senator.

STOP the counting FRANKEN has won!!!!

Extra ballots
More votes than ballots
Double counting of votes
Not counting all the ballots in some areas and counting double in others.
Election night results in one precint and post elction results in another both favor Franken

The GOP has stolen the election again!!
These are tactics only the GOP would use and recounts need to stop! Dont let them destroy or Democracy. STOP the recount FRANKEN is the true winner.

OH wait FRANKEN is a DEM and they used they tactics? I dont believe it!!

the dimwit left

Cause he's good enough, smart enough, and doggonit, he got the most votes.

Well done Senator.

If not for the fact that I can not stand franken, I would have not problem. The people have spoken.

at least Franken's Senate election has been honest.
posted by Bani

He may win, but try not to be so naive and pretend it's honest. The issues with duplicate ballots not being marked. The gross inconsistency in choosing election night results or using the actual ballots from the recount. The list of BS is very long in Minnesota.

A winner he may be, but most likely in the same fashion that George W. Bush was a winner.

Minnesota's other Senator, Amy Klobuchar, is already saying her fellow Democrats should seat Mr. Franken when the 111th Congress begins this week if the Canvassing Board certifies him as the winner. This contradicts Minnesota law, which says the state cannot award a certificate of election if one party contests the results. Ms. Klobuchar is trying to create the public perception of a fait accompli, all the better to make Mr. Coleman look like a sore loser and build pressure on him to drop his legal challenge despite the funny recount business.

"A winner he may be, but most likely in the same fashion that George W. Bush was a winner."

"Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi

Great quote Hans and very true. Besides, what's the harm with one more useless mouth piece in the Senate?

LOL I saw him on a 3rd Rock Marathon a couple weeks ago... he was a politician. Love the irony. Fake it till ya make it.

The great thing is he is been very critical of Rush Limpbough and right wing politics but when it comes to putting the pedal to the metal he shows that the "entertainer" Rush up to being the pussy he is... and has been since he grew that boil on his butt to get the draft deferment.

"Besides, what's the harm with one more useless mouth piece in the Senate?"

The way I figure it, there are approximately 535 comedians in Congress.

Isn't it about time one of them is a professional?

Hans

We probably need to ammend the Constitution to make the federal voting process better defined. Too much of this shit ends up in the courts.

Any time you have people (and their inherent biases) trying to determine the "intent" of a voter (aka changing votes), you are pissing all over Democracy.

I don't know if Franken would have won if the whole thing was done right in the first place or not. I am only unique in that I admit as much.

Declaring him the winner is completely against Minnesota law as long as the other party contests the election results. But who gives a damn about the law in this country anyways? Duplicate votes, shady inconsistencies in tally counts, etc. As long as it benefits their party most people are willing to pretend everything is gravy. Worked great for Dubya.

Cause he's good enough, smart enough, and doggonit, he got the most votes.
posted by OldWhiskeySour

Striking a final blow to my confidence that this state employs a legitimate election system. Not that I like Coleman, but Franken clearly stole this thing.

Also, the fact that Al even got close is proof that the same "anyone but the last guy" mentality that got Jesse elected is still alive and well in this state. It just goes to show how fed up we are with the ineffective wastes of breath that call themselves our elected officials. Apparently we're so starved for someone to believe in, we'll believe Al Franken.

Now if the wingnuts could take off their blinders and pick someone from outside the two party system, that's not insane (like Jesse) we might get something done around here. As it is we'll just have more big government, whether it's Norm or Al.

Unfortuantely this thing was so close that either candidate is up for various charges of vote fraud if they won. The almost really needed to do a run-off. Franken and Coleman would both be serving under a cloud, with both of them subject to charges that they did not really "win" the election.

WRONG AGAIN

FRANKEN STEALS ELECTION

absentee ballots counted twice and REJECTED ballots counted..........
at least thats the charge

court appearances pending......

one thing is FOR SURE

you libs will NOT HEAR THE LAST OF THIS FOR A LONG

LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNN
NNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG TIME to come thanks you your continued nonsense about 2000

BOY sometimes when that shoe is on the other foot and its stuck up your ass,it can be REAL uncomfortable

too bad BL@ you lose again. Your side is corrupt but this time it didn't work.

Shorter BLT:
WHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Dfiant,
Are you the only one who didnt get the Stewart Smalley reference?

FRANKEN STEALS ELECTION

absentee ballots counted twice and REJECTED ballots counted..........
at least thats the charge

All questionable ballots were approved by/counted in the presence of Coleman's lawyers-if the count had gone the other way, do you think Rusty would be here claiming Coleman stole the election?

Coleman-one and done....

too bad BL@ you lose again. Your side is corrupt but this time it didn't work.
posted by RastaNinja

I don't care if we did win crooked and underhanded. You take a win any way you can get it. If I was on the election board you can bet that I would be doing whatever I had to make sure my candidate had every advantage.

Hey Rusty Trombone! Suck on it!

I don't care if we did win crooked and underhanded. You take a win any way you can get it. If I was on the election board you can bet that I would be doing whatever I had to make sure my candidate had every advantage.
posted by RastaNinja

This isn't a pointless sporting event jackass. You sir, are part of the problem.

Not that I like Coleman, but Franken clearly stole this thing.

The whole recount process was open to public examination. Votes were even scrutinized on live streaming video on the web. I don't see how anyone can possibly claim it was stolen. This is how recounts work.

I'd prefer a system where elections that were this close triggered a second vote, but the current system in Minnesota is as fair as a recount ever gets.

I'm glad Franken won. Coleman's a tool, and Franken was a terrible talk radio host.

Under Minnesota law, election officials are required to make a duplicate ballot if the original is damaged during Election Night counting. Officials are supposed to mark these as "duplicate" and segregate the original ballots. But it appears some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted in addition to the originals. This helps explain why more than 25 precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote. By some estimates this double counting has yielded Mr. Franken an additional 80 to 100 votes.

One Canvassing Board member, State Supreme Court Justice G. Barry Anderson, has acknowledged that "very likely there was a double counting." Yet the board insists that it lacks the authority to question local officials and it is merely adding the inflated numbers to the totals.

Last month, Mr. Franken's campaign charged that one Hennepin County (Minneapolis) precinct had "lost" 133 votes, since the hand recount showed fewer ballots than machine votes recorded on Election Night. Though there is no proof to this missing vote charge -- officials may have accidentally run the ballots through the machine twice on Election Night -- the Canvassing Board chose to go with the Election Night total, rather than the actual number of ballots in the recount. That decision gave Mr. Franken a gain of 46 votes.

Meanwhile, a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night. In that case, the board decided to go with the extra ballots, rather than the Election Night total, even though the county is now showing more ballots than voters in the precinct. This gave Mr. Franken a net gain of 37 votes, which means he's benefited both ways from the board's inconsistency.

So, despite RCade's contention that "the whole recount process was open to public examination," there isn't much the public can do when their state elections board is hell bent on basing the ruling on each challenge on whether Al Franken will benefit, short of voting them out of office or voting against whoever appointed them, whatever the case may be.

Sorry Rasta but BLT is correct (ugh, I can't believe I just had to write that).

#15 | Posted by dfiant at 2009

I will be happy to give you a name of a therapist that I use on those occasions when I agree with northguy for example

its kind of like taking that medicine that tastes like shit going down.............

Hey Rusty Trombone! Suck on it!

#17 | Posted by briwo at 2009-01-05 02:23 PM

I wonder if I can send this intelligent response to rush in response to his talk today about debunking myths of liberals and liberalism
it would go right into the column on how liberals are ALL SO MUCH SMARTER Than us poor old trailor park red necks.............

good one...........

Stealing an election isn't so easy, the R's needed the ugly supreme's
to make it so for them 8 years back, and if there was malfeseance in
'04, I'm one D who believes Bush would have won anyway: War. A lay down shill media shivering under the umbrella of Fox. The sliming of Kerry by the slimiest. A nations fear and willingness to give into that fear. But now... if you're going to steal an election you don't do it for a highly polarizing, high profile celebrity who is highly scrutinized, has public skeletons, and isn't even 100% popular with his own kind.
Meaning the funny man. Trying to steal this would be dumb, and illogical. That said, it's the R's turn to rumblestilskin their own conspiracy theories. It's kind've fun watching them howl in the corner... more so because the child is howling due to the just desserts served in reward for their own past and actions. But will the Child learn? Oh, shit, I'm supposed to be ignoring the brat...

I'm glad Franken won. Coleman's a tool, and Franken was a terrible talk radio host.

#19 | Posted by rcade at 2009-01-05

ALL RIGHT!!!

maybe we really are in for change

LOOK FOLKS

HUMOR FROM THE GODFATHER>...............LOL

#95 | Posted by Hans: The way I figure it, there are approximately 535 comedians in Congress. Isn't it about time one of them is a professional...

...or funny?

FFfY, Hans

JOE...posts 21-24 are pretty interesting arent they

they are so prevalent that you can see even posters like difiant are agreeing with you...

as I said before....if franken is seated under these conditions....you on the left here will be hearing about this for a long..

REALLY LONG TIME>......................

sometimes, payback is hell isint it???

I don't see how anyone can possibly claim it was stolen. This is how recounts work.
posted by Rcade

"FFfY, Hans"

Thanks, Phoenix. ;0)

Hans

Good point Dfiant. And when election workers find ballots in the trunk of their car, all marked for Franken, days after the election, and they are counted, I suppose that's simply "how recounts work" too. Minnesota's lesson in democracy sure is an enlightening one.

payback is hell isint it???

#28 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2009-01-05 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Getting one senate seat from some flyover state is payback for Bush stealing the election in 2000? Hardly. There's nothing near the likelihood of damage that's been done.

yeah those millions of iraqis who are free now to throw thier shoes at people are real damage

and the aids money and help in africa...damn that damage

and as usual....the old stand by..

NO ATTACKS SINCE 9/11............

"as I said before....if franken is seated under these conditions....you on the left here will be hearing about this for a long.."

And if he is seated under any other conditions we will hear about it for a long time....we already get it.....Republicans will be whining for a very long time.

"NO ATTACKS SINCE 9/11............"

Just think, if they had paid attention to the pdb's and other intel you could claim no attacks under Bush's watch.....but you can't BECAUSE the worst attack in history occurred 9 months into Bush's presidency....a bit too long to just blame it on Clinton.....How many months does Obama get a pass on????

Like 2000, this is one of those elections where you just kind of shake your head and know something went really wrong, and get frustrated that nothing will be done about it.

How can you have more votes coming from precincts than voters and claim you won the election? If Norm Coleman were my senator I'd want to vote against him more than once, but there are laws against that.

Danni is the queef that cried non-stop for the past 8 years about election fraud right? And now she of all people is talking about whining? Priceless.
So why isn't danni crying now? Oh, Franken is a democrat. In other words, Danni doesn't care about voter fraud, just republican voter fraud.

And if he is seated under any other conditions we will hear about it for a long time....we already get it.....Republicans will be whining for a very long time.

#33 | Posted by danni at

ah good one

accusing us of whining about election fraud..

this is funny stuff

Just think, if they had paid attention to the pdb's and other intel you could claim no attacks under Bush's watch.....but you can't BECAUSE the worst attack in history occurred 9 months into Bush's presidency....a bit too long to just blame it on Clinton.....How many months does Obama get a pass on????

#34 | Posted by danni at 2009

oh SWEETTY........you poor thing..
blame it all on bush, sure good ahead because no matter what facts you come up against, you will anyway........

and why did the bastards think they could actually COMMIT THE wtc attacks??

thats easy....clinton treated them and thier treats as normal police actions.......if you will...

"So why isn't danni crying now?"

How about because they were allowed to actually complete the recount unlike 2000 when the SC ended it when they realized Gore would win if it continued.

"thats easy....clinton treated them and thier treats as normal police actions.......if you will..."

Oh, you mean like putting them in jail????
I think that was preferable to the way Osama was just allowed to escape at Tora Bora.

How about because they were allowed to actually complete the recount unlike 2000 when the SC ended it when they realized Gore would win if it continued.

It is justice when she gets what she wants and it is a conspiracy when she doesn't.

How about because they were allowed to actually complete the recount unlike 2000 when the SC ended it when they realized Gore would win if it continued.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2009-01-05 03:09 PM | Reply

The recount that Bush would have won anyway?

Tell me Manni, does it bother you that more votes were registered than actual voters, and that Franken was the recipient of those over counts?

Why do you continually speak of things you are ignorant about?

"oh SWEETTY........you poor thing..
blame it all on bush,"

And heaven forbid, what if something as terrible occurs on Obama's watch....does he get a pass from you too???

sure.....why would you think otherwise...( WINK WINK)

How about because they were allowed to actually complete the recount unlike 2000 when the SC ended it when they realized Gore would win if it continued.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2009

maybe we can compare it when THREE SEPERATE media outlets count the votes as they did in your state...( which I think is a large part of your problem with it...the old hanging chad syndrome I think is the clinical name....LOL)

and ALL THREE came up with the same result

bush won florida and thus the white house

Oh, you mean like putting them in jail????
I think that was preferable to the way Osama was just allowed to escape at Tora Bora.

#40 | Posted by danni at 2009-01

maybe I didnt state my point the best way but you know what I meant.......

"thats easy....clinton treated them and thier treats as normal police actions.......if you will..."

The people responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing are rotting in jail.

Where's Osama bin Laden?

Hans

The rep won by a small margin in a dem state, then they do a recount and guess who wins! I am shocked.

thats a good question....have you got any info from your muslim connections....

you are in aljazeera arent you??????

okay okay ...it was a lot funnier when I was thinking of it...

Where's Osama bin Laden?

Hans

Posted by Hans at 2009-01-05 03:26 PM | Reply

Free Thanks to Dubya and His loyalty to the Bin Laden family.

Larry

"maybe we can compare it when THREE SEPERATE media outlets count the votes as they did in your state"

Oops:

hans..

you are so funny............

I have no more of an idea if the election was rigged than anybody else (even you die hard lefties have to admit there are some questionable episodes here..) but just the fact that roughly half of the people of MN voted for a mean spirited silly person like Frankin is frightening.

Oh well, I doubt he can push the Senate's ratings any lower..

"The rep won by a small margin in a dem state, then they do a recount and guess who wins! I am shocked."

#48 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-01-05 03:28 PM

Wayback machine:

The dem won by a small margin in a rep state, then they do a recount and guess who wins! I am shocked.

#48 | Posted by Niper at 2000-12-05 03:28 PM

"you are so funny............"

I provided my sources.

Where are yours?

Hans

this guy I knew had a cousin who was a friend of this lady who read the newspaper the day after it all came out.....

so beat that...knucklehead...

Today machine:

I have nothing to offer, and I know Franken's win is a fraud, so I'll just point out the 2000 election over and over to remind people that Franken isn't the only cheater in the world, despite the fact that the claims made here are different than those made in 2000.

Hans
#16 | Posted by Hans at 2009-01-05 02:02 PM

"this guy I knew had a cousin who was a friend of this lady who read the newspaper the day after it all came out.....

"so beat that...knucklehead..."

Okay:

"Today machine"

Apparently, creativity isn't covered until the fourth year of "law school."

Hans

Really? So when precincts end up with more vote counts than people who actually voted that's how recounts work? Unreal.

Recounting votes is as error-prone as counting them the first time. If the process is transparent, the errors should balance out. So far I haven't seen any evidence that Franken got less votes than Coleman on Election Day. Game over, he wins.

if franken is seated under these conditions....you on the left here will be hearing about this for a long.. REALLY LONG TIME

So what? Did you care about the eight years of complaints about the unfairness of the 2000 Florida recount? Did you -- or any of the other people complaining about Franken's win in Minnesota -- care about voting reform after 2000?

Personally, I think recounts are a huge mess, and razor-close elections should trigger a second vote for the top two candidates. But that's no reason to treat Franken's win as illegitimate.

About Congress' low approval ratings: Something harped on by faithful Rs in a lame attempt to prove America distrusts D's as much as their beloved R's. Why don't we wait and see where those polls go
with a D Pres and more D's in formerly R seats. If they #'s are still in the gutter in say... four months, more power to your attempt to equivocate deceitful and nasty incompetent anti-government disguised as simple incompetence with an attempt to right the ship you fers tried to sink. We'll see.

"the process is transparent, the errors should balance out."

Except nearly every "found vote" and ruling on challenges have benefited Franken. Funny how that happens.

You're a smart guy, it's funny to watch you pretend this is legit.

"creativity"

The guy who only knows how to deflect to an election from 8 years ago wants to talk about "creativity." Hilarious.

How many months does Obama get a pass on????

#34 | Posted by danni

Now that he knows how they are going to operate, NONE!

For eight years, the GOP has derided those concerned about our broken voting process as "left-wing crazies". Even though acknowledging that there are problems would have done nothing to change the outcome of past elections, the GOP still fought attempts at legitimizing and securing the vote.

Now, a GOP Senator may lose his seat due to voting uncertainties. I say may because we don't know and can't know the real election results.

Good.

Maybe now we can get all bi-partisan about the problem...

"The guy who only knows how to deflect to an election from 8 years ago wants to talk about "creativity." Hilarious."

8 years ago?

"This is like deja vu all over again." -- Yogi Berra

Did the Losertarians lose the recount? No wonder Joe is doing so much whining. What was their percentage of the vote, anyway?

In the 50+ years it has taken you to become a fat, bald slob, you still haven't learned how to be creative. I'm not worried, Hans.

rcade..........all you have to do is look at one of joes posts about more votes than ballots, I believe was one of them.............or something like that.

and besides regardless of what you or hans links or posts...the supreme court according to the constitution said bush won and its thats good enough to unlease dozens of suspected terrorists into the country then it should have been good enough for all of you all this time

but then we always have the liberal selective thinking or reasoning thing going here as well

and ALSO please notice that this ALLEGED fraud even has some dems and liberal leaning people asking some of the same questions

Null Set shows up with a typically vapid post. The day is complete.

"the supreme court according to the constitution said bush won ..."

So much for denying that Bush was crowned kin...er, President.

Hans

"In the 50+ years it has taken you to become a fat, bald slob, you still haven't learned how to be creative. I'm not worried, Hans."

Oooo... First grader taunts. Real "creative."

;0)

Hans

Wow. The Losertarian Party senate candidate got 0.5 percent of the vote in Minnesota. Pretty impressive for America's "3rd largest political party".

I don't know if Franken would have won if the whole thing was done right in the first place or not. I am only unique in that I admit as much.

#6 | Posted by Sully

he won!

a run off would have been better...Can't imagine Barkley/Ventura not supportin Franken over coleman...thus a Coleman wipeout!

Jesse Ventura: CIA Embedded in Every State Government

I don't understand why you democrats don't go all the way and elect Bozo the clown. Why go half the way with this ass clown Frankenberry?

there's always Jeb:>)

Meanwhile the Repubs bring forth McCain/Palin, Bozo and his sidekick Cookie.
Dyk maybe you should ask why your party did exactly that.

You're a smart guy, it's funny to watch you pretend this is legit.

What does it take for a recount not to be considered legit -- a single decision that you disagree with? This recount process involved hundreds, perhaps thousands, of judgment calls. Cherry-picking a couple of them does not invalidate the entire process.

"What does it take for a recount not to be considered legit -- a single decision that you disagree with?"

If I'm required to set a standard, how about - the number of mysterious found votes, overages and conflicting election board decisions all in favor of one candidate that we've seen in Franken's case. We can start there.

"Cherry-picking a couple of them does not invalidate the entire process."

When the election is won by a few hundred votes, a few votes sitting in the trunk of an election worker's car can invalidate the entire process. Again, I'm sure you already know this, but it's interesting to see how long you'll pretend you don't.

Did Al (The CLOWN) Franken Win? If he did, you democrats deserve him.

If I'm required to set a standard, how about - the number of mysterious found votes, overages and conflicting election board decisions all in favor of one candidate that we've seen in Franken's case.

Joe

really! you were there with Coleman's lawyers watching here in Minnesota?

Recounting votes is as error-prone as counting them the first time. If the process is transparent, the errors should balance out.
posted by Rcade

I do agree with you about how messy a recount is and that a margin this slim should trigger an automatic re-vote regardless. Recounts put the results into too few hands. Hands that either have agendas of their own or can easily be manipulated into having one.

I'm shocked at the amount of people here who have bitched for years about the Florida and Ohio debacles in 2000 & 2004 actually defending and supporting this bullshit. Shame on all of you. You clearly have no respect or understanding of how Democracy was intended to work.

"Recounts put the results into too few hands. Hands that either have agendas of their own or can easily be manipulated into having one."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't recounts conducted with representatives of both (or in this case all three) candidates present? Wouldn't the "agendas" balance each other?

"Wouldn't the "agendas" balance each other?"

The recount was fair as it could get with a Republican Governor & Coleman losT ~ Thank goodness:>)

/After reading BAni's linked article I am glad Coleman is losing and just disappointed in the people of Minnesota....it is unbelievable that so many voted for this scum bag.

"how is it that having an equal number of representatives present makes any difference whatsoever when you have decisions like these being made by the canvassing board?"

Both, or all, have the equal right to object. Isn't that part of Norm "don't waste the taxpayer's money" Coleman's upcoming lawsuit?

almost 400k voted for the former Senator Barkley ~ a Ventura appointee ~ so that's says something too:>)

Dan, my guess is that a judge might be more reluctant to overturn a certified candidate. The fact that it even gets to the lawsuit stage is a plus for the person already declared to be the winner.

Both, or all, have the equal right to object. Isn't that part of Norm "don't waste the taxpayer's money" Coleman's upcoming lawsuit?

#86 | Posted by Danforth

FF yes, now Norm is crying when he first said Franken shouldn't waste the taxpayers money on a recount...now why did he say that?

"Difficulties are things that show a person what they are."
Epictetus

"my guess is that a judge might be more reluctant to overturn a certified candidate. "

Why, if the claims are as legitimate as you believe? I mean, they certainly sound reasonable to me.

As for the linked ballots, I would have decided in the exact opposite way vs. the canvassing board. It seems, in the first one, they first put an "X" in/on the circle, then tried to darken it. In the Franken one, it looks like the initial vote for Franken was reconsidered.

(BTW, the second of your three links takes one to the same ballot as your first.)

Thanks for the thoughts Ozzie. Any man who could ridicule a political party and their lemmings through the presentations of facts and reality in the face of lies of delusion is a good man to have. Again,
thanks for the warm wishes.

"lies and delusions"

Dan, if you don't agree that judges (especially elected ones) will be reluctant to overturn the winner of an election who has been certified by the secretary of state, that's your problem. I'm not saying that they won't when the claims are legitimate, I'm saying that they might give a little more credit to the winner than he deserves for their own sake, so as not to rock the boat.

Especially since Coleman is such a whinner?

"Coleman has sued every opponent since 1998. What a loser."

as a friend of mine put several months ago:>)

"that's your problem."

You're suggesting a judge would ignore legitimate truths for the sake of expediency.

Wouldn't you agree that's more than just my problem?

State Supreme Court Justice G. Barry Anderson, has acknowledged that "very likely there was a double counting."

G. BARRY ANDERSON: A former attorney for the state Republican Party, Anderson has served on the state Supreme Court since Pawlenty put him there in 2004. Anderson, 54, served on the state Court of Appeals for six years and has declined partisan endorsements in his judicial elections. He was city attorney in Hutchinson, Minn., from 1987 to 1998. Anderson specialized in civil trials before his judicial career began.

Oh surprise he'd say there was likely double counting, but at least he didn't say who the double counting went towards. No, that's left to Joe and others to assume.

By some estimates this double counting has yielded Mr. Franken an additional 80 to 100 votes.

Yet Franken's up by 225 votes.

Coleman still lost.

Tool.

According to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, the 171 votes in Ramsey County were uncounted until the final day of the recount due to a machine jam:

You clearly have no respect or understanding of how Democracy was intended to work.

This is as good as any recount could ever possibly work. It's the nature of the beast. At least here, unlike Florida in 2000, they did a full recount of the entire state's votes.

I'd say this if Coleman won. Or even if Coleman wins later through the courts. It was inevitable, when this recount began, that the winner's margin would be based on a bunch of contentious judgment calls made by local and state election officials.

HERE COMES THE CLOWN! Aren't you democrats proud of your new senator, Al (The Clown) Franken. Maybe all the demoncratic senators can get together before meetings and the CLOWN can tell some dirty jokes. A good start for a party that had a great win and is now going down hill. How sad for the American people.

Oddly enough, the most important aspect of this election has been missed by everyone here. (forgive me if it is here and I missed it in the chaff)

There is a very important lesson to be learned: EVERY VOTE COUNTS! Please, don't anyone ever miss an election. It could be your vote that puts your candidate into office. Don't sit at home and tell yourself that your vote doesn't count. The microthin victories in this and recent elections prove otherwise.

VOTE!

Whine, whine, whine

Democrat gains:

Senate - +8
House -- +21
White House - Democrat

Barack Obama 365
John McCain- 173
(that's more than 2-1 isn't it?)

EVERY VOTE COUNTS!

That's what I told every person I met while canvassing over the summer and fall - no matter who they preferred.

If anyone is till listening, here's a link that addresses many of the concerns/points being brought up here:

besides the fact that franken is fantastic, i can only think of one other better reason for his victory-

got you s-iteating bastards back, didn't we? this isn't exactly on the scale of 2000, but suck on it...lollipop, lollipop- payback

"There is a very important lesson to be learned: EVERY VOTE COUNTS! Please, don't anyone ever miss an election."

Here is another link indicating four republicans and one democrat on the canvassing board.

"There is a very important lesson to be learned: EVERY VOTE COUNTS! Please, don't anyone ever miss an election."

I'm offshore. Didn't vote.
"That's what I told every person I met while canvassing over the summer and fall - no matter who they preferred."

Too bad that fell on some deaf ears, AU.

Hans

Yeah, hans, we keep lobbying to get voting booths on the offshore oil rigs, but so far not luck. Maybe you can have that as a topic on your radio show and your three listeners could come up with a solution. LOL

Yeah, hans, we keep lobbying to get voting booths on the offshore oil rigs, but so far not luck. Maybe you can have that as a topic on your radio show and your three listeners could come up with a solution. LOL

Posted by goatman at 2009-01-05 08:38 PM | Reply

Ever think about Prevoting for Your candidates BEFORE You go offshore?? Might be doable You know.

Larry

"Ever think about Prevoting for Your candidates BEFORE You go offshore?? Might be doable You know."

You're right, Larry.

Texas Absentee Voter Guide
There is a very important lesson to be learned: EVERY VOTE COUNTS! Please, don't anyone ever miss an election. It could be your vote that puts your candidate into office. Don't sit at home and tell yourself that your vote doesn't count. The microthin victories in this and recent elections prove otherwise.

I'm offshore. Didn't vote.
VOTE!

Indeed. EVERY VOTE COUNTS!

Poor, poor hans. Wants SOOO deserately to get his quotas of gothas today.

I thought I was going to be onshore during election day. But I had to work over a week for someone. I did not know that until my hitch started. Therefore, not being a Nostradamus, I did not vote absentee.

This would've happend last month too if an election had been the week of Christmas. I wan't supposed to work Christmas, but my relief got sick and I had to work a week over unexpectedly.

BTW, I mentioned this back then, but I notice that you disingenuously did not post that link off your harddrive archives.

It must suck having a pin pop your ooops balloon, doesn't it?

Might be doable You know.

It might be, Larry, but not always. See my post #213

"I thought I was going to be onshore during election day."

There is a very important lesson to be learned: EVERY VOTE COUNTS! Please, don't anyone ever miss an election. It could be your vote that puts your candidate into office. Don't sit at home and tell yourself that your vote doesn't count. The microthin victories in this and recent elections prove otherwise.

Hans

Lousy excuse Goatman. If I was going to be gone someplace and something very important to Me was to transpire in so close of a proximaty to the time I were to go back I would make doubly sure it was done before I left. Hell I was in voting shot November the 4th and I voted 2 weeks early so I made doubly sure I got My ticket to bitch in.

Larry

Hell if memory serves Me correctly it was October 23 2008 at 8:10 AM

My, my, my. Your desperation is showing big time, hans. Is your quota that low today? Does spamming help? If so, I'll assist:

I thought I was going to be onshore during election day. But I had to work over a week for someone. I did not know that until my hitch started. Therefore, not being a Nostradamus, I did not vote absentee.

This would've happend last month too if an election had been the week of Christmas. I wan't supposed to work Christmas, but my relief got sick and I had to work a week over unexpectedly.

BTW, I mentioned this back then, but I notice that you disingenuously did not post that link off your harddrive archives.

It must suck having a pin pop your ooops balloon, doesn't it?

LOL

Lousy excuse Goatman

It's a lousy excuse to not be able to predict the future? Whatever, Larry. Sue me

"Might be doable You know."

In Texas, Larry, it most certainly would be.

"Lousy excuse Goatman. If I was going to be gone someplace and something very important to Me was to transpire in so close of a proximaty to the time I were to go back I would make doubly sure it was done before I left."

Excellent point, Larry. And very true.

Hans

LOL. I've never seen such desperation, Hans. Exactly what is the penalty for missing your gotcha quota? It must be something awful watching you try to 'get me'. LOL

I thought I was going to be onshore during election day. But I had to work over a week for someone. I did not know that until my hitch started. Therefore, not being a Nostradamus, I did not vote absentee.

This would've happend last month too if an election had been the week of Christmas. I wan't supposed to work Christmas, but my relief got sick and I had to work a week over unexpectedly.

BTW, I mentioned this back then, but I notice that you disingenuously did not post that link off your harddrive archives.

It must suck having a pin pop your ooops balloon, doesn't it?

"LOL. I've never seen such desperation, Hans."

Right. Real "desperation":

Senator Al Franken.

Lousy excuse Goatman. If I was going to be gone someplace and something very important to Me was to transpire in so close of a proximaty to the time I were to go back I would make doubly sure it was done before I left."

Excellent point, Larry. And very true.

Whatever, hans. If my prognostication skills lack and that is the best you can do to get your childish, 'gotcha', it is obviously something very, very important to you. I don't understand it, but since this blog, your archives, and your 'gotcha' moments seem so precious, go for it, dude.

I'm an awful american for missing a vote due to something beyond my control. But I think Uncle Sam will forgive me. I gave six years of my life in service of this country, something you, as a chicken shit did not even consider.

You win

(picturing hans jumping up and down his room clapping his hands chanting "goody, goody gumdrops, goody goody gumdrops.)

(Oh, btw, I'm sure you'll already have done it, but be sure to put a flag on the "I'm an awful American" part in the second paragraph so that you can take it out of context a couple of years down the road)

I'm off to seek adult converstation

"Whatever, hans."

I do believe that the electorate of Minn have got the representation they deserve.

BTW: Maybe it's finally the Al Fraken Decade.

#73 | Posted by DUMPLING1

Maybe da' dump would at least know how to spell his heroes name...

Who are you again??

------

There are 654 ballots that need to be counted that are hung up in the legal process.

Like so many DR mantra proclaims--

"Count all the votes"!!!!!

"There are 654 ballots that need to be counted that are hung up in the legal process.

"Like so many DR mantra proclaims--

"Count all the votes"!!!!!"

Posted by MURPHY at 2009-01-05 10:12 PM

The Wayback Machine:

There are 654 ballots that need to be counted that are hung up in the legal process.

Like so many DR mantra proclaims--

"Count all the votes"!!!!!

Posted by SMURPHY at 2000-12-05 10:12 PM

There are 654 ballots that need to be counted that are hung up in the legal process.

Like so many DR mantra proclaims--

"Count all the votes"!!!!!

Posted by MURPHY

don't worry ~ Coleman will keep chanting it or something for the next 6 years...

Senator Al Franken

(I just wanted to see that again)

Senator Al Franken

(I just wanted to see that again)

I hope you will be able to say that in 6 years.

Goatman-
Would you champion the sartorial finesse that is the substance of Coleman in his stead?

Would you champion the sartorial finesse that is the substance of Coleman in his stead?

I don't know what the fuck you just said, but I want the person in office who the people of Minnesota voted for.

I hope this answered your question. If not, please rephrase

This is a victory for all of America. Al Franken will make for a great statesmen.

Al Franken will make for a great statesmen

???

How do you know this? He has had zero time as an elected official.

Just as we shouldn't judge Obama before he has had time in the office, we shouldn't judge Franken prematurely

I can tell by Franken's Character. He is a honest honorable man. Coleman was shallow and petty. He showed unparalleled dishonesty and greed.

Hey Goat, I have an idea. Let's follow Burris's lead and judge them both preternaturally.

Very close race-conservatives hate him

All of you absolute suck-job supporters of this hate-spewing, non-funny, almost as much experience as Obama, Al Franken have obviously been in front of the Stewart Smalley mirror. You must have told yourselves whatever you needed to hear to convince yourselves to vote for this disgrace!
Oh well, now you can root for him now that the Vikings are toast! I'm still rooting for Coleman!
Things better change for the Twins to have a chance!By the way, tough winter, eh? Damn climate change! The Earth is either getting warmer or it's not! Start using reason other that blind hatred or emotion and this country will be truly on the right course!!

"Start using reason other that blind hatred"

""All of you absolute suck-job supporters of this hate-spewing, non-funny, almost as much experience as Obama, Al Franken have obviously been in front of the Stewart Smalley mirror. You must have told yourselves whatever you needed to hear to convince yourselves to vote for this disgrace!""

nuf said.

the supreme court according to the constitution said bush won ..."

So much for denying that Bush was crowned kin...er, President.

Hans

#169 | Posted by Hans at

and so much for you ever talking about the constitution. just like the electoral college . you bring it up when it suits your political purpose and when it gets in the way, you want to change it.

and its amazing that over a million people actually voted to put this man in the senate.

but alas....its minnesota's business and there isnt much we can do about it , is there.

too bad some of you dont understand that when it comes to texas politics.

"and its amazing that over a million people actually voted to put this man in the senate.

but alas....its minnesota's business and there isnt much we can do about it , is there.

too bad some of you dont understand that when it comes to texas politics.
#243 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2009-01-06 11:36 AM"

Some good point(s), bushlovertwo.
I can't believe I just "said" that.

OTOH, it's probably more accurate to say that folks became upset when Texas politics injected itself into "our" (and the world's) politics. What happened in Texas didn't necessarily stay in Texas.

Oh, and I wonder if you'd still feel the same way if Mr. Franken parlayed recent events (whether he's sworn in as senator or not) into becoming president.

Guess we can now stop picking on Sweet uh, Caroline, you know, for no experience. Frankenstein goes to Washington puts Caroline over the top in NY, bet ya' a dollar! America in decline is happening faster than, well, Dems, you know, protecting their co-conspirators, you know, in Fannie and Freddie and the UAW. Orange jumpsuits all around I say!

Go DEMS

"Ubetcha!"

Come on, you KNOW you want to say it bumpkin44.

Oops!

the supreme court according to the constitution said bush won ..."

So much for denying that Bush was crowned kin...er, President.

Hans

#169 | Posted by Hans at

and so much for you ever talking about the constitution. just like the electoral college . you bring it up when it suits your political purpose and when it gets in the way, you want to change it.

#242 | Posted by bushlovertwo

just ignoring it is the fashion of the day.

"Coleman filed suit --election contest--"

So...like ol' Murf, Coleman's a sore, pathetic loser.

Whatta surprise.

So Dave, I'm presuming you are pretending that Franken wouldn't have if the roles were reversed?

You're funny.

So Dave, I'm presuming you are pretending that Franken wouldn't have if the roles were reversed?

You're funny.

#250 | Posted by goatman

If he didn't sue, half the people of that state would have. The results are fishy at best.

Franken is a dumbass to declare victory with all the suspecion.

What? The Republican loser filed a lawsuit to try to overturn the results? Oh, the irony. Sweet, sweet irony.

What? The Republican loser filed a lawsuit to try to overturn the results? Oh, the irony. Sweet, sweet irony.

~Montecore

And ya wot goes really good to wash down all that sweet, sweet irony?

He won by 225 votes and Norms in denial right now.

Franken is a very humble man who also took the time to praise Coleman. More than I can say for that idiot Coleman. The recount is done and to the victor go the spoiles.

Coleman was calling for Franken to concede on Nov 5th saying "That's what I'd do" and now that he's a total loser, he has FLIP FLOPPED and is now suing.

FLIP FLOPPER

FLIP FLOPPER

FLIP FLOPPER

from above...

"Nuh-Uh! Just wait till we hold our breath until we turn blue!"

Sincerely,

The Right

"So hold yer breath, hold yer breath, hoooooold yer breath already!! I wanna watch, I wanna watch, I wanna watch"

--he says in his best Bugs Bunny voice...

"Naaaaah, What's up Rethuglicans?" (chews on carrot)

Coleman filed suit --election contest--"

So...like ol' Murf, Coleman's a sore, pathetic loser.

Whatta surprise.

and again....the left believes they are the only ones who can contest an election because they would never do what they accuse the right of.......
and thats bullshit.........

and again...somewhere I read last night that even with the sectry of state saying its offiicial that minnesota law allows for more investigation into it.

anyone else see that. I have misplaced the article

somewhere I read last night that even with the sectry of state saying its offiicial that minnesota law allows for more investigation into it.

#258 | Posted by bushlovertwo

Saw the SecState himself say that on the news last night.

okay..........of course even if it were final as pronounced by that office, I would assume that legal means are still allowed..

well they are for sure if its the dem who was losing the recount.

zThis is the Thread where the regular Wingdings comment on how Sick America is right now, (of them) but refuse to hold themselves in anyway responsible for the "conservatives" demise in the public eye.

"and as usual....the old stand by..
NO ATTACKS SINCE 9/11"

YEAH!

And how about this fact of History:

People Don't Remember and History doesnt record what DIDN'T happen.

On the election court papers it is claimed--

133 ballots were counted for the recount--but they can't find the original ballots.

How can you count 133 ballots in a recount without the originals??

25 precincts discovered new ballots for the recount--more ballots than people who voted in those precincts.

They counted Frankens 394 absentee ballots that he wanted and Coleman had 654 absentee ballots to be counted.

The board refused to count the 654 absentee ballots.

----

There are 3 parts to voting elections--

1st is the election night
2nd is the recount--if needed
3rd is the courts to make sure the recount was fair.

Just like to see all the votes counted and no votes counted twice.

"Just like to see all the votes counted and no votes counted twice.
#263 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-01-07 05:11 PM"

MURPHY

An admirable position AND I don't see anyone here advocating anything to the contrary.

HOWEVER, you might have missed the earlier post which had addressed many (all?) of the recent Wall Street Journal's Editorial which coincidentally (!) are the same ones you're repeatedly presenting. Maybe you'd like to address those counter-points instead of just ignoring them?

In case you missed it, here's the link again:

#144

What about the people who bombed one of our warships, Hans? How about the ones who bombed our embassies? I think that's what BL2 is talking about when he says policing. And where else do you expect someone who bombed the Trade Center in '93 to be? Do you really give Clinton that much credit for catching someone on our own soil?

Man, you say some really dumb things for a person who presents themselves as smarter than everyone else.

Excuse me, that was post #145.