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Sunday, January 04, 2009

The Army is investigating a cluster of suicides in the Houston Recruiting Battalion, where five soldiers have taken their own lives since 2001. Nationally, 17 recruiters have committed suicide during the same period. Republican Sen. John Cornyn of Texas has called for an inquiry.

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Chris Rodriguez, a friend who worked with Aron Andersson as a recruiter, says no one wanted to lie, but pressure on recruiters is intense during wartime. Recruiting is considered one of the most stressful jobs in the military.

"A soldier doesn't want to get down and beg a person to join the Army, but I think often at times these recruiters, myself, we felt like we were begging them and trying to do anything to convince them to give it a try like we had," Rodriguez says. "We often sat in the recruiting station, sometimes really late, and talked about how we'd rather be in Iraq than recruiting."

Aron Andersson was diagnosed with PTSD and depression, prescribed medication, and returned to recruiting duty. His unit was advised to keep an eye on him, and six months later, he took his life.

On Aug. 9, Staff Sgt. Larry Flores, an Iraq veteran, hanged himself in his garage with an extension cord. Fellow recruiters told the Houston Chronicle that a week earlier, Flores had been yelled at and threatened with firing for failing to meet the goal of two recruits each month. He was also having trouble with his wife.

Two weeks later, Sgt. First Class Patrick Henderson, also an Iraq veteran in the same recruiting company with Flores, hanged himself in the garage behind his home. Like Aron Andersson, Henderson had earlier called his wife, Amanda, from his pickup, saying he was going to kill himself.

"Crazed, hysterical he was crying and screaming, and I kept asking him what's wrong, and he said 'I just can't deal with it anymore,' " Amanda Henderson says. "He said, 'I've got the shotgun.' "


~NPR

Be Well.

investigarion = investigation

Be Well.

"5 suicides in Houston alone."

Like that surprises anyone?

"5 suicides in Houston alone."

Like that surprises anyone?

~LUP

Maybe they all spent some time talking to Gloat before killing themselves.

Maybe they offed themselves in order to prevent a future occurance.

Just a theory, mind you.

Got no hard data to back it up at present.

Be Well.

Maybe they all spent some time talking to Gloat before killing themselves.

No, I don't spend that much time in Houston. Just catching a flight there every other Friday at IAH either to or from New Orleans. Can't pin this on me.

Funny stuff guys, thanks!

Cornyn has proved over and over again what a friend he is to the military.


bravenewfilms.org

Cornyn has proved over and over again what a friend he is to the military.

~Reinheitsgebot

Whaaa?!

Ah, you musta fergot to close off yer /snark> html.

Spud shoulda figured when he saw the BNF link below.

Them kidZ rawk.

Ta fer the link.

The fact that Republicans as a rule tend to talk big on supporting the troops and then FAIL to fund their words in terms of supplying equipment, rasies, an adequate VA etc etc ad nauseum is not in doubt.

They talk the talk and then walk backwards.

Too many so-called investigations turn into white washes where the military is concerned.

Spud imagines that will be the case here.

Be Well.

Maybe their conscience caught up to them.

It is the simple fact that military = socialist and everyone knows how Rtards don't like socialism. Right, Snippy?

Everything about the military is socialist. It is the perfect socialist society that has the added benefit of being very profitable for the capitalist economy of the country supporting it.

It's the unprofitable bits that the Rtards don't like to support, though. Like decent pay for the soldiers, decent medical care after they get their stupid asses shot and aren't patriotic enough to go ahead and die, education benefits that might hinder reinlistments....You know, all the stuff the blowhard boviators are always bitching about.

Buncha fucking socialists, those military leaches.

As a Cav Scout, I will stand my ground and defend AXE's right to be a freedom freeloader and to say what ever makes her feel better about herself.

There is a saying that goes:
We the willing,
led by the unknowing,
are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.
We have done so much,
with so little,
for so long,
we are now capable to do anything,
with nothing.

I myself have never equated the military to socialism. I have however said that the military is a caricature of the biggest union company on earth.

LIB_GI,

Can you state ANYTHING about the military that is not patently socialist? Anything?

Do you even know what the word socialist means?

I thought not.

Oh, and the Base Exchange doesn't count. They are non-profit by law.

What have I ever posted to make you think that I am a freeloader. I have paid more in taxes than ANY military trough-feeder except the flag officer class.

I've never received anything in handouts except some free medical care as a military brat and a decent public school education (before the 1970's and the Rtard party's war on education fucked that up.)

Thx for this post, Spud.
[this is good]

^^^Well, let's see...

I don't have any rights to, or partial ownership of, any of the equipment we use. Those things belong to the military lock, stock and barrel.

There is a strict control of our earning potential that is incrementally increased with rank and without regard to our personal needs...a salary equal to our responsibilities and time in service, if you will.

The various occupational specialties are restricted by our individual performance and intelligence. Not everyone can become an Intel Specialist, Weapon Systems Technician or Cav Scout. You have to qualify and complete the required training to be awarded such positions.

The military provides us with health care upon enlistment and housing while away from home. Those are benefits calculated into our overall cost of employment, the same way most medium to large capitalist companies do.

I suppose I could come up with more if I gave it some thought.

Oh, and please don't confuse the run of the mill freeloader with the more smug and misguided freedom freeloader. If I mistook vibe of your post to be in alignment with someone who foolishly believes that our freedom is a gift from Congress versus a gift from those of us who fought and died for it, I genuinely apologize. I'm sure you would want someone guarding that wall, wouldn't you?

Thx for this post, Spud.
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#13 | Posted by Browncoat

Is Spud's pleasure.

Thanx be to the blog-pope fer greenlighting the thread to front page status and even more importantly fer fixing the typo in the headline which was driving Spud bazonk.

While Spud has nothing but sympathy for servicemen and women who end up with PTSD after a tour Spud questions the mindset that suggests that these individuals are best suited to recruit new talent into the ranks.

Seriously, that's like making Tweek from South Park the national spokesman for Starbucks.

Of course, with the economy swirling around the bowl and getting ready to hit the sewers the armed services will no doubt see their recruitment troubles lessen.

And so it goes.

Be Well.

freedom freeloader

There's more than one way to skin a cat and more than one way to fight for freedom.

Blogging, as silly as it may get from time to time, is one of those ways.

Not comparable in risks taken, certainly, but in terms of overall goals the comparison is apt.

Be Well.

I'll give you that Spud.
If you engage an oppressor in any form, you are fighting for your freedom.
However, if you do not engage an oppressor but rather, belittle and protest, you fight for nothing.
This website has both I think.
Some argue the merits of their beliefs and support the people who act on their behalf.
Others just call names, place blame and utter mean hearted blather to distract from their inabilities as a force for change. They're much like kids sitting around the grown-up table and trying to add to the conversation in their own, cute and immature way...somewhat entertaining but, not very helpful.

Some argue the merits of their beliefs and support the people who act on their behalf. Others just call names, place blame and utter mean hearted blather to distract from their inabilities as a force for change.

~Libertarian GI

There are real bloggas and then there are trolls.

People sometimes speak about the "court of public opinion".

Blogworld is very much that court.

Actually it's more like a gladitorial arena or a field of battle where memes compete in a life or death struggle fer ascendency within a given culture.

Some people get this truth a lot better than others, certainly.

The wheat to chaff ratio around this place varies wildly from day to day, even hour to hour, depending on who's posting but in the main the Drudge Retort is still one of the most free forums available fer debate in all of blogworld.

While that freedom does tend to attract some of the worst elements it also allows a degree of expression that one would be hard pressed to find anywhere else and that attracts some real talent.

Be Well.

Agreed.

This 'lib' served his country proudly for 5 years (honorably discharged) and I can tell you that while there are some dirtbags in the service (like in ANY environment) we were hardly 'freeloaders'.

In the 5 years I was in, I spent almost half of that away from homeport and most of that was at sea.

While at sea, it's a 7 day work week 7am - 6pm and on top of that, I was a Sonar Tech so I also had at least two 4 hour watches throughout the day. Some days I'd get off the midwatch (12am-4am), hit my rack until 6am. Go to work all day and then be back on watch from 8pm-12am and that was ONLY if all the equipment was 100% and didn't need any additional service.

The long hours made many people I knew look much older than they really were. I never saw so many people in their late 20's with graying hair.

No, I'm not complaining. It was a great time in my life and allowed me to get a job immediately after the navy that took me from E-5 pay (16K) in 1998 to making more than the Chief Of Naval Operations overnight. All I'm saying is that I would hardly describe my fellow shipmates as 'Freeloaders'.

100% on that, CS.

The freeloader thing kind of bugs me, too. Although as you say there were some dirtbags as there are in any segment of society, we all worked together as a team to get things done. Maybe it was more for ourselves than the USN at times, but we all made it happen.

As you, I would not trade those 6 years of my life for anything. I got a good education which has carried me quite well through life -- a lot better than most college grads, I think. I met people who became closer to family members than just 'friends', a couple of whom I still keep up with 28 years after my discharge.

You who never had the privilege of serving your country in the armed forces (I'm partial to the Navy, obviously) have missed an opportunity that cannot be aptly described nor duplicated in any other environment. I think those who belittle the active duty have a bad case of sour grapes.

maybe they should have considered a carreer that isnt devoted to mass murder for corporate amerika, while picking the pockets of the taxpayer.

Heres hoping they all put one through the roof of their mouths.

Worthless human shit.

Why don't you just say something bad about our mothers........? Thanks for your service guys. I've got 22 years of time in - mostly Guard with some active duty tours including Iraq in 03-04 and an upcoming vacation in Afghanistan.

The recruiting gig is tough anyway, even in the best of times. You really have to be into sales to make it work, and a lot of guys aren't. Funny, I would have thought a repub stronghold like Houston would be easy pickin's. Looks like a lot of good ole boy Texans are just real happy to have others do the fighting for them. My brother in law was a recruiter in Mass, absolutely not the most conservative part of the country but he made mission.

maybe they should have considered a carreer that isnt devoted to mass murder for corporate amerika, while picking the pockets of the taxpayer.

Hey, shitmboy -- maybe you whould at least learn to spell the name of the country you live in and these guys defend for you before accusing them of picking the taxpayer's pockets.

BTW, I never was involved in a mass murder while in the Navy and my son, who was discharged last year after 5 years in the Army was never involved in a mass murder.

What an ignorant pos.

I wouldn't waste your breath goatman, he's just trying to get your "goat". Being a partisan liberal or conservative is one thing, but gosh darn it some people are just downright mean.

maybe they should have considered a carreer that isnt devoted to mass murder for corporate amerika, while picking the pockets of the taxpayer.

Heres hoping they all put one through the roof of their mouths.

Worthless human shit.

#22 | Posted by gitmboy at 2009-01-05 08:29 AM | Reply | Flag:

First off, take a deep breath and relax.

These people in the article are NOT policy makers. They didn't join to 'murder for Corporate America'. They joined for a variety of reasons but I never heard anyone say they wanted to kill for corporations. Almost all would give you standard line of "I wanted to serve my country" while many would tell you that they wanted to see the world while others will tell you they had no other options in the small towns (or big cities) they were from.

Either way, these people you call 'wothless human shit' are the same people who will defend this country with their lives. No, I'm not talking Shrubs retarded Sandbox adventure, but in the even of an attack, these are the people who fight back.......and all for the HUGE paycheck that leaves many junior enlisted with families living at or below the poverty line.

I have to say that it would be horrible to be a recruiter today. How could you lie to some dumb 18 year old just to meet your quota knowing they may get killed or maimed?

Specially the recruiters who have been to Iraq. They have seen where they are sending these kids. Too much stress on the soul and not enough command support leads to bad outcomes.

God Bless to all our Fallen GI's and my prayers to your families.

These kids aren't dumb. They are probably collectively the sharpest that I have seen in a long time.

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