Soldiers die in wars?

Shhhh... don't tell Mctoast-he claimed victory (or was that ANOTHER Mission Accomplished) in afghanistan years ago.

Why is it Republicans can't ever win wars?

Why is it Republicans can't ever win wars?

How many have Canada won?

Why is it Republicans can't ever win wars?

I think Ike had a big part in winning WW 2. (see Dday)

In fact, most military members are republicans (I read it on the DR, so it must be true) so it would seem that republicans do indeed win wars.

"Ever since I have first heard my name connected with possible political office, I have consistently declined to consider such a contingency. I am a soldier, I belong to the Army, and the Army is truly national. It lives to serve the nation and nobody else, no party, no special group." - Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower [1948]

Unfortunately, the DR generally disagrees with the good General/President Eisenhower.

How can this be?

Voting polls do too, unfortunately. I would like to think that the liberals would be as interested in serving their country as conservatives, but voting stats don't indicate that.

I would like to think that the liberals would be as interested in serving their country as conservatives, but voting stats don't indicate that.

#6 | Posted by Non-Partisan Goatman at 2009-01-01 01:36 PM | Reply | Flag: Non-Partisan

Thanks, null. As I said yesterday, you have been too easy to catch. But here's a suggestion: If you don't want to appear to be trolling, don't make me the object of your first post of the day. Just a suggestion.

But for now, I'm throwing you back hoping you'll grow up. It's no challenge catching minnows.

'till another day . . . (probably tomorrow)

*SPLASH!*

I would like to think that the liberals would be as interested in serving their country as conservatives, but voting stats don't indicate that.

Facts really bug you don't they, my little fishy? LOL

#8 | Posted by goatman at 2009-01-01 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag: Takes the bait everytime

8 | Posted by goatman at 2009-01-01 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag: Takes the bait everytime,

8 | Posted by goatman at 2009-01-01 01:47 PM | Reply | Flag: copies goatman's response everytime due to lack of originality

You're too easy! Back in the water you go.

*SPLASH!*

Indeed.

Hans

#10 | Posted by Hans at 2009-01-01 01:56 PM

Indeed. A shame that the majority of the real world didn't agree with these fine gentlemen. I do.

Why is it Republicans can't ever win wars?

~NG3#

How many have Canada won?

~Crispeecritter

Better question how many have Canada lost?

Zip.

The US? Well, Vietnam certainly doesn't go in the WIN column.

Korea was kind of a tie.

Both Iraq and Afghanistan are not looking good.

Fleeing Beirut and Somalia isn't technically a loss but they don't look particularily good on yer
permanent record.

See Also: Had yer White House burned down by British/Canadian troops in 1812.

It's no challenge catching minnows.

Trolling again, Gloatboy?

Bragging about yer trolling?

And then complaining that other people are trolling?

Wow, hypocritical much?

Be Well.

Korea was kind of a tie.

It was kind of a UN, not US action, too.

Trolling again, Gloatboy?

Struggling with history again, deth?

Better question how many have Canada lost

Better question if you are from a meaningless country, for sure.

Does the Olympic medalist consider no medals superior to many golds? I think not.

Trolling again, Gloatboy?

Bragging about yer trolling?"

Par for the course for Non-Partisan Goatman.

Goat- Nixon surrendering in VN, Reagan surrendering in beirut, Bush1 losing his nerve in Iraq and Bush2 losing both his wars.

Wilson, FDR, Clinton- 4-0. And against real enemies, not guys in skirts riding camels....

Goat- Nixon surrendering in VN, Reagan surrendering in beirut, Bush1 losing his nerve in Iraq and Bush2 losing both his wars.

hmmm. The post I was referring to specifically said republicans -- not presidents. Are we reading the same stuff?

Goat- I do believe the above-mentioned losers were all Republican heroes. If you're trying to diminish the role and responsibility of Commander-in-Chief and Sec. Defense to that of a cook or jeep mechanic, then I guess you've got me there.

"The post I was referring to specifically said republicans -- not presidents."

Then why did you credit Ike with D-day when---based on votes of the time---Democrats were obviously the majority of the fighters?

Spud, I have to get into this one.

See Also: Had yer White House burned down by British/Canadian troops in 1812.

So what? We are still the most powerful military nation on earth. Period. That isnt up for discussion...

Here is the link without that last comma...

Spud,

Some facts on the burning of the White House..

The British commanders ate the supper which had been prepared for the president before they burned the Presidential Mansion; American morale was reduced to an all-time low. The British viewed their actions as retaliation for destructive American raids into Canada, most notably the Americans' burning of York (now Toronto) in 1813.

Interesting...

Boaz, what are you trying to say?

For being the most powerful military nation on earth, and having so much difficulty in handling our conflicts, it would suggest our education both militarily and strategically lacks big time.

I guess that's how you made it to officer.

" I would like to think that the liberals would be as interested in serving their country as conservatives"

Liberals (Kennedy, Kerry, etc.) fight and die.
Conservatives get pimples on their ass and cocaine in their nose.

Conservatives get pimples on their ass and cocaine in their nose.

I don't know about the pimples on their ass (I'll take your superior knowledge on that as fact) but I don't think Obama, considering his admission to using coke, is a conservative for it, is he?

Look up "Rush Limbaugh" your fucking hero.

For being the most powerful military nation on earth, and having so much difficulty in handling our conflicts, it would suggest our education both militarily and strategically lacks big time.

I think we have handled the last few wars right nicely. Iraq could have been avoided, I think, I bet bush would not invade if he had hindsight.

I guess that's how you made it to officer.

Why are you getting personal, money? I was talking about countries. It's comments like that which makes simple conversation on this site unpleasant.

Boaz-
re: "I think we have handled the last few wars right nicely. Iraq could have been avoided, I think, I bet bush would not invade if he had hindsight."

Which ones?

Oh, and BTW, Bush has said he would invade Iraq all over again - with the luxury of hindsight.

"I bet bush would not invade if he had hindsight"

You mean the hindsight to know the American people would finally figure out he was a lying sack of shit? That kind of hindsight? And what about not taking Sadaam out in '91? That was a purely political, not military, decision. And thousands of Shias died afterward. More blood on the hands of the house of Bush.

And what about not taking Sadaam out in '91?

Depends on what you mean by "taking out". The U.N. mandate only let us liberate Kuwait. But maybe assasinating Sadaam, I will admit, was a missed opportunity.

The U.N. mandate only let us liberate Kuwait.

LOL. Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!

Which ones?

I think the afghan campaign has gone well. This recent surge of violence will be put down soon. It just takes time for govts to take root, plus the sheer size of afghan is overwhelming.

Somolia(sp?) didnt go well as we just didnt have the heart to be there.

"The U.N. mandate only let us liberate Kuwait."

Fog of war, brudda.

How do you measure victory, Boaz? Would you say WWII was a victory if the Nazi Party was running Germany today? Contrast and compare with Taliban in Afghanistan.

I think the afghan campaign has gone well.

Really? You in no way think that Bush's adventure in Iraq turned success into failure in Afghanistan?

Boaz-
So, by the "last few wars" you mean Afghanistan?

Depends on what you mean by "taking out". The U.N. mandate only let us liberate Kuwait. But maybe assasinating Sadaam, I will admit, was a missed opportunity.

Posted by boaz at 2009-01-01 08:25 PM | Reply

And here I thought the Right Wingers didn't give a shit about the UN. Imagine that. (ROLLS EYES)

Larry

You in no way think that Bush's adventure in Iraq turned success into failure in Afghanistan?

We took our eye off the ball. The afghan police ARE NOT ready. Afghanistan neeeds more help.

Would you say WWII was a victory if the Nazi Party was running Germany today? Contrast and compare with Taliban in Afghanistan.

I saw where the taliban and controlling the outposts. My next year is going to be interesting. No, I would not consider it a victory. But we are taking baby steps in afghan and Iraq. It looks like it might be working in Iraq though. Do you guys think the surge and invasion was worth it for Iraq?

And here I thought the Right Wingers didn't give a shit about the UN.

Most dont larry, the U.N. is a useless organization. But Bush 41 didnt go over his mandate and alot of people assume we just let Sadaam go...

"So what? We are still the most powerful military nation on earth. Period. That isnt up for discussion..."

At one time so was Rome.

Then so was Spain.

Then so was England.

Funny thing about being "most powerful" anything: The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.

Hans

Hans..

Agreed..

"We took our eye off the ball."

No. Bush did. The American people understood and were fully behind the war in Afghanistan. The Iraq war had to be sold to them with cynical jingoism, patriotic browbeating, and lies.

Good luck to you in Iraq (I do mean that). I have friends (again) and countrymen there, and Afghanistan as well.

Good luck to you in Iraq (I do mean that)

Thanks, I am going back to afghan. Looking forward to it actually...

"But Bush 41 didnt go over his mandate and alot of people assume we just let Sadaam go..."

Do you guys think the surge and invasion was worth it for Iraq?

The invasion was unnecessary, and was predicated on lies. If by "for Iraq" you mean for Iraq, most of the hundred+ thousand dead and the multiple millions displaced in that wrecked country would probably say no.

most of the hundred+ thousand dead and the multiple millions displaced in that wrecked country would probably say no.

I would suggest the majority of the country would say yes, but then again, I have been wrong before :)..

Good night ladies and Gentlemen...

Boaz-
I misread your post. Good luck in Afghanistan. It curdles my soul to see the loss of what should have been success there.

Thanks Betelg...

Happy New Years...and good night.

Most dont larry, the U.N. is a useless organization. But Bush 41 didnt go over his mandate and alot of people assume we just let Sadaam go...

Posted by boaz at 2009-01-01 08:33 PM | Reply

Funny had Dubya listened to the UN like He was LEGALLY obligated to do We would have 4000+ Americans alive today plus the Countless Iraqis. But the right don't give a fuck about the UN nor the facts nor really about their own Countrymen/Women. It's all about faux pride and "Herosism" That's it in a nutshell.

Larry

"Do you guys think the surge and invasion was worth it for Iraq?"

That is a purposefully disingenuous statement.

The invasion was first. And it wasn't worth sh*t. We attacked a country which had nothing to do with us, our security, or 9/11.

Do you guys think the surge and invasion was worth it for Iraq?

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2009-01-01 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Fuck No it wasn't worth it. You don't have to be a genius to grasp that. Unless of course You have been brainwashed to believe otherwise then it makes no difference what anyone says to the brainwashed. Iraq were big losers in Dubya's illegal invasion of Iraq. They lost tons of Countrymen/Women Also displaced Countless Millions. Not to mention turned a once thriving Secular Country into a theocracy where Women went from Equals to pond scum. Yeah it was worth it Boaz...................NOT

Larry

Do you guys think the surge and invasion was worth it for Iraq?

#40 | Posted by boaz at 2009-01-01 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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If a person has to ask if it was worth it then apparently it wasn't worth it because if it was worth it it would be self evident. Evidently it wasn't because so many of Our and their Countryfolk say no. Imagine that.

Larry

Dutton said the British contribution is "significant," as well as that of Canada, which he noted has lost more troops per capita in Afghanistan than any other nation.

Spud,

Looks like I owe you an apology about Canada. :)

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan Afghanistan's southern rim, the Taliban's spiritual birthplace and the country's most violent region, has for the last two years been the domain of British, Canadian and Dutch soldiers. That's about to change. In what amounts to an Afghan version of the surge in Iraq, the U.S. is preparing to pour at least 20,000 extra troops into the south, augmenting 12,500 NATO soldiers who have proved too few to cope with a Taliban insurgency that is fiercer than NATO leaders expected.

The surge probably won't work there either.

I think the afghan campaign has gone well.

8 years fighting guys in skirts and sandals and no sign in sight of the worlds unarguably best military beig close to victory?
We can all remember the increased nazi attacks in 1947.

" Nixon surrendering in VN," Never happened.....

"Reagan surrendering in Beirut," Never happened... He pulled out due to pressure from congress and the death toll in Beirut was caused by the left wing ambassador at the time who didn't want the Marines on guard to be armed in a civilian area.... I was there... Argue with me on that and I'll kick your ass.

"Bush1 losing his nerve in Iraq' we left because Colin Powel advised us to after the mass killings on the highway from Kuwait to Iraq.

"Bush2 losing both his wars. We lost in Iraq??? When did that happen? Is this site based in reality?? Guess not... Afghanistan is mostly under our control when we see Taliban movement we fry them up nice and crisp... You leftists just hate to win... You want to lose.

"Contrast and compare with Taliban in Afghanistan."

The Taliban do not control Afghanistan... The US Militery does...

So what? We are still the most powerful military nation on earth. Period. That isn't up for discussion...

~Boaz

Not even a question.

The US Militery does...

#59 | POSTED BY BASHTHIS

Clearly you have it all together!

Looks like I owe you an apology about Canada. :)

~Boaz

Meh, no biggie.

Unlike in the US we televise the funerals of our soldiers up here and it does kinda get on ones nerves when Canadian troops prowess is called into question. We may not have all the toys but Canadian soldiers is hardcore. Spud has some buds in the military up here. Some righteous dudes.

BTW, Thanx fer... ...most notably the Americans' burning of York (now Toronto) in 1813.

Ha! You guys burned TO down.

This amuses Spud to no end.

/It's a west coast thang.
//Toronto sucks ass.

Be Well.

The Taliban do not control Afghanistan... The US Military does...

Ummm, actually Karzei's writ ends about a stones throw outside of Kabul. The Western military in Afghanistan currently controls the capitol and the pipeline projects.

And that's about it.

The Taliban must be negotiated with or they can be no lasting peace in Afghanistan.

Sad but true.

Be Well.

Well one thing we can be certain of..... With Hillary on Obama's team we will never Kill Bin Laden.... In Sandy Burgers' words..... " We have no actionable Intelligence"

Probably send hime flowers and a card to a Whitehouse invite... Why not? Arafat is dead... The clintons like to party with the terror Elite... Only the cream of the crop for them... I am sure they will train Obama well.

Bash-
re: Well one thing we can be certain of..... With Hillary on Obama's team we will never Kill Bin Laden....

Bin Laden who? Wasn't he in Iraq, or something?

"Ummm, actually Karzei's writ ends about a stones throw outside of Kabul"

Spud... You read one left wingnut anti American article that claims the Taliban is 30 miles outside of Kabul and you surrender... What an asshole... You know what Spud... They got just what they wanted out of you...

They called the press... When the photog got there they waved their guns around.... And idiots like you throw up their hands and go OH See we lost lets give up....

In reality, After the Photog left they went and hid out before the Americans came and blew them to holy kingdom come. They don't control shit...

That is another bad habit you have.. When the enemy tells you they control the situation you tend to believe them... In fact you tend to believe everything they say...

The political agent said that growing lawlessness in the tribal agency had ended the role of tribal elders, who found themselves unable to cope with the heavily-armed anti-social elements. "This operation will go a long way in restoring the real tribal system in these areas," Tariq said.

See spud... It's like this... The taliban does not win the hearts and minds of the people... They show up and wave guns around and kill people and the locals fall in line or die.... Once the taliban is gone the people return to their age old ways... They don't want the Taliban to rule their lives... You do....

Bash-
re: The taliban does not win the hearts and minds of the people... They show up and wave guns around and kill people and the locals fall in line or die....

Food for thought, Bash.

"When asked how they feel about President-elect Barack Obama as commander in chief, six out of 10 active-duty service members say they are uncertain or pessimistic, according to a Military Times survey.

In follow-up interviews, respondents expressed concerns about Obama's lack of military service and experience leading men and women in uniform.

"Being that the Marine Corps can be sent anywhere in the world with the snap of his fingers, nobody has confidence in this guy as commander in chief," said one lance corporal who asked not to be identified."

Dear food for thought...

That is exactly why they will never win. Afghans don't like the life style. They want blond hair blue eyes 34 double D's now... They read playboy... They drink Bud... The Taliban is so Yesterday....

"nobody has confidence in this guy as commander in chief," said one lance corporal"

Nobody?!? The corporal should try to get to know those other 4 in 10 troops.

You would have to be a fucking retard to have any confidence in Chimpus Minimus. Does anybody remember these famous words from the sodden simpleton?

Terrorists need places to hide, to plot, and to train, so we're holding their allies, the allies of terror to account. (Applause.) Working with a fine coalition, our military went to Afghanistan, destroyed the training camps of al Qaeda, and put the Taliban out of business forever.

That is another bad habit you have.. When the enemy tells you they control the situation you tend to believe them... In fact you tend to believe everything they say...

"When the enemy tells you"?

WTF?!

You think Spud has long in-depth conversations with members of the Taliban or sommat?

You think THAT'S wot Spud is base his assessment on?

Do you even know why the Soviets failed in Afghanistan?

Why America failed in Vietnam?

Obviously you don't so here's a clue, chucklehead, now listen up...

YOU CAN'T WIN OUT AGAINST A HOME GROWN INSURGENCY

Sorry fer yelling. Spud assumed based on yer previous posts that you may be a little deaf as well as dumb.

They live there.

You do not.

They just have to keep on hating and breeding and they will eventually grind you down.

They've done so already to the Soviets and they had a much shorter supply line than the US does.

Unless you want to start eradicating the population wholesale and replacing them with people from Western cultures you can't win. Btw, if you tried that approach even the most powerful military nation on earth would have unresolvable difficulties getting away with that level of slaughter which, of course, brings ya back to Spud's original point.

Here's another clue.

Democracy is not a vaccine that you can inject into a country like a flu shot.

It has to come from within, like a naturally formed seed.

You can water the seed, keep the bugs from killing it and make sure it gets plenty of sun but w/o the seed itself to start with you got bupkas.

They don't want the Taliban to rule their lives... You do....

No, They don't want a foreign army to occupy their land by force ferever and they are more and more inclined to join up with or at least sympathise with the Taliban the longer you stay there.

In terms of "wanting" the Taliban to rule in Afghanistan wot part of "sad but true" do you somehow FAIL to get?

If you can't argue intelligently at least argue honestly.

Be Well.

Food for thought, Bash.

#68 | Posted by BetelG

Bash's irony meter is currently at the repair shop.

Is Spud's theroy.

Be Well.

theory, obviously.

/Ha! Spud's Second rule of Blogworld is in full effect.

Be Well.

That is exactly why they will never win. Afghans don't like the life style. They want blond hair blue eyes 34 double D's now... They read playboy... They drink Bud... The Taliban is so Yesterday....

#70 | Posted by bashthis at 2009-01-01 11:43 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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You just hate the fact that the insurgency is in its death throes, the civil war is yesterday's news already, the new iraq governemnt should be up-n-running in 6-8 weeks and our soldiers are on the brink of coming home.
Posted by lokisfur at 2006-04-27 04:03 PM

"When asked how they feel about President-elect Barack Obama as commander in chief, six out of 10 active-duty service members say they are uncertain or pessimistic, according to a Military Times survey.

Or, if you prefer:

"When asked how they feel about President-elect Barack Obama as commander in chief, nearly 7 out of 10 active-duty service members say they are optimistic or uncertain, according to a Military Times survey. Only 25% said they were pessimistic, less than the general public that feels Bush is doing a satisfactory job as President."

Uncertain 35%
Optimistic 32%
Pessimistic 25%
No Opinion 8%

(Yes, I downloaded the actual data)

The second quoted line is my own, of course.

How many have Canada won?

#3 | Posted by crispee_oc

They still haven't got rid of the english or french rule over them yet. They are still a colony.

"They are still a colony."

Link?

US forces defeated the Taliban in Afgan... NATO let them back in. Now after victory in Iraq US forces must return to Afgan to clean up the mess created by NATO.

How is it that you know sooooooooooooo much about what the Afghanis want Spud?

"YOU CAN'T WIN OUT AGAINST A HOME GROWN INSURGENCY
Sorry fer yelling. Spud assumed based on yer previous posts that you may be a little deaf as well as dumb.
They live there.
You do not.
They just have to keep on hating and breeding and they will eventually grind you down.
They've done so already to the Soviets and they had a much shorter supply line than the US does.
Unless you want to start eradicating the population wholesale and replacing them with people from Western cultures you can't win.

All knowing and all seeing Spud... What a load of crap...

The CIA Supplied Afghanis Defeated the Russians SPUD...

The Russians were pushing a far different product than we are...

They want our product spud... They didn't want the Russian product...

They came out and Voted for the first time and they liked it!

You make it sound as though the Majority of people in Afghanistan are Taliban... You're a Doomsday wisher Spud...

You said we would lose in Iraq too... Just like Bush said... It would be a long fight. It would be a hard fight. It would cost lives. But we won the damn war SPUD... WE didn't lose like you keep saying we did... Like you preyed we would....

You have been here every day for years spewing crap.... You're just another Blow Hard.

As usual it's your view against someone else's. And, You're never wrong.

The CIA Supplied Afghanis Defeated the Russians SPUD...

And the people that they supplied that money weapons and training to went on to become Bin Laden & Al Quaeda and the Taliban.

Now you know the rest of the story.

They want our product spud... They didn't want the Russian product...

Cos having an American boot on yer throat is a much preferred option to having a Russian boot pinning you to the ground?

They came out and Voted for the first time and they liked it!

Wow, the koolaid runs deep with this one.

You said we would lose in Iraq too... Just like Bush said... It would be a long fight. It would be a hard fight. It would cost lives. But we won the damn war SPUD... WE didn't lose like you keep saying we did... Like you preyed we would....

Western based Big Oilcos and Osama Bin Laden & his ilk are the only winners in Iraq.

The big losers are the American people, the American economy, the Iraqi people, America's reputation, Global security and, of course, all the dead, the tortured and the maimed-fer-life survivors.

Plus the 4 million refugees who will create a multi generational hatred of the US in that part of the world that will be, sadly, justified.

Wot do you think you've won in Iraq, precisely?

The war?

Clue to Bash.

The most powerful military in the world going into Iraq after bombing the shit out of the place is not a "War". It's a shit-kicking. It's the act of a coward and a bully.

You equate staying in Iraq ferever as "winning" you couldn't be more wrong.

Just as you couldn't be more wrong about Spud "preying" (sic) that the "war" would be lost.

Noting that you can't win out over a long term commited insurgency (As Israel may one day figure out) is not the same thing as wishing a conflict goes badly against one side or another. Winning the "war" was never in doubt, dumbass, America has failed to win the peace to date and a lot of that comes down to BushCo deliberately allowing Iraq to descend into chaos to create a scenario whereby they could throw up their hands and exclaim "We Can't Leave Yet!" (TM)

Yer simple minded assessment of the situation informed as it is by RT sound bites has no basis in reality wotsoever.

Be Well.

"Wot do you think you've won in Iraq, precisely?"

The people now have the right to vote in legitimate elections... We changed the situation from a dictatorship to a democracy.... No matter how many car bombs you read about in the news, the people know they can vote. And the Middle East Oil Nations will Continue to produce Oil for the Planet unmolested.

"Western based Big Oilcos and Osama Bin Laden & his ilk are the only winners in Iraq."

Again, You are stating things that are not true... Osama Bin Laden can't take a walk down the street for fear of beeing killed. He has to hide all day in a mud walled fortress in Pakistan or in an apartment in a city there. Cant go outside, Cant make a phone call. He is effectivly dead. I have seen the stupid videos depicting him as the Islamic Hero walking in the mountains Holding his AK-47.... Watch closely as his eyes Nervously scan the sky..... Because he knows that the AK-47 he is holding won't do him a bit of good in the real world... bacause out of the sky comes Death Spud... He knows it too. He has gained three meals a day and a closet to hide in... That is what Mr. Bin Laden has gained.

The OilCo's The OilCo's The OilCo's... Where is all the Oil we stole from Iraq? The OilCo's havn't gotten any oil out of Iraq. You make it sound like Exxon has backed a truck up to the pipe and claimed everything that comes out of the end of it as theirs... Iraq owns it's oil. Not the US. The same companies have been doing business in Iraq for years. Not much has changed as far as the Oil.

"Osama Bin Laden & his ilk are the only winners in Iraq."

What did they win? Again In Reality, Most of them are dead. Terrorist bombings are way, way, way down in Iraq Spud... This is not 2006, it is 2009.

America will be in the Middle East for years Spud... We have to be as long as THE WHOLE WORLD has an Oil Based Economy.... If we didn't park it in Iraq, we would simply park somewhere else. The Government of Iraq seems Ok with it Most of the People in Iraq seem OK with it, You and your kind seem to have the issue... The only people getting boots in their teeth are the Terrorists.

"You equate staying in Iraq ferever as "winning" you couldn't be more wrong"

The US Forces staying in Iraq for an extended amount of time actually has little to do with the war in Iraq Spud... We have had Troops in Europe for 60 Years Troops in Japan for 60 Years.. Troops in Korea for 50 Years. As long as we are there, The Middle East will continue to produce Oil. Everyone will have access to it at a fair price.

If you don't like the way it is maybe you should hang yourself.. Things will never change Spud... The Rothschild and Rockefeller Families have been running most of the banks and large OIL corporations on the planet for the last HUNDRED YEARS. That is the system SPUD... BUSH didn't invent it.