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Wednesday, December 31, 2008

Chris Hedges: Can anyone who is following the Israeli air attacks on Gaza -- the buildings blown to rubble, the children killed on their way to school, the long rows of mutilated corpses, the wailing mothers and wives, the crowds of terrified Palestinians not knowing where to flee, the hospitals so overburdened and out of supplies they cannot treat the wounded, and our studied, callous indifference to this widespread human suffering -- wonder why we are hated?

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I wonder why anyone still lives in Gaza.

You know, it sounds like he is telling what it looks like after a suicide bomber does his thing in a shopping center or cafe. I guess you libs don't remember that stuff.

You know, it sounds like he is telling what it looks like after a suicide bomber does his thing in a shopping center or cafe. I guess you libs don't remember that stuff.

We're all too busy tracking down Clinton's prison records, Snippy.

So you now say Israel's military and suicide bombers are equal? fair enough.

The point is that hamas was becoming more isolated from the arab world and less popular with the palestinians due to its refusal to go along with the arab sponsored peace meetings. Now, after lobbing a couple of rockets into the desert, it's "heroically" standing up to the zionist oppressor, while abba the unelected is singing his paymasters' song and Isreal is going into its election with all parties trying to prove who has the bigger balls.

Win/win for Hamas and the Israeli hawks. You'd almost think they had this worked out in advance...

If Hedges' hypothesis is correct, why didn't the brutal bombing of Japan in WWII create more and more kamikazes?

Maybe they should start killing off the second generation of terrorists NOW instead on 10 years from now

What did six months of ceasefire get Hamas? Food? Medicine? Border crossings? Halt to settlements? Anything at all?

At 'peace', Israel is free to continue economic genocide. Not fighting isn't going to accomplish anything, is it?

"why didn't the brutal bombing of Japan in WWII create more and more kamikazes?"

How do you know it didn't?

The number of kamikaze attacks appears to have been limited by (a) the number of available aircraft, (b) the number of trained pilots, and (c) the tactics of the Japanese high command. Several thousand planes were ready to go in response to a direct invasion of the homeland islands.

If Hedges' hypothesis is correct, why didn't the brutal bombing of Japan in WWII create more and more kamikazes?

#4 | Posted by jestgettinalong
A lack of aircraft and trained pilots?
There were millions of japanese men, women and children ready to fight to the death if Japan had been invaded, using anything they could get thier hands on, including pitchforks. maybe someday you righties will study some history that begins before Dubya singlehandedly prevented 9-11 by flying AF-1 off a carrier....

Yes, poor TERRORIST Hamas victimized again. WTF? As if they aren't already producing the next generation of terrorists & this is the one & only cause of their "suffering". Israel is only guilty of being more efficient at killing, not more willing & they shouldn't apologize for that because Hamas sure as hell won't. Loss of life is regrettable but necessary to win and more dead Palestinian babies is good for Hamas because it makes the "innocent victim" claim look like more than just bullshit & Israel can't win with most anyway so F-It. May as well play to win or don't play.

I think it is generally accepted that the only reason the Japanese surrendered is because the Emperor who is divine told them to.

**** If Hedges' hypothesis is correct, why didn't the brutal bombing of Japan in WWII create more and more kamikazes?
.....#4 | Posted by jestgettinalong *****

........it did........but they ran out of planes....

....the sight of wannabe kamakazi pilots, arms spread as if flying, swimming face first into the side of Allied warships, was a bizarre facet of the "forgotten" portions of WW2......

A family that loses a child in an airstrike does not forget. All who endure humiliation, abuse and the murder of family members do not forget. This rage becomes a virus within those who, eventually, stumble out into the daylight. Is it any wonder that 71 percent of children interviewed at a school in Gaza recently said they wanted to be a "martyr"?

The Israelis in Gaza, like the American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan, are foolishly breeding the next generation of militants and Islamic radicals. Jihadists, enraged by the injustices done by Israel and the United States, seek to carry out reciprocal acts of savagery, even at the cost of their own lives. The violence unleashed on Palestinian children will, one day, be the violence unleashed on Israeli children. This is the tragedy of Gaza. This is the tragedy of Israel.

At least Hedges acknowledged in a single line that firing rockets was illegal as well under the Geneva Conention. Of course the skewed article also seems to imply this is all a recent phenomenom and as usual ignores history.

I think it is generally accepted that the only reason the Japanese surrendered is because the Emperor who is divine told them to.
#10 | Posted by slaryman

And even though the US demanded Japan's "unconditional surrender as late as the July 1945 Potsdam meeting, when the Japanese communicated the Emperor's interest in surrendering one ting was made clear: The Emperor would remain Emperor.

I think it is generally accepted that the only reason the Japanese surrendered is because the Emperor who is divine told them to.

#10 | Posted by slaryman
Or the people that understood the desturction of the bomb had a clue, that they better surrender. That is the reason proportionate response is a joke. The only way to win is to smash your enemy's will to fight. Either do that, die, or live with the crap that we see in the ME.

**** I wonder why anyone still lives in Gaza.
...#1 | Posted by the_nether *****

1......no problem with the obesity epidemic.......
2......friendly Arab states are happy to have you visit, and perhaps even apply for citizenship......
3......you like shrapnel along with the salt air....
4.......great view of fighter jets whizzing by.....
5.......friendly Hamas gunmen always hi-five you on the street......
6.......your hobby is rocketeering, and those friendly jahoodis don't mind if your rocket lands in their garden.......
7.......all the smart people have left Gaza, and now you can feel like a genius......
8.......no need to worry about going to work in the morning anymore.....
9.......the windows were blown out years ago....so the nearby bombs going off just sort of clear out the stale air.......

The only way to win is to smash your enemy's will to fight.

Got an example? (besides the French?)Didn't work against the japs, or the nazis, or the Southerners. You win when the enemy's leadership decides there's nothing left to gain or the enemy has no fighting ability left.

Good points Skizzks... and I bet the rent is cheap too!

.......forgot that one........

10- Suicide prevention line provides free truck driver training.

some of the responses are as idiotic and biased and downright anti semetic and the premise of the thread is.......

the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.

and will more spring up .......sure..in that part of the world is almost like the carnival game where you take the beater and beat the head down and it pops right back up..........

with that being said though I do agree with someone who wrote an article about this saying that it does mirror iraq in a way

that just killing all the roached that run when you turn the light on wont cure it completely, that you have to get to the source and thats
SYRIA AND IRAN.............

world war 3.........hope not, but anyone who blames israel without talking about the
ROCKETS EVERY FUCKIN DAY arent being honest about the argument...onyl biases and prejudiced.......

and while Im here I am sure someone will talk bullshit about how israel's response is harsher than needed

BULLSHIT

if I am outside you house throwing rocks at you and you throw rocks back all I will do is dodge them and keep throwing
but if I am throwing rocks at your house and you start SHOOTING AT Me...well.......all you will see are assholes and elbows.........

You win when the enemy's leadership decides there's nothing left to gain or the enemy has no fighting ability left.

#16 | Posted by northguy3 at 2008-12-31 11:29 AM

The ME has hundreds of so called leaders spread out over thousands of miles of terrain. Not sure how that can be done. Not to mention they have been warring for centuries and appear to have plenty of fight left.

Israel's timing of these Nazi like war crimes is occuring at the end of Shrub's term, with his tacid approval. As Cchris has pointed out, the hope is to draw Iran into Gaza and thereby justify an all out Israeli attack on Iran. Israel and their US NeoCon coconspirators are hell bent on destroying Iran. They used to depend on Saddam Hussein to counterbalance Iran's power, but can't anymore, for obvious reasons.

Meanwhile Obama says, "No comment". Change???????

10- Suicide prevention line provides free truck driver training.

#19 | Posted by Zap at 2008-12-31 11:37 AM |

11- Free education and schools remain open during bombing raids.

11- Free education and schools remain open during bombing raids.

That one is Israel inspired it makes targeting easier.

As Cchris has pointed out, the hope is to draw Iran into Gaza and thereby justify an all out Israeli attack on Iran.

I watched some PBS last night and one guest applied the same reasoning but from an opposite spectrum. He claimed Egypt and other border countries want Hamas destroyed and have silently condoned the Israeli attacks. They are more fearful of Iran establshing a stronghold in Gaza and Lebanon or their expanding proxies gaining more power in the regions. Seems like the Palestinians are fucked from their own side as well.

Of course the other guest cried about Hamas kills one and Israel kills a hundred...

That one is Israel inspired it makes targeting easier.

#25 | Posted by Zap at 2008-12-31 11:51 AM

Hedges does claim school children being killed on their way to school.

I just don't see what choice Israel had in responding. They are acting as any other nation would in the same circumstances.

Israel as usual is sending a message to the US.

Doesn't matter too much if they kill a few hundred starving people while they do it.

Then they will have Netanyahu back in charge who has no desire whatsoever for peace with Palestine.

And Bush, who has said so many times that he would have a Peace Settlement before he leaves office?

Busy at Crawford.

Condi Rice? Practising the piano?

Does the world EVER make progress?

Does the world EVER make progress?
#29 | Posted by sitdown

Opinion: Rarely
Suggested cause of said progress: Serendipity

Oh, I just heard that Tony Blair is on his way.

(Between engagements at his bankers)

And Bush, who has said so many times that he would have a Peace Settlement before he leaves office?

Busy at Crawford.

Condi Rice? Practising the piano?

Does the world EVER make progress?

#29 | Posted by sitdown at 2008-12-31 12:02 PM

Would you really want Bush to broker a peace settlement? Do you think he can do anything useful to help the situation in less than a month?

Who's the deranged faggot that wrote this article?

Somebody send him this link:

www.freewebs.com

"if somebody were sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, IM going to do everything in my power to stop that, and I would expect israel to do the same thing"

presidential candidate
barak obama in a town in israel

"if somebody were sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, IM going to do everything in my power to stop that, and I would expect israel to do the same thing"

presidential candidate
barak obama in a town in israel

Is there any chance that they will instead of becoming militants, become cooperative and realize that they only cause pain to everyone by attacking Israel? Peace and goodwill will after a while, do better than all of the bombing and other forms of mayhem.

"You know, it sounds like he is telling what it looks like after a suicide bomber does his thing"

Just because you would lay down and submit to an occupier who took the land your fathers, just because you wouldn't lift a finger when the orchards of your grandfathers grandfather is razed by thieves ----- doesn't mean everyone else would/should!

I sympathize with the Palestinians! If I had to choose between capitulating to the likes of you or fighting with what I had available (i.e. suicidal bombs) I would rather die than give the occupier the satisfaction.

But that's just me ------ you know, proud principled conviction!

Would you really want Bush to broker a peace settlement? Do you think he can do anything useful to help the situation in less than a month?

He could strongly call for a Cease Fire, yes.

What if we told everyone in Gaza and the West Bank they have two weeks to get out before we nuke the place. Than we fill them both with so much radiation that they're uninhabitable for the next 2000 years.

Problem solved?

red.......gaza was given to the palestinains not that long ago and they had a chance to make a nice place for them and what did they do

elected terrorists to represent them in thier government

and so what do you make of ABBAS HIMSELF blaming hamas for this???

Would you really want Bush to broker a peace settlement? Do you think he can do anything useful to help the situation in less than a month?
He could strongly call for a Cease Fire, yes.

Bush a broker of Peace?

Please, the Israeli strategy could have fallen off a Bush planning table.

"elected terrorists to represent them in thier government"

YEAH!

Except you forgot the "Democratically Elected" part!

Sincerely

GW Bush'd

Doc, NorthGuy et al, by there detailed arguments about Kamakazi's and about not being able to crush the will of "Nazi's, southerners" show that although it may breed some militants, you can complete the objective.

These retorts point to the solution of bombing the shit out of your enemy, invading them, knocking out thier ability to fight, killing off there leadership. If ""War is an act of violence to compel the enemy to fulfill our will,", then Israel is implementing the time honored path.

Who cares if it creates some more militants, if they can't fight, have no leadership, as has been retorted, I am all for it.

Just my opinion, but...

Hamas used the six month cease fire to rearm with longer range, more accurate rockets made in China and Iran.

Hamas refused to extend or renew the cease fire and stepped up rocket attacks with the newly acquired weapons striking closer to major population centers in southern Israel.

Israel chose to take the matter in hand rather than accomodating Hamas by leaving Israelis to cope and die in repeated Hamas rocket attacks.

No more walking into the "showers" like sheep.

If Hamas wants peace (which they don't) they should stop the rocket attacks. If they don't stop, they get what they get. Their lack of concern for the welfare of the Palestinians who voted them into power is obvious.

War is hell.

"Doc, NorthGuy et al, by there detailed arguments about Kamakazi's and about not being able to crush the will of "Nazi's, southerners" show that although it may breed some militants, you can complete the objective."

Uh, you're not planning on doing any driving today, are you?

Bush a broker of Peace?

Please, the Israeli strategy could have fallen off a Bush planning table.

#41 | Posted by Zap at 2008

yeah you are probably right

why dont we ask jimmy carter to come in and help since he SOLVED THIS PROBLEM YEARS AGO.

OOPS!!!!!

YEAH!

And if Reagan wasn't still dead you could ask him. Not that he could remember anyway!

www.jerusalemites.org

There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world.
Israel first became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C.E. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and Israel's First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple in Jerusalem upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous.
Then in 70 C.E. (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of its Jewish population. Many Jews left on their own because conditions for life were made unbearable in many respects... yet thousands upon thousands stayed and rebelled on for centuries in order to once again rebuild a Jewish Nation in this Holy Land.
Over 3250 years, various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital. The region was successively ruled by the Hebrews [Jews], Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, the Crusaders, Mamelukes, the Turks (who indifferently governed the backward, neglected territory from the 16th century until the British drove them out during World War I) and then once again by the Jews in 1948. None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own... EXCEPT the Jews.
It must be noted that in 636 C.E., when the Arab marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there... and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation. They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine." And remember this one fact... it was not the Jews who "usurped" the land from the Arabs. If anything, it was the Arabs in 636 C.E. who overran and stole it from the Jews.

No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948 with the rebirth of the 2nd Nation of Israel, has ever ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land. The Jewish People have one of the most legitimate Birth Certificates of any nations in the world. Every time there is an archaeological dig in Israel, it does nothing but support the fact that the Jewish People have had a presence there for well over 3,000 years. The national coins, the pottery, the cities, the ancient Hebrew texts... all support this claim. Yes, other peoples have passed through, but there is no mistaking the fact that Jews have always had a continual presence in that land for over 3,000 years. This predates and certain dwarfs any claims that other peoples in the regions may have. The ancient Philistines are extinct. Many other ancient peoples are extinct. They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Jews have.

The only way to win is to smash your enemy's will to fight.

--------

This is EXACTLY what Hitler thought as he fired rockets into London...

Also in today's world where war poison the very ground you fight for don't you think it is time to find a new way?

The notion that Israel kicking the shit out of Hamas is going to strengthen Hamas is ludicrous.

why dont we ask jimmy carter to come in and help since he SOLVED THIS PROBLEM YEARS AGO.
OOPS!!!!!

~BUSHLOVERTWO

The last I heard Jimmy Didn't get us into a war over Oil.

AND....Shrub...came away with NO OIL...But 4000 KIA...............

"I sympathize with the Palestinians! If I had to choose between capitulating to the likes of you or fighting with what I had available (i.e. suicidal bombs) I would rather die than give the occupier the satisfaction"

The land grab claim can be made by the Jews to can't it. I mean it is not like the geography is what matters here it is religion & all that goes with it. All have claim, none have it. Not the point. You cannot shoot rockets into towns & expect nothing in return. You just can't. I'm glad you have the strength of your convictions & I hope you're never in that life or death situation but if you find yourself in such a place, just be prepared to bury your children along the way.

"They do not have the unbroken line to this date that the Jews have."

Very informative history lesson for some who obviously need it. This idea that the Jews have no right to be there is BS.

Don't you think it alters the perspective on things when the theft is within living memory?

Honestly would you just roll over expose your belly like a whipped dog? Or would fight the motherfuckers with everything you had?

"Don't you think it alters the perspective on things when the theft is within living memory?

Honestly would you just roll over expose your belly like a whipped dog? Or would fight the motherfuckers with everything you had?"

Again, not the point! Perspective aside, what kind of dumb ass picks a fight they can't win over & over again? My daddy told me, "don't let your mouth write a check your ass can't cash". Words to live by my friend! Also, you use the word "theft" like it is a universal truth when history & common sense clearly show otherwise.

"Honestly would you just roll over expose your belly like a whipped dog? Or would fight the motherfuckers with everything you had?"

First of all, their land was really stolen by the UK/League of Nations, who were "administering" the land after WWI. These entities were recognized by the world as the rightful rulers of that land at the time. The Palestinians did not fight them. The UK invited the jews in as part of their classic "divide and conquer" approach to ruling foreign lands. The jews, who were being discriminated against, displaced and later exterminated, were happy to take up the offer because of their own bad situation. So the notion that the jews just decided to steal shit from other people for no other reason than they wanted to has always been untrue. They were offered the land by the people who "stole" it from the Palestinians. And in some cases jews bought land from Palestinians. Since then, Israelis have taken land but its always been immediately following Arab aggression.

By the time the Palestinians decided to "fight back", decades had passed since the League of Nations had taken over their land. They only "fought back" when the international community left and they had an overwhelming advantage against the Israelis. They still somehow managed to get their asses handed to them.

Now they are just being suicidal idiots.

Here we go again. I suppose that we should just get used to the fact that any time a country defends itself and kicks ass doing it, we'll have to hear another blowhard tell us how it's creating more terrorists.

Here's a notion. If we kill them faster than they sign up can we say it's okay to blast them at will?

Sully check out Zionism and educate yourself. At any rate it's not our problem and we should stay out of it. If I had to pick a side it would not be the Zionists which IMHO are as big a cancer on this earth as any other fascist group.

"Now they are just being suicidal idiots.

#57 | Posted by Sully"

SO true...It seems many Muslims are forever blaming someone else for their problems, never addressing their own self inflicted issues. "A new generation" of terrorists? They are already here and need no new "incentives" to recruit more...they have an endless list of grievances they can chose from ie Bosnia, the 1st Iraq war, the west's "stealing" their resources, the Crusades, The Shah, the west's decadance, anyone else's religion......

melanctonsmith is DEAD ON!!!!!

Funny how none of you islamic apologists won't even attempt to take that arguement on

Congrats!
You've all been turned into supporters of gang warfare.

The earth is all of ours whether we like it or not.
It seems more like one BIG happy prison spinning around in the galaxy.

Newsflash!
We are trapped here on this spinning ball!
We do not have the technology (or the option) to live elsewhere in the galaxy in vast numbers.
We are all stuck here until we're dead.

Thanks to religion and PHONY claims to land (based on religion) we have this nonsense perpetuating!

You're all suckers for playing along.

The people in the Middle East are crazy.
They are snake oil salesmen using religion and the "God gave us the land" rhetoric to gain your support.

You should be so proud of yourselves.

MelanctonSmith,

By your reasoning we should give the United States back to the Indians immediately and peacefully.

Once again, most here are "missing the boat". where's the analysis in the MSM and the resident geniuses here? this isn't about Hamas as much as it is Iran. No flyover remember? How does Iran fight wars? By proxy. It doesn't matter whether one hates Israel or the Palestinians or Iran or the US, this is happening and there isn't a damn thing any of us on this forum can do about it. Happy fucking new year.

Maybe if the UN goes in and takes away the rockets the fighting will stop.... The UN probably won't go in because they hate Israel... But it was a nice thought.

I believe this guy got his Pulitizer from the Propaganda Department in Iran. Hatred of Israel has been ongoing by Muslims for over a thousand years - several wars in the last few years isn't going to make any difference. Now several Muslim nations teach their little pre-school children to hate Israel through TV Cartoons and books parents read to them. When they get older the hate propagada becomes even more entrenched. This loon just pushes it onto the rest of the world. If you like hate you will like his articles, if you reject hate you disbelieve his stories.

Smarty,
He did mention launching rockets by Hamas is against the Geneva Convention.

Israel Creates Next Generation of Militants

Spot on.

Same as several NIE's that state Bush's war in Iraq has created more terrorists and made us less safe.

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