Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, December 30, 2008

Hurricane Katrina not only pulverized the Gulf Coast in 2005, it knocked the bully pulpit out from under President George W. Bush, according to two former advisers who spoke candidly about the political impact of the government's poor handling of the natural disaster. "Katrina to me was the tipping point," said Matthew Dowd, Bush's pollster and chief strategist for the 2004 presidential campaign. "The president broke his bond with the public. Once that bond was broken, he no longer had the capacity to talk to the American public. State of the Union addresses? It didn't matter. Legislative initiatives? It didn't matter. P.R.? It didn't matter. Travel? It didn't matter."

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Bush Never Recovered From Katrina


Bush never recovered from birth.

Katrina was when the nation realized that the "compassionate conservative" bullshit did, in fact, stink.

How sad that 100 comparably small catastrophes were not enough to wake americans up from their slumber, that it had to take a public and globally humiliating catastrophe to do that. How sad that Iraq alone wasn't enough to do that.

It now remains to be seen if America will recover from Bush.

If Bush thinks he had PR problems over Katrina just wait until the public and the world get a handle in coming years over the massive deception Bush and Co used in getting us into the Iraq War.

"The Prosecution of George W Bush for Murder" by Vincent Bugliosi is horoughly researched (as you'd expect from Bugliosi - a former prosecutor) and laden with irrefutable facts garnered from intelligence reports and Bush and Co's own words when matched against what can be documented they knew at the time.

If people knew the full extent of the treachery involved in dragging us into that war there'd be mobs with torches at the gates of the ranch in Crawford today calling for his head.

If Bush thinks he had PR problems over Katrina just wait until the public and the world get a handle in coming years over the massive deception Bush and Co used in getting us into the Iraq War.
#5 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

The rest of the world is already aware of all this, and the one's in our country who don't know, won't believe even when they're told.

In reality Bush heading down there immediately probably wouldn't have changed the situation on the ground. I think it still would have been a complete mess because nobody from the federal to the local government seemed to have a clue what they should be doing, but it would have looked like he cared. Maybe he did, but the impression that you got from his reactions was that he really didn't care about the people of New Orleans.

This President's ability to communicate to America both in words and actions has been amazingly bad.

Wait a minute. I thought this was Blanco's fault. Why should Bush be affected by something that wasn't even his fault? Just more white house traitors dumping on the best president this country has ever had.

I'm no fan of Bush but Louisiana has a governor and New Orleans has a mayor.

The rest of the world is already aware of all this, and the one's in our country who don't know, won't believe even when they're told.

#6 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

"I hear the Hague a callin' ... callin' 'round the bend..."

Let's see.. Who,/I> did we see managing affairs after the hurricane that hit Galveston? Oh, ya FEMA - the agency that's supposed to take over during a natural disaster.

""I hear the Hague a callin' ... callin' 'round the bend..."

#10 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY "

Never going to happen AU. I doubt the Obama administration will allow for much against the Bush Administration. Not because he has any allegiance to Bush, but to the Office itself, and because he'll too eventually be an ex-president and who knows maybe they'll be a GOP congress then.

Not saying he shouldn't be investigated, just that he likely won't be. Or if there are investigations, any charges brought forth won't be served to the upper echelon of the administration.

"you're doing a heck-of-a-job"


Epitaph for the presidency of George W Bush


"Mission Accomplished" just doesn't quite resonate.

International courts may have their own ideas about what to do. That won't be up to Obama.

In any case, the whole story of the crime that was the Iraq War will be told, and the American people will not allow Bush to be the namesake of a local elementary school in any town in the U.S.

"Oh, ya FEMA - the agency that's supposed to take over during a natural disaster.

#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY "

FEMA was an absolute disaster. But up here in NY we don't wait for the blizzards to hit before we stock up on supplies and such, we get that done well before.

FEMA was terrible after the storm, but the State of Louisiana and city of New Orleans (it's leaders and it's citizens) share the blame in not preparing for the storm.

"International courts may have their own ideas about what to do. That won't be up to Obama."

You may be right, I just see that doing more harm then good. Also the court can do whatever they want from over there, but Bush would either have to surrender himself or be arrested by the Obama Administration. I don't see either of those happening lol

FEMA was terrible after the storm, but the State of Louisiana and city of New Orleans (it's leaders and it's citizens) share the blame in not preparing for the storm.

Forget it Dad you are wasting your time spreading any blame. AU will never criticize a dem and will forever blame Bush for every ill. I bet he already has headstone which reads "Bush is responsible for my demise"


Bush Never Recovered From Katrina

Bush never recovered from birth.
~Doc


Indeed if it weren't for that silver spoon he'd be collecting trash, if he had survived Vietnam.

I don't dispute that, GREENDAD.

However, the LA National Guard and it's heavy equipment - which could have been at the breached levees in a few hours, who would otherwise have been the lead rescue and security personnel - were otherwise engaged in Iraq at the time. No one from the Federal Govt. did anything for days but fly over at 600 mph while people were on network TV pleading for water, food, and help.

That's what cronyism gets you: A former head of an Arabian Horse Association with zero experience in disaster relief and recovery? We know the rest of that story.

Since we aren't signatories to the ICC treaty, I doubt Obama will concede any jurisdiction once in office.

CRISPEE spoke too soon, eh GREENDAD?

He'll have a headstone that will read, "I will never blame Bush despite a long list of failures and tragedy well known to everyone else, but which I will never acknowledge".

"Forget it Dad you are wasting your time spreading any blame"

I'm not trying to excuse Bush in any way. This story pretty much sums up my thoughts on Bush too. After Katrina I really stopped caring about what he was saying and doing and just started looking forward to the next administration no matter who it was.

My son's bike was stolen last summer. I had seen it out on the lawn a few times while he was inside and told him repeatedly to put it in the garage, he didn't listen. I didn't excuse the little jerk who stole his bike, but I did point out to my son if he had put it in the garage he'd still have a bike (Santa brought him a new one recently and I'm pretty sure this one won't be left on the lawn).

Please note that Dowd is speaking of recovering "politically" and not "emotionally". He's referring to clout and not remorse or misgivings about destroying governmental rescue infrastructure and eating birthday cakes and playing air guitar as New Orleans drowned.


CRISPEE spoke too soon, eh GREENDAD?


He'll have a headstone that will read, "I will never blame Bush despite a long list of failures and tragedy well known to everyone else, but which I will never acknowledge".


Quite the contrary little man. Unlike your pathetic life centered around blamg Bush, I don't have time to dwell on his failures. Nor do they effect me in any way. I am to busy working and enjoying life. Something I am sure you have wasted in your unending battle to blame Bush for everything under the sun.

CRISPEE

This is a political blog. 75% of Americans think Bush is an idiot too. I'll bash him all I want when I'm on here. He's certainly given us every reason to. You think I'd be so adamant in my disdain for him if he hadn't? If you do you'd be wrong.

Your petty insults don't mean a thing. They're just ... petty. Let's hear your take on Bush. Spell it out.

I try my level best to never think of Bush when I'm not on this site. It pisses me off just to think of him.

Let's hear your take on Bush. Spell it out for us. You seem to love the guy. That's gotta make for some interesting reading if you'll spell out the reasons why you do.

It's been down hill ever since he choked on the pretzel!!!!!!!!!!!!

More Importantly, Neither has the Country. In fact, a departing swindle is in full swing. So much to steal and so little time left.


I try my level best to never think of Bush when I'm not on this site. It pisses me off just to think of him.


Let's hear your take on Bush. Spell it out for us. You seem to love the guy. That's gotta make for some interesting reading if you'll spell out the reasons why you do.

So it is my fault you have this obsession with Bush and have blamed him for every ill in the world? I love the guy because I point out your obvious partisan mindset and ignorance? Your lack of understanding that the opposite party bears responsibility automatically makes me a Bush supporter?

Who did we see managing affairs after the hurricane that hit Galveston? Oh, ya FEMA...
#11 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

That may have been what the media said but the reality was that the state and local agencies mobilized (alongside private ventures like churches, NP's, etc.) and got the ball moving days before FEMA got into town. Without these entities working to overcome the effects of Ike, FEMA would have been as impotent as they were in Katrina. FEMA itself is a mess and is the federal government (and Bush's) problem; however, if the NO and LA governments had been more prepared, Katrina wouldn't have been nearly the disaster it was.

Can you read, CRISPEE? Not too well it seems.

I don't think about Bush one second when I'm not on this blog.

Now, quit deflecting and answer my question.

Tell us why you love Bush.

BARTIMUS

It's funny we've been through devastating hurricanes for decades and never had the problems we did until cronyism resulted in a former Arabian Horse Association President with no experience heading FEMA during Katrina, and a state national guard and their heavy equipment tied up in Iraq.

Hey Bartimus do some research on "Hurricane Pam Exersize" and then say that. During the Hurricane Pam Exersize it was determined that the State and local agencies would be overwhelmed by a Category 3(I believe) Hurricane and that FEMA needed to support most of the evacuation and rescues. This happened on July of 2004 a full year before Hurricane Katrina.

Larry


Can you read, CRISPEE? Not too well it seems.


I don't think about Bush one second when I'm not on this blog.


Now, quit deflecting and answer my question.


Tell us why you love Bush.

Can you read AU? Not too well seems. You look pretty stupid asking the same question again. Because I don't agree with little snivelers like you? Obsessed with blaming Bush for your obvious shortcomings and failures, doesn't make me a Bush lover. It simply makes me thankful I am not someone like you.


CRISPEE

Insults, like calling someone a sniveler, are the last resort of someone who dances around a question rather than answering it in a honest way requiring a little thought.

Answer the question. If you don't, then you have zero room to criticize my bashing Bush, do you? Playing semantics doesn't answer the question. I've answered why I bash Bush with what I consider reasoned opinion. At least be honest enough to tell us why you think he's great.

The mayor of New Orleans refused to evacuate people. People were warned repeatedly and yet most had the ability to get out and did nothing. Survivors waited and waited for help to arrive instead of moving and getting out of that mess. When hurricanes tear up TX, when a tornado rips Arkansas, Oklahoma or Kansas, residents don't wait on help from "The Fed" they get out, clear THEIR roads with THEIR chainsaws, THEY help one another and they DO NOT sit around waiting on the federal government to SAVE THEM!

People must accept full responsibility for their lives, and not rely on the fed.

The answer is not more government. Wake up America.

It's funny we've been through devastating hurricanes for decades and never had the problems we did...
#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I could just as easily say we've never had the problems we did until a major hurricane hit an ill prepared area such as New Orleans. Don't get me wrong - FEMA did a piss poor job handling Katrina. But so did the state and local governments. Katrina was the "perfect storm" (no pun intended) of weak to zero federal support accompanied by a lack of state and local support as well. The disasterous aftereffects of Katrina were due to NO government assistance to those in New Orleans, not just FEMA. If anyone had stepped up in a timely manner - ANYONE - the Katrina response would have been much better. Just look at Texas after Ike. FEMA acted much the same way but the locals and state stepped up and were able to avert any major disasters.

"Blame for lack of preparedness has been leveled at all levels of government. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin has been criticized for not following the city's evacuation plan which called for the use of school buses to transport disadvantaged and elderly citizens out of the city. Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco was also criticized for not deploying the Louisiana National Guard sooner, although she did in fact deploy them before the hurricane hit and requested reinforcements from other states. President George W. Bush and Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff were also criticized for failures on the federal level as well as with his leadership role. FEMA chief Michael D. Brown admitted on the 1 year anniversary of landfall that "There was no plan""

and

"Under the National Response Plan, disaster planning is first and foremost a local government responsibility."

en.wikipedia.org

#36 | Posted by MelanctonSmith

Mel, Nagin did in fact order an evacuation; the problem came when people without transportation couldn't get out (mainly the elderly, sick, and poor). Nagin was supposed to mobilize the schoolbus fleet to remove these people but failed to do so, optimistically thinking that the levees would hold. Additionally, these people had nowhere to go but the shelters like the Superdome that turned out to be a royal mess, as it was not staffed by the Red Cross or Salvation Army. Additionally, the facilities were hardly adequate for the sheer # of people seeking shelter. All this shows poor plannig on the local level. Coupled with the disasterour response of the feds, the disasterous aftermath occured.

"It's funny we've been through devastating hurricanes for decades and never had the problems we did until cronyism resulted in a former Arabian Horse Association President with no experience heading FEMA during Katrina, and a state national guard and their heavy equipment tied up in Iraq.

#32 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY "

AU, to be fair though we have to admit that there have been many hurricanes, over the past 8 years many just as big or bigger than Katrina that have hit America and they were handled without problems. Hell Katrina had even hit Florida before it hit New Orleans.

The difference is states like Florida and Texas know how to handle hurricanes whereas Louisiana and specifically New Orleans being below sea level didn't know what to do.

If Barack Obama were president during Katrina, the outcome would have been exactly the same. The only difference would have been in press coverage.

But next time, we'll know better. New Orleans can't govern itself, and when the rain starts falling even their corrupt police force joins in the looting. Since the nearest Republican to the scene was in the White House, he'll do for a scapegoat, I suppose.

" Since the nearest Republican to the scene was in the White House, he'll do for a scapegoat,"

As long as you ignore life-long Republican, just-turned-Democrat-for-the-
election Ray Nagin.

Below sea level and sinking more every year. Marine archaeologists will one day scratch their heads and wonder why people built, and continued to live in a city on top of alluvion soil.

Since the nearest Republican to the scene was in the White House, he'll do for a scapegoat,

The one that waited days before even doing a flyover?

At least be honest enough to tell us why you think he's great.
#35 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-30 11:10 AM |

You are asking me to be honest? The clown who claims he is not obsessed with blaming Bush every day on every thread? How does one get through your thick head AU? By agreeing with you? Is that really what you seek? Because you act like a little fucking whiner when anyone doesn't feel the same way about your opinion. I guess that is why you have repeated the same crap over and over. Then gets upset when someone points this out.

Oh, we can't forget that we need to keep our women and children under lock and key. Remember, there were an estimated 4500 resgistered sex offenders that were "flushed out" and now dispersed all over the country.

Who's the one with the power to send every Federal resource to the area? What usually happens in the aftermath of a natural disaster? That's been done for decades in the aftermath of hurricanes?

We've had many hurricanes before Katrina even more powerful that left incredible destruction. FEMA and the National Guard were there like THAT.

Then again, the head of FEMA wasn't a crony with no experience in either running a federal agency, nor with zero experience to qualify him working with disasters on the scale FEMA is supposed to be able to handle. Unless Arabian Horses were involved, Brownie had no business in that post. But, hey! He was a friend of Bush. Good enough! What's new?

Like they couldn't have sent helicopters with water, toilet paper, and food for starters?

CRISPEE

If you're unwilling to tell us why you think Bush is a good President, then STFU about my right to state specifically why I don't.

You're a coward.

Bush never recovered from birth.

#1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Did you?

AU, you're such a partisan shill it's starting to become embarrassing. I've been through a dozen hurricanes in my life; the Feds NEVER acted as quickly as they did during Katrina. Charlie, Dennis, Andrew, Ivan--been through them all. Godalmighty--the Coast Guard airport is right next to my house. They were flying rescue missions nonstop into NO, flying over harder-hit areas in Mississippi to do so, starting the day of.

Believe the myths all you like. Here on the Gulf Coast we know who was to blame for what happened here. And what's funny is that when they come again, Barack will have AF1 fly over the area just to have retards like you pretend he's really doing something, whereas the rest of us just know we're on our own. As usual.

Please, don't ever change. You're hysterical.

"Bush Never Recovered From Katrina" #1 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

The AP reporter never recovered from their PDS either. What does Palin have to do with Katrina? Oh, I guess in their eyes it could be her fault. The liberal thought process never ceases to amaze me.

I was down there for hurricane recovery, and there was certainly a lot of blame to go around for the poor planning. Still though, it was amazing to see all of the folks moving in to help with the recovery. Iraq was not really to blame in this case. Most of the LA Guard engineers were in state at the time. The scope was just was too big for them to handle and a couple of the levee breaches happened too fast.

I got sent down again for Hurricane Gustav, which was pretty much a bust. There were thousands of troops moving into the area ahead of time. Its amazing what can happen when a President who got clobbered for a poor response, a governor from the same party, a political convention at the same time, and the party in trouble all happen at the same time.


CRISPEE


If you're unwilling to tell us why you think Bush is a good President, then STFU about my right to state specifically why I don't.


You're a coward

I'm a coward because I don't answer your question why Bush is a good President? You cry like a little girl and accuse me of stifling your right to state what you don't like? Because I point out you have repeated yourself over and over?

Please read post #49. The last sentence sums it up.

The difference is states like Florida and Texas know how to handle hurricanes whereas Louisiana and specifically New Orleans being below sea level didn't know what to do.

#39 | Posted by GreenDad

It would have been relatively OK had the levees not broken. That caused a domino effect - pumps going out, et al.

The heavy equipment that would normally been an hour or less away was in Iraq with the LA National Guard. That could have been put to use within hours after Katrina move through.

As far as FEMA and the Feds in general: What stopped anyone from dropping water, food, and other life saving essentials to all the people in the convention center and football dome? Nothing. Just a lack of mobilization of resources by the Feds. It was days before anyone responded.

Ya, it was the perfect storm. Very imperfect response. Nagin was to blame beforehand, the Feds after.

"What does Palin have to do with Katrina?"

Nothing and nobody said she did, bonehead.


I got sent down again for Hurricane Gustav, which was pretty much a bust...
#51 | Posted by deadarmadillo

Any chance you made it down for Ike? :)

As far as FEMA and the Feds in general: What stopped anyone from dropping water, food, and other life saving essentials to all the people in the convention center and football dome? Nothing. Just a lack of mobilization of resources by the Feds. It was days before anyone responded.


* * * *

They did. And it wasn't "days before anyone responded." It was two days before the evacuations started; supplies drops were heading in within hours.

They did. And it wasn't "days before anyone responded." It was two days before the evacuations started; supplies drops were heading in within hours.

#56 | Posted by rightisright

Well, that explains why there was no water or food for days at the convention center and football dome, people pleading to TV cameras for someone to send help , people dying from lack of medical attention there, right? Were my eyes fooling me, or are the streets and parking lots paved around those two evacuation sites? I didn't see a single helicopter land there for days. People sure were asking them to.

I did Katrina, Rita, and Gustav but not Ike. We were just leaving the Baton Rouge area as Ike blew past. Had a lot of rain and wind for a couple of hours as we drove north. We were afraid that since we were already in the area, that we might get sent that way as well.

I did Katrina, Rita, and Gustav but not Ike.
#58 | Posted by deadarmadillo

You missed a big one then. I evac'ed to College Station (still got hit by a Cat 1 Ike) and came back down that next Sunday. What a huge mess. Thanks to the state and local response (headed by Mayor White) and some federal assistance, Houston was able to get back on its feet fairly quickly. Galveston still has a way to go though.

Well, that explains why there was no water or food for days at the convention center and football dome...#57 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Sounds like a state and local problem to me; read why there was no food or water.

"Despite these previous periods of emergency use, as Katrina approached the city, officials had still not stockpiled enough generator fuel, food, and other supplies to handle the needs of the thousands of people seeking refuge there. According to an article in Time, "Over the years city officials have stressed that they didn't want to make it too comfortable at the Superdome since it was safer to leave the city altogether. 'It's not a hotel,' the director of emergency preparedness for St. Tammany Parish told the Times-Picayune in 1999."

and

"There was no water purification equipment on site, no chemical toilets, no antibiotics and no anti-diarrheals stored for a crisis. There were no designated medical staff at work in the evacuation center. There was no established sick bay within the Superdome, and there were very few cots available that hadn't been brought in by evacuees. The mayor of New Orleans had, in fact, stated that as a "refuge of last resort," only limited food, water, and supplies would be provided. Residents who evacuated to the Superdome were warned to bring their own supplies."

The state and local officials KNEW there weren't enough supplies at the Superdome and failed to provide those supplies ("bring your own!"). The fed's lack of response to the ill-preparedness of the state and local agencies does not absolve those agencies of the blame for not being prepared. Do not those who purposefully failed to supply the Superdome for a longer period of time deserve some of the blame? Or is it still ?Bush's fault"?

And the Superdome ran out of water on Sept. 1 - the day they evacuated it. This "days and days with no food or water" is simply a misperception and wrong.

Ooops, link to my quoted sources - once again wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org

FUBAR all the way around. I guess all the TV pictures of people pleading for help didn't require the national Guard providing help and security as usually happens within hours after a major hurricane.

If Bush is getting a bad rap for the Feds response to Katrina, 90% of America must be wrong with what they saw on TV.

BARTIMUS

These excerpts are from the same Wikipedia page you pulled your blurb from:

There was concern that many National Guard units were short staffed in Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama because some units were deployed overseas and local recruiting efforts in schools and the community had been hampered making reserves less than ideal.[8]

Due to the slow response by the federal government to the hurricane, New Orleans's top emergency management official called the effort a "national disgrace" and questioned when reinforcements would actually reach the increasingly desperate city.[9] New Orleans's emergency operations chief Terry Ebbert blamed the inadequate response on the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA). "This is not a FEMA operation. I haven't seen a single FEMA guy", he said. "FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."[9] At the time, the main staging area was only 6 miles away along the adjoining I-10 at the Causeway intersection, and FEMA had apparently been at the Superdome three days earlier.

n the early morning of September 2 mayor Ray Nagin expressed his frustration at what he claimed were insufficient reinforcements provided by the President and federal authorities

Vice President Dick Cheney was also criticized in his role in the aftermath. On the night of August 30, and again the next morning, he personally called the manager of the Southern Pines Electric Power Association and ordered him to divert power crews to electrical substations in nearby Collins, Mississippi that were essential to the operation of the Colonial Pipeline, which carries gasoline and diesel fuel from Texas to the Northeast.[23] The power crews were reportedly upset when told what the purpose of the redirection was, since they were in the process of restoring power to two local hospitals, but did so anyway.

FUBAR all the way around.
#62 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Bingo. The hurricane response fiasco wasn't caused only by a failure in the federal government - it was caused by a failure in ALL LEVELS of the government.

People who criticized Cheney for having Colonial turned back on were pretty short-sighted. The Northeast US had on hand only 2 days of fuel supplies; the rest comes from Colonial. And good luck getting more aid to the area without gasoline to power the trucks. Had the NE run out of fuel, partisan shills like AU would have been calling for Cheney's head. He couldn't win either way with people like that.

What would Joe Biden have done, given the same circumstances? Ordered the crews to restore the pipelines to the rest of the country? Or a couple of community hospitals in Mississippi?

Easier not to decide, I guess. Which is why Barack picked him.


Katrina was when the nation realized that the "compassionate conservative" bullshit did, in fact, stink.

#2 | Posted by silver_ironist

LOL!! What does this, in fact, mean?

Blanco, the unseated Governor of Louisiana was a Democrat! She decided to make it a political issue BEFORE THE HURRICANE HIT, rather than do her fucking job!

You can not put this on either party's back. Government from both sides screwed up.

Let it go!

Katrina did more to bring Louisiana corrupt politics to Main Stream Media than it hurt the Bush Administration. Let's calculate. 70 years of Democrat-led corrupt and mismanaged government vs. 8 years of a troubled administration that would have gone down in flames anyway.

Katrina awakened the people of Louisiana.


" Since the nearest Republican to the scene was in the White House, he'll do for a scapegoat,"


As long as you ignore life-long Republican, just-turned-Democrat-for-the-
election Ray Nagin.

#41 | Posted by Danforth

However, he's a Democrat... A Chocalate Democrat. I love making fun of him.

what can you say , when you have a drunk and a nazi in the white house,shit happens. heck of a job there herr bush

If Barack Obama were president during Katrina, the outcome would have been exactly the same...

#40 | Posted by rightisright

I call bullshit on that. Having watched the whole event very, very closely, it's safe to say it's virtually impossible for a decent President to have fucked it up more. The reaction to Katrina was incredibly unprofessional and uncaring, and it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt how little the Bush Administration cares about poor people (read: people who don't make up Bush's "base".)

History has proved that people have very short memories. You're in that list, RIR. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that it's just your memory that's bad.

So, how 'bout that Bush legacy?

I am really interested to see how it pans out. I keep hearing from some of my (R) friends that he'll be vindicated, but I'm having trouble seeing it that way.

I have a few other (R) friends who say there is no way in hell Bush is comin' out like roses. All my (D) friends, well, I'm sure you can guess their opinions....

Either way, I am ready for the first pop-up book presidential library.

I call bullshit on that. Having watched the whole event very, very closely, it's safe to say it's virtually impossible for a decent President to have fucked it up more. The reaction to Katrina was incredibly unprofessional and uncaring, and it proved beyond a shadow of a doubt how little the Bush Administration cares about poor people (read: people who don't make up Bush's "base".)

#69 | Posted by Apocalypto

This is, in it's entirety, JUST your opinion!

do you have anything other than other screaming Liberals' opinions to back this up?

If Obama or Clinton were president during this storm, very little would be different!

eddie, boy. did you read the article? this is what 2 of herr bush s key people said. what is it? cant you read or cant you process? Eddie, The ass is a loser.

One thing would be different. Louisiana would not have gotten as much bail-out money, because the Liberals would have not been screaming so much!

Liberals, sharing your stupid, unfounded opinions cost the tax payers money, just to go into the pockets of the corrupt Democrats in Louisiana.

eddie, dead bodies on street for a week! Herr Bush went to a birthday party for McCain. wake up eddie.

If Obama or Clinton were president during this storm, very little would be different!

#71 | Posted by Eddie

Interesting that you label another poster's material as "just your opinion", and then try to pass off your opinion as some sort of fact.

when the idiot finally showed up, he said eferything was ok and his boy did a "Heck of a job" then he fired him a week later. he failed eddie, real big time. he failed to lead. he broke his promise

Fucking Drudge deleted my post.

Well, anyway... I've been saying for years that katrina showed the US citizens what the bush admin would do in a terrorist attack: Very little. Bush and chertoff couldn't even watch CNN.

Hard to run on the "we can protect you but everyone else can't" platform when a predicated natural disaster kicks your ass. Terror attacks don't come with the warning that hurricanes do...

"predicated" = Predicted.

I hate this pos keyboard.

Any "vindication" my friend History gives Bush will be accidental in nature. This article doesn't talk about power vacuums for no reason. Bush came into the WH and peed on a few walls, but bigger dogs always led the pack.

Zed,

that's how I feel about it.

I can't come to terms with how Bush would be vindicated, even if accidental.

I would really like a level-headed explanation from Bush loyalists who see him as a present day scapegoat and a latter day hero.

What benefit(s) has he brought the country and the world that can undo his immense and diversified portfolio of failure. Increased profit margins for Vinnell, et. al., don't count.

However, this article and the recent polling suggest there aren't many Bush loyalists left; and, of those left, who would be considered level-headed?

...and "keeping the country safe for 7 years" doesn't count.

By that standard you would have to love Jimmy Carter. At least none of the hostages died in Tehran.

And Bill Clinton. At least he put away those who attacked the WTC in '93.

he was attacked successfully on 9/11 the worst attack in history. what a guy. what a patriot. what a piece of shit!

People who criticized Cheney for having Colonial turned back on were pretty short-sighted. The Northeast US had on hand only 2 days of fuel supplies; the rest comes from Colonial. And good luck getting more aid to the area without gasoline to power the trucks. Had the NE run out of fuel, partisan shills like AU would have been calling for Cheney's head. He couldn't win either way with people like that.

Interesting, I have never heard this before.

Hundreds of people went down there to provide relief and not one complained about not being able to get fuel.

We saw boats, choppers, buses and all kinds of gasoline vehicle providing aid but the US couldn't do it because they only had 2 days supply in the north. What planet are you living on fella.

There is so much great information available now it is hard to imagine that anyone would actually defend bush.


Something definitely blinds these people that's for sure.

Roman has to be Moneywar.

I agree that the people finally woke up and saw him for the fucking idiot he is, reguardless of how hard "the liberal media" tried to defend him. Anyone ever notice that everytime he was exposed for being a complete fuck up, even when Katrina hit and he was busy playing his gee-tar and smiling like a tard, "the liberal media" started screaming "this is no time to point fingers and play the blame game!"? I wonder what he has on the democrats, why in hells name wouldn't they put it to a dick smack with an approval rating in the mid 20s?


Well, anyway... I've been saying for years that katrina showed the US citizens what the bush admin would do in a terrorist attack: Very little. Bush and chertoff couldn't even watch CNN.

#77 | Posted by Alexandrite

Actually, Bush demonstrated what Washington is going to do in a terrorist attack. All it can, and it will NEVER be enough.

What's funny is that people expect more from Republicans. Why is that?

Anyway, if there were a terrorist attack, the country would snap together like 2 opposite ends of a magnet.

Alex, The MSM painted this false picture that Washington could and should do more in the aftermath of the storm. They were wrong, most idiots like you believed them. The Federal Government was never set up to protect against things like that. Wait, yes it was, and the situation rectified itself. The State of Louisiana was so corrupt that it could not react to a storm that it knew would happen one day. An inept State government was replaced by a competent one. Please don't come back and say that a inept administration was replaced... That is completely irrelavent here. Bush was very competent! Very competent in expanding the American Empire.


There is so much great information available now it is hard to imagine that anyone would actually defend bush.


Something definitely blinds these people that's for sure.

#84 | Posted by roman


A great thing happened in Louisiana because of Katrina. It exposed 70 years of Democrat-led corruption. That's almost over now. Clean up is underway. So, I am not defending Bush or the corrupt Repulicans and Democrats in Washington.


...and "keeping the country safe for 7 years" doesn't count.


By that standard you would have to love Jimmy Carter. At least none of the hostages died in Tehran.


And Bill Clinton. At least he put away those who attacked the WTC in '93.

#81 | Posted by JesusIsGod

LOL. None of the hostages died in Tehran! They never were going to die unless Carter did something dumb. They played his administration because his foreign policy was weak. They knew Carter was not going to do anything.

I really can't believe that this incident is the only reason we hate the Iranians.


I really can't believe that this incident is the only reason we hate the Iranians.
~Eddie


The main reason is because we always need a Boogeyman.

The ONLY reason why the United States "Hates" Iran is because they sit uptop of Crude Oil. No Crude Oil we would be going Iran Who?? Bank on THAT one.

Larry

Let's review:

- City built below sea level
- Prone to hurricane strikes every 5-10 years
- Inept state and city governments that failed to lead during a crisis
- People waiting for a handout rather than getting out prior to land fall

What does this equal...let's blame the federal government, Pres. Bush, and anybody else that can be blamed less the dumb asses that cant look in the mirror for whose to blame. While FEMA may have not done all that could be done after the fact, there is more than enough blame to go around that doesn't belong at the federal level.

Alex, The MSM painted this false picture that Washington could and should do more in the aftermath of the storm. They were wrong, most idiots like you believed them.

Sorry, I expect the POTUS to NOT be so fucking ignorant that his aides have to make a DVD of disaster news coverage to get him to do something.

I expect the head of the dept of homeland security to watch CNN.

I expect the head of FEMA to be more qualified than judge at the arabian horse association.

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