The anti Cheney.

I think Biden was misquoted here. He actually said the plan is to shrink-wrap Cheney, tape him to an old tug boat with masking tape, and commence naval target practice.

Obama made a good move picking a draft dodger dummy like Joe Biden. Everyone knows that he is not smart enough to be a "shadow president" and he doesn't have the balls for Commander in Chief.

-he doesn't have the balls for Commander in Chief.

Perhaps if you spit them out?

Biden should be hanged for treason. But a long, painful and debilitating disease would satisfy me.

Biden should be hanged for treason. But a long, painful and debilitating disease would satisfy me.

#5 | Posted by OzarkAggie

Now there's the old Christmas spirit! God bless us, everyone!

"Biden Will Shrink VP Role"

What? Me worry (work)"?????

Now there's the old Christmas spirit! God bless us, everyone!

#6 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-26 10:30 AM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds like the pointless shit you've been posting for years.

Kinda stinks when the shit's on the other foot

I think it is because h is to stupid to do any good in the job. A good man knows his limitations.

His role will match his hairline.

#8 | Posted by vernon

I tend to worry a little more about insults when they don't come from someone who is consistently proven wrong about almost everything and is snickered at by posters of all political persuasions.

His role will match his hairline.

#10 | Posted by wisgod

You mean it will vary?

"Obama made a good move picking a draft dodger dummy like Joe Biden"

Yes, after 8 years of the Bush/Cheney they are breaking out "draft dodger" out. How many deferments did Cheney get again? How much blow did Bush bring into the country before he went AWOL?

His role will match his hairline.

If you're comparing him to Cheney on that count he'd have a BIGGER role.

Biden, the dems answer to Dan Quale (spelling).

Dan Quayle's IQ could fit in Joe Biden's pinky finger

This site provides proof everyday that Dan Quayle was right about one Bushism he uttered:

"It's a terrible thing to waste one's mind"

How much blow did Bush bring into the country before he went AWOL?

#13 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

Please tell us how much.

How much crack did obama sell on the streets when he was a kid?

After #18, this bears repeating:

This site provides proof everyday that Dan Quayle was right about one Bushism he uttered:

"It's a terrible thing to waste one's mind"

Too funny. Knowing Biden's big mouth I am sure Obama has alerted him that he is VP in name only and to not speak unless it is approved by Obama's staff firsthand. Bust to keep him in the background and pose for photo ops only.

AW that hurts. I would love to sit here and chat with you lemmings but I have a 10:00 tee-time.

Retirement at 52 sucks.

The only thing worse than Obama in the WH would be Biden in there.

WE CANNOT STAND SMART PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE! IT PISSES US OFF!

-The Right

WE CANNOT STAND SMART PEOPLE

Biden's not smart. He's a suck up. Authored the Drug War and all it's violations of Constitutional protections (aka Bill of Rights). Then VAWA. Same disregard for rights (due process). And he was big on the Patriot Act as well. All part of the liberal social engineering project--destroying America one law at a time.

You could hang Biden by his heels so he doesn't pass out and skin him alive and I wouldn't feel any pity for the bastard.

Obama picked Biden because he's a misandrist and that pleases the Mavens, and partly because Barry is still pissed at his daddy for dumping him. They're both run to mommy types.

Good for Joe. There aren't many people you could send into the executive branch of the U.S. government who would reduce their own power.

And the Zen Master said "We shall see".

Like Bush wasn't the final word or decision on everything from the WH.

So what did Cheney do or decide without Bush?

And did we ever hear from Cheney? No--he was in the hidden bunker and rarely came out.

Now if Biden does that--we will all be impressed.

For Murphy

Damn what happened?? They aren't supposed to be THAT small are they??

We like Joe. A common man who still eats at Katies. -The Left

Yeah sure Biden gonna sit down and shut his mouth!

If you believe that then I want to sell you some swamp front condos.

Murphy just go here

No I suspect Biden will spend much of his time trying to explain why Obama's mistakes aren't really mistakes.

He will make a good lacky.

Lacky? Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Good one.

Obama's been very clear Biden will sit in on all important meetings and be a close adviser.

Sorry y'all lost your asses again this year. America seems to want competence, intelligence, and pragmatic ideas instead of idiots who don't read history books and treat the Presidency like Romper Room as Bush does.

And you don't think that Biden will have access to the classified information?

LOL

And pray tell wise ones--what did Cheney do for foreign policy by himself?

Dan Quayle's IQ could fit in Joe Biden's pinky finger

#16 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

You only need one hand to count joe's. OH! I guess you mean only one finger for joe's.

SNIPER

I know intelligence is a bad word in your circles.

Have potatos yesterday? (let's see it that one flies over your head too LOL).

Well Murphy He signed off on Torture for starters. Isn't that enough to want Biden to go back to how the Vice President is SUPPOSED to be??

Larry

And what is the torture Larry?

Music, no sleep?

I heard Beethoven was considered torture music.

Waterboarding for one. Murphy. Hell just look at the pictures of Abu Ghraib. Cheney OKAYED that.

Larry

Really?

And what evidence do you have that Cheney OK'd the crap that went on at Abu Ghraib?

Testimony from the guards? From the people found guilty like Gardner or any of them? From the prisoners? How about written documents from Cheney? How about any admissions from Cheney?

Waterboarding--documented to have been done on how many? 4 people--maybe? And in extreme situations.

Waterboarding for one. Murphy. Hell just look at the pictures of Abu Ghraib. Cheney OKAYED that.

Larry

As well as every committee ranking member from both sides of the political aisle. What is your point? Keeping in mind the law against water boarding has yet to be passed and implemented.

Cheney endorses waterboarding
Says use of water boarding to get terrorist intelligence is no brainer'

WASHINGTON - Dick Cheney, US vice-president, has endorsed the use of "water boarding" for terror suspects and confirmed that the controversial interrogation technique was used on Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, the senior al-Qaeda operative now being held at Guantnamo Bay.

Cheney was responding to a radio interviewer from North Dakota station WDAY who asked whether water boarding, which involves simulated drowning, was a "no-brainer" if the information it yielded would save American lives. "It's a no-brainer for me," Cheney replied.

KARL: Did you authorize the tactics that were used against Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

CHENEY: I was aware of the program, certainly, and involved in helping get the process cleared, as the agency in effect came in and wanted to know what they could and couldn't do. And they talked to me, as well as others, to explain what they wanted to do. And I supported it.

Waterboarding--documented to have been done on how many? 4 people--maybe? And in extreme situations.

#40 | Posted by MURPHY

I think the count is up to 33 now.

The outgoing vice president said CIA interrogators subjected 33 detainees to the harsh techniques, which critics say constitute torture, and he vigorously defended the practice. After a weekend interview with Fox News Sunday, Cheney spoke to the conservative Washington Times on Monday.

Cheney spoke to the conservative Washington Times on Monday.

SANANTONIOROGUE

I just ordered a book called "Bad Moon Rising", which is about the Rev. Sun Myung Moon - owner of the Washington Times. It was created to give the right wing talking heads a newspaper to quote ... "today The Washington Times said....."

Moon is a convicted tax evader who deals with North Korea and is friends with the Bush's. HW let him back in the country when he was President, and sent W off to Japan to get Moon out of jail there in the mid 90's.

Creepy guy, creepy friends, creepy newspaper.

Keeping in mind the law against water boarding has yet to be passed and implemented.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-12-26 01:18 PM | Reply

It's already against the Law. It's a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Something the SCOTUS has declared they are entitled to.

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Waterboarding--documented to have been done on how many? 4 people--maybe? And in extreme situations.

#40 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-26 01:17 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Doesn't matter if it's 1 or 100 it is against the Law. We did sign onto the Geneva Conventions did we not?? Sorry Murphy we convicted Japanese soldiers for doing Waterboarding in World War 2. Now You want to lose that moral high ground we once had before Dubya and Cheney?? Unbelievable.

Larry

If MURPHY's husband cut off her credit cards she'd think she was being tortured.

"Biden Will Shrink VP Role"

LOL. Translation: Obama told Biden he was going to keep his piehole shut, out of the range of any cameras, and to make plans accordingly.

We don't need anymore Vice Presidents running the country as Cheney has. He wasn't elected for that job, but with an idiot like Bush in there I guess he had to.

Keeping in mind the law against water boarding has yet to be passed and implemented.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-12-26 01:18 PM | Reply

It's already against the Law. It's a violation of the Geneva Conventions. Something the SCOTUS has declared they are entitled to.

Strange you passed over the others involved from both parties as though it is only the fault of the current administration. I can understand AU's partisan silence but I thought you were more sensible. BTW... It is still being conducted today and Congress has yet to have it deemed illegal by law.

Strange you passed over the others involved from both parties as though it is only the fault of the current administration. I can understand AU's partisan silence but I thought you were more sensible. BTW... It is still being conducted today and Congress has yet to have it deemed illegal by law.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-12-26 01:50 PM | Reply

Strange I didn't know the Legislative Branch controlled the CIA and FBI. When did that occur?? Was I asleep that day in School?? Could have been.

Larry

Strange I didn't know the Legislative Branch controlled the CIA and FBI. When did that occur?? Was I asleep that day in School?? Could have been.

Larry

You didn't know the Legislative Branch can pass a law banning all torture? Is that really what you just said?

You didn't know the Legislative Branch can pass a law banning all torture? Is that really what you just said?

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-12-26 01:59 PM | Reply

No Crispee just not deflecting like You are. The Geneva Conventions forbid torture. We have already signed the Geneva Conventions back in 1949. The SCOTUS Declared the Detainees had Geneva Conventions protections and they were entitled to them. Therefore it is ALREADY against the Law. But nice try at deflecting to the Democrats like usual. They don't control the CIA nor the FBI.

Larry

No Crispee just not deflecting like You are. The Geneva Conventions forbid torture. We have already signed the Geneva Conventions back in 1949. The SCOTUS Declared the Detainees had Geneva Conventions protections and they were entitled to them. Therefore it is ALREADY against the Law. But nice try at deflecting to the Democrats like usual. They don't control the CIA nor the FBI.

Larry

#52 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-12-26 02:04

How am I deflecting when you can't even acknowledge both parties have signed off on torture in the past and is still being used today? Maybe you are as partisan and ignorant as American Unity. You sure proved it by giving Congress a free pass. Maybe you can prove you are Wyle E Coyote super genius and tell me who does the oversight and controls the money going to the CIA nad FBI?

Where is the link for 33 people waterboarded?

That isn't the point, MURPHY

The point is Cheney and the Bush Administration approved waterboarding - an offence that brought the death penalty to Japanese at the conclusion of WW2.

It's going to be fun watching you right wing nuts doing circle jerks the next four years. A BALL!!!!

Brought it on yourselves too. Be glad you'll have competent leadership for a change.

Last time I checked Cheney and Dubya were the ones who ordered the torture of Detainees. No Legislative person could order the CIA nor FBI to do jack shit. Those are Law Enforcement arms of the Executive Branch. So Crispee why in Gods green earth are You trying so desperately to include a branch that lacked the control?? Funny dat be in spades.

Larry

Last time I checked Cheney and Dubya were the ones who ordered the torture of Detainees. No Legislative person could order the CIA nor FBI to do jack shit.

Sure thing Wyle. Thanks for bothering to read post number 53. I would hate for you to look like an idiot and continue to think Congress has no say. Not that you helped yourself thinking this is the only administration that has used tactics like waterboarding.

Congress cannot order the CIA to do anything but turn over documents related to oversight or oversteps.

Only the President can order the CIA as a whole to engage in specific actions.

Where is the link for 33 people waterboarded?

#55 | Posted by MURPHY

Congress cannot order the CIA to do anything but turn over documents related to oversight or oversteps.

Only the President can order the CIA as a whole to engage in specific actions

Obviously you and Larry drink from the same tainted well. Or you are simply partisan with your heads so far up the Dems asses you can't think straight.

A controversial measure barring the CIA from using torture cleared the Senate late yesterday, despite opposition from Republican presidential front-runner Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

Senate Democrats picked up the support of moderate Republicans, some of whom face tough re-election battles this year, to pass the conference report accompanying the annual intelligence authorization bill on a 51-45 vote.

Dems Condoned Torture Policy

CRISPEE

You don't understand the word 'proactive'- emphasis on 'pro'.

Congress can order the CIA to produce documents, or they can ban certain activities, but they cannot specifically order the CIA to engage in a specific action.

Get it?

I'm so glad the right wingers will be pissing their pants the next four years. Enough of idiots and their cronies running the country.

You don't understand the word 'proactive'- emphasis on 'pro'.

Congress can order the CIA to produce documents, or they can ban certain activities, but they cannot specifically order the CIA to engage in a specific action.

Get it?

Which is why they wrote Legislation banning its use? Keep digging AU. I guess you will hit reality at some point and time. Of course you will have to admit your beloved Dems not only knew about the tactics, but actually condoned these practices.

Don't bother to reaad this AU and Larry. You have dug your holes too deep to get out of.

#62 | Posted by crispee_oc

Don't worry, I won't read that link or any of your other posts on this thread. No problem.

I'm so glad the right wingers will be pissing their pants the next four years. Enough of idiots and their cronies running the country.

Unlike the lefts representation here? Like yourself and Larry giving the dems a free pass? When you speak of idiots...

CRISPEE

You have your mind set on one thing, and I'm trying to explain the difference between oversight and orders to you. It's not getting through.

Have a good day. Later.

When you speak of idiots...

CRISPEE

I will think of the nightmare of the last eight years and all the idiots who got us in a hell of a mess. I only plan on speaking of idiots if Bush's name comes up.

The intelligence authorization bill would authorize programs and spending for the intelligence community for the current fiscal year.

CRISPEE

Watch your head. You're beating it against a wall.

They cannot order the CIA to engage in specific activities. Only the President can. Is that so hard for you to understand?

OK, now I'm off this thread. Watch your head though.

When you speak of idiots...

CRISPEE

I will think of the nightmare of the last eight years and all the idiots who got us in a hell of a mess. I only plan on speaking of idiots if Bush's name comes up.

In other words I looked like a fool and showed how little I know on this subjhect. But I will continue to wear blinkers and only blame Bush and Cheney.

Care to defend your ignorant post about Congress not being able to pass legislation banning the CIA from using....? Or are you going to run away in shame again?

(Congress can order the CIA to produce documents, or they can ban certain activities, but they cannot specifically order the CIA to engage in a specific action.)
#63 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-26 03:04 PM

Actually Congress not only has the authority to submit a bill to the President outlawing waterboarding, it has approved treaties that ban the practice for prisoners of war.

It also has the power to declare war, therefore, had they done so, all captives would have been subject to the Geneva Convention.

From a law enforcement perspective it's less defined as it pertains to foreign nationals engaged in aggressive actions against our troops in foreign lands. Yet, Blackwater guards have been indicted for murder in Iraq, and others may face the same fate in years to come. No statute of limitations for murder.

Torture being a war crime means that those who engaged in waterboarding might be tried - even if war was not declared, though probably not in the US.

There's that pardon thingy out there.

CRISPEE

Watch your head. You're beating it against a wall.

Or AU you are too stupid to read the fact Congress tried to pass laws... If they had no control why could they pass a law genius? I don't blame you for running little man.

No one ran, CRISPEE

You're like talking to a wall. Not interesting today. Sorry.

Congress can pass laws governing the activities of the CIA, but only in the sense of what they CANNOT do, not activities the President can order them to do.

Later.

Congress can pass laws governing the activities of the CIA, but only in the sense of what they CANNOT do, not activities the President can order them to do.

Later.

Funny your earlier post said they couldn't. Who should I believe? A partisan tool like you? Or the United States Congress and United States Senate? Please explain what law they tried to pass? If it didn't ban what they CANNOT do? Better yet. Go and run like a little bitch.

CRISPEE

You're looking really small right about now. If that's the best you can do in a debate you'll have to debate yourself. You're coming off as about 12 years old with that style.

OZARKAGGIE

I'm reading "The Prosecution of George W Bush for Murder" by Vincent Bugliosi, a former prosecutor who in his time was reminiscent of Patrick Fitzgerald. He lays out a good case.

Probably not the best reading at Christmastime, but a reminder nonetheless of all the reasons I learned to disdain Bush and Co.

What transpires in the international courts could be very interesting in the months to come.

"Joe Biden is laying plans to significantly shrink the role of the vice presidency in Barack Obama's White House, according to an official familiar with his thinking. His goal is to serve the role of trusted backup, without being mistaken for a "shadow president" single-handedly crafting and promoting policy."

Merry Christmas America. Given that he is every bit the drooling idiot, this is a present to the entire country and the world too. Thanks Joe.

CRISPEE

Your reading comprehension skills are not so hot today.

Reread my posts and tell me I wasn't clear that ONLY the President can order the CIA to engage in specific activities. Congress can ban them, but they cannot and do not order the CIA to engage in specific activities. Said it twice there. Maybe one of those will get inside your head.

You're in a minority with your political rhetoric, CRISPEE

GALLUP: Obama most admired man in America.

by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- A remarkable 32% of Americans choose Barack Obama as the man they most admire living anywhere in the world today, putting him in the No. 1 position on Gallup's annual Most Admired Man list.

No one comes close to matching Obama in percentage mentions on this year's list of most admired men, based on a Dec. 12-14 USA Today/Gallup poll.

Most Admired Men

After Obama, President George W. Bush comes in second place on Gallup's Most Admired Man list, but is named by just 5% of Americans. The percentage naming Bush on this measure has steadily declined since 2003, consistent with his sinking job approval ratings. But 2008 marks the first year of his presidency that he did not earn the Most Admired Man distinction.

There have only been a few other instances in Gallup's history of asking this question since 1948 that the sitting president was not named Most Admired Man, and few when a sitting president received this low percentage of mentions.

(John McCain 2%)

A remarkable 32% of Americans choose Barack Obama as the man they most admire living anywhere in the world today, putting him in the No. 1 position on Gallup's annual Most Admired Man list.

So when you take out the blacks it is really like 20%.

Whatever, moron

That's still 4X what Bush got, and 7X what McCain got.

Thanks San--

From the article--

In an interview with The Washington Times inside his West Wing office, Mr. Cheney also acknowledged the unusually powerful role he has played as vice president on everything from the war in Iraq to helping approve interrogation methods -- that some regarded as torture and that ultimately would be used for 33 high-value detainees.

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So what techniques were used on 33 detainees?

Waterboarding is nowhere in the article.

tor⋅ture
   /ˈtɔrtʃər/ [tawr-cher]

noun, verb, -tured, -tur⋅ing.
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.
verb (used with object)
6. to subject to torture.
7. to afflict with severe pain of body or mind: My back is torturing me.
8. to force or extort by torture: We'll torture the truth from his lips!
9. to twist, force, or bring into some unnatural position or form: trees tortured by storms.
10. any of MURPHY's attempts at semantics
11. a Sarah Palin ad lib

Waterboarding is nowhere in the article.

#83 | Posted by MURPHY

It was in the ABC interview he gave. I excerpted a piece of it earlier.

Murphy - I have to correct myself. The article say "enhanced interrogation" methods were used on 33 prisoners. It only mentions 3 specifically that were waterboarded.

Its on the 2nd page of the article linked.

Suddenly the Most Admired poll is newsworthy! Whoo whoo!!

And wasn't Bush the most admired something like six years in a row? And weren't such polls belittled--and rightfully so--by the DR libs?

Sigh. Time for the presidency to be a nonstop popularity contest again. I'm used to seeing Hollywood actresses topless on magazine covers, which is fine by me. Now I've got to see our POTUS as part of People's Beefcake specials, along with online polls about "who's hotter shirtless? Obama or Putin?" ((Putin won, by the way)). Godalmighty.

"And wasn't Bush the most admired something like six years in a row?

Probably.

And weren't such polls belittled--and rightfully so--by the DR libs?"

Highly likely

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#88 | Posted by rightisright

So what? What's your point? That people prefer polls that reflect their views? Thanks for that fucking brilliant insight, Genius.

1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.
verb (used with object)
6. to subject to torture.
7. to afflict with severe pain of body or mind: My back is torturing me.
8. to force or extort by torture: We'll torture the truth from his lips!
9. to twist, force, or bring into some unnatural position or form: trees tortured by storms.

#84 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

And just exactly which one of the above refere to waterboarding? They all refere to pain.

BHO is clamping down on Biden already?
For the good of the Administration and of the country at large, I suspect that we wont see or hear much from Biden over the next few years.

Bush had 39% in this beauty pageant back in 2001.

Thats 9% higher than flop ears.

Hmmm, that's funny. The article at MSNBC.com said his 32% was the highest ever for a President Elect

How'd ya like Bush's 5%? What a loser

PS

You may want to try a little remedial math

39-32 is HOW much?

BS on your claim too

Bush sucks

Too funny. Knowing Biden's big mouth I am sure Obama has alerted him that he is VP in name only and to not speak unless it is approved by Obama's staff firsthand. Bust to keep him in the background and pose for photo ops only.

#20 | Posted by KBM at 2008-12-26 11:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

OH THE HORROR!!!

You mean the President-Elect only wants his VP to do the actual JOB of the VP and nothing more?? That's CRAZY!!!!

Do you people actually think before you type the shit you do?

This is for americandumbass

Biden will shirk the VP job, he has been doing that throughout all of his elected positions. Nothing new here. Now if they can make him keep his mouth closed that would be something,

One-third of Americans call Obama their first or second choice for most-admired man. The only higher support for a man in the history of the survey was Bush's 39% rating in 2001, months after the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington.

The problem with you americanunity is that you are reading MSNBC in the first place.

#96 | Posted by buzkiller

Still doesn't explain how 39 - 32 = 9. Wonder who's calculator you borrowed for that one.

This is for americandumbass

www.drudge.com

One-third of Americans call Obama their first or second choice for most-admired man. The only higher support for a man in the history of the survey was Bush's 39% rating in 2001, months after the 9/11 attacks on New York and Washington.

The problem with you americanunity is that you are reading MSNBC in the first place.

#96 | Posted by buzkiller

By the way - AU's comparison was for Presidents-elect, not President-elect to sitting President following a national emergency.

So it appears he was accurate and YOU are the dumbass.