Every 'story' has a link, too:>)

I've read most of this stuff over the past year.

Kinda half-assed censorship

But, where's the story about Obama being a Muslim illegal alien??

Amy Goodman reported a student messing up one of Bush's final give-aways, auctioning off public lands to oil interests by making high bids with a paddle. By the time anyone got wise, they had to scrub the auction and start over, which won't be possible until Bush leaves office.

The kid is in The Slam, I understand, with plenty of lawyers to defend him pro bono. He is surely a candidate for the next Golden Shoe Award. And not a word in the mainstream press. herm

Too bad your not No 1 on this list HERMIE - Hope you had a very Merry Christmas by the way.

Too bad your not No 1 on this list HERMIE -

#5 | Posted by ELCIDCE666

why is that?

"Too bad your not No 1 on this list - Hope you had a very Merry Christmas by the way."

You mean "You're?" By what way? And likewise, I'm sure, Cidney.

"why is that?" I think that's an assist so old herm can dunk one, Bani, but could you clarify it just a little? herm

Aren't these the top censored stories for 2008? 2009 has not happened yet!

Herm, I saw a whole story on that kid. Excellent work he did! It was creative and definitely worthwhile.

Reading some of these stories is quite interesting, BTW. Good post Bani.

Good post Bani.

#10 | Posted by YAV

Thank you!

"...led by the civilian death toll in Iraq."

How many Uniformed Iraqi Combative deaths have there been since 2003?

What's that? There are no Uniformed Iraqi Combatives in Iraq? Well then, who are we fighting there? Who's placing those IEDs we hear about?

Perhaps they are insurgents? What's another word for Insurgent?

Civilian?

...Oh, SNAP...

Very informative post Bani. I am going to make a thread on #24, unless you would like to put it up first.

go 4 it, dude!

I mean bison...

If these were censored, who ever did so didn't do a very good job at it. Maybe "underreported" would be a more fitting description.

Maybe "underreported" would be a more fitting description.

#16 | Posted by katieberry

good point! have you looked at the past years of Project Censor reportings for backup on your thesis?

Top 25 Censored Stories: Archive

Top 25 Censored Stories for 2008
#1 No Habeas Corpus for "Any Person"
#2 Bush Moves Toward Martial Law
# 3 AFRICOM: US Military Control of Africa's Resources
# 4 Frenzy of Increasingly Destructive Trade Agreements
#5 Human Traffic Builds US Embassy in Iraq
#6 Operation FALCON Raids
#7 Behind Blackwater Inc.
#8 KIA: The US Neoliberal Invasion of India
#9 Privatization of America's Infrastructure
# 10 Vulture Funds Threaten Poor Nations' Debt Relief
# 11 The Scam of "Reconstruction" in Afghanistan
# 12 Another Massacre in Haiti by UN Troops
# 13 Immigrant Roundups to Gain Cheap Labor for US Corporate Giants
# 14 Impunity for US War Criminals
# 15 Toxic Exposure Can Be Transmitted to Future Generations on a "Second Genetic Code"
#16 No Hard Evidence Connecting Bin Laden to 9/11
# 17 Drinking Water Contaminated by Military and Corporations
# 18 Mexico's Stolen Election
# 19 People's Movement Challenges Neoliberal Agenda
# 20 Terror Act Against Animal Activists
# 21 US Seeks WTO Immunity for Illegal Farm Payments
# 22 North Invades Mexico
# 23 Feinstein's Conflict of Interest in Iraq
# 24 Media Misquotes Threat From Iran's President
# 25 Who Will Profit from Native Energy?

Top 25 Censored Stories for 2007
1. Future of Internet Debate Ignored by Media
2. Halliburton Charged with Selling Nuclear Technologies to Iran
3. Oceans of the World in Extreme Danger
4. Hunger and Homelessness Increasing in the US
5. High-Tech Genocide in Congo
6. Federal Whistleblower Protection in Jeopardy
7. US Operatives Torture Detainees to Death in Afghanistan and Iraq
8. Pentagon Exempt from Freedom of Information Act
9. The World Bank Funds Israel-Palestine Wall
10. Expanded Air War in Iraq Kills More Civilians
11. Dangers of Genetically Modified Food Confirmed
12. Pentagon Plans to Build New Landmines
13. New Evidence Establishes Dangers of Roundup
14. Homeland Security Contracts KBR to Build Detention Centers in the US
15. Chemical Industry is EPA's Primary Research Partner
16. Ecuador and Mexico Defy US on International Criminal Court
17. Iraq Invasion Promotes OPEC Agenda
18. Physicist Challenges Official 9-11 Story
19. Destruction of Rainforests Worst Ever
20. Bottled Water: A Global Environmental Problem
21. Gold Mining Threatens Ancient Andean Glaciers
22. $Billions in Homeland Security Spending Undisclosed
23. US Oil Targets Kyoto in Europe
24. Cheney's Halliburton Stock Rose Over 3000 Percent Last Year
25. US Military in Paraguay Threatens Region

Wow. Just... wow. I'm going to have to take awhile to digest this site. Some of this shit is scary.

# 10 Vulture Funds Threaten Poor Nations' Debt Relief

True dat.

One of the biggest reasons Spud found Rudy Guliiani's run fer POTUS so loathesome was cos his biggest single backer was also the manager of the biggest Vulture Fund outfit in the world . A firm called Elliot Associates that's run by some fuckstick named Paul Singer.

Spud luffs the "censored stories" lists that appear at the end of every year.

Not entirely censored of course, more accurately they are, as someone stated above, "under-reported".

See also: "deflected from", "spun", minimalised", and "made to fit the MSM's current narrative".

# 23 Feinstein's Conflict of Interest in Iraq

She's a war profiteer just like Cheney only without the torture fetish.

Be Well.

"torture fetish" is that an itch to beat on one's horn during rush hour?

Bush Regime "Preempts" Elliot Spitzer for his attempt to protect American consumers from the Criminal Usury and Greed of the Zionist U.S.Banks!

Spitzer stated the day before his outing on expensive call girls: "The administration accomplished this feat through an obscure federal agency called the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC). The OCC has been in existence since the Civil War. Its mission is to ensure the fiscal soundness of national banks. For 140 years, the OCC examined the books of national banks to make sure they were balanced, an important but uncontroversial function. But a few years ago, for the first time in its history, the OCC was used as a tool against consumers.

In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks. The federal government's actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.

But the unanimous opposition of the 50 states did not deter, or even slow, the Bush administration in its goal of protecting the banks. In fact, when my office opened an investigation of possible discrimination in mortgage lending by a number of banks, the OCC filed a federal lawsuit to stop the investigation."

then the troubling Bank of America scam with the Ill governor recently...before indictments!

And STILL nothing about Obama's Illegal immigration from the Delta Quadrant? Or was that the Orion Sector?
The Arcturus Cluster, maybe?

Frank:
L. Ron Hubbard already answered that. Obama is a mighty Operating Thetan Level 7.

Thank you. That will be $1000 for advanced course tech, payabale now, or you will be deemed "unresponsive" to auditing and held captive on one of the CoS's yachts.

Very informative post Bani. I am going to make a thread on #24, unless you would like to put it up first.

#13 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-12-26 05:59 PM | Reply

"# 24 Japan Questions 9/11 and the Global War on Terror"

Buff-Boob is going to start a thread about 9/11 conspiracies?

Who would have guessed?

Oh,yeah, as I said in #2 -- which nobody can understand -- censored by WHO?

Censorship can only be committed by the government.

All of these 'theories' are online and available to any nutjob, crackpot with a computer. Hell, just Google 'Buffalo Boob' and you'll get a gazillion hits.

When the media gets on their collective knees for the Messiah Osama, then Lefties say they are just doing their job.

BUT, when the press regards clowns like BooB to be clowns....... suddenly they are just tools of Clear Channel.

You fools have no concept of American media. I worked in it for years (print, TV and radio) and the only thing that matters is viewers, listeners and readers. That drives ad rates. There is no political agenda ..... other than ratings which mean money.

Censorship can only be committed by the government.

This surely makes the poster look like an idiot.

Corporations, media, banks, and other influencial agencies censor all the time. It only takes the influence of money.

Vernon-
Of course! I'm glad you said it. There is no censorship when content is determined entirely by advertising dollars.

You fools have no concept of American media. I worked in it for years (print, TV and radio) and the only thing that matters is viewers, listeners and readers. That drives ad rates. There is no political agenda ..... other than ratings which mean money.

The operative word here is WORKED and we can clearly see why you are no longer there, probably fired for such thinking and decisions you made with that thinking.

Frank:
L. Ron Hubbard already answered that. Obama is a mighty Operating Thetan Level 7.

Thank you. That will be $1000 for advanced course tech, payabale now, or you will be deemed "unresponsive" to auditing and held captive on one of the CoS's yachts.

#26 | Posted by SamBarber

ff i think?

Time to go up on the bridge and get clear!

Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation

This number was proven time and time again to be incorrect and very exagerated.

Besides..... Anti-War = Anti-Christian

He's Back :-)

Iraq Body Count is an ongoing human security project which maintains and updates the world's largest public database of violent civilian deaths during and since the 2003 invasion. The count encompasses non-combatants killed by military or paramilitary action and the breakdown in civil security following the invasion.

Data is drawn from cross-checked media reports, hospital, morgue, NGO and official figures to produce a credible record of known deaths and incidents. (more in About IBC)

Documented civilian deaths from violence

90,133 98,399

You people are so friggin full of your selves...

This number was proven time and time again to be incorrect and very exagerated. ...

#34 | Posted by bashthis at 2008-12-27 11:56 AM | Reply | Flag

Another gullible bystander thinking his sights are in no way slanted toward his party politics.

There is easily 1 million civilian deaths caused by the Iraq war.

Besides..... Anti-War = Anti-Christian

#34 | Posted by bash this

OK, I will, ignoramous ....

"Blessed are the Peacemakers, for they shall be called the Children of God" - Jesus Christ

Only 100,000 innocent civilian deaths in Iraq.

Gee, that's so comforting a figure compared to a possible million.

"Anti-War = Anti-Christian" simply has to be the culmination of George Orwell's wildest dreams. The Ministry of Truth seeking to legitimize the Ministry of Love's (Pentagon's) Iraq atrocity. Jebus' bones are veritably spinning in that Palestinian cave. herm

Typical of this site... So you must agree that the numbers posted here are BS... 1,000,000 My ass!

You seem all hung up on the AW=AC slogan which I invented in 2003 pre war to drive you leftists nuts....

Works like a charm every time... Every time I type that I get a bible quote from one of you Overly self impressed idiots.

I also stopped counting after I sold the 11,000th Anti-War = Anti_Christian bumper sticker at a buck a pop. You Idiots!

I also stopped counting after I sold the 11,000th Anti-War = Anti_Christian bumper sticker at a buck a pop. You Idiots!

#42 | Posted by bashthis

Thank you! At least we know who not to let over on the freeway.

Bash This

100,000 is so much less egregious than 1,000,000 ... how?

How could anyone say AntiWar is Anti Christian. They are a bald faced liar if they declare that.

Larry

The IBC count relies on the operative word: Documented.

Try conducting a census over there. I'm sure you'll produce 'documented' numbers that in no way reflect reality.

No one will know exactly how many civilian deaths were caused by the occupation until years and perhaps decades down the line.

Besides, 100,000 dead isn't exactly something to cheer about. The figure is abhorrent in itself and belies the human tragedy of displacement, refugee camps, and the 'undocumented' deaths.

Every once in a while an article surfaces revealing a new previously unknown mass grave. People just get disappeared when it's convenient and are never documented.

A sky high number of 1 million dead may seem abstract and unrealistic, while a 'paltry' 100k is within reason, it remains to be seen the final tally.

From IBD:

* IBC's figures are not estimates' but a record of actual, documented deaths.
* IBC records solely violent deaths.
* IBC records solely civilian (strictly, non-combatant') deaths.
* IBC's figures are constantly updated and revised as new data comes in, and frequent consultation is advised.

Now, those talking about the 1 million dead figure are speaking about estimates, because it is impossible to have an accurate picture of civilian death in a current war zone.

So, to compare the IBC 'documentation' of dead civilians to the 1 million dead estimates is literally comparing apples to oranges, or in this case estimates to documentation.

Jesus loves war, as long as he can save the dead.

Oh God Now Jesus has joined the site.

Hey Larry you still hanging out here too? Sad Larry.... Sad

"Oh God Now Jesus has joined the site."

What a pleasant invocation.

For someone who feels pity for the people who frequent this site, you seem awfully active on it.

Like a closet homo bashing his own for being honest.

haven't been to this site in about a year there Jesus...

"bashing his own for being honest"

Honest as 1,000,000 dead in Iraq?

BASH THIS (OK, I will)

Let's say it's only 100,000, the population of Manchester, New Hampshire.

You're perfectly OK with that, eh?

"haven't been to this site in about a year there Jesus..."

Except for that relapse at the end of November and you've been posting all day today.

"Honest as 1,000,000 dead in Iraq?"

Subscribing to the opinion that the occupation could incur an estimated 1 million civilian deaths is not being dishonest.

It is not mutually exclusive to the IBC figures which rely on documented evidence. However, kidnappings and disappearances cannot be included when there are no bodies to count.

From IBC

* IBC's figures are constantly updated and revised as new data comes in, and frequent consultation is advised.

Obviously, the figure you cited today is not the final tally. And the figure of 1 million dead may turn out not to be true. But to rationalize it as anything but deplorable because someone overestimated the numbers is beyond the point of the discussion.

Honest as 1,000,000 dead in Iraq?

Could be as high as 1.2 million by now.

There will never be an exact figure wot with the 4 million refugees wandering around inside and outside the country. The holocaust numbers are still disputed to this day despite the methodical Germanic record keeping so why should Iraq be any different? Particularily when you have an American military in charge who make a point of "not doing bodycounts" on civilians.

One person dead is a tragedy.

One hundred thousand or one million dead is a statistic.

And it's still a tragedy.

Be Well.

You're perfectly OK with that, eh?

Yes I am... people die in wars. Better that the war is over there then us getting attacked again.

Most of the 100,000 Iraqi deaths where retribution type killing and sect related civil war type of activity. I have no problem at all with them killing one another.

I don't see any bleeding hearts in here whining about the real million or so killed on the African Continent over the past decade.... Bush wasn't involved with that so you folks don't seem to care though... You're all a bunch of cool aid drinking Whores. Parroting what ever you hear over the waves again and again Phony Concern for people you truly care less about.

And I couldn't care less Spud.... That Be well crap is so old. You need a new line there.

Creepy realy... Be Well... Sounds like a guy with a bunch of Gay Rubber toys in his house.

You also don't seem too concerned about the fact that most of them were killed by Zarkawi and his friends...

All you know is BUSH Did It!

I stopped comming here because it's like a retard convention...

I liken most of your posts to a bunch of little corky's drawing their paintings and hanging them up at the special school. Then they pat each other on the back for a job well done over milk and cookies....

Don't see you crying over this one there Spud

AIDS death toll in Africa may reach 100 million by 2025

How bout this from the new york times.

Here.... You want to bitch about death in Iraq.... Go here and start counting you swine.

And I couldn't care less Spud....

~Anti-Christ

Yes, we're all too aware that yer inability to care about stuff is only superceded by yer inability to think about stuff.

That's a given by this point and should come as no suprise to anyone.

That sed, it's the strange pride you seem to take in yer own inhumanity and ignorance that's the puzzlement.

Wot's a "gay rubber toy" btw?

A Spongebob doll?

A Twinkie Wink doll?

A battery operated Dumbya doll?

A Larry Craig doll?

A Mark Foley doll?

A Ted Haggert doll?

Esplain to the room how you came to be qualified as an expert in gay rubber toys.

Do tell.

Be Well.

BASH THIS (OK, I will)

If you don't care about the 100,000+ dead Iraqis one would hope you'd be pissed as hell at the 4000+ Americans who needlessly died there.

Look how he ignores the numbers.... 100,000,000 dead in Africa by 2025.... #.8 Million in the last decade from war... Where is your concern for them Spud... Even your name sounds like a Butt pounding homorotic reference. You a Potato farmer?

A Spongebob doll?

A Twinkie Wink doll?

A battery operated Dumbya doll?

A Larry Craig doll?

A Mark Foley doll?

A Ted Haggert doll?

Probably had them all in your spud....

AIDS death toll in Africa may reach 100 million by 2025

How bout this from the new york times.

BASH THIS (OK, I will)

And yet Bush refused to provide condoms for most of them and cut off funding for 100's of medical clinics in Africa. Why? Because they dared mention abortion to the women who'd been raped.

Gee, you're such a tender hearted moron

republicans are responsible for 99% of the earths problems.

would hope you'd be pissed as hell at the 4000+ Americans who needlessly died there.


No Im not pissed about that either. It is sad that that many Americans were killed and wounded. If you talk to the troops though, they still support the war and do not want to pull out until Iraq is able to stand as a nation.

Like I said people die in wars. They all Volunteered for service as I did in the 1980's.

Don't see you crying over this one there Spud

AIDS death toll in Africa may reach 100 million by 2025

How bout this from the new york times.

World Briefing | Africa: Congo: War's Death Toll At 3.8 Million ... query.nytimes.com

The AIDS situation in Africa is certainly deplorable and, despite massive propaganda efforts saying the contrary, George Dumbya Bush's efforts at tackling the problem have actually been counter productive and mostly monetarily beneficial to some of his fundy pals.

The Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Zimbabwe, South Africa, etc, etc?

Africa is a real mess and if you haven't been here in a year how would you know whether or not Spud has made note of the situations there or not?

Be Well.

They all Volunteered for service as I did in the 1980's.

The National Guard guys certainly didn't think they were signing up fer Iraq.

Funny how Bush used the Guard to avoid Vietnam and then used the Guard again to fight his pre-emptive war.

Not the good kind of funny, btw.

Be Well.

One person dead is a tragedy.

I'm not even going to Google the number of people who die every day, or the statistics on cause of death, etc.

Only an idiot presumes that human death is anything more or less than a fact of life. We are all to a greater or lesser degree compelled to preserve our life and resist tyranny.

Islam presents an obstacle in that it demands submission and paves the way for dictatorial rule.

I don't defend the heavy hand of the US Army. But how many would have died, been willing to die, to overthrow Saddam, try him in a public court, and hang him.

BushCo made serious mistakes too numerous and previously well articulated and argued to regurgitate, but we can now see the Iraqis standing up for their own interests. I'm not sure that we can salvage our reputation by providing assistance for improvements to the infrastructure, but we have a moral obligation for turning Iraq into a battle zone after failing the mission in Afghanistan.

Murder will out. A few Blackwater agents learned that, and it will depend on the will to expose the facts and those involved as to whether justice will be done in that case and others.

True justice has become an anomaly in our own courts, so I don't see mass indictments, yet even disclosure, by itself, offers the punishment of opprobrium and that could force BushCo to resort to isolation.

Maybe he can catch up on his reading.

And yet Bush refused to provide condoms for most of them and cut off funding for 100's of medical clinics in Africa. Why? Because they dared mention abortion to the women who'd been raped.

LOL............... That is Histerical man..... So none of the nations in Africa have enough money to build a frigging Condome Factory? Bush has to supply them ?

You sir are an Idiot Extraordinaire!!

George Dumbya Bush's efforts at tackling the problem have actually been counter productive and mostly monetarily beneficial to some of his fundy pals.

You're a zealot and a fucking liar.

So, BASH THIS (OK, think I will)

Most of those 4000 were killed because, in the words of Rumsfeld when asked why the GI's couldn't have sufficient armor on their Humvees, "you go go war with the Army you have, not the Army you want".

The assholes in the WH crowd didn't give a flying flip about the lives of their men.

ONE plant making armor? GI's begging their families to send money so they could buy scrap metal to make ad hoc armor and perhaps prevent more IED inflicted casualties.

You were in the military in the 1980's. Whooptie freakin' doo! Your life was never on the line, worried that at any minute you'd be blown to smithereens by and IED because the WH and Defense Dept. didn't give a shit about protecting your life, and invaded with too few troops and an ill equipped military in light of the dangers they faced.

Gen. Shinseki, Army Chief of Staff testified that we needed "on the order of several hundred thousand' during and after an invasion to prevent exactly what Cheney predicted in 1994 would have happend in Iraq had we invaded in 1991 - with 5 times as many troops in region then.

Bush is a moron. His apologists are morons.

Those 4000+ dead are blood on your hands.

Even your name sounds like a Butt pounding homorotic reference.

Wot's with the homoerotic obsession from the right?

Are you all self-loathing, closeted gays like Dumbya, Larry Craig, Foley, Schrock, Dreier, McCrery, (Paul) Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell, Marc Ambinder, Ken Mehlman, et al

...or just most of you?

Be Well.

BASH THIS (or whatever your other ID's are)

Here's a video of the guy really calling the shots in the WH, the chief mouthpiece for invading Iraq in 2003. In his own words he explains why we didn't invade Iraq in 1991 with 650,000 troops massed on the Saudi-Iraq border:

You're a zealot and a fucking liar.

Sure, Mao.

BUSH AIDS PLAN, LIKE SO MANY OF HIS PLANS, IS "SMOKE AND MIRRORS" "But for Bush's words to translate into an effective AIDS plan, the Administration will have to reverse course on a number of its policies. Of primary concern is the Administration's record of duplicity on AIDS funding. As Africa Action director Salih Booker points out, the White House uses "Arthur Andersen-style accounting methods, counting old money several times and using projections for sums that don't yet exist" when announcing "new" aid packages. Indeed, according to the Wall Street Journal, Bush's "budget for 2004 would reduce by about the same amount the funding that aides had said would be sought for a separate development-aid initiative for poor nations." Moreover, Bush's new funding is spread over five years and begins in 2004 with only a modest increase over prior levels--less than what was authorized by the Frist-Kerry bill, which passed the Senate last year only to be scuttled by the White House.

This isn't the first AIDS smoke-and-mirrors ploy from this Administration. In June Bush announced to great fanfare a $500 million initiative to reduce mother-to-child HIV transmission in Africa. But just weeks earlier he had personally intervened to reduce the mother-to-child funds in a bill sponsored by, of all people, Jesse Helms. The treatment-access group Health GAP reports that this initiative has yet to receive any funding and is tied up in budget negotiations.

Equally troubling is Bush's decision to bypass the multilateral Global Fund, instead earmarking 90 percent of new funding for bilateral aid agreements with fourteen African and Caribbean countries. Bush's announcement couldn't have come at a more critical time for the fund. Having just awarded $866 million in its second round of grants, the fund reports that it "lacks the resources to approve a third round of proposals." According to the fund's Anil Soni, it needs at least $6.3 billion over the next two years. AIDS activists have called on the United States to contribute $2.5 billion of that sum, but the Administration plan offers a mere $200 million a year. Bush's unilateralism and parsimony are all the more puzzling, since within days of his speech, Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson was appointed the fund's chair, putting him in charge of fundraising. Thompson's elevation is at odds with Bush's rebuff of the fund, but Asia Russell of Health GAP says it creates some leverage for activists. "Thompson is making a commitment as a public health official to devote energy and resources to combat the greatest health crisis of our time, and we're going to hold him to his words in terms of policy and funding."

TBC.

Be Well.

BASH THIS

Here ya go, moron:

US cuts funding for condoms in Marie Stopes' African clinics

At best, Bush's plan creates a parallel and redundant funding mechanism that will compete with the Global AIDS Fund. At worst it will be modeled after existing USAID programs, opening the door for right-wing and Big Pharma lobbyists, who will pressure Bush to renege on his pledge to include generics and condoms in treatment and prevention programs, both of which are standard elements of Global Fund grants. As recently as this past December, US delegates blocked a WTO plan to allow developing countries to import generics for national medical emergencies, and USAID currently has a buy-American-only policy that will have to be revised or evaded if Bush truly intends to purchase generics with US dollars.

Also of note, this past summer Bush stripped the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) of $34 million at the request of Republican House members who alleged that UNFPA supported coerced abortions in China--which UNFPA denies--and then shifted that funding to USAID. Many of the same lawmakers also wanted to deny USAID funding to the Population Council for not using abstinence-based HIV prevention programs. Right-wing abstinence groups, including those federally funded by Bush's domestic abstinence-until-marriage program, have taken a keen interest in prevention programs in Africa. They single out abstinence education as the key reason for Uganda's significant reduction of HIV incidence rates. However, Uganda's prevention program combines abstinence and behavior change with condoms, and the most comprehensive data suggest that all three were responsible for lower HIV rates and that abstinence was a negligible factor for those already sexually active"

Ask yourself why you'll be having to say, "President Obama" for the next 8 years and look at a Democrat controlled Congress.

Because idiots like you are the rule rather than the exception in the GOP voting crowd.

75% of Americans think Bush is a disgrace. You 25%-ers get nothing but my utmost mocking disdain. You're a bunch of idiots.

See Also:

Besides..... Anti-War = Anti-Christian

#34 | Posted by bashthis

FF

I don't defend the heavy hand of the US Army. But how many would have died, been willing to die, to overthrow Saddam, try him in a public court, and hang him.

Most of the general staff of the Iraqi Army were on board and ready to arrest Saddam when Bush's daddy called on the Iraqis to revolt. 250,000 were murdered by Saddam in the aftermath of the uprising Bush 41 called for and Iraqis answered - only to be left to fend for themselves when they did.

Sure, Mao.

Duly noted, dumbass.

Let me know when you can produce some buffer to you opinion that isn't written by a Trotskyist whack-job.

You're a zealot and a fucking liar

It's hilarious that BASHTHIS continues to assert himself on this forum despite his loathing for it.

"but I haven't been on in a year..."

Considering you could care less about 100k dead Iraqis let alone 4k dead American soldiers, why do you think anyone here, or anywhere, care about your frequency at DR.

Everyone here is an idiot, but you can't keep away.

Clue me in, when Olberman graces his face on MSNBC, do you habitually scream at the TV expecting Keith's smug face to halt in abrupt consternation and correct his sinful ways?

Don't worry. Jesus loves you. Even if you're confused.

PINCHE

Here's a similar story from Great Britain's Guardian, hardly a Trotsky-ish newspaper:

Most of the general staff of the Iraqi Army were on board and ready to arrest Saddam when Bush's daddy called on the Iraqis to revolt

Spare us the disengenuous bullshit.

Had we done that, there would have been a screeching cacaophony of anti-American liberal assholes like you lamenting the "hubris" and "imperialism" of such a thing---not to mention the requisite, dumbshit conflation of tactical problems (i.e. lack of HumVee Armor) with some government-wide conspiracy of indifference to the well-being of servicemen.

PINCHE

I rarely say this to anyone, but you're a fucking moron.

Duly noted, dumbass

You noted Spud's obvious snarkasm there?

Good, Spud was worried fer a sec that you'd take a page out of yer Rtard bretheren's playbook and interpret that literally.

Let me know when you can produce some buffer to you opinion that isn't written by a Trotskyist whack-job.

Let Spud know when you stop quoting Corporate Propaganda rags, like 99% of America's mainstream media.

Yer a zealot and a really bad fucking liar, Moocow.

Maybe they can slaughter their children in utero to solve the problem, eh?

Yer such a pussy, Pinky.

A zygote aint a fetus aint a child, Mousy.

Every life brought forth on this earth deserves to be one that is wanted and planned for.

Quality of life is important not just quantity, you amoral sack of shit.

Be Well.

How stupid is it to cut funding for condoms on an AIDS ravaged continent while at the same time publicly stating your committment to eradicating AIDS?

Why is it so difficult for you people to make a point without lying?

They didn't "cut funding for condoms".

They cut funding to an organization whose "family planning" activities in China reflected the same sickening view of humanity as Adolph Hitler.

Had we done that, there would have been a screeching cacaophony of anti-American liberal assholes like you lamenting the "hubris" and "imperialism" of such a thing.

Saddam Hussein was a monster.

A monster that was supported by America throughout the worst of his atrocities.

At the end of the First Gulf War there was a narrow window in which he could have been taken out without Iraq being occupied fer years by US troops by HW sed no after first telling the Iraqis to revolt against Saddam.

They did revolt and instead of the support they expected the Iraqis got bupkas from the US.

Saddam then slaughtered the revolters.

not to mention the requisite, dumbshit conflation of tactical problems (i.e. lack of HumVee Armor) with some government-wide conspiracy of indifference to the well-being of servicemen.

BushCo's indifference to the troops well being despite all the hollow rhetoric to the contrary is not some crazy conspiracy theory as you allude, PinchMaoSyndrome, but a stone cold fact.

From allowing the VA to collapse into a mold ridden, under-staffed shithole, to not supplying proper body armour and up armoured vehicles to refusing raises fer the troops while awarding insanely expensive contracts to corporate mercenaries they have shown their disregard fer the troops at every turn.

Be Well.

SPUD

PINCHE got his daddy's ranch, but not an iota of his common sense.

In PINCHE's screwed up zealot world:

-Cutting off funding for condoms was A-OK on a continent Bush was publicly saying he was trying to help eradicate AIDS from. What is THE #1 piece of advice in the U.S. campaign against the spread of AIDS? Gee, could it be condom use?

-Sending in 150,000 troops to invade Iraq without proper armor, failing to armor Humvees after IED related deaths and injuries began to occur daily, Rumsfeld answering a GI who asked why the Pentagon couldn't provide metal to armor Humvees, "you go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want". What a slap in the face to our military!

-YEARS after IED's had killed thousands of American service personnel, the WH and Pentagon have ONE ... ONE company - months of years behind schedule - armoring our new MRAP's.

Every life brought forth on this earth deserves to be one that is wanted and planned for.

I guess that depends upon who does the "wanting" and "planning", doesn't it?

Don't lay your head on you pillow tonight without reflecting upon what a sick fucking sterile view of humanity you harbor.

You'd better hope like hell fate never dictates that I get to decide the degree of "want" or "planning" is necessary for amoral, Nazi bags of shit like you to exist.

Cutting off funding for condoms was A-OK...

Why is it so difficult for you people to make a point without lying?

They didn't "cut funding for condoms".

They cut funding to an organization whose "family planning" activities in China reflected the same sickening view of humanity as Adolph Hitler.

PINCHE

If anyone on this blog sounds like a Nazi, it's you.

Perhaps when you grow up your views will be more realistic and pragmatic.

Right now you sound like a young guy who doesn't know what he's talking about.

You're views are contradictory.

If you ever get to a position of authority to decide anyone else's fate, I'll be for giving Texas back to Mexico.

Look up "HUMANITY". You don't seem to possess any. You're the most mean spirited, closed minded, arrogant person on this site. I can only pray (when I put my head on my pillow) that life deals you some hard lessons in reality and wakes up your thought process.

listen to me you piece a shit! You don't know shit, about fuck, my man.

let's go out back and I'll kick my own ass.

I guess that depends upon who does the "wanting" and "planning", doesn't it?

Meaning wot precisely?

Spud means that a woman owns her own body and a zygote or a fetus is her responsibility, it's her decision to bring to term or not.

Not Mao, not the Church, not the State.

Not her family, her husband or her doctor.

Hers.

There are ways of encouraging smaller family sizes in order to not overburden the globe we live on, ways that fall well short of the admittedly nasty and draconian tactics employed by the ChiComs in their "One Child" policy if that was where you were going with that.

Before you put yer massive Mao-head on yer great big pillow and weep yer nightly tears fer all them "murdered babies" just think fer a minute about the dirty, hungry, angry, unsustainable future for the planet yer ill thinking makes inevitable.

Spud's a Nazi fer advocating peace, prosperity family planning and rationality?

Neep. Wrong answer, thanx fer playing.

As always, Mao, it's you and yer continual apologies fer the death-merchants of BushCo that make you the sad, sick Nazi fuck in this picture.

Spud would say "Nice try" but that wasn't even close.

Be Well.

See, PINCHE?

You don't even read.

The link I put up 10 MINUTES AGO about ONE group of clinics in Africa Bush cut funding to for condoms was posted clear as day.

You're so busy with what YOU have to say you never bother to educate yourself. It really made you look like a disinterested fool (who else does that remind me of? .... Oh, ya, BUSH!).

I posted it right here, 10 minutes ago... ON THIS THREAD!:

If anyone on this blog sounds like a Nazi, it's you.

Actually, its uninformed pieces of shit who write the these kinds of things:

Bush is a moron. His apologists are morons.

Those 4000+ dead are blood on your hands.

You're a dumbass immersed in a sea of left-wing cliches.

The fact you're a middle-aged lounge singer that should probably have outgrown your sophmoric liberalism by now is onlt a testament to your stupidity.

Read a book.

Educate yourself.

Get a fucking grip of reality that transcends the Walt Disney level of understanding you bring to the table.

Read a book.

I've read thousands. You apparently have the same aversion to reading Bush does.

Right on this site, on this thread, I posted one article (there are hundreds about clinics all over Africa Bush cut off funding for condoms), yet you couldn't even be bothered reading IT?

Now, who's the fool who doesn't like to read? How hard would it have been to click a link about Bush cutting off funding.

Bush is responsible for the deaths of 4000+ troops. Saddam posed no imminent threat to us. Fact.

You're so lost in your Bush Love you can't acknowledge the truth if it hit you on the head. Bush IS a moron. You have really looked like one tonight.

What, PINCHE? If an article doesn't come from one of your favored sites it isn't true?

I've seen your choice. May as well be named "FuckingLiberals.com".

I'm not a liberal, I just can't stand Bush because of the reckless arrogance he's shown in leaving this country so much worse than when he took office.

75% of Americans do.

You're in the great minority. If anyone's stuck in their views, it's you kid. I've changed my mind based on new information all throughout my life. You seem allergic to any thought that doesn't originate in your own head or some 1990's looking POS website.

Meaning wot precisely?

Meaning human beings have an intrinsic right to life.

That's "wot".

You sick fuck.

Spud means that a woman owns her own body and a zygote or a fetus is her responsibility, it's her decision to bring to term or not.

A "zygote" and a "fetus" is a human being, and it's not her "decision" to allow it to live---anymore than its her "decision" to murder it because it cries too much, or has the wrong hair color, or the wrong skin tone, or the wrong eye color, or any other accidental physical quality it happens to possess.

just think fer a minute about the dirty, hungry, angry, unsustainable future for the planet yer ill thinking makes inevitable.

Actually, the planet's getting cleaner, better fed, and more sustainable than at any other time in human history.

But all that clashes with what's important---the reduction of humanity into neat, sterile test populations to be tweaked and engineered (through murder, if necessary) until your shitty little notions of 18th century Continental European philosophy realize Utopia.

You're a Nazi, Spud.

Deal with it.

75% of Americans do.

Its a neat thing to have one's acumen challenged by a guy who relies upon polls to validate his.

Walt Disney.

SPUD

PINCHE got his daddy's ranch, but not an iota of his common sense.

~AU

Yes, Spud figured that out a while back.

Wot do you expect from a guy who quivers with moral outrage while decrying "...the same sickening view of humanity as Adolph Hitler in one post after already saying about the Palestinians: ...Annihilate the fucking animals.?

He flips back and forth between his "internet tuff guy" persona and his "massive pussy" persona.

Neither are pleasant or particularily sane.

Spud used to get Mao's postage and Mad Tadowe's postage mixed up all the time back in the day.

Spud though Mao was Tad when he was mostly on his meds.

Spud was just being optimistic that two such massively blinkered cold warriors could not exist in the same dimension at the same time.

Wishful thinking as it turns out.

* deep sigh *

Oh well.

Be Well.

I've read thousands.

It certainly isn't exhibited in the depth you bring to your contributions to this website.

How hard would it have been to click a link about Bush cutting off funding.

About as hard as it would have been to click a link that lauds his funding to the AIDS crisis in Africa.

(Scroll up)

Bush is responsible for the deaths of 4000+ troops.

Actually, the various insurgent groups in Iraq are responsible for the deaths of 4000+ troops.

Let me offer a suggestion.

1.) Read about the world around you

2.) Acquire a variety of premises

3.) Use those premises to form conclusions

Right now, you have it backwards.

And you're probably way too old to be pounding every stupid fucking left-wing cliche in the world into your own version of the Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Meaning human beings have an intrinsic right to life.

Once they are born they do but not until then.

They also have a right to a certain quality of life.

You have no right to force a woman to bring a fetus to term.

None wotsoever.

No matter how often you tell yerself you do.

A pregnant woman has no right or responsibility to carry the child to term and there is no societal control mechanism that can make prohibition of abortion any more effective than alcohol prohibition was in the thirties or the so-called war on drugs is now.

Human beings have a duty to their rationality as well as their animal natures. The rational sentient side of humanity realises that we have a duty to our species and to our planet to make sure we don't over breed endangering both ourselves and our world.

We are either sentient being in control of out own destinies or we are prisoners of our animal natures and destined to choke to death on or own shit like a petri dish full of bacteria that have eaten all the food and reproduced themselves unto extinction.

Spud vote fer sentience and a sustainable future fer mankind.

Mao votes fer mindlessness and possible extinction.

And Spud is allegedly the Nazi in this picture?

Too, too funny.

Speaking of which...

Actually, the planet's getting cleaner, better fed, and more sustainable than at any other time in human history.

Bwa hahahahahahahaha!

Damn, that's some killah material ya got goin on there, Nazi-Mao.

Wot do you do fer an encore?

Juggle flaming kittens?

Be Well.

Actually, the various insurgent groups in Iraq are responsible for the deaths of 4000+ troops.

And who is responsible fer putting the troops in harms way in the first place?

And why was that again?

Non-existant WMD?

To get rid of tyrant who used to be America's BFF?

To put Iraq's once nationalised oil fields into the hands of western based BigOil concerns?

Done, done and done.

And why is America still in Iraq?

Or Afghanistan, fer that matter?

Yer a walking cliche of a Rtard, Mao.

And a reichwing Nazi fuckwit as well.

Be Well.

Get a fucking grip of reality that transcends the Walt Disney level of understanding you bring to the table.

#96 | Posted by Pinche_Mao

Such as?

Top 25 Censored Stories for 2006

1. Bush Administration Moves to Eliminate Open Government
2. Media Coverage Fails on Iraq: Fallujah and the Civilian Deathtoll
3. Another Year of Distorted Election Coverage
4. Surveillance Society Quietly Moves In
5. U.S. Uses Tsunami to Military Advantage in Southeast Asia
6. The Real Oil for Food Scam
7. Journalists Face Unprecedented Dangers to Life and Livelihood
8. Iraqi Farmers Threatened By Bremer's Mandates
9. Iran's New Oil Trade System Challenges U.S. Currency
10. Mountaintop Removal Threatens Ecosystem and Economy
11. Universal Mental Screening Program Usurps Parental Rights
12. Military in Iraq Contracts Human Rights Violators
13. Rich Countries Fail to Live up to Global Pledges
14. Corporations Win Big on Tort Reform, Justice Suffers
15. Conservative Plan to Override Academic Freedom in the Classroom
16. U.S. Plans for Hemispheric Integration Include Canada
17. U.S. Uses South American Military Bases to Expand Control of the Region
18. Little Known Stock Fraud Could Weaken U.S. Economy
19. Child Wards of the State Used in AIDS Experiments
20. American Indians Sue for Resources; Compensation Provided to Others
21. New Immigration Plan Favors Business Over People
22. Nanotechnology Offers Exciting Possibilities But Health Effects Need
23. Plight of Palestinian Child Detainees Highlights Global Problem
24. Ethiopian Indigenous Victims of Corporate and Government Resource
25. Homeland Security Was Designed to Fail

PINCHE

Excuse me if I can't take you seriously. Goatman and I have discussed countless books on history and various subjects we've both read. If you missed that fact it's because you only see what you want to see.

The fact you can't even be bothered to click a link I've posted about the topic we're discussing - clearly stated as from The Guardian UK, hardly a Trotsky-ish newspaper - shows you're all rhetoric and little substance.

An incurious mind is what you have.

As to your opinions about what I do or do not know, you wouldn't have the foggiest clue. You're way too interested in the sound of your own voice to ever hear anything else. Pity. You seem like a bright guy.

As Dan Quayle said, "It's a terrible thing to waste one's mind".

And you were on this site when most of those discussion between GOATMAN and I about books occurred.

PINCHE

Here's another story I read when it came out:

The stories if underarmored Humvees has been reported hundreds of times over a period of years. Again, the fact you would choose to argue that point does not look favorable to you.

Everything I've stated tonight has been reported in hundreds of publications around the world - mainstream, not your choice of 1990's looking POS websites you've used as 'sources' here.

I don't think I know it all. In fact, the fact I know I know very little in the big scheme of things keeps me curious to learn more.

BTW, I gave Bush every benefit of the doubt when he was elected. He earned my mocking disdain through unbridled arrogance that's had tragic results.

Later, PINCHE

Once they are born they do but not until then.

Nien, Himmler.

There's no magical acquisition of status as a valid human being that occurs simply because one crosses the labia threshold.

That's why my nose doesn't have to pay taxes.

They also have a right to a certain quality of life.

No they don't.

Nobody has a "right" to a "certain quality of life".

Furthermore, if I could justify the murder of those who I didn't think could muster said "certain quality of life", I'd have a blank check to eradicate the third world, wouldn't I?

You have no right to force a woman to bring a fetus to term.

And a woman has no right to murder a human being because of his accidental physical qualities or state of physiological development.

No matter how often you tell yourself she does.

Human beings have a duty to their rationality

You're right.

Purging humanity of lesser races is "rational".

So is starving uncooperative (no pun intended) Ukrainians for the greater good.

Liquidating retarded children would save us a bundle in health care costs.

Liquidating the negroes would alleviate a vast majority of our crime problem and social welfare expenditures.

That's rational, Spud.

Actually, the planet's getting cleaner, better fed, and more sustainable than at any other time in human history.

And that's truth, Spud.

And you're still an amoral fucking Nazi who has to camouflage his indefensible worldview in fuzzy little youth-hostel snippets about "sentience and sustainability".

Sick.

Fuck.

So, PINCHE, you're disputing the fact 75% of Americans will be glad as hell to see Bush go?

What scientific training or experience do you have in polling?

*crickets*

And you're still an amoral fucking Nazi who has to camouflage his indefensible worldview in fuzzy little youth-hostel snippets about "sentience and sustainability".

Sick.

Fuck.

#112 | Posted by Pinche_Mao

Best self retort here this week?

PINCHE

Claiming things aren't true because you think so doesn't show much intellectual prowess on your part.

And SPUD's right. You've made more comments about annihilating one group of people or another than any other poster on this site. THAT'S the NAZI line of thinking.

You still want to call others NAZI's? Care to explain the contradiction between your accusation of others "NAZI tendencies" and your own easily searchable comments about annihilating various groups of people?

You know, Spud?

You often brag on this website about how you're a "recovering Catholic" while you simultaneously exhibit one of the most fundamentally perverted understandings of humanity and its condition I've ever seen.

In lieu of your teachings, you're attempting to fill the giant voids in your life with the incandescent stupidity of left-wing politics.

That's sad, man.

Granted, I'm just a stupid-ass, Protestant country boy from Real America, but I have immense respect for the Catholic religion and the role it plays in advancing civilization.

Go back to the Church, Spud.

Find an outlet for your supposed love of humanity that doesn't turn you into a fucking deluded, ignorant monster that murders babies to alleviate a problem that doesn't exist.

You don't have to admit it publically.

Just do it.

So, PINCHE, you're disputing the fact 75% of Americans will be glad as hell to see Bush go?

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything being talked about at this point in the thread.

I'm glad to see Bush go.

People seeking to be taken seriously don't use polls to validate the ideas they promulgate.

Now run along and find something else to talk about. :)

There's no magical acquisition of status as a valid human being that occurs simply because one crosses the labia threshold.

Early first trimester abortions are a no-brainer.

Getting mad at those abortions whether by pills or D&C would be like getting mad at masturbation.

Second trimester abortions should be reserved fer extremely rare life threatening complications.

Fetuses who become viable in the third trimester should be protected by law insofar as their birth doesn't endanger the life or health of the mother.

And a woman has no right to murder a human being because of his accidental physical qualities or state of physiological development.

No matter how often you tell yourself she does.

Can't afford to raise a special needs child?

She should abort.

The pregnancy was caused by incest/rape?

She wants an abortion she gets one.

She has every right cos it's her body, she's the one taking the risks and the responsibilities.

Not you, Mao.

Do you actually think that a society that can't even keep drugs outta prisons will be able to keep abortifants off of the black market?

Will you make the Pill illegal in this Nazi dystopean world you envision?

Cos taken in larger doses the Pill becomes an abortifiant as well.

Purging humanity of lesser races is "rational".

No, it's purely "psycho".

Liquidating retarded children would save us a bundle in health care costs.

And who is advocating that, Mao?

Liquidating the negroes would alleviate a vast majority of our crime problem and social welfare expenditures.

Wow, just wow.

Yer not only an immoral, sad, sick Nazi fuckwit but yer also a racist shithead as well.

Jeez. Who'da thunkit?

And you're still an amoral fucking Nazi who has to camouflage his indefensible worldview in fuzzy little youth-hostel snippets about "sentience and sustainability".

Sick.

Fuck.

Spud's the indefensible one here?

Wow, that's the power of delusion fer ya.

Best self retort here this week?

~Bani

Definitely making that short list.

Looks like yer thread done blowed up real good, Bani!

Check in again tommorow.

Is "another day" after all.

Be Well.

/Really and truly gone now.

Church? you mean the Church who outed the CIA in the mid-70's?

Committee members
Majority (Democratic) Minority (Republican)
Frank F. Church, Chairman, Idaho
Philip A. Hart, Michigan
Walter F. Mondale, Minnesota
Walter D. Huddleston, Kentucky
Robert B. Morgan, North Carolina
Gary W. Hart, Colorado
John G. Tower, Vice Chairman, Texas
Howard H. Baker, Jr., Tennessee
Barry M. Goldwater, Arizona
Charles McC. Mathias, Jr., Maryland
Richard S. Schweiker, Pennsylvania

[edit] Opening mail
The Church Committee learned that beginning in the 1950s, the CIA and FBI intercepted, opened and photographed more than 215,000 pieces of mail by the time the program called "HT Lingual" was shut down in 1973. This program was all done under the "mail covers" program. A mail cover is when the government records without a warrant or notification all information on the outside of an envelope or package, including the name of the sender and the recipient. The Church report found that the CIA was zealous about keeping the Postal Service from learning that mail was being opened by government agents. CIA agents moved mail to a private room to open the mail or in some cases opened envelopes at night after stuffing them in briefcases or coat pockets to deceive postal officials.[4]

PINCHE

Can't afford to raise a special needs child?

She should abort.

Wow.

We can murder our children based on our perceived ability to pay for them?

Sanctity of human life, Spud.

It trumps the socio-economic condition unto which its born.

Life is truth.

"Affordability" is subjective.

Liquidating retarded children would save us a bundle in health care costs.

And who is advocating that, Mao?

You are.

"Rationality" is the basis upon which we decide whether or not a human being may be killed.

Remember?

Liquidating retarded children would save us a bundle in health care costs.

So help me out here, Himmler.

Under what circumstances is murdering people because of particular physiological traits OK?

Meaning human beings have an intrinsic right to life.

#99 | Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-12-28 01:32 AM | Reply | Flag

There is no such right. There has never been such a right. There never will be such a right. That you think there is such a right simply shows your distorted view of reality.

Under what circumstances is murdering people because of particular physiological traits OK?

#121 | Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-12-28 03:02 AM | Reply |

All rights come from the government. If the government says retarded people die--guess what--retarded people die---and no one says shit about it. It happened in ancient Greece, and in Germany.

PINCHE

You never responded to the fact you've called for the annihilation of several groups of people on this very site. Funny you should now be accusing others of not valuing human life, or for those living to have a quality life. You've said the opposite many, many times.

Should only the lives you value have value? Seems that's the preposition you're making here tonight in light of the countless times you've called for the mass annihilation of other groups of people.

Is your moral compass spinning faster than a top of the line gyroscope? You're not consistent at all in your views of life, nor have you responded once to the several posts I've shown your 'thoughts' to be completely at odds with widely accepted facts.

Early first trimester abortions are a no-brainer.

A "no-brainer" to kill?

Why?

Jesus Fucking Christ.

What goes through the head of a sick fuck like you?

You never responded to the fact you've called for the annihilation of several groups of people on this very site.

Hamas doesn't count.

And they won't be slaughtered because of accidental physical qualities they happen to possess.

They'll be slaughtered because they're animals whose self-conscious actions have put them in a position to be slaughtered.

Not because someone "couldn't afford to raise them".

Pinche-
re: "I'm glad to see Bush go."

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-12-28 02:47 AM | Reply

Why? I've not seen you criticize any of his policies or actions - ever. Quite the opposite, so why are you glad to see him go, specifically?

All rights come from the government.

The right to life is God-given.

If the government says retarded people die--guess what--retarded people die---

No, Bobby.

It just means that the government denied the right of life to retarded people.

Your assignment is to read the Magna Carta.

There will be a test.

An essay question on WTC-7, melting steel, and lunar industrialists will be offered for extra credit.

The right to life is God-given.

An essay question on WTC-7, melting steel, and lunar ind

The Magna Carta is a government document and proves my point. All rights come from the government.

No where does God give any rights at all. None. That you think God gives a right to life simply highlights your ignorance of God.

That you deny reality of the Greek and German killing of deformed infants further reinforces the idea that your view of reality is skewed for from the rality of the world.

Prove your point.

Where does God give a right to life?

so why are you glad to see him go, specifically?

I'll let you know when one of your stupid fucking, off-topic rhetorical questions needs to be answered.

Specifically.

That you deny reality of the Greek and German killing of deformed infants further reinforces the idea that your view of reality is skewed for from the rality of the world.

Actually it reinforces my assetion that government denied the God-given right of life to people.

They'll be slaughtered because they're animals whose self-conscious actions have put them in a position to be slaughtered.

Wasn't Pinche on a self-righteous jag where he was calling everyone "nazi" a few minutes ago...and a few hours ago...and a week ago...and last month...?

(LOL... I just realized that I actually typed the words "was pinche on a self-righteous jag" with a question mark at the end of the sentence, as if it weren't a rhetorical question)

whoa, we got a minimalist here.

small in mind and pretty much everything else there on down.

don't worry, Jesus loves you.

Actually it reinforces my assetion that government denied the God-given right of life to people.

#131 | Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-12-28 03:27 AM | Reply | Flag

First---God gives no right to life--your delusions are not reality.

Second--If God did give a right to life, and it was so easily taken away---that right isn't worth a fart in a hurricane.

But facts are---your bleating again and again about some fictional right from some God does not make it real.

No right to life from God.

Simple isn't it.

Awwww, don't be that way, Pinchie. You specifically stated that you are glad to see Bush go, but all you do is defend everything he has done.

So, with what Bush actions and policies do you disagree?

Bob-
You're a fucking idiot.

BetelG

And you have no response. I would say that makes you the fucking idiot. Idiot. Simple isn't it.

Sure, Bob. Let's just leave it at that, with the clear understanding that I think you are a fucking idiot. OK?

Now, there's really no reason for us to converse any further, unless I wish to remind you, myself, or others that you are a fucking idiot - which I may feel necessary to do from time to time.

BetelG

If your only response to a statement is that the person making the statement is a fucking idiot, yo have no reponse.

The point stands.

No right to life from God.

Now STFU little mind or make a response that has some logic in it.

Simple isn't it. Not for you though---you aren't bright enough to know how truly stupid you are.

Bushbot much, Pinche? Oh, I see you do.

don't worry, Jesus loves you.

#133 | Posted by JesusIsGod

Gee, everyone loves everyone here! That's really swell!

It might just make it as one of the top Censored News Stories in the next year in DR!

I think Pinche is hiding from reality--feverishly looking for a source for his Right to Life from God, bullshit.

First---God gives no right to life--your delusions are not reality.

Of course he does.

That's the basis that constitutes the reality of western civilization.

Second--If God did give a right to life, and it was so easily taken away---that right isn't worth a fart in a hurricane.

It can be taken away by many things, one of which is an entity that denies you the right to life.

But facts are---your bleating again and again about some fictional right from some God does not make it real.

Oh, its very real, Bobby.

Every human being has an inalienable right to life.

Oh, every now and then you have a silly little fucker like you come along to prove otherwise.

A few mass graves later people snap back to reality and re-affirm what a great thing it is to be part of a civilization with certain, inalienable rights.

think Pinche is hiding from reality--feverishly looking for a source for his Right to Life from God, bullshit

Did God PDF it?

it's not censored, it's under-reported.

Do you have a source that indicates all rights come from the Government, Bob?

A few mass graves later people snap back to reality and re-affirm what a great thing it is to be part of a civilization with certain, inalienable rights.

#143 | Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-12-28 03:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Unless those mass graves are populated by "animals whose self-conscious actions have put them in a position to be slaughtered."

?

I wanna play this game, Bob.

Do you have a source that indicates all rights come from the Government?

Or are you just talking out your ass, again?

What is the basis for the assertion that the intrinsic right to human life is a statist creation?

If I'm born in international waters, will I fade away?

Like Marty in Back to the Future?

First---God gives no right to life--your delusions are not reality.

Of course he does.

Source? Let's hear God say it. If God doesn't say it---God doesn't give it. Get it?

That's the basis that constitutes the reality of western civilization.

The basis is flawed if that is the case since Jefferson was never given the right to speak for God. Or did you think Jefferson was God. The Constitution is a government document, and all our rights come from it. God is not mentioned in the Constitution, since none of our rights come from God---they come from the government as defined in the Constitution.

No one violates the right to life from God since God never gave the right.

If you can't point to a statement by God that says God gives the RIGHT TO LIFE, then you are simply mistaken. Wrong. In error.

SOOooo---say where God says anyone has ANY rights, or STFU about God-given rights, since you have been proven mistaken by your own lack of support for your statement.

Simple isn't it.

You have a little work to do, Bob.

re: "I wanna play this game, Bob."

That's clear. You've played it before. I've seen it before. Bob says something stupid, harps on it, and you return the favor ad nauseam. It's watching two straw men fight each other for authenticity and depth.

Pinche-
You were much more intelligent before you got religion.

Bob-
You were always a fucking idiot.

Do you have a source that indicates all rights come from the Government?

#148 | Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-12-28 03:52 AM | Reply | Flag

Al rights held by people everywhere come from whatever government they live under. If they have no government--they have no rights. Reference people who have lived in airports for years because their government was in turmoil.

The proof comes from our government--we ask the government for the right to abort--the right to build an addition to our house---the right to work-- the right to walk the streets-- the right to breath. Any of these rights can be taken away at any time, and they have been taken away by the governments of many countries many times---because the government is the controller of all rights.

Now answer the question since I have answered yours.

Where does God say anyone has any rights?

BetelG

Still talking out your ass I see. Was it a difficult skill to learn? Not that I would like to learn it, I was just curious.

I see that lack of logic is till not one of your concerns. Run along little mind--when you have more than personal insults, get back to me. I won't hold my breath.

Anyways - Pinche, you were about to mention one single action or policy of Bush that makes you glad to see him go, which is interesting because you have functioned as a stalwart bushbot on this blog for years. And Bob, I think you were about to branch off into theories about 9/11 and alien abduction.

night y'all

The Constitution is a government document

No, Boboso.

Its not a "government" document.

Its a legal document written by men who understood that the right to life (among others) is God-given and inalienable.

The tenents therein provide for the basis and framework of our government.

God is not mentioned in the Constitution

He's certainly mentioned in the Declaration of Independence.

Remember?

"Inalienable rights"?

"Our Creator"

(Oops!)

You're kind of a silly little fucker, Bob.

One of these days you'll get it all put together, Big Guy.

I see that lack of logic is till not one of your concerns. Run along little mind--when you have more than personal insults, get back to me. I won't hold my breath.

#156 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-12-28 04:03 A

Friday, December 26, 2008
Top Ten Myths about Iraq, 2008

1. Iraqis are safer because of Bush's War. In fact, conditions of insecurity have helped created both an internal and external refugee problem:

' At least 4.2 million Iraqis were displaced. These included 2.2 million who were displaced within Iraq and some 2 million refugees, mostly in Syria (around 1.4 million) and Jordan (around half a million). In the last months of the year both these neighbouring states, struggling to meet the health, education and other needs of the Iraqi refugees already present, introduced visa requirements that impeded the entry of Iraqis seeking refuge. Within Iraq, most governorates barred entry to Iraqis fleeing sectarian violence elsewhere.'

2. Large numbers of Iraqis in exile abroad have returned. In fact, no great number have returned, and more Iraqis may still be leaving to Syria than returning.

3. Iraqis are materially better off because of Bush's war. In fact, A million Iraqis are "food insecure" and another 6 million need UN food rations to survive. Oxfam estimated in summer, 2007, that 28% of Iraqi children are malnourished.

Pinche, you were about to mention one single action or policy of Bush that makes you glad to see him go

Actually, no.

I wasn't.

You just pulled some random point of contention from your ass and presented it in the form of an open ended, rhetorical question instead of formulating a cogent argument with declarative sentences.

I ignored you.

Pinche Mao

The trick is to find where God gives the right to life. Remember? That's the key right there--do that, and I concede the point.

What Jefferson says in the Declaration of Independence has no bearing on any rights or the Constitution.

The points still stand.

1. God is not mentioned in the Constitution.

2. God never gave anyone any rights.

3. All rights come from the government.

4. You are mistaken.

"Its a legal document written by men who understood that the right to life (among others) is God-given and inalienable."

Where does it say that for black, too, in this legal document?

Do you have a source that indicates all rights come from the Government?

Your specious reasoning doesn't count as a source.

Al rights held by people everywhere come from whatever government they live under.

No, Bobby McGee.

Human social constructs of "state" have no bearing on my right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness.

Those things existed long before the concept of the "state" ever did.

You're confusing the concept of "rights" with "the ability to deny rights".

Human beings have an intrinsic right to life.

Look up the word "intrinsic".

You have the intrinsic right to be a stupid fuck.

I have the intrinsic right to smoke my Lucky Strike, finish my beer, eat my supper, and go night-night.

Something tells me we're both about to exercise our rights.

5. Minorities in Iraq are safer since Bush's invasion. In fact, there have in 2008 been significant attacks on and displacement of Iraqi Christians from Mosul. In early January of 2008, guerrillas bombed churches in Mosul, wounding a number of persons. More recently, some 13,000 Christians have had to flee Mosul because of violence.

Bani makes an excellent point, which I see you ignoring like you do all things logical.

What is self evident, is that all rights come from the government. Go to a different government and see what your rights are.

You have been humiliated time and again by your failure to prove your point by showing where God gives any rights, and your inability to admit your faulty "logic".

Jefferson didn't speak for any Creator.

The points still stand.

1. God is not mentioned in the Constitution.

2. God never gave anyone any rights.

3. All rights come from the government.

4. You are mistaken.

#163 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-12-28 04:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

I have to ask again...

So none of the nations in Africa have enough money to build a frigging Condome Factory? Bush has to supply them ?

And....

You folks talk about the 200 Million we are spending there as though it is nothing...

Hey Spud... Why dont you show me how concerned you realy are about the aids problem in Africa... it is astonishing how fast you found a way to blame it on George Bush...

Show me some previous posts from you about this subject...

Also show me where that Mean Ass George Bush states that a woman can't have an abortion in africa after being raped....

This week, the cameras are following President Bush on his first visit to Africa in five years. But to the surprise of many, his trip is not merely part of a tightly choreographed final year in office which includes racking up mileage on Air Force One. A fact that most Americans will not realize is that his administration has invested more in African public health and economic development programs than any other.

Next you'll be telling us how he called them all the N word too.... That nasty mean Ass Bush.

You frigging retard!

Bashthis

The "global gag rule," as this measure is known, was first imposed by Ronald Reagan in 1984, but reversed by Bill Clinton in 1993. It denies federal funding to international organizations that provide family planning services if they also provide reproductive health education and abortion services using money from other sources.

200 million is nothing---its about 66 cents a person.

"Educate yourself, then you won't look so stupid."

Humiliation: Thy name is Republican.

While you were all out Bashing bush....

''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.

We got Robbed by the people you love.

Bashthis

Educate yourself and then you won't look so stupid.

The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act removed regulations that had been in place since the depression. Deregulation killed the economy--not Barney Frank. Gramm was a big economics advisor to McCain---we'd have had more deregulation with him around.

"We got Robbed by the people you love."

I've never "loved" Bush or the people in his administration.

Although I definitely agree with the "We got Robbed" part.

We got robbed by Bush and the people in his administration.

Hans

"You have simply been brainwashed.

Siiiighhh...if only you had one to wash, Boob.

Thanks to Bani for demonstrating the scope of media and Government information spin.

Iraqi death toll: Bush has admitted 20,000; Media & Government report 100,000 based on morgue & hospital surveys permitted by the Military; statistical projections which account for regions where morgue & hospital counts have not been permitted by US Military 1,000,000.

Biggest underreported scandals outside 2008:

1. BushI & Hussein laundered Iraqi food for oil "commissions" through BCCI in the amount of $250 billion, which they split. When BCCI Official revealed this fact during Bankruptcy Hearings in Chicago, public hearings were halted. Three Judges were then appointed to complete the bankruptcy and seal the records. Efforts by Illinois State Attorneys to reopen the hearing have been consistently thwarted by the Feds, for the sake of the Bush Crime Family.

2. Prior to Gulf War I, Kuwait was drilling horizontally into Iraq, stealing their oil.

3. Prior to Gulf War I, US Ambassador April Glaspey told Hussein that the US does not take sides in disputes between Arab States.

4. Ollie North under the supervision of BushI, traded machine guns for cocaine, triggering a crack epidemic in this country. These war and drug crimes were committed against the will of Congress. While the conspirators walk around freemen, blacks by the hundreds of thousands have been locked up for comparatively minor associated offenses for decades.

5. BushI met Iranian officials on Reagan's behalf, in Paris in order to thwart any hostage deal with Carter. Treason, plain and simple.

6. Nixon & Kissinger used a Chinese agent to thwart Johnson's Vietnam Peace Talks to undermine Democratic Peace Candidates. He promised them a better deal. After winning in a landslide he escalated the war. Treason, plain and simple.

You GO! Nut case!!!!!!

The bottom line here is....... We are all idiots if we support one side of the isle over the other...

Both sides are under the control of the corporate pigs who just got very rich off our backs and will continue to rake it in for years to come while we eat the losses to this economy.

We got shammed and Harry and Barney and Chucky Schumer are just as guilty as Bush will ever be my friends...

If you don't see that you need to take your glasses off and wipe the "D" off of the lenses. That's "D" for Denial!

We are all idiots if we support one side of the isle over the other...

Gilligan's Isle?

Hey Nutcase.... Wasn't Nixon on the Grassy Knoll?

Or was that E. Howard Hunt??? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......

Hey wait a minute..... Hmmmmmmmm rymes with Hobo..... That's it! I figured it out.... Nixon was the Hobo on the train!!!!!!! I just saved the world.... YEA!! 4 Me.... Oh Im so brave and true....

We need to stop this nonsense and take back our government...

Both parties are no longer legitimate.. They have been for sale for years...

We can argue for the next hundred years over who did what however the fact remains that we just got ripped off by the people we trusted in a really big scam and they are driving away with the money as we speak...

Run for office and take back the government!

Hound the hell out of your Congressman and Senator to do the right thing. This is so blatant that it's outrageous... Nice that the dems are touting tax the rich... They just gave them the whole roll of cash.... They printed the cash and handed it over to them too... Nice to have new cash... Who needs that dirty stuff.... Don't get me wrong... The repubs are just as in the pocket as the rest.

Gilligan's Isle?

Like I said Americanunity Wipe the "D" off your glasses.

BASH THIS

Dude, have you put booze in your coffee? (snark)

Bush and Co blew through EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS !!!

Give us a break with you talk about wasteful Democrats. Leave them out of it. The GOP have spent like an aircraft carrier full of drunken sailors - more combined than any 6 year period in American history.

NO ONE in the history of America has lowered taxes in a time of war until Bush. Bush increased the size of the national debt more than ALL OTHER NATIONAL DEBT IN OUR HISTORY COMBINED.

Democrats spend money on Americans helping Americans. Today's GOP spends it on a handful of rich cronies at the expense of the average American. The trillions they're using for bailout funds are being scooped up by banks and Wall Street firms who won't even tell us how they spent the money. Those that have disclosed some have spent it on acquiring other banks, not easing the credit crisis. Wall Street firms handed out $1.6 BILLION in bonuses with the bailout money.

BASH THIS

I pointed out you spelled "Aisle" "Isle" with a joke.

My vision is fine, thanks. You might want to double check your posts if you don't want someone making a joke about Gilligan.

The trillions they're using for bailout funds

Last time I checked the Dems were signed on for that one.... You cant just blow off what I posted... What I stated was true... We are witnessing a government totally under the control of the corporate elite.... Don't sit there and tell me they haven't bought people on both sides of th aisle... At this point in time that would be Naive....

We have lost control of this government and this country.. Point all the fingers you like... For every finger you point I can point one too.... That is exactly the way they want it...

BASH THIS

For god's sake, read!

Is your memory so short you can't remember a few weeks ago?

This entire crisis was delivered to us via a message from Sec Treas Paulson, who warned of dire consequences if we didn't provide $750,000,000,000 (billion) in bailout funds.

HIS plan was 3 pages long and contained no provisions for oversight or requirements on how the money was spent. ONLY the Democrats said, "WHOA! Wait just a minute! We can't let our financial system collapse (as Paulson said it would in days), but we aren't going to hand you the $750,000,000,000 (billion) based on your 3 page plan".

You should thank your lucky stars they did.

Please read up and get your facts in order before you post. Thank you.

PS Paulson had that 3 page plan drawn up months before he deemed the rest of America worthy of knowing the enormity and urgency of the looming crisis. Had he deemed Congress and the American public worthy of knowing the house was about to burn down because the kitchen was on fire, we might have been able to put the fire out before it had the whole house engulfed in flames. We certainly would have had more time to come up with a better plan, not the 11th hour bill that we were all told by Paulson was absolutely necessary to keep America's financial sector from total collapse.

Bash,

I deliberately dodged the Kennedy Assassination. But since you brought it up. I don't know who was responsible, but I do know the Government botched the investigation at best and deliberately covered its tracks at worst.

Jack Ruby was a lifelong member of the mob. His career and targeting of Oswald can hardly be deemed a coincidence.

The CIA and Mob have a long history of cooperation around the world, particularly in the drug trafficking sector. Where the CIA has had a heavy handed presence, drug trafficking is rampant. Columbia, Afghanistan, Iran, Vietnam are obvious examples. The reason is the illegal drug industry is an organized surreptitious force within more powerful Governments. Those organizations provide a means for clandestine operation inside other Governments.

The CIA planned the botched Bay of Pigs invasion. They blamed Kennedy for the failure because he refused to provide air support. The Mob lost many valuable assets in Cuba when Castro took over. Return of those assets has been a US negotiating sore point ever since. Even Shrub complains about it today. This is an example of our Government looking out for the best interests of organized crime. Our embargo has impoverished Cuba, not Castro's Communist Policies.

The Magruder film clearly documents the back of Kennedy's head being blown off. Several Doctors at the autopsy have provided sworn testimony to that same fact. Yet, the only official Government autopsy picture shows a complete back to Kennedy's head. Years later the Government refused to extract a bullet from Connolly's neck after he died.

The CIA and Mob had the means and the motive to kill Kennedy. On the other hand Oswalds post assassination departure from his apartment with a loaded weapon is extremely incriminating. But bullets that killed Oswalds neighborhood police officer shortly after his departure were never matched to his gun.

"Is your memory so short you can't remember a few weeks ago?"

So this whole thing is not real or just happened a few weeks ago?

What are you saying?

The Bank Collapse didn't realy happen?

Or....

BUSH Caused the whole thing by himself?

The banks haven't been paying politicians for the last eight years not to impose restrictions on the banking industry?

Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer have not been blocking any such legislation for the last ten years? Under the "Houses for Every Man and Woman" Doctrine?

Almost every gernalist must have been dreaming when they wrote stories like several in the NYT in regard to that.

How stupid is that.... Give it up dude.... Both sides sold us out... Look at that idiot in Michigan selling Obama's seat in the senate... That should be a clear example to you how these people are operating... Thay are all guilty...

"Both sides sold us out..."

The American people don't do nuance. They blame the current occupant, not "both sides." Doubt that? Without using the Googles name one Congressional leader in the 71st Congress. On the otherhand, most people recognize that the president during that Congress (1929-1931) was Herbert Hoover.

Nope. The American people don't do nuance.

"Look at that idiot in Michigan selling Obama's seat in the senate... "

Okay. Please tell us why anyone would listen to political commentary from this person.

Hans

Where to begin .... ?

The Bank Collapse didn't realy happen?

Yes, it really happened. We only found out about it at the 11th hour and 59th second - Paulson said our whole financial system would crash if we didn't bail it out yesterday. Thanks for the heads up, Paulson! (snark)

Or....

BUSH Caused the whole thing by himself?

The GOP's mantra was 'hands off deregulation'. It didn't work in the 20's, it didn't work this time either, did it? Had sufficient oversight been done with regulators and bank examiners, things wouldn't have gotten to this point.

Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer have not been blocking any such legislation for the last ten years? Under the "Houses for Every Man and Woman" Doctrine?

Cough! Cough! Hack!

Bush wanted the 'ownership society' with everyone owning a house. The wellspring of mortgage money came via exotic securites Wall Street created, and mortgage companies that sprung up like dandelions handing out money, encouraging people to say whatever they wanted - without verification. No one in the SEC even looked into those practices. It was Phil Gramm's sneaky insertion into a 1999 Omnibus spending (budget) bill that started this whole mess. It allowed practices that hadn't been allowed since the Great Depression.

Look at that idiot in Michigan selling Obama's seat in the senate

It's Illinois

Almost every gernalist must have been dreaming when they wrote stories like several in the NYT in regard to that.

No comment.

Look at that idiot in "Illinois" selling Obama's seat in the senate

I have to make a correction. I was in a hurry. That make you feel better?

I'm from New York the rest of the country seems insignificant when you live in the center of the known universe.

Illinois... Michigan.... Same thing realy.

"Illinois... Michigan.... Same thing realy (sic)."

bashthis... rightnut.... Same thing really.

Hans

I'm from New York the rest of the country seems insignificant when you live in the center of the known universe.

I saw a funny map of the U.S. several years ago.

Manhattan was huge - a good 3/4's of the poster.

Everything West of the Hudson was tiny .... all the way to California.

My point is that they are all on the same side really...

For-Sale......

Don't let your side off the hook...

I don't care what the general population remembers... Or, who they feel is at fault.

The president has attempted to get legislation into play that would have stopped some of this stuff from going on... It has been all over the damn internet... Even in the New York Times...

The Dems have repeatedly shot that down in the last few years... That is all over the internet too. My point is that they are all crooks and they sold us out on this issue.

This "My Team is better than yours" stuff is just a distraction from reality.

We got ripped off again...

Anunity is abosolutely right.

But he failed to mention that Paulson moved $855 billion without asking and before going to Congress to another $700 billion to wit he added,more would be required.

He's just trying to make foriegn lenders whole that were screwed by Wall Street, saving some buddies along the way. Otherwise no more loans. He promised he would, just before he left office, in order to forestall civil fraud lawsuits. Lawsuits which would be dwarf the Exxon-Valdez for the next twenty years.

BASH

Bush had a Congress controlled by his own party for 3/4's of his Presidency. Wanna fill us in on what stopped him from enacting legislation?

Last time I checked, they rubber stamped every single piece of legislation he proposed the first 6 years of his Presidency.

"I don't care what the general population remembers... Or, who they feel is at fault."

November, 2006: Democrats regain majority control in the US Senate and US House (after only 12 years!). Also, gain majority of US governors and state legislatures.

November, 2008: Democrats increase their majority in the US Senate and US House and capture the White House.

;0)

Hans

It is abvious that this is a waste of time.... You folks will be bashing Bush for the rest of your lives...

As far back as 2003 and beyond, Barney Frank and friends were throwing a wrench in the works.

At least I am getting paid to argue with you.... Normally I am off on Sunday but time and a half is a good thing...

BASH

You're hardly the only rightie who gets paid to blog by the boss who thinks he's paying you to work.

Three Hail Mary's and a $50 bill in the offering may offer you absolution

LOL

"As far back as 2003 and beyond, Barney Frank and friends were throwing a wrench in the works."

#200 | Posted by bashthis at 2008-12-28 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag: Poor, but transparent, attempt at historical revision

Yeah! Tom "The Hammer" Delay just rolled over and let the minority party members, like Barney Frank and friends, do whatever they wanted to do.

Hans

What??? I can't hear you

The party announced Frank as the keynote speaker on Sept. 11 three days after the U.S. government took control of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, costing taxpayers untold billions. That takeover probably could have been prevented had Frank not worked to thwart every attempt to limit the risks taken on by the two government-sponsored mortgage giants.

For 16 years reformers in Congress have tried to improve oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and prevent the government-chartered companies from putting the housing market and the whole economy at risk. All that time, Frank was involved in efforts to block those attempts, and in the last eight years he was a leader of those efforts.

In 2002, shortly before accounting irregularities were exposed at both companies, Frank said, "I do not regard Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as problems," The Wall Street Journal reported. After the Freddie Mac accounting scandal in 2003, Frank said, "I do not think we are facing any kind of a crisis."

But there was a crisis, thanks in large part to Frank, Sen. Charles Schumer and others on the leash of these companies. In Congress, they made sure there was no additional oversight, no additional limit on executive behavior and compensation, and no further restraint on the growth of the companies' mortgage-backed-securities portfolios, among other changes.

The new york times.

"At least I am getting paid to argue with you.... Normally I am off on Sunday but time and a half is a good thing..."

Time and a half? Speaks volumes.

"But there was a crisis, thanks in large part to Frank, Sen. Charles Schumer and others on the leash of these companies. In Congress, they made sure there was no additional oversight, no additional limit on executive behavior and compensation, and no further restraint on the growth of the companies' mortgage-backed-securities portfolios, among other changes."

The American people don't do nuance.

They blame the current occupant.

Please do try again.

Hans

The Wall Street Journal reports this morning, "For years, Washington officialdom enabled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac...to grow until they dominated the U.S. market. ... If there's one decision that is being second-guessed, it's the 1992 legislation that created the companies' regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, or Ofheo. In the 1992 debate, Ofheo came away with fairly weak powers, and capital requirements for the companies were set very low." According to the Journal, "Lobbyists from the companies are said to have strongly influenced the 1992 legislation, particularly in the House Banking Committee, whose chairman then was Rep. Henry Gonzalez, a Texas Democrat. Critics of the companies say that Rep. Barney Frank (D., Mass.), the current chairman of the committee, also helped put forth the companies' arguments."

"The Wall Street Journal reports ..."

Of course it does.

"Critics of the companies say that Rep. Barney Frank ..."

The American people don't do nuance.

They blame the current occupant.

Please do try again.

Hans

Rep. Barney Frank Urges House To Pass Bailout : NPR Bush must have forced him to say that...

Rep. Frank Acknowledges Hiring Male Prostitute as Personal Aide NY Times...
Woops...er... How did that get there..

The biggest censored stories for the year are:

Obama and

The bailouts

"The biggest censored stories for the year are:

Obama and

The bailouts"

Who's Obama and what's a bailout?

My National News Media haven't mentioned either one.

The biggest censored stories for the year are:

Ooh! Spud's got one!

The Fact that all US Aid to Israel is illegal under American Law due to the fact that Israel is an undeclared nuclear state.

Actually, that's been one of the biggest censored stories fer the last three decades or so but Spud thought he'd mention it again just fer lulZ.

Be Well.

Spud.... You worked for Barney Frank?

Pinchy Tuscadero: Liquidating retarded children would save us a bundle in health care costs.

Spud: And who is advocating that, Mao?

Pinchaloaf: You are.

Yer such a lying, nazi fuck.

You continue to equate abortion with murder and it aint.

You refuse to address quality of life issues or the rights of a woman to have control over her own body.

Yer so-called pro-life stance is just another opportunity for you and other weak minded, immoral, control freaks to bully folks and then pat yerself on the back fer yer efforts.

Leave the Church, Mao.

It's fucking with yer head and you were already pretty meessed up to begin with.

Gain some real morality based on sommat others than wishful thinking and thousand year old lies.

Life is truth

Did you pick up that gem from some right wing youth hostel or did you read it on the back of a pamphlet that niceville gave you?

Be Well.

Under what circumstances is murdering people because of particular physiological traits OK?

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-12-28 03:02 AM | Reply

Hamas doesn't count.

And they won't be slaughtered because of accidental physical qualities they happen to possess.

They'll be slaughtered because they're animals whose self-conscious actions have put them in a position to be slaughtered.

Not because someone "couldn't afford to raise them".

Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-12-28 03:15 AM | Reply

Some types of slaughter are Ok with pinche. What happened to their god given right to lie, eh?

Seems God little followers and egotists are mighty selective with his passages.

Hamas doesn't count.

The shorter Pinche Mao: Because I say so.

US Aid to Israel is illegal under American Law

Dimwit. Who pays the taxes that support that aid? Who makes campaign contributions, volunteers, and votes en block on election day?

Maybe you'd have a voice in our government if you did those things...oh, yeah. You can't because that would be illegal.

Doesn't Canuckistan have some juicy bits in the news?

Probably not. Biggest bunch of bores on Earth.

Spud: US Aid to Israel is illegal under American Law

OzoneMaggot: ...oh, yeah. You can't because that would be illegal.

That's wot Spud sed.

Glad you agree.

S'rsly, pre-emptive war?

Giving the most AID to an undeclared nuclear signatory despite it being against the law?

Torture, Kidnapping, extra-ordinary renditions?

It's like the self proclaimed nation of laws has become a nation of scofflaws.

How boring is that?

Be Well.

an undeclared nuclear signatory

Do you see the ambiguity here? Does Canuckistan have some secret intel that proves your point? Any documentation that Israel has nukes? Maybe it's the Big Lie. (Where's Bani when you need him)

Yeah, just another Jewish Conspiracy. Prove it's not.

Besides it was Carter who brokered the deal between Israel and Egypt. They both get aid irrespective of any other assistance...like bunker busters and other tactical weapons.

Egypt is currently gunning down pack rats exiting Gaza. Good for them.

As for what I said, you have no skin in the game. You're just another deep fried MohrOn doing a ventriloquist act that no one finds amusing. You don't know anything about the military that you don't read in Mother Jones and nothing about America that doesn't come out of Rolling Stone. That you are so obsessed over the USA indicates a pathological jealousy that has twisted your mind to the point that you must hide yourself, and play cute with your little tuber.

Spud: an undeclared nuclear signatory

OzAgro: Do you see the ambiguity here?

Yer not gonna try and suggest that Israel doesn't have nukes are ya?

OA: Does Canuckistan have some secret intel that proves your point? Any documentation that Israel has nukes? Maybe it's the Big Lie. (Where's Bani when you need him)

OMFG! You actually are that dumb!

Spud always suspected but never really imagined you could actually be that disingenuous/ fatuous/ stOOpid but there ya go.

OA: Yeah, just another Jewish Conspiracy. Prove it's not.

You like conspiracy? You luff this one...

The US Central Intelligence Agency believed that Israel's first bombs may have been made with highly enriched uranium stolen in the mid-1960s from the US Navy nuclear fuel plant operated by the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation, where sloppy material accounting would have masked the theft.[18][19]

Before America's unofficial sanction the French and the Brits had been helping out the Israel nuke program since the late fifties.

So we were stupid for wanting to sell them superior equipment manufactured in the US rather than let two other members of the security council get the business...and if I remember correctly, at that time Canuckistan was still bowing to Lizzy. Bless your hearts.

So we left things as they were, ignored the obvious, and that is called diplomatic strategy. The defense of Israel is a moral strategy. The Jews in Palestine were under attack before WWI, and immigration made the area target rich. Well, we're not going to let any country annihilate Israel and we're not going to oppose their response to attack.

To be clear, the root of these problems lies in Arab and Egyptian intolerance, British indifference, and French interference. The United States is not a barrier to peace in the Middle East and never has been.

The Muslims have a choice. Live in Peace or Die.

You have a choice. STFU or be ridiculed.

To be clear, the root of these problems lies in Arab and Egyptian intolerance, British indifference, and French interference. The United States is not a barrier to peace in the Middle East and never has been.

In many respects, yer realpolitik analysis is quite correct excepting that you seem to think that "don't ask don't tell" works.

In terms of who is and who is not a barrier to peace there are no angels here. The Pals started out half nuts and the Israeli's nazi-esque plan of continual war, occupation, humiliations, starvation, ghettoisation and unkept treaties fer thirty years has only made them nuttier. Just because instability is easier to manufacture than stability doesn't make it a good idea. The reality here that you fail to get is that the only real impediment to peace in this area is the US and Israel.

The US and Israel are the only ones who have the power to enforce any type of peace.

And neither do.

And both say it's all cos of the bad ole Palestinians.

And the world recognises the Lie.

Lies are a shitty basis for a peace process.

The Lie about Israels nukes needs to go.

Now you can likewise go.

Go and ask yer mommy fer a big steamy mug of STFU.

/If you ask real nice Spud is sure she'll put some of them li'l mini marshmallows in that you so seem to enjoy.

Be Well.

And the world recognises the Lie.

The Big Lie.

An empty accusation?

I really do hope the Israelis have nukes and the ability to deliver them in retaliation. So you say some law requires disclosure. Guess what? Even if you're right...We can enforce it or not.

What are you going to do about it?

You're a half-assed ventriloquist and a full time dummy.

KMA

"I really do hope the Israelis have nukes and the ability to deliver them in retaliation"

Jimmy Carter says they have over 150 nukes to possibly 300...

The biggest censored stories for the year are:

Ooh! Spud's got one!

The Fact that all US Aid to Israel is illegal under American Law due to the fact that Israel is an undeclared nuclear state.

Actually, that's been one of the biggest censored stories fer the last three decades or so but Spud thought he'd mention it again just fer lulZ.

Be Well.

#212 | Posted by dethspud

Absolutely one of the biggest ongoing censored stories around!

I'm from New York the rest of the country seems insignificant when you live in the center of the known universe.

#191 | Posted by bashthis

Hail the Vikings today then:>)