Sounds like 101 to me.

Interesting parallel.

"How's that different from welfare....?"

Oh, I don't know. Because your owner doesn't get to rape your children in front of you and then sell them off? Just a guess.

If slavery was that good-crap it's not worth the effort.

With these wages all that some can afford is room and board. So what's the difference to those poor souls?

LIKE-How about death on a mere whim for starters?

"Does anyone wonder why the wingnuts seem to be losing it?"

No.

Gee, Mr. Quninn, I think the same could be said for the jews who were worked to death by the Nazis. Plus some got to work on history making ventures like the V-2!!!

Sounds like the Right is going back to its roots.

Palin/Jim Crow 2012....

"Does anyone wonder why the wingnuts seem to be losing it?"

Which ones? The left wingnuts or the right wingnuts?

I guess this was to be expected from the fringe rightwing, them having to put up with a black President and all.

Rush, this clown, and apparently several others are circling the wagons and letting their racist flags fly.

Sounds like the Right is going back to its roots.

Palin/Jim Crow 2012....

#8 | Posted by northguy3 at 2008

aw yes here we go again

sarah and jim crow

hey NORTH........any idea what jim crow was about?
something about the FRIGGIN SUPREME COURT OF THE USA ......so I guess there were nothing but right wing wackos on that court???

it was another time and another place..

OOPS SHIT>>>>IM sorry....maybe YOU WERE THERE FOR ALL THAT>...........lol

Palin/Jim Crow 2012....

#8 | Posted by northguy3

Jim Crow? I love that with a splash of soda. Good stuff, you betcha!

Love, Sarah

While what he said could be construed as offensive simply by virtue of what he is comparing, I'm trying to figure out what he said that was factually incorrect. Anyone?

He implies that the single difference is that, "the slave worked for it.", which is factually incorrect.

Perhaps if you closed your eyes and your fists real tight and tried really, really hard..... you might eventually think of some other fairly obvious differences.

I'm trying to figure out what he said that was factually incorrect.

O, I don't know..the random whippings, crummy food,the castrations, the watching your children being sold in front of you, the inability to get married, learn to read or write, or just the whole work till you die thing, Joe.

And Rusty-I know you love a good law preventing the colored from getting uppity and all. Do thye let the darkies use the same computers as you, or do they just get their "Colordeds Only" C-64s, down there in Texas?

"I'm trying to figure out what he said that was factually incorrect. Anyone?"

Even if all welfare recipients didn't work - which actually isn't true - it isn't an intellectually honest way to compare the two institutions.

It would be like if someone raped you in the ass and then I said the difference between that person and your mother is that one is a blond and the other is brunette. It may be one difference but it certainly isn't the most relevant one to focus on when judging the value of the two people.

And you aren't stupid and didn't need that explained to you.

Well for starters slavery was only practiced by white Republicans in the south who raised little republicans that were destined to vote for Bush. What I find interesting is history always leaves out the biggest proponents of slavery, and that would be black people in Africa catching and selling their enemies to the slave traders...

If he implied that was the only difference, he'd be wrong. I didn't read the comment that way. Saying "there is a difference" is not the same as saying "this is the only difference."

Nevertheless, if the only basis for your outrage is that he counted wrong, I think it might be time to moveon.org.

And Rusty-what part of "back to its roots" didn't you understand?

Here's another for you Joe, how about comparing the base motivations for each.

Welfare-A system set up so that members of our society that are least capable of taking care of themselves can have basic subsistence.

Slavery-A system set up to provide cheap exploitable labor to help make greedy people richer.

They're pretty much at opposite ends of the spectrum.

I don't need all the differences between slavery and welfare pointed out to me. I'm simply asking whether what he said is wrong - it isn't wrong - the difference he pointed out was correct. I agree with Sully that there are more important differences to focus on. But being the host of his show, he can focus on whatever he wants, and I don't think he said anything that was wrong.

and that would be black people in Africa catching and selling their enemies to the slave traders...

#17 | Posted by ATaxpayer

So it's the dealer's fault when someone becomes a junkie? Not quite what I'd expect to hear from the "personal responsibility" party.

Slow Joe

"Oh, wait a minute, hold on a second. There is a difference: The slave had to work for it."

If you did not read that as inferring A single difference, then perhaps you should take advantage of the reading comprehension classes taught at your local Jr. College.

Dorky - is saying "there is a difference" the same as saying "there is only one difference?" If so, please explain.

"O, I don't know..the random whippings, crummy food,the castrations, the watching your children being sold in front of you, the inability to get married, learn to read or write, or just the whole work till you die thing, Joe."

Figures that Joe would be pro-slavery. Typical Losertarian.

"I'm simply asking whether what he said is wrong - it isn't wrong - the difference he pointed out was correct."

Except it actually is wrong. Some welfare recipients do work.

And even if it were true, that is a superficial difference to focus on when comparing the two. So his motives for focusing on this superficial, factually incorrect difference come into question. Seems fairly obvious that he was focusing on a superficial, nonexistent "difference" in order to portray slavery in a positive light when compared to welfare, which is assinine.

Playing stupid is not as impressive as you think. You should stop.

Who said I was pro-slavery? Another lie from Null Set.

Joky

Taken with the preamble of, "Oh, wait a minute, hold on a second.", the inference is plain to all but the most stubborn pettifogger..... oh, wait a minute, hold on a second.... I forgot who I was talking to. Nevermind.

Nobody's trying to impress anyone. Anyone who works doesn't "work for" their welfare check. So the fact remains that nobody can point to a single thing he said that was wrong. They just don't like the difference that he decided to focus on because there are other more obvious and glaring differences.

Jim Crow? I love that with a splash of soda. Good stuff, you betcha!

Love, Sarah

#12 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

DAMN IT TO HELL SA.....thanks a lot you sumbitch

now that you reminded me I am going to have to go and get a little of jim crows brother for tonight and tomorrow.........I think its his cousin with the same first name actually..............mister beam I believe
( actually thanks for reminding me.......its this 15,000th time to hear 'SLEIGH RIDE" that makes me drink................)

"Which ones? The left wingnuts or the right wingnuts?

#9 | Posted by goatman "

Please pay attention.

#17 | Posted by ATaxpayer
So it's the dealer's fault when someone becomes a junkie? Not quite what I'd expect to hear from the "personal responsibility" party.
#22 | Posted by TFDNihilist

Slavery was wrong period and should have been abolished as it was, I think everyone involved should have their part in history especially the "dealers" who were black tribesmen living in Africa and selling their enemies to slave traders, the problem is history tends to ignore facts that are uncomfortable.

( actually thanks for reminding me.......its this 15,000th time to hear 'SLEIGH RIDE" that makes me drink................)

Posted by bushlovertwo

I'm having the same problem with "I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas".

and the irony as well.........ataxpayer....when founders wrote...all men created equal and then they SHOULD HAVE said in fine print at the bottom..
well anyone with nappy hair and black skin will only count as 2/3rds or whatever it was they came up with.
in my reading from this area lately, it is interesting how each of these founders came to grips with that irony but one thing they ALL had in common...they didnt want to buck the system so they made it as good for the slaves as they could without giving them thier freedom..
I believe it was washington who refused to sell one member of a family away from that family........now I am not saying that makes it all okay..just that there MUST Have been some feelings of hypocracy there..........

Anyone who works doesn't "work for" their welfare check.

#29 | Posted by JOE

Not true, in Pa. some people have to show 20 hours of work or they get bounced. In some states you have to sweep streets and other such things to get welfare.

There are a lot of folks you always assume that people who receive welfare don't work which is total BS. There are several forms of welfare and probably most people that recieve it work to some extent. If you are a single mom working for less than $7-$8 an hour, chances are you are getting some help.

some welfare recipients are white
not black

a comment comparing slavery and welfare is directly pointed at american blacks.

as if american blacks are the only ones on welfare

"Anyone who works doesn't "work for" their welfare check. So the fact remains that nobody can point to a single thing he said that was wrong."

Except I did. And now you are pretending that I didn't by adding qualifiers that the original speaker did not. Not only that but your qualifier doesn't make any sense. Yes, nobody works for their welfare check. And slaves didn't work for room and board. They worked for nothing. Slaves had to work whether or not they were getting fed that day. The room and board was supplied for the same reasons farm animals are given room and board.

"They just don't like the difference that he decided to focus on because there are other more obvious and glaring differences."

Because they considering his motives for doing so, as any halfway intelligent person would do. As much as you want to pretend that his motive is not important when one forms an opinion about this statement, it is.

I'm having the same problem with "I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas".

For me it's 'Little Drummer Boy'. I haven't heard it yet, and I'm hoping that this will be the first christmas in my life I won't.

Pah rum pah pum motherfucker!

;0

This radio host has a good point. These welfare fucks would not even make good slaves. You would wear out your cat-o-nine-tails trying to make them work.

Welfare-A system set up so that members of our society that are least capable of taking care of themselves can have basic subsistence.

Give them a college education and they are still on welfare.

Show them jobs within 2 miles of their home and they will turn them down. Why take a job that pays less than what Welfare and free medical provides?

There are those that need welfare. Welfare, IMO, should be like Unemployment Benefits. It's insurance and it runs out. You eventually have to get a job to be able to get back into the Unemployment line for benefits.

"These welfare fucks would not even make good slaves."

Making a good slave shouldn't be a source of pride.

Of course, most people on welfare are white, usually poor white women, but let's not let the facts ruin FuckWit Thom's delusions.

SULLY,

You can be proud of the way liberal welfare programs have destroyed the Black family structure. The Black familky was stronger under slavery.

"The Black familky was stronger under slavery."

Would someone please buy that man a history book?

Or a clue.

Or a brain.

I've always heard that slave families were very tight knit. Is this not true?

"I've always heard that slave families were very tight knit. "

I'm hoping that was a joke.

No, it wasn't a joke, danforth. I took 'tight knit' to mean their relationships with each other, not the fact that they may be separated against their will.

That's how I've always used the term 'tight knit' anyway. Perhaps it is used differently where you live.

This radio host has a good point. These welfare fucks would not even make good slaves. You would wear out your cat-o-nine-tails trying to make them work.

#42 | Posted by fwthom at 2008-12-24 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Merry Christmas.

I've always heard that slave families were very tight knit. Is this not true?

#49 | Posted by goatman

I suppose that if your expecting your mother to be sold and dragged away in chains any day now, you might want to bond while you can.

Watching folks spin insanely while trying to defend the indefensible here is downright entertaining.

Watching folks spin insanely while trying to defend the indefensible here is downright entertaining.

If you want to call me explaining what a 'tight knit' means to me spinning, I'm glad I was able to provide you with such simple minded entertainment.

BTW, I was defending nothing. I have no idea where you came up with that notion. On this topic I asked a question, then explained what a certain term means. Where is the defense in that?

"Because they considering his motives for doing so, as any halfway intelligent person would do. As much as you want to pretend that his motive is not important when one forms an opinion about this statement, it is."

Whatever his motive was, that doesn't affect whether what he stated was true - which was the only question I asked at the beginning of the thread. As much as you want to think he was a mean person for only focusing on that minor difference, it doesn't make what he said incorrect.

"The Black familky was stronger under slavery."

Sounds like fukwitthom has been "drinking" too much of johnson's "koolaid".

LIKE-How about death on a mere whim for starters?

#6 | Posted by keith204

of course you are wrong....

State v. Hoover (North Carolina, 1839) and State v. Jones (Alabama, 1843) were considered sensational because slave owners were punished for savagely "correcting" their slaves to death.

Goat, I bet slave families were more tight-knit than many well-off families today.

Joe, the radio host is wrong. The slave didn't have to work for it. He's wrong. They only fed and sheltered the slaves the way they fed and sheltered animals. If you don't feed the animal and take care of it well, it will be less productive and die.

I can't see how self-respecting soul can want to defend this piece-of-shit radio host. Damn.

The fact of the matter is that slaves did have to work, and most welfare recipients do not have to work. Forced slavery is a horrible thing and should not be cast in a positive light - but to point out that slaves worked and welfare recipients do not just doesn't seem that horrible to me, despite the enormous chasm between the two situations.

Maybe because welfare recipients are not chained and sold in the public square, separated from their families?

some welfare recipients are white
not black

a comment comparing slavery and welfare is directly pointed at american blacks.

as if american blacks are the only ones on welfare

#37 | Posted by klifferd at 2

this is REALLY GOING TO HURT but I think you are wrong here klifferd but not in a way that you might think that I am going to point out
I thought that I read that there are more WHITES On welfare than there are blacks..
is that incorrect?

I can't see how self-respecting soul can want to defend this piece-of-shit radio host. Damn.

#58 | Posted by Scrumplet at 2008

well I think that you have to be carefull in condemning him without hearing all of the comments made during the course of the entire show or something....sometimes that makes a difference

and what I can take out of what he is saying is that blacks on welfare are STILL SLAVES in some respects.....they are slaves to the democrat party who really has no intention or desire to EVER get them off of welfare...then who would they NEED if they didnt need dems to keep them going without working.....

and OH YEAH>..remember this

WELFARE WASNT WORKING..........not until a REPUBLICAN CONGRESS took clinton screaming and yelling into signing the bill at that time into law.

and NOW of course he takes full credit for it

its this 15,000th time to hear 'SLEIGH RIDE" that makes me drink................) --Posted by bushlovertwo

I'm having the same problem with "I Want a Hippopotamus for Christmas".--#33 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Slavermaster Joe's just pissed off that he can't own slaves.

Not true Null Set, I clearly own you. Every time I post it's like cracking a whip, and there you are, at my service.

#64 | Posted by Phoenix

Not true Null Set, I clearly own you. Every time I post it's like cracking a whip, and there you are, at my service.

LOL. It used to be me whose butt his nose was always in. No offense, Joe, but I'm glad he's found someone new to troll. My ass was growing weary of him.

He's been on my ass since 2004. I'm his original owner.

You two ought to get a room.

You'd be scraping at the door.

"As much as you want to think he was a mean person for only focusing on that minor difference, it doesn't make what he said incorrect."

I didn't say you're mean. I said you are deliberately obtuse in this case.

And your assertion that what he said is true has been torn to shreds. It isn't true in many cases. Some people on welfare have jobs. Some welfare programs necessitate community service.

"I didn't say you're mean."

Read my post again. I said "as much as you want to think he is mean."

"And your assertion that what he said is true has been torn to shreds."

No it hasn't. He never said that people on welfare don't have jobs. He said they don't have to work for their welfare check.

You two ought to get a room.

I already have several.

Joe and Goatman, up in a tree...

Pallin'

"He never said that people on welfare don't have jobs. He said they don't have to work for their welfare check."

Well that comparison only makes sense if slaves were working for something. They were working for nothing. I explained that to you hours ago as well.

I don't think the guy is being mean. I think he's a total idiot.

And what the guy said is that people on welfare don't work.

Nullset always acting crappy
T-R-O-L-L-I-N-G

Fuck, Joe, he came back to me. Please, you own him -- get him a way. He's like a booger on my finger that I can't flick off.

look its pretty simple

the people on welfare who dont even look for a job or who have another baby to increase their payday are the ones who need to be investigated.
I know of some people who are on welfare not because they cant get a job but because they cant get the JOB THEY WANT...
and you ont always get what you want

MY dating record will prove THAT to you....

This is the time and place for handouts, the people love the handouts and Barry's the man to give it to you.

The analogy is dead on but not PC. Ppl don't want to face the truth, it's much more comforting to know about it and pretend it's not there.

Or better yet, like many here, argue in defense of the pitiful truth, this way actual and Un-PC comments are derogatory instead of the act itself.

Your on welfare, hard times....understood. Job retraining, schooling time, whatever is necesary to make you marketable. 2yrs. 3 max of this is understandable. But to LIVE this way and bring in the yutes to live this way also is the norm, accepted and as seen here defended.

Handouts, thats what this generation and country are about these days.

Thats why the WW2 era was called the greatest generation ever and history will look back on this one as the weakest ever.

Go Barry Go!!!

"what the guy said is that people on welfare don't work."

No he didn't. The exact quote was "There is a difference: The slave had to work for it."

Although I will agree that the comparison does not make sense since slaves didn't receive compensation for their work. I guess he was wrong after all.

"This is the time and place for handouts...."

If recent and ongoing history demonstrates anything, it shows teh reality of the American kleptocracy.

That kleptocracy IS NOT populated by welfare recipients. It is populated by people like George W. Bush, people that steal---Not to make a living or scrape by---But to make themselves rich.

To make America work we'll have to fix the rich first because they've been causing the most damage.

would it be racist to ask a healthy welfare recipient to spend 2 hours a week doing neighborhood cleanup before receiving benefits? in my state it is.

To make America work we'll have to fix the rich first because they've been causing the most damage.

yes,oprah, goerge soros,babs,bill clinton,bill gates,al gore,the kennedys and the list goes on and on.

"The list goes on and on...."

Indeed. Time to get over the idea that rich means successful or better. That concept benefits only one group I know.

Don't ya' just love how things are taken out of context?

Or what the person said next to explain what the heck they are talking about?

As in the person who is a slave has no freedom as they work for the master and get nowhere in life.

The same can be said for people on welfare--they have no freedom, as they work for the master gov't, and they get nowhere in life.

"would it be racist to ask a healthy welfare recipient to spend 2 hours a week doing neighborhood cleanup before receiving benefits?"

Depends on who is asking who. Everybody knows who asks such questions, why and where they're coming from but saying so will get you called divisive by those who stand by and benefit from such attitudes being spread about.

If I were a conservative I would work as hard as I could to disassociate myself and my party from vile racists like this Quinn character.

Welfare recipients are rewarded for breeding when they cannot afford the child(ren).

Working people get the bill.

How is this fair?

The funniest part of all is those who are getting the bill actually are stupid enough to defend those who are taking advantage of them by breeding!

Procreation should not be subsidized by others.

Procreation should not be subsidized by others.

#89 | Posted by Sluggo

I suppose then you are for eliminating the dependent's deductions on your taxes?

How is making fun of stupid welfare fucks racist?

We are all slaves to the Tax Man unless you are a rich Wall Street Banker or a Politician.

Biggest Crooks and Slackers? Its of course all those Right Wing,Republican Criminals!!!

...and also Mr.Right Wing Talk show Host (i.e.Big Mouth) those Right Wing Republican Entities and Corporations like the Federal Reserve and EXXON and Haliburton etc did criminally conspire to "Lie,Deceive,Embezzle and flat out Rob and Steal Thousands of $Billions (Trillions) of Dollars from the American taxpayers! So Shut the Fuck Up!!!

The Death of America
Posted by Badeye on Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:35:59 AM
Prior to his Coronation as the first African Citizen to be sworn in as President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has traveled to Hawaii to clear up some loose ends that could cause some very troubling problems back home in America. Namely doing what can be done to produce a forged Birth Certificate to prove a lie that he is a natural born citizen of the United States of America.

While Obama is on this mission, his foul mouthed sidekick, and partner in crime, Rahm Emanuel is in Africa doing the same dirty deed for his Chicago Gangster Boss.

This is going to turn into a nightmare for quite a number of American Politicians that know the truth and are guilty of Treason for their part in attempting to cover up this growing conspiracy (Fubar).
I believe that Hillary and Bill Clinton know the truth and her blackmail reward is Secretary of State under her African Imposter.

Obama's cousin Raila Odinga who ran for President of Kenya and was defeated by Mwai Kibaki, by a margin of 230,000 votes instructed his supporters to riot in the streets and they did just that, Killing thousands and burning Christian Churches, many with worshippers inside. Odinga was rewarded for getting so many votes by being appointed Prime Minister of Kenya.

The biggest problen I have is the fact that so many blacks in America voted for Obama for the sole reason he will solve all their money problems and pay their bills and whatever other creature comforts they desire. The fact is Obama's ancestors were the slave traders that sold slaves to the Northerners here in America. Thats kind of like voting for the Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan for President of the United States. I think America has turned into a coward and the founding fathers are probably ashamed to be Americans, wherever they are now.

The United States Supreme Court has had multiple chances to challenge Obama's claim that he is a natural born citizen, but they too are cowering under their black robes afraid of what the truth will bring. The Court ruled that citizens have no right to challenge Obama's proof of birth and we are supposed to accept his photo shopped copy of a forged birth certificate. Whatever happened to:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it.

Are we not the Governed?

Until Barack Obama shows proof that he is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America he will only have the support of the half of America that contributes nothing to America's posterity, hopes and dreams along with the members of the house and senate that are in bed with the crimes being commited against the American People.

badeye you are tool. The documents he has shown are plenty good enough for most Americans.

"he will only have the support of the half of America that contributes nothing to America's posterity"

All your side produces is incest and fear. Maybe you should try moving to a country that will accept your bigotry and cowardice. We are moving ahead as one Obama Nation.

No Rasta No!!! Don't drag us all kicking and screaming into the birth certificate thing again. Only complete morons still cry that song. Don't let Browneye drag you down.

"The half of America that contributes nothing to American prosperity...."

Ye be silly, BADEYE. Just silly.

Well for starters slavery was only practiced by white Republicans in the south who raised little republicans that were destined to vote for Bush. What I find interesting is history always leaves out the biggest proponents of slavery, and that would be black people in Africa catching and selling their enemies to the slave traders...

#17 | Posted by ATaxpayer

Actually, slavery was practiced by DEMOCRATS. (Yes, the same people still hold the slaves chains and depend on them for power.) As an even greater irony, Obama is not the descendant of slaves. More likely he is the descendant of a man who was selling the slaves. Now he is managing the business of slaves. What a laugh!

Then Northguy says: O, I don't know..the random whippings, crummy food,the castrations, the watching your children being sold in front of you, the inability to get married, learn to read or write, or just the whole work till you die thing, Joe.

Let's see...Welfare discourages marriage (you get more if you don't know who the babydaddy is.) Welfare food could hardly be said to be good. I hate to further disillusion you, but there are many inner city youth that do not want to learn how to read (that is the white man's learning...they don't need none of that.) Now, the overseers aren't white any more and the random whippings and castrations have given way to drive bys, but the statement still seems true. The major difference is the slave worked for it! The one true statement in North's rant is the slave worked until they die. The welfare recipient - more often than not - hasn't worked since he was born.