*** Cheney Defends Gitmo, Waterboarding ***

......so when his trial comes up, we can waterboard him to get the truth out ??.....

I think it would be admirable if the powers that be in the media refrained from any more interviews with Cheney or Bush.

Cheney has yet to realize it, but thanks to his short sighted, inhumane, greedfucking thinking, al Qaida has outsmarted him and the whole US military. The treaty Bush signed on Sunday was a victory for the Shiites and Iran

Doesn't mean al-Qaida will prevail, it just means we need new leadership smart enough to win a war, not just a battle or rendition and torture without trial.

Maybe he does realize it, but refuses to admit it and is rolling out the spin machine.

There is nothing wrong with Waterboarding. VMI has used waterboarding as part of hazing for decades

Water boarding and pictures with underwear on a persons head hardly equate to being boiled alive in acid, or having your dick cut off and shoved down your throat while you are set on fire to burn alive or having your head cut off with a butcher knife. I will gladly take a day of water boarding if liberals will have a day of what I just described, of course you will not be able to retort ever again because the torture used by the religion of peace and their followers is DEADLY...

DEAR SANTA,

FOR CHRISTMAS THIS YEAR COULD YOU STOP VP CHENEY AND PRESIDENT BUSH FROM MAKING ME TO BEND OVER AND TAKE IT?! I AM SO TIRED OF THIS MOLESTATION AND TORURE.

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP SANTA!!

Taxpayer, you wouldn't last 3 minutes being waterboarded so stop making yourself look like an even bigger ass that you already do on a daily basis.

timbicile and taxfucker seem to think that just because they can think of worse forms of torture, then waterboarding is not torture if it is being used against a non-white person.

Fucking assholes like them don't discriminate against Christian Terrorists, do they? All Catholics and Protestants are terrorists, aren't they? The fuckers in Northern Ireland on both sides are terrorists, do by the Rtard 'logic' ALL Christians should be treated as terrorists.

briwo, you wouldn't survive at all being actually tortured which is my point stupid ass, so stop making yourself look like an even bigger ass than you already do on a daily basis...

Former FBI Director, Louis Freeh, who is also a former U.S. Attorney and U.S. District Judge, is firmly against both these tactics and the lack of due process for detainees. I just finished his book. Around pages 280-300

interesting interview. during the waterboarding conversation (the part left out in this article), cheney goes on to explain that the military gleaned half of all its knowledge on AQ from waterboarding Sheikh Mohammed.

in an interview about a year ago with a cia official present at his waterboarding, the official said that they had tried all the other 'uncomfortable' tactics on him, but after 25 seconds of waterboarding, the guy gave up and detailed over a dozen future AQ attacks.

if waterboarding is so harsh in your opinions, should we also stop putting our special forces through it as its part of their training? should we have simply held Sheikh Mohammed and pray that he gives us the info? fortunately for all americans, we will never know what was in the works prior to this interrogation..... thanks to the interrogation.

AXE and briwo seem to think during every war or conflict terrorist were simply put in the time out box and played checkers all day...

"There is nothing wrong with Waterboarding."

Oops:

....so when his trial comes up, we can waterboard him to get the truth out ??.....

#1 | Posted by skizziks

so you are okay with waterboarding as long as its a foe in YOUR book? interesting stance. moronic, but interesting.

This country used to stand for something better than Medieval and Middle Eastern political enforcement methods. Hopefully, one day soon, it will again.

It was the European Christians that created the science of torture to maintain political control. Our country denounced those practices, until BushCo came along. Not that it never happened, only it was rare, rather than SOP for guards and enlisted military personnel.

Its unfortunate if even one taxpayer can't see that. How about electrodes on the testicles, is that OK? Do you have any idea how many hundreds of US torture victims died in US custody? As if you would survive one day of waterboarding.

"Water boarding and pictures with underwear on a persons head hardly equate to being boiled alive in acid, or having your dick cut off and shoved down your throat while you are set on fire to burn alive or having your head cut off with a butcher knife."

AWanker, do you get an erection while typing this stuff? You certainly get very descriptive. Like you thought a lot about it.

Ataxpayer seems to think that there is no international law where torture is involved and that rendition is just fine.
How will he react if another country grabs Cheney and hauls his sad ass off to the Hague for war crime trials.

Not that it never happened, only it was rare, rather than SOP for guards and enlisted military personnel.

-nutcase

you think its SOP for guards and all enlisted military personnel? really? you really think that?

do you have any idea how many hundreds of US torture victims died in US custody?

-nutcase

do you? please show your sources.

furio, those are the specific tactics used by the japanese and islamic extremists. he wasn't making them up.

Considering that the orders came from above can't we let those privates and other enlisted personnel who are in prison for "torture" out now???

"thanks to the interrogation"

Oops:

YOADARI,

Its significant that Sheikh Mohammed was a high value prisoner, unlike 10,000 others we paid bounties for.

Scalia is so fucking stupid that he sat on national tevelision and said its OK to torture someone who hasn't been "convicted" (i.e. innocent)of anything, but its not OK once they are convicted. One of our Supreme Court Justices. Dumb as a rock, just like our President, who was appointed through fraud.

hans, it yielded true plots. not bs ones. yes we actually checked up on the info he gave us.

danni, good point.

"furio, those are the specific tactics used by the japanese and islamic extremists. he wasn't making them up."

Yeah and AWanker is obsessed about them. He's a fucking freak.

nutcase, do you think we waterboarded every prisoner?

"hans, it yielded true plots. not bs ones. yes we actually checked up on the info he gave us."

And, no doubt, it was nicely wrapped up in just an hour. Sort of like "24."

It is amazing how some people actually believe that those network prime-time dramas are real.

Amazing.

Hans

furio, he was making a point by showing you the contrast.

i think the people who say we should have never waterboarded Sheikh Mohammed are freaks.

hans, its been about 7 years and we're still working on several leads provided by him.

and we don't have jack to investigate them for us... he's too busy getting drunk and thrown in jail.

"hans, its been about 7 years and we're still working on several leads provided by him."

You don't really see how absurd that comment is, do you?

Seven years. Think about that ridiculous comment and get back to us.

Hans

Ataxpayer seems to think that there is no international law where torture is involved.
#17 | Posted by oldwhiskeysour

Oldwhiskeysour seems to think terrorist are nice people just misunderstood in the methods they use to kill and torture. As for international law we all know Islamic countries follow it to the letter. The difference between people like whiskeysour and myself is given the choice to water board a terrorist and prevent another 9-11, I would protect American lives without killing the terrorist while oldwiskysour would just pour another drink and do nothing while thousands of innocent Americans die...

Had the GOP not gutted the 1996 Anti Terrorism Act and provided the FBI with the 800+ new antiterrorism agents they'd requested, perhaps 9/11 would never have happened.

The GOP also denied the FBI funds at the same time to buy desktop computers powerful enough to scan photos of suspects and email them. 9/11 and after they were forced to use Express Mail.

There were several other antiterrorism efforts the GOP Congress denied funding, like Legat.

my bad, its been almost 6 years now. and yes intel from him is still proving valuable.

"In previous wars the United States has "always exercised the right to capture the enemy and then hold them till the end of the conflict. That's what we did in World War II with, you know, thousands, hundreds of thousands of German prisoners," Cheney said."

until they brought them over here under "project paperclip" and distributed them to NASA and various other science and medicine fields where they were productive in giving us the PHARMACUTICAL industries. YAY :-<

TIMBCI - you need to be sent away to a place where nobody will be able to hear your moronic retoric. You are not capable of saying anything intelligent and your brain is hard wired NEANDRETHAL

This is the Thread where the very same people who called for the Shoe Thrower to be Hanged traipse out and lecture us all on how Water boarding is No Big Deal!

The Freakin' Irony (missed)!

"i think the people who say we should have never waterboarded Sheikh Mohammed are freaks."

Yoda, and what waterboard everyone? And how do you confirm they are not just spewing a bunch of crap just to get the torture to stop? Oh wait that actually happened. Most of the so-called "intelligence" gleaned from the gitmo torture sessions was just a bunch of useless babble.

It's far easier to get someone talking over time.

You've been watching 24 too much

I posted this fact earlier, but Freeh is and was against using waterboarding and denial of due process.

But, hey. He was only a former Asst. U.S. Attorney and U.S. District Judge.

"The difference between people like whiskeysour and myself is given the choice to water board a terrorist"

Unfortunately the definition of "terrorist" is not just anyone who you happen to have in custody. Most of those captured did nothing and weren't terrorists (before we put them in Guantanamo).
The difference between you and most normal human beings is that normal folks would first determine whether someone was, in fact, a terrorist before they tortured or imprisoned them for five or more years.
Our anti-terrorism efforts under Bush has created more terrorists than it has eliminated.

"my bad, its been almost 6 years now. and yes intel from him is still proving valuable."

er...bull shit.

"my bad, its been almost 6 years now. and yes intel from him is still proving valuable."

Okay, here's how this "logic" goes:

1. A high-level operative of the bad guys is captured.

2. The bad guys know that their high-level operative has been captured, will be tortured, but they do nothing to change their plans, change their codes, move their assets. Nope. They do nothing. Why, they don't change a thing for six years.

"er...bull shit."

Agreed, Danni.

Hans

"Scalia is so fucking stupid that he sat on national tevelision and said its OK to torture someone who hasn't been "convicted" (i.e. innocent)of anything, but its not OK once they are convicted."

I'll go with "things Scalia never said" for $1,000, Alex.

"You've been watching 24 too much"

What's amazing is that the sitting VP is selling the "24" plot to the American people... and some people are actually buying it.

Hans

"and some people are actually buying it."

They are the same one's who have swallowed it all along and are just too embarrassed to admit they were wrong all along.

STAHL: If someone's in custody, as in Abu Ghraib, and they are brutalized, by a law enforcement person if you listen to the expression "cruel and unusual punishment," doesn't that apply?

SCALIA: No. To the contrary. You think... Has anybody ever referred to torture as punishment? I don't think so.

STAHL: Well I think if you're in custody, and you have a policeman who's taken you into custody

SCALIA: And you say he's punishing you? What's he punishing you for? When he's hurting you in order to get information from you, you wouldn't say he's punishing you. What is he punishing you for?

"The difference between people like whiskeysour and myself is given the choice to water board a terrorist and prevent another 9-11, I would protect American lives without killing the terrorist while oldwiskysour would just pour another drink and do nothing while thousands of innocent Americans die..."

Tune in at 10:00 Eastern, 9:00 Central, for the exciting conclusion.

Hans

*** Cheney Defends Gitmo, Waterboarding ***

......so when his trial comes up, we can waterboard him to get the truth out ??.....

#1 | Posted by skizziks

let's

"What is he punishing you for?"

Many times it is for not admitting you did something you simply didn't do.
Has it occurred to you that Scalia is an asshole?

OVER A MILLION HITS!

"let's"

There certainly would be symmetry to that, Bani.

Hans

Sick fucks like rapists and child molesters get off by inflicting pain on people unable to defend themselves. Most of society recognize these vermin for what they are....sick pieces of shit.

Torturers and the people that defend torture are of a similar vein. These little pricks probably masturbate every time they hear the words Guantanamo, Waterboard, and Abu Grabe.

Get a life, you sick pukes.

#44 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-16 04:03 PM

Please indicate where in that post Scalia states that "its OK to torture someone who hasn't been "convicted" (i.e. innocent)of anything, but its not OK once they are convicted."

"my bad, its been almost 6 years now. and yes intel from him is still proving valuable."

Well, I guess you can fool some of the people all the time!

Please indicate where in that post Scalia states that "its OK to torture someone who hasn't been "convicted" (i.e. innocent)of anything, but its not OK once they are convicted."

#51 | Posted by JOE

Oh please Joe. Now you're just getting silly.

"When he's hurting you in order to get information from you, you wouldn't say he's punishing you."

Has a suspect who is being interrogated as a suspect in a crime been convicted of anything yet?

Read the exchange again and then try to be honest about what he is saying there.

let's

#46 | Posted by Bani at 2008-12-16 04:06 PM |

Bani -- Surely you, of all people know the whole thing is a conspiracy?

Bani -- Surely you, of all people know the whole thing is a conspiracy?

#54 | Posted by goatman

Like this revealing interview?:>)

Monday, December 15, 2008

Ventura: CIA Embedded in State Government
Former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura said that his state has embedded CIA agents working in high level positions of the Minnesota state government. "I can only assume Minnesota is not the exception," he said. "In Minnesota, only the governor and chief of staff are aware of it -- that there's an implanted CIA person." (More details from Minnesota Public Radio.)

What Scalia really said is that the 8th Amendment, which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, does not apply in the interrogation context. The history of the 8th Amendment provides some authority for that - the vast majority of SC cases on the issue dealt with criminal sentences. Execution of children, burning alive, etc have been held to be forbidden by the 8th Amendment. Certainly you see the difference between that sort of case and the instance of interrogation.

"What Scalia really said is that the 8th Amendment, which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, does not apply in the interrogation context."

I understand what Scalia is saying but I would think that the person doing the torture would be guilty of a crime. Though the 8th Amendment prohibits torture of convicted criminals there is nothing that "allows" torture of unconvicted criminals and our system is based on the Constitution spelling out the powers the government has and limiting them to those enumerated.
No where does it say torture is permissible.

"I would think that the person doing the torture would be guilty of a crime"

Saying they are guilty of a crime is not the same thing as saying that torture is "cruel and unusual punishment," which is the only thing his statement applied to.

"there is nothing that "allows" torture of unconvicted criminals and our system is based on the Constitution spelling out the powers the government has and limiting them to those enumerated."

It looks like you're arguing that anything not enumerated in the Constitution is illegal or unconstitutional. You're wrong.

"What Scalia really said is that the 8th Amendment, which prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, does not apply in the interrogation context."

Yes. So torture is not punishment and not covered by the 8th. And "hurting" a suspect during an interrogation is not punishment. By definition, a suspect has not been convicted of anything yet.

So please explain why the conclusion that torturing someone who has not been convicted of any crime is lawful is not exactly what Scalia said in that interview.

"Water boarding and pictures with underwear on a persons head hardly equate to being boiled alive in acid, or having your dick cut off and shoved down your throat while you are set on fire to burn alive or having your head cut off with a butcher knife."

AWanker, do you get an erection while typing this stuff? You certainly get very descriptive. Like you thought a lot about it.

#16 | Posted by furio

Furio did you get an erection watching Americans jump to their deaths at the world trade center, most Arabs did I remember the celebrations in Islamic Countries. Eyewitness accounts described the smack as the screaming people impacted the side walk as the most sickening noise they had ever heard, do murdered Americans mean anything to people like you. The world is not always full of gum drops and teddy bears you and all like minded people will placate America's enemies play by all the rules be nice and courteous until we are no more. What do you think happened in WW2 with prisoners held by ALLIED forces with knowledge of our enemies tactics and plans. They were not brutalized as was the case with prisoners held by AXIS powers different methods were used to gain valuable knowledge that saved American lives without death or permanent injury...

It looks like you're arguing that anything not enumerated in the Constitution is illegal or unconstitutional.

What do they call that concept?

Its like Mexico---where its based on the Napoleonic Code---where every thing legal is ennumerated in a statute???

The only people who are convinced Torture Works are the very People who feel that they themselves couldn't endure it!

See, it makes no sense to think that a terrorist who has already committed their life to the cause (willing to die) is somehow magically swayed by the Threat of Death!

It's just fucking Moronic!

What in reality is happening here is that these proponents of Torture have internalized and come to the realization that they lack the fortitude to resist and thus believe others are as weak as they are? That's why they line up lock step with each other because without their collective backup --- they live in constant fear.

"So please explain why the conclusion that torturing someone who has not been convicted of any crime is lawful is not exactly what Scalia said in that interview."

Because it doesn't take into context the 8th Amendment argument which was the only topic of the conversation. Simply saying that Scalia thinks that anyone who hasn't been convicted of anything can be legally tortured is nothing more than intentionally missing the point. Or in your case, maybe it's not so intentional.

"...which was the only topic of the conversation."

You can infer his intent if you wish, but all we really have are the words he spoke.

If he believed that torture was unlawful I would be surprised that he would just drop the conversation at that point without some qualification as to other laws that might apply in lieu of the 8th Amendment.

See, it makes no sense to think that a terrorist who has already committed their life to the cause (willing to die) is somehow magically swayed by the Threat of Death!

I thought it was about the threat of torture.

death would be much more simple.

I have no basis to judge torture from a perspective of effectiveness.

I am against it of course but torture goes back to a time a little before republicans and democrats.

PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW WARFARE IS LAWFUL...

Furio did you get an erection watching Americans jump to their deaths at the world trade center, most Arabs did I remember the celebrations in Islamic Countries. Eyewitness accounts described the smack as the screaming people impacted the side walk as the most sickening noise they had ever heard, do murdered Americans mean anything to people like you. The world is not always full of gum drops and teddy bears you and all like minded people will placate America's enemies play by all the rules be nice and courteous until we are no more. What do you think happened in WW2 with prisoners held by ALLIED forces with knowledge of our enemies tactics and plans. They were not brutalized as was the case with prisoners held by AXIS powers different methods were used to gain valuable knowledge that saved American lives without death or permanent injury...

#60 | Posted by ATaxpayer

like following Larry Siverstein redeeming their precious lives by making over $4.6 billion via insurance fraud & so forth?

What in reality is happening here is that these proponents of Torture have internalized and come to the realization that they lack the fortitude to resist and thus believe others are as weak as they are? That's why they line up lock step with each other because without their collective backup --- they live in constant fear.

#62 | Posted by Redneckville

constant fear? I have an idea, lets show all detainees a photo of Sarah Palin and tell them that if they don't tell us the truth right now then we will elect her as VP of the US.

If they are liberal then they will surely break down give us the goods!!!

The fear of that result is more than any liberal here on the DR could ever handle based on the pants pissing and fear that went on here for months.

:-(

"constant fear? I have an idea, lets show all detainees a photo of Sarah Palin and tell them that if they don't tell us the truth right now then we will elect her as VP of the US."

Yeah hysterical laughing will break their spirit and they'll talk.

hysterical laughing will break their spirit and they'll talk.

Actually I laughed. But you didn't and neither did the rest of the left here.

My point is that loonyville rails on about "fear" when he was scared to death of her along with the whole lot of you.

many of you outright admitted it.

The New York Times, in a report on January 12, 2005,[11] reported testimony suggesting that the following events had taken place at Abu Ghraib: Urinating on detainees, Jumping on detainee's leg (a limb already wounded by gunfire) with such force that it could not thereafter heal properly, Continuing by pounding detainee's wounded leg with collapsible metal baton, Pouring phosphoric acid on detainees, Sodomization of detainees with a baton, Tying ropes to the detainees' legs or penises and dragging them across the floor.

Sergeant Samuel Provance from Alpha Company 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion, in interviews with several news agencies, reported the sexual abuse of a 16-year-old girl by two interrogators, as well as a 16-year-old son of an Iraqi general, who was driven through the cold night air on the open back of a truck after he had been showered and besmeared with mud in order to get his father to talk.

Iraqi Maj. Gen. Abed Hamed Mowhoush was being stubborn with his American captors, and a series of intense beatings and creative interrogation tactics were not enough to break his will. On the morning of Nov. 26, 2003, a U.S. Army interrogator and a military guard grabbed a green sleeping bag, stuffed Mowhoush inside, wrapped him in an electrical cord, laid him on the floor and began to go to work. Again. It was inside the sleeping bag that the 56-year-old detainee took his last breath through broken ribs, lying on the floor beneath a U.S. soldier in Interrogation Room 6 in the western Iraqi desert. Two days before, a secret CIA-sponsored group of Iraqi paramilitaries, working with Army interrogators, had beaten Mowhoush nearly senseless, using fists, a club and a rubber hose, according to classified documents.

Hours after Mowhoush's death in U.S. custody on Nov. 26, 2003, military officials issued a news release stating that the prisoner had died of natural causes after complaining of feeling sick.

Hundreds of Death certificates repeatedly state that prisoners had died "during sleep", or of "natural reasons". Iraqi doctors are not allowed to investigate even when death certificates are obviously forged. No reports of investigations against U.S. military doctors who forged death certificates have been reported.

Hundreds of Death certificates repeatedly state that prisoners had died "during sleep", or of "natural reasons". Iraqi doctors are not allowed to investigate even when death certificates are obviously forged. No reports of investigations against U.S. military doctors who forged death certificates have been reported.

#71 | Posted by nutcase

American Justice & Values at it's best here for everyone to admire!

Thank you nutcase for pointing that out because clearly there are idiots among us that are not only ok with torture, but also think that waterboarding was the only method used.

One thing that we need to remember about Abu Gharib is the people who were carrying out these acts. They were rag tag military sent over there to fill in the gaps. They weren't soldiers by any stretch of the imagination. They were white trash punk kids and once things got started it created a domino effect and you end up with what we all saw.

This is not to excuse them or the military, but it should show that the huge majority of our military would never behave in that manner. It is a crying shame that it happened because it does not reflect how our military treats its prisoners.

"You can infer his intent if you wish, but all we really have are the words he spoke."

I paraphrased Scalia and drew logical conclusions from the statements he made to Leslie Stahl, during a sixty minutes interview. Some of it is repeated verbatim here. Like Thomas, he emerged arrogantly from his closet, to peddle a book. The distorted logic of Scalia and Thomas is rooted in their "feeling" that the President oughta have more power than the Constitution originally provided.

You folks probably think it's just by happenstance that we haven't had a major terrorist attack since 9/11. We're not waterboarding US citizens who might have ran a red light here. No, we should kill or torture, but there is no bright line on what constitutes torture.

So we don't waterboard anymore, is sleep deprivation torture? Is it torture after 20 hours or 24 hours, or 48 hours? Yes there are examples where we crossed the line, and people have paid for crossing the line. But these are not easy issues.

Maybe we'll have a big change on all this stuff, and stop trying to get information through any means but kindness. We also might have a dirty bomb or release of biological weapon too (like they have said is likely within the next 5 years on our soil). When they finish zipping up the body bags after that event, let's have this conversation again.

Clarify "we should not kill or torture.."

"My point is that loonyville rails on about "fear" when he was scared to death of her along with the whole lot of you."

YEAH!

Except I don't "fear" her anymore than any other Bat-Shit crazy hootchi that's waited outside my apartment! You seem to have confused "fear" with "dislike"! But whatever, atleast she is something that's a threat (if just to educated americans)

In WW2 the captured germans were plied with bourbon and ping-pong to get their info --- that's just historical fact!

Why did we do this? Cause torture doesn't work!

And we Won that war!

But Historical Facts are ways missed by the Ideology bent, they think they need to out terrorist the terrorists simply becuase they get a charge out of being the Terrosist!

In WW2 the captured germans were plied with bourbon and ping-pong to get their info --- that's just historical fact!

Why did we do this? Cause torture doesn't work!

And we Won that war!

#80 | Posted by Redneckville

You're right, excessive beating type torture doesn't work. This is why we use methods that are not toture and they seem to be doing great. Besides, you can't ply a Muslim with alcohol. Against their religion and all.

The problem with you on the left is that you just take it as common fact that we're torturing the hell out of the prisoners. The truth of the matter is that the interrogaters know that physical acts of torture don't work, so they don't use them. Often times they will spend weeks just talking with a suspect in trying to gain their trust. Other times, when we need actionable intelligence, waterboarding may come into play.

You hear it from the MSM media so often that we torture prisoners that you believe that's all we do. Fact is, the only method we use that is up for debate on wether it is torture or not is waterboarding. You have those opposed to it who claim it to be torture and you have those for it because they know it is a safe, harmless, and effective method in gaining information.

"This is why we use methods that are not toture and they seem to be doing great"

Sure, as long as a 10 fold increase in global terror attacks and only one terror conviction to date constitutes "doing great"!

Actual transcript form the interview;

C=cheney, i=interviewer

i; how's it going, dick?

c; it's going great, death is increasing, suffering hasn't been this high in generations. morale is in the toilet. george and i are almost done with our plan to transfer the whole us economy to a few hands. all my friends are getting very wealthy and i'm starting to think about what i'm gonna do after government.

i; so what do you reckon you'll do?

c; well, i've always wanted to just take a sabbatical, ya know, in the country, and torture small animals. You know, squirrels, rabbits, field mice. It's so impersonal and detached, when you're stuck way over there in the white house, I order somebody to go torture a terrorist when I would much rather do it myself. yuck yuck yuck So this sabbatical will be, you know, a refreshing, a getting back to my roots.

i; charming. so how do you think the people will remember your time in gov't.

c; i think, when a final analysis is done, the people will see that george and I have done very well for ourselves and our friends.

VMI has used waterboarding as part of hazing for decades

#4 | Posted by timbci at 2008-12-16 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Someone being hazed knows they aren't going to die, dumb ass.

"Safe, harmless, and effective way of gaining information...."

Waterboarding? That would be thehysical technique that fools your brain into thinking you're going to die through drowning.That one, right?

"Safe, harmless, and effective way of gaining information...."

Hey, it worked for Torquemada.

Zed- Let me clue you in. You're using logic, reason, and morality to argue with idiots again.

These people just FEEL right, and that's all they need. See, we ALL have an animal impulse to see evil doers punished, tortured, and hurt. All of us. You, me, everyone.

But some of us are grown up enough to put animal instinct in a box, take a deep breath, and look at facts before we start fucking someone up.

These bush folks will always follow him. Because strong and wrong feels so good, they don't want to hear anything else.

The "How to be a Rethug Kit" comes with instructions:

"Place fingers in ears and scream 'blah la la la la la la la la la la' when facts at odds with your opinions are presented. Rinse and repeat"

Even someone as deliberately ignorant as you can no longer hide from that.

#75 | Posted by JOE

Interesting hypothesis from someone who has admitted multiple times that how you argue an issue is based not on the facts or merits, but on whether or not you like the poster.

Go figure.

"Cheney Defends Waterboarding"

...And in other news, water still wet, gravity still pulling straight down, Clay Aiken still gay & the sky is still blue...

"Interesting hypothesis from someone who has admitted multiple times that how you argue an issue is based not on the facts or merits, but on whether or not you like the poster."

Actually, the only time I have said anything resembling that was when I described why I flagged certain posts. Provide a link showing otherwise, or admit that you're a liar.

Actually, the only time I have said anything resembling that was when I described why I flagged certain posts. Provide a link showing otherwise, or admit that you're a liar.

#90 | Posted by JOE

Mkay...

That was a hilarious exchange on use of the word "quelle," and I'm inclined to think that SanAntonioRogue is wrong, mostly because I don't like him.

#40 | Posted by JOE at 2008-11-19 05:23 PM

Dick Cheney is AWESOME, I wish he was president..He is tough and patriotic..I loved when that female reporter asked him about the war when she said '70 percent of the american public disapproves" and he said "SO"..that was classic..I Love Dick Cheney

Cheney:A Gutless Coward and a Greedy Sleazy-Slime-Ball!

Dick Cheney,because of his high placed friends, sought and got a deferment from serving in the Vietnam war.I mean Cheney is nothing but a fat,uglygutless coward and a greedy sleazy-slime-ball! Willingly supporting Cheney means that you're actually more of a piece of shit than he is - boy thats something to shoot for now isn't it!!!

Wait, we're the one's defending freedom, liberty and justice... right?

Cheney's daring Bush to pardon him now, while Bush has power. This on the heels of the findings that torture was OK'd by Cheney - and now admitted to by Cheney, means that prosecutions very well may occur. A conviction would mean more than they were guilty, it would jeopardize the very legitimacy/legacy of the Bush Presidency.

Bush could pardon Cheney and then resign the presidency which would make Cheney the president and Cheney could then pardon Bush! I'm amazed they haven't already done this!

Bush could pardon Cheney...

Pardon Cheney for what? Legally and Constitutionally he has no powers. Giving advice to the president is not illegal.

Cheney is one of the Biggest Sleaze Bags and "War Criminals" in American History!!!

Cheney did a whole lot more than advise the president! He created and instituted illegal, fascist and unconstitutional policies.He also used his high profile to purposely mislead (remember WMD's) and cajole the American public into the Iraq War and also into accepting the use of torture and the suspension of Constitutional Rights like Habeas Corpus against innocent people.
Cheney was also instrumental in getting his company Halliburton $Billions of Dollars in "No-Bid contracts in Iraq based on his phony Weapons of Mass Destruction rhetoric.
You "double dealing" supporters of Bush & Cheney just better pray that the American public remains as stupid as you obviously are!

Pardon Cheney for what? Legally and Constitutionally he has no powers. Giving advice to the president is not illegal.
#97 | Posted by goatman

Maybe for his illegal and unconstitutional behavior?

No such thing as an innocent "american".
And I keep telling you that virtually all US military intelligence are US law enforcement.
Judges, prosecutors, some regular street cops, and lots and lots of people from organised crime units, drug units, and so on.
Scalia himself is a terrorist. Hell, the entire court has been engaged for decades in subversive acts against the constitution.
You are wrong JOE. The constitution is full of prohibitions of authority, prohibitions that cannot be un-done. Even the attempt to do so is a crime.

Lawyers, judges and politicians are all stamped from the same piece of shit. They have no stomach for justice, just corruption and authority and contempt for the rest of the citizenry. They hold justice hostage to the people. Funny that most of the laws in this nation today protect the crimes of business and government.

If normal people ask for a technique to be performed on them then that should be your first clue that it isn't torture.

Some people say climbing 10 flights of stairs is torture.

The same puds crying about waterboarding cry about every uncomfortable situation a known terrorist is subjected to. It's because these cry babies don't know what it takes to be number 1.

Taxpayer, you wouldn't last 3 minutes being waterboarded so stop making yourself look like an even bigger ass that you already do on a daily basis.

#7 | Posted by briwo at 2008-12-16 03:17 PM | Reply

Translation: Waterboarding works and I'm too fucking stupid to realize I just admitted as much.

"Translation: Waterboarding works..."

However, panties on heads is an even worse practice. I know, because I did it to myself a couple of times in my younger years. Never participated in a butt pyramid though, I think that is a practice only on the West Coast.

Good for Cheney. Just one more piece of evidence for his eventual trial on war crimes charges.

If Bush pardons him, and he pardons Bush, it makes no difference.

International law still applies, and it would be a pleasure to extradite these two.

If there was a general election within the country if waterboarding should be used I have no doubt it would overwhelmingly be approved. The only people that whine about it are ones that want all criminals let loose on society, free money from the FED, relaxed credit (just to them), and a 32 hour work week.