Anybody takin' odds?

I think he will be asked to resign, just like all the rest, but will be re-appointed by the new administration.

Every President appoints who they want when administrations change.

Bush didn't keep a single U.S. Attorney when he took office in 2001. Clinton before him, Bush 41 before him ... same story.

Don't presume Obama should. He has the right to appoint whomever he chooses. He won the election.

God, if a Republican removed a U.S. Attorney in the early stages of a scandal like this, the Left would be squeeling like stuck pigs.

Yes, they would, Wis...

"Don't presume Obama should. He has the right to appoint whomever he chooses."

That is true, but I think he'd be dumb to get rid of Fitz. 1st of all he's a damn good prosecutor. 2nd, it would look really bad.

SANAN

I agree with you. But, it's still Obama's prerogative to appoint whoever he wants as the winner of the election, as it was every for every president before him newly elected.

SanAn, If Obama didn't have ties to Illinois, I don't think it would be an issue. But he does, and your #6 is right on.

"God, if a Republican removed a U.S. Attorney in the early stages of a scandal like this, the Left would be squeeling like stuck pigs."

And if a frog had wings, he wouldn't bump his ass so much.

But he doesn't and Obama won't.

But he doesn't and Obama won't.

But what if he does, Dave?

I would expect unless Blagojevich cops a plea in the next month, Fitzgerald will be kept on at least through the trial.

There's also the matter whether or not Fitzgerald wants to stay on after a trial or plea agreement. His job is quite taxing, and he's been working with the U.S. Attorney's office in Chicago since the beginning of the Bush Administration, and years before that in NYC at at the U.S. Attorney's office.

He may want to practice private law and build a nest egg. U.S. Attorneys don't make nearly the money one can in the private sector.

He's a good egg. I wish him well with whatever he chooses to do.

The right attacks Obama before he has done anything. As usual. The right will attack Obama for the next 8 years, every day, day after day after day, even as he brings America out of the recession, war, and national debt problems left by Bush.

The "I hate America" crowd is strong on this blog.

"But what if he does, Dave?"

It would look really bad and the right would be (rightfully so) squealing like stuck pigs.

The "I hate America" crowd is strong on this blog.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob

The crowd is a party of one.

YOU

And everybody here knows it.

"It would look really bad and the right would be (rightfully so) squealing like stuck pigs."

But then....no matter what he does they will still be squealing for the next eight years.

The right will squeal like pigs every day for the next 8 years no matter what Obama does. That's the future. That was Clintons past. Every day--day after day--month after month. The I hate America crowd never tires.

I'd agree, Dave...

The right attacks Obama before he has done anything.
Posted by Buffalo_Bob

We are discussing a potential decision. Why the fuck do you think this site exits?

One thing I'm wondering about Fitzgerald, why didn't he wait until an actual transaction was completed? From what I have heard so far I think he may have a difficult time prosecuting Blagojevich.
Things may not end up quite like everyone is assuming at this point.

WOW is that an idiot?

The right may squeal, but it will only be for 2 years....then they'll take Congress back and will be able to stem the lefties tide....

(be sure to bookmark that comment, Hanus)

exists, you old fool.

DANNI

Conspiracy is a felony.

Blagojevich is the only one accused of any wrongdoing or there'd have been other indictments.

All the other talk is nonsense. But, hey. Some people are sore losers and want to make a mountain out of the garbage heap that is Blagojevich.

We are discussing a potential decision. Why the fuck do you think this site exits?

#19 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-11 09:51 AM | Reply

Let's dicuss Obama nuking New York? Wow what an asshole Obama would be if he did that, huh? How about let's discuss if Obama starts selling secrets to the commies---I bet he's get impeached then don't you think?

Fack you. Don't hide your attacks behind--"we were just talking".

Don't hide your attacks behind--"we were just talking".

#25 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

I made my opinion known that if he fired Fitz, it would loook bad. Sorry for such a hatefull, mean-spirited post. Flag it if you want.

Let's dicuss Obama nuking New York?

#25 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Come on Bob. The US Attorney's situation is a legitimate and pending decision Obama will have have to make soon. Speculating about Fitz under the current circumstances is more than legit.

Despite a few of the posters inherent whininess, there is nothing wrong with having this discussion.

"Fack you."

"SanAn, If Obama didn't have ties to Illinois"

Does this mean that Bush is intimately tied to every dirty dealing in Texas?

Just another petard soon to explode in the faces of the thrashing and flailing minority!

Perpetually the victims, destined to forever be the bitter wallflowers!

God, if a Republican removed a U.S. Attorney in the early stages of a scandal like this, the Left would be squeeling like stuck pigs.

#4 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-11 09:30 AM | Reply

Wisgod sounds like it has already happened and is telling us what we would do in the meantime. That doesn't sound like much of a discussion to me.

Anybody takin' odds?

#1 | Posted by American1st at 2008-12-11 09:20 AM | Reply

Nazis1st doesn't sound like he's in a discussing mood. What was his point?

Nazis1st

Obama and Blagojevich were not close. Obama didn't respect him.

President-Elect Obama's only connection to this is over the empty Senate seat which Blagojevich should have filled in an honest manner, but didn't.

Blagojevich should rot in a prison cell.

He'll be the 4th Illinois governor to go to prison in the last 30 years if convicted.

The other three?

Republicans.

It's not a partisan issue. It's an ethics issue.

It's feck.
#29 | Posted by Dave

Fitzgerald always seems to be on a frolic of his own, on a power trip and a man willing to engage in any type of contrivance to harm other people. He is quite hateful. But he got a big fish this time, and the reverberations if not ocuntered, could take down a significant part of the Chicago/Illinois political machine power structure.

Obama might be well-advised to require Fitzgerald's resignation, and take the transitory heat, declaring that it's just business as usual when administrations change. Then he can appoint someone not particularly aggressive in terms of bringing down the Obama political family insofar as actions are concerned, but someone who will unabashedly declare his interests in truth, justice, and the American Way. All talk. No action.

Who was it, Lenin who said something to the effect that the capitalists would sell the communists the rope to hang the capitalists with? Well, the Republicans when they were in power, funded corrupt community organizing activities, and Democratic political machines, and people marshalling support against them such as Jesse Jackson, "Al the Bullhorn" Sharpton, ACORN, and what have you. You wonder why the Republicans supported activities that helped bring them down.

Anyway, Obama would need to be extraordinarily stupid not to weather the transitory storm that might possibly accompany a Fitzgerald ouster rather than keep in power a man, who could and would destroy a political machine. Corrupt it might be, but it is the world of Chicago and Illinois. It is what is.

"Obama would need to be extraordinarily stupid not to weather the transitory storm that might possibly accompany a Fitzgerald ouster rather than keep in power a man, who could and would destroy a political machine."

Sounds like ol'"johnson" has completely forgotten about Alberto "Gonzo" Gonzales.

Nah. Who would make it a continuing issue? It would be relegated to a matter of little note with anyone suggesting otherwise just trying to distract attention from important matters that will confront the Obama Administration.

The matter would not merit continuing address by the media. It wouldn't be consistent with their agenda. Who or what governmental entity could create a problem? Congress? No. The adminstration appointing some prosecutor to investigage it? No. Such folly would not be indulged. The explanation. It's just the usual and customary replacement procedure. Traditional ways of doing business. Nothing remarkable. Of course it has nothing to do with his particular activity. We're replacing all of the U.S. Attorneys.

Well. We'll see. I'm betting on replacement. Things quiet down. Rev. Wright is back at his Church. Permanently? Then, there's a succeeding matter of momentary interest. Fifteen minutes on stage.

If Obama fires Fitzgerald then we need to have an investigation to find out why. If that investigation doesn't take then we need to have another investigation to find out why the first one didn't work. Then we need to look for other things in the Obama administration to investigate.

After all its the democrat way.

BUZ

I think you're a spoof. You must be LOL

In case you're not, read up on how U.S. Attorneys are appointed and when their terms end.

Every President appoints who they want when administrations change.
Bush didn't keep a single U.S. Attorney when he took office in 2001. Clinton before him, Bush 41 before him ... same story.
Don't presume Obama should. He has the right to appoint whomever he chooses. He won the election.

#3 | POSTED BY AMERICANUNITY

Bush fired them in 2001? are you sure?

Too many of you have "what-if-itis", the inability to actually wait for the president-elect to become president, and then act as such.

Bush fired them in 2001? are you sure?

#41 | Posted by shirtsbyeric

No, they weren't fired. Their terms expired and they were replaced by Bush's picks to fill the US Attorney slots. That's how it works.

As I mentioned above, no doubt Obama may want Fitzgerald to stay put until Blagojevich pleads out or a trial is concluded. Beyond that, Fitzgerald is a brilliant legal mind. Highly experienced (he also served as Asst. U.S. Attorney in the Southern District of New York (the cream of the crop in those circles) from the mid 90's until his appointment as USA in Chicago, extremely ethical, and non-partisan in his prosecutorial endeavors. He'd be an asset anywhere.

But, he may choose to go into the private sector and make some money after all that time in government service. Any law firm in the country would be happy to have him. If he stayed in government he'd be as big an asset to us. If he ever had politics on his mind he would definitely be one person the citizens of Illinois would trust. illinois hasn't had too much luck the last 30 years. Blagojevich makes 4 governors who've been indicted. He replaced the last indicted governor, Republican George Ryan, promising to end corruption . Oops.

The crowd is a party of one.

YOU

And everybody here knows it.

#14 | Posted by eberly

I've only been here for a month or so and I know it.

I would advise Prez Obama (god, I love to say that) to appoint Fitz Attourney General if I was advising him.

OLDWHISKEY

Unfortunately it's too late. He's already nominated Eric Holder, who's also considered a crack attorney and prosecutor - highly respected by his peers. He's squeaky clean and has also been a U.S. Attorney, judge, and served for years at the Justice Dept.

I'd love to see Fitzgerald continue working on our behalf.

After graduating from law school, (Eric) Holder joined the U.S. Justice Department's new Public Integrity Section during an interval lasting from 1976 to 1988. During his time there, he assisted in the prosecution of Democratic Congressman John Jenrette for bribery discovered in the Abscam sting operation. In 1988, then-President Ronald Reagan appointed Holder to serve on the Bench as a Judge of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia.

Holder stepped down from the bench in 1993 to accept an appointment for U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia from President Bill Clinton. He was the first African-American U.S. Attorney in that office. At the beginning of his tenure, he oversaw the conclusion of the corruption case against Dan Rostenkowski, part of the Congressional Post Office Scandal. He was a U.S. Attorney until his elevation to Deputy Attorney General in 1997.

"He's squeaky clean"

Well, there's that matter of the Marc Rich pardon. I don't think by any means that disqualifies him, but it is a bit of a blotch on an otherwise excellent record.

I'm a little surprised at some of the lefties here. Seems that most think this is a legitimate concern, as opposed to the usual Theo Nebs style "controversy."

Hey, PINCHE

Let me raise your blood pressure. This is all there is to what upsets you:

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This too...

He's an anti-American, terrorist supporting left wing zealot piece of shit.

Just like his boss.

#49 | Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-12-11 05:03 PM

The American people?

PINCHE

I think even you could recognize Ann Coulter is a whacked out crazy bitch. You really take her seriously?

She lost me at blowing up NY City to kill all the liberals. Aren't we in two wars because some people killed 3000 of our citizens? Did anyone ask their party ID?

Sorry, man. Ann Coulter is as much use to me as a Citation X. LOL

-He could butt *uck his daughters

One wonders at the "mind" that creates and spews this sort of "thought".

Psychological projection, one presumes.

I think even you could recognize Ann Coulter is a whacked out crazy bitch

Why don't you read the fucking link (while taking note of the actual author) and reflect upon what effect it might have on your sycophantic delusions.

This man is a piece of shit and a traitor to his country.

His boss is a fucking disgrace, and a living testament to the increasing apathy and stupidity of the nation he will soon "lead".

PINCHE

It's easy for any nut to claim anything if they weren't there. I take anything I might stumble across on any fringe website with a grain of salt. People can write whatever they want on a blog without the same burden of proof the MSM is held to.

Holder readily admits Rich's pardon was a mistake. He did not make the decision. Denise Rich (Marc Rich's estranged wife) and the Clinton's are close.

I'm sure there will be controversy over some of W's pardons in the coming weeks. They won't happen until the last minute. When they do, will they be Bush's doing or whatever Deputy or Asst. AG who reviewed it for him? "The Buck Stops (where ?)"

Ronald Reagan appointed him to the bench in D.C. Isn't that good enough for you? Or is it that he worked as Deputy AG under Clinton that's got your craw?

It's easy for any nut to claim anything if they weren't there.

Its not a "nut". Its the son of someone who was killed by a terrorist Holder worked to pardoned.

I take anything I might stumble across on any fringe website with a grain of salt. People can write whatever they want on a blog without the same burden of proof the MSM is held to.

Its "Human Events", numbnuts.

Holder readily admits Rich's pardon was a mistake.

What did he say about the 16 FALN and Weather Underground murderers he helped pardoned?

Don't change the subject.

PINCHE

I read the article.

Ya? They committed those acts 35 years ago. Maybe there's more this Conner guy doesn't know about inter and intra PR territorial affairs. Maybe the governor of Puerto Rico asked that this happen to quell a rising tide of secessionist talk in the PR.

Commentators on websites that profess to be the "Conservative Underground" get as much credence with me as something I'd read on some left wing equivalent. I don't watch pundits, and I don't get swept up in fringe politics.

This is Conner's opinion. There was no threat from the FALN at the time - an organization disbanded decades ago, and who's members had served lengthy prison sentences by that time. Puerto Rico is a U.S. Territory. These are not Al Qaeda. They are U.S. Citizens. Their fight is over. Time to move on?

I see why you come off a little nuts. Reading fringe websites will do that to anyone. Come to the middle. At least step away from the fringe. It's blinding you with hatred.

He could butt *uck his daughters while snorting coke off Hillary's cootchie and the press would marvel instead at how nice the new White House furniture looks.

#54 | Posted by OohRah

Wow, disgusting sleaziness from an unexpected quarter.

They committed those acts 35 years ago

So pardon them.

Impeccable reasoning.

Commentators on websites that profess to be the "Conservative Underground"

Its Human Events.

There was no threat from the FALN at the time

So pardon murderers.

Impeccable reasoning.

It's blinding you with hatred.

The irony of that statement is not unnnoticed.

This is Conner's opinion.

Its not a matter of opinion as to what these people did---and that the despicable piece of shit Holder had a major hand in granting them a commutation they didn't even ask for---and that prosecutors and the FBI vehemently objected to.

Its amazing to watch people like you make excuses for the inexcusable.

And a little sad.

Also, PINCHE

You realize, of course, that anyone who has received a Presidential Pardon is a convicted felon. Shall we take a look at who Bush 41 or Reagan or Nixon pardoned? I'm sure you'd find all sorts of unsavory people who did things decades ago. That is, after all, the purpose of presidential pardons - to pardon people who've been convicted of crimes up to and including murder.

There was no love between Freeh and the Clinton. I just finished Freeh's book. Know all about that.

I don't necessarily agree or disagree with Rich's pardon, or the FALN members. But, judging a man for a cursory review of a pardon request is hardly a reason for blanket contempt. Holder's highly respected by his peers - left and right.

Rich was pardoned for income tax evasion. Rev Sun Myung Moon was convicted of income tax evasion, and yet Bush' daddy let him back into the country, let him run his enterprises from the Washington Times building - including illegal dealings with North Korea. W wen to Japan in the 90's - after his conviction - to get him out of hot water there. Are you saying that was totally wrong, and that Bush 41 and 43 should be hated for it?

But, I get it. Nothing any Democrat will be OK in your book. BTW Bush earned my contempt. I started out giving him the benefit of the doubt until he proved himself inept, incompetent, arrogant, and disastrous. I didn't say, "Oh, he's a Republican! I fucking HATE him!".

Its not a matter of opinion as to what these people did

In 1975.

Shall we take a look at who Bush 41 or Reagan or Nixon pardoned?

We could, but that would be catering to your attempted deflection.

In 1975.

Explain to me your logic.

"I set bombs off in crowded restaurants and killed innocent people, but its okay because I did it in 1975."

"The right attacks Obama before he has done anything. As usual. The right will attack Obama for the next 8 years, every day, day after day after day, even as he brings America out of the recession, war, and national debt problems left by Bush.The "I hate America" crowd is strong on this blog." #12 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Let's make this post a bit more true, shall we.

The right attacks Obama before he has done anything just as the left did with Bush. As usual. The right will attack Obama for the next 8 years, every day, day after day after day, even as he brings America out of the recession, war, and national debt problems left by Bush just as the left attacked Bush for 8 years, every day, day after day, even as he brought America out of the recession Clinton created and other problems left by Clinton as well as kept the country safe from another attack. The "I hate America" crowd has been strong and will continue to be strong on this blog.

And you are correct on stating that Obama has not done anything yet. That is exactly what the right was saying when the left was fawning all over Obama like he has accomplished many great things.

Is Biden on vacation?

PINCHE

I am formally banning you from my Airbus A-380.

And here I was gonna make you a good deal on my G5

Blind hatred is a dangerous thing. It hurts you more than anyone else.

Read my paragraph about Rev Sun Myung Moon and Marc Rich. I think you'll catch my drift.

Rev Sun Myung Moon was convicted of income tax evasion, and yet Bush' daddy let him back into the country

That's not quite the same thing as pardoning murderers.

But nice try.

The right attacks Obama before he has done anything just as the left did with Bush. As usual.

I never did. I said, "C'est La Vie" and gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Getting us into Iraq in the aftermath of 9/11 is where he lost me.

Blind hatred is a dangerous thing.

So is being an unthinking sycophant that uses horribly specious reasoning to justify the unjustifiable.

Get a fucking grip.

PINCHE

Do some research and you'll find many, many murderers have been pardoned or had their sentences commuted by way of Presidential pardons.

This is hardly the first time, nor will it be the last.

PINCHE

I there weren't some invisible thread holding you back, you'd be just the type to go ape shit and blow away a lot of people. Your anger and blind hatred oozes from cyberspace.

I didn't say, "Oh, he's a Republican! I fucking HATE him!".

Nor did I.

I just hate the fucking Communist-sympathizing scum within our government that uses its power to pardon FALN terrorists.

Do some research and you'll find many, many murderers have been pardoned or had their sentences commuted by way of Presidential pardons.

18 terrorists at a time?

Bush will pardon Blagojevich so that Obama can get rid of Fitzgerald without a fuss. Then, after taking office, Obama will fire Fitzgerald, and pardon himself for any potential fallout over being associated with Illinois politics. Then, there will be peace throughout the land giving rise to true bipartisanship, the likes of which our country has never seen.

PINCHE

I can tell you know little to nothing of the internal strife in Puerto Rico.

Gee, what will you say when the U.S. makes friends of former enemies who killed hundreds of thousands of our citizens? We should NEVER EVER do that?

I'll be you drive a truck made by a Japanese firm. Didn't they kill hundreds of thousands of our GI's in WW2?

Sometimes in politics you do something to get a better result in the long run. That's been our history since the dawn of America. We made up with the British, then the French, then the Mexicans, then the Spaniards, then the Germans, then the Japanese, etc.

Read up on Puerto's history since Truman and get back to me. I'm not saying what these people did in 1975 was right, but things calmed down rhetorically in the PR after the FALN pardons.

My point was that Obama will enjoy a good bit of latitude from the press as he comes into the Oval Office.

Perhaps, over time, the press will become more critical. I doubt it. The press has much invested in the guy. Maybe I'll be proven wrong. Time will tell.

No president in recent memory has gotten more lattitude from the press than Bush did after 9/11. The press eventually came around to seeing what a mistake that was. I don't think they'll make the same mistake with Obama. Once burned, twice shy and all that.

BTW PINCHE

There hasn't been a single internal terrorist incident in Puerto Rico since the pardons. Those FALN prisoners were a cause d'affair and a rallying cry within Puerto Rico.

Now, they're nobodies. No violence in Puerto Rico since. No FALN.

Sometimes you have to do things you don't want for the bigger picture and the long run. That's just the way the world works.

gee obama went from concerned to outraged in just one day.

#76 | Posted by somoco

Fitzgerald's appointment officially ends at 12 O'Clock noon January 20th, just as all U.S. Attorneys terms have ended with a new administration.

They all serve at the pleasure of the President. However, they are not allowed to be fired for making the Justice Dept. a political arm of the White House. John Mitchell (Nixon), and Alberto Gonzales are both guilty of that. Mitchell went to prison. Gonzales could follow. Stay tuned.

I just hate the fucking Communist-sympathizing scum within our government that uses its power to pardon FALN terrorists.

#74 | Posted by Pinche_Mao

Based on your posting history the year and few months I've been here, your list of things you hate is much longer than that. You've never aimed your quiver of arrows at a single Republican. They all have 'D' on the target. At least hate equally.

Bush has borrowed untolled hundreds of billions from Communist China to pay for his tax cuts. They're one of the most repressive Communist regimes left on the planet. Yet, you give him a pass for helping them build their military with our tax dollars.

It seems Bush is VERY sympathetic to the Communist Chinese. Extremely so. He doesn't even enforce trade laws because they have him over a pickle barrel financially.

GAL-
You could be correct. How about you and I keep an eye on this? You let me know when they're being tough on Obama and I'll let you know when I think they're giving him a pass.

Okay, it's a deal. Unless something drastic and dramatic comes up, Obama might get a honeymoon period from the press just as he seems to be getting one from the public. Not sure how long it will last. Perhaps the first hundred days, but I suspect it won't last too much after that. I'm terrible at these types of predictions though, so we'll see.

The Communist Chinese killed hundreds of thousands of American citizens in the Korean War. They armed the North Koreans, supplied their every need, provided soldiers, and their planes bombed our troops and shot down our aircraft every day. They are the chief supporters of North Korea to this day - supplying Kim Jung Il with nuclear technology.

They've flooded our markets, been the recipients of millions of our jobs. WalMart is practically a storefront from Communist China. Bush's tax credits paid for entire factories to be pulled up and shipped to China. They take our money and loan it to us. They're arming themselves with OUR money.

Where's your Bush hate if you're going to hate Communist sympathizers equally? No one's killed more Americans than the Communist Chinese. They're STiLL Communist. Still repressive. Still gunning for us. With Bush' help they've come a long, long way.

Sorry for the logic, but think about it.

PINCHE

#85 was for you

18 terrorists at a time?

~PincheMaoSyndrome

The first presidential pardon was made by George Washington and it involved the pardoning of a shiatload of domestic terrorists aka The Whiskey Rebellion folk.

There were more than 18 of them.

The FALN?

Actually, there were only 16 of them.

All of them had spent 19 years or more in jail.

None of them were convicted of a crime in which a human being was harmed.

That all sed, it was a stupid commutation.

Spud never quite got that one.

Jimmy Hoffa, George Steinbrenner, the Draft Dodgers, Casper Weinberger, Roger Clinton, Patti Hearst, Richard Nixon, Marcus Garvey and Marc Rich?

Sure.

At least they made some type of political sense even if Spud didn't agree with all of them.

The FALN commutations made no sense at all politically.

Meh, Clinton may have pardoned a few terrorists but George Dumbya actually IS a terrorist.

One who has played right into the hands of the Osama Bin Ladens of this world by increasing global hatred of the US by invading Iraq and weakening the US against future acts of terrorism.

Be Well.

On Topic?

Bush has so corrupted the DoJ that Obama seriously needs to fire each and every single one of them.

/and all them Regent Grads too.

Except fer Fitz.

Be Well.

you damn right he will fire him IF he gets too close to the ill gov/rezko/obama connection

"Patten: Will Obama Fire Patrick Fitzgerald?"

According to hannitity/boorzt/levine, he already has!

And that senate seat was "sold" as if some crime was actualy commited!

Great comedy, they sound more outlandish and fringe with every hissy fit!

"Bush has so corrupted the DoJ that Obama seriously needs to fire each and every single one of them."

Yes, and unlike the "firings" under Bush we won't make a big deal about...

That all sed, it was a stupid commutation.

The FALN commutations made no sense at all politically.

*ding*

You got one right.

It didn't make any sense morally, either, by the way.

That's why its so funny to watch sycophantic intellectual midgets defend the appointment of Holder--and then cross even newer and more exciting thresholds of ignorance by trying to justify his role in the pardons of human scum.

He's already nominated Eric Holder, who's also considered a crack attorney and prosecutor - highly respected by his peers. He's squeaky clean and has also been a U.S. Attorney, judge, and served for years at the Justice Dept.

I'd love to see Fitzgerald continue working on our behalf.

All U.S. Attorney's terms expire at 12 Noon January 20th

The USA firings by Gonzales are an entirely different matter. The AG's office is not supposed to ever be a poliical arm of the White House.

Ask John Mitchell, Richard Nixon's AG how that worked out. He learned to make license plates.

PINCHE

Are you going to answer my logical post about equal hate for Communist sympathizers?

#85

The Communist Chinese killed hundreds of thousands of American citizens in the Korean War blah...blah...blah

You're deflecting---and making stupid Red Herring arguments that have little or nothing to do with what a piece of shit Holder is.

Are you going to answer my logical post

Red Herrings are a logical fallacy.

Red herrings are delicious with hot bean sauce.

Shitbags help commute the sentences of murdering terrorists.

Holder helped commute the sentences of murdering terrorists.

Ergo, Holder is a shitbag.

Red herrings are delicious with hot bean sauce.

...and 2,000+ words of irrelevant prose.

Yes, and unlike the "firings" under Bush we won't make a big deal about...

~Dreamy

Everybody "fires" or accepts the tendered resignations of the incumbent USAs at the start of their first term.

Is pro forma.

Here's wot Bush did that was different from that...

Bush fired USA's a few months into his second term in an effort to politicise the DoJ to an insane level. Got rid of competent moral USA's and replaced them with stooges.

He only wanted overly loyal/ underly moral apparatchiks who would maliciously prosecute political rivals in order to help perpetuate Rove's vision of a perpetual GOP majority.

Their hundred year reich, as it were.

Bush also used a little known clause in the Patriot Act in order to install scum like Tim Griffins (a former oppo researcher) as USAs WITHOUT being vetted first by the Senate.

He also stuffed the DoJ with underly competent/ overly loyal religitards like Monica Goodling who were willing to apply political litmus tests to prospective hirees of the DoJ.

Hundreds of them at the DoJ and elsewhere.

Monigoo was a special (head)case who ended up becoming special assistant to Alberto "I Don't Remember" Gonzales, one of the worst AGs in American history.

Lomg term USAs and other legal eagles actually left the increasingly politicised body because their consciences wouldn't let them continue.

In case you were wondering wot the "big deal" was there.

/Not to mention the legal rationalisations for Torture that occured under Gonzo and John Yoo.

Nice to hear that you won't be biatching when Obama shitcans the BushCo clones though.

No really, that's sweet.

Be Well.

There hasn't been a single internal terrorist incident in Puerto Rico since the pardons.

But there have been in New York---which is where their crimes were committed---not Puerto Rico.

I don't think you're very well informed on the topic.

You're deflecting---and making stupid Red Herring arguments that have little or nothing to do with what a piece of shit Holder is.

#95 | Posted by Pinche_Mao

Hardly. You said:

I just hate the fucking Communist-sympathizing scum within our government that uses its power to pardon FALN terrorists.

#74 | Posted by Pinche_Mao

Now, do you hate all Communist sympathizers equally, or only when conveniently trying to bash a Democrat however you can?

My #85 post is entirely true. Communist China has killed more of our citizens than all of the rag tag terrorist bands put together and multiplied by 1000. They are THE largest Communist, repressive regime ever known to the Earth.

Do you or don't you approve of Bush's coddling of Communist China, his use of them as a bank, his reluctance to enforce trade laws, the millions of jobs shipped there with GOP passed tax credits, and their buildup of a military using OUR money?

Yes or no.

Simple question.

That is not a deflection. That is an honest question - you beinga Communist hater and all

Holder helped commute the sentences of murdering terrorists.

~Pinchy

Terrorists? Yes.

Murdering? No.

You overstate yer case, once again.

Mr. Clinton justified the clemencies by asserting that the sentences were disproportionate to the crimes. None of the petitioners, he stated, had been directly involved in crimes that caused bodily harm to anyone. "For me," the president concluded, "the question, therefore, was whether their continuing incarceration served any meaningful purpose."

No, AU.

You don't get to reduce geo-political economic policies that exist (and have always existed) between the U.S. and China down to "Communist Sympathizing" just to make some ill-informed deflection.

Murdering? No.

You overstate yer case, once again.

Except the sheer absurdity of Clinton's "justification" is the entire point of contention, isn't it?

None of the petitioners, he stated, had been directly involved in crimes that caused bodily harm to anyone

Neither was Bin Laden.

Quit being a dumbass.

Is someone going to mount an informed defense of Mr. Holder's role in:

A.) The Marc Rich pardons

or

B.) The pardoning of murdering FALN terrorist thugs?

If not, I'll move on to other things....

U.S. MILITARY KOREAN WAR STATISTICS

BATTLE DEAD* 33,686 (*Includes 4,735 findings of presumptive death under the Missing Persons Act)

Killed in Action
23,637
Died of Wounds
2,484
Died While Missing (MIA)
4,759
Died While Captured (POW)
2,806
Total: 33,686

This is how many American servicemen were killed by the Chinese military and their North Korean puppets:

How many people did the FALN who were pardoned kill?

0

Have we or have we not 'forgiven' the Chinese for these atrocities? Seems so.

Bush has used them like a Chase bank, we trade with them, we have a $700,000,000,000 a year trade deficit, we owe them over $200,000,000,000 and growing, we allow their citizens into our country to work with H-1B visas, million of our formerly American jobs are there now.

Be honest. This murderous Communist band of thugs have killed tens of thousands of Americans, steal out technology, and are building a military - not to make nicey nice with us, but to defeat us one day. They have always thought in terms of decades instead of years. They're patient.

You excuse the actions of Bush vis a vis the largest and most repressive Communist regime ever seen by mankind?

You shouldn't. You hate Communist sympathizers, right? Well, Bush has been one of the biggest in American history.

We established diplomatic relations with them a scant 20 years after the Korean War - AS THEY BACKED THE NORHT VIETNAMESE IN VIETMAN - providing weapons and other support!

Now, who's the biggest Communist sympathizer of them all?

It's spelled B U S H for this decade.

Holder said Rich was a mistake. That should settle that. Clinton would have done whatever he wanted to regardless of what Holder had to say as Deputy AG.

For that matter, Bush's dad let Rev. Sun Myung Moon back in the country - a convicted felon - convicted of the same charge as Rich. His son, W, went to Japan in the mid 90's to bail Moon out of a scrape there. Moon has offices a mile from the WH, and has been a regular in GOP circles.

The FALN who were pardoned weren't in prison for murder, as SPUD posted and linked.

You are very uncomfortable with the truth in my post about Communist sympathizers, aren't you?

I know logic is a hard thing to face, but fact it, PINCHE. You need to hate all Communist sympathizers equally.

I've given you all the right reason your hero Bush has looked the other way at their actions of even 25 years ago killing our troops in Vietnam, setting aside the 33,000+ in Korea.

What's it gonna be?

I know logic is a hard thing to face

Red Herrings aren't logic.

They're a logical fallacy, in fact.

His comments, including the astonishing claim that the FALN prisoners were being unfairly punished because of "guilt by association," were widely condemned as a concession to terrorists. Further, they were seen as an outrageous slap in the face of the victims and a bitter betrayal of the cops and federal law enforcement officers who had put their lives on the line to protect the public and who had invested years of their careers to put these people behind bars. The U.S. Sentencing Commission affirmed a pre-existing Justice Department assessment that the sentences, ranging from 30 to 90 years, were "in line with sentences imposed in other cases for similar terrorist activity."

The prisoners were convicted on a variety of charges that included conspiracy, sedition, violation of the Hobbes Act (extortion by force, violence or fear), armed robbery and illegal possession of weapons and explosives -- including large quantities of C-4 plastic explosive, dynamite and huge caches of ammunition. Mr. Clinton's action was opposed by the FBI, the Bureau of Prisons, the U.S. attorney offices that prosecuted the cases and the victims whose lives had been shattered. In contravention of standard procedures, none of these agencies, victims or families of victims were consulted or notified prior to the president's announcement.

Come back when you're prepared to debate the topic.

Neither was Bin Laden.

~PMSyndrome

Cos presumably planning, financing and over-seeing the 9/11 terror attacks isn't being directly involved?

And Spud is the dumbass in this picture?

Yer too funny.

The FALN who were pardoned weren't in prison for murder, as SPUD posted and linked.

~AU

Fer extra bonus points that quote was taken from the same article that Pinche linked to.

You know, the one where he complained...

I don't think you're very well informed on the topic.

Meh, Spud laffed anyways.

In point of fact the only way Clinton's commutation of these terrorists makes sense is if you see it as preventing these guys from becoming martyrs in the FALN vause of an independent PR and a cause celebre in certain American hatin' circles by continuing on indefinitely in prison.

Spud doesn't see it, personally, but the case could be made.

Be Well.

/Rich? Owed 48 Million in Taxes. Was involved in the Iran Contra affair in that he was trading with the Iranians during the hostage crisis as well as HW. He fled the country but his wife Denise "allegedly" funnelled cash into Bill's coffers and he got pardoned. If a Rethug was POTUS he woulda prolly bribed him successfully. Scooter Libby was his lawyer. DC is such an incestuous mess.

//Outtie
stage left.

Cos presumably planning, financing and over-seeing the 9/11 terror attacks isn't being directly involved?

Exactly.

And Spud is the dumbass in this picture?

Apparently so.

Only Democrats who PINCHE MAO can call "Communist Sympathizers" are worthy of his scorn.

Point out how ruthless, repressive China - largest Communist country in the world - is being coddled by the Bush Adninistration, how they've seemingly been forgiven for participating in the death of over 100,000 Americans (including Vietnam) and we're creating "red herrings" in response to PINCHE's original premise about "Communist Sympathizers" preempting Holder's nomination as Attorney General.

That's a riddle wrapped in a mystery wrapped in an enigma, to quote David Ferrie's character in JFK.

The FALN who were pardoned weren't in prison for murder

I didn't say they were.

I said they were murdering scum.

And they are.

And your new attorney general freed them.

Mr. Clinton's action was opposed by the FBI, the Bureau of Prisons, the U.S. attorney offices that prosecuted the cases and the victims whose lives had been shattered.

Left wing justice, baby.

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-11 05:45 PM

Maybe the governor of Puerto Rico asked that this happen to quell a rising tide of secessionist talk in the PR.

Self-determination for Puerto Rico should be encouraged. They should not be induced to stay with us.

re-
"You shouldn't. You hate Communist sympathizers, right? Well, Bush has been one of the biggest in American history."

Gotta point there.

Right wing economics, baby. (How's that workin' out for us, BTW?)

#111 | Posted by dethspud at 2008-12-11 08:30 PM

The FALN who were pardoned weren't in prison for murder, as SPUD posted and linked.

And Spud is the dumbass in this picture?

We deported Rev. Sun Myung Moon for felony tax evasion after his conviction.

Bush 41 let him back in. Bush 43 was sent to bail him out of jail in Japan.

Can you name me one other felon who'd get that same leg up to thrive and run in GOP circles like a celebrity?

Read "Bad Moon Rising", the most conprehensive book written about Moon. His connections in the GOP run deep. Special treatment, eh?

Oh, but I forget. Read paragraphs 3 and 4 again. (GOP sympathizer)

Left wing justice, baby.

#114 | Posted by Pinche_Mao

Una mano lava la otra

Mooooooo

You wonder what motivated the release of the FALN members? Could it be an identification by Clinton with his leftist roots, and a sense of ideological affiliation.

I'm not particularly infatuated with Holder's politics, but he did do a workmanlike job for Clinton, and as someone noted, the buck stops with Clinton, not Holder.

I can understand Clinton's pardon of Mark Rich, whose ex-wife lobbied in his behalf. She's not a bad looking woman, and she probably stirred Clinton's juices. And she's been around the block, so if Clinton asked, he probably got some reciprocation for signing a piece of paper.

But the seemingly unsolicted pardon of the unrepentant FALN terrorists, is another matter. It's difficult to figure out with the information available. Someone should make inquiry of Clinton himself. Ideology? There was no apparent nookie available. What else would motivate Clinton?

#119 | Posted by OzarkAggie at 2008-12-11 09:05 PM

Una mano lava la otra

Mooooooo

Different places. Different times.

But the seemingly unsolicted pardon of the unrepentant FALN terrorists...

True dat.

They hadn't even applied for clemency, which is a prerequisite under DOJ rules.

Right wing economics, baby. (How's that workin' out for us, BTW?)

By giving us the most powerful economy and society in human history?

By giving us the most powerful economy and society in human history?

#123 | Posted by Pinche_Mao at 2008-12-11 09:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Have you, like, been out of town or something? On a news holiday? Maybe just stupid?

Fitzgerald has proven himself as a leader on fighting government corruption on both sides of the aisle. Now that his crusade has reached Obama's side of the aisle, more specifically, his row of the aisle, Obama would look awfully suspicious removing him. Blagojevich and Rezko were joined at the hip, and Obama also had ties to Rezko. There is at least a small chance that Rezko gave up info on Blagojevich and that Blago knows something about Obama. Obama might want to stop Fitzgerald before he reaches the top.

(In case you've been away, we once had "the he most powerful economy and society" in the world largely due to liberal economic theory and practice. Recently, however, Bush and the right wing sold our balls to the ChiComs and we are now a beggar nation in - hopefully reversible - decline.)

re: "There is at least a small chance that Rezko gave up info on Blagojevich and that Blago knows something about Obama. Obama might want to stop Fitzgerald before he reaches the top."

"There is at least a small chance" that GW Bush is very, very drunk right now.

Good point. Let's all ignore what's obviously possible and applaud the firing of Fitzgerald if and when it happens. As Bob says, you'd hate America to do any differently.

we once had "the he most powerful economy and society" in the world largely due to liberal economic theory and practice.

LOL

God you're a fucking dumbass.

Either that or you profoundly misunderstand the term "liberal" as it applies to economics.

Probably both.

Is using union thuggery to over-inflate the cost of labor "liberal economic theory and practice"?

since you present yourself as a third party observer

Our vegetarian ventriloquist needs protein but he's a thin skin tuber; the starchy sap is turning to sucrose as the fungi are feasting. I wouldn't feed him to a dog. Maybe another species.

Bullhead catfish lay off the wharf. Wouldn't need a boat. It does come to mind that just letting them nibble his protrusive roots - fingers and toes - would assist him to understand the nature of self preservation.

He's a leach. A barnacle latched to the hull of the very vessel of freedom he enjoys and discredits. The view from the subterranean by deadspud. I think they manure their fields up there despite the humidity. No wonder he's so full of shit.

In case you've been away, we once had "the he most powerful economy and society"

We still do, Boyd.

I'm sorry if that runs afoul of your tender little left wing fairy tale.

Pinche-
Actually, your understanding of the term liberal seems to be limited to that of a post John Bircher baby. Dad in the club, too many John Wayne movies...?

RE- "Good point. Let's all ignore what's obviously possible and applaud the firing of Fitzgerald if and when it happens."

I'm not. It's possible that "w" is really drunk right now, so go ahead and tell us how ashamed you are that he fell off the wagon.

Better yet, Joe, why don't we place a bet on whether or not Obama replaces Fitz before he completes his investigation and prosecution?

Dad in the club, too many John Wayne movies...?

#133 | Posted by BetelG

I watched "The Cowboys" tonight. Did one of you relatives play the part of Mr. Nylinger?

My name's Homer Weams, Mr. Anderson.

And I hope I didn't ride the rough off of 'im!

(Boyd played Stuttering Bob)

Guess I got you pegged.

I will bet posting rights with anyone here that Fitzgerald will still be where he is today after Obama is sworn in.

You fucktards on the right love to get your panties in a bunch over nothing.

Taxman-
I await Joe's money, as I know where his mouth is...

Sorry Boyd, I don't sit at my computer 24/7. I never said that Obama replacing Fitzgerald prior to the end of his investigation was more probable than not. Perhaps you'd like to re-read the posts before you claim to have people "pegged."

"I will bet posting rights with anyone here that Fitzgerald will still be where he is today after Obama is sworn in."

How long after?

Fitz gives Obama an excuse to stay above the board, leastwise in Chicago. He gets to dump his old buddies, the trash, the tenements, the shady deals, and play on a bigger stage. I say he's smart to keep Fitz. Clinton didn't go back to Arkansas, and Bush is settling in Dallas. Presidents like to socialize. That's how they get rich.

Fitz is doing Obama a favor. Nobody cares unless he's indicted.

Joe-
If you're not even willing to place a virtual bet on your bullshit, then why should anyone take your "what ifs" half seriously?

You don't.

Sen. Dick Durbin has already asked Obama to retain Fitzgerald. As the senior (and currently only) Democratic senator from Illlinois, he's the one designated to recommend presidential appointments in Illinois. In all states and all administrations, these recommendations are almost always followed. (Durbin, by the way, is from Springfield, not Chicago.) Of course, all these Democrats know each other and sometimes worked together. But I can tell you, almost all of the Democrats broke with Blagojevich long ago. The one exception that might troublesome is Emil Jones, Illinois Senate president, who is retiring. He's remained an ally of Blagojevich and was a menor of Obama in the state Senate. He hasn't said anything about the latest mess yet, except to call the Senate into special next week to deal with it.

I hope all the right wingers will eat their crow in shamed silence when this firing doesn't occur.

If FLOP EARS fires Fitzgerald, we then know he was involved in this DEMOCRATIC Chicago Ill scum scandal. Maybe "Little Dicky" is involved!

All US Attornies turn in their resignations and are reappointed or replaced at the pleasure of the President.

I know Fitzgerald has a choirboy reputation but this Blagojevich arrest is very concerning from a legal standpoint. Yes, we all know Blagojevich is a dirtbag. Hell, his approval was 13% BEFORE this arrest. The problem is the arrest was made on a complaint, not an indictment. This may seem like an administrative 'nothing' to most people but it's significant and suggests a very low 'probable cause' threshold. Did anybody notice Fitzgerald said he would like anybody with information to contact his office? Oops. That's not a sign of strong evidence. Worse, Fitzgerald quoted from wiretaps. When have you ever heard of that being done? Good grief - what if later on a judge finds them inadmissable? And what about all the inflammatory comments Fitzgerald and the FBI agent made about how Illinois was a contender to be the most corrupt state in the nation (false) and that Lincoln would be rolling in his grave? Nice, Fitzgerald - thanks for tainting the whole jury pool!

It's easy for any nut to claim anything if they weren't there. I take anything I might stumble across on any fringe website with a grain of salt. People can write whatever they want on a blog without the same burden of proof the MSM is held to.

"...the same burden of proof the MSM is held to."

Thankfully, I've already finished my coffee or I would be cleaning it off the keyboard and screen. After the Obama love fest the MSM calls "a most historic presidential campaign," how can you believe the MSM is held to anything? Just ask objective journalist Chris "it's my job to make the Obama presidency a success" Matthews.

Blagojevich would be a fool to not take a plea deal. They have him dead to rights. There's the possibility the feds will use his wife as a bargaining chip. She was overheard on one of the tapes playing along with the 'pay for play' scheme.

His chief aide has turned government witness.

Facing a prison term one way or the other, Blagojevich would be smart to opt for a shorter term via a plea deal. There is no parole or early release for federal prison terms. If he's smart he'll take a deal.

good one macv...

and lets link this thread to another one

powell says that we should not listen to rush......so does that mean that he is telling us that we should listen to the msm....like when he was on meet the press endorsing obama?>??

Some are saying that Blagojevich is going to give up Daley.

I already know what Obama will do with Fitz and it should strike fear into the heart of every GOP apologist:

He'll appoint Fitz as the LEAD INVESTIGATOR of the Justice Department actions under the Bush Administration!

Talk about the trifecta! The Democrats' hands will be clean as Fitz re-investigates Rove, Meiers, and Gonzales, along with Goodling and her fellow Christianists, the missing e-mails, the Seigelman prosecution, the attorney firings, etal.

And if as expected, these all lead back to the Bush White House, Fitz will investigate their political influence over the role the JD played in its prosecutions.

Whatever happens, Obama already stated that he's leaving Fitz right where he is, at the least. The GOP better pray that he stays in Chicago and doesn't return to DC, for if he does Rove and Gonzo better head to Costa Rico.

He'll appoint Fitz as the LEAD INVESTIGATOR of the Justice Department actions under the Bush Administration!

Or Special Prosecutor

If Whitewater was such a pressing issue, surely investigating serious breaches of ethics (Rove, Meiers, and Gonzales, along with Goodling and her fellow Christianists, the missing e-mails, the Seigelman prosecution, the attorney firings, etal.) are more than worthy subjects of an investigation.

It'll go a long way to restoring trust for the rule of law

Obama has said several times during the election Fitz was going to remain in his job.

Obama never flip flops.

AU...

Wouldn't that be the bestest Christmas present of all-time?

Can you imagine Rove ignoring a subpeona from Fitz, and what Fitz would then do? Don't think Rove can talk his way out of this one like he did in the Plame investigation. And how would Gonzo do in front of Fitz? Oh, to be a fly on that wall!

This is one wish I HOPE AND PRAY people are forwarding to our President-elect. It would likely give Fitz the chance to tie-up the loose ends from the Libby trial as well.

Oh happy day!!!!

Obama never flip flops.

#155 | Posted by MURPHY

And still...

79% approval rating for President-elect Barack Hussein Obama!

Hail to the Chief, baby!

ah just remember mister newton

what goes up???????????

we have found out many things about your messiah havent we SA.....

politics as usual...>CHICAGO STYLE.......

and also remember WHY republicans were able to take over congress in 1994.

it was one thing after another for old blowjob billy

see anything similary happening to barry wayne???????

TONY

That would be terrific!!

Fitzgerald is something else. CC said what I was thinking the other day: He reminds me of Elliot Ness.

"What If...."
that will get you a free pass to ______________

NEWSMAX??? Sad that this made the front page.

NEWSMAX??? Sad that this made the front page.

~Prozacboi

Newsmax, like Worldnutdaily, exists only to make the National Enquirer look like a thoughtful tome filled with journalistic excellence in direct comparison.

I hope all the right wingers will eat their crow in shamed silence when this firing doesn't occur.

~WilliamJ

Are you kidding? Knowing them, if Fitz stays, Rush et al will personally take credit for the fact specifically because they spent all this time making these wild accusations.

As shameless as they are brainless are these guys most days.

pizza as usual...>CHICAGO STYLE.......

~Mr Trombone.

FTFY.

and also remember WHY republicans were able to take over congress in 1994.

it was one thing after another for old blowjob billy

Just curious here, but in yer Will have you left instruction to make reference to Bill's BJ on yer tombstone?

see anything similary happening to barry wayne???????

You mean rightwing nuts like yerself making shiatload of laughably unfounded allegations?

Why yes, now that you mention it.

Be Well.