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For homeless advocate Max Rameau, a vacant, boarded-up home is more than just a symbol of the national housing crisis. It's an opportunity to house the homeless. Rameau runs a controversial program in Miami that helps families squat in homes vacated because of bank foreclosures. Using Internet listings and a team of volunteers, Rameau and his Take Back the Land foundation matches homeless families with empty homes.

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Awesome.

I wonder how long that will last?

This is a huge problem where I live. A house will be abandoned for whatever reasons and then squatters move in. They live inside without utilities and rely upon buckets for a toilet and use candles for light.

Ultimately, the house winds up either in horrible condition or burns down. Either way, it turns into an unsellable property and just another blight for the block.

Now this is a provident use of resources. And it is a self-assembly sort of thing without 'a plan," and without additional cost to the government or even the owners.

Of course, "the perps," may be liable under RICO, or some other statute, and could end up in durance vile if anyone took particular offense at their activities. Those organizers may be one step away from a long prison term.

They are conspiring to use resources which are not theirs.

I wonder if the dispossessed, who use these shelters, are moving in much furniture, if the places are unfurnished? What about refrigerators and stoves,etc. Would they lose those items if the premises were repossessed?

With our system of laws, some drunk will burn the house down and injure some other occupants, possibly even his own family members, and the owner would end up liable in a law suit for not taking aggressive action to evict them from those unsafe premises.

Involuntary homelessness, no place to go and stay, is horribly sad unless the person is one of those insane folks, who would benefit from institutionalized care, for whom such a situation is a preference.

Involuntary homelessness, no place to go and stay, is horribly sad unless the person is one of those insane folks, who would benefit from institutionalized care, for whom such a situation is a preference.

#4 | Posted by Johnson

True, too bad that hero of the right, Ronnie Reagan, closed all the facilities and turned them out onto the streets.

I know I bash Ronnie Raygun a lot but GOD DAMN there is an awful lot of his legacy there to bash.
I doubt George Bush will end up as worst president in history, I am thinking REagan may beat him out for the honor.

Maybe the crack dealers can take advantage of the free houses. Get the homeless to manufactor and distribute.

Classic! The people that hopped on the greed train and bought too many properties to flip should be the ones to sit back and watch those in need find hope. So many people losing everything, so many resources in our midst, so too few to step up and take action. How about all of those unused cars being kept at remote lots because they wont sell. Where is the "car" robin hood?
Keep going folks and lets take back the good hearted country that we were supposed to be.
Enough of bailing out assholes, and lets start bailing out ourselves. If you don't like squaters in your neighborhood, take charge of it and manage the folks that need a roof over their head. Don't let those people making a difference stand alone!
VALKYRIE

I am glad the homeless are finding homes, because after January 20 the media will ignore them. Homelessness is only a cause worthy of Liberal handwringing during Repulican Administrations, but the the homeless magically disappear during Democratic Administrations. The Messiah will waive his magic wand and will end homelessness.

"Homelessness is only a cause worthy of Liberal handwringing during Repulican Administrations"

liberal handwringing during Republican adminstrations and constructive progress during Democratic administrations.
Lets see....what cures homelessness....oh yeah....JOBS....something Republicans send overseas.

Lets see....what cures homelessness....oh yeah....JOBS....something Republicans send overseas.

bullshit. chemical dependency and mental illness causes homelessness.

jobs don't remedy that.

Jobs, as in the jobs Democrats want to kill with their Global Warming Junk Science?

Certainly better than bulldozing them down.

They don't need to live without utilities either. Gas and water meter locks may be impossible to cut with ordinary tools, but not the valve bracket they mount in. The electric meters I've seen have nothing but a small wire with a company seal on it.

Go for it homeless people. Half of 'em are much smarter than our moron President.

"bullshit. chemical dependency and mental illness causes homelessness."

Riiight. Good to see you have such a firm grasp on the problems of unemployed people. They're all just lazy. About what I'd expect you to say.

chemical dependency and mental illness causes homelessness.

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Fits my brother to a T. He's an alcoholic with mental illnesses. Only reason he's not homeless is because my parents pay his living expenses.

Good to see you have such a firm grasp on the problems of unemployed people.

Good to see that you can't make the distintion between umemployed and homeless.

Homeless is comletely different and in the richest economy possible with jobs everywhere, there would still be homelessness........for the reasons I just mentioned.

Fits my brother to a T. He's an alcoholic with mental illnesses.

Mine too. Although mine gets disability and lives alone in a trailer.

All alcohol driven.....100%.

They're all just lazy. About what I'd expect you to say.

I didn't say "lazy". YOU DID and then attributed the comment to me.

I'm coming down on them. Alcoholism and drug addiction is serious and they are diseases.

show some compassion.

Riiight. Good to see you have such a firm grasp on the problems of unemployed people. They're all just lazy. About what I'd expect you to say.

So how many homeless have you or your company hired?
How many squatters have you and your family allowed to stay?

"So how many homeless have you or your company hired?"

I've taken in homeless friends of my kids, helped them find jobs, helped them find apartments several times. Drove them to work every day for months at a time. I think most folks with young adult kids have experienced much the same thing with young people without families to depend on.

There are plenty of alchoholics in Sweden, but NO homeless people.

Hell, Shrub is an addict and look where it got him.

What do you right minded, blame the victim, geniuses make of that?

I've taken in homeless friends of my kids

why were they homeless?

My brother doesn't get disability. He has epilepsy which doesn't qualify for disability. He's been diagnosed as bipolar and maybe schizophrenic (depending on the various doctors he's seen). Can't get him to fill out paper work since his first attempt before all the mental illness diagnosis.

One of the toughest things I've ever heard is when my mom said that sometimes she wishes he was dead. I think partially that guilt is what drives her to keep supporting him. In the end though, she knows she's enabling him. Then it just becomes a vicious cycle.

He's been diagnosed as bipolar and maybe schizophrenic (depending on the various doctors he's seen). Can't get him to fill out paper work since his first attempt before all the mental illness diagnosis.

I'm sure that is very difficult for all of you.

What do you right minded, blame the victim, geniuses make of that?

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There's functioning alcoholics and non-functioning alcoholics. I got this email from my brother about an hour or so ago. I've removed the email addresses.

Thursday, December 11, 2008 2:28 PM
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It would have been nice if Congress had the brains to appropriate some of that $700B bank bailout to be applied to purchasing some of these foreclosed homes and turn them into low income housing.
How many homes could have been purchased with the money AIG pissed away on Company meetings/parties?

I know I bash Ronnie Raygun a lot but GOD DAMN there is an awful lot of his legacy there to bash.
I doubt George Bush will end up as worst president in history, I am thinking REagan may beat him out for the honor.

#6 | Posted by danni

I hope that after your time on earth is over DANNI, you are resigned to spend all eternity living in the United States circa 1979. Apart from the Steelers going for number 4, not much else to celebrate until the November elections.

Your a tool DANNI. It can't be said enough. I honestly think you were dropped on your head countless times as a baby.

I think most folks with young adult kids have experienced much the same thing with young people without families to depend on.
#20 | Posted by danni at 2008-12-11 03:09 PM

Whatever. "I was born a poor black child" - DANNI.

Pirate,
Was religion involved in his sickness? I have found many similarities of people going over the edge and becoming almost fanatical or think they were prophets.

It amazes me how many people right here on Drudge have close family members suffering mental diseases. I can only hope none have had to takedown or watch a 5150 subject being subdued. I will say the medicines are a blessing when they are taken. Hate to think what the side effects are and can understand ones refusal to stay on them.

I'm sure that is very difficult for all of you.

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It's been a disaster. Multiple things coming into play. My parents are divorced and so their past hurts exasperate the situation. Went to a NAMI meeting a couple years ago and one thing they mentioned is that there just isn't enough adequate mental illness services in Illinois.

At least the pipes don't get torn out of the walls and all the windows broken as in Akron! The banks do not even want the homes.

Was religion involved in his sickness? I have found many similarities of people going over the edge and becoming almost fanatical or think they were prophets.

Danni just made it clear that the blame must be because of unemployment caused by Ronald Reagan and George Bush.

Crispee,

Not really, he's been interested in eastern religions. He's done lots of drugs though and was somewhat into Timothy Leary in late high school/early college. Before he got divorced, he drank a massive amount of beer and coffee. Personally, I think he did alter his consciousness through all the drugs but in a bad way. He did call me up once and say he was Jesus though.

He says he drinks because it helps him connect to human suffering. He thinks he can solve world hunger in 3 days. He's big into Buckminster Fuller as well.

He is a big peace supporter but ironically can be really violent. Been arrested quite a few times and tazed. Thrown a chair through my mom's front window and smashed holes in the wall. That's type of violence has been a few years. Although he was arrested and tazed in late summer.

Barney Frank and The Community Reinvestment Act caused this housing crisis and now come the homeless with their apologists to trash the vacant houses.

I've had relationships with people who were mentally ill and I experienced similar problems to what Pirate describes though minus the alcohol or drugs. I tried my best to find help, even went to a judge and had them Baker acted, Did no good whatever, as soon as they would get out of the hospital they would fear the drugs and stop taking them and then become psychotic and violent. Worst thing I ever had to deal with and made me feel completely helpless. Finally the person left and hasn't been heard from since. I don't want to get into the relationship but it was a very close one and that situation is still my most painful memory to this day and this all happened thirty years ago.
Sometimes I agree with Pirate's mom, death would have been preferable to the suffering that mental illness causes if you can't get adequate help and I never could.

"Barney Frank and The Community Reinvestment Act caused this housing crisis and now come the homeless with their apologists to trash the vacant houses."

Debunked talking point.
Repeating it won't make it true.

Pirate,
I have a brother who was a top athlete in Orange County. Never made it past college level and found himself with nothing to look forward to. He couldn't afford the vitamins and health foods he was accustomed to and physically started going downhill. One day I found him sitting on the toilet for about 3 hours at my mothers house. I got so pissed that I dragged him out of the bathroom and started berating him. Obviously ignorant to his problems. He just sat there with a blank stare and didn't blink or move a muscle. Well of course my mom came home and freaked out and didn't know what to do. Next thing I know he is up and swinging at me. Keep in mind he was not at his physical best but at 6-4 250 and oblivious to pain I was able to get him down. After 10 minutes of yelling at my mother to call the cops and the entire neighborhood watching, they arrived and didn't have enough people to take him into custody. Needless to say the arriving help beat the hell out of him and got him to a hospital. This was the beginning of the continuous nightmare. Will be 18 years next week.

I doubt George Bush will end up as worst president in history, I am thinking REagan may beat him out for the honor.

#6 | Posted by danni

Debunked talking point.
Repeating it won't make it true.

Sometimes I agree with Pirate's mom, death would have been preferable to the suffering that mental illness causes if you can't get adequate help and I never could.

#34 | Posted by danni

Good thing we have you libs around to determine when life begins, ends and when it's worth living!

The poor should thank Barney Frank. Free Houses. Pick One

"Barney Frank and The Community Reinvestment Act caused this housing crisis"

Barney Frank spent most of the last decade as a minority member of a Republican controlled committee.

The CRA wasn't even involved in half the bad loans.

Crispee,

Man, that really sucks. It's only been 4 years here...at least my knowledge of it. I couldn't imagine another 14 years. If it goes on that long, it will drive my parents to early deaths.

True, too bad that hero of the right, Ronnie Reagan, closed all the facilities and turned them out onto the streets.

#5 | Posted by TFDNihilist

Is that so? And your proof is?

Why didn't someone try to stop it?

Someone did: "The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago," The New York Times, September 11, 2003.

But someone intervened to stymie the Bush administration. Who?

The New York Times reports:

Supporters of the companies said efforts to regulate the lenders tightly under those agencies might diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families. . . . "These two entities Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are not facing any kind of financial crisis," said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing."
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Crispee,

Man, that really sucks. It's only been 4 years here...at least my knowledge of it. I couldn't imagine another 14 years. If it goes on that long, it will drive my parents to early deaths.

Pirate,
The sad part is nobody knows if he will go off again or maintain a normal life. he was good and productive for about 5-10 years after getting the correct medication. Then something bad would happen and like a crack head reaching for their pipe he would get back into the imbalanced stage. Now of course I am 47 and he is about 300 lbs. Although I think he knows I wouldn't hesitate to cheap shot him if he did anything as well as call the cops.As for what it does to the parents... On one hand they enable him by helping him out. On the other hand he expects the help and threatens to go off if ignored. Hopefully your brother will find the medium and remove some of the guilt and pressure on your parents. By all means though have them file for federal help. They can be compensated and he can get free help. Hope it works out for you. I wouldn't wish this on anyone. Luckily I am a shallow, selfish asshole who has accepted or ignored the current and future problems after my folks pass.

Well here is Factcheck.org's take on the mortgage crisis and Barney Frank isn't mentioned:

The Real Deal

So who is to blame? There's plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn't fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn't do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of "layered irresponsibility ... with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role." Here's a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:

The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.

Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.

Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.

Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.

The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.

Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.

Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.

Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.

The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.

An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.

Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) the crisis is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult.

www.factcheck.org

We didn't have this problem until Ronald Reagan cut off funding for mental health.

D.C. in 1980 was a whole 'nother town before Ronnie rolled into town and brought his "compassionate conservatism" to Washington, D.C. Parks and bridge overpasses filled up really fast all across America.

Homelessness among veterans is at epidemic proportions. The Obama's plan to fix that and take care of our own.

chemical dependency and mental illness causes homelessness.

jobs don't remedy that.

#11 | Posted by eberly

Um yeah sure cupcake.

#9 | Posted by member2586 at 2008-12-11 02:16 PM | Reply | Retard Flag

Jobs, as in the jobs Democrats want to kill with their Global Warming Junk Science?

#12 | Posted by member2586 at 2008-12-11 02:25 PM | Reply |Super Retard Flag

'''chemical dependency and mental illness causes homelessness.'''

Holy fucking oversimplifications batman!

"Good thing we have you libs around to determine when life begins, ends and when it's worth living."

ELO. Libs also want to tell us where are children have to go to school, what foods we should eat, what cars to drive, where to smoke, where to say the pledge of allegiance, etc.

Barney Frank will soon be giving us a demonstration of how to wipe our ass the correct (lib) way with our fingers instead of using toilette paper to save natural resources.

Barney Frank and The Community Reinvestment Act caused this housing crisis and now come the homeless with their apologists to trash the vacant houses.

#33 | Posted by fwthom at 2008-12-11 03:36 PM | Reply | the retard that keeps on giving flag

The CRA wasn't even involved in half the bad loans.

#39 | Posted by Danforth

But all the cra loans have gone bad

Lets see....what cures homelessness....oh yeah....JOBS....something Republicans send overseas.

#10 | Posted by danni

Gosh, Danni, I had no idea that only republicans owned and ran companies. And I certainly didn't know that the only ones who have moved overseas were run by republicans. I also didn't know that taxes and regulations brought on by democrats had nothing to do with outsourcing. Amazing how you throw that whole issue to the right side. How, either stupid, or intellectually dishonest.

I've taken in homeless friends of my kids, -Danni

These happen to be the latest and sorriest examples of the homeless. Most of these kids are brats and they live on the streets because their parents just weren't cool to them. They made them do homework and grounded them when they got into trouble. So, what did they do? They ran away and are now living on our streets begging for change to make enough for a hit of smack or to make it to the next big city.

Hell, Shrub is an addict and look where it got him.
Nutcase

Wrong. He's a recovering alcoholic. There is a big difference. However, the term addict applies perfectly to Obama since he is an admitted cocaine and marijuana user.

The inabi;llity by m,y motbner to feel her son is An accuesemen5tg against so ciety- Pirate

Yep. He's an alcoholic alright. I've been sober for 6 years now, but I can attest to writing very similar emails when drowning in my disease.

Went to a NAMI meeting a couple years ago and one thing they mentioned is that there just isn't enough adequate mental illness services in Illinois.

#29 | Posted by Pirate

My mistake. I thought you said he was either a functioning or non-functioning alcoholic. No matter, I still wrote similar emails. Truth be told, addicts and alcoholics are mentally disturbed. Some more than others. In most cases, the mental problems can be solved with long term sobriety and constant work on oneself.

'''chemical dependency and mental illness causes homelessness.'''

Holy fucking oversimplifications batman!

#49 | Posted by panchovilla

You are free to prove me wrong.

I wouldn't try, eberly.

Fact: I have spent years working with the homeless. Not only do I run a church and volunteer at the local soup kitchen, I ran a non-profit on the West coast providing advocacy, transportation, and transitional housing for them, funded by a labor company rather than government largess. I see the future in that.

Mental illness is the number one cause you run into. Chemical addiction is there too.

The problem of sorting out what caused what is complicated by the fact that mental illness frequently leads to addiction, just like addiction often leads to mental illness, and this is further stressed by the reality that homelessness triggers mental illness and chemical addiction just as frequently as it is caused by it.

People are also frequently shocked to learn that it isn't necessarily anything big or obvious that puts a person on the street. Evictions can lead to losing the inadequate but better than nothing job you had, breaking up with your boyfriend can get you kicked out of the apartment leased in his name, a tragic house fire, a big move, getting swindled - and let's not forget sloth and pride.... I've seen a lot of reasons in my day.

But yes, mental illness and chemical addiction are the two biggest factors. I hesitate to say cause, but they definitely become an issue when it comes to making a homeless person back into a human being.

As for Reagan, one good thing that did happen, shortly after he shut down all the mental health institutions is that he was then guilted into signing the McKinney Act, which happens to be the ONLY federal legislation ever passed on the issue of homelessness. It was this bill that declared it a national obligation for the US Armed Services to designate any safe and unused buildings it has as legal homeless shelters, as needed by the towns they are in. I've used that law to get people out of blizzards and the like, so it does some actual good here and there.

Here's hoping Obama helps push thru better homeless legislation sometime in the next 4 years.....

"They don't need to live without utilities either. Gas and water meter locks may be impossible to cut with ordinary tools, but not the valve bracket they mount in. The electric meters I've seen have nothing but a small wire with a company seal on it."

#13 | Posted by nutcase

So you are advocating outright theft and damage to private property.

We as a nation are getting what we wished for, throw them out and they have to go somewhere, it is not like the republican way and they just go away.

I suppose it wouldn't make any difference to any of you that are prone to believing that homelessness is some self-caused disease and that their situation is so easily turned around if only they'd stop self-medicating and seek counseling. Some are lost and can never come back. It's beautiful that some still have families that care about them and refuse to let them fall into the abyss.

Sometimes, Ebbs, it's just plain ol' bad luck that puts you on the street. If you bring a bottle of quality whiskey with you, I'll tell you the tale.

Not sure why this thread devolved into questioning the political faults regarding homelessness.

IMO, this is insane. People are kicked out of their house because they can't pay their mortgage on schedule, so people who haven't paid a dime into the house replace them???
Why not let those people who already paid for some of the value of the house stay there instead? Or do they not deserve it, since they have some money?

This may seem like a compassionate solution to the problem, but good luck getting the homeless out when this thing turns around.

With our system of laws, some drunk will burn the house down and injure some other occupants, possibly even his own family members, and the owner would end up liable in a law suit for not taking aggressive action to evict them from those unsafe premises.
#4 | Posted by Johnson at 2008-12-11 10:40 AM

Would not be surprised. Even more so, what if someone else gets injured on the property due to something the homeless person did? Do you think they have homeowner's insurance? And if these houses turn into meth labs, or catch fire and cause damage/loss of lives, who do you point the finger at?

This is a case of good intentions leading to bad ideas...

Oh Yes! The modern day Robin Hood out to save the huddled masses. What happens when someone gets a hang nail as the result of their breaking & entering? Enter the lawyers to get the "victim" $10,000 in damages from the bank or the owner or whomever they can stick it to. I'm all for helping people who help themselves but not all homeless are victims. Habitat for Humanity has done lots in the way of low income housing in the cities near where I live and if you look at the houses a few years later what do you find? They're usually trashed. The behaviors or circumstances that lead to homelessness cannot be addressed by someone who wants to look like a hero while encouraging people to break the law. Are they going to provide the lawyers for these people when/if they get busted or will it be the tax-paid public defender? Churches and private charities do more to combat homelessness than anyone else and they don't use it a publicity stunt to get a pat on the back. Homelessness can happen to anyone and it is very sad but this is a bad idea resulting from good intentions as previously posted.

applied to purchasing some of these foreclosed homes and turn them into low income housing.

There is low income housing for people if they need it. I suspect alot of these people are those who fall into grey areas. Homelessness is a problem. But it is a problem that takes massive resources that would overtake any society. I think if we somehow solve the mentally ill problem, we defacto solve the homeless situation. Alot of people are just that, ill and no one wants to deal with them. It takes a special person to care for someone mentally ill. And it also costs ALOT of money to pay for them.
And before you assholes go jumping on me and distorting my words as you always do, when I say solve mentally ill, I mean find a way to pay for institutions and medication, which I see as the only solution to this. But then again, it always comes down to the money.

Churches and private charities do more to combat homelessness

Which is how, in my opinion, our society is designed to work. But there isnt enough money or resources there, so then we turn to the government to save them. The federal govt, in my opinion, should not be in the mental health business, the states should. I have never understood why liberals dont get this. But then again, when the money runs out, they go looking elsewhere, and most assume the taxpayer has deep pockets, as this bailout shows.

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