Obama takes command again, in a positive way. The conservative press will try to make something of this even though the FBI and Blag have both said Obama had no part in this scandal. The America haters will howl that Obama was behind the whole thing.

The America haters will howl that Obama was behind the whole thing.

Honestly, bOoB -- your whole "America hater" schtick is getting really, really old. Just because someone questions what's going on (even if the questions are absurd) does not mean they hate America. Just because someone lives by different ideologies than you does not make them America haters, either. Likewise, just because everyone dosn't do exactly what you do does not make them America haters.

Get a grip on reality if that's even remotely possible for you.

You can only be an America hater if you're a liberal. Everyone knows that.

Obama takes command again, in a positive way.
Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Word on the street is that he will call for the Sun to rise in the East and set in the West.

Wisgod-
So, do you agree that "America haters" are all liberal/left? If not, can you name a recent conservative/right group or person that is an "America hater"?

I can't.

"If not, can you name a recent conservative/right group or person that is an "America hater"?"

US Chamber of Commerce. American haters.

I believe Obama had nothing to do with this. I also belive Emanuel has ties to all of these criminals in IL. He should resign because of this and his profitering from the financial deals that helped to cause the current credit crisis.

"He should resign because of this and his profitering from the financial deals that helped to cause the current credit crisis."

Emanuel caused the credit crisis???
Getting deep here, wading boots time.

"I also belive Emanuel has ties to all of these criminals in IL"

I agree but a resignation seems a little premature. It's going to be interesting to see how deep the cookie jar gets. Not that we may ever be able to see the bottom of it.

"I believe Obama had nothing to do with this."

...that's like believing that the guy in a getaway car waiting outside has nothing to do with a bank robbery...in any case, it will be his own that will cause his demise at the end and not conservatives or republicans who became irrelevant.

Obama takes command again, in a positive way. The conservative press will try to make something of this even though the FBI and Blag have both said Obama had no part in this scandal. The America haters will howl that Obama was behind the whole thing.

Hey Buffalo Boob your biased paint them all with one big brush opinion is wrong , I consider myself to be a conservative and I did not support Obama in his election. I do support Obama in taking the initiative in getting rid of this piece of corrupt trash...

Barry better be careful or Blogo will let all the dem skeletons out of the closet.

Ataxpayer

You wanted more Bush and you call me a Boob?

Talk about a self retorting retort...

Read the post above yours and the one below it to see what the America haters think.

Barry better be careful or Blogo will let all the dem skeletons out of the closet

Whoever killed Oswald wants to kill Blago!!!!

FACT!!!!

"But I'm a superstitious man. And if some unlucky accident should befall him - If he should get shot in the head by a police officer, or if he should hang himself in his jail cell - or if he's struck by a bolt of lightning, them I'm going to blame some of the people in this room, and that I do not forgive."

JAMES_DEAN what FACT? There are two FACTS: 1) your posts are juvenile and FACTLESS, and 2) Your opinions aren't FACTS.

James_Dean and fwthom speak for themselves and certainly do not reflect my opinions, I do not even like Obama and as I said did not support him during the election, I will however give credit where credit is due. Obama did the right thing in calling for the govenors resignation and I support him. So far as James Dean and fwthom it may be they are just busting your balls...

Buffalo_Bob James_Dean and fwthom speak for themselves and certainly do not reflect my opinions, I do not even like Obama and as I said did not support him during the election, I will however give credit where credit is due. Obama did the right thing in calling for the govenors resignation and I support him. So far as James Dean and fwthom it may be they are just busting your balls...

ooops

I agree with ATaxpayer. He has exceeded my expectations so far.

"I agree with ATaxpayer. He has exceeded my expectations so far."

#20 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-11 09:55 AM | Reply | Flag: Refreshing honesty and candor

A tip o' the Tilley to both ATaxpayer and Wisgod.

Hans

ATAXPAYER has exceeded my expectations this a.m.

Obama takes command again, in a positive way. The conservative press will try to make something of this even though the FBI and Blag have both said Obama had no part in this scandal. The America haters will howl that Obama was behind the whole thing.

But don't you think it a bit interesting that the Dems are trying their best to quash this asap? This is just Chicago politics, isn't it? What's the big deal? Why does Obonehead even need to chime in on this? Why is every Democrat, from local to federal level, calling for one of their own's removal, impeachment? What's the rush? Don't we want to get to the bottom of this? Shouldn't we allow Mr. Fitz to get to the bottom of this? I mean it's not as though Mr. Blago is going to appoint some Republican to the office of Senate? As has come out in the press, the good governor has been interviewing legitimate and likely candidates for the position, fella's like Jackson 5? So what's the big deal? Why so many Dems out there who want to stomp on this burning fuse, when standard operating procedures of the past says you circle the wagons and protect your own?

Obama is taking command here?

Yep, he's doing all that he can to cover his rear end. Indeed, the entire Democrat party is doing the same.

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmmmmmmmm!"

Indeed, the entire Democrat party is doing the same.

Wow, you mean the Democrats are first and foremost politicians and are concerned about not getting hit by the inevitable blowback that this will cause in the 2010 elections? You mean that they live in the real world, and realize that in order to push their agenda forward they actually have to be in office?

I thought they lived in a magical land of rainbows and gumdrops, where there's no such thing as bipartisan politics! Where the public perception of their party doesn't matter!

I said it before and I'll say it again. Theo Nebs' posts: things that make you go "Huh?"

ATAXPAYER has exceeded my expectations this a.m.

Posted by danni

Sorry bout that Taxman....Just look at who is endorsing you now!

lol!

FACT!

I thought they lived in a magical land of rainbows and gumdrops, where there's no such thing as bipartisan politics! Where the public perception of their party doesn't matter!

#24 | Posted by Kinger

You forgot the part where they fart roses.

KINGER

The only Democrat indicted or accused of wrongdoing is Blagojevich. One.

The last three Illinois governors (including Blagojevich's predecessor) were Republicans.

The last three governors indicted and imprisoned were Republicans.

President-Elect Obama, along with everyone else in the state of Illinois, has called for this lunatic to be removed. I think it is crystal clear by now that Blogo is not going to go quietly into that dark night - and it's for sure his wife will be dragged away kicking and screaming (and possibly re-enacting the part of Lady Macbeth as she is dragged out of the governor's mansion). What a pair. I feel sorry for their kids.

I hear Blago has Obama's REAL birth certificate showing he was born in Kenya!

FACT!!!

Illinois AG threatens to act soon against embattled governor if he refuses to resign

Dec 11, 2008 09:04 EST

Illinois' attorney general on Thursday threatened to go to the state Supreme Court to have embattled Gov. Rod Blagojevich declared unfit to hold office if he doesn't resign soon.

"I am prepared to take action," state Attorney General Lisa Madigan said on CNN.

She said the best thing would be for Blagojevich (bluh-GOY'-uh-vich) to resign. The governor was arrested Tuesday on charges that he put President-elect Barack Obama's Senate seat up for sale and he has ignored calls for his resignation.

"The easiest way for us to move on in the state of Illinois is for Governor Blagojevich to do the right thing for the people and to resign," she said. "Now, it doesn't appear that he has any inclination to do that. Maybe things will change today or tomorrow."

Madigan said she "won't wait terribly long."

"I have the opportunity to go to our Illinois Supreme Court and ask them to declare our governor is unable to serve and put in our lieutenant governor as acting governor," Madigan said.

"Obama takes command again, in a positive way. The conservative press will try to make something of this even though the FBI and Blag have both said Obama had no part in this scandal. The America haters will howl that Obama was behind the whole thing." #1 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

This post is the funniest thing I have read in a week. Obama is just covering his ass, not taking command. It is the America haters that blamed Bush for every single thing that was bad regardless of the facts. Too funny. My how the tides have turned. Even if Obama does not feel the flag has any symbolic meaning, his followers are rampantly waving their "I am pro-America now" flag.

ATAXPAYER has exceeded my expectations this a.m.
Posted by danni
Sorry bout that Taxman....Just look at who is endorsing you now!
lol!
FACT!

Here is a FACT I will support Obama when he makes good decisions as he did in this case. I would be the first one to call bullshit if Obama was attempting sweep this under the rug that however is not the case. Obama has addressed the situation and called for the govenors resignation which is exactly what he should do. As for the "endorsement" as you put it I take it that I am supposed to be embarrassed somehow because I happen to agree with Danni and Wisgod that Obama did the right thing in this case, if that is your point you must be saying that we should all stick together no matter how stupid the party line point of view is. I would rather form my own opinions and let the chips fall where they may, Danni will be the first to tell you most of the time we disagree I do however respect her opinions and sometimes as in this case we agree...

A Few Questions

1 "Did you communicate directly or indirectly with Blagojevich about picking your replacement in the U.S. Senate?"

Obama issued a categorical statement Tuesday that he personally hadn't spoken with Blagojevich about the seat but seemed to correct himself in a way that suggested others around Obama might have.

"I had no contact with the governor or his office and, so we were not I was not aware of what was happening," Obama said.

Yet, according to prosecutors' characterizations of Blagojevich's wiretapped telephone conversations, the Illinois governor seemed to believe he had a channel of communications with Obama's team.

For instance, Blagojevich was recorded speaking to a union official who Blagojevich "understood was an emissary" to discuss the interest of Obama confidant Valerie Jarrett in the seat, according to the criminal complaint unveiled Tuesday.

But at some point, Blagojevich seemed to become aware that Obama's team had no interest in his favored option he would pick Jarrett in exchange for being named secretary of health and human services, prosecutor allege. How did he know that?

2 "Why didn't you or someone on your team correct your close adviser David Axelrod when he said you had spoken to Blagojevich about picking your replacement?"

Last month, Axelrod unambiguously described a conversation between Obama and Blagojevich about filling the seat.

"I know he's talked to the governor and there are a whole range of names, many of which have surfaced, and I think he has a fondness for a lot of them," Axelrod told an interviewer from Chicago's Fox affiliate.

But then, Axelrod retracted the comment after the president-elect asserted Tuesday that he hadn't spoken to Blagojevich. Axelrod issued a statement saying he "was mistaken when I told an interviewer last month that the President-elect has spoken directly to Governor Blagojevich about the Senate vacancy. They did not then, or at any time, discuss the subject."

3. "When did you learn the investigation involved Blagojevich's alleged efforts to sell' your Senate seat, or of the governor's impending arrest?"

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said it was not until Tuesday that Obama learned the details of the complaint against Blagojevich the same day it was released to the public and wouldn't say exactly when or how Obama was notified.

But at least some people got an early heads-up: Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. told reporters that he was notified Monday night by federal prosecutors that the investigation was coming to a head, that an arrest was imminent and that Jackson was not a target.

4 "Did you or anyone close to you contact the FBI or U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald about Blagojevich's alleged efforts to sell your Senate seat to the highest bidder?"

Blagojevich seems to believe that Obama's team was aware of and had rejected his offers, telling Harris in a wiretapped Nov. 11 conversation that Obama was "not willing to give (Blagojevich) anything except appreciation" for picking Jarrett.

If Blagojevich contacted anyone on Obama's team even hinting at a possible pay-for-play arrangement, it seems they would have been obligated to report that to law enforcement.

One report out of Chicago suggested the possible tipster was Rahm Emanuel, Obama's pick for chief of staff and a potential conduit for any communications from Blagojevich's office to Obama. But Emanuel's office has denied that story.

Carrie Budoff Brown contributed. POLITICO

If there were republicans this deep in it, the headlines would be a great deal more volatile & suggestive, just true. I didn't vote for Obama, haven't been too surprised or (to my own surprise) horrified by his direction, picks & so forth, but to act like this doesn't involve him on some level is just stupid and naive. He is the president elect & Senator from the state in which all this is going down for heaven's sake. Of course he talked with some of these folks at some point! I would be concerned if he hadn't. Did he have conversations with the governor of the state he represents @ the federal level? One would certainly expect so. It does seem however that there is an inordinate amount of CYA being applied here. Even if its just that "impression" it is there. The term, "where there's smoke, there's fire" comes to mind. The questions will become what did he know & when did he know it? Those are the standard ones right? Do we really expect anything else? This is just everday dealings in Chicago as far as even a casual observer could tell participated in by both sides on a regular basis. To say that the left wouldn't be having a field day if the roles were reversed is just BS and the press would be far more enthusiastic. Jesse Jackson Jr. is an opportunist just like dear old dad & I will rejoice the day that anything affilited with that name is gone from politics altogether! Any black leader who celebrates & encourages racism to keep themselves relevant has to go. Take Sharpton with you please! I'm not surprised that corruption comes out of Chicago, is anyone? And we all just elected their posterboy because he was going to bring "change" and "honor" back to the whitehouse? LOL. We get what we deserve from this administration. He will be far more corrupt and abuse power in ways no politician before him ever has just because we'll let him. If we speak out too much we're racist, the press is in the tank for him, and of course he isn't Bush, so that is enough for most people, never mind that what he IS is exactly what they claim to hate most in Bush. Let the good times roll. God help us. Give Obama enough rope & he'll hang himself which is true of most in power so don't get all offended on his behalf. The right doesn't need to get its panties in a wad over him speaking to people he should be expected to have conversations with, wait for the good stuff, I'm sure its there and this kind of stupid shit negates it when it rears its ugly head. Steals the thunder so to speak. I'm glad that BO called for the resignation but it all reeks of CYA.

Even if Obama does not feel the flag has any symbolic meaning...

Posted by KBM

Wow! You had to reach really deep into the recesses of long-debunked crap to pull that one out.

KaBooM!

There seem to be allegations conjecture and speculation but not one single FACT to show Obama is somehow complicit or has knowledge that would directly involve him. He has acted in a manor consistent with what a President elect should do by calling for the govenors resignation. Baseless accusations only serve to prove the willingness to jump all over Obama before he even has the chance to screw up. Where are the facts that demonstrate Obama was complicit or had knowledge and don't say proximity, I was once in a bank that was being robbed but was not complicit...

There's no evidence that Obama is involved in any way. Republicans should leave this issue where it is rather than trying to make so much more from it. They smell blood in the water and can't wait to attack; the problem is that there's nothing more here than meets the eye. It seems highly likely that Obama spoke to Blagojevich about his seat and probably had his own opinions about who should fill it. However, that's not a crime. Blagojevich was determined to get something for that seat; that's where the crime occurred.

Why would Obama be involved anyway? He's not in a position to benefit from the appointment. Regardless what happened, a Democrat would have filled the seat.

Republicans are weary of defending their corrupt administration, and I think they view this as a way of being obstructionist and creating distractions. They want to make this issue into another Watergate or Iran-Contra. Their problem is that it's an issue of corruption within Illinois governor's office.

Obama just won the Presidency he has the world by the tail and yet he has time for this, Please I am sure he has much bigger fish to fry than this. The clamoring to somehow tie Obama to this is simply absurd and posting conspiracy theory's only serves to make one look ignorant and stupid, that coming from a republican conservative who thinks Rush Limbaugh is too far to the leftGive it a break there is not even any smoke much less fire...

Obama HOPES to cover his political ass and wants to CHANGE the subject of discussion. That is what he meant during the election by HOPE and CHANGE.

Obama addresses Blagojevich scandal during press conference

President-elect Barack Obama opened up his press conference Thursday morning with a few words on the scandal involving his former US Senate seat, which led to the arrest of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich earlier this week, before introducing former Senator Tom Daschle as his choice for Secretary of Health and Human Services.

Obama said he was "aware of your interest in the matter of the Illinois Senate appointment."

"I have never spoken to the governor on this subject," Obama said.

The former Illinois senator said that no one on his staff was involved in any 'pay-to-play' conversations, and that Blagojevich's actions made him personally "appalled and disappointed."

"I am confident that no representatives of mine would have any part of any deals related to this seat," Obama added. "I think the materials released by the US attorney reflect that fact. I have asked my team to gather the facts of any contacts with the governor's office related to this vacancy so that we can share them with you over the next few days. Finally on this matter, let me say that this Senate seat does not belong to any politician to trade. It belongs to the people of Illinois and they deserve the best possible representation and they deserve to know that any vacancy will be filled in an appropriate way so that whoever is sent to Washington is fighting for the people of Illinois. I hope and expect that the leaders of the legislature will take steps to make sure this is so."

After Daschle spoke briefly on his nomination, Obama took questions from the press, who, of course, focused right away on the ongoing Blagojevich scandal.

DEVELOPING...

There's no evidence that Obama is involved in any way. Republicans should leave this issue where it is rather than trying to make so much more from it... They want to make this issue into another Watergate or Iran-Contra. Their problem is that it's an issue of corruption within Illinois governor's office.

If so, then why are Dems all over the country ivolving themselves in this city's politics? If the GOP is making more of this than they should be, then how about the Dems doing the same, telling us, "There's nothing here, there's nothing here....quick, impeach Blago...there's nothing here!!??? And not only the Dems, but the media itself trying to help poor Barry get distance from this.

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmmmmmm!"

The last three governors indicted and imprisoned were Republicans.

#28 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Don't forget the 30 some aldermen. All politicians and dens.

If someone was pointig a car antenna at me I would be afraid....VERY AFRAID!!!

FACT!

#15 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-11 09:45 AM

Godfather

Illinois is the most corrupt state in the country, i have no doubt about that...

I have lived here my whole life and whether it is a Dem or a Repub, all these F'ing politicians are greedy sorry individuals.

Maybe its time we start electing people from the masses not the so called "Elite"... People who are blue collar knows what its like to work for a living.

Does anyone even realize that Illinois extends south of Chicago.

"Illinois is the most corrupt state in the country, i have no doubt about that..."

Actually on Morning Joe this morning they showed some survey that showed Illinois down around #5 behind Miss., Ala., Ohio and I forget what other states. Of course though, that was before this scandal broke.

KINGER

The only Democrat indicted or accused of wrongdoing is Blagojevich. One.

The last three Illinois governors (including Blagojevich's predecessor) were Republicans.

I know - I think you misunderstood the point of my post. Theo Nebs assumes that the calls for Blagojevich's resignation by the vast majority of Democrats is somehow evidence of their culpability. I was merely trying to state the fact that just like Republicans, Democrats are for the most part concerned with keeping their seats. Being the one voice who doesn't call for the impeachment or resignation of an obviously corrupt and incompetent governor is one surefire way to lose votes.

Saw the press conference and Obama denies he talked with Blago on this issue.

He is checking with the rest of his team to see if anyone has had any contact with Blago on this issue and will get that out in a couple of days.

So with than in mind--we should give Obama the benefit of the doubt and see how this plays out.

The speculation as to Advisor B will all come out eventually.

And if something else comes up--it will be debated--no doubt.

But there is no doubt that Obama grew up politically either in a fog/oblivious to the people he associated with or he is disengenuous.

I mean really--Wright, Ayres, Rezko, who am I missing?--Oh Yeah--Blago. All relationships that he has had with these people goes back up to 20 years.

They were not the people he thought they were.

So I, along with a whole lot of others, are going to have to wait and see what happens and if the other shoe drops.

The only ones who give a crap are you (MURPHY) and a handful of other bitter Republicans.

Get over it.

AU--you missed the post--I said Obama should get the benefit of the doubt.

You may be shocked by that comment.

But this is a huge corruption story and it won't go away any time soon.

But don't you think it a bit interesting that the Dems are trying their best to quash this asap? This is just Chicago politics, isn't it? What's the big deal? Why does Obonehead even need to chime in on this?

--THEO NEBS

If Obama DIDN'T call for his resig., Theo Nebs would be right here saying that's suspicious.

It doesn't make Obama look good or bad, just that he did what he's supposed to as leader of his party; call for the corrupt shit heads to get out and stop bringing him down by association.

Maybe Theo Nebs lost a girlfriend to some large black guy or something, I dunno.

Saw the press conference and Obama denies he talked with Blago on this issue.

He is checking with the rest of his team to see if anyone has had any contact with Blago on this issue and will get that out in a couple of days.

You might want to begin with David Axelrod who has already said the Messiah did just that!

Yeah, Murphy. Now lets start a Palin thread and get down to business.

the democratic culture of corruption can no longer be hidden even by the obama loving media

You might want to begin with David Axelrod who has already said the Messiah did just that!

#53 | Posted by TheOneBS

He admitted yesterday that he mis-spoke. Of course, that was after B.O. spoke.

He admitted yesterday that he mis-spoke. Of course, that was after B.O. spoke.

#56 | Posted by wisgod

...and I'm sure there will be lots of "mispeaking" coming from this administration...Change you can believe in!

Rush Limbaugh is too far to the leftGive it a break there is not even any smoke much less fire...

Why is it that only lefties invoke Limbaugh & Hannity and "conspiracy theories" not we drones you claim hang on their every word? Tell me again how BO is any different than any other politician in covering his ass? Laughable! Any while you're at it, what conspiracy theory? I think everyone is in agreement that all politicians, R & D, are first & foremost concerned with power. If all is well and the "ONE" has nothing to worry about then why the rush? Individual Americans don't care about corruption as long as they get what they want. I'm still waiting on my mortgage payment so I'll jump in and throw the whole process under the bus along with the Governor of IL. All politicians are corrupt & if they aren't, they will be given the time. Self preservation is man's first law and I'm sure (well mostly sure) that politicians qualify as human.

"He admitted yesterday that he mis-spoke. Of course, that was after B.O. spoke."

#56 | Posted by wisgod

So you think B.O. smells fishy?

So you think B.O. smells fishy?

#59 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

No, but I think he has a communication problem with Axlerod.

*whoosh*

MURPHY

The only reason this story has even gotten another news cycle is because it involves Obama's vacant Senate seat and he's the President-Elect.

Fitzgerald stated in very clear terms, in English, that Obama had nothing to do with this.

So, why are you even questioning whether or not he had, might have, could have, aides might have had, etc. any role in this?

Blogojevich made overtures. They told him "thanks, but no thanks". Blagojevich is a moron who got caught. If he's convicted or pleads out, he needs to go to prison. He's a schmuck. A very stupid schmuck.

The last 3 Illinois governors who went to prison in the last 30 years were Republicans. It says nothing about Illinois or a particular party. They got greedy and got caught. End of story. Except for the bitter Republicans who wish it were something more.

So you think B.O. smells fishy?

#59 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

He is the product of the chicago political machine and has many bad friends. He may have nothing to do with this latest scandle but it is hard for me to believe he is a clean one owner.

*whoosh*

#61 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Oh, it was a joke? I didn't realize that was allowed.

If Obama or someone who works for him had phone converstations with Blago about the senate seat, it will be on tape. It would be the height of suicidal stupidity for Obama to say no one did if he or someone on his staff did in fact have such a conversation.

Fitzgerald stated in very clear terms, in English, that Obama had nothing to do with this.

#62 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Murphy stated in very clear terms, in English, that Obama should be given the benefit of the doubt.

Now lets start a Palin thread and get down to business.

Too bad a Democrat one the seat in Alaska, and Palin wasn't called upon to appoint someone, eh?

"He may have nothing to do with this latest scandle but it is hard for me to believe he is a clean one owner."

#63 | Posted by Sniper

Yeah, I'm not so sure that B.O. is clean myself.

This is a somewhat unique situation as we haven't had many Senators move to the White House in the middle of their terms. The last Senator elected President was John F Kennedy.

Who would expect that someone who gave up their seat wouldn't want to forward suggestions for someone else to serve out the remainder of his or her term?

I'd think that would be a given. Nothing wrong with making one's thoughts known. Nothing unethical about it either. So, so what if one of his aides passed on his thoughts about possible candidates?

It's Blagojevich who committed the wrong here. He should have considered the candidates and appointed someone. With an incoming President of his own party, he would have considered their possible appointments for sure. Well, it didn't go down as it should have. Blagojevich is a schmuck who's screwed up what should have been a smooth process.

So, why are you even questioning whether or not he had, might have, could have, aides might have had, etc. any role in this?

per AU--

AU--if you listened to his press conference this morning--OBAMA brought it that he is looking into whether any of his team was in contact with Blago--

AND--Obama said he would have that information for the press in a couple of days.

Geez...

Gal--

Too bad a Democrat one the seat in Alaska, and Palin wasn't called upon to appoint someone, eh?

#67 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday at 2008-12-11 12:13 PM

AK changed the laws for the Governor to appoint a vacancy. The Governor is not permitted to appoint the vacancy. They have to hold a special election.

They kicked out Mukowlsky (Sarah did) because he appointed his daughter to a senate seat a few years back.

Blago is friggin crazy.

Murphy,

Thanks, I didn't know that. Here in NY the governor gets to make the appointment. Caroline or Andrew or who knows who?

Blago is narcissistic and insane.

Blago is narcissistic and insane.

#73 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

And EXTREMELY stupid. Knowing the feds were investigating him (prior subpoenas for documents unrelated to this).

It appears Blago's wife is in for some of her own hell--heard on the tapes talking f-this and f-them.
Trying to bribe the Tribune for firing the editorial board--her urging..

"Obama and Emanuel in fact played major roles as top advisers to Blagojevich's 2002 gubernatorial campaign. In 2006, Obama endorsed the governor for reelection with kind words that ring as hollow as his promises to change Washington: "We've got a governor in Rod Blagojevich who has delivered consistently on behalf of the people of Illinois," Obama had said."

$1 million for Blagojevich...

$7 billion for Halliburton in Iraq, $2 billion in fraud for Katrina, $2.2 billion for Boeing's Pentagon contract...

Apparently the Dems aren't as skilled as the GOP at fraud.

"According to a footnote in the affadavit filed by US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the sky could be the limit."

But then according to the words of Patrick Fitzgerald the sky is not the limit because as he said Barack Obama is not implicated.
Sorry to disappoint you Kerrin.

"Apparently the Dems aren't as skilled as the GOP at fraud."

#77 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch

Nor at deflections. Keep practicing.

"He is the product of the chicago political machine"

While he did come out of ILL politics, he did _not_ climb though the ward and precinct politics of the Chicago Democratic Machine. He represented the Hyde Park area, home of U. of Chicago and with a long tradition of independent politics. Most importantly, he got very little help from Mayor Daley when he won his first election.

Let's see...

Louisiana is cleaned up by a Republican

Illionois is next.

"Louisiana is cleaned up by a Republican Illionois is next."

The previous Illini governor was a Republican. He is presently doing time. So, good luck with that.

Maybe there is hope for NJ..

"Maybe there is hope for NJ.."

Not in Jersey City, Camden, Newark, AC or Trenton. Maybe in central NJ.

I hear Blago has Obama's REAL birth certificate showing he was born in Kenya!

FACT!!!

#30 | Posted by James_Dean at 2008-12-11 10:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

And the people who really think Obama isn't a natural-born American make bOoB look sane.

FACT!

Oh and on topic:

Obama called for the resignation of a man who's about to rot in jail for years anyway?

woo, what a brave, decisive move showing stunningly amazing leadership skills.

What's the next headline going to be? Obama calls for Bush to vacate the White House in late Jaunary?

Obama called for the resignation of a man who's about to rot in jail for years anyway?

woo, what a brave, decisive move showing stunningly amazing leadership skills.

What's the next headline going to be? Obama calls for Bush to vacate the White House in late Jaunary?

#86 | Posted by soheifox

I mean really--Wright, Ayres, Rezko, who am I missing?--Oh Yeah--Blago. All relationships that he has had with these people goes back up to 20 years.

They were not the people he thought they were.

So I, along with a whole lot of others, are going to have to wait and see what happens and if the other shoe drops.

#49 | Posted by MURPHY

This is realy the crux of it whether he knew of Blago's dealings or not. How anyone can beleieve that Obama has not been involved in crooked, shady, and even illegal dealings having been involved closely with all of these people, is beyond me. Do I have proof? No. It's just a simple matter of 2+2=4. Do I think that Obama should be investigated because of his relations? No.

How anyone can beleieve that Obama has not been involved in crooked, shady, and even illegal dealings having been involved closely with all of these people, is beyond me

EVERLONG

Fortunately, the U.S. employs brilliant legal minds as U.S. Attorneys. They've determined he hasn't and have stated so publicly as recently as yesterday. Good enough for me.

So I, along with a whole lot of others, are going to have to wait and see what happens and if the other shoe drops.

#49 | Posted by MURPHY

Some of y'all are making a career out of waiting for that shoe.

However, after 8 years of 'less than the truth' from the Bush Administration it's totally understandable some people will take convincing that a President can be honest.

Obama has a 67% approval rating and Bush's disapproval rating matches that number. Use that as a gauge for now.

AU, I seriously doubt that US attorneys have investigated Obama's entire political and community organizer careers. I'm just saying that his being close friends with these people raises quesions as to wether he is squeaky clean concerning his Chicago political career. I have serious doubts, but I don't expect any sort of investigation into it.

EVERLONG

Fitzgerald also investigated and prosecuted the Rezko case. If there was anything, anything, it would have turned up long ago. Fitzgerald leaves no stone unturned. Thorough. Extremely thorough prosecutor.

AU is correct, Fitz was on the Rezko investigation. And way back over a year ago the same result - Sen. Obama was not a subject of the investigation, and no evidence of any wrongdoing was found or alleged against him.

But you all just keep on wishin' and hopin' and thinkin' and prayin' every night.

When U.S. Attorneys are investigating an individual or organization, they do not limit the scope of their investigation to the exclusion of other possible conspirators. Evidence leading to potential targets is followed to the letter of the law unless they're advised to lay off by the AG or the Chief U.S. Attorney in that district. However, it is rare that an Asst. or U.S. Attorney who discovers new targets is told to stop (unless you worked for Alberto Gonzales?)

Had Fitzgerald discovered others who'd committed criminal acts during the investigatory process they would also become defendants in the same case provided the statute of limitations hasn't run out for that particular federal crime. Any state crimes are referred to that state's attorney general on advisement.

"Do I have proof? No.

Do I think that Obama should be investigated because of his relations? No."

#88 | Posted by everlong

Then why don't you wait until something encroaching "proof" actually surfaces before casting judgement?

"Obama has a 67% approval rating"

#91 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Maybe it'll be more significant after he takes office, and leads for a while.

You're missing what I'm saying. I agree that Obama doesn't have any involvement with Blago. All I'm saying is it is likely that he has been involved in something shady having been in those relations. I could be wrong but it's just what I think. We'll never know anyway.

Then why don't you wait until something encroaching "proof" actually surfaces before casting judgement?-LOD

Do you mean do what you have done concerning Bush? Are you saying that you've never commented on any conspiracy theories involving Bush? Somehow I doubt that.

So far so good, LIVE OR DIE

NBC also reported nearly 70% approve of his cabinet picks and transition.

I'm sure Obama is wishing Blagojevich would resign. He doesn't like the guy, and now Blago's eating up news cycles putting a negative focus on Illinois and Obama where there should have been none. All Obama did was win the Presidency and vacate his Senate seat.

I suspect it's only the right wing folks on blogs who are making an issue of it. Fitzgerald stated yesterday Obama did nothing wrong. That's good enough for me. Fitz is nothing but thorough and above reproach.

I read this morning they'll lower the cloture number to 58 until the MN and IL Senate seats are decided.

ladies and gentlemen

article in washington post I believe.

links three people together

this governor
tony rezko

and barak obama...........

anyone actually seen it as I have only heard about it......

and barry keeps saying that he has had no contact with him and all that

do any of you REALLY BELIEVE THAT????????

are you telling me that the governor of his state who was supposed to pick his successor and he hasnt CONTACTED HIM>.................I think thats nonsense.....and I Dont mean to say that he was in on this bullshit..........

anyone actually seen it as I have only heard about it......

Use the internet, Rusty. It's how you found your way here.

I dont have time

and dont call me rusty please

thank you for your cooperation

and barry keeps saying that he has had no contact with him and all that

do any of you REALLY BELIEVE THAT????????

~BLaTtercontrolissues2

Spud figures that Rahm Immanual (who is well aware wot a psycho freakjob and corrupt asswipe Blago) is ran interference there.

If you paid attention to the story you'd have noted Blago on FBI tapes biatching that if he goes with the appointee that Obama's pepople prefered that he would get nothing from the deal.

That pretty much indicates that Obama comes out of this smelling like a rose, except in the minds of partisan hacks like yerself, of course.

anyone actually seen it as I have only heard about it......

Did Rush tell you this or did you hear this one of FOX?

Had to be one of the two as they are the only sources you tend to cite around here.

Luff the bastards at Time magazine recently trying to make a "doth protest too much" argument cos Fitz has being repeatedly asked about Obama involvement and always confirmed that he wasn't.

Specifically Time Writer Massimo Calebrisi sed "But for politicians, it's never good news when a top-notch prosecutor has to go out of his way to distance them from a front-page scandal."

Wotta fucking slime-devil.

In order to maintain a position that doesn't even give the appearance of impropriety Obama needs to insist that his former Senate seat gets picked in a special election rather than be appointed.

Course, Bushit Luffa 2 would prolly find something to fault even then.

Be Well.

The conservative press is all over this as usual. Blag said there was no Obama involvement. The FBI said there was no Obama involvement. The tapes prove there was no Obama involvement, America haters like BL2 will always tie Obama to Blag.

do any of you REALLY BELIEVE THAT????????

#100 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-12-11 06:32 PM | Reply | Flag

BL2 might just as well say--I hate Obama and his plans for America and I will do anything to smear and slander his name. He joins millions of others, and many America haters on this blog.

"Blago on FBI tapes biatching that if he goes with the appointee that Obama's pepople prefered that he would get nothing from the deal."

How would he know that unless he spoke with them about it? Isn't it the position of the Obama "transition team" that they have not had any contact with Blagojevich regarding the sale of the senate seat?

Joe-
It's Obama's emphatically stated position that he did not, and that his team (if there was contact) offered no quid pro quo.

That's funny - on Tuesday he said that he "had no contact with the governor's office" on the issue of the senate appointment. He must have revised that, which you apparently have no problem with.

I hear RCADE has JAMES_DEAN's real birth certificate showing he is, in reality, the love child of Anna Nicole Smith and Magic Johnson.

FACT!

AlcoholLover2:

No evidence ties Obama to Blago's slime, but you go ahead and bleat:
"Who you gonna believe, me or your own eyes"?

"Do I have proof? No. It's just a simple matter of 2+2=4."
#88 | Posted by everlong at 2008-12-11 04:22 PM | Reply | Flag: OXYMORON...no, just MORON

What did Barry know and when did he know it, and can a president elect be impeached before he takes office?

Nothing and no

Can an major political party actually doom itself to perpetual irrelevancy through acts of desperation and baseless innuendo heaped on top of eight years of failure and incompetence?

Yes.

Obama's story keeps changing and he is starting to sound like Nixon. Pretty soon Barry will be screaming, "I am not a crook", but who will believe him?

Obama's story keeps changing and he is starting to sound like Nixon.

FWTHOM-
Not to tax your brain too much, but what specific crime are you accusing Obama of committing?

Blogo discussed selling the empty Senate seat with Obama and Barry neglected to report the felony to the F.B.I. because that is normal Chicago dem politics.

FWTHOM-
re: "Blogo discussed selling the empty Senate seat with Obama..."

Funny no one else has evidence of this. Why don't you share it with us?

As soon as we listen to all the tapes and read all the e-mails it will all come to light. Hopefully Barry is not destroying all that stuff right now.

FWTHOM-
re: "As soon as we listen to all the tapes and read all the e-mails it will all come to light."

Right. You have no evidence, and it was a reckless accusation without any support, but you're convinced that your hunch is correct because...well....because....?

Thank you.