I am waiting for the RNC and DNC to follow the LNC's lead.

ROTFLMAO!

I won't hold my breath.

Whereas the Republicans and Democrats love to waste taxpayers' money on corporate welfare, violating the Contitution, be it the Federal one or state constitutions, the Libertarian Party (of New York in this case) is joining a lawsuit against corporate welfare in that state, something prohibited by the New York Constitution:

The LP Goes to Harvard

Libertarian party?????

My word, two parties of corruption isn't enough now we have people trying to create a third party of corruption.

Surprised we still have an actual government in power.

I suppose after a few more workers begin to vent their anger at the business's and theiving their money with these party approvals things are going to get a might interesting.

It's a dangerous precedent, that's for sure.

I thought when I voted in the Republicans in 1994-2004, I was voting for less government. Silly me.

I thought when I voted in the Republicans in 1994-2004, I was voting for less government. Silly me.
posted by RightIsRight

It's a dangerous precedent, that's for sure.

It's NOT a precedent. The military has helped during disasters before.

which forbids the use of the military for domestic policing

Being in a unit that is actually part of this homeland security mission, we are NOT there for policing. We are only there to help in case the governor of whatever state needs help. PERIOD. Our orders are clear. I honestly dont know where you idiots get this crap. I have been in several briefings on this mission and in NO uncertain terms were we ever briefed that we would be policing anything. We are there to help relieve the suffering of american citizens when they need us.

When Dubya's Daddy screwed up majorly during Hurricane ANdrew He authorized the use of Active Duty Personelle in the aftermath of that disaster. That part has been done before.

Larry

When Ron Paul described our financial and military problems to a tee in the primaries-most were thinking not very kind of him, even insulting at hominem..He also proposed solutions with good chance of resolving some of the systemic problems.

With thousands of years of proof of the folly and stupidity of the masses to look at, how can anyone suppose that democracy can _ever_ be a satisfactory system of government? The problem is that people confuse democracy and freedom. The proper goal ought to be the preservation and expansion of individual liberty. Yet democracy is assumed to be the same thing as freedom--which it is not.
There _is_ generally a correlation between the two, up to a point, but there is no necessary connection between them. It is possible--though unlikely--that the citizens of a despotism can enjoy a great deal of personal liberty, and it is equally possible and far more likely that the citizens of a democracy may have their freedom greatly restricted--indeed that is generally the case in most of the democracies in the world today.
The reason is, of course, that people will willing give up their freedom to impose their own views on the whole of society, to provide for their own security, and to remove themselves from having to take any responsibility for their own actions.

It is illegal to us the army for policing, but this should not rule out disaster relief work. But then that has historically been the responsibility of Guard units.

We saw White House propaganda at work in the aftermath of Katrina as "shoot looters on sight" became the media story. Alleged pro-lifers were more immediately concerned with property than the health and welfare of people (themselves excepted). If you need clean water to stay alive and the stores are boarded up, its only logical you should be shot for trying to steal water or insulin.

Most CEOs and politicians behave selfishly regardless of the consequences to our once great nation. This simple fact confuses Alan Greenspan to no end. He admits to Waxman that it never crossed his mind they would not look after their stockholders bests interests or take their job responsibilities seriously, like is expected of their underlings. Why would anyone aspire to great power and wealth if they could not abuse that position when they got there?

Shrub says, "Its for your own good".

Shrub thinks, "How else are we going to keep all the drivel in their place when they find out there's only falling wages, rising food and energy costs, and an abundance of boarded up houses which our growing homeless population must not enter. Its time to look forward and plan. After all, my term is almost up."

"The reason is, of course, that people will willing give up their freedom to impose their own views on the whole of society, to provide for their own security, and to remove themselves from having to take any responsibility for their own actions."

That's why we have a Constitution.
When and if the SC over rules the voters of California it will be the perfect example of Constitutional authority trumping majority vote and mob rule.

What's up with this rising energy costs that you claim ???? Gas is at a 5 year low buddy. As far as rising food costs go I just don't see it. Go to Costco. Buy in bulk or eat dinner at McDonald's Dollar Menu is the best deal in town.

Shit I didn't see people looting for water but I did see people waddling throught the water with Tv in the arms

Hey Timmy -we're all still waiting for your apology for thinking we didn't know what we were talking about when we told you Al Gore got more popular votes than Bush in 2000.

Our orders are clear.

As long as you are following their orders, it doesn't really matter what they tell you to get you in the door, does it?

TIMBCI,

Don't confuse short and long term trends.

Yes, today the dollar is up and gas is down, but this is only because everyone is afraid of the stock market and have moved to zero yield treasury bills. It is a temporary respite which overlays long term trends much longer than Shrub's term in office. Both parties are subservient to the Rothschilds and their kind. Fifty years ago a house cost two years salary.

Our economic system has been over financialized. The financial sector, that was just bailed out unconditionally by Paulson was accounting for 40% of US Corporate profits until their highly leveraged bets tanked. In the fifties, the financial sector accounted for 2% of Corporate profits. Manufacturing and full employment were core Government policy. Today, its inflationary indebtedness beneath a backdrop of Union busting.

Greenspan and Paulson have been creating imaginary wealth by inflating book values and debt, with no corresponding rise in wages. A ponzi scheme, but with special legal protections. To hide our dire position, Shrub has ceased to publish monthly money supply reports and is running the printing presses 24/7. Obama will have to deal with the consequences.

They can be used to guard the borders but not as a federal police force.

just watched an ad for that show...the librarian and I really wondered for a nanosecond here...what the hell does a librarian have to do with this........

oh well............to protect and defend our borders...that mission seems pretty clear to me.

so whats the deal?

bushlovertwo

Go pitch your tent somewhere else!

go pitch your tent somewhere else!!

so what the fuck does that mean?

I have a little pup tent in the garage somewhere if thats what you are talkig about

or is it that you dont like me using the first amendment here....(except for the rules as set out by his immienence, the godfather, rcade...)

and THAT Reminds me....I just watched a little of the 'truman show'.....anyone else get the idea that rcade is really like the ed harris chararacter here and sometime or somewhere we are going to realize that this site REALLY ISNT HERE AFTER ALL.......

just thinking..(allucinating) out loud

Being in a unit that is actually part of this homeland security mission, we are NOT there for policing.

#7 | Posted by boaz at 2008-12-09 07:17 PM

Boaz,
I am a vet also, and as such you of all people should know that this is the job of the National Guard not active duty military.

We need to bring the guard home and retrain them for their original mission (which is NOT combat) and there would not be a need for you to patrol.

Section 8
The Congress shall have Power ......... and provide for the common Defense...

Is that real clear?

Sniper,
Defense against a common enemy. Are our citizens a common enemy during times of disaster?

It sure seemed that way in New Orleans.

Seems to me that if there's one thing more gross than domestic deployment of our troops, it's sending then to fight and die in distant nations. herm

I have been in several briefings on this mission and in NO uncertain terms were we ever briefed that we would be policing anything.

Yet! Have you seen interviews with the troops that removed the guns from the houses of peaceable gun owners in New Orleans? If not, then you have your head in the sand... They didn't know that would be their mission either and they didn't seem to enjoy doing it. Just following orders, which is what you will do when the time comes...