Ok, I'm having a small stroke this morning ... after 7 years and 11 months as President, Bush has finally said something I agree with.

(And pitched his Evangelical supporters under the back wheels of the bus at the last minute)

I wonder if all of the evangelicals are just now realizing how duped they were over the last eight years.

Clearly bush is showing the evangelicals just how stupidly idiotic and closed minded they can be and how corrupt the religious adherence to FAITH based ideals for society ruins the society.

If only people believed everything our way the world would be so grand and good.

Faith has created America society. You sound bitter. Maybe you should go to church

**** Faith has created America society.
....#4 | Posted by timbci *****

.......stealing land from the Indians created American society........

.......then we killed off most of the Indians (genocide) and cultivated the new land with slavery.......

.......and faith was a cheerleader all the way through..........

Posting before this thread turns into the inevitable atheist circlejerk.

kinger
not believing in the christian way doesn't make you an athiest .

Dang-it ski---da truth hurts sometimes

not believing in the christian way doesn't make you an athiest

Thanks for the info, Captain Obvious. What's next on your agenda, spreading the word about how the sky is blue?

kinger
not believing in the christian way doesn't make you an athiest .

#7 | Posted by klifferd

Also, not believing in the exact same Christian way as someone else doesn't make you an atheist.

In Alaska, Sarah Palin's head just stopped spinning. After 8 years, we finally have a
rational, intelligent thought from 43. Holy
s--t, a monkey just flew out of my ass.

Faith has created America society. You sound bitter. Maybe you should go to church

LOL!

The delusion of the religious faithful have such big giant egos.

What is funny, they would deny such a statement when dealing with how our society is crumbling.

Crumbling. LOL
Last time I checked I still had my house, my job, and my SUVs.

My kids are still in private school looking down on the crumbling decay of public schools

I told you he was a Methodist!

"I'm just a simple president."

The fucking understatement of the century!!

I doubt it.

Last time I checked I still had my house, my job, and my SUVs.
#13 | Posted by timbci

See, there's that good Christianity he talks about. "I've got mine so fuck you."

And who really gives a shit what Bush says about anything? Do you really believe his opinion on any subject is intelligently thought out? He's already admitted time and time again that he is easily duped by the shoddiest of sources.

"I'm just a simple president."

If only.

Now Shut Up.

My kids are still in private school looking down on the crumbling decay of public schools

#13 | Posted by timbci at 2008-12-09 09:38 AM | Reply

And when they get out of school, they will live in a society educated by crumbling public schools. Make sure they have guns. Those ivory towers aren't well defended. Especially for elitests, like you and your kids.

I'd think anyone interested in ancient texts is by definition an elitist.

Okay, so now we really know why God made 9-11 and Katrina-Bush is a backslider.

I'd think anyone interested in ancient texts is by definition an elitist.

#20 | Posted by Zed at 2008-12-09 10:14 AM | Reply

Yeah--people that read and have curiousity about the history of humanity, sure are above the norm---your norm at any rate.

or just a simple "born again" dry drunk.

The Bush Family's association with religion is not strong (though stronger than McCain's). Shrub watched his daddy lose to Clinton who embraced the Evangelical Community and mapped out his campaigns accordingly. The Bush family wears Christianity strictly for political purposes.

Shrub has doggedly stuck to the positions he has carved out. In these last months changing regulations and appointing permanent staff designed to undermine future enforcement of clean air and water or wortker safety.

.......stealing land from the Indians created American society........

.......then we killed off most of the Indians (genocide) and cultivated the new land with slavery.......

.......and faith was a cheerleader all the way through..........

#5 | Posted by skizziks

So then give back your land to the Indians skizziks. If you feel guilty for this then take action and quit bashing others over the head for your unresolved guilt.

BBob

please just go the fuck away.

fuck 43.

fuck religion.

wake me up when my wife has a burning bush.

THEONEBS I doubt he needs to feel guilty just because he wants to make sure you understand the type of society your religion created. I think he and I just prefer to live in reality instead of the pretend world that folks like you like to believe in. Your religion did play a role in creating the American society but liberals have greatly improved that society by overruling religious fanatics and die hard conservatives.

#27 | Posted by danni

Link please

NOW he says all this? Where has this statement been for the past 8 years when it would have done some good to tone down the lunatic religious right fringe elements? Shrub's timing, like everything else he has done over the past 8 years, sucks. However, the lunatic fringe is probably frothing at the mouth right about now.

Dawn, he's not running for anything and he's not campaigning for anyone that's why the statement comes now. He's free to be apolitical at this point. He would have never said this when he needed the support of the evangelical movement. The literalists would have tossed him overboard.

Maybe next we stop trying to rewrite history by blaming the Iraq invasion on intelligence failures and instead admit that the White House cherry picked the intelligence and when that didn't work they put pressure on the intelligence community to make the "facts" match their story.

yeah well..........companies like newsweek had better be a little more carefull how they talk about religion in this country
seen the latest cover yet

and this when the NY times is having to borrow a quarter mill on thier building just to stay open

Your religion did play a role in creating the American society but liberals have greatly improved that society by overruling religious fanatics and die hard conservatives.

Do you mean those Christian based abolition movements, Quakers and others-- that were instrumental in overturning slavery.

Cheers

Do you mean those Christian based abolition movements, Quakers and others-- that were instrumental in overturning slavery.

Cheers

#33 | Posted by Grendel at 2008-12-09 11:58 AM | Reply

You seem to think that you can't be a liberal and Christian. Facts are, the people you spoke of were liberals and Christians. Freedom is a liberal concept. Not all Christians were for freeing the slaves. Lincoln among them. Lincolns priority was preserving the Union first. If that meant continueing slavery, Lincoln would have permitted it. Not all conservatives were for freeing the slaves--the south was full of them--still is. All liberals were for freeing the slaves. Every one.

"Do you mean those Christian based abolition movements"

And here I thought all those evil Europeans where Godless secularists?

But hey, why not take credit for something AFTER being dragged Kicking and Screaming into it!
The Southern "Christians" HATED the Abolitionist, they even called them Unpatriotic Traitors (sounds familiar doesn't it)! In fact, they (a "Christian") Murdered the President of the United States over it!

In addition, recent memory recalls Jerry Falwell saying emphatically that God said (to him) that Whites and Blacks cant go to school together ---- only later (after being dragged kicking and screaming into doing what's right) to say its perfectly OK with God and even went as far as to credit himself with its manifestation.

It's the Same song, different Tune!

To bad "Christians" are just incapable of an honest rehash and truthful examination of themselves! Nobodies perfect, why not just admit that and try to learn from it instead of constantly rewriting and repositioning past events!

"I'm just a simple president."

George, don't be so modest. "Simple" doesn't begin to describe you.

".......stealing land from the Indians created American society........then we killed off most of the Indians (genocide) and cultivated the new land with slavery.......and faith was a cheerleader all the way through.........." #5 | Posted by skizziks

Reminds me of a song...

"I'm sorry....so sorry....that I was such a fool...I didn't know"

"I'm sorry....so sorry....please accept my apology"

"You tell me mistakes are part of being young....but that don't right the wrong that's been done
Oh, oh, oh, oh...Uh-oh....Oh, yes"

**** So then give back your land to the Indians skizziks. If you feel guilty for this then take action and quit bashing others over the head for your unresolved guilt.
.....#24 | Posted by TheOneBS *****

......you are missing the point........

.....you said that this country was founded on "faith"......when in fact it was founded on theft and genocide.......

.......and the occasional witch burning.........but we won't get into that, you seem to have a little too much thinking to cope with as it is........

**** "I'm sorry....so sorry....please accept my apology"
....#37 | Posted by KBM ******

........if we do not understand our history, we are doomed to repeat it.........

......ie....if Bush had gone to Viet Nam, and made an effort to understand what was happening, perhaps he might have not repeated the mistake during his term as president........

WHO IS THIS MAN AND WHAT HAVE THEY DONE WITH THE PRESIDENT?!!!

Admited he was not ready for war
Admits that the bible is not literal
Admits that evolution has merit

Next thing you know he is going to give a speach that is gramatically correct and coherent!

Next thing you know he is going to give a speach that is gramatically correct and coherent!

#40 | Posted by Valisk at 2008-12-09 01:18 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Let's not get carried away here.

But seriously... good for George.

As for TIMBCI - dude, you're so condescending that you almost come off as satire. "Looking down" on the public schools indeed.

Lincolns priority was preserving the Union first. If that meant continueing slavery, Lincoln would have permitted it.

Be careful bob. I said the same thing and because of my leanings, I was labeled an ignorant racist.

The sun is coming out so I choose to ignore Timbucktoo and His Nebs.

But it occurs to me that Bush probably hasn't a clue on what he's orating about. herm

Next thing you know he is going to give a speach that is gramatically correct and coherent!

#40 | Posted by Valisk

Sorry. I make it a point not to bring up people's grammar or spelling but I just had to on this. You just accused Bush of being of being so stupid that he is incoherent and his grammar sucks and you mispelled gramatically (grammatically) and speach (speech). That's just too damn funny.

Woops...misspelled. That's funny too.

You mis-spelled "whoops".

Everybody crediting Dubya for finally sounding reasonable should watch the video. You could almost see the gear in his head turning (yes, gear, singular) as he navigated this "dangerous" question.

Sadly, the "journalist" asking the questions didn't delve into humanity's evolutionary past. No doubt, an off-limits question in another faux "interview".

You mis-spelled "whoops".

#46 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

Wanna bet?

Bush: Bible Not Literal, Evolution OK

Crap. Just when I had the math worked out with the Earth 6000 years old and myself descended from all those famous Biblical characters through a series of begats

It's not surprising Bush would now consider the Bible 'Not Literal'.

That Beatitude of Jesus, "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the Children of God", is bugging him endlessly right about now.

Americanunity, you're misinterpreting the beatitude --- its referring to personal piety, not a blanket condemnation of war.

As individuals believers are to live in peace with fellow beings, but when it comes to the government's obligation to run the nation, it needs an army for deterence and defence. (Romans 13). By your false logic, it would be unspiritual even for the Police to carry weapons.

I have yet to see a civilized liberal nation that allows gangsters, bank robbers, child molesters, run free with complete absence of the law.

############################## #

Thx Bush for your confession --- you are not required to be a Bible scholar to acknowledge Jesus as your Lord.

Americanunity, you're misinterpreting the beatitude --- its referring to personal piety, not a blanket condemnation of war.

TAKiTEZ

Your version of revisionist history is blasphemy.

What part of "Blessed are the peacemakers ...." don't you understand?

I don't want to hear you interpretations of Christ's teachings. I've had my fill. No thanks.

PS TAKITEZ

Bush is going to hell for saying what he did.

"...religion played a role..."

civil rights, freedom, democracy really nice, things we all appreciate, yet these are nowhere in the bible!

Actually Jesus is referring to a Roman dagger, which was called a "peacemaker"

Sorry Americanunity, your understanding of scripture is lopsided and immature....

Tell me, was Jesus opposing war by this statement?

"I don't want to hear you interpretations of Christ's teachings."

Really the Jews weren't fighting for civil rights ????? Pontius Pilare would disagree

God talks to him, AU.

Didn't you know that?

Hans

#56 | Posted by Hans

Same god that told W to invade Iraq.

No thanks.

Bush is a follower of Christ and he will not go to hell --- but liberals may not understand as they are spiritually blind.

God told me to go to Florida in 2000 and help diebold with the voting

Bush is a follower of Christ and he will not go to hell --- but liberals may not understand as they are spiritually blind.

#59 | Posted by takitez

Ya, we follow the Red Print (Christ's words) than the Ezekial and Romans BS you pull out of your hat as Christianity.

You really should try concentrating on Jesus' words if you want to be a "Christ"ian.

BTW, Bush IS going to hell. God just told me so.

"Bush is a follower of Christ..."

And not only that, AU, but he apparently knows what's in someone's heart.

Hans

HANS

TAKITEZ would be well advised to follow that "wolf in a sheep's clothing" warning.

The God I believe in and the one who speaks to TAKITEZ and Bush aren't the same entity.

(start Tubular Bells from Exorcist music)

You really should try concentrating on Jesus' words if you want to be a "Christ"ian.

Jesus's words. You are a complete moron. None of the gospels are historical documents. Just for the record none of the authors were even alive during the time of Christ. In addition, the New Testament was originally written in Greek so any quotes would have been lost in translation.

Next thing you know he is going to give a speach that is gramatically correct and coherent!

#40 | Posted by Valisk

Sorry. I make it a point not to bring up people's grammar or spelling but I just had to on this. You just accused Bush of being of being so stupid that he is incoherent and his grammar sucks and you mispelled gramatically (grammatically) and speach (speech). That's just too damn funny.

#44 | Posted by everlong at 2008-12-09 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag

irony for the win!

but seriously I KNOW i can't type, AND i wont ever run for Prez, Because people Should NOT vote for me. I'd be the president pushing for strategic nuking pappa johns because my pizza was late.

Thanks for the corrections! When my administration begins you get hired for the office of making sure i dont write/say/do anything stupid.

Its a big job but you get to do it!

TIMBCI

I memorized the Bible by the time I was 16.

I'm also an avid student of history - ancient and modern alike.

Thank you for trying to diminish the message of Christ, though. Your Satanic brethren will give you extra chicken blood.

#64 | Posted by timbci

There must be dimmer posters here, but it's hard to find one... other than Takeitweezy....

I really feel sorry for you, Americanunity (though you don't need it) --- you have so much pride yet don't know it. I think you're a senior citizen whose mind is pretty much settled and won't listen to anybody anymore.

Evidence: you self-righteously and smugly misquoted a scripture (beatitude) to condemn George Bush (and feeling superior over him).

You may not need my interpretation, but there are some readers who may be misled by you, so it was good to have another opinion, and I simply provided it.

I wonder why liberals are not quoting the beatitude and demanding all the police force in the country be disarmed? Maybe the liberals are judging Christians for joining the army and the police, because it interferes with the beatitude.

"...but there are some readers who may be misled by you..."

What part of "Blessed are the peacemakers ...." don't you understand?

Damn AU, since when did peacemakers become people who don't go to war? The USA was a peacemaker during WWII. Hell, even Bush admitted to not being a literalist and here you are being literal.

I wonder why liberals are not quoting the beatitude and demanding all the police force in the country be disarmed? Maybe the liberals are judging Christians for joining the army and the police, because it interferes with the beatitude.

It couldn't possibly be because you're making huge generalizations about all liberals based on a small number of liberals, no sir.

"Thank you for trying to diminish the message of Christ, though."

He accomplishes that everyday here, AU. It is a shame he doesn't heed some good advice:

I think you're a senior citizen whose mind is pretty much settled and won't listen to anybody anymore.

TAKITEZ

I'm many many many years away from being a senior citizen. It's YOUR mind that's made up.

Evidence: you self-righteously and smugly misquoted a scripture (beatitude) to condemn George Bush (and feeling superior over him).

What part of Matthew 5:9 DON'T you understand?

King James Bible

MATTHEW 5:9

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

You need to take off your "God talks to me" headphones, and read your Bible. Some of us know what we're talking about. You obviously don't. You didn't even bother to look up that verse before accusing me of not knowing what I'M talking about. George Bush IS as big an idiot as you're making yourself out to be.

Its a big job but you get to do it!

#65 | Posted by Valisk

Oh, I doubt that it's all that bad.

TIMBCI
I memorized the Bible by the time I was 16.
I'm also an avid student of history - ancient and modern alike.
Thank you for trying to diminish the message of Christ, though. Your Satanic brethren will give you extra chicken blood.

"The message of Christ" ????? ROFL.
You are not divine . You couldn't possibly understand the message of Christ. You are a fool son and unless you understand both Greek and Hebrew you have never memorized the Bible just some cheap carbon copy.

That Beatitude of Jesus, "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the Children of God", is bugging him endlessly right about now.

#49 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-09 03:30 PM

King James Bible

MATTHEW 5:9

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

"Peacemakers" don't start preemptive wars

"Peacemakers" don't start preemptive wars

#76 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Maybe not, but they end them.

Americanunity, please explain the passage in a context, but not as a line for opposing war. You still have not answered why you are not opposing police to carry weapons. Is Matthew 5:9 against city police? Why they must not be peacemakers if they are carrying guns!

Even Obama misunderstood the beatitude and used it to cast doubt on the US defence department. Now that he will be President soon, I wonder if he'll dismantle the army and call off any pursuit of the terrorists because of Matthew 5:9.

******************************
*******

Another example: living sacrifice (Romans 12:1). How can a person who is sacrificed be living?

Scripture has passages like these that needs to be understood in context.

TAKITEZ

There IS no 'context' for that verse.

It says what it says. Period.

..belief that God created the world is compatible with the theory of evolution.

And on the 1826210995000th day there was light.

hey, quit quoting from King James Bible, King James was a homosexual and the Catholic Church never approved the faggot King James verion. Don't you idiots know why the Catholics started their own schools in USA?

I agree with Bush.

The sun and the moon were made on the fourth day, read it. So the first 3 days were not literal days as we know them.

It also says in the beginning the heavens and earth were made. It doesn't say in 6 days.

So much for the 20 percenters. What's left for the Bushling?

It's a good thing evolution doesn't go backwards; Bush's family would be monkeys again.

Evolution is a modern myth. Humans never (ever) evolved.

"Evolution is a modern myth. Humans never (ever) evolved."

Surely TakeIt never did. herm

Bush's religious beliefs have always been a problem since as Governor of Texas he told friends that he believed God wanted him to be president. It's been impossible to separate his policy decisions in regard to 9/11, Iraq, stem cell research and Katrina for example from what we are all assured by him and others to be his fundamentalist and evangelical Christian worldview.

You always have the feeling that a more rational president would have come to different conclusions if he wasn't carrying around all that fundamentalist Christian baggage around with him. His tendency to evade personal responsibility for his decisions seems to be related to a "God did it" attitude as well.

Obama, on the other hand, seems much more capable of considering an issue without allowing religious factors to distort it, taking advice from many quarters, coming to a rational conclusion and then accepting responsibility for it. Time will tell of course but I, for one, never had that feeling about Bush.

"The message of Christ" ????? ROFL.
You are not divine . You couldn't possibly understand the message of Christ.

It's very easy to understand statements that are unambiguous. "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God". Unambiguous.

Americanunity, please explain the passage in a context, but not as a line for opposing war. You still have not answered why you are not opposing police to carry weapons. Is Matthew 5:9 against city police? Why they must not be peacemakers if they are

There are no verses before or after Matthew 5:9 meant to provide context. Yes, policemen are 'peacemakers'. They do not fire their weapons unless someone is firing at them first. In fact, most policemen will go their entire career without ever firing their weapon on duty. Is that such a hard concept to understand?

Preemptive war is not 'peacemaking' by any stretch of the imagination. It's 'war making'.

hey if evolution were true the we would find evidence of pre human hominids wouldn't we, what was that, we did? sorry!

"You are a complete moron" TMBCI

"You are a fool son" TMBCI

And Takeitez, I didn't take the time to find a quote of you actually calling someone a 'fool' or 'moron'. But anyone who has read your posts, knows how dismissive and condescending you are to anyone, even SLIGHTLY to the left, of your extremist views. Your god knows the true motivation in your heart and in your words. Even if you are too self-righteous to admit it yourself.

It would appear to me that you two should be more careful. You seem to be on a slippery slope that eventually leads to........

"But anyone who says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." (Jesus) Mat 5:22

Haha I bet you cracked yourself up with that one....wow.

MRSOUL62, thx for the advice. I'm a little disappointed that you failed to include AMERICANUNITY (post # 51) in your sermon. Maybe you are aligned with Hans, AU, and the like.

So according to AU wars is alright so long as its not preemptive, derived from his reading of Matthew 5:9.

TAKITEZ

You are certifiably nuts.

I made no mention of war, except to say that 'preemptive war' is NOT being a 'peacemaker'.

God even told me so. Yesterday and just now.

But you did use Matthew 5:9 to judge Bush, didn't you?

I see, preemptive war is not being 'peacemaker'. I sure am glad for the Police who obtain warrants to preemptively intercept violent gangs and "bring peace" to law abiding communities.

But you did use Matthew 5:9 to judge Bush, didn't you?

#94 | Posted by takitez

Ya. The fucker started a war we didn't need to fight. No one in Iraq attacked us.

Therefore he is not a 'peacemaker'.

Wait.... ("what's that God? I'm right?)

TAKITEZ, I just received word from God I'm right

choice words used by AU, who thinks he is so spiritual he cannot learn from anybody, but reacts angrily in his own way of spiritual tone : fucker, nuts....

Oh, maybe MRSOUL62 might take you to task for those choice words of yours ; or maybe not, because he seems to target certain folks. Even then, Hans can show up to rescue you. Or Betelg might come around to throw a curve around me. Or Lipzo....

TAKITEZ

You're doing an apples and oranges comparison.

And yes, Bush is a fucker who started a war that killed over 4000 Americans, wounded another 30,000, and killed up to 1,000,000 Iraqis - women, children, innocent civilians.

That qualifies him as a 'fucker' in my book.

AU, who thinks he is so spiritual he cannot learn from anybody

TAKITEZ

Oh, I am willing to learn from anyone - provided they know what they're talking about. You don't, but you think you do.

"because he seems to target certain folks"

If those 'certain folk' tend to be self-righteous, hypocrites, who judge and criticize anyone...including other Christians who don't believe in their extreme conservative interpretations...then for once takeitez, you are correct.

You are a deeply judgmental person, who seems to sincerely believe that Jesus only loves Republicans. And that ANYONE to the left of you is destined to hell. Unless of course YOU can save them. Honestly, you can't get anymore arrogant than that.

Until you are willing to a take long hard look at yourself, instead of everyone else...your claims of being a christian, are dubious at best.

"I'm just a simple president."

~George W Bush

Hmmm, is close but not quite right.

"I'm just a simpleton president"

~Bi-Curious George Dumbya Bushleaguer

There.

Fixed. That. For. You.

Other than that the admission that the bible was "probably not" literally true and that evolution and creationism are not mutually exclusive theories are as close to truth as you are ever gonna get from the POTUS who tore down the wall between Church and State at every turn.

A tiny marischino cherry of partial truth atop a massive sundae of Bushit.

Thx, AU, you are entitled to your opinion.

Thx, MRSOUL62, now I know your mindset better. (LOL, Jesus only loves Republicans.... mischarecterizing and passing judgment based on error... LOL, that's how fair and accurate you are, MRSOUL62 --- just an example).

TAKITEZ

I think MRSOUL's comments were spot on.

I agree AU, your assessement is as accurate as MRSOUL62's error.

I've read your posts takeitez, you have continually judged and criticized even other Christians on this board, simply because they don't agree with your narrow and ultra-conservative interpretations. That WOULD indicate that you think Jesus favors you and those who think like you.

Maybe I'm wrong though...let's see if anyone other than you(TIMBCI, or the few other ultra-conservative-christians)
, disagree with my assessment.

MRSOUL62, I see that you are making a couple of assumptions about me. Do you consider 'disagreeing' as 'judging'? So each time I disagree I must be judging. What about you? Do you disagree with others at times?

I don't mind being labelled narrow and ultra-conservative (that's your opinion), but please give me some liberty to disagree and even correct if I happen to have a better perspective.

Three inaccurate assumptions: (1). Jesus only loves Republicans, (2). "Anyone to the left of you is destined to hell" (post # 100), and (3) "...That would indicate that you think Jesus favors you and those who think like you" (post #105).

I haven't heard your sermon on Americanunity yet --- but he agrees with you and I think you consider him superior and in your class.

No, I've seen no evidence of AU pedestalizing himself. You on the other hand, make a habit of it. I'd take the time to post the evidence, but the evidence has been posted in the past(thanks Hans), and you always deny, rationalize or simply ignore it.

By the way...I have gone after a few of the self-righteous atheists here at the DR in the past. I'm no more comfortable with them judging ALL Christians, than I am with you judging ANYONE who dares disagrees with you.

Why do you feel the need to be so condescending and arrogant? I can't imagine these being useful tools in your mission to save us all from hell.

Hey, I may disagree with your opinion, but you're entitled to it.

I would someday hope to see how you distinguish disagreement and judgment --- you seem to assign any disagreement on my part as judging others (and you're judging me based on that assumption). (I'm glad you are in AU's pocket, or he in your pocket).

But if you're trying to bully or shame me into not sharing about hell or any biblical concepts when appropriate, please make better use of your time targetting someone else.

When you decide to come down from your pedestal, and DISCUSS with people your spiritual BELIEFS...rather than PREACH AT people with your self-interpreted 'facts'. I'll be more than happy to leave you alone.

"I can't imagine these being useful tools in your mission to save us all from hell."

That's hardly his "mission," Mr. Soul.

Takitez (and others of his ilk) are interested only in what can be called "gotcha Christianity." It is easily identified:

1. Make sure everyone, everywhere, knows that they're "sharing about hell or any biblical concepts" whatever the hell that means. Which actually means...

2. They think that they're going to be in heaven, laughing at you burning in hell, for all eternity. That's their idea of "heaven."

Their lives are so vacuous that it is all they have.

Many here, right and left, have taken this type to task:

Niceville,

I have to agree with many of the people on this one... You stir the pot then hide behind scripture without explaining yourself or Christ's gift.

Stop trying to be cute, stop trying to be witty and stop trying to come across as a biblical scholar. Be humble and address the issue of how some here are turned off from God because of your behavior.

Just screaming John 3:16 is not evangelical, nor very helpful, when confronted with a group of non-believers and seekers. You should know better.

Posted by spc1970 at 2006-04-10 06:40 PM

Just stopped by the ol' Avarice Cafe to see what the cast and crew are up to today, and I have a comment for Nicey.

Nicey: Just some friendly advice: The Word of God is like a sword--it takes skill to use it, and it takes wisdom to know how and when, with grace and precision.

When I was a new Christian, some 33 years ago, I clobbered people over the head with Christ, and you know what? I'll bet lots of them just wound up hating Christians and writing us off as idiots. We used to glory in being "fools for Christ," and we didn't realize what true fools we were. I moved on from that after a couple of years and decided to be "just me" as I am, honest with God and men.

Since then I've learned there is a time and place to speak of matters of faith and salvation, and they are not every minute of every day with everyone.

By remembering that it was the most highly religious people of 33 A.D. who had Jesus crucified, we can realize how easy it is to become "God's co-bullies," which no decent person is going to be attracted to. The Christian agenda is not to come off as holier-than-thou, though God knows this has infected so much of Christendom from the start.

If you'll respect the Word of God as a sword, and learn to use it with respect and reverence, I believe you will be rewarded with the experience of being God's instrument instead of (apparently, considering the response here) zealotry's tool. Relax and let God do some of the driving for a while. As you said, He's in charge.

Just some friendly, constructive advice. Hope you take it in the right spirit.

Jimi

Posted by Jimi_left at 2006-06-04 07:38 PM

takitez will never realize it.

Which means that in this life, and the next, it will be us who will have the last laugh.

Hans

The real brilliant wisdom is warning people about the real hell! And telling them how not to end up there!

On the authority of scripture, I believe people who sadly ended in hell are not laughing! (I hope this statement is not considered arrogant).

(Yes, go ahead and laugh at me).

But if you're trying to bully or shame me into not sharing about hell or any biblical concepts when appropriate, please make better use of your time targetting someone else.

Posted by takitez

Go find that closet you're supposed to go in to practice your faith.

"Attraction" is a much better method than "Promotion". Jesus taught that. You haven't learned it yet.

"The real brilliant wisdom is warning people about the real hell! And telling them how not to end up there!" - takeitez

For anyone here at the DR who doesn't already know this...here is how you can avoid going to hell(as defined by the Bible):

Accept that Jesus Christ is the ONLY true son of God.

There...now the DR has no more need for Takeitez's "brillant wisdom" in regards to this issue.

Jesus taught me Matthew 5:11.

I'm also aware that in some countries today and in the past, people can go to jail for sharing the gospel. As a biblical example, I read that neither threat from religious officials nor jail could stop Peter from sharing his faith.

Maybe Americanunity has a theology on practicing closet faith that I'm unaware of.

Oh, what a surprise, MRSOUL62 .... from now on I hope you will ignore my messages because they may not be for you.

As for me, I will continue to share relevant messages when necessary (to me, not my judges), with no limitation on the subject or issues. I wish to exercise the privilege of my liberties.

REMINDER: The topic here touches on the Bible and evolution, and I'm entitled to share my piece despite a concerted efforts by some to silence me.

You reap what you sow my friend...when you use your beliefs to belittle and judge people...you open yourself up to this kind of examination. Maybe if you'd listen to your fellow Christians when they offer suggestions like:

"Just some friendly advice: The Word of God is like a sword--it takes skill to use it, and it takes wisdom to know how and when, with grace and precision."

Besides, is scaring people into NOT going to hell, really a more effective way of witnessing, than winning people over with the unending love and forgiveness, that Christ displayed in his life?

You reap what you sow my friend...when you use your beliefs to belittle and judge people...you open yourself up to this kind of examination. Maybe if you'd listen to your fellow Christians when they offer suggestions like:

"Just some friendly advice: The Word of God is like a sword--it takes skill to use it, and it takes wisdom to know how and when, with grace and precision."

Besides, is scaring people into NOT going to hell, really a more effective way of witnessing, than winning people over with the unending love and forgiveness, that Christ displayed in his life?

oops...sorry about the double....mouse fart.

"As for me, I will continue to share relevant messages when necessary ...

Translation from the obvious:

MRSOUL62, you KEEP alleging my sharing as 'self-righteous, belittle, judge, on pedestal', etc.

Why are you so fixated on me? OK, let us disagree and part ways!

Listen, for a few people, a forum like this may be the only chance they will get to be reminded about the message of hell and heaven before they passed on to eternity. If you truly have the love of Christ for lost sinners, I sure would hope to see some of your posts reaching out to them, and not ceaselessly look for faults to castigate me no matter what.

Please ignore me if you can.

Please ignore me if you can.

I think you summed it up, takeitez. It's that attitude that gives christianity a bad name.

"Listen, for a few people, a forum like this may be the only chance they will get to be reminded about the message of hell and heaven before they passed on to eternity."

They can't help themselves.

Yes, Goatman, the Lord weighs the attitude of all humans, Christians and non (Hebrews 4:13). As for sharing the gospel, some people will always be offended by it, no matter what!

"I think you summed it up, takeitez. It's that attitude that gives christianity a bad name."

You're a liar, an asshole, someone who's an overripe drama queen, and someone who's generally useless to humanity.

But this is newsworthy.

Hans

Thanks Hans. Matthew 5:11.

"As for sharing the gospel, some people will always be offended by it, no matter what!":

Niceville,

I have to agree with many of the people on this one... You stir the pot then hide behind scripture without explaining yourself or Christ's gift.

Stop trying to be cute, stop trying to be witty and stop trying to come across as a biblical scholar. Be humble and address the issue of how some here are turned off from God because of your behavior.

Just screaming John 3:16 is not evangelical, nor very helpful, when confronted with a group of non-believers and seekers. You should know better.

Posted by spc1970 at 2006-04-10 06:40 PM

Just stopped by the ol' Avarice Cafe to see what the cast and crew are up to today, and I have a comment for Nicey.

Nicey: Just some friendly advice: The Word of God is like a sword--it takes skill to use it, and it takes wisdom to know how and when, with grace and precision.

When I was a new Christian, some 33 years ago, I clobbered people over the head with Christ, and you know what? I'll bet lots of them just wound up hating Christians and writing us off as idiots. We used to glory in being "fools for Christ," and we didn't realize what true fools we were. I moved on from that after a couple of years and decided to be "just me" as I am, honest with God and men.

Since then I've learned there is a time and place to speak of matters of faith and salvation, and they are not every minute of every day with everyone.

By remembering that it was the most highly religious people of 33 A.D. who had Jesus crucified, we can realize how easy it is to become "God's co-bullies," which no decent person is going to be attracted to. The Christian agenda is not to come off as holier-than-thou, though God knows this has infected so much of Christendom from the start.

If you'll respect the Word of God as a sword, and learn to use it with respect and reverence, I believe you will be rewarded with the experience of being God's instrument instead of (apparently, considering the response here) zealotry's tool. Relax and let God do some of the driving for a while. As you said, He's in charge.

Just some friendly, constructive advice. Hope you take it in the right spirit.

Jimi

Posted by Jimi_left at 2006-06-04 07:38 PM

You're a liar, an asshole, someone who's an overripe drama queen, and someone who's generally useless to humanity.

I guess a left handed compliment coming from a liar, a hypocrite who tells people to "live in the now" even as he drags up everyone's past, and someone whose life is so vaccuous that he stores years of blogs on his hard drive, and an egotist whose big claim to fame is coining the phrase "self retorting retort" and hosts a failed radio show whose only callers are other network employees is better than no compliement at all.

You're welcome, takitez (Mat 7:15 )

Hate filtered through a smile isn't pretty

Hans

Religious people crucified Jesus; faithful disciples shared Jesus.

Some people will always be offended with the sharing of the gospel. But in this particular context (the topic touches on the Bible), it is very appropriate to share matters of the Bible.

"a hypocrite who tells people..."

I have always been impressed by the integrity of even a self-proclaimed "teenager"

First, I'm not a christian, nor claimed to be one...so mr goat, I'm not causing the christians any harm. And I'm certainly not the only one offended by takeitez style of proseltyzing.

I am the only one he's ask to leave him alone though. But I think I will continue to exercise my liberties, if the mood strikes me.

"Religious people crucified Jesus; faithful disciples shared Jesus."

#130 | Posted by takitez at 2008-12-10 09:40 PM | Reply | Flag: "I am like Jesus"

Yes, takitez... we know that you think of yourself as Jesus.

Hans

Hans, by now I have come to understand a bit of your hatred for Christianity and me, so when you alleged me to be Jesus, I find it hilarious.

But just so there is no confusion, to be on record, I am not Jesus and I'm not even a Jew. I'm only an ordinary sinner who found grace and forgiveness in the finshed work of Jesus Christ on the cross!

hans -- have you never in your life said something then changed your mind? You have? Then you chastizing me for doing the same thing makes you a hypocrite.

Tell me you've never declared something then changed your mind later. I dare you.

LOL

Go back to you vacant little hard drive based blog-life, hypocrite

Oh, while you're at it, why don't you take your own advice and "Live in the now". What a hypocrite.

Unlike last time when I said I was simply taking a break, I am leaving for good.").

LOL. I play you like a piano, Hans. I can make you drag that out whenever I want. You are too easy. I'll do it again whenever I feel like pulling your puppet strings. I guess that's what happens when your life is so pitiful it revolves around years of blog postings.

Suggestion: Get away from the blogs for a while and get real life. You might actually find it enjoyable.

I was going to try to top all your comments. Let me see... nope, can't do it. Good job everyone.