Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Tuesday, December 09, 2008

Pakistan will not hand India any of the Lashkar-e-Taiba militants arrested on Sunday for their suspected role in the Mumbai terrorist attacks, but will try them under its own laws. "Even if allegations are proved against any suspect, he will not be handed over to India," foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said. "We will proceed against those arrested under Pakistani laws."

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And it would help if India provides the evidence it claims to have against the suspects.

Or else the courts will have no option but to set them free.

I'm sure they'll get a fair trial. *snark*

Oh Goatee... tsk tsk

The good news for us is that if India and Pakistan decide to duke it out or nuke it out, we can stand back and laugh and hope they both lose.

BOOOOOMMMMMM!!!

Nuke or duke...I'm rooting for the Indians.

stand back and laugh

Sweet Jesus.

Nuclear war as a spectator sport.

Got your fallout shelter ready?

How about your down clothing for the nuclear winter?

FWTHOM must have a reliable fall-out shelter I guess. "Stand back and laugh"? - you are (I assume) on the same smallish planet.

yea not to mention korea is right there fwthom
and would feel the affect of nuclear fallout badly.

too bad you don't care for your spouses family.

oh and not to mention all the american troops there

but you only care about the troops because it makes your flag waving buddies happy

in reality you like every rightard only care about yourself

The good news for us is that if India and Pakistan decide to duke it out or nuke it out, we can stand back and laugh and hope they both lose.


If both use nukes, world temperatures will fall by around 15-25 degrees C. (this is American research.. not mine)

That MASSIVE change in climate will make sure Americans start eating out of garbage cans.

Everything is commented boys and girls... the hip bone is connected to the tight bone.. the thigh bone is connected to the leg bone.. the leg bone is ... them them bones, dry bones... LOL

in reality you like every rightard only care about yourself

Posted by klifferd
======================

I heard that klifferd is a muslim extremist!

FACT!!!

oh james dean

hows the dick sucking treating you today

FACT

Exclusive - here's FWTHOM laughing his head off:

www.newint.org

Everything is commented boys and girls

You stupid chink! How do you even SEE???

FACT!

"How do you even SEE???"

you tell me james

your mouth being affixed to crack head pelvis's on the reg... all you see is pubes.

FACT

"your mouth being affixed to crack head pelvis's on the reg... "
kliffy

I have no idea about what that mess was supposed to say Mohamid...

hahah

james doesn't your jaw hurt from all the dicksucking?

FACT

james doesn't your jaw hurt from all the dicksucking?


FACT

Posted by klifferd

^^^Kilifferd is a muslim extremist HOMOSEXUAL^^^

FACT!!!!

Vegas has the dot heads at 3-1 odds.

"The good news for us is that if India and Pakistan decide to duke it out or nuke it out, we can stand back and laugh and hope they both lose."

Lemme see:

Population of India....1,135,000,000
Population of Pakistan...165,000,000

India's head coach says, "We don't need no stinkin' nukes."

Final Super Bowl score prediction:


India 96
Pakistan 0

India wins national championship.



actually do a wiki search moron

"Today, Dean is often considered an icon because of his "experimental" take on life, which included his ambivalent sexuality.[20] There have been several accounts of Dean's sexual relationships with both men and women. "


james dean was gay.
just like you

so please step out of the closet...

you can move to connecticut and get married to your crack dealer.

you can move to connecticut and get married to your crack dealer.

Posted by klifferd
^^^Killbert is also a DRUG ADDICT!!!^^^

FACT!

"drug addict"

thanks

Under Islamic law, they're heroes, not lawbreakers.

Thus, the problem. India should launch first, and hope Pakistan doesn't get their warheads onto the camel mounts in time. The annihilation of Pakistan would be mourned by exactly eleven people worldwide.

India should launch first


India has a "no first use" doctrine. LOL

"Under Islamic law, they're heroes, not lawbreakers."

wrong again

in many ways

first of all aggression and collatoral damage is against the rules of war declared by islamic law.

a 13 year old girl was killed making the perps of this tragedy instant sinners and not martyrs.

second, pakistan doesn't run on islamic law

nice try though

your post shows more and more why the right in this country has lost.

you should change yer name from
rightisright

to rightisdumb

Under Islamic law


Under a predominantly British legal system, you mean?

Pakistan (like India) follows British law.

But then, a stoopid American won't know that.

"Pakistan (like India) follows British law."

which is my only critisizm of my parents land lol

british?
why!!!

Pakistan (like India) follows British law.

Where in British law are stonings and 'honor killings' upheld?

interesting to note

there are no indians on the retort

but two ethnic pakistani's

hmm

"Pakistan (like India) follows British law."

you are right.

where in pakistani law are stoning and holor killings upheld

Everywhere outside Islamabad, apparently. Just ask Tosser how many rocks he's thrown this month.

India has a "no first use" doctrine. LOL

#24 | Posted by Tosser

* * * *

On close examination, their "no first use" doctrine only applies to other human beings.

The Pakistani government protecting terrorists who attacked another country?

Sounds familiar.....

You can't blame India for not bombing the shit out of Pakistan because Pakistan is capable of nuking India.

I have no idea what our excuse is.

Where in British law are stonings and 'honor killings' upheld?


They are not, Jahil-Amreekan. Not in British law nor in Pakistani law.

sully pakistan is capable of nuking anyone
they have nuclear warheads on their submarines.

interesting to note there are no indians on the retort but two ethnic pakistani's


Dumroo Americans don't get it. They will never get it.


I have no idea what our excuse is.


We are your allies. LOL. You are our Uncle.

Tosser wants Americans dead. It is clear in every post I read.

"The Pakistani government protecting terrorists who attacked another country?"

funny

they will be tried and most likely executed

there is no extradition treaty

maybe india should stop pointing their fingures constantly and work WITH pakistan and maybe they WOULD have an extradition treaty.

What a surprise! Tosser has the first post on the thread and uses it to begin his defense of terrorists.

they have nuclear warheads on their submarines.


Right now, there are 36 warheads under the waters.

Location unknown and unknowable.

Tosser wants Americans dead.


Why would I want my rich and stupid Uncle dead?

Tosser has the ....


Evershort the Domestic servant of a Muslim family!

How you been?


Tosser wants Americans dead. It is clear in every post I read.

#39 | Posted by rastaninja


Rasta, we have found something that we agree on.

"And it would help if India provides the evidence it claims to have against the suspects.

Or else the courts will have no option but to set them free.

#1 | Posted by Tosser "

"What a surprise! Tosser has the first post on the thread and uses it to begin his defense of terrorists.

#41 | Posted by everlong"

The nerve of this guy wanting evidence and such. Obviously the guys are guilty. I mean just look at their skin and the way they dress; they HAVE to be terists. No evidence required huh?

So they are going to try the suspects under Pakistan laws.

I think the article is correct that if they just handed them over--there would or could be considerable unrest in Pakistan by the populace.

As long as the suspects--if convicted-- are never let out of prison or put to death. India should be satisfied.

Now if they are released--India would gripe and that could be a big problem.

i'm all about executing terrorists
but you still need evidence

i think bush has infected your memories

you can't prove someone is responsible for a crime unless you have evidence

just cause you say you are a hell's angel doesn't mean you can get arrested just for that... there has to be evidence to prove you did something illegal.

so tosser is right
why doesn't india provide the evidence?

probably cause they have only one guy they captured
and no real evidence, just finger pointing.

"As long as the suspects--if convicted-- are never let out of prison or put to death. India should be satisfied."

murph i agree,
and under pakistani laws, if they did commit these crimes, a firing squad is all they will have in their future.

"Location unknown and unknowable."

Wrong, BuzzardBreath. Those five or six submarines are diesel-electric and have to either surface or snorkel to charge batteries. Once they fire up those diesels they are extremely easy to detect, classify and locate. I think they were built in France. They are silent on battery, but can't stay submerged very long. In addition, they have to surface to launch missles. I would bet there are nuclear fast attack subs of the U.S. which know the EXACT location of Pakistan's subs at this very moment. In addition, read up on SOSUS.


The Pakistani government is just looking out for their own ass.

If they extradite the suspects and crack down on terrorism, the local terrorists (who they let fester) will redirect their attacks towards the Pakistani government.

With a local trial, they can make deals with these groups and ensure that even if there are convictions, no other damaging info is released about the government's own culpability or negligence.

For further examples of sticking one's head in the sand, see, e.g., Saudi Arabia.

"As long as the suspects--if convicted-- are never let out of prison or put to death. India should be satisfied."

Maybe Pakistan is afraid the Indians will put panties on their heads?

"they will be tried and most likely executed"

Sure. We should ignore Pakistan's record of protecting terrorists and take your word for it. What if these suspects "somehow" slip into the so-called lawless tribal region? We already know it is "impossible" to do anything over there. LOL.

"just cause you say you are a hell's angel doesn't mean you can get arrested just for that..."

Ever hear of RICO? Being part of a criminal organization is a crime. International law should have made being a part of terror organizations a crime too. That is the only real way to stop terrorists before they kill. But the UN is scared to do that because many Muslims would jump and down and burn stuff if their heros were criminalized.

why doesn't india provide the evidence?


probably cause they have only one guy they captured
and no real evidence, just finger pointing.

#48 | Posted by klifferd
* * * *

Which is why they should be questioned. And how do you propose to do that, if they're not turned over?

Gotta love the Paki position here.
"We had nothing to do with it! Don't blame us!! It was those extremists!"

"I know. We'd like to talk to them."

"No! Not without evidence!"

Easier just to bomb the Paki government off the face of the earth, and hope their successors are marginally more civilized. If not, repeat step 1.

and under pakistani laws, if they did commit these crimes, a firing squad is all they will have in their future.

#49 | Posted by klifferd

Or be treated like Bin Laden. Like fucking royalty.

The ignorance is strong here....

"The ignorance is strong here..."

Its more deception than ignorance. Certain people want to pretend that Pakistan can be trusted to fight terrorists who attack other countries while the facts on the ground prove otherwise.

Some people choose to believe this bullshit because in certain faux-intellectual circles it is fashionable to pretend that terrorists are isolated kooks who don't enjoy widespread support anywhere. While others of us aren't able to ignore reality.

"Or be treated like Bin Laden. Like fucking royalty."

if by royalty you mean hiding out in a cave and not being able to stick your head out for a second in fear of death and missle strikes

then yea royalty

Sounds like you know his whereabouts, Kliff...

"Easier just to bomb the Paki government off the face of the earth"

trust me
i have no love for the paki government

i've already expressed my concerns that a gangster is the president.


and sully
your really are clueless.
"Being part of a criminal organization is a crime"
thus all the crips and bloods roaming the streets of america

m13 has tens of thousands of members
and they all proudly display their membership
none are arrested.

as far as something similar to that in the UN
do it
the muslim countries aren't veto powers.. so there should be no problem with instating it

i for one am ok
if you call yourself al qaeda then suffer the consequences of that membership... ie bullet in the head.

"Sounds like you know his whereabouts, Kliff..."

i have my guesses... gobi desert, china.

Answer me this: Who all but created Al Quaida?

"While others of us aren't able to ignore reality"

you have no idea what reality is
you live in yer fantasy bubble.

"Answer me this: Who all but created Al Quaida?"

when i look into their eyes i see three letters

c.i.a.

Someone told me that Killferd is a radical muslim extremist!!!


FACT!!!

'"Being part of a criminal organization is a crime"
thus all the crips and bloods roaming the streets of america

m13 has tens of thousands of members
and they all proudly display their membership
none are arrested.'

Way to take half a quote and then respond to it. I was talking about RICO, which you edited out. Look it up, learn how it is applied and then you can respond to what I said honestly.

"as far as something similar to that in the UN
do it the muslim countries aren't veto powers.. so there should be no problem with instating it"

That the UN is intimidated by Muslims is fairly obvious. Why do you think nothing has been done about Sudan? You think the UN has the stones to outlaw Hamas or Hezbollah? Think again.

"you have no idea what reality is
you live in yer fantasy bubble."

That Pakistan plays both sides of the fence with regards to terrorists is common knowledge. That this policies helps the terrorists more than their persuers is fairly obvious. You are the one living in your own world.

Hey, you won't find me making excuses for the modern IRA despite my ethnic background. Let go of your tribalism and look at things for what they are.

"That Pakistan plays both sides of the fence with regards to terrorists is common knowledge. That this policies helps the terrorists more than their persuers is fairly obvious. You are the one living in your own world."

the pakistani government i agree is f'd up

but your understanding is not fully there

they aren't playing both sides of the fense for ideoligy
they are playing for money

there is no fence if greenbacks are calling.

and i haven't once made an excuse for the modern al qaeda

find a quote ... i dare you where i make any excuse for any scumbag extremists

let my tribalism go?
i'm saying eliminate tribalism

modernize the shit

going to war with guns however is not the answer
hasn't worked against a terror group EVER
EVERRRR

how bout learning from history
education and infrastructure is the only way to defeat tribalism.

but unfortunately it takes a few years for that to work...
in the mean time your guns blazing attitude has just made the situation worse.

its a small thing to change the phrase from islamic terrorism to muslim terrorism

but in the minds and hearts of the muslim masses its a HUGE deal.

you might not care
which is obvious through your words of disdain

but thats why you don't have the hundreds of thousands of sympathetic muslim masses on your side.

i would say its a huge reason why the "war" on terror has not been doing well

you would be well to learn from patreous who actually made headway with the sunnis in iraq.

"the pakistani government i agree is f'd up

but your understanding is not fully there

they aren't playing both sides of the fense for ideoligy
they are playing for money

there is no fence if greenbacks are calling."

OK, so then why do you find fault when people say the Pakistani government can't be trusted to handle the Mumbai terrorists properly? Seems to me your statements indicate that you know they can't be trusted.

"and i haven't once made an excuse for the modern al qaeda

find a quote ... i dare you where i make any excuse for any scumbag extremists"

The difference between you and I is that I don't differentiate between operational and support members of Al Queda. I don't doubt that you disdain Bin Laden and other obvious bad guys. But you seem to draw the line at them. To me, if you invite Bin Laden into your village, if you are an army officer who provides his men intelligence, if you feed him, etc etc - you are a member of Al Queda. Al Queda has much support in the Pakistani government and that is a problem.

"
its a small thing to change the phrase from islamic terrorism to muslim terrorism

but in the minds and hearts of the muslim masses its a HUGE deal."

And rather than blame the people who commit attrocities in the name of their religion, they blame others for not knowing the difference between "Islamic" and "Muslim" as if it should matter to us.

If these people didn't have some sympathy for the terrorists in their hearts, their anger would be directed where it belongs. Do you really think it is reasonable to say "I would be more anti-terrorist if non-Muslims would use the correct terms in describing them?"

Its horseshit and you know it.


"going to war with guns however is not the answer
hasn't worked against a terror group EVER
EVERRRR"

That isn't true. Khadaffi was convinced to stop supporting terrorism very easily through the use of weapons. There has to be thousands of examples throughout human history (no necessarily "with guns" but with weapons)

Those five or six submarines are diesel-electric and have to either surface or snorkel to charge batteries.


This isn't WW2.... LOL

AIP (Air Independent Propulsion) powered... that's "fuel cells" for you, Duddoo.

The subs don't surface or snorkel.

And you have no idea where they are. Your underwater sensors can't detect these new stealth jobs.

Feel free to look it up.

At least 36 nukes could be pointing at your ass right now and you would never know.

If you doubt me, look up "Agosta 90 B" and "Khalid class" and "U-214".

That Pakistan plays both sides of the fence with regards to terrorists


So does the US.

Iran Contra.... God knows what other shit...

Where do you think we learnt all our tricks?

From our Uncle Dear, that's where.

That the UN is intimidated by Muslims is fairly obvious.


Nonsense.

If Pakistan wants to be a country full of psychotics, I'm a live-and-let-live kind of guy. But as soon as they start exporting their craziness over their borders, that the civilized world needs to rediscover what push-button weapons are for. Musharrah is either incompetent in dealing with the Islamists, or complicit. Either way, it's high time for responsible governments to fix the problem, cheaper the better. And there's nothing cheaper than big bombs. If death and mayhem is all the psychotics like Tosser and his pals understand, then the Indians can deliver an unlimited amount of both in about twenty minutes.

Certain people want to pretend that Pakistan can be trusted to fight terrorists


Pakistan is as trustworthy as the US is.

We are the pals you deserve.

the Indians can deliver an unlimited amount of both in about twenty minutes.


We can deliver more in 5 minutes. LOL


Musharrah is either incompetent


Musharrah??? You mean Musharaf? LOL

Jahil-Amreekan... Mushi is a nobody now. If you don't even know THAT, you must be on drugs or something.

Indian missiles are liquid fueled. They require long time and a logistics chain to get ready.

Pakistani missiles are solid fueled. Instant launch.

The nuclear cloud following the exchange of nukes between India and Pakistan with float from East Pakistan thgrough Malaysia and Indonesia killing many birds with a few stones. Nuclear fallout can be a good thing.

tosser don't you feel it is unsporting to argue with the mentally challenged?

Plus, Pakistani missiles have MIRV.

www.atomicarchive.com

Indians don't. And they won't for many many years yet.

"Its horseshit and you know it."

maybe so
but stating that doesn't get you anywhere which is why you are not a diplomat
your a blogger

second
khadaffi
is a dictator
and i'm sure money was the real bargaining chip

tosser don't you feel it is unsporting to argue with the mentally challenged?


Whenever I have a discussion with the mentally challenged, I Twitter my pals at the Defense Forums.

They are all reading this shit and laughing their heads off.

tosser is right
pakistan has better nuclear AND missle technology then India.

it has better naval and air technology as well.

they just have way less then india.

india has an HUGE army, navy and air force

all russian weaponry

pakistan has us and chinese tech.

great pals. pakistan, china and the usa.


besides anyone who thinks indian and pak are going to go to nuke war is out of their minds.

proxy wars through kashmir is the way they do battles.

The nuclear cloud following the exchange of nukes between India and Pakistan...


....will decrease temperature worldwide by 25 C.

Americans will be killing each other over tiny scraps of food.

Really.

Americans will be killing each other over tiny scraps of food.

Naw we will just make our cows woolly. We don't eat veggies anyway.

Americans will be killing each other over tiny scraps of food.

Really.

#84 | Posted by Tosser

But the Pakistanis won't have to worry about it because by then they will BE tiny scraps of food.

Like Klifferd said...

Pakistan's weaponry is way above and beyond what India has.

India has just more ships, planes and stuff.

But Pakistan has better nukes and missiles that actually work.

Their CEP has been verified by the Americans. It is measured in meters.

Indians have never let their own CEP be known because it stinks. Their missiles are always off target by hundreds of miles.

India does not have AIP subs. They don't have air launched cruise missiles. They don't have cruise missiles, period.

They do have an anti-ship missile called "Brahmos" that is actually just 4 missiles the Russians gave them, painted in Indian colors. And their range is limited.

etc etc

Out dear Uncle.. Uncle Sam ... taught us most of what we know. LOL

As did our Chinese cousins.

But the Pakistanis won't have to worry about it


If you die instantly in a nuke war, you are one lucky fellow.

Americans will not be lucky. You will go slow.

"maybe so
but stating that doesn't get you anywhere which is why you are not a diplomat
your a blogger"

Dealing with people who aren't being honest - "We would be more anti-terror if you used the right words...." - as if they are being honest will get you nowhere. All that does is help them rationalize their lies. Muslims don't do more to combat terrorists because somewhere in their soul they feel sympathetic towards them. They can't side with the infidel over their own people.

That's bad enough but then they want to insult our intelligence by blaming us for their moral failings. Sorry but no matter how many times you say that humoring them and their lies would help the situation, I know that isn't true.

"second
khadaffi
is a dictator
and i'm sure money was the real bargaining chip"

Whatever it was, it wasn't saying "please".... Mitigating the threat posed by violent psycopaths through violence works all the time. People who like to pretend violence can't solve problems are ignorant to almost the entirety of human history.

If worldwide temperatures drop by 25C we won't have to listen to Al Gore and the global warming crowd running their mouths. That alone make this nuclear war a good thing.

we won't have to listen to Al Gore


Why does America hate Al Gore?

To Klifferd:

Have you seen Gore's recent pics?

Why is he looking more and more like Nawazoo's lost twin? LOL

If you die instantly in a nuke war, you are one lucky fellow.


Americans will not be lucky. You will go slow.

#88 | Posted by Tosser

We call it old age, dickhead.

Tosser is just a slanty eyed America ENVIER!!!

FACT!!!

We call it old age, dickhead.


Try and keep up with the conversation. Dickhead.

We are talking global nuke winter climate change and it's effect on world food supply. Dickhead.

We are talking global nuke winter climate change and it's effect on world food supply. Dickhead.

#95 | Posted by Tosser


We'll change the climate before one of you middle-eastern camel jockies fucks your first virgin.

one of you middle-eastern


I am not from the Middle East. Dickhead.


We'll change the climate


If you could have, you would have. Dickhead.

tosser
agreed al gore is getting pretty "mota"

agreed al gore is getting pretty "mota"


I noticed this when I saw his pic today and thought to myself "why do I want to slap this guy?"... even though I am pretty sure Gore is a good fellow.

Then I realized he reminded me of Nawazoo. LOL

sorry sully
yo have a very one dimentional view on world politics which is obviously from the bubble the us culture has created for you

yea looking like mr. sharif (sharif my ass)
will definately make anyone have an urge to physically assualt the man

bottom line of this entire thread is this

you need to provide evidence in order to get extradition or cooperation.


bottom line of this entire thread is this


you need to provide evidence in order to get extradition or cooperation.


#102 | Posted by klifferd

Bullshit. The bottom line is that Tosser is a dickhead.

The bottom line is that Tosser is a dickhead.


Am I more unpopular in America than War-Chimp?

Can I be your next President then? LOL

"sorry sully
yo have a very one dimentional view on world politics which is obviously from the bubble the us culture has created for you"

LOL. I completely understand the arguements forwarded by those who want to rationalize the actions of those who sympahtize with and support terrorists. I simply don't believe those arguements as they don't stand up to scrutiny.

Now you want to blow me off using the stereotype of the "ignorant American".

We both know that isn't true. I'm not the one arguing that the Pakistani government can be trusted to charge these terrorists in one post and then saying what untrustworthy money whores they are in the next. I'm not the one blabbering about education with regards to terrorism - Bin Laden is a billionaire. The next guy in line is a doctor. The people within the Pakistani government who help them are educated individuals. You have the education and intelligence to know better than to make excuses for all of them.

You haven't been able to refute anything I've said. You've contradicted yourself at least once as I just pointed out. Obviously, if either of us is living in a bubble that causes our opinions to be skewed, it is you.

What you don't like about me is that I will bluntly throw reality back in your face when you want to perpetuate myths.

"You have the education and intelligence to know better than to make excuses for all of them."

That wasn't fair. You clearly aren't making excuses for the terrorists, just the people who protect them. Otherwise, I stand by what I said.

i'm not making excuses

but you HAVE to provide evidence

the pakistani people pay the death price everyday of these extremists fuckheads

and the people of pakistan deserve the trial to be in pakistan of these militants unless india can provide evidence that they should be extradited


what about that can't you understand

thousands of pakistani civilians and military have died fighting these guys

so unless you got proof shut the f up.

and i don't want the fucks protected either
i want them tried and hung in a public square.

these hijackers of my faith deserve nothing less then middle age style drawing and quartering

and if the pakistani govt protects them

then thats a very dire thing

i just don't think with the media spotlight, that they will let these bitches go

The nerve of this guy wanting evidence and such. Obviously the guys are guilty. I mean just look at their skin and the way they dress; they HAVE to be terists. No evidence required huh?

#46 | Posted by slaryman

NOtice I said BEGIN his defense of. In no way did I insinuate that they were guilty. It was a statement made from experience. And if it's just in how they dress and how they look then the whole country is guilty. Try your steroetype baiting somewhere else.

Some people choose to believe this bullshit because in certain faux-intellectual circles it is fashionable to pretend that terrorists are isolated kooks who don't enjoy widespread support anywhere. While others of us aren't able to ignore reality.

#57 | Posted by Sully


Bravo! Truer words were never uttered.


Answer me this: Who all but created Al Quaida?

#62 | Posted by slaryman


Oh Jesus! Not this inane argument again. I suppose you think it's just all that easy and uncomplicated, huh? Yeah, we just gave money and weapons to a group of Islamists because we liked them and we wanted them to become powerful. I suppose you would have liked it better if we just let the Soviets run over them and take control of that country.

We can deliver more in 5 minutes. LOL


Get real. YOu couldn't line up enough suicide bombers to even come close to what India could drop on your ass in 5 minutes.

Get real. YOu couldn't line up enough suicide bombers to even come close to what India could drop on your ass in 5 minutes.


In 5 minutes there won't be an India.

And I am not the one who said that.

"but you HAVE to provide evidence"

But that is NOT the position of the Pakistani government that caused my reaction. This is what they said: '"Even if allegations are proved against any suspect, he will not be handed over to India," foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said.'

Pakistan did nothing but issue denials from the first moment India said signs pointed to the attackers having crossed over from Pakistan.

So am I to ignore the actions and words of the Pakistani government in this manner or believe you?

Is it possible that the reason the Pakistani don't want to extradite the murderous crew is based on a couple of reasons. First, they are in sympathy with them and these mruderers are acting out the dreams of the Pakistanis in power. Second, the Pakistani government through its intelligence services and otherwise is intimately involved with the bombers, and doesn't want to be exposed.

I suspect that the Indians have more sense than the Americans and wouldn't be restrained by concerns over methods used to secure information. As least I would hope not.

So am I to ignore the actions and words of the Pakistani government in this manner or believe you?


There is no difference between what I have been saying and what the Pak-Gov is saying.

If they are found guilty, they will not be handed over to India. They will be punished here.

All I have said is doubt they have the evidence to stand up in a court. From what we have seen they have, any lawyer can tear it apart.

Sully:

India... since many many years now... has a list of people it gives to Pakistan.

The list has 20 people on it. People who they say are hiding in Pakistan and wanted by India.

India gave us that same tired old list again after the Bombay attacks.

In return we gave them OUR list. It has names of 35 people on it. People wanted for terrorist activities and bomb blasts in Pakistan... people who have escaped to India.

When India delivers those people on OUR list, we will try and do something about the people on THEIR list. (if indeed they ever were here)

This is how it works since we don't have a formal extradition treaty with India. This is why nobody can be just handed over.

India wants a guy called "Dawood Ibrahim". He is their Mafia boss and he was held responsible for bringing Bombay to it's knees in 1993. They say he is staying half a mile away from where I live.

I myself have gone and looked for this guy when out on my evening walks... no luck. LOL

Sometimes war is the only answer.

Sometimes war is the only answer.


I agree.

"Sometimes war is the only answer.

I agree.
Posted by Tosser

Shaddup you 90 lb twat...

FACT!!!

There's no reason to moan and groan about the world. It's time to acknowledge that George Bush was right, and that all of the vituperation heaped upon him by clueless leftist Amercan dupes, was unwarranted.

It's "them" or "us." John Dewey also made this observation, and it stands the test of time. We have two sets of rules, that for our "in-group" and that for those in an "out-group." And we in the West have tried to make the entire world our in-group as evidenced in part by the insanity of extending "rights" to terrorists, which handicaps us in our efforts to thwart their actions.

Elements in nature engage in self-assembly. We are trying to devise models, which are contrary to what occurs in nature, and the consequence is that we are out of synch with what is occurring, and cannot respond reasonably since we are shackled by our misperceptions.

The West has promulgated a set of rules for war that is based on a model responsive to the circumstances of the last major conflict, WWII, one in which armed forces were identified and arrayed against each other in mass numbers, and in which the power of weapons was far more limited. The "rules" were issued in the expectation of "reciprocity."

We are operating as if the rules formulated are proper for the current landscape. One element lacking is the absence of reciprocity. There is no atrocity that is not within the playbook of those opposed to us. They are not identified or distinguished from their masses, "the sea" according to Mao, in which they operate, and which confers them protection.

We have distinguished "civilian populations" as if they are an entity that exists in the current conflict. Our civilians are targeted, but we attempt to be surgical and rather than attacking their civilian populations in reprisal and terrorizing them (as the Indians would be well-justified to do), we restrict our operations to avoid harming terrorists if there is a chance that the populations supporting and nurturing them, which provide them with cover, may be harmed.

We are far too circumspect. The doctrine of WWII, which recognized the idea of "A Nation In Arms," the commitment and involvement of civilian population as a performing necessary part in the conflict and being an essential element in its conduct, has again become the reality. The Islamic populations in their active and tacit support of terrorists and terrorism, have converted themselves into proper targets for retribution. There are no sanctuaries as the terrorist target everyone and everything. They should not be permitted anyplace in which to hide, or from which to operate. Bush was right. It's us or them. And let it be "them" who suffer as we avail ourselves of use of all our resources tof avoid harm to ourselves.

And fellows like Tosser, who gloat at our weakness, may rue the day that they pulled the tiger's tail. Tosser forgets that the reaon they survive is because we have limited our response due to internal weakness and psychological/sociological/
anthropological problems that have beset us. Circumstances, however, may eventually jolt us into reality, and we may "tranquilize" the Khyber Pass to the detriment of the savages, who dwell in that region, and many many others. We will undoubtedly also re-evaluate our "game plan" and adapt to reality if we are to survive. This may indeed necessitate that others suffer and perish. So be it.



"It's time to acknowledge that George Bush was right"

hahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahah
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And fellows like Tosser, who gloat at our weakness, may rue the day that they pulled the tiger's tail. Tosser forgets that the reaon they survive is because we have limited our response due to internal weakness .... We will undoubtedly also re-evaluate our "game plan" and adapt to reality if we are to survive. This may indeed necessitate that others suffer and perish. So be it.


US Army needs just a few more pompous Fundos like yourself and job will be complete.

LOL

And fellows like Tosser.... may rue the day


Oh I rue and rue every time you show up. LOL

Comedy Central.

You can't blame India for not bombing the shit out of Pakistan because Pakistan is capable of nuking India. I have no idea what our excuse is. --#35 | Posted by Sully

By this logic, shouldn't Iraq have bombed the shit out of us, or have solicited the aid of an ally to do it?

Why do you want to hold Pakistani citizens collectively guilty? And as an American, why do you want to nuke civilians rather than put suspects on trial? Aren't you forgetting what we're supposed to stand for?

And as an American, why do you want to nuke civilians rather than put suspects on trial?


Yeah. If you are so concerned about all this, tell your Govt to tell the Indians to make their 'evidence' public.

Not the crap they are putting on the internet... pics without ID numbers (all PK-ID cards have bar-codes and such).. 'confessions' obtained by drugs... "we know they made phone calls to Pak" (verifiable phone records please?)... etc.

If they can come up with a shred of evidence that is verifiable and can stand up in court, they will get their conviction and the terriers will be behind bars.

It is so simple. Tell the Indians to come up with something that a lawyer can't tear through.

It's time to acknowledge that George Bush was right, and that all of the vituperation heaped upon him by clueless leftist Amercan dupes, was unwarranted.

Oh, it's a Johnson post.

/scrolls past two pages of meaningless bullshit

Oh, it's a Johnson


Yeah, that's out Fundo.

He is a miracle of medical research. First guy who can breathe through his ass.

Ah Tosser, as I related in greater detail on another recent thread involving Pakistanis, you combine your talents as a vaunted cocksmith and as a gourmet of your ethnic food with your taste for blood, and as a cunnilinguist with exquisite tastes, now share your food taste with your countrymen at "The Mentrual Blood Cafe," where all your fellow gourmets can relish your concoctions. That's the thing for you folks isn't it. As a punkah boy, you can serve the terrorist warriors who patronize your establishment, feasting on the delights they relish.

You do feed the women who provide the blood, special diets don't you to develop different nuances with distinctive flavors, and is there addional distinction in taste between first day blood, second day blood, third day blood, sort of like extra virgin olive oil with a first pressing, isn't there. I know that the clients at your estalbishment can count on you Tosser, to preview the delicacies that you serve.

By the way Tosser, are you just a blowhard, or will you go to the hustings and fight alongside those whose exploits provide you with such glee and joy.

Since the Second World War, Tosser, the United States has exercised great moderation in its conflicts, and has sought to minimize harm to civilians, no carpet bombings such as occurred in Dresden and Tokyo. But as history has demonstrated, the white man is quite capable of reverting to type. Flaunt the resistance of your tribesmen, but the wait with bated breath for the next drone. And if the U.S. decides to eliminate human life in the area, stay away.

By the way, the legalisms will disappear in time. We may be slow to adapt. We may "grind exceeding slow, but eventually we grind exceeding fine.

Come on Tosser. Why not join the fray. Grow a beard and be a comrade to the men on the frontier, who engage the Indians.

I agree with the terrorists that civilians are part of the equation. In modern war, there is no separation of civilian support and involvement from the actual field of battle. Rejoice now before the Indians accept the challenge and join the fray, also targeting your population centers. Better move to the country, Tosser. Those Indians ... may just take offense at the continuing insults and your cities may be not uninhabitable, but rather uninhabited.

Tosser this, Tosser that.... get a life Fundo.

I never can read more than a quarter of any post of yours before skipping to the next post.


TOSSER THE TERRORIST......HAHAHAHHAHHHAHA
....i have been reading for the last week about your melt down on what happened in India...and you performed as expected.....just like i predicted.....as i say again....you call yourself a moderate muslim....MY ASS....you are a closet terrorist just like i called you.....


TOSSER THE TERRORIST.... was once embrassed by the left on this site as a insightful muslim with great knowlege on regional politics...but now i laughed at and mocked by both sides....Thank You for giving us a Bi-Partisan stance in america


TOSSER THE TERRORIST.... said that the reason america was successful in military strikes in pakistan was due to sole efforts of the pakistan intelligance...and that america knows nothing of what goes on in pakistan (which is total bullshit)...i guess your superior intel service missed this one......or maybe turned more of blind eye as usual


TOSSER THE TERRORIST.... would rather deflect and try to pit america party v.s. american party but we are not buying it.....just like we do not buying your excuses or explinations


TOSSER THE TERRORIST....is exposed and out of gas....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA

Judas:

Cross-posting will get you banned.

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