Lack of standing to sue? We are talking about the Office of the President. Not the Office of the President-Elect that doesn't exist.

Who has a right to challenge in court the eligibility of a candidate? Any American. If the Electoral College doesn't address it, there has to be recourse.

Well, you go right ahead, and let us know how it all turns out.

If they accept the case, I don't think you'll need a note.

"Will the Supreme Court hear the case?"

In a word?
No.

If there was anything to this, the Clinton's would've exploited it long ago. More bullshit.

Since the whole world seems to be wrapped up in this, i doubt the scotus will hear it. they are not completely unaware of politics.

Hell, for a minute I thought Dianna Ross and those other 2 backup lounge singers were going to rule on it.

I don't buy into the conspiracy of these Birthers at all, but to play devil's advocate for a moment, I wanted to toss out this question: If Obama were born outside the U.S., do you believe the Supremes should at this point declare him ineligible to serve as president and repudiate his election? Wouldn't the consequences of that act be intensely damaging to the country at a time of great national crisis?

Remember that these are justices who bought into the idea that a recount could damage the presidency irreperably by suggesting that the presumptive winner wasn't really the winner. If they have such fine-grained concern for the country's delicate constitution -- as opposed to its Constitution -- wouldn't they be extremely reluctant to overturn a democratic election on Dec. 4?

Since the whole world seems to be wrapped up in this, i doubt the scotus will hear it. they are not completely unaware of politics.

#6 | Posted by Lipzoidial

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18% of registered American voters who approve of Bush. The rest of us know it's silly.

I don't know if anyone recalls that Nixon tried to suspend the Constitution and the SCOTUS turned him down.

Hell, for a minute I thought Dianna Ross and those other 2 backup lounge singers were going to rule on it.

#7 | Posted by wisgod

They did rule on this.

Didn't you hear?

They told the whackjobs who are still on this silly kick to...

* key music *

"Stop!

In the name of Love.

Before you Break my Heart."

And also to...

"Think it over."

Oh yeah, and THIS...

If there was anything to this, the Clinton's would've exploited it long ago. More bullshit.

#5 | Posted by LeeAtwater

On the money, Lee.

Be Well.

Considering the next president will appoint members of the SC it makes me wonder if the conservative majority may not be tempted to, at least, play with the idea of removing the elected President Elect. Sounds crazy yes, but then I sort of thought in 2000 they completely lost any claim of legitimate constitutional awareness. Show me in the constitution where the SC gets to choose the next president, they clearly overstepped their authority then but then they are also the final arbiter of that controversy.

Gee

Since Ann and Barack, Sr. were enrolled in school, you suppose they'd just traipse off to Kenya while she's 9 months pregnant?

This is such a silly quest for 'something, anything'.

The whole thing's a joke.

What is the court going to do. Examine the document? I can see it now,

Roberts - "What is the original intent of this certificate?"

Stevens - "Yep"

Scalia - "Screw him he's a Muslim!"

Kennedy - "Let's get this over with I'm tired."

Souter - "Will he go after my home if I say no?"

Thomas - " "

Ginsberg - "Oh my Yes"

Breyer - "Who cares?"

Alito - "Whatever Scalia says."

"Since Ann and Barack, Sr. were enrolled in school, you suppose they'd just traipse off to Kenya while she's 9 months pregnant?"

Would the airlines even let her fly back then, they wouldn't now.

Prolix247, one revision....

Ginsberg - What's this thing on top my soda can?

Thomas - Hee hee

Speaking of the SC, it seems to me that George Bush actually even exceeded their tolerance for unconstitutional policies regarding imprisonment without recourse. Amazingly this court actually still could make me proud of America and our adherance to the rule of law even in regards to those who are accused of being terrorists dedicated to destoying us and our way of life. Even the most conservative court in my life time wouldn't completely go along with all Bush/Cheney/Gonzalez wanted to do.

DANNI

The whole premise doesn't make sense. The idea she'd traipse off to an African country to have a baby is ludicrous.

The hospital in Honolulu has confirmed he was born there.

Probably another of Andy Martin's planted BS stories some are foolish enough to believe.

Wisgod - Good catch...

"The whole premise doesn't make sense. The idea she'd traipse off to an African country to have a baby is ludicrous."

I hope you don't think I disagree with that.
That's not what I meant above, I meant that some of the righties on the SC have already shown us that they aren't even limited by their powers under the constitution and they are very ideological people, which is the most dangerous kind of person. I don't think they could get a majority but just that some of them would actually think about preventing Obama from being president. We'll probably (hopefully) never know.

I think he ought to produce the genuine article. After all, if there's nothing to hide, why doesn't he?

The whole thing's a joke.

#12 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

The fact you think it's a joke is reason enough for me to want to see a real birth certificate.

OK, which is it?

Was he born in Kenya?
Was he born in Hawaii, then renounced his citizenship in Yugoslavia?
Was he an immaculate conception and therefore not a "naturally" born citizen?

The whole conspiracy thing would be more credible if they could stick to one set of accusations. Not much more credible, mind you, but...

Danni, everyone knows that they would send out the flying monkeys to capture him, put him in a room with a hourglass and hope the Scarecrow, Tin-man and Cowardly lion wouldn't rescue him.

DANNI

I was making a general statement.

AMERICAN1ST

Go for it. While you're at it you can prove Andy Martin's "He's a Muslim" claim, "went to a Madrassa", prove he 'swore his oath on the Koran', or any of the other ridiculous claims the FreeRepublic crowd swallows hook, line, and sinker.

Were you aware you have to be a U.S. Citizen to be in Congress? Are you aware that the FBI would have required to see naturalization papers if there were even a question of Obama's place of birth? That as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee he already had a Top Secret clearance?

Spend all your time proving he was born in Kenya. In fact, you should go there and bring back proof. No one else has been able to. The Hawiaan Secretary of State has stated he was born in Hawaii.

if you go to Kenya, bring back some trinkets to share with the class. You sure won't be bringing back a birth certificate.

Put an (R) next to his name, repeat the exact same circumstances, and say that, AU...

...Nevermind, you wouldn't. Because you're a party-line hack, and nothing more.

Sure, whatever you say AMERICAN!ST

Go to Kenya. The world needs to know !!!

While you're at it, could you pick up my $10,000,000 lottery prize in Nigeria?

No matter how many courts rule on this, some will use it to try to prove that the "uppitty" one isn't legit. It won't work but it will be one thing followed by another. But they aren't racists right?

At least 9 cases thrown out besides this one.
Alan Keyes tried it.

The NJ Court threw this one out.
Souter threw out the first try to get it before The SCOTUS.
Not content, Donofrio goes to. . .

Thomas.

Thomas schedules it for the full Court to review. I wonder how the full Court will enjoy this little diversion?

What an embarrassment.

hey, you people better tell this stuff to my former boss, Gen Jim Jones, a Republican, he was Commandant USMC. As a Marine I know a lot about this Great American Hero. He has clearly stated that he trusts and will serve Obama and the United States of America, as did Gates. So you better tell him and Gates about this. They actually said they would be proud to serve Obama and USA, so get cracking! We all know Obama was born on Krypton, and is son of Jo-Ral, he admitted that. There are many American officials that need to be privy to this conspiracy you intelligent people have uncovered, there's Luger, Hagel, Powell, Rice, 48 state Governors that cheered Obama at a recent conference. You gotta tell them too. Then we need to charge state of Hawaii for participating in this scam, after all didn't they produce that fake death certificate for Elvis (Elvis living on Maui with BigFoot).

As for me, I, like Gen Jones, intend to support Obama and his newly selected cabinet and fully agree with what those Governors said about and to Obama at their conference.

Those of you that hate that caricature of Obama created by nut jobs can leave the country.

Recall that lady saying Obama was an Arab, McCain corrected her , :..no he isn't". After the rally a newsperson interviewed that lady and found that McCain wasted his time trying to correct an idiot. You will get the same results trying to correct the "born in Kenya" crowd. These people are really suckers

"What an embarrassment."

Posted by YAV

Just in:

The Vogons have postponed obliterating Earth simply because it's so entertaining.

Well not really a document expert but I do have a Hawaii birth certificate and mine looks just like Obama's.

When I got married I ordered a copy of my Birth Certificate and it was exactly like Obama's that he first posted. In fact were I to run for president I suspect I would have even worse problems than Obama since I was adopted and you can see where they changed parents name to reflect my adopted parents. I'm sure someone would try and make an issue out of that.

Just saying until you know what a Hawaii Birth Certificate is suposed to look like how can you claim this one is a fake?

While you're at it, could you pick up my $10,000,000 lottery prize in Nigeria?

~AU

FF fer AU!

Spud's take on the whole "Obama aint an American" and similar tales of madness from the far out right is that they are in the process of going through the "7 stages of Grief" and are, apparently, still stuck on the first one.

Denial.

Peace.

Be Well.

/Did ya get Spud's return email?

The Vogons have postponed obliterating Earth simply because it's so entertaining.

That got me chuckling. Much appreciated.

Did ya get Spud's return email?

Si

"That got me chuckling. Much appreciated."

Posted by YAV

Life is short.
I'll be here all week.
Try the veal.

It's simple. All Obama has to do is spend $20 and request from Hawaii an embossed, CERTIFIED COPY of his real Birth Certificate. Not a copy of Hawaii's "Certificate of Live Birth" (which is not the same thing and does not show actual place of birth) but an embossed, CERTIFIED copy of his real Birth Certificate signed by the Hawaiian state officials who handle these matters.

Hawaiian law states an embossed certified copy of his birth certificate can ONLY be given either to Obama or to his family members -- no one else can request it.

Why is Obama wasting our Supreme Court's time, and everyone else's time, with this issue when Obama could put the matter to rest in two seconds? The longer Obama lets this issue drag on the more suspicion is aroused and the more rumors can build up.

If Obama was born IN the State of Hawaii, then I can't understand the reasoning behind his hesitating to do so. I wondered back when this issue first reared its head why Obama and the officials in his campaign didn't get this matter taken care of back then.

To waste valuable Supreme Court time to deliberate this matter when Obama could easily prove his actual PLACE of birth is not a good way to start off his Presidency.

I voted for Obama and want him to be found legally eligible under our U.S. Constitution to able to hold office as the President of the U.S.. But he ought to quit dancing around the issue and produce the real embossed, certified copy of his birth certificate for all to see -- no just some online digital copy.

I don't get what the holdup is all about.

"If Obama were born outside the U.S., do you believe the Supremes should at this point declare him ineligible to serve as president and repudiate his election? Wouldn't the consequences of that act be intensely damaging to the country at a time of great national crisis?"

Courts are supposed to rule based on the laws of the United States, without regard for what the results of the case may be. The supposed consequences of turning the 2004 election the other way was not the basis for their ruling. Commenting within the ruling about what the particular results may be, while probably irresistible for some justices, is always accompanied by a proper legal analysis.

That said, I don't think there is any basis for these lawsuits, mostly because I don't think anyone could get this far without that sort of thing being "checked out." I also read Philip Berg's complaint which was laughable, citing wikipedia and "books he has read," etc. So, no.

Chris, what if there isn't a birth certificate (playing devil's advocate here)? He could have still been born in the US; the absence of a birth certificate is not proof he was born elsewhere.

"Why is Obama wasting our Supreme Court's time, and everyone else's time, with this issue when Obama could put the matter to rest in two seconds? The longer Obama lets this issue drag on the more suspicion is aroused and the more rumors can build up."

My guess is that he was hoping for some prominent Republicans to latch onto it so he could make them look stupid.

"I don't get what the holdup is all about."
you don't keep up do you, his emossed BC authenticated by factcheck, and for those that don't like factcheck, it was also aauthenticated by World Net Daily

quote from WND article:
A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

Again, whatever was good enough for the FBI when doing a background check on Obama before he was sworn in as a Senator and then given a Top Secret clearance should be good enough for any idiot who questions it.

Also, when filing to be a candidate for President with the Federal Election Commision, you have to prove you are a natural born citizen in order to get on a ballot in any state.

I wouldn't post my original birth certificate online for any amount of money.

The Hawaiian Secretary of State has seen all the proof she needed to certify Obama was born in Hawaii.

Guess idiots have to have something to keep them busy.

World Nut Daily? Fuck, you could have just said Barbara Steisand verified it. Douche.

I look forward to the day when America is at civil war and we can once and for all purge the undesiribles that are destorying this great nation.

Me too. I'm suggesting Idaho for all the Rushbots

The NeoCons have done a good job destroying the economy, 40,000 American soldiers and 1,000,000 Iraqis lives.

Good riddance when you all decide to leave the rest of us what's left of America and go hunt elk

When filing to be a candidate for President with the Federal Election Commision, you have to prove you are a natural born citizen in order to get on the ballot in any state.

Duh

"World Nut Daily? Fuck, you could have just said Barbara Steisand verified it. Douche."

amazing, huh, they took it off quickly though, their wingnut readers complained too much. Good ol' Christians!

SCOTUS only gets to steal one election. Sorry bushies.

If Obama were born outside the U.S., do you believe the Supremes should at this point declare him ineligible to serve as president and repudiate his election?

Yup-since its pretty well laid out in the Constitution. But, given the certificate has already been verified, this makes the 2000 chad counters valid.

some folks just don't cotton to the idea of a colored President. Since McLost was a foreign born kinda guy, does that mean Nader wins by default?

in talking to a "Elvis is Alive" believer I realized that's the same kind of person that believes Obama was born in Kenya, no proof will ever convince the deluded. So posting logical or true statements on this is a waste of time. They are even deluded as what the Supreme Court is doing on this, mainly because of misleading statements by Berg & Martn & Donofrio. Berg said "...Obama must respond to the court by Dec 1", that was bull pupu, see rule 11 at Supreme Court site, the respondants waived any response (i.e. they didn't and won't respond) Berg said that to get funds from suckers.

How far will this delusion go? Dec 15 Obama's electors vote and on Jan 20th Obama is sworn in.
I'm sure the deluded will continue their brain farts!

some folks just don't cotton to the idea of a colored President.

*sigh*

Just a taste of what we will get to put up for the next four years. If someone says anything negative about Obama, that person just don't cotton to a colored presdent.

When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?

When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?

#49 | Posted by goatman

That came from one of his followers. No foul according to the lefty playbook of political correctness. I'd be banned permanently, however.

*sigh*

Just a taste of what we will get to put up for the next four years. If someone says anything negative about Obama, that person just don't cotton to a colored presdent.

When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?

#49 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-04 10:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

After 7 years of being called a traitor when disagreeing with bush policies, I'm tempted to tell you to just suck it up.

However, you're right. It isn't fair for legitimate criticisms to be met with such malice and bullshit.

And goatman:

The certificate thing is a crock. Thats why race is being brought into it, this is so obviously a desperate attempt to derail a presidency before its even begun.

Frankly, i see it as more of a partisan issue, than one of race, but that view doesn't surprise me either.

Why is Obama wasting our Supreme Court's time, and everyone else's time, with this issue when Obama could put the matter to rest in two seconds? The longer Obama lets this issue drag on the more suspicion is aroused and the more rumors can build up.

#35 | Posted by CalifChris

Obama is not wasting anybody's time. Those bringing the frivolous lawsuits are doing that. I suspect the reason he has ignored these suits has more to do with precedent than anything else. Responding to them lends them credence, which in turn could open the floodgates for myriad such silly suits against public figures.

Other points to note:

First - Had the Obamas actually been in Kenya when Barack was born they could not have brought him right back to the US. When only 1 parent is a US citizen, there is considerable paperwork, including getting the baby a passport, required to bring it back into the country.

Second - In Indonesia you don't get citizenship by being adopted by and Indonesian citizen. There is also a lengthy naturalization process required. There is record of neither, in the Obama/Soetoro family.

Frankly, i see it as more of a partisan issue, than one of race,

Me, too. That was my (not too well made) point.

"When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?"
I believe that poster agrees with you, but the "Obama born in Kenya" idiots appear in their comments to be racists, then they hit "you gotta honor the constituion" having never actually read it.

latest Gallup polls show 78% suport and trust in Obama and his cabinet selections so far, so the race issue is being left behind, that's good news. my former boss, Marine Commandant Gen Jim Jones says he will give 100% support to Obama. As a Marine I would give 900% support to Jim Jones, a Republican!

Rasmussen polls close to Gallup
as a side note my Marine outfit was VMA224
(US Marine Air Wing)

... Marine Commandant Gen Jim Jones says he will give 100% support to Obama.

I certainly hope so! He raised his right hand and took an oath saying he would.

Shhhh SanAntonioRogue, mustn't use logic and Immigration rules...not allowed with the Wingnuts...

When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?

#49 | Posted by goatman

Ask this guy....

For the idiot that said Obongo's mom and the baby daddy were in school at the time of his birth so they wouldn't just wander off to Africa in the middle of a school year....Obongo Jr was born in early August and school was not in session.
#41 | Posted by NonPCPerson

When idiots like that stop making racist comments, then others can be sure that opinions are not based on race.

From the article--

Many petitioners seeking stays of pending events have their cases distributed to the full court, he said. Of those, Volokh found that 782 were denied in the last eight years while just 60 were heard and not all of those ultimately were successful.
---------
Less than 10% get heard-It is highly unlikely that this case will be heard.

The link to the case only shows the top part of the page?

So this is like the 17th friggin thread for this birth certifcate issue?

I hope the SCOTUS stops the madness--one way or another.

The certificate has been authenticated--by all accounts.

The question is the trip to Indonesia and renouncing citizenship. In order to attend Jakarta's schools you have to be a citizen of Indonesia and thus renouncing or giving up US citizenship.

If That is the question in this lawsuit the SCOTUS may hear the case.

Just don't see it happening. HI confirms the certificate--and crazy statements from family --in the media--could not overturn HI state officials.

I'm asking everyone, TFD.

The question is the trip to Indonesia and renouncing citizenship. In order to attend Jakarta's schools you have to be a citizen of Indonesia and thus renouncing or giving up US citizenship.

I think I addressed that above. And citizenship was and is not required to attend school in Indonesia, at least not according to my mother-in-law who taught school there since the mid-60's.

Murphy-
re:" The question is the trip to Indonesia and renouncing citizenship."

You guys go! And please also trot Sarah! up in 2012.

Thanks.

Don't worry...
Sarah! will trot her herself up in 2012, asked or no.

Tell me more, SAM. Talk more about how the nativist nutcases of the country will nominate Sarah Palin to run against Obama in 2012, much to the disappointment and woe of anyone with both a brain and a care for the future of the Republican Party...

It's so soothing....

Murphy...please tell me more. I must have both of you at once!!

(LOL)

Since it makes no sense to the left, why do you suppose obama is holding back showing his real birth records, the one that was posted on his website was looked at by an expert and he said it was a forgery, I have my birth certificate here at my home, why does he not just have the real long birth form posted on the website and be done with it, he has to date spent about 5 million just fighting this, does it make sense?
On the other hand if he is a fraud and later on we find out he is a fraud and a liar, we know he is a liar but if we find out he is a fraud, everything he has done up to that point becomes invalid.
I believe the man is lying, I would have posted my birth record in a heart beat, what possible damage could this do to anyone?

Oh dear.

"First - Had the Obamas actually been in Kenya when Barack was born they could not have brought him right back to the US. When only 1 parent is a US citizen, there is considerable paperwork, including getting the baby a passport, required to bring it back into the country."

my daughter was born in Japan, I am an American my spouse is not, it was very difficult to get her back to US, took 3 months and lots of paper (big paper trail), that was in 1965, I'm sure Obama would have same problems in 1961.

stange though, many searched for evidence of Kenyan to Hawaii flight, they also searched passport info, then gave up. Hey, how did those birth notices appear in Hawaii, was it by time machine, because both papers require gov proof for printing these, another conspiracy!

Why do you think Vince Foster had to die?

BUSHTWICE
"expert and he said it was a forgery"
so who is this expert and why is he a secret
check this link from the people that hate Obama:

quote from WND article:
A separate WND investigation into Obama's birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.

Ok --so went searching--

Here--

Today, the United States Supreme Court scheduled the case - Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey - US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407 - for a conference of the nine Justices.

If four of the nine Justices vote to hear the case in full review, oral argument may be ordered. The conference is scheduled for December 5, 2008, ten days before the meeting of the Electoral College.

The case originally sought, pre-election, to have the names of Barack Obama, John McCain, and Roger Calero removed from New Jersey ballots, and for a stay of the "national election" pending Supreme Court review of whether those candidates were eligible under the Constitution as natural born Citizens, as is required by Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States.

Leo Donofrio brought his case from a lower New Jersey court to the NJ Supreme Court - was denied - and then he filed an emergency stay application in the United States Supreme Court on Nov. 3, 2008, before the Honorable Associate Justice David Souter. Justice Souter denied the emergency stay application on Nov. 6.

Leo Donofrio renewed the application, as per Supreme Court Rule 22.4, to the Honorable Associate Justice Clarence Thomas by way of Express mail on Nov. 14. The application arrived at the Supreme Court on Nov. 17 and was submitted directly to Justice Thomas.

On Nov. 19, the case was docketed for full conference of all nine Justices and scheduled for December 5, 2008. It is not known at this time the exact details of how the case came to be "DISTRIBUTED for Conference".

Here--?

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

It's nice to see the rightwingers are the ones being the fucking nutcases again. This last year between accusing Hillary of killing Vince Foster and Palin of... well damned near everything.. the Republicans were looking downright _sane_.

It's good to get back to the status quo.

"Since it makes no sense to the left, why do you suppose obama is holding back showing his real birth records, the one that was posted on his website was looked at by an expert and he said it was a forgery,"

Asked and answered over and over and over again.

But just to add to what VMA posted, I give you this (for the 1,347th time)

"I believe the man (Obama) is a liar...."

That the less sane among the right-wing were forging forgeries of that famous certificate has been known for months.

You guys really needed to lose.

It is not known at this time the exact details of how the case came to be "DISTRIBUTED for Conference".

#70 | Posted by MURPHY

I saw where someone posted that you claimed to be a lawyer. Then you should know exactly how that works, right?

So on the Donofrio suit --

The guy is claiming that since Obama was born tro Obama Sr. --even in HI--he is considered a British citizen and/or dual citizenship and disqualifies Obama to be POTUS.

And the reason for no attorneys on the Donofrio suit is because he is a an attorney himself.

And if Clarence gets the nod by four justices--they will hear the case.

San--I have never claimed to be a lawyer--Reagan purported--he thought I was--I straightened him out. 'o)

The Constitution states "natural born" if I'm not mistaken. Doesn't say anything about who your damned father was.

You people really needed to lose.

Here from the blog text site

Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens". Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;

That's it right there. (Emphasis added.)

The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn't want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.

The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as "natural born Citizens", so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.

But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.

The Framers distinguished between "natural born Citizens" and all other "Citizens". And that's why it's important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of "Citizen", not "natural born Citizen". The Framers were Citizens, but they weren't natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document.

Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born Citizen" of the United States.

"Born undere the jurisdiction of foreign powers...."

You're applying this to Obama? Now be honest, you can't see how silly this all looks?

Hey I have been saying this was a crazy issue from the first time it was posted--16 threads ago.

I don't understand why the SCOTUS would even consider looking at this--so I am searching around and posting for folks to read themselves.

I dont know why they are ignoring the mother--Ann was US citizen--right?

Like Zed posted above--it wouldn't matter what the father was if one parent is a US citizen.

Let me phrase this a bit differently---The "jurisdiction" asserted exists only in your mind.

Sorry, Murphy---I obviously didn't understand where you were going with this. My apologies.

Whether or not the claim is specious, the fact is that there are Constitutional requirements. The fact that the legal system operates to prevent anyone from having the standing to challenge the authenticity of eligibility is a shortcoming of the system. Some law should be enacted requiring documentation to be presented to establish eligibility, regardless of what is required.

Barack Obama's official web site, Fight The Smears, admits he was a British Citizen at birth. At the very bottom of the section of his web site that shows an alleged official Certification Of Live Birth, the web site lists the following information and link thereto:

FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack's Citizenship

"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom's dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982."

That is a direct admission Barack Obama was a British citizen "at birth".

My law suit argues that since Obama had dual citizenship "at birth" and therefore split loyalties "at birth", he is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States. A "natural born citizen" would have no other jurisdiction over him "at birth" other than that of the United States. The Framers chose the words "natural born" and those words cannot be ignored. The status referred to in Article 2, Section 1, "natural born citizen", pertains to the status of the person's citizenship "at birth".

The other numerous law suits circling Obama to question his eligibility fail to hit the mark on this issue. Since Obama was, "at birth", a British citizen, it is completely irrelevant, as to the issue of Constitutional "natural born citizen" status, whether Obama was born in Hawaii or abroad. Either way, he is not eligible to be President. Should Obama produce an original birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii, it will not change the fact that Obama was a British citizen "at birth".

Obama has admitted to being a British subject "at birth". And as will be made perfectly clear below, his being subject to British jurisdiction "at birth" bars him from being eligible to be President of the United States.

As I have argued before the United States Supreme Court, the 14th Amendment does not confer "natural born citizen" status anywhere in its text. It simply states that a person born in the United States is a "Citizen", and only if he is "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States.

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States:

"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

The most overlooked words in that section are: "...or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution..." You must recall that most, if not all, of the framers of the Constitution were, at birth, born as British subjects.

Some law should be enacted requiring documentation to be presented to establish eligibility, regardless of what is required.

You wanna try that again?

And the guy thinks that Mccain is not elegible for POTUS either..

The Framers recognized that even they were not "natural born citizens" and so they wrote the grandfather clause in to allow any of them to become President. But the grandfather clause only pertains to those who were Citizens at the time of the Constitution's adoption. And so, Barack Obama is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States and neither is John McCain who was born in Panama, and neither is Roger Calero who was born in Nicaragua.

I don't see it--don't see this going anywhere--Obama has a HI birth certificate and all this British stuff is a non issue. Appears to me anyway.

"And the reason for no attorneys on the Donofrio suit is because he is a an attorney himself."

it clearly states Attorneys for Petitioner:
Leo C. Donofrio but no respndant attorneys

the question was about respondants attorneys, NJ or Obama, why are they not listed?

San--I have never claimed to be a lawyer--Reagan purported--he thought I was--I straightened him out. 'o)

#77 | Posted by MURPHY

Thanks for the 411.

And the reason for no attorneys on the Donofrio suit is because he is a an attorney himself

Is this an "Edgar suit"?

(free year subscription to the DR to whoever gets the joke)

Is this an "Edgar suit"?

"Edgar, your skin is hangin off your bones."

Edgar, your skin is hangin off your bones."

And Edgar was played by Vincent Donofrio

*ding ding ding*

We have a winner!

Sounds crazy yes, but then I sort of thought in 2000 they completely lost any claim of legitimate ... blah, blah, blah

#11 | Posted by danni at 2008-12-04 07:13 PM | Reply

Get over it already.

Do you still bitch at your ex-husband for drinking out of the milk carton 20 years ago?

Besides, Gore was the one who dragged it into court first.

"What is your major malfunction numbnuts?! didn't mommy and daddy give you enough attention when you were a child!"

MURPHY

"San--I have never claimed to be a lawyer--Reagan purported--he thought I was--I straightened him out. 'o)

#77 | Posted by MURPHY"

Thanks for the 411.

#90 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-04 11:44 PM

I thought were a lawyer too, and in fact mentioned it on the Wal-Mart lawsuit thread last night in post to you. You didn't see it, I guess, as you never came back ON the thread. May have been where SAR thought the same thing.

I guess I figured you as being a lawyer 'cause I seem to remember you saying recently were going to an arbitration? (or mediation?) hearing and just from general gist of conversations I was under the impression you were a lawyer involved in insurance claims, or similar type of law.

MURPHY

My post to you over on the Wal-Mart thread started out saying "As a lawyer you...." and it sure shook HillbillyDeluxe down to his toes when he read it! You can read his post over there.

here's an interesting tidbit, on another blog someone asked "what if Supreme Court" certified Obama as natual born, the first response, "we will organize a massive rally in front of the courthouse", Wow, how can 6 people be a massive rally?

sorry, that link to Supreme Court was:

Why do you think Vince Foster had to die?

#68 | Posted by Jay

I'm reading former FBI director Louis Freeh's autobiography.

He was friends with both Foster and his boss, White House Counsel Bernard Nussbaum.

Foster committed suicide. Freeh was head of the FBI when it happened. He and the FBI looked into it because Foster was a WH employee, and as I mentioned a friend of Foster's boss, Bernard Nussbaum. He says all the talk about Foster being murdered is balderdash.

Freeh is a straight shooter, and a Republican. When he graduated from Rutgers he tried desperately to get into West Point - at the height of antiwar protests that regularly shut down the campus.

BTW, Freeh's book is a great read.

Obama supporters have derided attempts to challenge Obama's citizenship as merely sour grapes by sore losers, and they point to the website FactChect.org, as well as a statement by Hawaii's Department of Health Director who said Obama has a legitimate birth certificate, as proof of their rightness. (Various quotes by Obama's supporters also make it clear that they don't care whether or not he was born in the United States, or whether or not the Constitution is upheld.)

Those pressing the issue note that FactCheck.org is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center and that Obama was on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did not state that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii. In fact, what Obama has given to FactCheck.org to prove his citizenship is not a birth certificate, but a certificate of live birth, something that would not ordinarily be accepted as legal proof of citizenship. Also, it is suspicious that no doctors or nurses have come forward and said that they were at Obama's birth in Hawaii, but Obama's grandmother in Kenya has been taped saying that she was at his birth in Kenya.

Is Obama hiding something? Most likely yes. A person just doesn't spend something on the order of hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep one's birth records a secret unless one has something to hide. I personally have had to provide my birth certificate to several employers before they would agree to hire me. For a normal person, showing one's birth certificate is not a big deal. I've also had to give out my college records again, not a big deal.

But that leads to important questions: should this be pursued, and will it succeed?

Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper. Will it succeed? In my opinion, no. Neither the Supreme Court, nor the electors who will soon cast their votes for president, are impartial bodies. But that is not an argument for not pursuing it.

BS

You just keep pursuing it for the next four or eight years.

It'll keep you occupied.

#102 | Posted by TheOneBS

Let me know how things turn out on that perpetual motion machine thingy, okay? Like, maybe, in 2382 or early 2383 at the latest, right? Thanks.

PS: Then you can get to work on explaining how the US Constitution was improperly created and is therefore not in effect. And don't forget the unconstitutionality of the federal income tax. If you run across Adolf Hitler or the Lindbergh baby, turn them both in. There are probably still rewards outstanding.

"Foster committed suicide"

classic cia hit...

Freeh ride: in his memoirs, the former FBI director tries to explain away the disasters on his watch.

If you run across Adolf Hitler or the Lindbergh baby, turn them both in. There are probably still rewards outstanding.

#104 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

like for Bin Laden?:>)

(Now Dead) Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered

"Yes, it should be pursued because to ignore it is to say that the Constitution is no longer the law of the land and is instead just an old piece of paper"

yes, you need to sue State of Hawaii for sending fake BC to Obama, also file charges against US State Dept for issuing passport, that too violates constition

also file charges against THEONEBS's favotite news source, World Net Daily, as they too found Obama's BC not a forgery.

but what should we do about that time machine, the one used to go back and get Obama's birth notices in 2 Hawai newspapers, they need proof, violates the constitution

THEONEBS should be prosecuted, for he too violated the constitution, doesn't the constitution ban stupidity?

as for Obama's birth certificate...it's really funny that superbady Obama flew in from Africa to get his birth announcement in the Honululu Advertiser & Honululu Star that day as well:>)LOL

They note also that Hawaiian Health Department officials did not state that Obama has an original birth certificate from Hawaii.

#102 | Posted by TheOneBS

Hopelessly behind the curve yet again. Poor old Theo.

"Also in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified the existence of Barack Obama's original birth certificate:

State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino says she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino says that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other.

She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest in it."

www.snopes.com

I know of a woman who was born in a certain city, born when the family was in the middle of a family move. Yet, the woman's mother had her birth announced in the newspaper of the city to which the family was moving.

Interesting, a birth announcement in a city that was not the city of original birth.

And Rogue, there is tangible interest. And clearly Mr. Messiah knows this and could end all of this right now. Yet thousands and thouands of dollars have been spent to keep it under raps.

Things that make you go "Hmmmmmmmm!"

"Yet thousands and thouands of dollars have been spent to keep it under raps."

"I know of a woman who was born in a certain city, born when the family was in the middle of a family move. Yet, the woman's mother had her birth announced in the newspaper of the city to which the family was moving."

I don't know how things work currently now that many newspapers charge to have announcements printed, but in the good old days you didn't put in birth or death announcements - the newspapers took them from public records. And if you look at the copies from the Honolulu papers, you can see they are from the "Vital Statistics" section.

"Interesting, a birth announcement in a city that was not the city of original birth."

Since 1952 the Honolulu Advertisor has stated "IMPORTANT: You must attach a photocopy of your baby's official state-issued birth certificate; we cannot print your announcement without it."

So where is it VMA? Where is the birth certificate?

A certificate of live birth is not a birth certificate. Where is the birth certificate?

The so-called "on line photocopy" is NOT a birth certificate.

So where is it VMA? Where is the birth certificate?

#115 | Posted by TheOneBS

Can you read? It is right where it is supposed to be.

"Also in October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified the existence of Barack Obama's original birth certificate:

State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino says she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate."

Why is Obama wasting our Supreme Court's time, and everyone else's time, with this issue when Obama could put the matter to rest in two seconds?

Logically, it doesn't make any sense for Obama to take action here. He's either (a) born in Hawaii and knows it, so he doesn't care how long the Birthers rant about this, or (b) trying to pull off one of the biggest crimes in U.S. history, so he doesn't want to give the story any legitimacy.

Personally, I think this crazy allegation should completely be put to rest by the fact his birth was announced in a Hawaii newspaper on Aug. 13, 1961:

thebruceblog.wordpress.com

#117 | Posted by rcade

"It (the birth announcement) has never been posted online in spite of the extensive controversy over Obama's birth certificate."

Actually its been on factcheck.org for some time now.

born in Hawaii and knows it

Of course he was. Everything is in order. There is not a shred of evidence otherwise.

If one's political enemies are focused on hunting invisible foxes, why stop them?

Friday Dec. 5, 2008, today is the big day that the wingnuts been waiting for, US Supreme Court to demand Obama's proof of birth. though this will not happen, they so excited about this that I worry for their health when they feel the disappointment that is surely coming in the Donofrio Docket. Now what do you think they will do next? anybody want to guess?

(b) trying to pull off one of the biggest crimes in U.S. history, so he doesn't want to give the story any legitimacy.

#117 | Posted by rcade

personally I'm going ever hopefully for the superbaby ~ to future godfather of the NWO manifesto scenario...aka 666

party on theoneidiot:>)

of course Obama could be a walkin...

that should could mess things up...I mean, how does one keep walkins from voting in US elections?

These guys are the Republican version of community organizers. Although, if Alan Keyes is invovled the case must have merit. Or should I say demerit.
Thank God Obama didn't benefit from Affirmative Action. If he had Clarence Thomas would be very motivated to hear this case.

"When will American wake up and leave racism behind them?"

Wait a second. This is a law suit that was brought forth by Alan Keyes, is it not? Keyes is black.

I'd like to know WTF those who are bringing this action hope to accomplish.

Lemmesee here:

1) Get Obama's birth certificate ruled invalid.

2) Hand election over to John McCain and Sarah Palin.

3) Plunge United States into outright depression and civil war.

Sounds like a righty plan.

go keyes, go! nail the superbaby 666!

"Interesting, a birth announcement in a city that was not the city of original birth."

Well, that's that. Case closed! End of story! Game over!

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, these Birthers, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

"So where is it VMA? Where is the birth certificate?"

Well, that's that. Case closed! End of story! Game over!

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, these Birthers, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

Will go nowhere because he is black and supported by all the black idiots in America. And maybe they will be the first to suffer under this MUSLIM WHACKJOB

I think they should hear the case. Not just to have the accusers prove their case, but SCOTUS could make the State's authentication of Birth proof of eligiblity for office.

Once SCOTUS does this, lower courts can point to this one and shut down the lawsuits.

And, if this is just a big phony legal fight, SCOTUS can bar them from coming before them again, threaten sanctions, and let the BAR deal with them.

"MUSLIM WHACKJOB"

So let me get this straight...

Obama attended Rev. Wright's Christian Church for 20 years, and that proves he's a Muslim...

...and McCain never goes to church, which proves he's a Christian.

Have I got that right?

Contrary to what all you believe, the person driving this is a Democrat. You can't give the republicans the blame on this. However, the premise is not based on his birth certificate. It evolves around whether or not he's still considered a citizen after he was dragged off to Malaysia. At the time, there was no such thing as a dual citizenship. If that is true then when he left for Malaysia, did he forfeit his citizenship? If that was the case and he had to reapply for citizenship then the question is if he can still claim his citizenship according to the constitution. If he had to reapply for his citizenship then some say it would negate his natural born citizenship status.

Again, I haven't touched on that, just did a little research on it. I haven't even taken an opinion on it one way or the other. Although these questions should have been asked back when he was running for office not after he has been elected. The time to ask these questions were back when he submitted his papers for entry into the election race.

Lonnie

Indonesia, Lonnie, Indonesia.

And you don't lose your citizenship by moving to another country. You lose it by either renouncing it, or being involved in certain illegal activities such as taking up arms against your country.

FF Sanantoni

Theonebs...wow...I never guessed The-One-BS...I honestly thought it was Theodore Nebs, like it was somebody's name.

OK, just for your Birthers out there, here's your moment of Zen...

Hmmm... sounds about right:

But according to several experts in conspiracy theories, and in the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories, there's little chance those people who think Obama is barred from the presidency will ever be convinced otherwise. "There's no amount of evidence or data that will change somebody's mind," says Michael Shermer, who is the publisher of Skeptic magazine and a columnist for Scientific American, and who holds an undergraduate and a master's degree in psychology. "The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."

Any inconvenient facts are irrelevant. People who believe in a conspiracy theory "develop a selective perception, their mind refuses to accept contrary evidence," Chip Berlet, a senior analyst with Political Research Associates who studies such theories, says. "As soon as you criticize a conspiracy theory, you become part of the conspiracy."

Evan Harrington, a social psychologist who is an associate professor at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology, agrees. "One of the tendencies of the conspiracy notion, the whole appeal, is that a lot of the information the believer has is secret or special," Harrington says. "The real evidence is out there, [and] you can give them all this evidence, but they'll have convenient ways to discredit [it]."

Whatever can't be ignored can be twisted to fit into the narrative; every new disclosure of something that should, by rights, end the controversy only opens up new questions, identifies new plotters.

"The more data you present a person, the more they doubt it... Once you're committed, especially behaviorally committed or financially committed, the more impossible it becomes to change your mind."

~SAR

If anyone doubts this claim just turn on "Coast to Coast with George Noory' on any given evening and listen fer yerselves fer proof.

/Do stop after about 15 minutes before permanent brain loss sets in.

Be Well.

Edgar, your skin is hangin off your bones."

And Edgar was played by Vincent Donofrio

*ding ding ding*

We have a winner!

#93 | Posted by goatman

And the movie was Men in Black...

Rcade calls them the "Birthers"--priceless--lol

Ok, the 15 protesters who wandered by for a few minutes.

#137 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Are you sure there are even 15?

This lawsuit does not take into the account the mother--so all this ballyhoo over dual citizenship of the father is weird.

(That is a legal technical term--weird).

"Are you sure there are even 15?"

I only counted 14 in the photo, but I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. ; )

The courts will give obama a pass, Imagine the headlines "DNC ran a foreigner and got away with it"
The court will give obama an OJ free pass,

To a rat the constitution means nothing.

#144 | Posted by bushtwice

I cordially invite to you read my #138 and then contemplate your navel for a while.

I only counted 14 in the photo, but I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. ; )
#143 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

You forgot the guy behind the camera. *Presto* 15!

"I believe the man is lying, I would have posted my birth record in a heart beat, what possible damage could this do to anyone?"

There you have it! Belief that a politician is "lying." Well, I'm sure that will just convince EVERYONE.

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, these Birthers like bushtwice, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after bushtwice and the others have slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

"The court will give obama an OJ free pass,"

"Are you sure there are even 15?"

I only counted 14 in the photo, but I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. ; )

#143 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

One of them is scziophrenic

"Birthers" think someone can register with the Federal Election Commission and get on the ballot as a Presidential candidate without having proven they're a natural born citizen and eligible?

Funny. Love that term too, "Birthers". Same number of letters as "Blather"

"Contrary to what all you believe, the person driving this is a Democrat"

Donofrio is not a Democrat, you referring to Berg who claims he is a Democrat and wants Hillary in, and every court he put this stuff in threw it out. Berg's case is toast! The Dec 5th conference may or may not discus Donofrio vs. New Jersey

the vast majority of believers in this crap are wingnuts that continually spout "driving this is a Democrat", makes them feel good!

revision: make that ignorant wingnuts, OK?
minor note: the conference in Supreme Court is for a case that was dismissed, but idiots are pinning their hopes on an irrational believe the court will ban Obama. Yah sure, really dumb huh?

I just watched the CNN piece on this appeal to the SCOTUS.

The issue at hand (as they tell it) is not that Obama was born in Kenya, but that his father had British citizenship due to the fact Kenya was still a British colony in 1961. Thus, Obama would have had dual citizenship.

However, that dual citizenship expired when he turned 21.

The "He was born in Kenya" argument must have come from one of the fringe websites in relation to any of the plethora of other frivolous lawsuits trying to overturn a fair election by the voters of America by any means necessary.

It's up on their website right now.

I don't care where Barack Obama was born...This man has brains,intelligence, and a sense of decency that this country desperately needs. After 8 years of a patholgically lying childlike mentality fucking idiot who has sent America to new lows in every catagory from our economy to human rights to how America is now perceived by the rest of the world as a bunch of imperialist, money grubbing, power happy, war mongering jackasses....we should be kissing Barrack Obamas ass and begging him to be our President.

US True and Blue. There is a thing called the US Constitution that states that a person running for office of the president must be a natural born citizen.

You can say he is a great choice, you can worship the ground he walks on...but this country was founded on the principles that NO ONE is above the law.

We have seen that principle ignored by our current representitives in the form of allowing ILLEGAL (defined as not legal) aliens into this country to the detriment of our healthcare, schools and employment.

We cannot be a country that requires our citizens to obey the laws IF we turn on heads to ignore a president-elect that does not qualify under the law.

We need to establish a separate group under the supreme court to certify the validity of Obama or anyone else.

If we do not hold the law to be sacrosanct - then the documents like "the Bill of Rights" are not binding either.

Donofrio wasn't announced today as one of the two cases the court decided to take.

"We need to establish a separate group under the supreme court to certify the validity of Obama or anyone else."

Yeah! Certify his validity!!! Yeah!

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, these Birthers, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

Donofrio wasn't announced today as one of the two cases the court decided to take.

#154 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

ff

There is a thing called the US Constitution that states that a person running for office of the president must be a natural born citizen.

FOSHAFFER

There's this little thing called the Federal Election Commission who certify a Presidential candidate is a natural born American citizen before they're allowed to be on a ballot.

It's really funny how these disparate groups can't agree on their argument. Some claim he was born in Kenya, some claim he was born in Hawaii but 'dual citizenship' precludes him from office (which would have expired when he was 21), while others claim his move to Indonesia when he was 5 meant he renounced his U.S. citizenship.

All laughable in light of paragraph 1.

Some hate him because he's Democrat, others hate him because his skin is brown. What a country!

"US True and Blue. There is a thing called the US Constitution that states that a person running for office of the president must be a natural born citizen."

since Obama is a natural born citizen, what's your problem
so as far as you are concerned, we now we have to include Supreme Court among those that violate the constitution, WOW!

If it's any comfort, the Cult of the Live Birth is also giving major Red State blogs fits.

These Cultists are dismayed by nothing. Even evidence they've been faking evidence is shrugged off.

WASHINGTON, Dec. 5 (UPI) -- The U.S. Supreme Court announced it would consider two cases Friday, but a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama's citizenship wasn't one of them.

Doesn't mean they won't - a full list of cases they decide to hear will be out by Monday.

But its not looking too good, Birthers.

Why is it so difficult to produce a birth certificate? If he can't do this simple act, then how can he handle being POTUS???
Oh that's right, that is why he voted present so many times, because he can't handle such hard things.

Obama doesn't have to show YOU his birth certificate.

The problem is idiots can't get it through their head the raised stamp is on the back of Hawaiian birth certificates. Then there's the three different arguments the 'birthers' are making. Funny, funny, hilarious!!

#161 | Posted by shyeager at 2008-12-05 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Incredibly lame old talking points that have been discussed and debunked ad nauseam

here is list of all conferences to be discussed by Supreme Court on 12/05 and 12/08
SCOTUS quote "As always, the list contains the petitions on the Court's paid docket that Tom has deemed to have a reasonable chance of being granted"
conferences on December 5 and December 12.
please carefully note
NO DONOFRIO, repeat NO DONOFRIO, Got it?

State of Hawaii printed a copy of BC for Obama in 2007, which is what any state will do, my 14yr old grandson needed to get a passport this year, the BC sent to him was printed in 2008 (lazer printed)

and one of Birther's proudly states "...he posted a fake certifictae, that type style wasn't available till 1980", these people are really ignorant, but it was a good laugh!

just thought I would share a bit of humor!

Indonesia, Lonnie, Indonesia.

And you don't lose your citizenship by moving to another country. You lose it by either renouncing it, or being involved in certain illegal activities such as taking up arms against your country.

#133 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue
------------------------------
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Thanks for correcting me. I wasn't out to skew the facts.

Again, it's not me saying that. It was some Democrat raising these questions. In my opinion, he won fair and square. Although the selection of my candidate wasn't quite as fair as the election with the liberals and the moderates voting for McCain in the primaries and then voting for Obama in the General election. I wanted to vote for someone else that got left behind in the primaries.

Lonnie

revision: make that ignorant wingnuts, OK?
minor note: the conference in Supreme Court is for a case that was dismissed, but idiots are pinning their hopes on an irrational believe the court will ban Obama. Yah sure, really dumb huh?

Donfrio Docket in Supreme Court:
origin.www.supremecourtus.gov

#149 | Posted by VMA224
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Hold on there. I only knew about it because I saw a youtube video and like I said before I did not give it any credence other than what was said on the video. I've even said that I did not buy into this. I'm not pinning anything on this.

The rest of your rant, pretty much does not apply. I added my part of this based on what I'd seen and not what I hope is true. I even said I wasn't taking sides in that. What else need I have said?

Lonnie

#158 | Posted by VMA224 at 2008-12-05 06:44 PM

how many of you conspiracy nuts are aware of this site or do you just pull crap out of your ass?

Are you suggesting otherwise? What do the folks you know pull out of their asses if they're disposed to engage in such activity? Is there another product available?

Let's see, we have two piles. Pile one, material deposited by conspiracy nuts is feces. Pile two? What is it?

MR. BARACK HUSEIN OBAMA, (AKA: BARRY SOETORO)

QUIT WASTING YOUR DONOR'S MONEY TO TRY TO FEND OFF THE ENEVITIBLE..WE (THE PEOPLE)WILL NOT REST UNTIL WE HAVE COLLECTED YOUR VAULTED LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE, ADOPTION PAPERS FROM INDONESIA, ALL PASSPORTS, ALL COLLEGE RECORDS, DENOUNCEMENT PAPERS OF BRITISH AND KENYAN CITIZENSHIP...YOU KNOW THE DRILL!! JUST HAND EVERYTHING OVER TO THE COURT OR THE WE THE PEOPLE FOUNDATION ON DEC 8TH, 2008 AT WASHINGTON D.C. PRESS CONFERENCE.

IT IS SUPICIOUS TO ME THAT YOU WOULD RATHER SPEND UPWARDS OF $700,000 ON "LAW FIRMS" TO SWAT THIS ISSUE AWAY LIKE A PESCKY FLY TO SH*T, INSTEAD OF PAYING AROUND $12 FOR COPIES OF YOUR DOCUMENTS.

RESPECTFULLY, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THE PEOPLE WOULD RATHER SPEND 4 YEARS SUPPORTING YOUR EFFORTS AS PRESIDENT RATHER THAN SPEND 4 YEARS BEATING THIS ISSUE LIKE A DEAD HORSE. I AM SURE THIS IS NOT HOW YOU WANT TO BE REMEMBERED. PLEASE DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE MY INTELLIGENCE BY SAYING THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY POSTED YOUR COLB ONLINE. YOU KNOW THIS IS NOT AN AUTHENTIC ACTUAL "BIRTH CERTIFICATE", SO DO NOT YANK MY CHAIN.
I WANT MORE THAN ANYTHING TO HAVE A AFRICAN AMERICAN PRESIDENT, BUT AT THIS POINT I WOULD RATHER HAVE ALAN KEYES. AT LEAST HE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH RESPECT FOR HIS SUPPORTERS TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT THEY TOO WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER FOR AN EMPLOYER. BY THE WAY, WE ARE YOUR EMPLOYER AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT!

SINCERELY,
ANGELA R. SHIRK

(LPN, RN STUDENT, MOTHER, WIFE, OWNER OF A.R.S. REALESTATE PROPERTY SALES AND RENTALS LLC, AND A DIE HARD AMERICAN)

P.S. I WILL STAND UP NEXT TO MY FELLOW AMERICANS UNTIL THE DAY I DIE TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION...THE VERY DOCUMENT THAT YOUR FOREFATHERS AND MINE DIED TO CREATE AND PROTECT. ALSO, THE VERY DOCUMENT THAT YOU ARE EDUCATED TO PROTECT, HOWEVER I HAVE A FEELING THAT YOU STUDIED THE CONSTITUTION JUST SO YOU COUNLD SH*T ON IT.
BE A MAN!!

For all we know nurse76 you might be here illegally. Where's your birth certificate? Show me yours........You could be stealing social security, unemployment benifits, health care, etc. So where's your proof?

SINCERELY,
ANGELA R. SHIRK

WTF?!

Webspammer dot not-so-calm?

Spud to Angela R Ajerk:

STFU and go DIAF.

Thanx bunches.

Toodles.

Be Well.

/If you really luffed the Constitution so much you shoulda been calling fer Dumbya to resign or be impeached fer the last eight years and oddly enuff you weren't, so now you can go eat a turd and expire cross-eyed.
//Purty puh-lease.

Just a guess, but Angela is here because the red state blogs already bannned her.

Angela, if you aren't convincing your own people, why do you think we'll be easier? They long ago moved onto fresher conspiracy theories.

You could be stealing social security, unemployment benifits, health care, etc. So where's your proof?

Obama "could be" president? See the difference here, kenoosh? You "could be" doing the same, kenoosh. Perhaps life is better conducted outside the conditional realm, don't you think?

By the way, ANGELA, "RN Student" is not a title, and your use of it might get you in trouble with your governing board.

No, I don't see the difference. Yes, I could be doing the same but, I'm innocent until PROVEN guilty. Just like you, Angela or Obama...........Let's see the proof he wasn't born here.

I WAS BORN IN OHIO..AND SINCE I AM A NURSE I HAVE TO GIVE COPIES OF MY BC (LONG FORM), SS CARD, DRIVERS LICENSE, NURSING LICENSE, STATE & FBI FINGER PRINT CHECKS! AND I WILL VOW ON HERE AS SOON AS OBAMA SHOWS HIS DOCS TO THE COURTS I WILL HAND ANYTHING OVER THAT A COURT ASKS OF ME!! BUT EVEN THOUGH I HAVE GIVEN MY DOCS IN THE PAST..IT IS NOT A LAW THAT YOU HAVE TO BE A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" TO BE A NURSE, THOUGH IT IS A CONSTITUTIONAL LAW TO BE POTUS! OBAMA HAS SPENT OVER $700,000 IN LAW FIRMS INSTEAD OF PAYING $12 FOR COPIES OF HIS DOCS..WHAT'S HE HIDING!

No, I don't see the difference.

???

Honestly? Will I'll try to explain without sounding condescending, but it'll be hard.

Obama will be president. That is a fact. You are suggesting that someone provide documentation because of something that could be, not something that is definite.

I hope this helps.

OBAMA HAS SPENT OVER $700,000 IN LAW FIRMS INSTEAD OF PAYING $12 FOR COPIES OF HIS DOCS..WHAT'S HE HIDING!

#178 | Posted by NURSE76 at 2008-12-06 05:23 PM

Calm down honey, you'll have a stroke.

But to answer your question, as soon as he's sworn in on Jan. 20th, his first acts will be...

1. Publish his Kenyan birth certificate
2. Scrape the American Flag off of Air Force One
3. Install a minaret on top of the Washington Monument for calls to prayer
4. Issue arrest warrants for all would-be nurses who insist on tying in all upper case

"Since I am a nurse (LVN), I have to give....Etc., etc...."

All that including fingerprints? Other more sensitive professions are obligated to provide much less before they are licensed by the State.

Starting to smell, ANGELA.

NURSE

Is your left pinky finger missing? Turn off the caps!

BTW, he's shown everything he needed to to the Federal Election Commission and the FBI. You cannot get on the ballot as a POTUS candidate in a state unless and until you prove you are a natural born citizen.

Perhaps you need to raid the meds cabinet at work?

Zed - Angela is correct, at least in Ohio you have to undergo extensive background checks, including finger printing to be licensed as a nurse.

All that certainly doesn't make her any less insane, and hopefully her background checks will turn up her history of psychological disorders.

Obama has earned a great deal of respect. It is almost impossible for the Obama haters (hate filled) people to have an effect, that is already quite clear. That's why these foolish BC stories going nowhere. Obama will have the largest audience in history for his inauguration. Actually any TV show he goes on immediately gets high ratings, his 60 minutes appearance was their highest rated show in 10 years. Wingnuts don't like his popularity so they invented the Messiah stuff in an attempt to belittle him. It Didn't work as these phony BC stories aren't working either! Most people have very high hopes for Obama and on Jan 20, he becomes president Obama, and many think GREAT PRESIDENT. (yah, the Muslim terrorist, child eating socialist, anti-Christ)

speaking of inauguration, a millionaire, Earl W. Stafford, from our neck of the woods rented an entire hotel and is donating 300 rooms to average people free so they can participate in this historic event. With that kind of enthusiasm do you think the "born in Kenya" haters have any chance at all in effecting the outcome?

ANGELA has to submit a Long-Form Birth Certificate? The State of Ohio won't license an alien, then?

The State of Ohio won't license an alien, then?

#185 | Posted by Zed

My partner had to submit his passport and work visa.

Oh, I see. She states she already has a Nursing License. So, it's just that Ohio won't let aliens work?

Starting to see how this is done, ANGELA? Interesting, isn't it?

speaking of inauguration, a millionaire, Earl W. Stafford, from our neck of the woods rented an entire hotel and is donating 300 rooms to average people free so they can participate in this historic event

I read about that the other day. That was an awesome thing for him to do. He's even renting tuxedos and gowns for those who need them.

Dear goatman, I don't have a clue of what you are talking about. If you have proof that Obama is not a natural born citizen, show it Otherwise, you are just making wild accusations. He's innocent until proven guilty in my book.......

FOSHITTER:
You still have the nerve to show your cyber-face around here?

Maybe you have some more budget lies to spout off?

Ass. Fool.

"You can say he is a great choice, you can worship the ground he walks on...but this country was founded on the principles that NO ONE is above the law...
We cannot be a country that requires our citizens to obey the laws IF we turn on heads to ignore a president-elect that does not qualify under the law."
#152 | Posted by foshaffer at 2008-12-05 04:49 PM

Where was your sanctimonious attitude towards the rule of law the last eight years while Bush trampled on the "fucking piece of paper," you bastard?

You deserve to be spit on, then slapped. Hard.

If you have proof that Obama is not a natural born citizen, show it

I have no such proof. In fact, I think he is an American citizen

Otherwise, you are just making wild accusations

???

What accusation did I make? You (like many others on the DR) seem to be making an interpretation of my post that I never intended. Why? Obviously you can read, but your comprehensin skills are sorely lacking.

Obviously you can read, but your comprehensin skills are sorely lacking.
#192 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-06 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:Self-retorting

Why are you so insulting towards me? You can disagree if you want to but, please refrain from being condesending, rude and insulting to me. You don't know me well enough too........I don't believe the people who say he's not eligible for the office. You seem to stand behind Angela and what she said. What do you want from me?

Rude? I made no accusation as you said. To me, this is a clear case of lack of comprehension and I pointed that out.

Or do you want to point out my accusation that you claim I made? If so, I'll extend all apologies. If you can't, maybe you owe me more for falsely accusing me.

Deal?

Obviously you can read, but your comprehensin skills are sorely lacking.
#192 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-06 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:Self-retorting

And of course you can point out where my comprehesion was lacking in this exchange that you gratuitiously place youself in the middle of?

You can't?

Give yourself an "idiot who should MHOB" flag. LOL

"www.webspawner.com"

A Web site! With "questions"!! From a "nurse"!!! Born in Ohio!!!! Well, that's that!!!!!

Game over!!!!!!

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, these Birthers, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after these Birthers have slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

The case that was conferenced by SCOTUS on Dec 5th has nothing to do with Obama's birth certificate. The case challenges both his and McCain's Natural Born Citizen status as referenced in the US Constitution.

McCain was born in Panama, and Obama was born subject to the laws of Great Britain by virtue of his father being a British subject.

Even though the Senate passed SRS 511 to make McCain a Natural Born Citizen, the Senate does not have the authority to grant citizenship or to supersede the Constitution. The law governing US births in Panama wasn't Passed until the year after McCain was born and it wasn't retroactive.

Nether candidate is Constitutionally eligible to hold the office of POTUS.

We have been denied a valid election process since none of the major candidates were Constitutionally eligible. SCOTUS has a sworn duty to ensure this never happens again.

The vault copy in the USA, is and has always been a long document saying what hospital you were born in, mothers name, fathers name, doctors name, weight, length and signed by doctor. In 1961, Hawaii would have had the same thing as it was USA state starting in 1959. I was born in 1936 and that is the way my is. What he showed on the sites was either a register of birth from Hawaii (THEY WERE DOING THIS FOR FOREIGN BORN CHILDREN)or a made on computer birth certificate. That proves, he did not have an original vault type birth certificate from Hawaii.

I for one really hope that they do not resolve this issue. We have seen how destructive rumors and accusations are. Consider the damage the following statements, being repeated over and over, regardless of a total lack of provable facts, have had on Bush:

Selected, not elected

911 was an inside job

"The Constitution is a God Damned piece of Paper"

Diebolt stole the Ohio election for Bush

Bush was AWOL

War for oil / profit/ Haliburton.

Yes, I know that there are crackpot websites that will substantiate each and every one of the above...just like there are those that Dumbo is a Muslim, Dumbo is not an American Citizen, etc. I give none of them credibility.

I can't think of a sweeter bit of Karma than for Dumbo to be saddled with this kind of a problem for at least the first half of his administration. Then after the US is attacked (as one of the other threads indicates is a probability), we can begin questioning his loyalty and reminding everyone how interesting it is (whether it is or not) that the muslims attacked us while a "muslim" was in the White Crib. It can then be alleged that he was complacent in the attack.

Turn about is fair play....and will be deliciously entertaining.

Selected, not elected

~A Rtard

Gore recieved a larger share of the popular vote than Bush, "The Electoral College selected him" is a truer statement than "He was elected by popular acclaim"

911 was an inside job

LIHOP not MIHOP.

"The Constitution is a God Damned piece of Paper"

Even if he didn't actually say this, his actions to date certainly portray this mindset.

Diebolt stole the Ohio election for Bush

Blackwell, the president of Diebold sed he would "deliver" the election to Bush. The exit polls in Ohio were way off the mark from the stated results. Blackwell was a supporter and fundraiser for Bush. Blackwell recieved government contracts from Bush after the election. Withouit Ohio Bush would have lost.

Bush was AWOL

Just cos Rather fell fer a Rovian dirty trick doesn't mean the coked-out, physical exam avoiding, nobody can account for his whereabouts Bush wasn't a War Avoider through the auspices of his well connected family.

War for oil / profit/ Haliburton.

America's policy in the ME stems entirely from the Carter Doctrine and Reagan Doctrines which state that the oil in that region is "vital" to American "National Security". If you don't realise Iraq, and to a lesser extent Afghanistan, were and are proimarily about oil themn you are a brain dead mal-informed typical American sheeperson.

Be Well.

"then will not supply a vualt copy"
sorry, my arthritis interfered with my typing
should be
they will not supply a vault copy

The libs repitition of the "Diebold" meme is as boring as the cons repitition of the Obama birth certificate one.

Blackwell, the president of Diebold sed he would "deliver" the election to Bush.

Wow. That certainly is damning.

The exit polls in Ohio were way off the mark from the stated results.

As is often the case with exit polls.

Blackwell was a supporter and fundraiser for Bush. Blackwell recieved government contracts from Bush after the election.

OK? So where is the physical, technical evidence?

Withouit Ohio Bush would have lost.

True

As is often the case with exit polls.

#204 | Posted by goatman

I'm not big on the stolen election of 2004 theory, but exit polls have always been known to be extremely accurate. 2004 was an anomaly.

From an article on AP:

Historically, exit polls have been so reliable that they are used in emerging democracies to determine whether or not election fraud has taken place. In the former Soviet Republic of Georgia, for example, this year's parliamentary elections were monitored using exit polls sponsored by international foundations. When the official results of that election did not jibe with the exit poll predictions - predictions that indicated the opposition party was victorious - Eduard A. Shevardnadze, the prime minister, was forced to resign under pressure from the US government. [5]

More recently, exit polls of voters in Ukraine provided information that motivated Republican Senator Richard Lugar to offer a scathing review of the Ukrainian presidential election: "A concerted and forceful program of election-day fraud and abuse was enacted with either the leadership or cooperation of governmental authorities." [6]

Dick Morris, a Republican polling consultant and regular on Fox News, put the reliability of exit polls in perspective immediately following our own Presidential contest: "Exit polls are almost never wrong... To screw up one exit poll is unheard of. To miss six of them is incredible. It boggles the imagination how pollsters could be that incompetent and invites speculation that more than honest error was at play here." [7]

Morris's reflections are backed up by Steven F. Freemen of the University of Pennsylvania, who, in a paper released to the public on November 10, [8] notes that the statistical likelihood of exit polls being as far off the mark as they were on election night in three of the battleground states - Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida - is 250 million to 1 (Freemen used polling data that were not adjusted by the networks to fit with the official tally [9]).

Ok goatman, now your resorting to name calling me an idiot? Just how old are you.....12? Grow up!

Hans, you wanna quit posting that same thing over and over in multiple threads?

It was funny the first 2 times or so, because I agree that, in essence, these people are as crazy as bOoB; but you're starting to sound like a broken record.

Ok goatman, now your resorting to name calling me an idiot?

???

honestly, kenoosh, don't you read? That 'idiot' reference was aimed at sambarber (it was his idiotic post I C&Ped).

I don't want to appear to be calling you names, but first you make an unfounded accusation that you can't back up, then you said I called you an idiot, which I did not. And you wonder why I question your reading comprehension?

Read my cut-and-paste post AGAIN, dumbass. Even YOU can't be that dense. On the other hand...yes, you are.

Hans, you wanna quit posting that same thing over and over in multiple threads?

That and pulling up posts from years past he stores on his PC are Hans' schtick. Rarely does he do anything that suggests an original thought was involved. Look at his user page.

"Hans, you wanna quit posting that same thing over and over in multiple threads?"

Given the one-note wonders he's responding to, I think those posts are especially appropriate.

Read my cut-and-paste post AGAIN, dumbass.

I did and it said:

Obviously you can read, but your comprehensin skills are sorely lacking.
#192 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-06 07:04 PM | Reply | Flag:Self-retorting

Yes? Is there a secret hidden meaning here?

"Hans, you wanna quit posting that same thing over and over in multiple threads?"

As soon as the "Obama hasn't produced his real birth certificate" "threads" quit posting that same thing over and over in multiple threads.

Hans

Hans, if Obama was an (R) and the same situation existed, you'd be posting 90% of the threads...

"Given the one-note wonders he's responding to, I think those posts are especially appropriate."

Thank you, SanAntonioRogue.

Apparently, there are some here too stupid to grasp that obvious point.

Hans

Given the one-note wonders he's responding to, I think those posts are especially appropriate.

#211 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-12-06 11:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, they're insane and boring. Does that mean those responding to them should be the same?

If Obama were not qualified as "a natural born citizen," whatever that turns out to mean, would those of you arguing that he is, agree that he should not be permitted to serve as President?

Also, can anyone advance a rationale for not issuing a copy of his actual birth certicate under these circumstances, the one that shows among other information the hospital where born, and the name of the doctor delivering the baby?

I can. But what's your idea for this reluctance, the stonewalling. Supporters of Obama particularly may have some ideas regarding this matter.

"...Obama was born subject to the laws of Great Britain by virtue of his father being a British subject."

Oops:

Logically, the best thing to do with this is to just stop playing with them. Crazies don't go away until you stop paying attention to them. If they weren't given so much attention, we wouldn't see this thread four times a week.

"Also, can anyone advance a rationale for not issuing a copy of his actual birth certicate under these circumstances, the one that shows among other information the hospital where born, and the name of the doctor delivering the baby?"

Well, there you have it! Case closed! No question whatsoever.

Game over!

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, these Birthers, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after these Birthers have slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

"Also, can anyone advance a rationale for not issuing a copy of his actual birth certicate under these circumstances,"

Of course. As I've said numerous times on the seemingly never ending threads, responding to these frivolous lawsuits would only serve to lend them the credence they seek, but that their "evidence" lacks. It also goes to precedent and could serve to open the floodgates of such suits against any politician on prominent figure.

"Crazies don't go away until you stop paying attention to them."

If only everyone here would adopt that attitude.

Hans

"Yes, they're insane and boring. Does that mean those responding to them should be the same?"

I have never found Hans to be either of those things.

Goatman your right and I didn't see that the other guy copied you. I apoligise for that and the reference to you being 12. I truly thought you called me an idiot and did not like that. However, I'm more confused now than I was when I started this blog. It's a pain in the ass to get old. Sorry to bother anyone, and I'm going to bed. Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day.........maybe my dementia will get better by then.

I can. But what's your idea for this reluctance, the stonewalling. Supporters of Obama particularly may have some ideas regarding this matter.

Posted by Johnson

Sure. People like you should walk to the highway and stick out your thumb.

Find trails and put on a backpack ....

SOHEIGOX is 100% right, there is no way these idiots can look at reality, all they have is BS internet stories, not a shred of proof, so I will no longer respond to their dumb comments, it appears that has no value.

Agnotology is the study of the politics of ignorance, so no use dealing with these idiots! They just repeat debunked rumors and phony stories and claim it's because "the Constitution needs to be upheld", What BS, it's their excuse for being a hole in an ass.

Sorry I fed the trolls, forgive me!

Obama's inauguration will be massive, can't wait to see it. My sister in law lives 5 miles from DC and invited me see the festivities with her family, I guess I am really lucky.

No harm, no foul, kenoosh. I look forward to chatting with you in the future.

Does anyone here know when the "whitey" tape will be released?

Does anyone know when the "API/Michelle Obama" tape will be released?

I assume they'll be released at the same time as the "proof" about Obama's "foreign citizenship."

Right?

Hans

"Rarely does he do anything that suggests an original thought was involved. Look at his user page."

Speaking of someone's user page:

If anyone wants to take a look --

"...arguing both sides of the Obama lawsuit re his place of birth..."

Well, there you have it. No question whatsoever. Case closed! Nothing is resolved, but the debates are worth reading.

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, these Birthers, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after these Birthers have slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Hans

I keep pointing out the Federal Election Commission will not allow you on a ballot as a candidate for POTUS unless and until you've proven you're a natural born American. What's good enough for them is good enough for me.

Here. I'll post it in a few more languages. A lot of people don't seem to understand English:

Chinese:
我一直指出，聯邦選舉委員會將不會允許您在選票上的候選人，博圖士，除非和直到你證明你是一個自然出生的美國人。什麼是好是對他們不夠好，我。

Croatian:
Stalno ukazujući na Savezna izborna komisija neće dopustiti vam na glasanje, kao kandidat za POTUS osim ako i dok ste dokazali da ste prirodni rođen američki. to je dovoljno dobar za njih je dovoljno dobar za mene.

Danish:
Jeg holder ppege, Forbundsrepublikken valgkommission vil ikke tillade dig om en afstemning som en kandidat til POTUS medmindre og indtil du har bevist du er en naturlig fdt amerikaner. Hvad er god nok for dem er godt nok for mig.

Bulgarian:
Продължавам подчерта, Федерална избирателна комисия няма да ви позволи върху бюлетината като кандидат за POTUS, освен ако, и докато не сте доказали, че природно роден американец. Каква е достатъчно добро за тях е достатъчно добър за мен.

Czech:
Pořd poukazuje na to, e Federln volebn komise nejsou umoľňuj na kandidtce jako kandidta na POTUS pokud a dokud jste prokzan jste fyzick narozen Američanka. Co je dost dobr pro ně, je dost dobr pro mě.

Greek:
Εγώ εξακολουθώ επισημαίνοντας την Ομοσπονδιακή Εκλογική Επιτροπή δεν θα επιτρέψει σε σας για ένα ψηφοδέλτιο ως υποψήφιος για POTUS Αν δεν έχετε μέχρι και αποδεδειγμένα είστε μια φυσική που γεννήθηκε Αμερικανός. Ποια είναι αρκετά καλό γι 'αυτούς είναι αρκετά καλό για μένα.

Japanese:
私は、連邦選挙管理委員会の指摘アメリカ合衆国の大統領候補に投票を許可されません続けるとしない限り、あなたが自然な米国生まれている証明している。ために十分な私には良いことは何十分だ。

Portuguese:
Eu continuo apontando para a Comisso Eleitoral Federal no permitir que voc em uma cdula de candidato POTUS a menos e at que tenha provado que s um americano nascido natural. O que bom o suficiente para eles suficientemente bom para mim.

Slovenian:
Drim poudarja, Zvezna volilna komisija ne bosta dovolili ste na glasovanje, kot kandidat za POTUS razen če in dokler ste dokazano, da ste fizično rojen Američan. Kaj je dovolj dobro za njih je dovolj dobro za mene.

Norweigian:
Jeg fortsetter peke ut Federal Election Commission vil ikke tillate at du p en stemmeseddel som kandidat for POTUS med mindre og inntil du har bevist at du er en naturlig fdt amerikaner. Hva er bra nok for dem er god nok for meg.

And for good measure:

Vietnamese:

Ti vẫn tiếp tục trỏ ra Ủy ban Bầu cử lin bang sẽ khng cho php bạn trn một ballot như l một ứng cử vin cho POTUS trừ khi v cho đến khi bạn đ chứng minh bạn l một sinh ra tự nhin Mỹ. Những g tốt đẹp đủ cho họ l tốt đủ cho ti.

"I keep pointing out the Federal Election Commission..."

Oh, that's okay, AU. I keep pointing out how absurd the Birthers are, but that doesn't keep others, including your friend, from chastising me about it.

Maybe you'll have some better luck in pointing this out.

Hans

Unlike last time when I said I was simply taking a break, I am leaving for good.

He took the bait!

hans always trots that one out of his archives when he gets frustrated.

Cool!

Hans

I haven't tried:

Swedish
Ukranian
Russian
Hungarian

and several more.

Nope, not boring at all. The only other person on the DR who cuts and pastes his own stuff over and over is da bOoB. You're in good company, Hans!

Of course, people with millions of dollars at their disposal, some even holding (or near) the levers of power in the federal government, people like Hillary Clinton and John McCain, couldn't pin this on President-elect Barack Hussein Obama.

But the people here, by golly darn, they have him nailed! No doubt whatsoever. They should make those phone calls NOW, to someone, ANYONE... before it is too late!

And after they've slayed President-elect Barack Hussein Obama they need to then turn their attention to those elusive smokestacks on the moon. No question that their certitude will prove those "real" as well.

Posted by Hans at 2008-12-06 11:24 PM |
Posted by Hans at 2008-12-06 07:46 PM |
Posted by Hans at 2008-12-05 09:15 PM |
Posted by Hans at 2008-12-05 07:38 PM |
Posted by Hans at 2008-12-05 07:34 PM

Yeah, really original and thought provoking

Or Goatian *grin*

(pronounced 'go - a - shee - un')

"A lot of people don't seem to understand English"

Nor do they practice it, AU.

;0)

Hans

But then again, AU...

You're either with us or against us.

;0)

Hans

President Barack Hussein Obama

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

43 days 11 hours 54 minutes 2 seconds

and:

Posted by Hans at 2008-12-06 11:55 PM

Go, bOoB -- er, Hans, go!

LOL

GOAT is 'anti-birther'

Logical mind he has

You're either with us or against us.

And another golden oldie from Hans' broken record machine. LOL

With

"GOAT is 'anti-birther'

"Logical mind he has"

#245 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-07 12:06 AM | Reply | Flag: Sonderkommando

GOAT is 'anti-birther'

Logical mind he has

#245 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-07 12:06 AM

Yes, the whole issue is absurd. But it will never go away, just as the Gore/internet and McCain/crashed 5 planes never will

Yes, the whole issue is absurd. But it will never go away, just as the Gore/internet and McCain/crashed 5 planes never will

Then why complain that the idiots get smacked by Hans with redundant response? They certainly don't warrant more attention.

"President Barack Hussein Obama

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"43 days 11 hours 54 minutes 2 seconds"

#243 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY at 2008-12-07 12:05 AM | Reply | Flag: Welcomed segway

"Then why complain that the idiots get smacked by Hans with redundant response? They certainly don't warrant more attention."

Thank you, Yav.

Hans

Then why complain that the idiots get smacked by Hans with redundant response?

Because many people say things many times, but in different ways -- including myself.. They take the time to write it out each time.

All I'm saying is that the idiotic cutting and pasting of posts as Hans and da bOoB do is mindless and contributes nothing of substance.

I get enough spam in my mailbox.

Surely you see the difference, between mindless rote spamming and saying the same thing in a different way in an attempt to clarify or illucidate don't you, Yav?

43 days 11 hours 50 minutes 12 seconds

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hhhhhhh

It's about time to bring back:

"Jane ..... you ignorant slut"

"Jane ..... you ignorant slut"

I bought the 2nd season SNL box set a couple of months ago. I have gotten about halfway through it. I forgot how good that cast was. I still haven't heard that line yet, though. Was that in late 2nd season or into the third?

I love the pre election spoofs of Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford and the post election spoofs of Jimmy Carter. Funny stuff.

"I'm Chevy Chase and you're not" and all his falls. LOL

Surely you see the difference, between mindless rote spamming and saying the same thing in a different way in an attempt to clarify or illucidate don't you, Yav?

Goatman, there is no need for further elucidation of the obvious, is there?

This is not the Drudge Debate. It is the Drudge Retort.*

* Attribution: Hans. ;)

"Jane ..... you ignorant slut"

I bought the 2nd season SNL box set a couple of months ago. I have gotten about halfway through it. I forgot how good that cast was. I still haven't heard that line yet, though. Was that in late 2nd season or into the third?

Whenever they started the Dan Aykroyd - Jane Curtain "Point - Counterpoint" during the "Weekend Update" segment.

I remember seeing it in '77 or '78. Not sure which seasons those would be.

I forgot how good that cast was.

That has to be fun! That was one of the high cycles. They really were good this year covering the politics and people!

Well, Yav -- You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and I, mine.

I think it is an exhibition of lack of brain power to simply cut and paste the same thing over and over. YOu don't. That's cool.

I'm glad that of all the posters on the DR, there are only two people who do it, though. That's more than enough.

SNL than

What a memorable bunch of skits and hell of a cast!

I can't get through an episode these days. They get to an iffy punchline and then beat it like a dead horse for another 5-10 minutes.

"Because many people say things many times, but in different ways"

Supremes Asked to Rule on Obama's Birth Certificate

Right Wingers Challenge Obama's Birth Certificate

I think I'm going to start using "Jane .... you ignorant slut" on DR. Seems the only appropriate response half of the time to some of the ludicrous points some people bring up over and over and over.

Remember the teen bees at summer camp?

Belushi: "Hey everybody! Johnny's buzzing off!!"

"* Attribution: Hans. ;)"

;0)

Hans

I used to love the Coneheads.

I was in Navy Tech school that year. My friend Ed and I used to sit in class and do Conehead impersonations. Our instructor thought we were crazy.

"We are from France" "Our ship crashed into Lake Erie" "Chicken embryos cooked in rendered fat of strips of swine flesh"

That season had one of my all time favorite SNL skits -- John Belushi doing an impersonation of Joe Cocker with Joe Cocker. Remember that one?

"Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead."

(who's complaining about redundancy?)

"* Attribution: Hans. ;)"

GOAT

Those skits were so good I can still remember most of them by heart after seeing them once or twice so many years ago.

Gene Wilder dating Gilda's Conehead character

Samauri chef
Bass-O-Matic
Aykroyd as Nixon talking to Lincoln's portrait
Aykroyd as the plumber with plumber pants
Emily Litella
et al

Funny funny funny .... and memorable

AU -- The Killer bees! Yes. I'm laughing so hard just thinking about them. And of course Belushi doing the Samuari __________ skits.

I forgot Boz Skaggs was a musical guest that year. He lived a block down the street from me when I was in Kindergarten. His brother Jimmy and I went to school together from Kindergarten to 12th grade. Their mom was a nurse and a friend of my mothers. In fact, she helped my mom with injections when she had cancer.

John Belushi doing an impersonation of Joe Cocker with Joe Cocker. Remember that one?

Hell ya !!!!

Remember the other one where the coat suspended on wires mimicked Cocker. That was another appearance.

GOAT

Next time I see you have me do my Cocker impression.

HANS

You quoted a line from my post above.

For some reason I feel you are lumping me in with "the birthers" (wherever that crazy term came from who knows). I find this Obama lawsuit very interesting from a legal point ONLY. I think it would be a very demoralizing and disruptive event for our country should it be found via some legal technicality that Obama was not a U.S. citizen.

There are some very detailed legal issues in this case such as does the lawyer who filed this lawsuit on behalf of himself -- purely as a U.S. citizen -- even have what is called the "natural standing to sue" in court? Remember, this lawyer is not a party to whom any personal harm has been done by Obama allegedly having not been born a U.S. citizen so a few courts have already thrown out his lawsuit against Obama on that issue alone. Plus a dozen other legal issues the SCt would have to decide and rule on.

I don't even think this lawyer actually even served Obama with a copy of the Complaint yet. (Serving the person you are suing with a copy of the Complaint is the very first thing you have to do after you've filed the original Complaint with the court.) The defendant (in this case Obama) then has 30 days to answer the Complaint by filing his "Answer to Complaint" with the court. Hard to "answer within 30 days" if Obama never got served a copy to begin with, right?

Lastly, as much as I enjoy discussing legal technicalities, I refuse to discuss this case anymore with anyone on DR except for JOE because, as a lawyer, he is about the only one on here able to discuss a case (and the legal issues involved) purely on the legal merits alone without all the partisan bs from both sides interferring.

And I have a feeling the Supreme Court may decide to not even take this case so that should make everyone happy. Only 1 out of 4 cases filed with them are even heard by the Supreme Court anyway.

Nice to know that I've made more than one contribution to the Drudge lore.

When you get through patting yourself on the back, go to your hard drive/trophy shelf and tell us what the other one was.

Next time I see you have me do my Cocker impression.

Last time I was in Nashville I saw you three times and you didn't do it?!?

I'm tempted to book a flight tonight to Nashville for my next time off just to see that!

CChris - Obama's not the defendant.

I agree with CC 100% on this. From legal standpoint, it is very interesting. One would think that since it is a Constitutional requirement there would be no question that Obama bears the burden of proof here.

I bumped into Boz Skaggs when I was about 22 and playing piano in L.A. He came up and asked me to do a Boz Skaggs tune.

Played/Sang "We're All Alone" and sang in my best Boz impression - smirking all the while. By the chorus he'd grabbed the mic.

Last time I was in Nashville I saw you three times and you didn't do it?!?

You're on next time!! I used to do it starting out on piano and ending up on the floor in spasms.

I'll do my Michael McDonald for ya too. Last time I worked with him at his studio here he asked me to pick which 3 of his 4 electric pianos I thought he should sell. I made up a TV commercial on the spot, "WE'RE MICHAEL MCDONALD'S FENDER RHODES WORLD AND WE'RE MOVING 'EM OUT!!" while playing the opening riff on "What a Fool Believes".

I said, "We will NOT be undersold folks!!" and pointed at him saying, "Tell 'em Michael !" He sang in that rich Michael McDonald voice, "We will NOOOOOOOT be Undersooooooo ooooo old".
Then I started doing him and we cracked up for about 10 minutes doing crap like that.

Good story, AU! Thanks for sharing.

He played at my senior prom (since it was his brother's class, of course). At the time Steve Miller, who is from Dallas, must've been doing stuff with Boz. He made a surprise appearance at the Downtown Dallas Hilton where our prom was and did a couple of tunes from the Joker album.

YAV

CChris - Obama's not the defendant.

#276 | Posted by YAV at 2008-12-07 12:49 AM

Wow. Interesting. Who was named as the actual defendant(s) then, do you know?

All I've been finding are opinion pieces by partisan blogs yapping away for one side or the other -- not worth anything legally in my book.

At the time Steve Miller, who is from Dallas, must've been doing stuff with Boz

My buddy, Jemy Cheers, was an A & R person at Capitol Records in L.A. Among his other duties was tracking down Steve Miller when it was time to do another record. Jemy traipsed to Africa, South America - some real "Apocolypse Now" settings. I guess Steve Miller really like to get away when he wasn't working LOL

Speaking of Steve Miller, my girlfriend and her brothers went to the same school he did. He was several years older than her, so she didn't know him, but her oldest brother did. He was a friend of Steve's brother who died about a year ago. He went to the funeral. Of course Steve was there.

He made a surprise appearance at the Downtown Dallas Hilton where our prom was and did a couple of tunes from the Joker album.

Excellent !!

CChris - rather shocking after reading all this fuss, eh?

The defendant is Wells, the New Jersey Elections Officer. This is why I've found this entire discussion so entertaining. All this "Obama should provide his BC!" and "Why is Obama spending all this money defending himself if. . ."

He's not even the Defendant.

The lawsuit challenges the determination by the State of NJ's Election's Officer regarding McCain and Obama's eligibility based on what the definition of "Natural Born Citizen" means in the U.S. Constitution.

HANS

Speaking of someone's user page:

Unlike last time when I said I was simply taking a break, I am leaving for good.

#230 | Posted by Hans at 2008-12-06 11:45 PM

YAV

The lawsuit challenges the determination by the State of NJ's Election's Officer regarding McCain and Obama's eligibility based on what the definition of "Natural Born Citizen" means in the U.S. Constitution.

Thanks for the info! Do you happen know why the lawyer (Berg) who brought the lawsuit decided to name New Jersey's Election Officer as the defendant -- as opposed naming an election officer of some other state? And did Berg name this election officer as the defendant in the lawsuit as an "individual" or was the Election Officer named merely as a "legal respresentative on behalf of the State of New Jersey"? Hmmm.

See what I mean? There are so many interesting legalities in this lawsuit. A lawyer's dream. lol

Unlike last time when I said I was simply taking a break, I am leaving for good.

CC -- I appreciate the support, but I don't care how many times Hans posts that. It just reinforces my point that he lacks any originality and his entire schtick is based on his locally archived DR posts and rote repitition like bOoB. It also reminds us all of what a hypocrite Mr. "Live in the now" is. If I had time in my life to archive the DR on my PC (or didn't have more important things to do) I could be like Hans and pull up the many times he has told people to "live in the now" in one post then bring up 2 year old retorts in the next. LOL

Next time I see you have me do my Cocker impression.

#272 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

AU, have you seen this clip where Joe Cocker's lyrics are finally deciphered?

Unlike last time when I said I was simply taking a break, I am leaving for good.

We all know that Hans has never said anything in his life and reconsidered. Because to do so and to keep bringing up that post would make him a hypocrite. And we all know Hans is not one of those, right? LOL

Nope, him posting that link is much more of a testament to his own shortcomings and bullshit, not mine. Let him post it as much as he wants. I find extreme humor in watching buffoons like him reinforce their role as the village idiot when they are too stupid to realize what they are doing. LOL!

REINHEITSGEBOT

AU, have you seen this clip where Joe Cocker's lyrics are finally deciphered?

THANK YOU !!!!

Oh, GOD !!! I have tears streaming down my face from laughing !!!!!!!!!!!

GOATMAN

You HAVE to watch this video Rex posted when you hit land. Hilarious !!!!!!! I'll email you the link so you can check it out.

WARNING!!! Don't watch it when Trayce and the baby are asleep. You'll wake them up for sure.

Oh, GOD !!! I have tears streaming down my face from laughing !!!!!!!!!!!

#291 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

That's good. I'm glad you got a kick out of it.

REINHEIT

Ow. My stomach still hurts from laughing!

Thanks again, man. That was awesome.

OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE CHALLENGE TURNED DOWN BY SUPREME COURT

Awwwwwwwwwwwww crap.

What do we do NOW?

- The Birthers

"You remember on THIS THREAD right before Thanksgiving when in your post #25 you again put up that same link and I responded back to you in my #37 post about it?"

Gods damned Liberal Court!!

"We all know that Hans has never said anything in his life and reconsidered."

One case down. One to go.

Of the two cases, this one actually had somewhat more merit, legally. The other one (Berg's) doesn't have a snowball's chance in hades.

I haven't looked at the so-called proof Berg has because I don't think it's really been presented.

Arguments? Yes
Proof? I don't know.

Since the State Gov't has confirmed Obama's natural born status (as far as the Election Officials are concerned), then it is up to Berg (or whoever) to proof their case. The State is presumed correct IMO.