This is horrible.

I feel like the victim was a member of my own family.

Oh, why? WHY SARAH!!??

Tis the season!

Just read Rocky is inconsolable and very traumatized from witnessing the whole thing.

Oh no! Another Kill:

"Hey Rocky... Wanna see me pull a rabbit outa my hat?"

"I take a 7 3/4 myself".

It's hilarious that you guys can't let this woman just disappear back into obscurity. She dips off of the radar for a day and you find yet another way to make a thread about her.

Are you sure you don't want her as vice president?

"It's hilarious that you guys can't let this woman just disappear back into obscurity."

Sister Sarah's disappearing back into obscurity? That must be why she was the main act in Saxby's senatorial runoff campaign. I know that's what I'd do if I yearned for anonymity. Go out and get the crowds hollerin' and stompin', make sure I get face time on national television. Why some people think that's an indicator of Sister Sarah's higher ambitions is beyond me. I mean, didn't she make it clear? "I vant to be alone," she says, in Aleut.

"Are you sure you don't want her as vice president?"

No.

We just want her to run fer office.

Strictly fer the entertainment value.

Laughing extends yer life span and we need all the help we can get.

Dave,

Channeling Spud?

Palin-itis runs deep (irrational hatred of all things Palin). However, I don't equate this thread with Palin-itis.

I thought the whole Bullwinkle thing was very funny.

It's totally unfair to pick on Sarah. She has not been sworn in yet.

"Palin-itis runs deep (irrational hatred of all things Palin)."

Sorry, Jeff.

Nobody hates her (altho, any self-respecting conservative should).

We just laugh at her.

Laughing is good.

"I thought the whole Bullwinkle thing was very funny."

Nobody hates her

To make that statement you clearly haven't been paying attention.

Nothing in her words, actions or record anywhere remotely warranted the level of sheer, nasty vitriol that was (and still is) hurled at her.

"Palin-itis runs deep (irrational hatred of all things Palin)."

The real-world dictionary defines Palin-itis as fear that Sarah Palin won't keep appearing on the national stage.

Hans

"Nothing in her words, actions or record anywhere remotely warranted the level of sheer, nasty vitriol that was (and still is) hurled at her."

If you can't stand the heat...

Politics ain't beanbag...

Hans

Sarah Palin has been compared to two national-arena politicians who also garnered intense and enthusiastic crowds:

Barry Goldwater (in 1964) and George McGovern (in 1972).

Attendees at those gatherings just couldn't believe that their candidate wouldn't sweep the nation.

Oops.

Hans

"To make that statement you clearly haven't been paying attention."

Sorry, Jeff.

"Hate" is too strong of a word.

People get angry about stuff they "hate".

People laugh about Palin.

See the difference?

If you can't stand the heat...

Politics ain't beanbag...

Understood.

However, that doesn't change the fact that much of the hatred for her is irrational.

Dave,

See the difference?

I am not stating that all criticisms of Palin are hate-driven. Nor am I stating that some of her gaffes aren't worthy of comedy.

What I AM stating is that an awful lot of lefties truly hate her, but have no real reason for doing so.

"However, that doesn't change the fact that much of the hatred for her is irrational."

Irrational? Here's some thoughts:

Barack Hussein Obama is president-elect in spite of the fact that he's an African-American.

Hillary Clinton almost clinched the Democratic nomination in spite of the fact that she's a woman.

Sarah Palin was picked by John McCain because she's a woman.

"What I AM stating is that an awful lot of lefties truly hate her..."

Yeah, and there's a "war on Christmas."

And Christians are the most discriminated-against 90%+ majority in this country.

People see what they want to see, regardless of the truth.

Hans

Now, if you want irrational hatred, see any response to Bill Clinton before, during and after his presidency.

No argument there.

The hatred for Clinton was directed at his personality. He was and is a slimy lout.

What is it about Palin that creates so much hatred?

Rochelle Riley of the "Detroit Free Press" called her a disgrace to women.

Several feminists on national TV have echoed the same thing.

People see what they want to see, regardless of the truth.

Yeah, you're right.

Calling her a shitty mother is a rational comment.

Making up shit about her daughter is rational.

Calling her a disgrace to women is rational.

Stating that if elected, a certain celebrity will leave the planet is rational.

By the same token, making up shit that Clinton had Vince Foster killed is rational.

Are you actually trying to suggest that no irrational hatred exists for this woman? None whatsoever??

"Are you actually trying to suggest that no irrational hatred exists for this woman? None whatsoever??"

Are you actually trying to suggest that this "irrational hatred" exists within everyone to the left of Sam Brownback? Everyone whatsoever??

Hans

Are you actually trying to suggest that this "irrational hatred" exists within everyone to the left of Sam Brownback? Everyone whatsoever??

Of course not.

I am not stating that all criticisms of Palin are hate-driven. Nor am I stating that some of her gaffes aren't worthy of comedy.

#20 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-12-04 11:08 AM

I wasn't trying to suggest that everyone on the left has irrational hatred for her.

"Rochelle Riley of the "Detroit Free Press" called her a disgrace to women.

"Several feminists on national TV have echoed the same thing."

So? For the past eight years liberals in this country have been called much worse, in some cases, people deserving of summary execution:

Godless: The Church of Liberalism

Guilty: Liberal "Victims" and Their Assault on America

Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right

Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism

Deliver Us from Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism

The Enemy Within: Saving America from the Liberal Assault on Our Churches, Schools, and Military

But it just doesn't work that way.

Hans

JeffJ,

Sure as the sun's gonna rise and rain will fall, there's a lot of irrational hatred of Palin. There's another huge group, of which I'm a member, that has some really rational hate for her.

We don't want a VP that believes that men walked with dinosaurs.

We don't want a VP that would strive ardently to abolish women's reproductive rights to the exclusion of other important issues.

We don't want a VP that actually believes that being able to see Russia from her home state(though she's never actually been to the place where you can see Russia)is foreign policy qualification for the 2nd highest office in the land.

We don't want a VP that by all apppearances would make Richard M. Nixon look like an amateurish hack when it comes to dealing with political enemies.

We don't want a VP who is so uneducated and ignorant of so many things that she'd be an(nother)embarrassment to he Office of the VPOTUS.

There are many here and elsewhere that hate her for the wrong reasons but there's plenty of reason to hate, fear and revile the woman.

"I wasn't trying to suggest that everyone on the left has irrational hatred for her."

And yet, by your very posts here commenting on this "irrational hatred," you make it sound as it it is the driving force behind most American's concerns about Sarah Palin.

(Damn, does that sound familiar: Substitute "George W. Bush" for "Sarah Palin" in the above and you'll also find the same truth.)

Hans

This story is TRUE! I have seen this with my own two eyes! If I am wrong about this, I will never post here again!

-Tony's Aroma

We don't want a VP that believes that men walked with dinosaurs.

She doesn't.

We don't want a VP that would strive ardently to abolish women's reproductive rights to the exclusion of other important issues.

Maybe it's ignorance on my part, but to the best of my knowledge she didn't take as a position of policy that all abortions should be made illegal. It's one thing to say that all abortions are immoral, it's quite another to state that if elected I will use every power available to me to take my personal belief on the issue and make it law.

We don't want a VP that actually believes that being able to see Russia from her home state(though she's never actually been to the place where you can see Russia)is foreign policy qualification for the 2nd highest office in the land.

Fortunately for her, she never made that comment.

We don't want a VP that by all apppearances would make Richard M. Nixon look like an amateurish hack when it comes to dealing with political enemies.

Please expound.

I agree that some of the criticisms of her are perfectly valid.

However, calling her a disgrace to women and a shitty mother is NOT valid.

Rocky: Bullwinkle, I'm worried.
Bullwinkle: Ratings down in the show again?
Rocky: No.
Bullwinkle: That's odd.
Rocky: I'm worried because there have already been two attempts on your life.
Bullwinkle: Oh, don't worry. We will be renewed.
Rocky: I'm not talking about the Bullwinkle Show.
Bullwinkle: You had better; we could use the publicity.

Po' Bullwinkle never stood a chance.

When Scary Failin roared by overhead in a black helicopter with a high powered rifle in hand looking to work off some post election loss frustration he knew it was the end.

Fear not, Gentle Raaders, BtM is harder to kill than ya'd think.

Nataha Fatale: Boris, is Moose you said you killed in previous episode?
Boris Badenov: Look, it's his show. If he wants to be hard to kill, let him.

Ya know if you stand on Scary Failin's front porch on a clear day with a pair of binoculars you can actually see Boris Badenov's house .

Nice find, AU.

Be Well.

However, calling her a disgrace to women and a shitty mother is NOT valid.

~JJ

She was, ironically enuff, the Worst Candidate Evar in terms of Women's Rights out of the four.

/And considering that the philandering, trophy wife getting, cradle robbing, gold digging, "cunt" calling McCain was one of the four that wasn't an easy feat to pull off.

Calling her a shiatty mother is perfectly valid.

Be Well.

"However, calling her a disgrace to women and a shitty mother is NOT valid."

Probably without realizing it, JeffJ, you're playing the "our woman is a victim and we must defend her" card to the hilt. Otherwise known as "patronizing."

Spud,

In order for 'shitty mother' to be valid, it would have to come from someone who knows her personally and can attest that:

She doesn't love her kids
She's mean to her kids
She rears her children inappropriately
She doesn't nurture her children
Etc.

What we saw after her nomination in that regard was nothing more than partisan, baseless nastiness.

Excuse me for the deflection. Sarah has had no more vitriol flung at her, regarding motherhood or womanhood, than Hillary has. Either Sarah has been just as deserving or Hillary is also not deserving. How much outrage do you suppose Jeff has expressed over the treatment of Hillary?

Hans,

Meanwhile, calling a decorated veteran "dumbass" and "stupid" is met with typical silence from the right.

The Left doesn't need any "help" on a liberal blog.

I don't see too many on the left on this blog leap to the defense of a prominent conservative when he/she is slandered.

Probably without realizing it, JeffJ, you're playing the "our woman is a victim and we must defend her" card to the hilt.

A huge distinction between "defending" Sarah Palin and being critical of baseless claims made against her.

How much outrage do you suppose Jeff has expressed over the treatment of Hillary?

Probably more than what you've expressed over the treatment of Palin.

"She rears her children inappropriately"

In one of the most telling scenes from the 2008 presidential elections, on Halloween night, candidate Obama is back home in Chicago to escort his oldest daughter to a Halloween party at a friend's home. Obama is pleading with the assembled press to please give him some privacy. "I asked you guys nicely," I believe he said.

Contrast that to Sarah Palin, in Pennsylvania (not home in Alaska), trick-or-treating with a daughter dressed up as a princess, and her youngest, in her arms, dressed up in an elephant costume. The press is, naturally, following this group as they go door-to-door (trick-or-treating, or campaigning?).

That contrasting image spoke volumes about the priorities and family values of the respective candidates.

Hans

Sarah has had no more vitriol flung at her, regarding motherhood

I don't recall Hillary's motherhood ever being an issue.

That contrasting image spoke volumes about the priorities and family values of the respective candidates.

So, Sarah Palin is a shitty mother with shitty family values because it didn't bother her, or apparently her children, that a few cameras followed them around as they trick-or-treated?

I wouldn't say Palin was a shitty mother by any stretch. However, I did find the fact that she drug 1 or more of her kids on stage with her at virtually every political appearance she made a bit distasteful.

I did find the fact that she drug 1 or more of her kids on stage with her at virtually every political appearance she made a bit distasteful.

Now THAT's reasonable.

"...being critical of baseless claims made against her."

Oh, come on, JeffJ. Your so-called "baseless claims" argument is the bread-and-butter of most political campaigns.

"McCain's black baby" push poll calls sound familiar?

"So, Sarah Palin is a shitty mother with shitty family values because it didn't bother her, or apparently her children, that a few cameras followed them around as they trick-or-treated?"

#42 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-12-04 12:15 PM | Reply | Flag: Unbelievable spin

Contrasting that image (campaigning, er, "trick-or-treating" in a place that wasn't even their home) as opposed to the image of Obama (back in his home) pleading for privacy for his family did, as I said, speak volumes.

"I did find the fact that she drug 1 or more of her kids on stage with her at virtually every political appearance she made a bit distasteful."

Why is it that at every turn Palin had her children with her (their school???), and you almost never saw the Obama children during the campaign?

Speaks volumes about the respective candidates' priorities and family values.

Hans

JeffJ,

Deus ex machina ate the research that I did and I don't have time now to do it again but here it is in a nutshell:

She DID, in fact, say that she could see Russia from AK and that was part of here foreign policy resume. Maybe she bungled that question when she said that but there it is anyway.

In an interview with Bullock of Newsmax she clearly stated that she'd do all she could to abolish abortion for any reason, anywhere, anytime and that she'd push the legislature to make this happen.

I don't think she's any worse mom that probably most mom's, I just consider her to be uneducated, ignorant, vindictive and too far to the right for any good to come from her.

I don't recall Hillary's motherhood ever being an issue.

~JJ

Spud doesn't recall Hillary having 5 kids including a special needs baby and still working full time letting them all be raised by Gawd knows who.

Spud also doesn't recall Chelsea getting pregnant out of wedlock (or her mother fer that matter) and being forced into a shotgun wedding with a guy who's stated he doesn't want to.

Spud also doesn't recall Hillary taking an 8 hour flight back to Alaska after her water broke (with a middle aged special needs pregnancy) just so she could give birth to an Alaskan.

Spud also doesn't recall Hillary taking a baby with her on stage whereever she went at all hours of the day and night in a coldly calculated and cynical ploy to raise her appeal amongst her base.

Spud musta missed those memos or sommat.

Be Well.

One more...

Spud also doesn't recall Hillary being accused of sleeping with her hubby's business partner.

/Bill, of course, is another story altogether on the fidelity front.

//Done fer now.

Be Well.

you almost never saw the Obama children during the campaign?

Hans

Datz cauz Obama's brats be UGLY and he knows it!

FACT!

That damned Bullwinkle always was a slimy character and one in need of killing. Ms. Palin should not escape without penalties however and a return to try for that 6th grade diploma would be in order.

Another Republic sausage sniffing troll joins the debate.

FACT

Probably more than what you've expressed over the treatment of Palin.

#39 | Posted by JeffJ

I don't recall ever expressing much outrage about the treatment of any politician, man or woman. IMO that's politics! If a politico can't take the criticism they should probably find a new profession.

I think you're defending Sarah because your other head has a crush.

I don't recall Hillary's motherhood ever being an issue.

#41 | Posted by JeffJ

I guess all the shit that was flung after Hillary wrote, "It Takes a Village", was just our imagination. Or, do you just have a selective memory?

It's funny how certain liberals suddenly care about the upbringing of a busy politician's children. I suppose becoming president, taking your daughters away from their friends and displacing them into the most crime-ridden area of the US is okay. Nancy Pelosi has five children and has been a full-time politician since 1977. None of this matters because these people aren't Sarah Palin.

"taking your daughters away from their friends and displacing them into the most crime-ridden area of the US"

The White House?

"taking your daughters away from their friends and displacing them into the most crime-ridden area of the US"

The White House?

#56 | Posted by Danforth

Well, recently...

LOL!

"Spud also doesn't recall Chelsea getting pregnant out of wedlock (or her mother fer that matter) and being forced into a shotgun wedding with a guy who's stated he doesn't want to."

She should be so lucky.

"The White House?"

Are they staying on the white house grounds for the next 4 years? Sounds fun.

Still waiting for an excuse for Nancy Pelosi - she has five children and has worked as a "full time politician" for decades. Is what she did wrong?

Last time I checked the White House was located in DC, the best example in america of failed public education

the best example in america of failed public education

#61 | Posted by timbci at 2008-12-04 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Spoken by the reigning champion in that category - Timbecile

Reagan--the typical Obama supporter who believes Palin said she could see Russia from her house.

Tina Fey said it.

Palin also says that abortion needs to be rare. Same comment as Bill Clinton and HRC.

She is an adament pro life person but also understands women have rights to kill their baby is the law. Would she nominate conservative judges? Yes, of course.

She is intelligent to become mayor and then Governor, beat out a republican machine and take on the corruption of AK gov't. Deal with oil companies to the benefit of the AK people and on the way to getting the NG pipeline.

So the Palinitisites come down to criticizing her motherhood. You all fail on this mantra. It's none of your business.

Sorry son but My parents loved me. I went to private school

And AU "Breaking News" is from September 8, 2008!

lol

There you go, confusing "private" and "reform" again.

The Public Education systemin DC is proof that blindly throwing money into a failed education system does NOT increase the quality of the education. You could get a better education by watching cartoons and drinking yoo-hoo in your family room than in a DC classroom

Spoken by the reigning champion in that category - Timbecile

~Reagan58

Can you imagine Timbecile, James Dunce, and TakitsleaZy all appearing on Jeopardy on the same show?

By the end of that game all three would be in triple digit negatives and declaring victory while Alex Trebeck would be weeping openly and contemplating retirement.

Be Well.

And AU "Breaking News" is from September 8, 2008!

lol

#65 | Posted by MURPHY

Wot part of "joke" are you FAILing to get?

Be Well.

Suck it Trebek.

- Sean Connery (Played by the great Darrell Hammond)

Now there is an issue that this country is failing--education.

Bush--to his credit --is trying to change things with NCLB--but the Dems don't like it anymore, and the NEA hates it.

If Obama is able to get merit pay for teachers enacted--that would be miraculous.

Suck it Trebek.

- Sean Connery (Played by the great Darrell Hammond)

Truly that was the impetus fer Spud's postage.

A damned funny sketch was that.

Good eye, SanAn Rogue.

Be Well.

You wagered ... Texas, with a dollar sign in front of it.

Dethspud. I don't watch gameshows hosted by godless Canadians. Only thing Canada is good for is strippers, natural gas, and slave labor

Spud,

I can just imagine that the prize in a contest such as you describe being Pastors Hagee, Haggard and Huckabee lined up to give each of them a nice round of tonsil tag.

Spud,

I can just imagine that the prize in a contest such as you describe being Pastors Hagee, Haggard and Huckabee lined up to give each of them a nice round of tonsil tag.

H stand fer Hagee, Haggard, Huckabee and HELL.

Not a coincidence.

Teh U-tubeZ has a nice compilation of "Sean Connery on Celebrity Jeopardy" moments from all them excellent sketches.

Worth a gander, sez Spud.

Murphy,

You panties seem to be twisted a bit tightly today. I DID NOT say that she purported to be able to see Russia from her house. I said that she made the statement that you can see Russia from Alaska. She DID make that statement as part of "building up" her foreign policy resume.

But please keep spinning out those Dominican Kiddie Diddler talking points.

Murphy,

I give equal blame to Bush and Democrats in congress that passed that horrible legislation and then proceeded forth with the unfunded mandate. I know plenty of teachers and the number one bitch from them individually and collectively is "teaching to the test". 10 years from now we'll have a crop of incompetents leading us with all the education and knowledge demonstrated clearly this year by, you guessed it, Sarah Palin.

Five colleges in six years to get an RTF degree, hell Trig could do better.

Can you imagine Timbecile, James Dunce, and TakitsleaZy all appearing on Jeopardy on the same show?

^^^The above shows the loony left's contribution to debate^^^

FACT!!!

Actually Reagan--she attended four different colleges and finished in 5 years.

Murphy what is your solution? Private schools with vouchers? My cousin taught at a private school and she didn't even have a degree. I know pvt schools are better but that always made me scared. The other thing is that they are so expensive.

Spud doesn't recall Hillary having 5 kids including a special needs baby and still working full time letting them all be raised by Gawd knows who.

So, it's good for Nancy Pelosi but bad for Sarah Palin? How about Obama? He has 2 young girls and both he and his wife work full time.

Spud also doesn't recall Chelsea getting pregnant out of wedlock (or her mother fer that matter) and being forced into a shotgun wedding with a guy who's stated he doesn't want to.

Forced? You've got proof that it is all forced.

Spud also doesn't recall Hillary taking an 8 hour flight back to Alaska after her water broke (with a middle aged special needs pregnancy) just so she could give birth to an Alaskan.

Her doctor assured her it OK for her to do so, and he was apparently correct.

Spud also doesn't recall Hillary taking a baby with her on stage whereever she went at all hours of the day and night in a coldly calculated and cynical ploy to raise her appeal amongst her base.

You know, it is possible that she enjoyed having her family nearby when campaigning and that they may have actually enjoyed the overall experience, including witnessing firsthand the amount of excitement their mother was able to generate with her speeches.

Nope.

She even posed for a picture (I am assuming it was a coldly calculated and cynical ploy to raise her appeal amongst her base.) with her grandchild and the media swooned all over her as the multi-tasking grandmother.

forced into a shotgun wedding with a guy who's stated he doesn't want to.

His comment was made before he even knew he got Bristol pregnant.

It's amazing how one's perspective on things can change when one learns he's going to become a father.

JJ - totally wasting text here. The talking potatoe head and his followers have had it in for Palin from the begining.

If you want to discuss bad mothers - Michelle took her daughters to a racist church for years.

So, it's good for Nancy Pelosi but bad for Sarah Palin? How about Obama? He has 2 young girls and both he and his wife work full time.

~JJ

Nancy PeLOUSY?

You can't seriously expect Spud to try and defend her can you?

OTOH, The Obama's abilities to prioritise their children and still maintain their jobs is one of things Spud most admires about the First Couple. This is especially true in the case of Michelle "Even as First Lady, my No 1 job is still to be Mom" Obama who took time off work until her kids were of an age to start going to school before returning to work.

She also quit her job when the Obama campaign rolled into high gear and took some grief about that from so-called Feminists who couldn't respect her choice to make more time for her husband and kids.

She's been described as a "smart lady", a "realistic fashion icon" and "the rock" that the Obama family depends on as well as being an effective "closer" on the campaign trail.

Compared to her, Sarah Palin looks like a low-info, rednecked, power-grasping Chillbilly in a 5,000 dollar red leather jacket that reminds Spud of Micheal Jackson's Thriller video.

Forced? You've got proof that it is all forced.

You've got proof that it wasn't? Spud has the kid's statement in his own words that he didn't want to get married. Wot do you got?

Her doctor assured her it OK for her to do so, and he was apparently correct.

Cos Trig is "right as rain", presumably.

Seriously, how can you tell it didn't adversely effect him?

"It's amazing how one's perspective on things can change when one learns he's going to become a father."

Sommat not quite right with that statement.

Allow Spud to touch it up a li'l.

"It's amazing how one's perspective on things can change when one has a shotgun aimed at one's genitals, particularily when that shotgun is being held by one of the most powerful women in the state with a track record of bending rules in order to get wot she wants"

There.

Fixed That For You!

Be Well.

Spud and Herm just adopted a baby boy and renamed it:

SPERM

FACT!!!

Michelle took her daughters to a racist church for years.

Reverend Wright aint a racist.

Repeating meme that over and over again until it becomes "conventional wisdom" amongst the Rtard set doesn't make it true, ya know.

"Even if a million people all do the same foolish thing it is still a foolish thing"

Wright stands against racism not for it.

Learn that.

Spud's knows Rtards are infamous fer not doing nuance but do try and grasp that fact.

Be Well.

Now that would be racist to bring that up Elcid..

Rasta--

The schools are broken because they are wrapped in their own failed red tape.

They need competition and vouchers is a sure way to give parents a choice where to take their kids to school.

And with more kids going to charter and private schools the costs of those schools will come down.

You might be surprised about the costs of charter/private schools. Some are expensive--no doubt--but there are schools that can be budgeted.

Another is merit pay for teachers who teach in inner school districts and for those teaching math and science.

And they have to marginalize the unions--they are crippling the system.

They refused to take 800 computers or some such from Gates to a really poor performing district--they wanted the money instead--I guess.

They said no because it's not fair to the rest of the schools.

See---the unions don't care about the kids. They only care about their power and keeping it.

OUr kids do great until the 4th grade --then something happens--they start to fail until they drop out --many by the 10th grade.

For more info--

And there goes Spud posting about having babies--like he's ever had one!

And there goes Spud posting about having babies--like he's ever had one!

#90 | Posted by MURPHY

Wot are you talking about?

Spud had one fer dinner last night.

They make fer excellent BBQ, doncha know.

Milk fed like baby veal!

Tres Yum.

Be Well.

/Is called "joke, btw.

Nancy PeLOUSY?

You can't seriously expect Spud to try and defend her can you?

I am not asking you to defend her. I am merely pointing out the blatant double standard where she's lauded for being a working mom of 5 and a multi-tasking grandmother by the media and then that very same media opines that Palin shouldn't have accepted the VP role because it would be a strain on her family.

She also quit her job when the Obama campaign rolled into high gear and took some grief about that from so-called Feminists who couldn't respect her choice to make more time for her husband and kids.

As did Todd Palin.

You've got proof that it wasn't?

I don't. I am not saying that it wasn't forced because I don't know. For you to say it WAS forced is just as bad - you don't know.

Spud has the kid's statement in his own words that he didn't want to get married.

Which was a comment he made before he learned he was becoming a father. I take it you don't have kids. You'd be surprised how easy one's perspective can change when faced with parenthood.

Cos Trig is "right as rain", presumably.

Seriously, how can you tell it didn't adversely effect him?

Because he was diagnosed with Down's Syndrome long before her water broke. Because she still gave birth in a hospital. When I went to Lamaze class I was told we could wait a couple of hours after labor started before going to the hospital.

"It's amazing how one's perspective on things can change when one has a shotgun aimed at one's genitals, particularily when that shotgun is being held by one of the most powerful women in the state with a track record of bending rules in order to get wot she wants"

Uh huh. You know for 100% certain that Bristol's hubby-to-be was threatened by Sarah Palin.

Bending rules? Yeah, if you read a story about a cop who tasered his own 10-year-old kid, was drunk on the job and threatened to kill his father-in-law you'd be calling for him to be fired immediately. However, the fact that Sarah Palin's family was the victim, and she's somehow a monster for doing what she could to get him fired.

Here's the crucial difference on all of this:

The scenarios I am presenting I am not stating as unequivicable fact. I don't know what happened - I don't know the Palins. However, neither do you and you are presenting your version of events as indisputable fact.

Oh boo hoo, boo hoo. Poor Sarah is such a fragile little flower, how COULD you put her one heart-beat away from the Presidency? Boo hoo, boo hoo.

ALL MY NEW SOCKS ARE ANKLE LENGTH!!!

Wow, this bullshit is STILL going on?

You got your way. Obama won.

Can we quit making up whacky shit about Palin and leave her the hell alone for a month?

Can we quit making up whacky shit about Palin and leave her the hell alone for a month?

I'm sure the jokes about her will die down when she fades into the background. If she doesn't fade away, then they probably won't.

Reverend Wright aint a racist. - SPUD

Of all the stupid things that spew from your keyboard, this tops them all. You are definately a potatoe with no eyes spud.

Wait, I could be wrong. Maybe if you consider the following racially tolerant, he is not a racist:

"the vast majority of white Americans are racist, either consciously or unconsciously"

"The way we treat the latest immigrants because everybody in here who's not an Indian do be an immigrant." - Indians - I think he meant to say "native americans" - you know kind of like calling a black person "colored" or "negro". It's ok, he's black! He can use out of date, non pc terms all he likes!

"Barack doesn't fit the moldfolks are hating on Barack Obama [because] he ain't white, he ain't rich and he ain't privileged." - apparently he does fit the mold - he got elected! Good try on the race as an excuse racist rant though.

"Racism is how this country was founded and how this country was run. . . . We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God." - so much so, that a half black man got elected!

Can we quit making up whacky shit about Palin and leave her the hell alone for a month?

#95 | Posted by soheifox

Certain people are just pissed that she helped Chambliss, and scuttled their wet dream of a super majority.

Wait, I could be wrong. Maybe if you consider the following racially tolerant, he is not a racist:

~nonLucid

Being aware of racism and being a racist are two different things.

The subtle but important differences there seem to elude you entirely.

Spud's take on Wright is much like Obama's himself. He is a man who remembers the past altogether too easily and too often fergits the important gains made since the days when American prejudice against people of color was much more open and systemic.

You have to appreciate where Wright's been and what he's seen in his lifetime in order to appreciate who he is today.

That sed, Spud hisself has called shenanigans on some of Wright's wilder statements just as Obama has done.

Yer "zOMFG!! Wright refered to "Native Americans" as "Indians!!!" schtick was too, too funny.

Cos presumably yer SUCH a PC person, right?

Up in Canada we call them "First Nations Peoples, btw.

All that sed and understood Wright's foibles can't hold a candle to the rabid intolerance to be found within the Fundy chruches scattered across the US.

Anti Semetic, homophobic, anti-ecumenical haters fer the most part, although the racist component is largely gone or at least buried deep.

Certain people are just pissed that she helped Chambliss, and scuttled their wet dream of a super majority.

~Wisawarcriminal

Dude we're talking Georgia here, get a grip.

Be Well.

Spud--your excuses for Wright do not hold water.

That is the same as saying older white folks in the south are excused for their racism because of where they came from and we should all appreciate that to understand their feelings now.

Wright is racist and likely hates whites.

He hates the country in general with comments about AmeriKKK and blaming the US for 9/11 and lying to people that whites or the country injected or created AIDS to kill black people.

Make all the excuses you want--but he is what he is--a racist who hates the country.

~Wisawarcriminal

Dude we're talking Georgia here, get a grip.

Be Well.

#99 | Posted by dethspud

Funny, considering she caused most of what the left where gripping to go limp.

Make all the excuses you want--but he is what he is--a racist who hates the country.

Simply repeating something doesn't make it so, Murphy.

Wright is neither a racist as you understand the term nor does he hate America.

Spud thinks people who are too stupid or cowardly to honestly criticise the country that they love are the real unAmericans.

Yer analogy about people who grew up in the deep south when racism was the rule not the exception is inapt in that Wright was right to stand up to such injustice and they were wrong to be injust. Certainly it can help explain why older folks in the US tended to vote McCain rather than Obama but other than that it FAILS miserably.

Spud realises that Rtards take Wright's supposed racism as a given by this point just like they assume that Micheal Moore's opinions and films have been invalidated but it's simply untrue.

Be Well.

The hatred for Clinton was directed at his personality.

Sorry JeffJ. The Right's hatred for Clinton began when he had the audacity to win the WH. The Right never forgave him from taking their permanent Presidency away from GHB, Reagan's Annointed One. The biggest reason (sure wasn't ability, as history has shown) Dubya was the 2000 GOP saviour was his name. Just ask McToast.

Oh boo hoo, boo hoo. Poor Sarah is such a fragile little flower, how COULD you put her one heart-beat away from the Presidency? Boo hoo, boo hoo.

#93 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

Honestly I would rather have her one heartbeat away then for Pelosi to be two away.... :/

Honestly I would rather have her one heartbeat away then for Pelosi to be two away.... :/

#104 | Posted by k8blujay

*than

And Pelosi would still be there, either way.

#105 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Sorry... fingers typing faster THAN my brain is thinking again... and yes that is true... however still don't want her near the Oval office just as much as those on the left and don't particularly care for Palin wants her near the Oval office... :/

And AU "Breaking News" is from September 8, 2008!
lol

#65 | POSTED BY MURPHY

McAnkles Genetically unable to Comprehend Sarcasm.

ZAP

It isn't even sarcasm. Facetiousness would be closer.

Some people (guess who from the posts on this thread) have no sense of humor.

Shit, SNL did a skit right in front of Palin where they shot a moose. Palin might have reached by reflex for her bowie knife if she didn't snicker.