Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, December 04, 2008

A group of retired military officers met President-elect Barack Obama's transition team yesterday to urge the incoming administration to prohibit torture and establish an internationally accepted standard for the treatment of detainees by all U.S. government agencies. "Torture is the technique of choice of the lazy, stupid and pseudo-tough," said John D. Hutson, a retired Navy rear admiral and former judge advocate general.

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FTA: "Fundamentally, those kinds of techniques are ineffective," said John D. Hutson, a retired Navy rear admiral and former judge advocate general. "If the goal is to gain actionable intelligence, and it is, and if that's important, and it is, then we have to use the techniques that are most effective. Torture is the technique of choice of the lazy, stupid and pseudo-tough."

Smart man.

Spud hopes Obama listened well when he spoke.

Be Well.

"...lazy, stupid and pseudo-tough."

Good description of the current administration.

I'll bet the Indians are observing these anti-torture philosophies with the terrorist they captured. They would never do something so horrible as to put panties on his head.

They would never do something so horrible as to put panties on his head.

Posted by jestgettinalong

Oh the HORROR the SHAME

FACT!!!

"Well gentlemen, when you were in charge, it was you wussies that just about lost the war. Now look, I know you were fired in the form of early retirement and therefore disgruntled, so take your wimpy little asses out of here before I ask questions regarding your soft hearts for these terrorists. In fact, why don't go hang out with your buddy Gen. Wesley Clark- the guy in charge of the Waco Tx. debacle..."

They would never do something so horrible as to put panties on his head.

#3 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008-12-04 10:01 AM | Reply |

Get a clue. Consult the googles just a little bit in terms of proven and documented torture, rendition, etc. before spouting such inane bullshit. If you want to debate the validity of torture, fine, let's go. Pretending it isn't happening doesn't make the facts go away.

I don't think the title on Drudge reflects the article. It gives the impression that they are trying to get Obama to change his position on torture. The article says they don't want torture, Obama says he will outlaw torture.

What's this 're'-think business?

"Now look, I know you were fired in the form of early retirement and therefore disgruntled, so take your wimpy little asses out of here before I ask questions regarding your soft hearts for these terrorists"

Respect the troops, right?

"...lazy, stupid and pseudo-tough."

Also a good description of Bnjohanson and James Dean.

Get a clue. Consult the googles just a little bit in terms of ...

#6 | Posted by panchovilla at 2008-12-04 10:13 AM | Reply |

GREAT RETORT pantywaste!

He didn't even mention how 'interrogators' might sprinkle water on someone's face ... or say naughty things about their mommy! Oh! The cruelty!ther

The only thing that worries me about scaling back interrogation techniques, and reversing a whole host of other Bush initiatives regarding national security is that if we are attacked afterwards the Right will have buckets of ammunition to throw at Obama and the Democrats. It would be unfair and probably inaccurate, but I think it would play with voters.

Respect the troops, right?

#8 | Posted by jpw at 2008-12-04 10:17 AM | Reply

respect the real troops?

Or respect the dandies who whored around the Pentagon?

It would be unfair and probably inaccurate, but I think it would play with voters.

#11 | Posted by GreenDad

Sure, because when successfull poilicies are taken off the table by the boss, it's totally unfair to blame the boss.

It would be unfair and probably inaccurate, but I think it would play with voters.

#11 | Posted by GreenDad at 2008-12-04 10:22 AM | Reply

Just wait until the Messiah is 'tested' by terrorists. It will be unfair, inaccurate and ugly .... but it will happen. Islamofascists consider Obama as a Muslim heretic, and they will make him pay.

Sadly, thousands of Americans will die.

Why not have an international standard for the proper techniques to be used during torture. In the past the U.S has used water boarding big deal nothing more than a day at the beach. The U.S along with other nations should adopt more sophisticated techniques as practiced by the religion of peace and their fanatical followers. First remove testiculs with a large butcher knife and shove them into victims mouth, then apply diesel fuel and set the infidel on fire finally just before death sever head with large sword. If it is good enough for the religion of peace it should be good enough for everyone else screw water boarding that's for pussies...

"Just wait until the Messiah is 'tested' by terrorists."

Hard to imagine he'd do any worse than Bush: WTC down, Pentagon with a big hole in it, four planes crashed, thousands of people dead, and a pathetically misdirected reaction that resulted in 4,000 American dead in the Land of the Two Rivers. But if it is any worse, we can always rely on tools like you to chortle over it. Now run along, Vermin, the Celestials are shouting for more noodles.

"Sure, because when successfull poilicies are taken off the table by the boss, it's totally unfair to blame the boss.

#13 | Posted by wisgod"

has it been harsher interrogation techniques that has busted up terrorist rings, or typical intelligence gathering (spying, informants, eavesdropping, etc)?

That is a very good question. I have not heard if torture has resulted in anything positive, let alone the fact that many captured people are not terrorists. They are often in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Almost of the generals are opposed to torture. The CIA and thier contractor buddies seem to be the only ones interested in it. There is a difference between aggressive interrogation, espeically at the point of capture when the individual is disoriented and more suseptible to giving up information, and prolonged torture.

"Almost of the generals are opposed to torture."

It does seem that way, but something I've noticed over the years about generals/admirals is that at their rank they sometimes act more like politicians than soldiers. If these harsher types of interrogation never yielded accurate intelligence I would think they would just stop using it. So on some level it must be working, the problem is it the way it destroys our reputation and standing with the world.

They would never do something so horrible as to put panties on his head.

#3 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Sleep deprivation, sensory deprivation, beatings, water boarding, stress positions, the use of terror, the use of drugs, exposure to temperature extremes, and plain old fahioned torture involving electric shock to genitals, nipples etc equate to "panties on the head", Jest?

Are you actually that big of an ignoranus or are you just pretending real hard here?

Yer capacity fer denial and delusion apparently knows no bounds.

Now granted, the US MSM works very hard to keep any actual unpleasant facts about American policy from reaching the ears of the population but that still doesn't fully excuse yer own inability to learn anything on yer own.

I don't think the title on Drudge reflects the article. It gives the impression that they are trying to get Obama to change his position on torture. The article says they don't want torture, Obama says he will outlaw torture.

What's this 're'-think business?

~Quidambrujah

The current law of the land in the US vis a vis torture is the MCA or Military Commisions Act which states that the CIA is empowered to use torture whenever they feel it's "neccessary"

That is the original "think" that needs a do-over.

Sorry, if Spud's headline doesn't make that clear but Spud had a helluva time fitting the story into a headline within the character limit and didn't want to copy the article's headline verbatim.

Be Well.

/Like a tater do, biatches, entering the Ridonkulous Retort, stage left.

With a couple of notable exeptions, the uniformed military has not been in the torture business. Once again though, I guess it depends on the defintion. Scaring the crap out of a guy, roughing them up, and making them uncomfortable for a while vs long term imprisonment and repeated incidents is a bit of dividing line. Military personnel have gone to prison over torture and lost their commands over incidents.

The people that have the green light to do aren't the generals, its the CIA. Lots of conflict there between the spooks and the uniformed guys. A lot of it revolves around tradition and image; the military views itself as requried to obey the law (and generally does) while a lot of civilian agencies don't.

and didn't want to copy the article's headline verbatim.
#20 | Posted by dethspud

Damn, using the headline falls under the fair use rule too? Gotta remember that.

When did a fetish for torturing become and indicator of Military Support?

When did the notion of the G O V E R N M E N hanging Nuclear Warheads over the head of every American become Pro Military?


Just a few questions for the Hannity Wingdings here on the DR.


When did a fetish for torturing become and indicator of Military Support?


When did the notion of the G O V E R N M E N hanging Nuclear Warheads over the head of every American become Pro Military?

^^^King of the NON SEQUITOR^^^

FACT!!!

If Obama changes our interrogation techniques, and then we get attacked because of it, then his Presidency is finished. He may as well not run for re-election.

GREAT RETORT pantywaste!

He didn't even mention how 'interrogators' might sprinkle water on someone's face ... or say naughty things about their mommy! Oh! The cruelty!ther

#10 | Posted by vernon at 2008-12-04 10:21 AM | Reply |

Oh! The ignorance! The power of denial!

Fool.

If Obama changes our interrogation techniques, and then we get attacked because of it, then his Presidency is finished. He may as well not run for re-election.

#25 | Posted by Republican4ever

Translation:

Blah, blah, blah, I approve of torture and live with the fear right wingers have thrust upon us, blah, blah, blah.

Don't worry if Obama changes his mind on this one then his followers will find new reasons why it is actually O.K. with them.

Nothing like watching liberals follow in lock step with the high chiefton.

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