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Thursday, December 04, 2008

Meg White: With the economic crisis and a historic presidential election, it feels like we've forgotten something, some sort of time-honored media tradition ... oh yeah! The war on Christmas. The boycott-happy American Family Association is still at it, organizing an e-mail campaign against warehouse retailer Costco for replacing "Christmas" with "holidays" in their stores and direct-mail advertising.

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There IS a war on Christmas.

I'd previously put this post on the O'Reilly/Murdoch thread but it's even more appropriate on this one. Remember, it always starts with the little things and then soon we'll find all our Christmas customs, heritage, and celebrations have been neutralized until there is no remembrance of Christmas at all.

Ralph's Supermarket's War on Christmas

For years I would always buy my Christmas postage stamps at Ralph's Supermarket when I got to the check out counter. I'd use the Christmas stamps when I mailed out Christmas cards.

Ralph's always got in their supply of Christmas stamps each year around the end of November. But, when asking a few days when I was at Ralph's if they had gotten this year's Christmas stamps in yet, I was told "No." The cashier said Ralph's would no longer be selling Christmas stamps anymore and would continue to sell only the regular U.S. postage stamps from now on.

Baby Jesus doesn't like Ralph's CEOs anymore.

Ralph's Supermarket? Are you going to go shopping for Aunt Jemima syrup, some Kaiser broiler foil, and a pair of blunt scissors?

*Huge props to anyone who gets that reference*

You must have missed O'Reilly's story on the atheist sign in the Washington State capital building?

Lou Dobbs had his piece today with the LA town getting sued or threatened by the ACLU to take down a lighted cross.

The town moved it across the street on the Methodist lawn.

ACLU = fascists.

ACLU = fascists.

#3 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-03 10:43 PM


I agree.

"ACLU" actually stands for "Atheists Civil Liberties Union"

ACLU = fascists.

#3 | Posted by MURPHY


Were they also fascists when they went to court to defend Limbaugh's right to privacy?

You do know that they take on all sorts of cases and clients, not just "liberal" causes, right?

"ACLU = fascists."

Exactly what Rush Limbaugh said when they came to his defense.

"I agree."

#4 | Posted by CalifChris at 2008-12-03 11:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Complete ignorance

Hans

"You do know that they take on all sorts of cases and clients, not just "liberal" causes, right?"

SanAntonioRogue, they don't care about that.

Ignorant talking points is all they have.

Imagine that: Dissing an organization dedicated to protecting their right to bash them.

Some people just don't know jack sh*t.

Hans

I'm a non-believer, and I'd be horrified if the ACLU was suing to have the cross removed from the church lawn. But they didn't do that, did they?

Why do you feel it's necessary for the religious display to be on public property?

Ralphs Grocery Company Sponsors
Operation Christmas for Our Troops III

Los Angeles, Thursday December 7, 2006 : Ralphs, Yellow Ribbon America and the National Guard Association of California will announce this year's "Operation Christmas For Our Troops III" collection drive for deployed California military members and their families . Southern Californians will be urged to make donations in collection boxes at more than 130 Ralphs supermarkets in Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and Ventura counties between now and December 23. In addition, The Ralphs/Food 4 Less Foundation presented a $25,000 donation at the press conference to kick-off this year's campaign.
Hans

Non beleiver? what does that mean?

Your lack of belief, is belief.

Atheist are no ground breakers, they are self doubters.

God isn't another, god is self.

Atheism is the religion of self hatred.

"Atheism is the religion of self hatred."

No, I'm pretty sure that's Catholicism:

Come out virginia, dont let me wait
You catholic girls start much too late
Aw but sooner or later it comes down to fate
I might as well be the one

They showed you a statue, told you to pray
They built you a temple and locked you away
But they never told you the price that you pay
For things that you might have done.....
Only the good die young
Thats what I said
Only the good die young x2

You might have heard I run with a dangerous crowd
We aint too pretty we aint too proud
We might be laughing a bit too loud
Aw but that never hurt no one

Come on virginia show me a sign
Send up a signal Ill throw you the line
The stained-glass curtain youre hiding behind
Never lets in the sun
Darlin only the good die young
(woah x5 )
I tell ya
Only the good die young x2

You got a nice white dress and a party on your confirmation
You got a brand new soul
Mmmm, and a cross of gold
But virginia they didnt give you quite enough information
You didnt count on me
When you were counting on your rosary
(oh woah woah)

They say theres a heaven for those who will wait
Some say its better but I say it aint
Id rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
The sinners are much more fun...

You know that only the good die young
Oh woah baby
I tell ya
Only the good die young, x2

(just music here, saxaphone? )

You say your mother told you all that I could give you was a reputation
Aww she never cared for me
But did she ever say a prayer for me? oh woah woah

Come out come out virgina dont let me wait,
The catholic girls start much too late
Sooner or later it comes down to fate
I might as well be the one,
U know that only the good die young

Im telling u baby
Only the good die young x2
Only the gooooooooooooooood
Only the good die young
Only the gooooooooooooooood
Only the good die young
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo oooooooooo...

;0)

Hans

I'm no fan of organized religion Hans, but I beleive they have one thing correct, there is a god.

And God is everything.

literally

Atheism is the religion of self hatred.

#10 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

I don't have any trouble believing in myself. It's the whole super-being with oversight that demands worship thing that I've got a problem with.

I've seen very few people who hate themselves more then you, Rex.

You seem really angry at my observation Whatsleft.

You miss the fact that what I or you asume is meaningless, there either is or there is not.

re: "God isn't another, god is self."

So you're a Buddhist.

BTW, we are the superbeing, you seem to be relating relgion to the pre christian concept of other.....

That isn't the case, god is totality, good and evil, flesh and spirit, you and me....

religion is dogma, god is reality.

...or a Hare Krishna. When you go to the barber, what do you tell him to do?

I'm not angry at all.

After all the years I've been reading the DR I think I can say with a fair amount of confidence that few at this site need a psychiatrist worse than you, Rex.

Seriously, get help.

Good night.

HANS

Ralphs Grocery Company Sponsors
Operation Christmas for Our Troops III

Los Angeles, Thursday December 7, 2006 : Ralphs, Yellow Ribbon America and the National Guard Association of California will announce this year's "Operation Christmas For Our Troops III" collection drive for deployed California military members and their families . Southern Californians will be urged to make donations in collection boxes at more than 130 Ralphs supermarkets in Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino and Ventura counties between now and December 23. In addition, The Ralphs/Food 4 Less Foundation presented a $25,000 donation at the press conference to kick-off this year's campaign.
Hans

#9 | Posted by Hans at 2008-12-03 11:15 PM |


So what. I didn't see one single collection box at the Ralph's market I go tp. In fact there are two Ralph's markets in my town and if those "Christmas" collection boxes are around, they were well-hidden.

Besides, sending donations to the troops can be done thru a million organizations and Ralphs gets to write it off as charity donations. Kind of a cheap cop out to get out of putting up any Christmas decorations if you ask me.

Dropping a few bucks in collection box -- no matter how worthy the cause -- isn't the same. What an easy out for the supermarket to say they "do something" for Christmas but yet no one even knows it's there.

I get beseiged with all kinds of mail to donate for this and donate for cause at Christmas from various organizations. I don't need Ralph's trying to collect more money from me. I can pick my own causes and charities. I'm talking about these stores actually "acknowledging" the Christmas season with public displays -- Christmas trees, lights, and even -- God forbid! -- the wordS "MERRY CHRISTMAS" on the store windows.

Asking people to drop a check in a box is not the same as stores decorating for the Christmas season and you know it. Now I can't even get Christmas stamps anymore. I'll pick my own Christmas charities. I don't need Ralphs to do it for me as a cheap excuse for them to get out of doing any Christmas displays.

Take solace in the fact that god is indifferent towards you as an indiviaul Whatsleft.

Shinedown - Your Second Chance


****
Star Muzak

Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

Yo Murph!

God is the ultimate dialectic,

God is what you think,

God is what see,

God is the spotless and unvarnished mirror of reality,

the watery, clouded eye, peering toward self.

Look within.

Since the policies of conservatism have been exposed as totally destructive to our nation and world, the right wingers throw this cultural crap out there to goad their mushbrained sheep to feel sorry for themselves cause, golly, they are being picked on; "poor me, the secularists are waging war on Christmas".

Riiiiight.

The only cultural war being actively waged here is the war against separation of church and state.

How pathetic.

...or a Hare Krishna. When you go to the barber, what do you tell him to do?
#17 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-12-03 11:41 PM | Reply

Hey, watch it now...

I still have yet to see any War on Christmas.

If they consider the rabid commercialization of a religious holiday a war, then maybe I can see where they're coming from.

Bush must be waging this war on Christmas considering how many years they keep claiming there is one and the fact that Christmas keeps coming around every year. All we need is for him to say "Mission Accomplished" and we are set.

If they consider the rabid commercialization of a religious holiday a war, then maybe I can see where they're coming from.

#27 | Posted by katieberry at 2008-12-04 10:23 AM | Reply

Ironically, it is the rabid commercialization that is the real War on Christmas -- not the failure of someone to say "Merry Christmas" as you pass through the Wal-Mart checkout line.

To answer the question up-thread...Billy the Mountain. His son is performing his version of it now on his tour, all...what?...40 minutes of it?

Katie's right...when we finally remove the crass consumer aspect from the occasion, the holiday might be able to return to something resembling it's ecclesiastical beginnings. So much of the co-opted iconography associated with Christmas is of pagan origin. Santa ain't mentioned in the bible.

How about a war on Bill O'Really? I'll sign up for that.

They ARE coming to get you!
FEAR them!

Who are we supposed to be afraid of again? It changes so often I lose track.

Idiotic statement alert:

"then soon we'll find all our Christmas customs, heritage, and celebrations have been neutralized until there is no remembrance of Christmas at all."

Whether or not your local supermarket offers Christmas crap (happily made in China) or not has no bearing on your customs, heritage and celebrations.

This is the mentality that everyone has to do as you do. A religious holiday should be a personal thing, something for you and your fellow zombies to enjoy amongst yourselves. No external influence is going to stop YOU and YOURS from celebrating your holiday (be that Festivus, Christmas, Hannukah, whatever). So stop making it out that your local supermarket, church, mall, tv station, costco, etc... is trying to subvert your celebrations and traditions. Go on with them, and stop expecting everyone else to think and act like you do. They don't, you still can. Shut up.

Remember, they are a business, they need to appeal to a wide base, that includes people NOT LIKE YOU.

The War On Christmas was once fought by Christians. Early American Puritans and other fundamentalist devout Christians did not celebrate Christmas and considered it a pagan or bogus holiday that did not really honor Jesus. They discouraged or outlawed celebration of Christmas in parts of New England and the Old World. So the issue is complex. Why don't today's fundamentalists discourage Christmas? I don't know, I guess nothing's simple.

Atheism is the religion of self hatred

Yet, it always seems its the evanjihadists who are going on about their personal failings when they get caught in bed with a gay drug dealer. Religions are based on "accepting" you are totally defective, but if you give enough, you will be "saved".

If you want that money to keep rolling in, you gotta have a "war" on sumthin'.

Even Santa's pissed off -

'Twas the month before Christmas, and all through the store,
Each department was dripping with Yuletide decor.
The Muzak was blaring an out-of-tune carol,
And the fake snow was falling on "Ladies' Apparel."

Up high, grandly hanging from twin gold supports,
Four hundred pink angels flew over "Men's Shorts."
And towering high o'er the Rear Mezzanine,
Was a 90-foot Day Glo "Nativity Scene."

I'd flown many miles from the North Pole this day,
To check on reports which had caused me dismay.
I'd come to this store for but one special reason,
To see for myself what went on this Season.

I hid in a corner and in a short while,
I saw the Store President march down the aisle.
He shouted an order to "Turn the store tree on!"
And also the "NOEL" in blinking pink neon.

The clock on the wall said two minutes to Nine,
The floorwalkers proudly all stood in line.
I watched while the President smelled their carnations,
Then called out his final command - "Man Your Stations!"

When out on the street there arose such a roar,
It rang to the rafters and boomed through the store.
It sounded exactly like street-repair drilling,
Or maybe another big Mafia killing.

I looked to the doors, and there pressing the glass,
Was a clamoring, shrieking, hysterical mass.
And I felt from the tone of each scream and each curse,
That the "Spirit Of Christmas" had changed for the worse.

The clock it struck Nine, and the door opened wide,
And that great human avalanche thundered inside.
More fearsome than Sherman attacking Atlanta
Came parents and kiddies with just one goal - "Santa!!"

In front stormed the mothers, all brandishing handbags,
As heavy and deadly as 20 pound sandbags.
With gusto they swung them, the better to smash ears,
Of innocent floorwalkers, buyers, and cashiers.

Straight up to the fifth floor the mob penetrated
And soon reached the room where the store Santa waited
I followed them closely, the better to see
This bearded imposter who dared to play - ME!

He stood six foot five and weighed all of one thirty
His boots needed polish and his costume was dirty
His beard dangled down like a wad of cheap cotton
His breath needed Scope, and his "Ho-Ho" weas rotten.

Egged on by their parents, the kids had one aim,
To get to the man who was using my name.
They mobbed him and mauled him, the better to plead,
For the presents they sought in their hour of greed.

The President watched with a gleam in his eye,
As he thought of the toys that the parents would buy.
Of all Christmas come-ons, this crowd would attest,
That a visit to "Santa" was clearly the best.

It was all too much for my soul to condone,
And I let out a most unprofessional moan.
The crowd turned around, and I'll say for their sake,
That they knew in an instant I wasn't a fake.

"I've had it," I told them, "with fast-buck promoting,
With gimmicks and come-ons and businessmen gloating.
This garish display of commercialized greed,
Is so very UN-Christmas, it makes my heart bleed!"

Then turning around, and bidding them farewell
I went bounding up an emergency stairwell
On reaching the roof, to my sleigh I sprang forth
Where my reindeer were waiting to take me back North.

The crowd gathered 'round me and begged me to stay,
But I shook them all off as I climbed in the sleigh
And I turned to exclaim as I flew from that mob
"Merry Christmas to all -- I'm quitting this job!"

Published in Mad magazine, 1971 or 1972

God could give a flying fuck if there's a Christmas display anywhere, period. Jesus would look at a Christmas tree, look confused, then move on and light his menorah (sic). All this War on Christmas bullshit is simply that. As is Bill O'Reilly's pursuit to sell more bullshit to the
idjuts who enjoy washing down such regurgitated bullshit smegma with their egg nog. STUPIDEST NON-ISSUE on earth. Man, God must be slapping his knee over this shit.

The war on Christmas is so overblown.

Businesses like Costco eschew 'Merry Christmas' for 'Happy Holidays' because they believe it is smart business to do so.

The 'war', such as it is, is limited to douchebags who try to use the courts to remove nativity scenes from public property (the town my parents live in has a nativity in its central park). I would also add its also limited to school districts that won't allow children to sing a Christmas Carol.

I'll pick my own Christmas charities. I don't need Ralphs to do it for me ...

Why do you need Ralphs to recognize Christmas at all, then? The thing I don't get about people who believe there's a "war on Christmas" is why they need commercial enterprises to call the holiday season "Christmas" at all.

I like stores decorated for Christmas, but it's something they're doing to make money and get people to buy more. How is that a recognition of the religious holiday, rather than sacrilege? It's not like Santa and Rudolf the Red-Nosed Reindeer and the rest are in the Bible. Isn't the real war on Christmas all of this unrelated non-religious stuff that's putting Baby Jesus in the corner?

You do know that they take on all sorts of cases and clients, not just "liberal" causes, right?

#5 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue


Who says they didn't do that for their image? You libs always come up with some alternative motivation for things. The fact remains that the huge majority of their case load is over liberal and far left causes.

Imagine that: Dissing an organization dedicated to protecting their right to bash them.


Some people just don't know jack sh*t.


Hans

#7 | Posted by Hans

Yeah, sort of like the far left that bashes soldiers and the military. The real people who are dedicated to protecting rights and liberty.

Yeah, sort of like the far left that bashes soldiers and the military. The real people who are dedicated to protecting rights and liberty.

Posted by everlong

Examples?

Who says they didn't do that for their image? You libs always come up with some alternative motivation for things. The fact remains that the huge majority of their case load is over liberal and far left causes.

#40 | Posted by everlong


Uhm, yeah. They took on Rush Limbaugh's case for their "image".

Please.

look into the eye's of a newborn baby or the intricacies of something as simple as a bee pollenating a flower, and then tell me it all happened by accident... in an instant!
Easier to believe in divine intervention if you ask me..

Those wishing to eliminate Christmas as we have come to know it may just be right. How about a change to...

"Happy birthday Jesus"

That is after all what it was all about and should be again for Christians.(My opinion only, not to be mistaken as an edict)

look into the eye's of a newborn baby or the intricacies of something as simple as a bee pollenating a flower, and then tell me it all happened by accident... in an instant!
Easier to believe in divine intervention if you ask me..

Easier?

No doubt.

See Also: Lazier.

Also, the "in an instant" thing is more in line with the thought processes of the fundy crowd and their 6,000 year old earth theory.

Folks who read more than one book in their lifetime appreciate that the complexity of the biosphere is a thing that has been a long time in the making.

Very long indeed.

Most religons, have Creation Myths because one of the primary purposes of religions back in the pre-Scientific Ages of Man was to explain the unexplainable.

Thankfully, we aren't as ignorant these days as we were back then.

We still don't know everything about how life on earth evolved to the state it's in now but we certainly know more than the primitives who wrote those creation myths.

Why some people still pretend that those ignorance based analogies are literal truths in today's day and age is an utter mystery to Spud.

"Tradition" and "Intellectual Incuriousity" are the current top two vying theories there, btw.

Be Well.

The "WAR ON CHRISTMAS" is really just an attempt by some to pretend that there is really religious persecution of Christians in a country which has a majority of Christians.
The company I work for sends out "Holiday Sale" advertising because we know we have many Jewish customers. Are we trying to kill Christmas???
Hardly, we just don't want to offend our customers who spend their money with us.

Take solace in the fact that god is indifferent towards you as an indiviaul Whatsleft.
posted by R Zeitgeist

God isn't another, god is self.
posted by R Zeitgeist

So you're saying Whatsleft is indiffernet towards himself?

Come on, Spud, you remember from your Catholic days how Pride of Intellect is a sin. Far safer in the eternal long run to just chalk it all up to God.

The fact remains that the huge majority of their case load is over liberal and far left causes.

Only if you define constitutional rights as a far-left cause.

Come on, Spud, you remember from your Catholic days how Pride of Intellect is a sin.

Far safer in the eternal long run to just chalk it all up to God.

~Hagbard Celine

Point taken.

Hey, ...wot about "Pride of Lions"?

Venial Sin or Mortal one?

Spud is quite fergit by this point.

Be Well.

Hey, ...wot about "Pride of Lions"?
Venial Sin or Mortal one?
Spud is quite fergit by this point.

#51 | Posted by dethspud

Depends on if you're in the stands or on the arena floor.

Ironically, it is the rabid commercialization that is the real War on Christmas -- not the failure of someone to say "Merry Christmas" as you pass through the Wal-Mart checkout line.

Good point. I keep hearing this. I'm 34. Just how old would I have to be to remember when Christmas wasn't commercialized? Really? Pre-TV? We're having the lean Christmas this year in my family and it hurts me more than the kids most likely because I want to give them so much. Every year I try to do the things that I remember from the holidays as a little girl. Cooking, baking & decorating cookies, watching the Christmas specials together. I don't remember the toys. I'm sure they were important at the time but now I have a hard time remembering the "big" ones? Why can't everyone just quit bitching for at least a few moments? Asking to much?
I suppose I could cop out and tell my kids that those evil bastards at Mattel and Fisher Price hijacked Santa and stole their Christmas instead of teaching them humility and how to deal with disappointment which will serve them later in life? Hey, I've just filled in the "defendent" space in my frivolous lawsuit! "Merry Christmas to me" DAMN, I meant, "Season's Greetings to me". Now I've just put myself in the defendent space in someone else's frivolous lawsuit. LOL :)

Learn something new every day:

Every year I try to do the things that I remember from the holidays as a little girl.

Depends on if you're in the stands or on the arena floor.

~HC

Thumbs up fer that one!

/Actually "thumbs down" or "hidden thumbs" was the real Roman way of expressing a positive sentiment in the arena but after years of mistranslations seeping into Western conciousness one can't usually make the historically correct gesture without creating confusion.

//There are, in reality, no ancient references to the thumbs going either up or down in the Colosseum, at the vital moment of decision. Later authors who have claimed so have simply not understood the Latin phrases. Pollice verso does not mean a down-turned thumb it simply means a turned thumb -- one that is moved in some unspecified way. No particular direction can be assumed. The posture of the thumbs of those wishing to spare the gladiator was pollice compresso -- compressed thumbs. In other words, not thumbs up, but thumbs covered up -- thumbs folded away out of sight. What the spectators did, in fact, was to extend their thumbs for a kill and hide their thumbs for an acquittal. The reason for this is not hard to find. If they wanted the victorious man to plunge in his sword, they mimed the act with their hands, their extended thumbs stabbing the air in encouragement. If they wanted to spare the defeated fighter because he proved himself valiant in battle, they did the opposite of sticking out their thumbs -- they hid them away. This made sense in an arena as vast as the Colosseum, where the kill/no-kill signals would have to he strongly contrasting to he visible at all.

bernd.wechner.info

Be Well.

#55 | Posted by dethspud

Interesting. Thanks for the learnin'.

evolutionists do believe in the Big Bang theory that literally did create the universe "in an instant". creation isn't a lazy solution to the question, but it certainly is the most logical. Darwin himself refuted his own theory of evolution later in life.

I call bullshit on "Joecitizen" - or do you think that this is a "Christian" nation?

Don't you all have more important shit to take care of? sheesh.

Here where I live Christmas has been replaced with Winterlit. What the hell is Winterlit?

No one ever said you can't call it Christmas if you want. Do with it what you want. Be Christ like. Enjoy the Holiday. Don't sweat the small stuff, like names.

If Christians can steal a Pagan Tradition and call it Christmas why can't atheists or any other sect rename it whatever they want?

"Darwin himself refuted his own theory of evolution later in life."

That is completely false.

And not all people who believe evolution also subscribe to the big bang theory as well.

This "secular leftist" who believes the government should stay far away from religion LOVES Christmas. T'is my favorite time of year. I also say "happy holidays" to those who i'm not certain are Christian... ya know, out of respect. (i know, i know--HOW DARE I, right?)


I never knew war could be so awesome!!

could some noted historian on DR tell us the origin of celebrating jesus birth instead of sun god on Dec 25th?

"Darwin himself refuted his own theory of evolution later in life."
nice story created by religious zealots, but completely false, why do people fall for lies, is it comfort or stupidity?
for accurate info on evolution go to:
www.talkorigins.org

Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations. It has over 150 years of study and evidence to support it's conclusions. It is the foundation behind all modern biology. The pig valves in my heart that saved my life were created as a result of evolution. All modern vaccines are developed using theory of evolution. It is not a belief, it is a well developed science (and saves lives) If religious bigots had their way the USA would give up it's lead in science and return to the dark ages, where the answer to all questions is simple "god did it", no need to study, no need for questions or cures, god did it.

could some noted historian on DR tell us the origin of celebrating jesus birth instead of sun god on Dec 25th?

~VMA224

Just a guess but Spud suspects it has sommat to do with the fact that human beings were primarily agrarian fer the vast majority of our history as sentient beings.

One of the things farmers note is that the days get longer and then they get shorter.

In order to recognise the days getting longer again and to appease the Gods to make sure it occurs the human race has come up with a shiatload of "dying and reviving" god myths and in many of them a Holy Day around the time of the Winter Solstice was considered well in order.

Seeing how the Christian faith piggybacks on a lot of ancient memes and myths, the whole "Xmas around the time of the Solstice" thing makes nothing but sense to Spud.

Course, that's just an idle theory, gots no hard evidence to back it up or anything.

All that sed and done Spud is of a mind with the infamous Foamy the Squirrel on this topic.

Enjoy his Squirrelly Wrath in this Holiday classic.

"No Christmas for you"

www.youtube.com

** Not Safe For Work **

** But very, very funny. **

"Santa, he rewards the good and punishes the evil!"

"Kinda like a vigilante with gifts!"

"Leave the Christmas Folk alone!"

"Tis the season to STFU and stop being a whiny l'il biatch!"

"Stop ruining the Christamas Season or I'll beat you with a Baby Jesus!"

Be Well.

-could some noted historian on DR tell us the origin of celebrating jesus birth instead of sun god on Dec 25th?

As Christianity began to spread into Europe, it's mostly Jewish-based feasts and celebrations began to be integrated with what were mostly existing Babylonian mystery religions that had spread previously and already had accepted holidays. (holy days)

The broken bread of Jesus' Last Supper became the rounded wafer of Chaldean sun worship, the winter solstice celebration became the time to celebrate Christ, and many other mutations and add-ons, including the bringing of trees into the home as described in the OT as part of the worship of Tammuz.

some dates here

www.sabbatarian.com

Isn't Christmas supposed to be a time of peace on earth and all that jazz?

Damn, Corky, you cost me money. I bet that BBob would jump on that first. IIRC he gave a pretty good explanation on another thread recently.

"then soon we'll find all our Christmas customs, heritage, and celebrations have been neutralized until there is no remembrance of Christmas at all."

I'm a staunch traditionalist and I will NEVER NEVER let anyone f*ck around with the symbols of MY RELIGION.

So get that Thor-damned baby crib out from under MY YULE TREE!!!

War on Chrismas, my God fearing ass! Doesn't exist. There is, however, a war over picking our pocket books to keep an economy going under the guise of a spiritual renewal. Hey, you want to say merry christmas, fucking say it. Fine with me. I've got my charlie brown christmas tunes going, loving every sublime moment, getting a tree, lights, seeing family, donating to charity, saying prayers, good for me, right? Well, that's me. What other people do is their own fucking business. Merry Christmas, happy holidays, I could give shit what you say, what you believe as long as its good for other. whatever, just do good. Christians who feel persecuted in THE USA, and try to make this an issue, are beneath contempt.

Put the X back in Xmas.

Bringing up "Christmas" drives DR libs crazier than a pack of wild dogs smelling some red meat. Other words that libs hate: Wal Mart, Big Oil, Bush/Cheney, Capitalism, and Republican Party. Libs are easier to predict and manipulate than my two year old grandson.

FWTHOM

What the hell are you talking about? I love Christmas and Capitalism

And did you realize that maybe 10% of Democrats are "libs"?

I consider myself a 'moderate'.

Don't pray in my courthouse and I won't contest my traffic tickets in your church.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! (hic)

FWTHM -- still buying into the Limbaugh cliche machine of what and who liberals are? Silly dweeb. You do however give credence, over and over, to the cliche that many so called American Conservatives are royally dumb misguided and immoral knuckleheads.

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays to one and all.
(mental midget Palin lickers included)

So here's my personal story from the front lines:
For years my uncle out in CA had participated in a christmas house decoration contest, that pretty much included the whole county. He stopped a few years ago, when he was disqualified for putting a nativity set up.
This is a bit ridiculous. I mean, if the whole holiday is a Christian shindig. While I understand that it has roots in pagan tradition, I still feel that christians havbe now adopted it as a time of the celebration of Jesus, who's kind of our big dude, aside from God. But I wouldn't begrudge an atheist who put up a picture of Neiztche in his decorations, or a Jew who puts upa a Star of David. But to ban someone because of using religious symbolism celebrating what began as a religious tradition? That's truly ridiculous.
I'm not in favor of school-prayer or anything, in fact, I'm pretty adament on keeping all religion out of schools, except maybe for the purposes of understanding (like a world-religions class, which wouldn't prmote any one religion, but look at it more from a socialogical point of view), but at the same time I feel the religion is an important part of a lot of people's lives. People can do what they want, but when the ACLU starts to actually try and INFRINGE on other people's rights, we may have a problem.

Deism rules, by the way (that was evangelical Postscript :) )

Why don't today's fundamentalists discourage Christmas?
#33 | Posted by mrbgoode at 2008-12-04 11:21 AM | Reply

There a few who still do.

I KNOW most of Christmas is pagan. Like most of Drudge Retort.

But Christians can eat food sacrificed to idols if it dosn't bother their conscience (idols aren't REAL) or harm someone else.

It's funny, I bet a bunch of you atheists/agnostics with kids celebrate Christmas and still do the Santa thing. Not us.

I'll never forget the look on the lady's face at Sam's Club who asked my 4 year old "Is Santa bringing you toys" and he looked at her and said "Santa's not REAL.". She looked like he was gonna ruin Christmas for every kid within 10 miles.

Deism rules

Or not, as the case may be.

Here is something you won't hear too many evangelicals say:

Put the mass back in Christmas(s).

Cheers

there should be a war on xmas. If you want to give praises to a false prophet go right ahead but do it in the privacy of your own home!

well of course this headline is misleading because what this group is really doing is fighting the war declared on christmas by people like

well........just read the post above this one

I used to work in a company in New York that was about half Jewish employees. Everybody said Merry Christmas and Happy Hannukah to each other. Nobody had a problem because there wasn't any problem.

Why do we now have this invented problem?

We gotta lot better things to worry about. Like the Jobs Report.

so nasty rasty

I can assume that you work EVERY DAY in december and never accept a present of anykind
and you would never EVER make money from anything christmas??

or are you like a former band parent of mine who had the same sentiments as you have but that didnt stop him from selling the shit out of merry christmas stuff in his store/

and this reminds me to appauld AGAIN the makers of the fireworks in new york somewhere who used to always GIVE all the fireworks to a town there for a CHRISTMAS celebration and when they changed it to a HOLIDAY festival, they said...ooops sorry but we only donate to CHRISTMAS celebrations.

so why are people so afraid of the word CHRISTMAS


and by the way RASTT

this is a perfect place to put this for the first time this year

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS

Why do we now have this invented problem?


We gotta lot better things to worry about. Like the Jobs Report.

#84 | Posted by johnjkavanagh


sounds pretty sensible to me but then its not MY SIDE that has started this nonsense

and my theory is that most people who come out against christmas are mostly people who are at thier UNHAPPIEST at this time of year

anyone else think that sort of has something to do with it?

Were they also fascists when they went to court to defend Limbaugh's right to privacy?

You do know that they take on all sorts of cases and clients, not just "liberal" causes, right?

#5 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue
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Yeah their knocking down the door to defend Joe the plumber when his privacy was violated. Let's face it, they have their own agenda. The law is only a little part of that.

Lonnie

Let's face it, they have their own agenda. The law is only a little part of that.


Lonnie

#88 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2008-12-05 01:11 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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ditto and well said

It's ditto-tastic! Joe the over-exposed plummer's privacy was violated? What villains were culpable for the deed? One would think any lawyer would have filed by now.

So nice, I'll say it twice...
If you're foolish enough to willingly clamor for the attention of the national spotlight, then you should be prepared to have every breath you've ever taken reverse engineered and commented upon--especially when you take into consideration we're living in a BushCo bizarro world where the highest batting average for investigative journalism in this election cycle is the National Inquirer.

If the the plumber has skeletons, it is inevitable that a ravenous media will ferret out the closet he keeps them in.

I learned something interesting recently -- modern Christmas celebrations and activities evolved from the rituals of the Roman feast Saturnalia, so when we eat gingerbread men, we are imitating this guy:

en.wikipedia.org

Sorry but asking a politician a question when is is on your street is not craving media attention

Sorry but asking a politician a question when is is on your street is not craving media attention

Posted by timbci

Asking a politician a question based on a blatantly false premise is craving media attention.

Did you read he also cost his boss his livlihood? Not only did his boss not ever ever even gross $250,000, he didn't net $250,000, nor did he have a plumber's license.

Joe got his just desserts for craving media attention trying to do a 'gotcha'. And, it turns out Joe would have gotten a bigger tax cut under Obama's plan ... well, if he still had a job that is.

And he hurt other people like his boss and his family at the same time

Happy Festivus! Oh yeah, and to all those deity worshipers Merry Magic Man in the Sky!

And a Holy Heoirtlkdashgdfl-to all of you!

Oh, Timbidoodle...He's made big noise about a book in the works, and then there's that alleged country album due any day now. Over the course of the campaign, a lot of people asked Barry some questions that the man might have found uncomfortable to answer, but I don't recall hearing that any of them immediately went out and hired a publicist the next day.

He cracked out of turn. He saw an opportunity to hop on the fame train and got caught without a ticket.


Merry Christmas, heathens!

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