When you care enough to send the very best.... comes to mind.

Read your article. It's not a cluster bomb ban, it's a treaty to change the design of cluster bombs to reduce collateral damage. Although the USA hasn't signed the treaty, it is already in compliance with its terms. Nya, Nya Nya.

Cluster bombs are all about collateral damage.

Read your article. It's not a cluster bomb ban, it's a treaty to change the design of cluster bombs to reduce collateral damage. Although the USA hasn't signed the treaty, it is already in compliance with its terms.

If the USA was in compliance with its terms they would not hesitate to sign the treaty.

Stop deluding yourself.

When you care enough to send the very best.... comes to mind.

Reminds me of a quote from a movie, the title of which I cannot remember.

"When you absolutely have to kill every mother fucker in the room..."

or land mines, or spent uranium shells, or napalm, or nuclear weapons.

but Saddam Hussein had some bottle rockets, so we had to kill him and everyone who happened to be in our path.

Here you go.

It's easy for those 100 third world countries to sign the cluster bomb treaty when they don't even have enough brain power to make one. They'd be lucky to have some spears and clubs. I bet the M.F's wouldn't sign a club and spear ban.

More attention (and money) should be paid to making sure that no ordinance is left after one of these is dropped so that civilians (especially children) can't come into contact with them after the fact. I'm not going to sign onto telling the military what weapons they can use when they are putting their lives in harms way to protect our freedoms.

Someday, like cluster bombs, there will be undetonated atomic bombs lying around on the earth like heaps of fallen fruit in the proverbial apple orchard, just waiting for someone to set off a chain reaction and make the world into one big hot apple pie.

It's easy for those 100 third world countries to sign the cluster bomb treaty when they don't even have enough brain power to make one. They'd be lucky to have some spears and clubs. I bet the M.F's wouldn't sign a club and spear ban.

POSTED BY FWTHOM

You consider England, France, Germany and 15 other NATO members as third world?

If the USA was in compliance with its terms they would not hesitate to sign the treaty.

Stop deluding yourself.

So the US wouldn't hold out on signing a treaty that they are in compliance with just so they can hold in reserve the "right" to use non-complaint weapons at some point in the future? Who's the delusional one?

I guess the terrorists are collecting all the unexploded DU clusters and are making a dirty bomb for a city near you.

So the US wouldn't hold out on signing a treaty that they are in compliance with just so they can hold in reserve the "right" to use non-complaint weapons at some point in the future? Who's the delusional one?

If they are holding out because they are looking at non-complaince in the future it means they are non-complaint now.

Stop deluding yourself.

I find it amusing that countries actually have to sign treaties or agreements on making more human killing bombs. And the fact that the US refuses is humanely sad.

Looks like kids in iraq shouldn't be playing soccer around the neighbor for quite a while.

So basically, a bunch of countries who barely have militaries - many of whom rely on us for protection - signed a treaty concnerning a weapon for which they have no use or no ability to deliver.

How brave of them. And how sharp the Drudgies are today for falling for playing into their phoney sense of morality.

It would be stupid of us to keep making more rules for ourselves after it has been proven that our most dangerous enemies don't follow any rules at all. War isn't supposed to be nice, geniuses.

"It's easy for those 100 third world countries to sign the cluster bomb treaty when they don't even have enough brain power to make one."

#8 | Posted by fwthom

It is the people of those 3rd world countries who are are being maimed and killed by cluster bombs. Didn't consider that, did you?

"It is the people of those 3rd world countries who are are being maimed and killed by cluster bombs. Didn't consider that, did you?"

Maybe its time for them to stop fucking with people who can drop cluster bombs on them, ever think of that?

We should all reconsider the words of a past Surgeon General, Joycelyn Elders, who said, "We can make safer bullets."
God...I miss that woman.
Safer bullets, safer cluster bombs, safer napalm...she had it right. Kinder, gentler wars...the way to go.

We should all reconsider the words of a past Surgeon General, Joycelyn Elders, who said, "We can make safer bullets."
God...I miss that woman.
Safer bullets, safer cluster bombs, safer napalm...she had it right. Kinder, gentler wars...the way to go.

#18 | Posted by jestgettinalong

And yet she got run out of office for saying masturbation was OK.

"And yet she got run out of office for saying masturbation was OK."

No she didn't. She wanted the schools to "teach" masturbation. What a great idea! I was too late for that though. I just wished that I could have had Miss McMahon teach it to me back in junior high school.

No she didn't. She wanted the schools to "teach" masturbation.

Who needs to be taught how to masturbate?

"Masturbation! The amazing availability of it!"
-James Joyce

Who needs to be taught how to masturbate?

#21 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

And would those who received instruction in public school do better than those who were home schooled?

Or vice-versa?

"Someday, like cluster bombs, there will be undetonated atomic bombs lying around on the earth like heaps of fallen fruit in the proverbial apple orchard, just waiting for someone to set off a chain reaction and make the world into one big hot apple pie."

I saw that Planet of the Apes movie also.

I have no problem with us not signing this. Cluster bombs are very effective for what they do. So long as we maintain diligence in making sure they all do actually explode and not lay around waiting for a civilian to pick up, then let's keep using them when necessary.

And would those who received instruction in public school do better than those who were home schooled?
Or vice-versa?

#22 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

LOL... I wonder how anyone would go about discerning something like that?

Wait... I think there's a movie about it.

"And would those who received instruction in public school do better than those who were home schooled?"

I don't know, but if Miss McMahon had been teaching ME, I would have had to repeat the course over and over and over....

How can you have a war where you don't kill the enemy? They can kill us but we can't kill them. What a deal.

Anyone here, ever actually ENGAGED what was determined by our governemnt to be the enemy? I mean, actually discharged one's firearm in their general direction, or dropped a bomb on them, or at the very least, took fire from them, even if for just a single solitary second?

I have. Once. For about 90 minutes in late October of 1983. That is not a boast. Simply a point to be made. If you get it, thank you. If you don't, I'm not going to fucking explain it for you.

I have always maintained that the enemy is mirror of oneself. If the enemy is hidden amongst the people and difficult to spot, it is because you and your own motives are the same.

Only by clearing up ones own motives can one truly understand the enemy. and when the enemy is understood, only then can an accurate strategy be made to engage and defeat them.

We will never win a "war on terror" because the strategy is as ill-defined as we are.

After even 1 second of engagement on a battlefield one is forever cursed to live a life marred by extended periods of solitary brooding on this type of stuff. And everyone knows what solitary brooding can lead to. You better find some answers quick or you'll get yerself a habit, get crazy, or get dead.

Continue on.

You consider England, France, Germany and 15 other NATO members as third world?
#11 | Posted by fribo

Not third world, but I bet that they feel free to sign it when they know the good ol' US of A will be the ones dropping cluster bombs for them in any engagement they might be party to. If we ever signed the treaty, most of the other NATO countries would have to withdraw to maintain the capacity to defend themselves from other non-signees like Russia and China.

"US, Russia and China -- are not among the signatories."

So, basicly, the potential victims of our future proxy wars signed but the potential aggressors and arms suppliers haven't. Surprise. I bet the civillians of Vietnam would have agreed to ban napalm but I doubt Gen. Westmoreland of Presidents Johnson of Nixon would have.

I actually feel these are necessary weapons.

The downside to them is that many of the sub-munitions never detonate and linger long after the battle.