22 skidoo.

Go Franken!

He used to claim to be funny. Two-time liar.

I don't think Marc Elias was ever particularly funny.

The comedy keeps getting funnier on this one!

Guess this is not as important an issue now that Chambliss was re elected in GA.

There number of "new-found" votes combined with
existing votes exceeds the total number of
registered voters.

That's the best part.

There has to be more than a few screenwriters feverishly pounding out a treatise or two about this, all waiting for the final page to be written by the fine people of Minnesota.

I don't think Marc Elias was ever particularly funny.

#3 | Posted by LetUsPrey

You've done a fine job modeling yourself after him.

I totally forgot, I found another 100 votes for Coleman in the back seat of my car. Where do I send them?

Guess this is not as important an issue now that Chambliss was re elected in GA.

#4 | Posted by Monstman at 2008-12-03 04:03 PM

The news media would have you believe that, but remember Joe Lieberman...

He will be voting with the Democrats on most issues, especially since Barack saved his chairmanship.

If Franken is elected, the Democrats will be able to reverse a filibuster if they have to.

Coleman leads by 503 votes you lying democratic ASSHOLES!

"Coleman leads by 503 votes you lying democratic ASSHOLES!
#10 | Posted by ozzieoswald at 2008-12-03 05:48 PM"

Calm down. It all depends on by WHOM and WHEN a count is made. In the end, there'll be one certified count (regardless of your profane blathering).

"Coleman leads by 503 votes you lying democratic ASSHOLES!"

And not only that, but...

The Dems are just wasting money.
In the end, the Us Supreme Court will just give it to Coleman

Ozzie:
The count is not over yet, you lying ASSHOLE!

"Franken a funny guy" declares his lawyer Marc Elias.

Which lie is harder to believe. Hmmmm.

Franken people are bozos--

The Secretary of State has Coleman up 316 over Franken.

The Star has Coleman up then you go to the MN SoS and unable to get the link--my server keeps going down..

"The Star has Coleman up then you go to the MN SoS and unable to get the link--my server keeps going down.."

Thanks Hans--

So where on this chart does it show Stuart over Norm by 22?

"So where on this chart does it show Stuart over Norm by 22?"

I report, you decide:

So where on this chart does it show Stuart over Norm by 22?

#19 | Posted by MURPHY

That figure came from the Franken campaign, not the S o S. Looks like from Hans' link he's up by considerably more at this point.

Sorry--but I don't see 22 anywhere?

The numbers above show 11,170 Franken over Coleman.

Now--if THAT were the case--why isn't Franken doing his acceptance speech?

Something is really wrong here when the Star Tribune reports 316 Coleman over Franken

"Looks like from Hans' link he's up by considerably more at this point."

Murphy - as I said, the 22 figure came from Franken's campaign at some point earlier today.

The StarTrib number of 316 was as of the time the paper went to print sometime Tuesday night.

The SoS figure is about 18 hours more recent than that, as Hans indicated.

Clear?

San--I guess the number on the Star will change tomorrow?

Here is Norm Coleman's blog--lol

OH wait---

***(Okay, Maybe Not, But Al Franken Does Not Hold A Lead In The Recount)

They were going with the flow of Franken's statements. Got it....

Still funny.

MURPHY

You're a hoot !!

The DEMS won 7, maybe 8 Senate seats, more House seats, and the WH by a landslide. You think you're rubbing something in our eye? Ha ha ha ha

I hope Al Franken wins. Because - he's Al Franken.

AmericanUnity-
Murphy is storing up metaphorical canned goods and toilet paper as a fearless member of the conservative underground, or "Conservatism in Exile" as that cute TV boy Hannity has already described it -- so you'll have to excuse her inanity and excesses of rhetoric.

(Or not...)

I hope Franken wins because sometimes when I'm watching Bill O'Reilly on TV I have this odd desire to see the veins in his neck and forehead burst in an explosion of anger and gore. For "the folks", of course.

BETLEG

Some people need to get out of their bubbles and around normal people.

I watched a new show on FOX tonight called "Secret Millionaire". Multimillionaires who give at least $100,000 of their own money after living a week as a 'poor' person on $107 a week.

The lessons they learned were priceless. They thought 'poor people' (people who didn't have their bucks) were lazy. Turns out they found out those people were happy, helpful, generous, and kind.

Changed those millionaires lives to get a true perspective of what life is like for the average person in America. Both featured millionaires in tonight's episode had no idea what life was like without a Lear Jet or enough money to pay for food.

Changed those millionaires lives to get a true perspective of what life is like for the average person in America. Both featured millionaires in tonight's episode had no idea what life was like without a Lear Jet or enough money to pay for food.

#31 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

I watched this same show to say either group; the rich people or the less fortunate people were average in anyway is a gross over statement. Average people do not live on $107 a week or live in river bottoms or have children with debilitating disease and average people certainly are not millionaires. That being said I thought it was a decent show that displayed how we can and should help others no matter much or how little we have, and showed the basic decency of both the rich and less fortunate.

And guess what these people both the less fortunate and the rich gave out of their own accord not because the big government nanny state forced them to. After all charity by theft is not charity.

Let's just say I used 'Average' to mean anyone who struggles as most families do to make ends meet.

And guess what these people both the less fortunate and the rich gave out of their own accord not because the big government nanny state forced them to.

Had it not been for the show the millionaires wouldn't have done what they did.

You heard them talk about blowing $4000 on dinner, $1600 for a couple hour Lear Jet ride. Neither of these featured guests had ever spent time around people who weren't like them. That was obvious from their statements.

So, to presume the wealthy in America are helping out people who need it is ludicrous. Charity balls are about it for the most part.

The government must be there because most wealthy people rarely venture out of their own spheres of life, let alone give generously to individuals who need it. If millionaires were doing what the folks on that TV show were doing I might be able to concede part of your point, but facts are they aren't.

JSL-
I'm getting a bit tired of sunshine patriots who refer to taxes as theft as they wrap themselves in the flag and throw confetti.

More than a bit weary of it, to be quite honest.

I would say many but far from most. If most families are struggling to make ends meet. It means they are living outside of their means and some cut backs on non-essential spending should be thought about (cable, car note, cell phone bill hell any phone bill for that matter, ect.)Or god forbid you may have to get a 2nd or even 3rd job. Basic economics tells us your family will never get ahead if you spend more than you make.

JSL-
I'm getting a bit tired of sunshine patriots who refer to taxes as theft as they wrap themselves in the flag and throw confetti.

More than a bit weary of it, to be quite honest.

#35 | Posted by BetelG

I'm getting a bit tired of gloomy bleeding hearts who think they know how to spend other peoples money better than they do.

More than a bit weary of it, to be quite honest.

What the last thing you did for someone less fortunate than yourself? Other than piss and moan that others should be doing more.

JSL

Everything has gone up in price, but wages haven't.

Good luck getting that 2nd or 3rd job in this economy.

I remember a country where one person could support a family of 4 working in a factory. Since corporations are concerned about making quarterly profits, they shipped millions of jobs overseas. CEO's didn't take a cut in pay to help the bottom line, did they? In the last 20 years CEO pay has gone from 20X the average wage earner to 100 or 200 X's as much. Yet, they lay off Americans because they want to make another million in bonuses.

Greed is killing this country. But, keep up your right wing talking points.

My wife and I do pretty well, but even we notice the utility bills are 4 times as high as 8 years ago, milk has tripled, bread has doubled, health insurance going through the roof,....the price of everything has gone up. I can't imagine what it would be like for a family of four who'd like to send their kids to college while the price of everything has gone up exponentially.

I can't imagine what it would be like for a family of four who'd like to send their kids to college on the pitiful wages most people make while the price of everything has gone up exponentially.

I can't imagine what it would be like for a family of four who'd like to send their kids to college on the pitiful wages most people make while the price of everything has gone up exponentially.

JSL-
I've never bent to the "piss and moan" that you describe. I have grown weary of Republicans and their profligacy and failure combined with their selfishness. It's a poor mix, and reminds one of petulant teenagers one might see at the mall.

And if people do work 3 jobs people bitch about their kids who struggle in school or get in trouble.

It's a circle jerk. Greed is the problem. About time we started taking care of our own here in America. I don't shed a crocodile tear for a multimillionaire who's looking at a bigger jet.

JSL-
re: I'm getting a bit tired of gloomy bleeding hearts who think they know how to spend other peoples money better than they do.

Really? Such as the Republicans you voted into power who doubled the nat'l debt and increased the size of gov't to an inexcusable degree all the while whining about taxes, as you are so fond of doing?

JSL-
I've never bent to the "piss and moan" that you describe. I have grown weary of Republicans and their profligacy and failure combined with their selfishness. It's a poor mix, and reminds one of petulant teenagers one might see at the mall.

#41 | Posted by BetelG

Glad to see you think you can discern the political party people belong to. As for the Republicans go I couldn't give a fat babies dick about the Republicans just a bunch of big government conservatives poking their noses into people private lives where government does not belong.

And if you're having a hard time making ends meet maybe you should stay out of the mall then you won't have to worry about those pesky teenagers

JSL-
I am not "having a hard time making ends meet", nor have I said so, and I didn't ask your opinion of the Party you have repeatedly voted for. I merely pointed to some uncomfortable facts about the Party you enabled by your votes.

JSL

Admit it, it's getting where only the wealthy can afford college for their kids. Tuitions at $20,000 a year minimum. For anyone else to attend a decent university without help from their parents now leave $50-150,000 in debt.

Now, take the 80% who don't go or can't afford college.

The manufacturing jobs that paid $17 an hour are almost gone. But take one of those for example for a single person:

Take home pay $500 a week/$2000 a month.

-$850 for a decent apartment or mortgage on a small house.
-$150 for utilities (minimum)
-$100 a month for car insurance unless you're over 50
-$150 a month car payment on a halfway decent car that isn't breaking down with all those expenses
-$60 a month for phone
-$100 a month for gas for the car
-$200 a month for groceries

The list goes on. Now add kids and their needs - clothing, school stuff. Try making those numbers work for a single person making $12 an hour. The math doesn't work. It's not about going to the mall.

Most of those $17 an hour jobs are gone. Someone's lucky if they can get $12. For example, the meat packing industry used to pay $17 an hour, but those jobs are now done by illegals making minimum wage. Have CEO's cut their pay? Did meat companies lower the price of their products with the savings? No.

College kids who graduated last year can't find jobs, but have $100,000 in student loan debt. Gonna be that way for another couple of years. I was in NYC last year. The financial district had thousands of H-1B workers from India and China doing jobs that used to pay Americans a living wage. So, it's not just outsourcing, but insourcing as well.

Greed. It's all about greed.

I would say many but far from most. If most families are struggling to make ends meet. It means they are living outside of their means and some cut backs on non-essential spending should be thought about (cable, car note, cell phone bill hell any phone bill for that matter, ect.)Or god forbid you may have to get a 2nd or even 3rd job. Basic economics tells us your family will never get ahead if you spend more than you make.

Now this sounds like someone who really really whole heartedly understands what it really really means to live from pay check to pay check.

This guy is really on top of real world trench trudging working folk.

And if people do work 3 jobs people bitch about their kids who struggle in school or get in trouble.

It's a circle jerk. Greed is the problem. About time we started taking care of our own here in America. I don't shed a crocodile tear for a multimillionaire who's looking at a bigger jet.

#42 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Really my Father has worked 2 jobs since he got laid off in the 1983 when the bottom fell out of the oil market here in Houston I did well in school and didn't get in trouble. I can remember my Father feeling like a bum when he had to go cash his unemployment check back then, so he went out and started mowing peoples yards, moving people, picking up cans, stripping wire to sell the copper and anything he had to do to support his family of 4. I cant tell you how much tuna casserole we ate back then so much that I cant stand the sight of the stuff, and when he got his job back he continued to mow yards for the extra money to send my sister and myself to school and still does to this day he's the hardest working man I know and never complains he says it was all worth it because he is able to see my sister at 38 and myself at 31 not have to work as hard as he does. But believe me if I had to I would work that hard to support my family.

This guy is really on top of real world trench trudging working folk.

#47 | Posted by moneywar

Or living off an inheritance, or at his parent's house.

JSL

My dad worked in a factory in 100 degree heat. He did without so we could have the necessities and some of the wants. It killed him when he was 62.

However, when I went to college it cost $600 per quarter plus books. That same Pac 10 University is sky high now, so students are forced to borrow to the hilt. What a sucky way to have to start off your life.

I respect hard work like your dad did/does. My dad's efforts led to my having a life better than his. Hope yours is going OK.

But, it's going to get harder and harder for anyone - college education or not - to make ends meet. If your on your own, working, and making ends meet - good for you. Too many people who have too much month at the end of the money. Companies are sending white and blue collar jobs overseas by the tens of thousands a month.

Wait til you get married. Wait til you have a baby or two. You may be singing a different tune.

JSL-
I am not "having a hard time making ends meet", nor have I said so, and I didn't ask your opinion of the Party you have repeatedly voted for. I merely pointed to some uncomfortable facts about the Party you enabled by your votes.

#45 | Posted by BetelG

So now you know who I've voted for. My point was I've never voted for a Republican except in this last primary when I voted for Dr. Ron Paul the only politician from either of the two major parties worth voting for since I've been voting

Comparing the economic time of 1980's to the economic times now shows some real stupidity.

We have a real problem in this country and those who just can't admit and accept that there is a problem will never be part of the solution but be part of the problem.

America is one of the idiotic countries in this world that between 30 and 45 year olds are better educated than that younger generation. If you don't see this as a problem you are part of the problem.

JSL-
You are 31 and you've never voted for a Republican? Did you vote for anyone in '96 or 1998, or 2000, or 2002, or 2004, or '06?

AMERICANUNITY

Thanks for your kind words about my dad he just turned 57 and is in good health execpt for the hearing loss he suffers from working in a metal fabricating shop for over 30 years. My condolences about your father thats too young for anyone to go and I respect his hard work for the benefit of your family. On that much we can agree.

MONEYWAR

I agree with you.

If my dad hadn't made barely enough to support a family of four, my mom would have had to work. Without her constant goading to get my homework done or practice the piano I might have not done as well in life.

When both parents have to work the kids don't get the same level of attention they used to.

Greed. It's all corporate greed. Americans should be able to make a living wage college or no college. We know about manufacturing jobs that have disappeared, but how many hundreds of thousands of white collar jobs like computer programming are now done overseas?

JSL-
You are 31 and you've never voted for a Republican? Did you vote for anyone in '96 or 1998, or 2000, or 2002, or 2004, or '06?

#53 | Posted by BetelG

Certainltly did 96 and 2000 Harry Browne 2004 Michael Badnarik and 2008 I wrote in Chuck Baldwin I couldnt bring myself to vote for Bob Barr because he looks kinda sleazy.

JSL

I'm younger than your dad, but I remember how things were in America not that many years ago.

Thank you in return for your kind words about my dad. If anyone deserved to live to 90 it was him. He was looking forward to retirement, but the hours and stress of his job killed him much too young. He was and is my hero.

I make more than he could have dreamed of, but it's all due to his and my mom's hard work, sacrifice, and dedication to ensuring we could have a better life. It used to be that way: Every parent wanted their kids to have a better life. That dream is slipping away slowly but surely though. Walmart for $10 an hour won't cut it. White collar jobs are disappearing too. Engineering, computer programming, drafting, many fields have moved and are moving overseas so some corporate CEO or wealthy stockholder living off their investments can make a few more bucks.

Meanwhile the American dream is dying.

Comparing the economic time of 1980's to the economic times now shows some real stupidity.

We have a real problem in this country and those who just can't admit and accept that there is a problem will never be part of the solution but be part of the problem.

America is one of the idiotic countries in this world that between 30 and 45 year olds are better educated than that younger generation. If you don't see this as a problem you are part of the problem.

#52 | Posted by moneywar
Do a little research about the economy especially in the oil feild business here in Houston in the early to mid 1980's then get back to me?

Jackass

JSL

I want to mention that I walk the walk myself. Although I could get by with paying people who work for me a lot less, I pay them handsomely - what's fair for their talents. Do I miss the money I might have kept? Not really. God provides all I need. I've never had less than exactly what I needed. And even when the sky was dark, and I didn't see how a situation could possibly work out, just like clockwork it would come. My daily bread. I don't have my eye on a Lear Jet or anything. :-)

I make more than he could have dreamed of, but it's all due to his and my mom's hard work, sacrifice, and dedication to ensuring we could have a better life. It used to be that way: Every parent wanted their kids to have a better life. That dream is slipping away slowly but surely though. Walmart for $10 an hour won't cut it. White collar jobs are disappearing too. Engineering, computer programming, drafting, many fields have moved and are moving overseas so some corporate CEO or wealthy stockholder living off their investments can make a few more bucks.

Meanwhile the American dream is dying.

#57 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Well we're both in the same boat as far as making more than our parents but thats what they worked so hard for.

I can't disagree with most of your statment.

As far as the American dream goes if people only want to work 40 hours a week and do the minimum of their job requirments they will never reach it the American dream is alive and well you just have to work hard for it.

Do a little research about the economy especially in the oil feild business here in Houston in the early to mid 1980's then get back to me?

That really addressed what I said, you proved my point. You are not part of the solution but part of the problem.

I am glad to see that the oil field business in the 80's equates to the now economy. You are the one who needs to do research.

Oh, I am also confused about your father. Either he worked oil and got layed off and worked a bunch of jobs and then got hired back on oil or he worked in a metal factory????

If you're going to make up stories at least keep them straight.

I want to mention that I walk the walk myself. Although I could get by with paying people who work for me a lot less, I pay them handsomely - what's fair for their talents. Do I miss the money I might have kept? Not really. God provides all I need. I've never had less than exactly what I needed. And even when the sky was dark, and I didn't see how a situation could possibly work out, just like clockwork it would come. My daily bread. I don't have my eye on a Lear Jet or anything. :-)

#59 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

See you made the American dream a reality for yourself. I'm sure it took working a lot more than 40 hours a week to start your business.

Trust me I'm not saying that the economy is good operating an art gallery and custom picture framing shop I know this all to well. My few employees get paid very well for their craftsmanship and talent they always get paid before I do which means I may not get a pay check every week but we're doing fine. I thank God every night for them and our clients.

JSL

You're still young an idealistic. It's good to be idealistic, but realistic is more important.

I'd be interested to see how you feel in 20 years when your employer has moved your job overseas, a family illness strikes, or any number of the other ONE things that can ruin a life in this day and age of no job security and ever increasing prices on everything..

America's on a downward curve.

As far as the American dream goes if people only want to work 40 hours a week and do the minimum of their job requirments they will never reach it the American dream is alive and well you just have to work hard for it.

Now, who needs to do research here.

Look up the nation labor hours of work which is going down and you will find not even 40 hrs is being offered.

Trust me I'm not saying that the economy is good operating an art gallery and custom picture framing shop

Good you found a niche for yourself. There will always be people who buy art. Not as many now as 10 years or even 5 years ago.

However, the average Joe doesn't do what you or I do

Can your employees afford to buy a house?

Oh, I am also confused about your father. Either he worked oil and got layed off and worked a bunch of jobs and then got hired back on oil or he worked in a metal factory????

If you're going to make up stories at least keep them straight.

#61 | Posted by moneywar

Hey jackass do you think all those metal things they work with in the oil field build themselves?
Yes he was laid off for about two years then got his job back and continued doing other work as well.

JSL

I wanted to add that my dad couldn't afford to help with university.

If I'd had to come up with what it costs these days I wouldn't have been able to go. As it was I worked three jobs, taught piano lessons, and got a small grant. Had I had to graduate with $100,000 in student debt I don't know what I'd have done.

Education is yet another one of those items like health care and energy that always rise higher than the rate of inflation or wage increases.

Also, I wanted to know if your employees can afford to buy a house on what you pay.

Maybe not a McMansion but certainly a house although 3 are married women and have working husbands 1 is a retired gentleman that works 3 days a week because he loves it not because he has to and 1 is a college student who's been with us since he was 16 he works part time but he can afford an apartment at least.

Now I am the jackass for callin you out and requesting you back up your fabricated statements with some little known facts.

All the solipsism you use don't make the actual facts and I kind of needed to point that out to you.

Thanks for the answer JSL

I was making the point that most unskilled jobs don't pay a living wage.

Corporate greed is eating this country bite by bite.

The CEO's and COO's haven't taken a pay cut ever.

JSL,

You didn't answer the question, people all live somewhere but can they afford a house?

My guess is they can't, you can't seem to part what you pay per hour so the standing information says ...... probably not. What 10 buck per hour? 12 maybe.

The question really isn't the pay but it certainly shows you lack of understanding of real world main street people.

The fact that you think people should be working multiple jobs to make ends meet and less time with family shows the lack of understanding you have for America's ills.

Most companies aren't paying a living wage these days.

Everyone in the family has to work to make ends meet. Barely in the majority of cases.

Your housewives have insurance through their husbands I'd guess. If not, they're screwed. You can't afford to buy health insurance I'd guess too.

That's one of the main problems these days. Health care rises 8-11% per year, and it's not really a 'health care system'. It's a "chronic disease system" where cures aren't really sought. That'd cost them all too much money.

Last real disease cured? Polio in the 1950's

AU,

It used to be those jobs were skilled jobs until the elite cronies at the top decided they needed to off shore those jobs so unskilled became the title.

America is having difficulty gaining engineers because they are getting off shored too, but is it unskilled there?

Just look at the problem on wall street and the finances, most of those people are working in that arena and their schooling has nothing to do with the economics and finance. Why.......pay!

For the last 60 years 1/3 of our nation is higher educated and it is still that way today but in the wisdom of people like JSL we are banking our entire country's economy on those 1/3 and fucking the rest of the nation.

True posterity thinking there.

If I'd had to come up with what it costs these days I wouldn't have been able to go. As it was I worked three jobs, taught piano lessons, and got a small grant. Had I had to graduate with $100,000 in student debt I don't know what I'd have done.

#68 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

So why don't you think people should have to do this now. I just looked up the cost of a full academic year 2 semesters at 32 hours per semester at a school in the Texas State University System $13986 for 2008 seems feasible that it could be paid for by doing what you did and the person would appreciate more than if their parents paid for all of it.

JSL's ignorance shines through again.

26,000 for just tuition, not books, housing, food or any medical expenses but again doesn't understand that we are failing our younger generation by pricing it over their heads.

Bringing up your solispism as some nostalgic goodness to teach our younger generation a lesson in how to live through hard times is just idiot.

Maybe you should walk to work up hill both ways in the snow for 10 miles eh!

Not a chance JSL

Have you ever taken a full load at a university?

When I went it cost $1800 for a calander year (3 quarters). Far cry from $13986. Sorry, wages haven't kept up with tuition or inflation of anything else.

If you're living off campus, you have to pay rent, put gas in the car, buy books, eat. Don't get sick!! Hope your car holds together!!

I went without eating a lot of days because I couldn't afford it.

Now I am the jackass for callin you out and requesting you back up your fabricated statements with some little known facts.

All the solipsism you use don't make the actual facts and I kind of needed to point that out to you.

#70 | Posted by moneywar

No your a jackass because you can't help it. What fabricated statements do you refer to?

At least with AU I can have a decent resepctable debate but not with people like you.

Working three part time jobs and going to school full time I didn't get much sleep either. But, I couldn't do it with today's tuition costs.

JSL

Read my #77 post (with the misspelled 'calender' LOL)

(I'm playing free online poker and watching TV. Too much multitasking going on LOL)

I never realized there were so many nutjobs in minnesota to vote for the half wit freeky franken.

JSL,

I have no problem with reasonable debate, just don't make up stories and pander out solipsic ideas as facts and how things should be.

It tells me you don't even begin to grasp the problems that face this nation and that is what's truely the problem.

Requesting someone to use the hand crank drill instead of coming up to modern ages is not a way to correct our current problems.

You are right we don't pay for insurance for the ladies because they have it and the retired man has his own. I do pay for my insurance I do pay for insurance for our partimer and don't dock his pay for it except for the difference between the cost for a smoker and nonsmoker I told him if he quits smoking we'll pay for it all, and when we hire someone else they will get the same deal.

Hahaha Franken may steal this one!!

MONEYWAR

What made up stories or fabricated statements?

It used to be those jobs were skilled jobs until the elite cronies at the top decided they needed to off shore those jobs so unskilled became the title.

America is having difficulty gaining engineers because they are getting off shored too, but is it unskilled there?

MONEYWAR

You're right. My friend's son just graduated from a top university last year with an engineering degree. Hasn't found a job yet. Still living at home and working so he can pay his massive student loan notes.

Another friend was head of IT at a large insurance company. They just moved the entire operation to India. He's out of a job (as are 20 others in his department), but luckily he got some severence pay - enough to last a couple of years. No pension. 6 months of health insurance premiums.

MONEY

I followed the chronology JSL was laying out about his dad.

He's 31. The benefit of time will provide more perspective. Plus, he seems like a decent guy. How about going a tad easier? :-)

You are right we don't pay for insurance for the ladies because they have it and the retired man has his own

JSL

If those ladies were men working to support a family what would they do for health insurance? How would they pay for a family's needs?

I'm just making the point that most jobs, such as you offer, are not 'living wage' jobs.

America is bleeding them left and right.

You are right we don't pay for insurance for the ladies because they have it and the retired man has his own. I do pay for my insurance I do pay for insurance for our partimer and don't dock his pay for it except for the difference between the cost for a smoker and nonsmoker I told him if he quits smoking we'll pay for it all, and when we hire someone else they will get the same deal.

I call bull shit again. You don't pay insurance on the part timer and the fact you feel the need to misspeak on the subject again makes you look the idiot.

Come on man, at least be a little honest here.

AU,

I know I should go a tad easier but it is the youngs ignorance that is causing half the problems within the country.

They make blind solipsic stands like it is fact and bull head their thoughts as to being nation wide and further cause problems by not informing themselves as to the actual facts.

It is clearly their lack of education.

MONEYWAR

Well, you know that song ...."Kids, whatta ya gonna do about kids today?"

He seems like a good guy. Wisdom comes with years. I'm just REALLY lucky to be in the music biz, an industry that does OK even when times get tough.

I know I should go a tad easier but it is the youngs ignorance that is causing half the problems within the country

Remember The Beatles

Love man. All we need is love.

His dad an my dad's stories are similar. I can relate to how he grew up.

I lost my dad when I was 22. It's funny how he got smarter the older I got through the years LOL

hey make blind solipsic stands like it is fact and bull head their thoughts as to being nation wide and further cause problems by not informing themselves as to the actual facts.

MONEYWAR

He isn't a wingnut Rushbot. That's refreshing. The right wing here plug their ears and go "Bla la la la la la la la .... I'm not going to listen to you! Bla la la la la la la la" no matter how you present facts to them.

JSL seems like a decent guy. Anyone from Texas who didn't vote fot Bush twice is OK in my book.

MONEYWAR

How dare you say I'm lying you don't know me. I said we do and that's all you need to know. Not everybody who disagrees with you is lying that's just a little conceded don't you think. The boy got knocked off his parents insurance we he turned 18 we got him insurance because we appreciate his work and talent and we hope he will come on full time after he finishes college. I mean if you're getting an art history degree I can't think of a better place to work than an art gallery. Anyway he's only 20 so it doesn't cost that much only about $400 every 3 months I think we can handle it.

Not all employers are mean greedy people you know.

O.K. It's been real and it's been fun but it hasn't been real fun.

I'm going to bed

Goodnight all

AU,

You are correct, I should ease up.

I am also fortunate in my position in aviation, I am in the elite class of heavy maintenance and will always have a job from the over all knowledge.

It is funny though that my skill is considered unskilled but we are the only ones in the world that do our work. Go figure!

JSL

Goodnight man,. It was a pleasure talking with you

MONEYWAR

Great field to be in! I'm an aviation buff BTW

MONEY

Just for the record, I consider what you do VERY skilled.

AU,

Thanks, most of the industry knows it is very highly skilled but the industry is trying to get offshoring done in south america and the likes.

I have most of my life worked the jumbo's but over the last few years working the puddle jumpers and by that I mean 737's and the like.

The problem now is getting enough people through A&P school and educated enough to do the complex work involved. Good thing the fAA mandates licensed to number of nonlicensed employees.

Music world, nice.

Now that is a continuous changing industry.

MONEY

If they offshore to South America I'll quit flying. I want to know YOU'RE keeping it tip top here in the U.S.

Luckily I have a pretty extensive skill set in music and work in many facets of music from television and films to the record biz. Never been out of work in all my years. I have a recording studio too, so if the composing thing slows down (which is primarily what I have the studio for) I can record other people. I also do a lot of 'library music' - i.e. music they can license per use. If you've ever watched TV you've heard some of my work.

As a student myself, I will be entering college in a few months. Do you know what the state schools will cost me? ~16,000 a year (this of course is without any financial aid). While there are many, many programs out there to help poorer people get into even the moist basic of education programs, the fact still exists that people cannot always get in for the cost.
This used to not be a problem because of the large market for jobs which hire without an eductional requirement, but those jobs are going overseas. So, even though your fathers may have worked their fingers to the bone to help you guys, that opportunity is not being given to people today.
I personally would like to see a privatized alt. energy company out in the midwest which would pretty much provide a non-outsourcable work opportunity.

should read.

Fraken, STEALS lead and vots.. lol if ya voted for that idiot, .. out.. just end your life, stop , your nothing more than a bag of flesh taking up space and just need to to us and the rest of the country a favor. lol

to the student. get a job. . i had a job to pay for my college, yea it was cheaper, but i only made a few bucks and hour. its called work.. stop playing, watching TV , screwing around, and maybe for once you will learn, hard work, effort is what gets you there, not, .. /cry . waaaaaa mom and dad give me money.. waaaaa someone give me money.. my internet is down..

The Star Tribune has Coleman up still at 316.

Fraken, STEALS lead and vots.. lol if ya voted for that idiot, .. out.. just end your life, stop , your nothing more than a bag of flesh taking up space and just need to to us and the rest of the country a favor. lol
#104 | Posted by kc101 at 2008-12-04 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son."

"should read.

Fraken, STEALS lead and vots.. lol if ya voted for that idiot, .. out.. just end your life, stop , your nothing more than a bag of flesh taking up space and just need to to us and the rest of the country a favor. lol

to the student. get a job. . i had a job to pay for my college, yea it was cheaper, but i only made a few bucks and hour. its called work.. stop playing, watching TV , screwing around, and maybe for once you will learn, hard work, effort is what gets you there, not, .. /cry . waaaaaa mom and dad give me money.. waaaaa someone give me money.. my internet is down..
#104 | Posted by kc101 at 2008-12-04 10:44 AM"

Uh..., are you having a stroke kc101?

MINNESOTA ,THE SAME DUMBASS STATE THAT VOTED FOR JESSEE VENTURA

Minnesota: Americas Special Ed. Class

(but i bet it still beets living in Illinois.)

As of tonight's recount total Franken is ahead by a little over 4500 votes with 98.88% counted. Also note Franken already withdrew his campaigns contested ballots from contention.

Here's a link to the MN Sec of State page for this recount:

Happy days are here again.
The skies above are clear again.
Let us sing a song of cheer again.
Happy days are here again!

MINNESOTA ,THE SAME DUMBASS STATE THAT VOTED FOR JESSEE VENTURA

#108 | Posted by reinsurelaw

"...the CAFR may indicate, in whole, the same government entity, has many facets possessing large holdings considerably over what is shown in a budget report or the "general fund" alone. A few examples from recent history include, Jesse Ventura's returning 1.8 billion dollars (from the 8 billion targeted by him) of the government surpluses to voters as governor of Minnesota"

this is all a set up so that when the totals come out and show coleman winning ..barely...then he will have some sort of base to launch his challenge on in the courts.
and this reminds me of a subject from the other day
so someof you who want al fuckkin frankin to be a senator from minn actually thought that georgians should be embarrassed when they elected chambliss???

you have GOT to be kidding

"this is all a set up"

I guess the MN Secretary of State must be in on it then, since that's where the vote tallies come from.

"so someof you who want al fuckkin frankin to be a senator from minn actually thought that georgians should be embarrassed when they elected chambliss???"

Yeah! Remember when Al Franken derided that multiple-amputee war veteran as a coward and unpatriotic?!

I fully expect Franken to win...one way or another ~ because he most likely has the votes.

Coleman's history is well known.

It's time for something new & Franken can do better than Coleman ever did as another traitor Senator for Bush mostly, rather than Minnesota interests.

As soon as they announced there would be a recount, I knew votes would "appear" for Franken. If he won legitimately, good for him. The fact that this was so predictable makes me think he didn't.

Yeah! Remember when Al Franken derided that multiple-amputee war veteran as a coward and unpatriotic?!

#115 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008

'and again as I said over and over at the time

only an idiot would not salute the sacrifice of the senator you are referring to

but that DOES NOT GIVE ME CARTE BLANCHE for the rest of his life and doesnt mean that you can never say A WORD AGAINST him in a political fight

and isnt this a FORE SHADOWING of things to come when there is a black in the white house?>?????

"...someof you who want al fuckkin frankin to be a senator from minn actually thought that georgians should be embarrassed when they elected chambliss???"

Well, fact is that you can't embarrass Minnesotans. Al Franken would fit in nicely with the Muslim senator they elected last time. Besides, our little leftist-socialist friends are good at electing comedians.

ah joe

one this close you can count on a court battle either way the results go so it wont be a surprise to me either way

BUT NOTICE how the people here who STILL slobber all over themsleves when you type this in

BUSH WINS FLORIDA...........

you will notice they are election fraud experts but when you bring up the possibility of thier involvement in voter fraud

well you cant say anything bad about veterens are a minority or ANYTHING LIBERAL

IM tellling........they are as easy to read as a book with large print and lots of pictures

"the Muslim senator they elected"

...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States...

"Besides, our little leftist-socialist friends are good at electing comedians."

Who told you that? Sonny Bono? Gopher? Alan Keyes?

"Al Franken would fit in nicely with the Muslim senator they elected last time."

Tsk tsk tsk.

Well, fact is that you can't embarrass Minnesotans. Al Franken would fit in nicely with the Muslim senator they elected last time. Besides, our little leftist-socialist friends are good at electing comedians.

#119 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2008

AAAAAAAAAHH NO SHIT SHELOCK

only problem is that those comedians have a majority and ALMOST a lock/

(THANK YOU VOTERS OF GEORIGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

"well you cant say anything bad about veterens"

Unless the veteran is a republican or a conservative. Remember, these are the same assholes who totally trashed McCain, aren't they?

Double standard....nawwwww

"Who told you that? Sonny Bono? Gopher? Alan Keyes?:"

I can't remember if it was Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, William Jefferson or Barbara Boxer. I mean, there are so many....

I can't remember if it was Barney Frank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, William Jefferson or Barbara Boxer. I mean, there are so many....

#125 | Posted by jestgettinalong

Maybe you were thinking of Ted Stevens, David Vitter, Katherine Harris, Larry Craig, or Duke Cunningham?

"Remember, these are the same assholes who totally trashed McCain"

You're joking, right? Much of the trashing came from ridiculing the McCain camp for using his POW experiences as a reason for everything: his adultery, his stance on health care, not knowing how many homes he owns....

...Oh, and did I mention he was a POW?

Who told you that? Sonny Bono? Gopher? Alan Keyes?

#121 | Posted by Danforth at 2008-12-05

DAMN IT TO HELL

I just FUCKIN HATE It when some liberal yahoo..

posts something funny like this

nice one

You're joking, right? Much of the trashing came from ridiculing the McCain camp for using his POW experiences as a reason for everything: his adultery, his stance on health care, not knowing how many homes he owns....

...Oh, and did I mention he was a POW?

#127 | Posted by Danforth at

oh please OPEN YOUR EYES...pardner

people on tv are STILL trashing mccain........and sarah

I guess the MN Secretary of State must be in on it then, since that's where the vote tallies come from.

#114 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

well remember about the ohio lady who held the same office and told election people to ignore the hoopla about acorn and thier registration frauds??

and were you one of the many libs here who kept on and on about michael whatshisname who had the job in ohio before her

so are you saying that ohio had voter fraud when the republican was there but a DEM would never be a part of that???

holy shit

just look at all of the CONSPIRACY things I just brought up

never mind

ITS FRIDAY>.............

"people on tv are STILL trashing mccain."

Well they shouldn't...because he was a POW, did I mention that?

oh please OPEN YOUR EYES...pardner
people on tv are STILL trashing mccain........and sarah

~ BUSHLOVERTWO

LOL Where?

Most would say McCain who, and Sarah well She can't stop looking for a lime light ANY Lime Light..

Well, fact is that you can't embarrass Minnesotans. Al Franken would fit in nicely with the Muslim senator they elected last time. Besides, our little leftist-socialist friends are good at electing comedians.

#119 | Posted by jestgettinalong

you mean Congressman Keith Ellison?

Well they shouldn't...because he was a POW, did I mention that?

And Who was left to keep watch on Putin?

The recounting is done with an exception--

"until the challenged ballots are accounted for the numbers will not be known. Pulling the challenged ballots out of the count muddies up the numbers. Only when we know their disposition can we determine if the final numbers will be close to what they were on election day. Saying anything else is pure spin."

posted by drich on Dec 5, 08

From Murphy's post link

As of tonight's recount total Franken is ahead by a little over 4500 votes with 98.88% counted. Also note Franken already withdrew his campaigns contested ballots from contention.

Here's a link to the MN Sec of State page for this recount:

electionresults.sos.state.mn.u
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#110 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

4,500!?!! Wait a sec. I just heard yesterday that Coleman was ahead by a few hundred votes. How in the world could it turn around to such a large deficit?

This says Coleman is ahead by 300 votes.

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Dems always come up with another batch of missing ballots.

They are searching the church and the diptsy dumpster and the mouse's house.

And I don't know what is going on with the MN SoS site--but it is all confused and does not match anything that is going on.

4,500!?!! Wait a sec. I just heard yesterday that Coleman was ahead by a few hundred votes. How in the world could it turn around to such a large deficit?

#137 | Posted by everlong

People have been quoting the Star Tribune numbers. These are from the Secretary of State. We'll see how things shake out.

Franken's campaign withdrew their question on many of the questionable ballots. The Secretary of State's tally is the only one that counts.

They had some ballots on Matthews show yesterday and one Dem and one Repub trying to decide the intent.

It was pretty funny--

One thing for sure--it's a subjective process.

The numbers on the MN SoS cite do not compute.

If they were the correct numbers--Franken would be on the news saying he won.

I hope Franken can steal this to teach the repubs a lesson for their misdeeds in 2000.

And I don't know what is going on with the MN SoS site--but it is all confused and does not match anything that is going on.

#140 | Posted by MURPHY

And what's going on Murphy?

Do you still think Obama birth certificate is a worthy target?

ps I checking the ballots as I post...some stupid, some interesting...easy to be fair, though:>)

No matter how hard they try ..looks like this is one election the Dems can not steal....

"Yet at day's end, with 99 percent of the ballots counted, the gap separating Republican Sen. Norm Coleman and Democrat Al Franken was only 36 votes larger than it had been at the start. Coleman now leads by 251, according to Star Tribune tabulations."

I hope Franken can steal this to teach the repubs a lesson for their misdeeds in 2000. RASTANINJA

Worth repeating again and again - keep showing your true colors - obviously not red, white and blue by the nature of this comment.

It is nice to claim it. I claim that I own a mercedes. But when I look out the window it isn't in the drive way.
Come on... just because something is claimed doesn't mean it is true. Good try.