Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Thursday, December 04, 2008

"Without greater urgency and decisive action by the world community, it is more likely than not that a weapon of mass destruction will be used in a terrorist attack somewhere in the world by the end of 2013." -- a draft report by the Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism, a six-month investigation ordered by Congress

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Well, until January 20th, 2009.

Well, until January 20th, 2009.
#1 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

Right, because at that time all terrorists worldwide will drop their weapons, join hands with US soldiers and Israelis, and sing kumbaya.

"If we make it through December
Everythings gonna be all right I know" MH

It is also likely that in the future California will have a devastating earthquake.

It is also likely that in the future the Midwest will flood.

It is also likely that in the next several years the US will go bankrupt.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc...


It is also likely that in the future California will have a devastating earthquake.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc...
#4 | Posted by Prolix247

When asked what the percent chance of a nuclear or biological attack was, the task force replied "We think that there might maybe possibly be a 50.0001% of this happening...".

Well, we can help avert an attack by ceasing to interrogate terrorists forcefully or eavesdropping on their communications.

I know. The lefties told me so.

Fundo! You made a post that is only two sentences long!

Wow!


Well, we can help avert an attack by ceasing to interrogate terrorists forcefully or eavesdropping on their communications.

It would also help, since we're talking about policy, if we would stop funding terrorists ourselves.

Bull shit, and more bull shit.

Hmm, its not like this threat has changed much in the last 10 years. Let me guess, a new set of congressmen and sentators is due in along with a new President so we need to make funding gets approved.

Interesting that they said 2013. Predict too early and the chance is less, predict later and it looses its urgency.


The problem is how often we are told that some imminent attack is likely. Thank you cable news networks in need of ratings!

As long as there are crazy people and potent weapons, there is always a 50/50 chance that a crazy person will use a potent weapon. It sucks, but that's life.

Besides vigilance in discovering and destroying terrorist plots, the real weapon against terrorism is improving the economic balance of the countries in the middle east. People would have a lot fewer reasons to blow themselves up if they could eat something other than sand 7 days a week. A decent education also couldn't hurt...

Carried out by who? Answer that question and begin to focus heavily on people fitting the description.

YEAH!

And this coming from the G O V E R N M E N T you "lefties" want running your Health Care!

Oh, wait ------- wrong subject! Never Mind!

This Report is Iron Clad and should make every American want to run out and Torture somebody!

Sincerely
The I don't Trust Big Government "Sometimes" Crowd

To date, the largest perpetrator of biological attacks and sole perpetrator of nuclear attacks has been the United States. Perhaps the warning is intended to "sound the alarm" about what Dubya might do in the next 7 weeks. I'm thinking about the threat of using nuclear weapons to destroy the imaginary weapons program in Iran. (The beauty of such an attack is that everything is vaporized or made so toxic that investigation is impossible... therefore nobody can go back and point to faulty intelligence. "The weapons must have been destroyed because we can't find them anywhere!")

P.S. Please fulfill our funding request for the next year.

So basically Bush has accomplished nothing in the last 8 years?

That's a surprise. On the bright side, the Iraqi shia and their Iranian masters have taken their rightful position as political moral leaders in Iraq. Well worth a trillion dollars, 4,300 lives and reviving al queda...

don't worry NG, israel will take care of the iranian masters for us.

"To date, the largest perpetrator of biological attacks and sole perpetrator of nuclear attacks has been the United States."

When did we use biological weapons?

You libs are something else. You sarcastically comment about fear mongering when it comes to an issue like this. It's as if you just don't believe that there really are large groups of people who hate America and who plot, every single day, to find ways to kill us. You act as if it's impossible for them to be actively pursuing getting their hands on either a nuclear or biological weapon. You act as if they wouldn't use it if they do get their hands on one.

Sooner or later a huge attack is going to happen and it just may be you or a loved one at ground zero this time. I wonder how you will act then? Of course, if we believe you then no one has anything to worry about concerning an attack of this nature.

You libs are something else

^^^Post of the day award^^^

FACT!!!!

I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!!

Just wanted to get that out in the open.

but who did mumbai tosser?

why can't the pakistani gov admit it and work with the indian gov on the investigation?

#19 | Posted by everlong

Grow up.

mumbai tosser?

Is that a drink or a dance?

but who did mumbai tosser?


Ummm... "evil doers"???

from pakistan or india?

evil doers... fucked up little piss ants that like to kill innocents... whatever u want to call them

from pakistan or india?


From the ocean, they say.

You libs are something else. You sarcastically comment about fear mongering when it comes to an issue like this. It's as if you just don't believe that there really are large groups of people who hate America and who plot, every single day, to find ways to kill us. You act as if it's impossible for them to be actively pursuing getting their hands on either a nuclear or biological weapon. You act as if they wouldn't use it if they do get their hands on one.

~Everwrong

But, but, but Iraq has made the world safe from terrorists according to the Rtards around here!

Coupla thing here, Everwrong.

First, it is absolutely undeniable that BushCo shamelessly fearmongered America into buying into an unjust and unneccessary "War" in Iraq through a propaganda campaign of disinformation.

Second, that "War" has, indeed, only empowered the forces of religious extremism-based terrorism around the globe, but especially in the ME.

Third, nobody is saying that Terrorism isn't a threat just that it has been over-stated and is being used as the current justification for America to continue spending unsustainable amounts of money on the MIC who seem to run DC just as the previous "War on Drugs" and "War Against Global Communism" were before it.

Obviously, America needs to work to fight against the spread of terrorism but that begins by reducing the overall amounts of desperation and misery in places like the ME because that is the most compelling reason for people to sympathise with or join the terrorist community in the first place.

Yer absolutist arguments like "no one has anything to worry about concerning an attack of this nature" indicate a lack of WIN fer yer mental faculties and a complete FAIL in yer reasoning processes.

Ponder that.

Be Well.

the risks are real

we have never addressed any of them properly

give us more money

how long is pakistan going to allow said fucked up little piss ants to operate within its ISI... oops i meant in its country?

whatever u want to call them


That's what your War-Chimp calls them.

I am using English-to-Chimp dictionary.

so ur as bad at being straightforward as ur gov? and i thought euros liked to dance around the issues....


#19 | Posted by everlong

Grow up.

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

^^^Stung by the TRUTH!!!^^^


FACT!!!

well at least we can protect the leaders in our country..... whether they be chimps or not!

how long is pakistan going to allow said fucked up little piss ants to operate within its ISI


ISI doesn't employ terriers.

Just like the CIA never assassinates people.


mumbai tosser?


Is that a drink or a dance?


A contest not unlike dwarf tossing, but with a baked Paki.

A contest not unlike dwarf tossing, but with a baked Paki.


It wuz the Juden and Hindoo who got tossed, not me. LOL

and thats ok with you tosser?

come'on gimme any kind of insight you may have instead of dancing....

Spud, I appreciate your extensive knowledge on this and so many other subjects, but I just don't listen to arrogant lefties such as yourself. In other words, your words mean nothing to me because you, more often than not, miss the meaning of any given topic yet you act as if you grace this board with your mere prescence.

And, Doc, great reply there.

and thats ok with you tosser?


"All is well that ends well"... Shakespeare.

come'on gimme any kind of insight


Learn to read better Bubba...

Insights a plenty.


"To date, the largest perpetrator of biological attacks and sole perpetrator of nuclear attacks has been the United States."

When did we use biological weapons?

The United States has been accused of using biological weapons in the Korean War. Agent Orange in the Vietnam war was a chemical weapon that was used as a "herbicide"; the biological aspect is the environmental devastation that led to a surge in disease among the Vietnamese. Cuba has repeatedly accused the US of using bio-weapons to spread disease among its livestock and has filed grievances against America in the United Nations. The 2001 anthrax attacks in the USA, which are "solved" but only because the government found its official fall-guy, was a form of bio-terror.

...I just don't listen...

~Everwrong

Yeah, we kinda figured that out a while ago.

Although, fer the benefit of the DR's newcomers it's nice of you to reconfirm it with every post you make.

If nothing else, at least yer consistent.

Consistantly wrong.

Hence Spud's little nickname fer yas.

Be Well.

"All is well that ends well"... Shakespeare.

#43 | Posted by Tosser

ur right.... but u may not like the way things end.

but u may not like the way things end.


Things have already ended.

Did you like how they ended?

things in your neck of the woods are far from over my friend.

so how come u don't want to talk about the way they will be played out over the next few years?

Or did you have some wet dream of a different kind of ending?

And, Doc, great reply there.
#42 | Posted by everlong

Thank you. But it was no more than your poorly informed views and unexamined assumptions, bespeaking squeaks and sqwaks from the fetid swamplands of faith-based reality, deserve.

i've got a pretty good idea of how they will end. i was hoping to hear your 'ideas'. but u'd clearly rather keep dancing

things in your neck of the woods are far from over my friend.


It's over... except the huffing and puffing. That will continue for a few days or weeks, I guess.


so how come u don't want to talk about the way they will be played out over the next few years?


Next few years?

I only think as far as my next fuck. Sorry.

Next few years?

I only think as far as my next fuck. Sorry.

#53 | Posted by Tosser

okay sorry, next few decades then...

i dunno how much huffing and puffing is going on in the tribal region... more like the hissing of US drones....

Tosser, you usually are a more honest poster on this site. I am a little surprised at your unwillingness to acknowledge that the participants of the Mumbai attack were Pakistani, and the planning appears to have been conducted in Pakistan, and the groups supporting the attack appear to be mainly currently based in Pakistan.
While this does not mean that the official Pakistani government backed the attacks (that we know of) it does mean that the Pakistani government and Pakistani people have an obligation to investigate those suspected of involvement and take action to prevent this from occurring again.
As Thomas Friedman pointed out in a NYT op-ed piece, thousand of Pakistanis took to the streets to protest some Danish cartoons about Mohammed. Yet strangely, not a single Pakistani or anyone in Karachi took to the streets to protest the murder of over a hundred non-Muslim innocents in Mumbai in an attack carried out by Pakistani extremists. The hypocrisy and immorality of the average Pakistani is obvious to anyone paying attention.

actually we've fixed that... its more of a low silent hum now.

i've got a pretty good idea of how they will end.


Do tell.

What is exactly going to happen in the next few years? What does your fevered Hollywood inspired imagination tell you?


but u'd clearly rather keep dancing


I don't think you can take a hint.

I was very politely trying to tell you, that you are not worth answering to.

There. You made me say it. So don't get all angry on me now.

Thank you. But it was no more than your poorly informed views and unexamined assumptions, bespeaking squeaks and sqwaks from the fetid swamplands of faith-based reality, deserve.

#51 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


That's odd, considering my views on what I wrote were formed by what I read right here on this thread. Are you contending that the left, on this thread, have not been saying that this threat is no big deal? That it is just business as usual? I guess we're reading different threads.

And instead of insulting me why don't you refute what I said instead? Please enlighten me as to how the left, concerning this topic, are not acting as if there is no real threat. Repeat after Michael Moore, 'there is no terrorist threat'. Am I to beleieve that this is not along the lines of what is being said here?

I am a little surprised at your unwillingness to acknowledge that the participants of the Mumbai attack were Pakistani


Where is the evidence?

The Govt of India has to provide the evidence to the Govt of Pakistan, so we can initiate a joint investigation.

Like our President said, "we have nothing to hide".


an attack carried out by Pakistani extremists.


If India is sooo sure they were Pakistani extremists, then they should have no problem in giving us their fingerprints. The FBI can double-check our database.

NADRA is one the largest databases in the world. if those fingerprints of the dead terriers are not there, then India will end up with egg on it's face.

Very simple. Make the fingerprints public.

And let us see if the attackers were circumcised or not.

funny, u keep asking me questions and responding to me with childish passive aggressive comments... ie dancing i call it. even though i'm 'not worth answering to'.

and if i had a fevered hollywood imagination then i'd tell you that jack bauer is on his way over and everything will be taken care of in 24 hours. alas, it will take a few years. hence my comment.

and i didn't know you were such an egoist

"The United States has been accused of using biological weapons in the Korean War. Agent Orange in the Vietnam war was a chemical weapon that was used as a "herbicide"; the biological aspect is the environmental devastation that led to a surge in disease among the Vietnamese. Cuba has repeatedly accused the US of using bio-weapons to spread disease among its livestock and has filed grievances against America in the United Nations. The 2001 anthrax attacks in the USA, which are "solved" but only because the government found its official fall-guy, was a form of bio-terror.


#45 | Posted by KnowsTooMuch"

Knowstoomuch, as a rule I tend not to get into conspiracy conversations. I've learned over many years there is no point.

A six-month investigation ordered by Congress.
The report, ordered by Congress last year.

This report was requested by the Democrat-Controlled House.

If you don't want to have bad news, don't ask for a report.

u keep asking me questions and responding to me


That is because "dancing" (as you put it), is fun and easy and at the same time is meant as an insult to someone of your level of understanding.

You Americans have no idea of how Asians make fun of you, do you? LOL

I mean, you are the one who keeps coming back. LOL

Yo yo.

i kinda did take it as an insult and i figured u thought you were making fun of my questions. ur so brilliant tosser. please keep enlightening me.

please keep enlightening me.


Didn't I just do that?

Dope. LOL

and i didn't know you were such an egoist


No... you may think of me as a sort of 'racist' (in a nice way, of course).

Simply.... I am Asian. You are not.

I believe in the theory that people of different races have different qualities and on average, I should be more than a bit smarter than most people here.

Means I can dance on your head when I want for as long as I want.

Dope.

I should be more than a bit smarter than most people here.

Posted by Tosser


Really? "Mushi's not going anywhere... trust me" Tosser?

do you think the perpetrators of the attacks in islamabad in sept were from pakistan? or did they come from the sea as well?

o you think the perpetrators of the attacks in islamabad in sept were from pakistan?


Do you think the perpetrators of 9-11 came from the US?

Really? "Mushi's not going anywhere


Just proves that other people in Pak are just as smart as me and forced the poor guy off his high-chair.

Unfortunately.

do you always answer a question with a question? the majority of the 911 perpetrators were saudi of course and a few from yemen i believe.

u see there aren't entire regions in the US where tribal gangs and international terriers are bread. there are pockets, like south central LA, but we keep them domestic and in check. u guys should try it.

do you think the perpetrators of the attacks in islamabad in sept were from pakistan?


Actually, I will answer this one.

We found three uncircumcised taliban in Swat, killed in one of our anti-taliban bombing raids.

That should be impossible... uncircumcised taliban... but there they were.

Get it? This is not proof, mind you. But it is a piece of the puzzle.

In all of the region... the nearest place where you get uncircumcised men, is India. LOL

the majority of the 911 perpetrators were saudi of course and a few from yemen i believe.


Living in the USA.

u guys should try it.


We try and succeed, but Afghanistan sneaks more of them into Pak.

Clearly the issue of his fellow countrymen's involvement with the attack on Mumbai strikes a chord too emotionally close to home for Tosser to analyze objectively. Everyone, including the Pakistani government is acknowledging what is already obvious to the U.S. and India.
Which is another way of saying that Tosser's proclamations on the topic are meaningless. He has entered his own little spin zone. (The same place rightwingers and BBob enter when confronted by unpleasant reality.)

well sure. i'm just glad he was finally straightforward... now thats progress!

Clearly the issue of his fellow countrymen's involvement with the attack on Mumbai strikes a chord too emotionally close to home for Tosser to analyze objectively.


I think you are too dumb to have understood my earlier post.

Where is the evidence?

We have laws here and evidence has to be provided.

The Govt said, that if indeed any Pakistani is involved, we will try them in Pakistani courts.

But in order for that to happen, evidence... at the very least, fingerprints... HAVE TO be provided.

If not, than it leaves India nowhere. They can keep baying at the moon for all we care.

his own little spin zone.


I think all agree that Americans are the masters of spin.

Poor little me can never come close. LOL

Now why is it that EVERY other thread that I get involved in goes from 20, 30 posts to over a hundred?

Even when it isn't worth all these posts? LOL

its worth it. i like to hear your objections, and i take them seriously. u have a good point regarding the lack of evidence coming out of mumbai. so far its the word of the last gunman and the way in which they went about the attack that leads india to point at Lashkar-i-Tayyaba. some finger prints would be nice.

Now why is it that EVERY other thread that I get involved in goes from 20, 30 posts to over a hundred? Even when it isn't worth all these posts? LOL

#82 | Posted by Tosser

Don't ask questions to which you know the answer.

leads india to point at Lashkar-i-Tayyaba.


If anyone in India gets indigestion, it is always "Lashkar-i-Tayaba". LOL

They have to do better than that.

Give us his fingerprints. Put them on a fucking webpage. Make it public.

so then what do you suspect tosser? that the attackers are indian mujahadeen and they just don't want to admit it?

Don't ask questions to which you know the answer.


I want to know if you know the answer.

Love, hate, fear, greed, hunger and sex.... the prime motivators.

Which one is it?

dancing tosser, dancing.

Which one is it?
#87 | Posted by Tosser

None of those. It's that you're good at what you do.

I think that 90% of what you post is role play and 10% is you.

that the attackers are indian mujahadeen and they just don't want to admit it?


Maybe.

Maybe, they are from Pakistan. Who the hell knows? The way the Indians are conducting the investigation, is ridiculous.

I think they got hit by some of their own terriers (they have no shortage) and since they couldn't do shit about them anyway, they took the easy way out and started blaming Pakistan even before they shot the first guy.

And looky here... LOL:

pakalert.wordpress.com

www.guardian.co.uk

Just get the fucker to drop his pants and put the pic of his cock on the internet.

That will be our first clue if he is from Pakistan. LOL

Get pics of the other dead terriers cocks too.

This is how we got THEIR people in Swat.

Uh huh, what they keep failing to mention on the news is that the commission said "SOMEWHERE in the WORLD"... The world is a big place and the US is not necessarily the center of it. Those who live on "Planet America" keep forgetting that fact. Sheesh. My bet would be India, Pakistan, the Middle East. You know, the current hot spots in the world that contain all those ticked off people, and I bet it's a great deal LESS than 50/50 too...


interesting. that photo is all over the media here, but no insight or mention of the red wrist band.

If you see any Bollywood movie, the hero often wears that thing.

There are many small things that tell the different kinds of people apart from other people in India-Pak.

We all have our little symbols.

I think that 90% of what you post is role play and 10% is you.


Want to know why?

It is because Americans are like wild horses.

You have ride them hard... tire them out... THEN they start talking like adults.

It doesn't happen at less than 50, 60, 70 posts.

"Are you contending that the left, on this thread, have not been saying that this threat is no big deal?"

No, I'm saying you're making assumptions about which neither you nor anyone else on this thread probably has much in the way of solid information.

"That it is just business as usual?"

The possibility of a threat? Yes, that has become "business as usual."

"I guess we're reading different threads."

Unlikely.


"And instead of insulting me why don't you refute what I said instead?"

There's nothing to refute. That's like asking me to "refute" your contention that there's a cheese factory beneath one of the Martian poles.

"Please enlighten me as to how the left, concerning this topic, are not acting as if there is no real threat."

What do you want people to do? Run around screaming, "There's a threat!"?

Here's a tip: Get yourself a bunch of color-coded flash cards, mix them up, pick them out at random and declare a color every day here. Then we can keep track.

I'll tell you one reason people sometimes fail to give "alerts" much credence: The Bushies "alerts" during the 2004 presidential election. Ever notice how those have dropped off, right after Election Day? Quelle coincidence, eh?

Anyhoo, here's some late-breaking news for you:

"sarcastically comment about fear mongering when it comes to an issue like this" is not, repeat not the same as saying you "don't believe that there really are large groups of people who hate America and who plot, every single day, to find ways to kill us."

"You act as if it's impossible for them to be actively pursuing getting their hands on either a nuclear or biological weapon. You act as if they wouldn't use it if they do get their hands on one."

You're reading things into people's comments that aren't there. That's your right. But it does tend to rob what you have to say of the gravitas necessary to give those remarks much weight.

"Sooner or later a huge attack is going to happen"

Very likely. But by no means a certainty. You make it sound like a certainty. What are using: I-Ching? Tarot cards? A Magic-8 Ball?

From Saudi Arabia. Some from Yemen.

Evidence found at the towers, a passport.

Yeah, right.

It used to be that those who were well informed were those who spent much time reading what the media had to offer them.

Now methinks that those who are the most informed are those who do not bother with the media much at all. They have a much easier time making logical and coherent decisions on matters that deserve attention.

This Mumbai affair has taken on mythical media proportions. Everyone has their own idea of events. People have spent hours reading all the info out there and made decisions on who did this and who did what, but still, when they come to their underwear drawer each morning, they puzzle over the choice between clean or soiled.

Democracy becomes tyranny the moment one can sway the majority into believing that what you want to do is the right thing to do. the only useful tool for getting this done is the mass media.

Many of those who do not toe the line can be easily diverted into lunacy into deception by way of silly fabricated conspiracy theories.

Shepherds and farmers, or the wise men on the hill so to speak and those without much access to this media therefore, must be eradicated. They are dangerous as witnesses to the common sense, straightforward approach to solve the world's problems..

There are subtle keyremarks in the mass media that proves that they have absolutely no fucking grasp on reality. The most obvious one to me in this whole Mumbai affair, so far, is labeling this bunch of goons as a "salafist group". When I heard that I knew it was a bunch of bunk written by a bastion of blathering buffoons bent on bloating the barmy brains of the backers of banal balatrons currently in office.

a "salafist group".


I agree that is just stupid.

All I want to see is if they are circumcised or NOT.

Then the fingerprints.

These things are very easy to do. And with all the media attention, Pakistan can't lie their way out of it.

Make it public... the penises and the fingerprints!

But India won't do that.

"Now methinks that those who are the most informed are those who do not bother with the media much at all." - K.G.B.

I think that's an attitude that's being hard pushed these days. I think the media still has, and will for a long time, a role to play in informing of current events. The degree of responsibility it displays may vary, but it's the best place to start re information. The key is to learn to develop multiple sources and to depend more heavily on info as given a few days, or some time, after the event. But I have not heard of a good starting point aside from the media.

Want to know why?

It is because Americans are like wild horses.

You have ride them hard... tire them out... THEN they start talking like adults.

It doesn't happen at less than 50, 60, 70 posts.

#95 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-12-04

Tosser, you really crack me up. You are soo right about this. I am having such a good laugh at the way you are pulling these guys chains.

And yes I am an American.

Bully! Huzzah! and keep up the good job :>)

Okay, Doc, you're right. No one has been responding to this article with snide remarks. No one is acting as if the author or the intelligence used in reaching the articles conclusion is just whistling Dixie out their ass. The reason I reached the conclusions I did about how the left treats today's threats is from hearing their responses many many times. Like I mentioned earlier, Michael Moore says there is no terrorist threat and this is, whether you want to admit it or not, many liberals point of view on the subject.

You say that I'm reading things into people's comments, which may be true but it is born out of experience with how the left treats things like this. I'm not trying to fear monger. What I am doing is being realistic. If we accept and adopt the left's way of reacting to and handling of threats, we may end up resting on our laurels which is a bad way to handle terrorism.

But, like I said, many on the left would rather claim that there is no threat of a nuclear or biological attack. Or, they say there's a fifty-fifty chance it will happen so what's the use of printing such articles. I say we would be doing a huge disservice to Americans if we do not continue to remind ourselves that there are people plotting to kill us.

Maybe you just say that we already know this so there's no need of being reminded. I say that's how guards are left down.

"the left"

I keep reading this phrase. I wish someone would define it, denote its parameters. Is it commies? socialists? liberals? everyone to the left of Johnson? All of the above? The socialists I've known have distinctly different views from the commies I've known. I know many liberals who sure as hell don't agree with Noah Chomsky or even Michael Moore. The European liberals I know view the American liberals as middle of the road. The views I've seen of people who define themselves as left of center have been all over the place. Or is this group some conspiracy outfit from one of JeffinD's conspiracy sites?

"Like I mentioned earlier, Michael Moore says there is no terrorist threat and this is, whether you want to admit it or not, many liberals point of view on the subject."

How many? How do you know?

"If we accept and adopt the left's way of reacting to and handling of threats, we may end up resting on our laurels which is a bad way to handle terrorism."

Are you referring to Bush's response to the August 2001 PDB? Because you do realize, don't you, that the worst terrorist attack to date to take place in the U.S.A. occurred on his watch?

"But, like I said, many on the left would rather claim that there is no threat of a nuclear or biological attack."

Who says that?

"Maybe you just say that we already know this so there's no need of being reminded. I say that's how guards are left down."

Here I think I probably take and agree with your point. I'm not for getting all Pollyannaish (sp?) about it. I think the desire on the part of some people to pull this stuff off is definitely there. I think they seek the capability to acquire the necessary weaponry, engage in the required planning, and execute such an attack. But I will not let them control my life. I sense you probably agree with me on that.


Funny you should bring up Bush not telling America that "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US" becuase the left went nuts over that and of course, just like you just did, blamed Bush for the attacks. But, when a report like this one is given to the public what do we hear from the left? Oh, it has just as much chance as happening as a coin flip. Just read the replies above. In other words, they aren't concerned with warnings in this case, only when it applies to Bush.

You ask how many. I'll just say thousands and I know because the mentality of some on the left is the same amongst 'thousands' of individuals. I also know because I have heard it many times with my own ears, either on boards like this or face to face. Don't try and use that old give me a link mentalilty because you know I'm right. Just like saying many on the right have the same mentality or talking points or viewpoints.

Who says that? I already gave you one example which is enough to comply with your question. And I realize where you are coming from because I am making generalizations and possibly assumptions, but I have no doubt that I am right in saying there are those on the left who don't think we are under real threats. Unless it's a threat that Bush didn't tell you about.

Maybe I can make my point more clear by saying this. The left acts as if anything that Bush puts out or that comes across as maybe rightwing they view as fear mongering and don't want to hear any of it. Rest assured though that after Jan. 20th any warning that is put out by that White House the left will view it as the Gospel and we wll hear nothing like we have on this thread. That I am sure of.

"Funny you should bring up Bush not telling America that "Bin Laden determined to strike in the US" becuase the left went nuts over that and of course, just like you just did, blamed Bush for the attacks."

I blame Bush for being asleep at the switch. He was in those days what he is now and has been throughout his presidency: out to lunch.

Did he cause the attacks? No. Did he do anything to get to the bottom of what he was being warned about? I have a feeling if he did his own self-serving handlers would've gotten word out about it by now. It's been seven years and, to date, not a peep.

"Who says that? I already gave you one example which is enough to comply with your question."

Oh, then that must mean that all the people on "the right" are as nuts a G. Gordon Liddy. You're really not doing much to clarify this.

"Don't try and use that old give me a link mentalilty because you know I'm right."

I'm not using that because I know you're right. Far from it. Here's a bit of late-breaking news: Michael Moore speaks for Michael Moore. That doesn't mean I don't agree with some of the things he might say, but it also doesn't mean I march in lockstep with him.

And anyway: Who is this "left" you keep talking about, Everlong? What beliefs must one have to be included under that heading? Are there gradations of leftiness? Consider this: From my perspecteive Barack Obama is middle-of-the-road to right of where I'd like him to be. I think of him as moderate to somewhat conservative. Go figure.

Okay. Here's a quote again. Michael Moore- " There is no terrorist threat". (Thunderous Applaus from the hundreds in attendance) Are you saying that those applaus meant that they disagreed with him?

The left I am speaking of this case, and yes there are gradations just like on the right, are the anti-war, unreasonable Bush hating, purporters of supporting the troops but in actions do not, blame America first crowd. In short, Michael Moore's fan base and anyone who is a regular at the Daily Kos. That left.

"Here's a quote again."

I would like to see a transcript. I would like to know what Moore said before and after the clip. I would like to know if he was asked a question and what that question was. In other words, I would like to know the context and more complete content. That seems an appropriate, legitimate, and altogether reasonable request.

"The left I am speaking of this case, and yes there are gradations just like on the right, are the anti-war, unreasonable Bush hating, purporters of supporting the troops but in actions do not, blame America first crowd."

Now you're not even making a sense.

"Here's a quote again."

I would like to see a transcript. I would like to know what Moore said before and after the clip. I would like to know if he was asked a question and what that question was. In other words, I would like to know the context and more complete content. That seems an appropriate, legitimate, and altogether reasonable request.

"The left I am speaking of this case, and yes there are gradations just like on the right, are the anti-war, unreasonable Bush hating, purporters of supporting the troops but in actions do not, blame America first crowd."

Now you're not even making a sense.

I'm not wiggling out of this, Everlong, but I've been at the computer most of the day. My eyes feel like tiny hot coals burning in their sockets. Time for some wine, dinner, and an early night reading a mystery about ancient Rome. I aplogize for being flip farther up the thread and hope we can continue, as Johnson would say---ah, Johnson (to be continued)---anon.

...the anti-war, unreasonable Bush hating, purporters of supporting the troops but in actions do not, blame America first crowd.

As opposed to the pro-unjust-war, unreasonable Bush excusing, purporters of supporting the troops but in actions really do not, Shame America First, torture justifying crowd" on the right?

Be Well.

#87 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-12-04 04:06 PM

want to know if you know the answer.

Love, hate, fear, greed, hunger and sex.... the prime motivators.

Which one is it?


Let'[s see. What would motivate Tosser?

Hmm. By his own declarations, he's a Casanova and a gourmet, so for you Tosser, it's sex and food, motivating you to do whatever you do. How do you secure your favors and repasts? Do you carry a sign reading, "Will post for sex and food?"

Are you motivated by religious ideology also? Well, maybe you'll declare yourself, and then again, maybe you won't.

Insh'allah.

#112 | Posted by dethspud at 2008-12-04 06:53 PM

As opposed to the pro-unjust-war...

That's an oxymoronic phrase. "Unjust war." It's undefined of course, but it has been repeated so often and in a context where it's had a semantic impact, and so has some utility.

"Unjust war" is just another meaningless phrase that is used along with others to mold public opinion without providing any rationale. But, it's an effective tactic, and for those pulling for the Islamics, it's worked. Let's see, the Communist movement had its "fellow travelers" operating to discredit and undermine the efforts of Americans to rebuff communism. What name would be appropriate for "pro-Islamo fascists?" Come on deth, you can devise a word or phrase, can't you?

... unreasonable Bush excusing ...

Another Bush worshipper? He knows that despite the derision that he has heaped upon Bush, Bush is the controller of all events in this world, from the rotation of the Earth to supernovae in the cosmos, and that Bush is malevolent and only interested in harming people. Is it true that "None dare call it paranoia?" After all, who wants to incur the wrath of a paranoid, who can come up with justification for any action he takes.
... purporters of supporting the troops but in actions really do not ...

Ah, more "off the wall" shit, deth. It's not related to any reality, just a string of words. "Purported supporters? How is it"purported," but not a real position? Oh, more nonsensical "free verse."
... Shame America First ...

Huh? How are Americans shamed? We're proud of our response. We're not yet devoid of our masculine nature. No wonder the European birthrate is decreasing so much. They must suffer from male hormone depletion. Emasculated men set the standard and establish values there.
... torture justifying crowd" ...

Oh course, deth is so "principled" that he'd rather die and have his loved ones (if he is in any personal relationships with humans) die rather than to discommode a terrorist or anyone else trying to kill them. That deth is so "principled," or is the word "maladapted" that he'd rather perish. Well, that's what he indicates. deth wants moderation and considers the welfare of the terrorists to be the primary and overriding value. Don't do all you can to interdict them. Lives of Americans be damned. Got it deth. You have defined yourself in Darwinian terms. How have you survived so long? Are you hypocritical and don't practice what you preach?
... on the right?

Gee deth, do you think that people "on the right" are the only ones sufficiently sensible to take measures to secure their well-being? I suspect that only "extreme" leftists are masochists with a death wish, and that there are people on the left also interested ins self-preservation. deth, whence the name? Are you demonstrating your affiliation with and veneration of Thanatos. What a monicker, "deth." Apparently it's appropriate as it conforms to your world view and seeming goals.

so for you Tosser, it's sex and food


Me cock is me compass. Where it points, there I be.

Bush's legacy is that he was president during the largest terrorist attack on US soil...EVER.

This is simply more of the Rumsfeld-type bullshit of 'We don't know where, We don't know when, but it's coming!".

Now you're not even making a sense.

#109 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


Hey, you asked. And I was getting tired myself and it was closing time for me. It's hard to put into words exactly who I am talking about, but there is a certain crowd on the left that spreads conspiracy theories, blames America first for any trouble in the world, and is usually very socialistic. They are pretty far left. I don't know how else to explain it.

"there is a certain crowd on the left" "are pretty far left."

Seems to me this is different than "the left". But, whatever. You are pointing out the excesses of thousands (maybe a few million). Which is more than acceptable. As long as the distinction is made that the reference isn't to everyone who is "left-of-center" or "left-of-Johnson" or Democrats in general. Just wanted to clear things up in my mind.

No, I'm not talking about everyone left of center. And it's possible that the people I was addressing on this board are not far left but, to me, they were coming across that way. There is no doubt that there are plenty on this board who are far left.

I don't know about "plenty". I do see some that are, some who'd be classified as libs, some who are vanilla left-of-center. I still haven't figured out yet who are liberal left and who are conservative left and who are just moderate left. BL2 never explains.

It's not the easiest to pinpoint someone's exact political phylosophy on a message board. I'll admit that I 'classify' some people quickly based on their argument on a given issue. If they say something that sounds far left to me I will usually lump them into that category. Not always though, but it's probably something I should be more careful of.

My problem is when I see someone bash Bush at every opportune, and inopportune moment, and this happens alot, I tend to throw them in a hard left position. I have a hard time believing that anyone who bashes so freely is anything but far left. And I realize that this may not be the case.

Do a search for 'Tosser' and 'foreskin' or 'circumcision'. He seems to have a fascination with it. You got a sick fetish going on with cutting off pieces of baby's dicks Tosser?

Bush has kept us safe, can Barry do the same?

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