belch

well boys as soon as this thread comes oN, I have to go

I just hope some of you saw the texans last night and see that they arent as bad as thier record might lead you to believe.

have a good one

the texans still suck. j-ville has just quit.

they dont suck when they are the 4th best offense in the league even with the most turnovers in the league

but you are right bout the jags quitting. they sure did that didnt they

BUT NOT UNTIL after they were beaten

The Jaguars are terrible. I don't know what happened to them. They were touted as a Super Bowl contender before the season began. This is why I'm against playing the games.

Ok. Berg made his SCOTUS attempt. Did Obama's team response yesterday to the certiori?

-I don't know what happened to them

Injuries to their starting interior OL is what I heard.

-This is why I'm against playing the games.

You are from the BCS?

WASHINGTON (Reuters) U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi met leading governors on Monday to discuss the size and shape of an economic stimulus package that one Democratic aide said was likely to cost around $500 billion.

I don't know what happened to them. They were touted as a Super Bowl contender before the season began.

You just answered yer own question.

Wot "happened to them" was that the "season began".

Jaguar? Wot's that?

Some type of Big Pussy right?

Be Well.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi met leading governors on Monday to discuss the size and shape of an economic stimulus package that one Democratic aide said was likely to cost around $500 billion.

Good. A $500 billion stimulus package -- enough to send every man, woman, and child in the U.S. $1 billion each with $200 billion left over.

Just in time for Christmas. Thanks, Nancy!

Mmmm, my coffee's perked and waiting.

actually that's about 1666 per person, chris, but I'm not gonna argue with you.

I heard an Idea from Newt Gingrich of all people that I liked. He said no Fed or SS taxes for six months. Imagine how much fatter your check would be.

CC, the only problem is she's going to let the Govenors play Santa.

Newt has several great ideas like that.

Newt has several great ideas like that

Here's some of them now...

"I heard an Idea from Newt Gingrich of all people that I liked. He said no Fed or SS taxes for six months. Imagine how much fatter your check would be."

Yeah working class folks would save 3-5 grand, wealthy folks would save millions.
NOT a good idea.
Instead why don't we do what the majority of teh people in the country just elected a president and Congress to do.....middle class tax cuts and let the Bush tax cut for the rich expire.

"Newt has several great ideas like that."

Newt's ideas helped dig the hole we are presently in.

actually that's about 1666 per person, chris, but I'm not gonna argue with you.

#13 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2008-12-02 12:27 PM

You can always argue with me over math in the morning 'cause if I haven't had my
coffee yet it's 100-1 you'll be right -- like you are now.

My uncaffinated brain never made it past "millions."

I'll try again again later. : )

How about rewarding those with a 700 pt. or better credit rating? Anyone with less than that deserves butkis.

"Yeah working class folks would save 3-5 grand, wealthy folks would save millions."

Unfortunately for you, Danni, that is how our tax system works. When taxes go up, "the rich" pay millions more - when they go down, "the rich" pay millions less. A moratorium on income taxes would be good for our country because it would put more money in the private economy without the federal reserve having to print any of it. Just because this goes against your hatred of rich people does not mean it is not a good idea.

CC, the only problem is she's going to let the Govenors play Santa.

#15 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-02 12:28 PM

In California that means the politicians will never let the people of my state see a dime of it.
Every cent will go to their pet projects and favored donors.

Yeah working class folks would save 3-5 grand, wealthy folks would save millions.
NOT a good idea.

I wouldn't mind an extra 3 to 5 grand.

In California that means the politicians will never let the people of my state see a dime of it.
Every cent will go to their pet projects and favored donors.

#23 | Posted by CalifChris

Same here. We'd end up with an Ethonal refinery and Light Rail train stop on every corner.

Same here. We'd end up with an Ethonal refinery and Light Rail train stop on every corner.
#25 | Posted by wisgod

I think ethanol is a bone thrown to the first caucus state, but what's the problem with Light Rail?

"I heard an Idea from Newt Gingrich of all people that I liked. He said no Fed or SS taxes for six months."

...nice and irrelevant. This Congress is not going to be stopped from spending by empty treasury...they just come up w/creative deficit spending. No simple fact of total financial demise or laws prohibiting raiding the treasury will keep this "drunken sailor" in check. We are living the history indeed-however, it is the same history we did not learn or forgotten.

working class folks - DUMMI

WTF is the working class DUMMI? I go to work. Have worked since H.S. - biggest bullshit class warfare term ever.

"A moratorium on income taxes would be good for our country because it would put more money in the private economy"

It would enable the wealthy to invest more in China. Instead of lowering taxes on the rich we need to increase them and only allow deductions for business investment here in the US. Low taxes for the rich is one of the main reasons so many jobs have been outsourced, there was no real tax advantage for them to invest here.

"Instead of lowering taxes on the rich we need to increase them and only allow deductions for business investment here in the US."

So, let me get this straight. You think by taking away more money they will want to invest? I always figured the more someone has the more likely they are to spend, i was unaware that our biggest investors are the homeless, begging at the highway offramp. hmmm, i guess you learn something everyday.

Some type of Big Pussy right?

Be Well.

#10 | Posted by dethspud at 2008-12-02 12:22 PM

that doesn't play in the CFL.

"It would enable the wealthy to invest more in China."

If you really think that's the only thing that wealthy people do with their money, then maybe it's time we made the US a more favorable environment for business growth. And I'm not talking about environmental regulation, I'm talking about tax laws.

but what's the problem with Light Rail?

#26 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Nothing for major cities. The problem with Wisconsin is we only have 1.

Quote of the Week

'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'

Thomas Jefferson 1802

"working class folks - DUMMI"

WTF is the working class DUMMI? I go to work. Have worked since H.S. - biggest bullshit class warfare term ever.

#28 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-12-02 01:01 PM

Working class folks are the backbone of this nation.

Blue collar, white collar, makes no difference.

that doesn't play in the CFL.

i'm talkin about the big boys league, spud.

no one leaves the nfl for the cfl....unless your name happens to be mike, or plaxico.

where's rob_the_asshole been?

those charges finally catch up with him?

Question for car guys --

Before I take in my car and the car mechanics see dollar signs thinking
"Oh boy, another dumb broad who knows zilch about cars" (and they'd be right) --

The car just doesn't accelerate like it should. Not the regular "ooomph" that you normally feel when you step on the gas. You "know" how your car is suppose to feel when you step on the gas and you can tell when it just doesn't seem to have the same power.

It's an automatic. No noises or rattles that I can hear.
Old car but I want to keep it going for a few more months when I plan to get a much newer on.

Problem is when you stop on the gas the car just doesn't have the same power. Then a couple nights ago the car stopped dead in the middle of the raod and the generator light went on once. I was able to re-start it with no problem and the generator light didn't flash on again but the power when you step on the gas just isn't the same.

Am I looking at an alternator problem (since the generator light went on once)?

Or could it be something like a clogged fuel injector or something? I haven't had it tuned up in a long while. my bad. I hate dealing with "car stuff" ugh. Would spark plugs cause the car to go slower?

I just bought a new air filter and put it in the car the other day. Also put some carborator cleaner in the gas tank.

Had the transmission rebuilt about three years ago so doubt very much it's that and the transmission fluid is fine and there's no leaks.

I just wanted a couple suggestions what might cause a slowing down of the car when I step on the gas before I take it in somewhere. Don't want to be ripped off which often can happen when women take a car in for repairs.

Blue collar, white collar, makes no difference.

#35 | Posted by CalifChris
So anybody that goes to work everyday and pays their bills/taxes is working class right? I mean the ones that must go to work to pay their bills and taxes - not the ones living off daddy's money.

"Franken campaign says recount margin down to 50 votes"

Is it wrong that the only reason I want Franken to win is to drive Murphy crazier?

CalifChris - Though I am by NO means a 'car guy', I would say it sounds more like a fuel system problem than anything with the alternator. The battery (not familiar with a 'generator' light) probably came on just cause the car had stalled. Does it sputter or idle rough at a light? That'd be another sign of fuel issues.

chris, start with a tune up, plugs, wires, cap and rotor(if so equipped), fuel filter and time the thing. If that does not work then you should probably look into a shop chasing down these kinds of things is not always an easy chore. You also may want to head down to a auto parts shop, one of the big chains usually will run a code reader and see if it throws any codes.

I just heard a rumor that the Pirates have captured a French warship, the warship surrendered without incident and no one was injured, I have lost score but I think this makes the Pirates around 19 to 0

generator light? your car is 30+ years old, isn't it?

Does the problem get worse when you drive at night with your headlights on? If you turn your lights off when you're driving, does acceleration get better?

A few other things, buy some seafoam(auto product) pull one of the hoses from you pcv valve stick it in the can and rev it to about 3000 rpm. Then shut it off wait for about ten minutes and start it and let it run until no smoke is coming from your exhaust, DO NOT under any circumstance do this in your garage.
You can also pull you MAF and clean it, not hard takes about ten minutes, you probably have a MAF if you car was made after 1990.

CC, what brand? I just had the same problem with a Toyota Celica. Alternator.

El Cid

So anybody that goes to work everyday and pays their bills/taxes is working class right? I mean the ones that must go to work to pay their bills and taxes - not the ones living off daddy's money.

In my book, some "Daddy's trust fund boy" isn't worth the spit it would take to shine the workboots of guys like you and millions of other Americans who get up every day and long hours to make an honest dollar.

As I said, it doesn't matter if the kind of job you do is considered "blue class, white class" -- who cares. America's middle class -- long considered the backbone of this country -- is made up of both. My uncle and grandfather were electricians. Union guys. My Irish immigrant relative in NJ worked in the mines up around Dover (and lost his leg in a mining accident too). My Dad was an airline captain. I suppose you could call them all "working class" guys 'cause they all worked hard for their day's pay. Just like you do too.

I suppose you could call them all "working class" guys 'cause they all worked hard for their day's pay. - CC

Exactly my point. The term "working class" is total class warfare BS. As is the term "middle class".

CC, what brand? I just had the same problem with a Toyota Celica. Alternator.

#47 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-02 02:00 PM

'77 Cadillac DeVille. Automatic.
My folks bought it brand new and kept it tip top shape. I just want to eek out the few miles left in it.

The Caddie was running fine until about 2 weeks ago when this problem popped up. I plan on getting a late model car in just a few months -- right before I move and after I deal with selling the house, etc. Didn't want to deal with more crap now than I have to. So since I'll be getting rid of the Caddie soon I didn't want to lay out money for any serious repairs.

What price range am I looking at for an alternator?
Should I get a rebuilt or new one if it's an alternator I need?

Speaking of Toyotas, I owned a Toyota Corolla for years. They're great cars. Plan on buying another Toyota for my next car. I'd like one that's a hatchback -- some type of smaller suv model.

What price range am I looking at for an alternator?
Should I get a rebuilt or new one if it's an alternator I need?

#50 | Posted by CalifChris

$500 plus or minus depending on where you live and where it's located under the hood...

Go rebuilt if you're only planning on keeping it for a couple more months.

CC, I don't think its the alternator. The cheapest thing to try might be adding a can or 2 of Heet (isopropyl). You may have water in your gas tank. Cheap way to start.

Here they are:

The first actually caught some play on the public airwaves. The accompanying video is absolutely hilarious.

The second I caught for the first time at 2 AM on a local radio station. After the song ended, the night-time DJ said, "We all need to give corporate music a big middle-finger and start listening to this band in earnest."

I liked the first song the second I heard it and assumed that it was a fluke - I had never heard of this band. When I heard the second song without knowing who the band was only to learn after it was over - I became very intrigued. Further checking has lead me to conclude that these guys "rawk!".

Anyway, here it is:

HagbardCeline

$500 plus or minus depending on where you live and where it's located under the hood...

Go rebuilt if you're only planning on keeping it for a couple more months.

Rebuilt it is, then. Hopefully it's something more minor.

A 2-person band. Similar in some respects to The White Stripes. Although, I think these guys are more melodic than Jack and Meg. Certainly they have better percussion work, which ain't saying much. Let's be honest, the only reason Meg plays the drums is to get the jumblies bouncing - it's a visual thing.

WISGOD

CC, I don't think its the alternator. The cheapest thing to try might be adding a can or 2 of Heet (isopropyl). You may have water in your gas tank. Cheap way to start.

Thanks! You're now my "official cyberspace car mechanic"! lol

Looks like it's another trip to Pep Boys tomorrow to pick up a couple cans of Heet. I hope it's not the alternator.

Say, how could water get in my gas tank anyway? The gas cap cover is always on and the car isn't even in the rain where any water could get in it. Besides, we don't have any rain in CA (except for a couple days last week).

err, was that a dumb question?

CChris,

You might get a discount on the repair work if you flash your cans to the mechanic.

Just a thought.

"$500 plus or minus depending on where you live and where it's located under the hood..."

Hey Jeff.

Yeah the Black Keys is some cool stuff.

Spud's a gamer and knows the first song "Strange Times" from playing Grand Theft Auto IV.

The Black Keys have also played in Vancity at the legendary Commodore and while Spud never caught their set Spud did read a review of the gig which sed nuthin' but good things.

Second song is cool too.

That first fanvid had some seriously avant garde optics, eh?

Be Well.

"Say, how could water get in my gas tank anyway?"

Either someone watered down their gas or it is condensation, however that is usually only a problem if it has sat for a while.

Say, how could water get in my gas tank anyway? The gas cap cover is always on and the car isn't even in the rain where any water could get in it. Besides, we don't have any rain in CA (except for a couple days last week).

err, was that a dumb question?

#56 | Posted by CalifChris

CC, it comes from the underground fuel tanks. Sometimes from the refinery to the bulk storage to the transport trucks, it gets picked up. I normally deal with it at least once a year.

Condoleezza Rice plays piano for Queen Elizabeth II

WISGOD

"Say, how could water get in my gas tank anyway? The gas cap cover is always on and the car isn't even in the rain where any water could get in it. Besides, we don't have any rain in CA (except for a couple days last week).

err, was that a dumb question?

#56 | Posted by CalifChris"

CC, it comes from the underground fuel tanks. Sometimes from the refinery to the bulk storage to the transport trucks, it gets picked up. I normally deal with it at least once a year.

#61 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-02 02:48 PM

Send me your bill. lol

I'll let you know what it was once I find out.
Really, thanks for your help, Wisgod. I mean it.

Next week, Senator Larry Craig will be tapdancing for the queen!

#62 | Posted by member2586

This will be the first time two such big Queens will be in the same room since Elizabeth the 1st and Mary, Queen of Scots.

" it comes from the underground fuel tanks."

I believe in California they require double wall tanks and a vapor barrier. On the bright side, if there is enough water in the fuel to cause it to run poorly then those cylinder wall will be sparkling clean.

Oil closed today at $47 and change.

It was $147 last July.

Looks like Richardson will be named to Commerce today or tomorrow.

"Looks like Richardson will be named to Commerce today or tomorrow."

My my them Mexicans is gettin' so uppity! It's one thing to have them do the shitty jobs we doesn't want to do, but Commerce Secretary? Next thing you know one of 'em will be president!

For that car it would probably be under $100.
#58 | Posted by salamandagator

Yeah, I was including labor in my estimate, that's why I mentioned the location under the hood as a variable.

Good luck, CC. I hope some Heet will do the trick.

err, was that a dumb question?

#56 | Posted by CalifChris

why yes. yes it was.

My CD player, in its random mode, just played "The Last Resort" by the Eagles. I haven't heard that one in a while. What a great song. Last lines:

Who will provide the grand design?
What is yours and what is mine?
'Cause there is no more new frontier
We have got to make it here

We satifsy our endless needs and
justify our bloody deeds,
in the name of destiny
and in the name of God

And you can see them there,
On Sunday morning
They stand up and sing about
What it's like up there.

They call it paradise
I don't know why
You call someplace paradise,
kiss it goodbye

How poignant

The Capitol Visitors Center, which opened this morning, may have tripled its original budget and fallen years behind schedule, but Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid found a silver lining for members of Congress: tourists won't offend them with their B.O. anymore.

"My staff tells me not to say this, but I'm going to say it anyway," said Reid in his remarks. "In the summer because of the heat and high humidity, you could literally smell the tourists coming into the Capitol. It may be descriptive but it's true."

But it's no longer going to be true, noted Reid, thanks to the air conditioned, indoor space.

And that's not all. "We have many bathrooms here, as you can see," Reid continued. "Souvenirs are available."

$621 million well spent.

"Souvenirs are available."

pork loin, pork chops, etc?

Another 'not heard in a long time' comes across the random CD player:

Suzie Cream Cheese
Zappa

Good tune

CC

I'd have the fuel filter checked. They get clogged over time and can get where they work intermittently. Very simple replacement and cheap.

Google "Cadillac Forums", sign up and post your problem. Those folks are really nice and experienced enthusiasts. I've saved thousands posting on forums.

If it's your alternator your battery would be starting to run down and the alternator light would be on more frequently.

Sounds like a fuel system problem. The alternator light will come on when the RPM's start to dwindle down if that's the problsm.

One other possible problem would be a 'fuel pump relay' that's starting to have problems. It'll be located near your fuse panel. Plugs in like a big fuse. The capacitors can start to go. I had that problem with one of my cars - it would stall without warning and then start up no problem if I waited a few minutes. I replaced it and the problem totally went away. The 'bogging down' problem you're describing indicates a fuel system problem more than anything else. On the 1977 Cadillacs I believe you can disconnect the battery and the car will still run. So, if the alternator were the problem it wouldn't make the car stall.

Anyway, check out the Cadillac forums and find some that have threads for older models. Post the problem you described and see what the Cadillac enthusiasts have to say. Most of them work on their own cars and can give you some handy advice as well as places online to order parts for a LOT cheaper than a mechanic will charge.

PS You should have the fuel filter replaced anyway. I'd bet it's been awhile since it's been changed.

And AutoZone will check your engine codes if you have a computer. I'm not sure if the '77's do or not.

One more thing. At AutoZone ask if anyone there works on the side. Shops charge 'by the book' - they look up a repair and it says how many hours it'll take. That's what they charge whether or not it takes 15 minutes.

Good luck. The 1977's engines aren't as complicated as 1980 models and on ...

My random CD is now playing the 2nd movement of Beethoveen's 9th symphony. I can't listen to that without recalling Alex beating that woman to death with a stone penis in "A Clockwork Orange".

What about you, my droogies?

Alas i have no tunage right now. However in about 30 minutes i will enter my car and be greeted by altogether too many Db of fire water burn. I do have fond memories of the 9th, a few years ago, Seattle symphony, after a great meal with good friends, very nice.

I do have fond memories of the 9th

I never cease to be amazed that it was written by a deaf man. A 30+ part score hand written by what he heard in his head. He never heard it performed although he conducted it. It's as if da Vinci had never seen the Mona Lisa.

Truly a genius Beethoven was.

GOAT

I can't recall if they included this in "Immortal Beloved" or not, but Beethoven sawed off the legs of his piano and checked out what he'd written of the 9th by feeling the vibrations of the notes. Not too shabby.

Most of us who do orchestration write from hearing it in our heads, but there's nothing like hearing it for the first time. I'm sorry he never got to hear it.

The Mahler orchestration of the 9th is massive. More brass, et al.

"He never heard it performed although he conducted it."

Try this, ear plugs and ear muffs, turn everything above 1000 hz all the way down. It is amazing what you can "hear" by feeling the sound waves.
That makes it no less amazing.

Chris-

Redneck car and truck and aircraft person.

Take vehicle to reputable mechanic. Explain symptoms. He plugs in computer to run system analysis. And on the cars these days, it could be anything from those O2 sensors to a bad module.

Bring cash, yes.

Hey CalifChris it sounds like a fuel Delivery problem. I would almost wager a bet that it's either a fuel pump problem Fuel Filter or beings that it's a 1977 You likely have one of those GM hoity toity four barrel slobber jets. (Quadrojet Carbrators. If You have that then I'd imagine some gasoline varnish or debries got stuck under the needle valve. Get 2 cans of Barymans B-12 Chem tool. It will clean up the varnish gunk inside of the carbrator. This old of vehicle doesn't have a computer so You can't hook up a scan tool to it. You can however hook up a diagnostic machine to it at the auto repair shop. You might also change Your fuel filter and check the fuel pump. I am guessing its on the passenger side of the motor clear up at the front of the passenger side. It could be broken inside. Just some hints to look for. TTFN

Larry

And the beat goes on. It seems that there is a bump on the road that may preclude the Democrats from securing a compliant filibuster-proof Senate. The current race in Georgia with results continuing to come in indicates a change in fortune, albeit a small one.

Candidate Votes

Saxby Chambliss (R.) Incumbent 269,806 ........65%

Jim Martin (D.) 146,867........35%

Updated Dec-02-2008 08:10 PM 19% reporting (649 of 3303 precincts)

I don't know who is reporting and if these are traditionally strong Republican districts, or if this represents an overall trend. But time will tell. Only some 20% of the districts have reported so far.

I never cease to be amazed that it was written by a deaf man. A 30+ part score hand written by what he heard in his head. He never heard it performed although he conducted it. It's as if da Vinci had never seen the Mona Lisa.

Truly a genius Beethoven was.

#81 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-02 06:42 PM

Beyond amazing.

Can you or anyone on here explain to me how someone who was deaf could even begin to put together a musical score? How could he even begin to put together a tempo, or beat, or even what a basic rhythm was like when he had never heard music in his life?

It's like asking a person has been totally blind since birth to describe the color red or a bright sunset.

Or asking asking a man with no sense of smell to describe a foul odor or the smell of sweet perfume.

Beethoven must have had an inner sense of rhythm which went beyond any ability to hear sound.

Beethoven sawed off the legs of his piano and checked out what he'd written of the 9th by feeling the vibrations of the notes. Not too shabby.

I did not know this. That tidbit just puts me in further awe of the man.

Larry --

Larry --

Hey CalifChris it sounds like a fuel Delivery problem. I would almost wager a bet that it's either a fuel pump problem Fuel Filter or beings that it's a 1977... (Quadrojet Carbrators. If You have that then I'd imagine some gasoline varnish or debries got stuck under the needle valve. Get 2 cans of Barymans B-12 Chem tool. It will clean up the varnish gunk inside of the carbrator.

I think you may have nailed it. I just got back now to the house and the entire time I drove it the problem I'd been having for just over a week now was gone! It ran okay.

I can only think of one possibility now. Follow me on this --

I had a low amount of gas in the car -- less than a quarter tank which is lower than I normally ever let it get. (Also, that Caddie has a weird fluctuating gas needle which makes the tank look fuller than it is).

I bought the new air filter and some carburetor cleaner (the guy at Pep Boys told me to get it when I explained the problem). I replaced the air filter and poured in the carb cleaner but the car still had poor acceleration -- as I said, it even stopped completely once (but restarted again) even after me doing those things. BUT my gas tank at the time was still only 1/4 full.

Now the next and only other thing I did after doing that was to completely fill up my gas tank to the brim the night before last. I hadn't driven the car again until I went out this afternoon. And as soon as I hit the gas pedal I could fell the difference right away -- I had power again and it gave me no trouble at all driving it today.

QUESTION -- Is it possible I had gunk in the carberator and, even though I put carberator cleaner in the gas tank, there wasn't enough gas in the car to really flush the carborator cleaner thru enough to where it was able to clean out any gunk and/or loosen any blockage? But it was when I filled up my gas tank to the top then the carb cleaner was able to do the job?

I can't explain how it's now okay. Had to have been a clog there somewhere keeping the normal amount of gas from going thru and filling up the gas tank helped the carb cleaner to work? Must have been when I now drove it with a totally full tank that whatever was keeping the full amount of gas from going thru was unblocked.

THANK YOU! -- Wisgod, Salamangator, NumberSix and Larry -- and the rest of you guys who were my cyberspace mechanics today. I appreciated your time and help more than you know.

My random CD is now playing the 2nd movement of Beethoveen's 9th symphony. I can't listen to that without recalling Alex beating that woman to death with a stone penis in "A Clockwork Orange".

What about you, my droogies?

Posted by goatman at 2008-12-02 06:30 PM

Oh, hey, first thing that comes to my mind too every time I hear it.

pppfffftttt

Christine.

When You poured in the Carbruator Cleaner in the less than 1/4 tankfull of fuel You added it to "Stale" fuel. When You filled it up You added fresh gasoline to Your tank making the Carb Cleaner work easier because You deluted the stale gasoline and made it fresher. By doing this You allowed the cleaner to be picked up by the gas tanks pick up tube allowing it to run through the fuel lines upto the carbruator. You had gunk built up in the needle and seat in the carbrator that meters the fuel that goes into the combustion chambers of each cyclinder. If gunk gets built up on it it sometimes sticks in an open or closed position. When You added the carb cleaner PLUS Your fresh gas You cleaned out the obstruction allowing fuel to be delivered into those combustion chambers providing power to each cyclinder. Keep Your Gasoline as fresh as possible and You should not have any problems. Keeping a gas tank less than half full causes problems over time. It can collecty moisture which in turn makes the gas tank rusty which makes for problems down the road. Keep Your gas fresh at all possible. TTFN

Larry

Thanks, Larry. That makes total sense.

I'll keep my gas tank at a minimum of half full from now on.

You explained it well. Guess that's why on the bottle of the carb cleaner I bought the directions said "add at the same time you fill your gas tank."

Next time I'll try following the directions on the bottle.

I'm a klutz.

Chris, I hope you got it all sorted out.

Several years ago I was driving a '75 Sedan Deville and when the whether turned colder the heater stopped putting out heat. I spent hours under the dash trying to find a crimped vacuum hose, bad wire, etc... I couldn't, for the life of me, figure out why the damn thing was blowing cold air when the heater was on. The engine would heat up, the heater hose would get scolding hot, but no heat. Turned out there wasn't enough coolant in the radiator to feed the heater core, Doh.

It never overheated.

Those old caddies are hard to kill.

Anyway, that's my old Cadillac story.

I just bought the Epson Artisian 800 photo printer. It got great reviews and the photos I've seen come from it rival most professional labs.

But I've been spending the last three hours trying to get the SOB to work wirelessly. AAAARGH! I'll be using mainly from a laptop, so I do not want to have to hook a cable to it all the time.

Anyone have any suggestions? My next step is to call New Delhi for assistance, and I'm not so good with the accent.

Can you or anyone on here explain to me how someone who was deaf could even begin to put together a musical score? How could he even begin to put together a tempo, or beat, or even what a basic rhythm was like when he had never heard music in his life?

CalifChris

You hear it all together in your head before you write it down. The hearing do it the same way. As far as tempos go, anyone who's conducted can pretty well call up a tempo from memory.

Sorry I posted 5 posts about your car. Hate to be a bother.

ps problem is that the router does not see the printer -- even when hooked up with an ethernet cable. Been through the printer network configs, changed the cable, proved router good.

GOATMAN

Is the wireless connection "Bluetooth". If so you'll need to activate it in your computer as well. Do a search on your laptop using 'Bluetooth' as your keyword if the printer is Bluetooth.

Whatever format of wireless transmitter you can change the channel on the wireless transmitter and receiver. Was there software for the printer to install in your laptop? If so, there may be drivers (since you're not using USB) you need to send/receive wireless.

I haven't ever used a printer wireless, but my experience with wireless devices, et al, says to check:

-The Printer is set to receive wireless rather than through the USB port.

-If there's a channel setting for send/receive try changing it.

-Ensure you have the drivers for the printer installed in your computer.

-Check whether the 'wireless' is Bluetooth or what you'd use for a wireless router.

Also, CC, Beethoven was not deaf his whole life. It came late in his life. But he was stone deaf when he did the 9th. Listen to all three movements (I know you've heard An Die Freude or the 'Ode to Joy', third movement. However, 2nd is the best, IMO) and consider a deaf man wrote them.

But don't ever watch 'A Clockwork Orange' or the 2nd movement will be forever spoiled. *grin*

Not Bluetooth, though that was what I was looking for. But Epson didn't make one in my price range.

Good thought on channel checking. I didn't see that in the printer setup, but I'm going to go take a closer look. Is the channel like a Blue Tooth channel in that it commandeers a com port and makes it a virtual channel? I know my PDA does a similiar thing using Blue Tooth.

GOATMAN

I"ve never used Ethernet for a printer. Try plugging in a USB cable and see if the computer sees it. If not, the model may be new enough that you don't have the drivers in your computer if you haven't installed the software from the CD that came with the printer.

The Ethernet cable is only good when you're setting up a 'network' printer. For point to point connections a USB cable would be the ticket.

Again, read if the wireless reception on the printer is 3G (Like a router) or Bluetooth. They're two different formats.

Give me a call if you want. I'm up.

Yes, it works with the USB, but not ethernet cable. It seems to be a network issue.

(I hate network issues!)

OK, I just read a blurb about the Epson.

Typically, when using Ethernet you have to set up the printer as a "Network Printer". That way, any computer hooked up to the router can use it.

I see it's a "Wi-Fi" wireless connection.

Check the setting on the printer to ensure it's set up to receive "Wi-Fi" rather than on another port.

Also, are the printer and router both B and G capable?

If your router is only B and the printer is G (Newest standard) they may have a problem talking to each other.

AU -- I'd call, but I'm too drunk and pilled up to talk. *grin*

Also kinda tired. I had to get up early this AM for a dental followup. I had an implant (tap and die job in the jawbone) last week and the good doctor had to chekc his work.

Though the pain is gone, I took the last two hydrocodone this evening with a couple of shots of tequila.

Can blog. can't talk.

OK I see the printer is B/G and N capable, so that's not an issue. Is your router the same, or B/G only? I'll see if I can read some more in the manual.

You have a Linksys router? If so, which model?

Also, are the printer and router both B and G capable

I didn't check, but I assume they are -- both being new devices. However that would explain the lack of wireless, but not the lack of ethernet, would it not?

I had to get up early this AM for a dental followup. I had an implant (tap and die job in the jawbone) last week

Gotcha

I'm gonna check, but I think I may have that model Epson. Never really looked.

Tell me which router you have. I'll be right back.

You have a Linksys router?

The WRT54G2

Nope. Stylus A380 or something. It was on sale last week and I bought it because it will also print on CD's.

Anyway, I think your problem is you may need to set up the Epson as a "Network Printer". The description I read online indicates that's what it is either way via Ethernet or Wireless. A "Network Printer" is one that any computer going through the router can use.

I'm not on a Windows computer right now, but I'll go to one if you think it would help. I'll hunt for an online manual and see if I can help ya out...

Let me know if you want a hand

Goatman

I have no idea if this 6th paragraph re wireless set up for your Epson printer in the article I linked at the end might help. It makes mention of making sure you obtain an IP address. Too techie for me. Maybe it can give you a clue.

...Most users paying extra for Wi-Fi capabilities, of course, will opt for a network installation, as we did. Epson makes this exceedingly easy, thanks to the clear Network Installation Guide. (Networking novices may also want to check out the video tutorial on Epson's support Web site, which goes through the installation procedure step by step.)

For wireless setup you will need to connect to your Wi-Fi router temporarily with the included Ethernet cable. If your router is inaccessible, you can also get the MFP on your network by connecting to a PC that is connected to your wireless network; just be sure your computer is set to obtain an IP address automatically.

Here's the link containing the entire article.

WRT54G2

That's an 802.11g router. Your printer may use N, but is probably also 'G' capable. Hard to know until I can find an online manual.

Still, I think the problem is you need to set up the printer to be a "Network Printer" if you're not using USB, but Ethernet or Wireless.

I'll hunt for an online manual for your printer ...

GOATMAN

What Chris typed means you definitely need to set up the printer as a "Network Printer".

Look in your manual or on the CD-ROM that came with it and it should lead you through the process.

Still, I think the problem is you need to set up the printer to be a "Network Printer

I got that part. That was one of the first things I checked when I realized that it didn't work via ethernet or wireless.

CC: I suspected an IP issue, but I can't get far enough into the setup wizard for the IP. If I was more into IT stuff, I might be able to forego the wizard and set it up mysel manually. Alas, I'm not that smart. But I will peruse the manual. Thanks for the link

From CC's link:

Pros
Packed with features; intuitive control panel; stunning photo output; fast print times; easy wireless setup

LOL

GOATMAN

The "Network Installation Guide" should tell you everything you need to know.

IP should not be an issue. Once your router has an IP from your internet provider, you should be able to plug in any computer via Ethernet and go once you've changed your connection method from Wi-Fi to Ethernet in the laptop.

BTW, I worked on the GOATMAN vs BuffaloBob fight photo a little more. Here ya go:

Notice you're 'locking horns'? LOL

BTW, I worked on the GOATMAN vs BuffaloBob fight photo a little more. Here ya go:

Oh, you're in trouble now! I laughed so hard I woke up the baby. Tracye is standing outside the computer room door glaring at me and holding a crying child while I wipe my own tears (of laughter) from my eyes.

Too much!

GOAT

If you can plug into the router with an Ethernet cable and get online, you're good to go as far as addressing the router.

I'll be on the CD that came with the Epson is all you need to easily install it as a Wi-Fi device your router will address. The article CC posted says it takes about 20 minutes to do.

Getting devices configured is always a pain on the front end, but once it's done you're good to go. Plus, it'll be easier to install the next wireless device once you've done it once.

The first time I installed a network printer it was a real pain.

What the "Network Installation" will do is allow your printer to join your 'network', which is essentially what you have with the router and even one computer. The printer may act like another computer and need the WEP key password to be able to address your router if you've set up Security on the router (which I have so no one can drive by and log on to with my router). If your printer doesn't have permission to address the router it won't work.

Anyway, the Epson CD should have all the software you need. Once you've plugged the Ethernet cable into the router and can open a browser and get online you're good to go from that point forward in the installation. The Ethernet cable from the computer is what you need to address the router's firmware.

The address you type to pull up the router's firmware and security setup is in your Linksys manual. I'll get the one I use and you can see if that one works if finding your manual is a hassle.

BRB

GOAT

Here's the address I type in my browser to address my Linksys router. If you have an ethernet cable running from your laptop to the router try this one. If it doesn't work, it's in your setup (paper) manual for your particular model Linksys router.

69.180.252.77

The reason I'm giving that to you is so you can find your "WEP Key" in the event you need it in the future. If you try usinga another wireless computer and have it turned on you can't access the router without typing it in when trying to access the network.

I wrote mine down and taped it to the bottom of the router. But, like I said, I have 4 computers running off one router, and so I needed it to log on with wireless connections.

GOAT

I gave you the wrong http address to address the router. Here's the one I use:

Goat

Here's one more shot -- a review from just a regular guy who bought the Epson 800 and had trouble hooking it up for wireless.

He ended up having to do what you said you did NOT want to do -- he called Epson directly. Still, he ended up having to use a USB which I think means he still had to hook it directly to his computer? I didn't think you wanted to do that with your set up but maybe you can pick up a clue or two from his review as to your own hookup.

Customer review of Epson 800 -

HP printers at home. They work well and produce good prints. I had a c7180 which I like but needed an ADF since I am faxing more things for work. I saw the Artisan 800 a few weeks back and new I was going to get it. Had to wait until the stores got one back in stock. Unpacked it yesterday and hooked it up.

First impressions:

I love the styling and the touch screen. It is very intuitive and I did not really have to look at the user guide yet.

As for set up I wanted to use it wirelessly even though it was next to my desktop. The printer could not be found after I tried twice. This prompted me to call Epson and they were helpful and pushed it to a level two tech. Still could not get it to work wirelessly.

He suggested that since no IP address was being listed to call my router company which I did. They had to drop my security settings to 64WEP vs WAP even though the printer is supposed to work with that setting. Once that happened I saw the wireless icon go on with the bars but still the software would not show the printer. Finally decided just to hook it up by USB. I think it may be my computer since I had the same issue with my HP.

Any way once hooked up everything worked fine. It faxes easily. Prints nice photos. Makes copies. I have not tried every feature yet. I do think the paper tray is a little flimsy and hope with heavy use will not break. I also dont like that Staples will let you recycle all print cartridges but Epson. Dont know why or if this is an Epson thing. Will update when I use all the features."

Would you recommend this product to a friend?: Yes

Oh, you're in trouble now! I laughed so hard I woke up the baby

I'm sorry the baby woke up. That was just a little something I did over coffee this morning. That's real goat fur on your head BTW

Speakin' of my little girlie -- here's a shot of her and me Tracye took last week when we stopped at a roadside rest area on our way to N Texas.

GOAT

Darling pic!

She's undoubtedly got the Goatman family genes.

AU -- that's the same address I use to talk to the routers, too, but I've found out that there are a couple of models that use 192.168.140.140.

Yep, it surprised me too. Found out about that at work.

BTW, did you know if you call Linksys tech support and they set up the router for you, they have you put in your telephone number for the WEP? Good idea, I guess -- easy to remember and 10 digits. Just don't let your neighbors know. *grin*

CC: good post there. Sounds just like my dilemma.

I wonder if it is a Vista issue? Since I got my new laptop three months ago, I've learned that there are a lot of patches that have to be downloaded for different apps. Epson's site doesn't indicate any Vista conflicts, but still, I'm very wary.

Maybe our friends in New Delhi would know. *grin*

She's undoubtedly got the Goatman family genes.

Her mom says she better not get the family's unibrow. LOL. We all have it -- even the women.

GOAT

PS Your IP address will show up on the top right hand corner (to the right of the meter) when you run the Speed Test.

Her mom says she better not get the family's unibrow. LOL. We all have it -- even the women.

You can give her electrolysis for her 16th birthday if it happens

Won't an 'ipconfig' run at the command prompt tell you the same thing?

I wonder if it is a Vista issue?

Your router won't allow the printer until the printer's given permission and you've gone through the entire Network Installation process anyway.

Your computer isn't set up for a network printer yet until you do so. That's something the guide should help you with. USB - no problemo if you have the drivers installed. This model may be so new there may not be USB drivers for it in Vista.

If you have to talk to "Frank" or "Bob", the Indian guys I always get, tell 'em I said howdy!

Won't an 'ipconfig' run at the command prompt tell you the same thing?

Probably, but it's a lot less hassle to go to Speakeasy.net's Speed Test (the link)

Won't an 'ipconfig' run at the command prompt tell you the same thing?

I answered my own question. ipconfig gave me the address of the router: 192.168.1.1

I guess I have to hook directly up to the modem to get the real one.

It gives you your IP address as soon as you start the test. You don't even have to finish it if you don't feel like it.

Goatman

Just go to that link I gave you. You'll have your IP address in 10 seconds....

Did you notice in the pic what her mom did to her ears? I'm shocked, I tell ya! My sisters had to wait until they were 15!

Just go to that link I gave you. You'll have your IP address in 10 seconds

I did. I chose Dallas. Saw the IP up there.

Did you notice in the pic what her mom did to her ears? I'm shocked, I tell ya! My sisters had to wait until they were 15!

What? Like take off the points of the goat ears? The 'nubs' of the horns must be even harder LOL

I did. I chose Dallas. Saw the IP up there.

Cool. You'll have it if you have to call "Frank" or "Bob" in New Delhi

Now, if you plug an ethernet cable into your laptop from the router and type in the 191.168.1.1 you can see if you have WEP encryption setup. If so, write down the number, or easier than that copy it and paste it into Word and print it out. I tape one copy on the bottom of the router and keep another on the bottom of all the computers in case I need to put it in again for wireless access. You may or may not have to input that WEP Key number into the printer so the router allows it after you've done the "Network Installation" from the Epson CD.

I"m also suggesting getting your laptop connected to the router via Ethernet cable as that's the first step in the Network Installation.

Once you've put the Epson CD in your laptop and followed the instructions without a positive result, at least you'll have everything installed, plugged in, and have your IP address handy for that chat with Frank or Bob should it come to that.

Familiar with that. I have to do it to our wireless at work all the time. Somehow our WEPs keep getting leaked and we always have to change them. *grin*

Cool.

I also keep my WEPs in a Word document - hidden under a pseudonym - so I can cut and paste it in when needed.

Reading all those numbers and typing them in is a pain.

There's also the issue of 'blurry print' we talked about last night LOL Kids!! They just don't print like they used to.

GOATMAN

Have you considered changing the password for the router interface from the default "Admin/linksys'? It'd stop those WEP keys from leaking out.

Reading all those numbers and typing them in is a pain.

The telephone number thing gave me an idea that I utilize: My grandmother's phone number when I was a kid is burned into my brain, but it is a number that very few could associate with me. (she's been dead for 20 years) Therefore, it makes a great WEP key.

Have you considered changing the password for the router interface from the default "Admin/linksys'? It'd stop those WEP keys from leaking out.

That's not the issue. The routers are in a space that if a non-authorized person was hooking a PC up to them, they would immediately be noticed. However, a few of the folks on the rig have figured out that if you press the reset button for 30 seconds (easier to get by with than hooking a PC up) that the router is like just out of the box: I.E., non-secure.

BTW, we 'fixed' this problem with a drop of crazy glue on the reset button a couple of months ago. *grin* So far it's working.

Sounds like you have some guys with too much time on their hands, GOAT.

If you ever lock up the router and want to really protect the encryption from 'sniffing' you can use WPA-PSK instead of WEP. It accomplishes the encryption without broadcasting the key - thus preventing a wireless connection from being able to access the router.

hus preventing a wireless connection from being able to access the router's software

I just wish I could bypass my company's web filters. Our client on the rig has no such filters, so if I want, I can go into our data/server room and plug my PC into their hub and get the streaming videos, audios, youtube, porn, etc. But without actually moving fiber pair, I can't get that in my shop or my cabin.

*sigh*

Sounds like you have some guys with too much time on their hands, GOAT.

Especially during a rig move when the roughnecks have nothing to do. They run around the rig like a pack of dogs causing all sorts of mischief. Internet is one of their favorite targets, so the wireless routers are always at risk during the rig moves.

Hmmm

You could always hook up your own wireless router to the server. Know what I mean? Hide it well. Then only you would be able to access that router with encryption turned on. Problem is everyone else would see the new network too. Since no one else could access it without a WEP or WPA-PSK key you could blame it on a 'glitch'.

Figuring out where the filter is and how to bypass it sounds like a good project ...

You could always hook up your own wireless router to the server. Know what I mean?

LOL You should be an ET! We could do that, but the comms room is on one deck and our cabin on another. The wireless doesn't penetrate the watertight steel bulkheads.

But yes, we ETs have considered a clandestine operation of running a co-ax from the 2nd to 3rd floor. It wouldn't be the first time an ET made some -- er -- ET specific modificatins to the rig. *grin*

Figuring out where the filter is and how to bypass it sounds like a good project

We know where the filter is. It's in Houston where our satellite uplink is. There is no way we can change the filters. But as I said, the client is not bound to them.

Bad juju if we were to get caught 'tapping' their network, though.

GOAT

A quietly run Ethernet cable from the server down to your floor would do the trick. Run an Ethernet cable to your cabin that you could poke out from behind an outlet next to your bunk while you're on board. You know, you're "checking electrical wiring on the rig" as you run the Ethernet cable through conduits from the server to your cabin. No one would ever know. When you leave the rig, unscrew the outlet and put the lead of the Ethernet cable back behind the outlet.

Problem solved.

And since you wouldn't be using a router no one but you would ever know.

You could even install an Ethernet jack in a hidden place and bring a cable long enough to get from your bunk to the jack ....

Mischievous minds ....

Where there's a will there's a way. You as ET should be able to covertly run that cable. With Ethernet you can go hundreds of feet. Just sayin' *grin*

Speakin' of my little girlie -- here's a shot of her and me Tracye took last week when we stopped at a roadside rest area on our way to N Texas.

i239.photobucket.com

What a doll that little girlie is.

-- Goatman
She's absolutely precious.

And she's getting so big! Last photos of her I'd seen she was barely a newborn.

Didn't seem all that long ago when you announced on here you were going to be a first-time grandfather.
Can't believe tomorrow she's already going to be seven months old!
Enjoy these special baby years with her, Goat. They pass by so quickly.
You're very lucky to have your family living so close by.
That way you'll be able to hear her first words, see her take her first steps.

And this holiday will be a very special one -- "Baby's first Christmas"
Nothing nicer than having little ones around the house at Christmas time.

Oh, and I would have said you looked kinda of cute in the picture too but don't want you to get an even more swelled ego. lol.

That's what I get for posting past midnight.

All day I've been thinking today was the 4th of December until I went to write a check tonight.

Correction added to my #161 --

"Can't believe the day after tomorrow she's already going to be seven months old!"

I remember it being the 5th since she was born on Cinco de Mayo.