AND SO IT BEGINS

Very scary. Will obama change this? If not - no difference between the parties. No change.

Why the fuck ain't they already on the borders?

Don't worry; they'll be greeted as liberators.

PAX

Very scary. Will obama change this? If not - no difference between the parties. No change.

#2 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

he's saving that stance for 2012 election

I eagerly await the naysayers and deniers that have denigrated JeffNDenmark for the past few years.

I have my own personal issue with someone who has fled the country instead of standing with the rest of us in opposition to things like this.

On the other hand, the thing folks here said would not happen is in the works.

What's next? UN troops training and operating along side them? How long before those troops are "endangered" by an armed populace and they come to collect our guns by force?

I think we should bring all of them home. Between the Navy and Marine Corps at sea and the Air Farce we can defend the sea lanes and counter a foreign attack. Better security on our borders and inspection of cargo would do more for Homeland "security" than sending troops to the meddle east.

I think we should bring all of them home. Between the Navy and Marine Corps at sea and the Air Farce we can defend the sea lanes and counter a foreign attack. Better security on our borders and inspection of cargo would do more for Homeland "security" than sending troops to the meddle east.

#7 | Posted by OzarkAggie

The only thing I would add to that is; the cost securing cargo coming into this country should be paid by those who want to ship stuff here. I know...those who don't like it will whine...'that will drive the prices up'. If it becomes too expensive to ship stuff from outside, maybe we'll have to start manufacturing it here again.

Kiss more freedoms goodbye!

Do they know something we don't? Another 911 style attack or maybe we are becoming more like China's Red Army in the square.

"Air Farce"

What branch did you serve in Ozark?

I hope Oz doesn't mind me answering:

He was a squid like me.

What branch did you serve in Ozark?

#11 | Posted by Mista Kurtz

USN

He was a squid like me.

#12 | Posted by goatman

Actually I prefer Bubblehead.

Actually I prefer Bubblehead.

Fair enough

signed:
a Skimmer

PS, Oz -- Been getting some fantastic shots lately -- especially macro. I'm way behind on my (digital) processing and printing. Love that D40 and 100mm f2.8 combo

I'd rather see them protecting our own streets than getting blown up by savages in Iraq.

I'm way behind on my (digital) processing and printing.

Get with it! LOL

When are you going to put some up on the web? An easy way is to use Picasa from Google to post albums and share them. The program is free and all you need is a gmail account.

"What's next? UN troops training and operating along side them? How long before those troops are "endangered" by an armed populace and they come to collect our guns by force?"

That shit has been going on for DECADES man. Welcome to the party.

"undermine the Posse Comitatus Act"

Um there is nothing to undermine. I'm fairly sure the have repealed that act already.

I have the 400d (rebel xti) but upgraded to the 40D. I love it. The rebel was a little small for my hand. Also, I like the 6.7 frames/sec. The second wheel makes manual shots so much easier, too. Also the multiple functions of the second wheel are great once learned.

And for macros, it can't touch the rebel. I love the 'live view' mode where the mirror pops up and I see the image on the PC. I can focus and control all from the PC. Of course, this is only good for a studio type environment, but that is what I've been doing lately. I have the Canon MT-24EX ring flash with independent controls for the flash (including cordless connectivity to my 430 EX flash) so have been having a lot of fun.

Thanks for the links. I bookmarked them and will look at them when I have more time. Grandfather role is taking a lot more of my life than I ever imagined.

I bought a year subcriptionto photobucket, but I'm not sure that's where I want to display. I still don't feel I'm ready for prime time yet anyway. Will send a couple of works in progress later when I get the chance. You gotta see my 'death of a siren'. Needs work, but got a lucky shot at the beach. Actually, about 100 shots to work with. Love digital!

Dinner's ready. (teriyaki ham steak with onions, peppers, and pineapple.) later

Whatever happened to the National Guard? Wasn't ALL of this the role of the 'weekend warriors' before they all got shipped to Iraq?

I suppose what this really means is Dubya has crippled the National Guard.

I can't imagine they attracted too many recruits over the last five years or so, since joining up to serve your community has basically become a direct ticket to some sh!thole in Iraq or Afghanistan.

Respond to advertising about how you'll help in disasters, discover that Iraq & Afghanistan on the other side of the planet are the big disaster.

Do a little research....

Apparently, 40% of the troops serving in Iraq at one point were reservists or guardsmen.

Some guard units that returned immediately lost 70% of their members. Their terms expired, and nobody wanted to re-enlist.

That shit has been going on for DECADES man. Welcome to the party.

It was a rhetorical question.

We meet on Tuesdays.

This is what the National Guard actually signed up to do, but they're in Iraq.

If you don't like the bailout, they are in a better position to shoot you.

Geater costs than all other disasters and wars combined, virtually no debate, yet no discernable effect. Greedfucking like its never been done before.

Some states (but not Missouri btw) have state guard units. I've advocated on this issue and believe that units could be formed and trained as first responders, in CPR and first aid, logistics within a county, and if they have military experience they could also carry weapons for defense.

Self help at the community level like the old Civil Defense program, but more appropriate to the exigent circumstances. That is to say, here in the Heartland we don't need to worry about hurricanes but tornadoes occur every year.

As long as we rely upon the feds, or even the state, to provide relief we're susceptible to their domination and potential tyranny.

I've advocated on this issue and believe that units could be formed and trained as first responders, in CPR and first aid, logistics within a county, and if they have military experience they could also carry weapons for defense.

So what are you waiting for?

Fuck off moo moo. You just linked to a Civil War re-enactor's website.

You just linked to a Civil War re-enactor's website.

God forbid...

All:

Google Copenhagen Consensus.

In terms of making the world a more hospitable place, the current means of addressing climate change (Kyoto, carbon tax) are dead last. *aggressively addressing AIDS and malaria have far greater impact and far greater bang-for-the-buck than the lunacies associated with attempting to curb man-made carbon emmissions.

I know such logicical thought is devastating for the GW alarmists...but hopefully a few of you have enough scruples inside your collective noggins to view issues such as this logically in lieu of emotionally.

"I have my own personal issue with someone who has fled the country instead of standing with the rest of us"

So what would you have me do?
Abandon my children, and leave them without a father. Or should I bring them over there, and put them right in the middle of a shit storm?

I am standing with the rest of you. That's why I have been trying to wake people up for the past 3 years. If I didn't give a shit about you (My Country) I wouldn't have subjected myself to the personal attacks for the past 3 years.

Ozark, google New York Guard

Ohio, Texas and Georgia also have substantial SDFs. Drill one weekend a month, one or two weeks A/T a year. However, just about every state, because of fear of litigation, has pretty much disarmed its SDFs. They are primarily in support roles nowadays (except Alaska, which is armed, if I recall).

This is not the end of the planet with armed troops running loose in the streets. What it is, is another move by the Bush admin to relinquish its responsibilities. Rather than make civilian agencies do their jobs, and staff and organize the National Guard to do theirs, the knee jerk reaction is to have the Army do it. It is really not their job to be first responders to domestic emergencies. The civilians are supposed to do that, augmented by Guard forces.

I am in the National Guard, and we have what is supposed to be an emergency search and rescue and chem decon unit. Unfortunately it is an "additional duty" that requires a unit to drop its normal mission and train for that one. Its a very poor plan, but the government does not want to take the simple solution required to fix it.

"If I didn't give a shit about you (My Country) I wouldn't have subjected myself to the personal attacks for the past 3 years."

#31 | Posted by JeffnDenmark

Don't delude yourself or even attempt to convince us that you are making some sort of a difference posting your opines on an internet blog from the other side of the Big Pond.

Oh please. We should have more of our armed forces stationed here. 20,000 troops couldn't occupy Iraq, let alone the US.

The political rhetoric begins.

I would say we need to be very cautious, using troops for home security says the government doesn't trust its citizens. It says they are prepping to stem off a revolt from the citizens, I wonder why they think that.

Shit, sully hasn't learned very much over the last few years.

Just allow the door a crack and shortly it will be wide wide open.

We don't need troops for our emergencies, and the fact that the politicians are playing up the fact we do should frighten every citizen. More politicKING going on than meets the eye.

Don't worry; they'll be greeted as liberators.

PAX

#4 | Posted by Grendel at

okay..dig or not at some of 'my boys'

but this is pretty funny stuff.

and the aclu says that they are concerned about this

I dont believe it would signal something like the british troops making themselves at home during the revolution but it is interesting to see how things are moving along with barry and the left isnt it??

I am standing with the rest of you. That's why I have been trying to wake people up for the past 3 years. If I didn't give a shit about you (My Country) I wouldn't have subjected myself to the personal attacks for the past 3 years.

#31 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2

this is really interesting and typical

when jeff was blasting away at bush and cheney and rumsfeld, this kind of rhetoric wasnt to be read or seen but now that jeff has some issues with our MESSIAH..............people are going after him.

hhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

"What it is, is another move by the Bush admin to relinquish its responsibilities."

Um, I may be wrong but isn't Obama going to be the President in 2011? And as of yet he has not dissented, or objected to this. He seems to be on board for this.

The National Guard requires some additional equipment, training, and unit organization to take on the chem / bio threat. When better equipped, it can serve that purpose and still provide the other response needed. Even then though, civilian first responders have to be prepared. By the time any military force is employed, the effects of a chemical, nuclear, or radiological attack will already be in full play. The civilian agencies need the equipment and the training to do the job.

The intent is not to put 20,000 on alert all around the country, guarding a bunch of stuff and taking the place of the police. The intent is to have a force prepared to respond on short notice to various types of emergencies. The active duty folks already do that, but this requires that they plan and train specifically for that. The resposibility will probably rotate among different units.

"Shit, sully hasn't learned very much over the last few years."

Sure I did. How do you think I know 20,000 troops couldn't possibly control this country in the manner you Chicken Littles are pretending?

"Just allow the door a crack and shortly it will be wide wide open. "

Bush will be out of office in a month. And really, you are pretending to make a point here but haven't said what you think is behind this door you are talking about. I bet you have no idea. But it sounds good to talk about slippery sloaps and opening doors and whatnot.

"We don't need troops for our emergencies, and the fact that the politicians are playing up the fact we do should frighten every citizen. More politicKING going on than meets the eye."

We don't need troops for our emergencies? Could have fooled New Orleans during Katrina .......

Very scary. Will obama change this? If not - no difference between the parties. No change.

#2 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

Are you kidding? Obama wants this except he wants a force as well funded as our military to comb the streets. Well funded as our military are his wors not mine.

you think they will stop with 20,000. I laugh.

We don't need troops for our emergencies? Could have fooled New Orleans during Katrina .......

Um dude, the millitarty did not come with food and supplies, They cam in with weapons drawn and demanding the civilians weapons.

I know it a FAUX News piece but the video tells the tale:

Here a ABC world news piece if you dont like the Fox one.

the first steps in Matrial Law is always small ones.

Bah, "is" above should be "are".