As I pointed out on a neighboring thread, Barack was holding Michelle's hand on "60 Minutes" as he declared unequivocally that he would close that atrocious slam - and renounce torture. herm

'It's all unraveling, just when i was starting to have some fun. where will i go, now, and be able to satisfy my sadistic needs?' 'I know, I'll go to work for the DMV'.

And where are they going to go? Thier own countries do not want them...We are going to try them under our criminal laws? "Were you read your rights by the soldier that you were firing at?"

You people are SOOO stupid.

But you voted for him...I hope he does close it and put them in your neighborhood. Most of those released so far have been captured again (or killed) trying to kill our soldiers...what will you say to the family of the soldier killed when we release one of them?

I don't give a crap where they are going to go, we rendered them it is our responsibility to put them up.

If they need tried then do so or release them.

As for captured again or trying to kill our soldiers is nothing but lying bull shit. Either prove that statement or we see you as a liar.

MW must have missed this one--

And here is more--

Murphy,

Unless you can come up with a site that is respectfull of actual facts don't bother.

Not one of the gitmo released individuals have ever joined back into the fight....fact.

Spreading lying bull shit has no value other than you like the idea of rendition and holding without process as a national policy.

Murphy,

Get something from a mainstream like ABC, CBS, reuters, AP or any credited media that actually has to verify the facts.

Nothing you post is ever valid, or creditable.

I though citing the Washington Compost who cites fact check WAS putting up facts??

And what is the fight MW??

Doesn't joining --re-joining with the enemy going back to the fight?

Even if it is another place another field?

These people are not from a regular country that we are at war with.

The war is with their ideology--they want to kill us all.

from the WP--

The latest Pentagon "fact sheet" on "former GTMO detainee terrorist trends," dated June 13, is available here. It states that 37 former Guantanamo detainees are "confirmed or suspected" of having returned to "terrorist activities" since their release. It puts the so-called recidivism rate at "between 5 and 7 percent."

The Pentagon fact sheet names 13 former GITMO prisoners whose participation in various types of terrorist activity has been "confirmed," in most cases because they have been killed or captured on something resembling a battlefield. There is no evidence that any of the 13 killed Americans. The names range from the leader of an al-Qaeda cell in Turkey to Abdallah Salih al-Ajmi, a Kuwaiti citizen who killed 7 people in a suicide bomb attack on Mosul in April. The list includes three Chechens, transferred to Russia and subsequently re-arrested for terrorist activities.

These are some really bad characters--and that is stating it nicely.

They are too dangerous and should not be released.

If you want to take issue with whether or not they have killed a soldier--then fine.

But does it really matter?

They are killing others.

Go to this part in the WP link for the pdf list of people involved in re joining the fight and killing people.

June 13, is available here

The HERE is underlined in the link.

Sorry, but it's un-American to imprison a man based on what he might do. Try them or let them go.

You want a banana republic, I recommend Honduras.

Just like it's un-American to torture because some pencil-neck imagines a possible 1% advantage from doing so.

Chile, if memory serves, chased down it's torturers. Let's see if we have the courage to do the same.

murphy,

no one who has been released from GITMO has gone back and joined the fight, no one. FACT.

In fact I would go so far as saying no one who has been renditioned has gone back to join or partake in the fight, no one.......fact.

MW--

Did you look at the pdf link in the WP story?

It is from the Penatagon--they name names and their activities and they go back to fighting.

" Most of those released so far have been captured again (or killed) trying to kill our soldiers"

Please link to your source on that claim.

Money War - here is some others

Moscow News - Two former Guantanamo prisoners, extradited to Russia in 2002, have been detained in Moscow on suspicion of preparing a series of terrorist attacks, the Vremya Novostei newspaper reported Tuesday.

And Money War here is the AP story;

WASHINGTON (AP) -- At least seven former prisoners of the United States at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have been involved in terrorist acts, despite gaining their freedom by signing pledges to renounce violence, according to the Pentagon.
At least two are believed to have died in fighting in Afghanistan, and a third was recaptured during a raid of a suspected training camp in Afghanistan, Lt. Cmdr. Flex Plexico, a Pentagon spokesman, said last week. Others are at large.

The seven were among 203 detainees released from the prison at the U.S. naval base on Cuba's southeastern tip since it opened in early 2002.

So..there are two of many ...these are the AP and the Moscow News...neither "right wing" news orgs. (as if there is such a thing). And the ones we released are the "good guys". The real bad ones we have not released yet.

They have no rights - as they were in civilian clothes when captured the Geneva Conventions say they could be shot as spy's.

So..I say it again...this is SOOO STUPID.....and you just proved my point

That statement from FOS is not factually correct.

Please see post #6 on the WP link then go to the Pentagon summary marked HERE...

They are going back and joining up to fight again and killing civilians (not soldiers).

Are they trying to kill soldiers--most likely. I mean if they are killing civilians--why not the soldiers?

Murphy,

Link to creditable source or admit everything you say is a lie.

I say again,

Not one individual released from GITMO has gone back to be captured again while trying to kill our soldiers.....FACT.

murphy is just posting lies for unknown reasons other than political hackery.

Fo and Murphy,

Do you actually think about what you are reading? Here I will help you.

NOT ONE GITMO RELEASED INDIVIDUAL HAS RETURNED TO TRYING KILL OUR TROOPS, NOT ONE.......fact.

The fact you are not understanding and actual seeing facts as the media presents them is revealing.

7 have returned, not 20 not 500 but 7. Have the names of those 7 and what those 7 are supposedly returned to doing.

Or is it just made up and paid up by our government without verifying just posting for people like you and murphy's benefit of delusional lying and belief.

Murphy

Your Return to the Fight Fact Sheet is impressive, I guess. If you don't care that there's no letterhead and no signature. My dog could have written it for all I know.

You seem impressed that it's on a nominal WP site.

Money,

Since it goes against what you believe - you will call everything posted lies. But it is there in the AP story - two killed in Afgainstan fighting.

Who where they fighting in Afganistan if not our soldiers?

And again...these were the BEST ones...if these were the best ones...what do think about the ones that are left...or do you think?

No..you..like the others..are so BIASED that you cannot see the truth if it hit you upside your head.

The TRUTH is: The ones we have let go were the best ones. Many of them have returned to some sorth of terriorist activity including return to fighting (per the AP). The ones that are left are the worst of the lot.

Our New Government intends to try them like Criminals - WHICH IS STUPID! They were not read thier "rights" as they did not HAVE ANY.

So...they will get off ..and then what? They will start killing AGAIN. HOPEFULLY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD ..not mine!

Shutting down Gitmo sounds so good to your "hate america first" ears..but the facts are these are very bad people that should be put to death.

The Pentagon did not identify the seven detainees believed to have returned to fighting, although a few names have been made public.

So they could just be making shit up and saying it is true.

Again, either show actual facts that prove what you say or admit your lying murphy and FOS.

but the facts are these are very bad people that should be put to death.

If that is true, then perhaps Bush should be tried for treason or something.

Why hasn't the Administration done its duty in your view?

Uh, blaming it on a Democrat congress doesn't count.

So the WP is lying with the Pentagon link naming the names of Gitmo terrorists released?

And going back to Afghanistan IS the battlefield --is it not?

The WP story also goes into what McCain and others (Dick Morris) have said and that they are inflating the numbers.

And from the SOD Gates--

Q Mr. Secretary, last week, several Sudanese detainees, including a cameraman for Al Jazeera, were released from Guantanamo. The Sudanese government -- they were delivered to Sudan, and the Sudanese government said that this was not the result of any negotiations with the U.S. government.

If that's the case, can you explain the circumstances for that release? And if it was an unconditional release, does that mean that the authorities are not considering these people enemy combatants?

SEC. GATES: I don't know the specifics in this case. We can get you an answer on that.

Q Mr. Secretary, just two weeks ago, an ex-Gitmo detainee killed himself and seven others in Iraq.

How significant a threat are these detainees that are returning to the battlefield?

SEC. GATES: Well, I was told today that the recidivism rate, if you will, of those who return, to the battlefield, is probably somewhere between 5 and 10 percent, maybe 6, 7 percent, something like that. We don't have a lot of specific cases. We're talking about 1, 2, 3 dozen that we have data on, some information.

So I would say that I think we do as careful a vetting job as we possibly can before releasing these people. There are a lot of -- there are a lot of prisoners down there, frankly, that we would be prepared to turn over to their home government, but the home government isn't prepared to receive them, or we don't have any confidence that if they still need to be incarcerated, that the home government will keep them incarcerated. So there are actually a fair number of the prisoners at Guantanamo that we would be prepared to send home if we had -- if their government would accept them and -- or if we had confidence that the government would continue to keep them incarcerated.

Killed in afgan. fighting?

Was it a bar fight? A family dispute with another family fight? What kind of fighting? We are told they were killed in afgan. fighting but notice not when where how who why nothing of that information and not even names.

It is all hyperbole and rhetoric without actual facts, it is a story, a tale without identifying facts.

Either link to actual facts or admit you are lying, it is one or the other. So far, YOU BOTH ARE LYING.

Again, not one individual in GITMO has gone back to kill our troops. FACT.

Baxter - Showing mercy is not a treasonable offense. As long as we kept them locked up the public was safe from them. But releasing hardend murders into the public would be treasonable...and that is EXACTLY what Obama and crew are planning to do.

And Money - I sent you the AP story...you can do the research your self. You said you wanted AP ...I sent you AP since you did not believe the others. The AP story said "killed fighting in Afganistan" with another captured there in training.

You are not willing to believe the AP ..because it goes against your preconcieved notions. You will not believe the Pentagon, you would believe something like the Huffington Post or some other left wing blog...but no the AP.

So...we are not lying ..you are just too biased to open your eyes to the truth. Closing Gitmo is a very dangerous and stupid move.

And another link

And Money - I sent you the AP story...you can do the research your self. You said you wanted AP ...I sent you AP since you did not believe the others. The AP story said "killed fighting in Afganistan" with another captured there in training.

I did and showed you they are hypothetical rhetorical lies.

Just admit your lying and making shit up.

no one gitmo individual has gone to attack our troops, not one.....fact.

So MW--your beef is that the statement going back to fight against or kill our troops is not accurate?

But then you do agree that it is likely they are returning to the fight and killing civilians?

"They were civilians, but terrorists consider them killing fodder anyway...."

I think you've forgotten the nature of modern war. While one side or the other might take steps to reduce civilian casualties, the war never stops because a few dozen or few dozen thousand are killed.

Puts me in mind of the very earnest young man who argued with me the fire-bombing of Dresden was morally acceptable.

Yah. Because his family never lived there, and he himself was never going to go closer to a shooting war than the next Young Republican.

Will they have a 'going out of business' sale?

I'd like to get a couple of those Luxurious Club Gitmo t-shirts.

I'd like to get a couple of those Luxurious Club Gitmo t-shirts.

I had fun when I was in Gitmo. Still have the T-shirt, too, though it has shrunk a lot in the last 30 years.

I had fun when I was in Gitmo. Still have the T-shirt, too, though it has shrunk a lot in the last 30 years.

GOATMAN

I'm tellin' ya!

Take printing. The type faces they're using are blurrier than 30 years ago. I'm having to use 1.25 reading glasses just to make out their unsatisfactory printing techniques if there isn't enough light. If only they could get restore 'old country' techniques in printing and clothing manufacture that don't shrink after the 100th washing we'd all be better off!

I'm having to use 1.25 reading glasses ...

I recently graduated from the 1.25 to the 1.50s. And speaking of those, I can tell you of a man who is going to be rich. Our safety glasses at work now have optional reading lenses on the bottom from 1.25 to 3.0. Whoever invented these will be a rich man soon. All us old farts were getting so tired of taking off our safety glasses and temporarily putting on the reading glasses to look at a schematic or something. Such a simple thing, but like wheels on luggage, it took years for someone to actually make it happen.

Goat who is the manufacturer? I need a pair of those. I have goggles I wear over my glasses but they suck.

Goat who is the manufacturer?

I don't know. The rig buys them bulk, of course, since they are required PPE. I will be back on the rig on Friday. Ask me then (if I don't remember myself) and I will find out for you.

I had fun when I was in Gitmo.
Still have the T-shirt, too, though it has shrunk a lot in the last 30 years.

#33 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-02 01:40 AM

And, of course, the reason the T-shirt has gotten a lot smaller these last 30 years has been purely due only to it shrinking and had absolutely nothing to do with any possibility the wearer of the shirt might have grown a little larger. LOL

Thanks Goat. I'm sure they would be a big hit with the other engineers I work with

Rasta: Check these out. Or google 'bifocal safety glasses'. There were a lot of hits.

Cali you are crazy for wanting to leave California. Have you ever been to Santa Cruz? Second best place on earth behind El Paso Texas.

Goat,

My company buys the same safety glasses, they are quite nice.

I also got tired of having to change and about a year ago came out with the focals in the safety glasses. The wear out faster but we have found the safety glasses are worn more. That's the goal.

I'm sure they would be a big hit with the other engineers I work with

But you, on the other hand, need to get your ass back to Building 3.

Alberto said the toilet won't quit running.

And they're out of GoJo.

Sincerely,

Your Supervisor

I also got tired of having to change and about a year ago came out with the focals in the safety glasses. The wear out faster but we have found the safety glasses are worn more.

Yep, it was about a year ago that we first saw them. As far as wearing them more, we are required to have them on whenever we are out on deck. It is a write up or termination if you are caught on deck without all PPE which for us is hard hat, steel toed lace up boots, safety glasses, and gloves.

Other PPE may be required at certain times or places, e.g. Tyvec (sp?) disposable suits are required on the rig floor when oil based drilling mud is being used. But ALWAYS safety glasses except in the accomodations part of the rig.

Pinche I am not employed as a custodian thank you very much.

What type of gloves are you talking about? Aren't you an ET? I would find it very hard to work with hand tools with thick heavy gloves on.

Pinche I am not employed as a custodian thank you very much.

"Sanitation Engineer III"

"Hygiene Tech 002"

I don't give a fuck.

Whatever.

Take it up with HR if you want.

GoJo.

Now.

Sincerely,

Your Supervisor

Aren't you an ET? I would find it very hard to work with hand tools with thick heavy gloves on.

Yes and yes. But actually the do give the ETs a little slack in this area. I have gotten used to wearing them and working with them on except on the smallest of things. They are relatively thin cloth with rubber on the palm side. The rubber side is rated to 240 volts, so that is one reason I've forced myself to get used to wearing them when I work.

The rig also provides more conventional, heavier work gloves, the but mechanics, electricians, and ETs are exempt from those and get to wear the more expensive cloth and rubber ones.

www.safetyglassesusa.com

I'm ordering these right now

#43 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-12-02 02

Those are sharp looking glasses.
You'll look like a movie star. lol

PINCHE

This is what I picture you'll be like before ya know it. LOL

Rasta-
Pinche Mao's point was that you are beneath him. Mao's only, or perhaps most convenient, way to express this is to imply that you are of a lower caste. Quite an un-American attitude, if you were to ask me...

Goat

Have you ever gotten a shock working as an ET?

Mao's only, or perhaps most convenient, way to express this is to imply that you are of a lower caste.

...or to imply that he doesn't think for a fucking minute your an engineer.

Which, frankly, is something our little Boyd might have picked up on had he bothered to read the thread instead of pursuing his class-based obsession.

Put powder on your hands before you post.

'Kay, Muffin?

Mao-
Look, fucktard: If you wish to demean another by implying they pick up your shit and wash your toilet, by all means continue to reveal yourself as the pampered ass that you are.

Kay, princess?

That is right Pinche Joto I work as a custodian. The high point of my day was placing the new urinal cakes in the urinals at work. Tomorrow if I am really lucky somebody will forget to flush and cause a flood that I get to mop up.

Pinche You have no Idea what I do for work. I work as a biomedical engineer and have done so for 10 years.

Rasta-
Thank you for your confession. It should now be clear to all that Mao is your superior, as you work with your hands and Mao works with his inheritance.

Have you ever gotten a shock working as an ET?

I've been bitten more times than I care to think about. Worst ever was in the Navy in the Persian Gulf. It was at least 125 F under the fantail where I was working on a relay logic circuit. (we didn't have PLCs yet) I was drenched in sweat. I grounded out 120 VAC through my elbow from the heel of my hand. Found out later I blew a 10 amp fuse. 100 mA (100 x less) across your heart can kill you. I was stunned and unable to move for over an hour. I still have the scar from that one.

If you wish to demean another by implying they pick up your shit and wash your toilet

Wow, Boyd.

That's a pretty narrow-minded description of his job.

Is what you think he does?

Just "pick up shit" and "wash toilets"?

Shitty Mao-
re: Is what you think he does?

Just "pick up shit" and "wash toilets"?

If he did I would respect him more than a pampered asshole such as you.

Just to get a ratio, and to get back on topic:

How many recent wars have you supported that you've served in?

Please express this in numerical terms, such as 1/2, 2/2, 0/2 etc.

Wow I have been shocked a few times but never couldn't move. Usually just a quick zap and dropped the wire. I did have a buddy when I was in the NG put telephone wires in his mouth. When the phone isn't ringing it gives a light buzz. He unfortunately did have the phone ring while the wires were in his mouth. He told me he couldn't taste anything for a few days. He is lucky he didn't have more problems than that.

If he did I would respect him more than a pampered asshole such as you.

I'm sorry...

The servant had me do a 180 on the table to massage my feet and I couldn't read the screen.

Fucking Gulfstreams are so cramped...

Carry on..

Gee, shitty, getting a bit racial on me. Is that how you judge people? By the honest work they do (not that you'd know anything about that), and by their color? Both seem to be a running theme with you.

Goat are you component level on the rig? Where I work we mainly do board swaps. With all the boards being multi-layered they are almost impossible to fix with are equipment inhouse. We troubleshoot to the board and swap it out.

Fucking Gulfstreams are so cramped...

Carry on..

#66 | Posted by Pinche_Mao

You need to upgrade to a G5 like I did.

How many recent wars have you supported that you've served in?

Roughly the same number of third world countries whose populations you've lended your expertise to to alleviate poverty and suffering caused by evil corporations.

When the phone isn't ringing it gives a light buzz. He unfortunately did have the phone ring while the wires were in his mouth

Yep. It's 48 VDC on an idle or open line, -- pretty benign -- but it is 10~, 90 VAC when ringing. Nasty stuff to have across your tongue.

Shitty-
I'm sure you have worked for every dime you inherited, but have some respect for those who had to work for every dime they earned.

Shitty-
Zero, in actuality, right shitty? You love to support wars and all sorts of fun stuff from a distance, good real non-toilet-cleaning American that you are...

Goat are you component level on the rig?

Thank god, no. I did in the Navy, though.

However, we will do easy component swaps e.g. volume pot for a squawk box or mouthpiece on a phone or an obviously burned resistor or exploded capicitor. We generally don't change out chips or transistors though.

You need to upgrade to a G5 like I did.

I would, but I simply cannot get daddy to sell his heifers anywhere other than Roswell.

Really.

If it were up to me, I'd find a far more civilized forum for such transactions---perhaps a cow buyer with a more...shall we say...reasonable price for stock of suck quality.

But alas...

*sigh*

He's such a reactionary, you know.

So old fashioned.

So a GIV it will be for now.

At least I'm not slumming it in a Citation X like those miserable feedlot saps.

Ta Ta...

You love to support wars and all sorts of fun stuff from a distance, good real non-toilet-cleaning American that you are...

Just as you love to support "social justice" and all sorts of fun stuff from a distance, good real non-toilet-cleaning American that you are...

Fuckers like you disgust me, shit. You hurl insults based on honest work, and attempt to impugn based on race, and all the while you know that you are a trivial man with not a glimpse of the courage of others convictions.

Hey betelg: How many slaughterhouses have you worked in? None? But you have the audacity to eat a hamburger?

So I guess you are saying that one should fight in a war they support? Well, that limits those who can rightfully support a war in your eyes to those between 18 and 32 (I believe that is the oldest you can enlist) and are able bodied.

Why do you think the elderly or disabled don't have the right to support military action? Are you prejudiced against them?

Shitty-
So, in other words, you wholeheartedly supported our wars, but being of age to fight, you had more important things to do (in addition to cheer-leading).

At least I'm not slumming it in a Citation X like those miserable feedlot saps.

Ta Ta...

Posted by Pinche_Mao

LOL

When you upgrade to the G5 you get to spell it 'tah tah' like civilized and cultured people.

It's been so long since I had to fly in one it'd be rough trying to get used to such a less luxurious plane. I'm ordering Kobi beef leather to reupholster the seats. They've been massaged so well it's just more cushy than standard high end leather.

So I guess you are saying that one should fight in a war they support?

Of course, if one is physically and mentally able to do so.

What is so hard to understand about that?

Boyd: So, in other words, you wholeheartedly supported flushing your shit down the toilet, but being of age to work in a sewage treatment plant, you had more important things to do (in addition to trolling).

Dang...I forgot. War has been outsourced to the very people Mao likes to make fun of.

My bad. I thought war was serious business, but I guess it's just a job for the not-Mao among us.

What is so hard to understand about that?

I don't understand what you have against the elderly or disabled being able to support a war.

Goatman-
re: Boyd: So, in other words, you wholeheartedly supported flushing your shit down the toilet, but being of age to work in a sewage treatment plant, you had more important things to do (in addition to trolling).

#83 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-02 03:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

No. I was talking about war. That you would equate such an endeavor to sewage treatment is your concern.

Pinche please tell me your educational history. I would like to know where you became so brainwashed by the right. Was it Bob Jones U or Liberty University?

Shitty-
So, in other words, you wholeheartedly supported our wars, but being of age to fight, you had more important things to do (in addition to cheer-leading).

Boyd-
So, in other words, you wholeheartedly support social justice and bulding a more equitable, global socio-economic era, but having the ability and resources to do so, you have more important things to do (like conflating production agriculture with wealth and privilege on a left-wing blog).

Goat-
Of course, if one is physically and mentally able to do so.

Don't be a jackass.

...Found out later I blew a 10 amp fuse. 100 mA (100 x less) across your heart can kill you. I was stunned and unable to move for over an hour. I still have the scar from that one.

#60 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-02 02:52 AM | Reply

Good Lord, Goat, that was one close call.
Sure glad you're still here to be able to tell us about it.

The Navy usually doesn't make one think of it as being all that hazardous. At least not the same as you would think of, say, danger in an Army combat unit. But hearing now about your electrical shock, and then the time you had to be airlifted off your ship when you had a chunk of your finger cut off, the Navy sounds like it can be almost as dangerous at times as serving in combat.

Actually, PINCHE, even the Gulfstream G5 is seeming a little cramped.

I'm looking at an Airbus A380. May configure it with a master suite, guest suite and basketball court/weightless room where my friends and I can either play 'air ball' or astronaut while the pilot does parabolic curves (or me and the lovely wife ...well). Plus, we won't have to refuel in Paris on our way to wherever.

BTW, you still on dialup on your GIV? The cord spool alone must take up most of the cabin and luggage area.

Was it Bob Jones U or Liberty University?

It was a pack of wolves, Rasta.

Seriously.

I'd link you the story, but it would compromise my privacy.

Sorry, man.

Pinche-
You were of age, but saw it as another's duty to fight and kill, as war is just another function of the state.

No. I was talking about war. That you would equate such an endeavor to sewage treatment is your concern.

It's OK to support some things that require someone to do a nasty job, yet not require yourself to, but you get to decide which ones apply.

IOW, a double standard that is set by boyd. Got it.

That you would equate such an endeavor to sewage treatment is your concern

Like sewage treatment, I think war is shitty.

Goatman-
That's an important point. Shitty, are you elderly or disabled?

I'm looking at an Airbus A380. May configure it with a master suite, guest suite and basketball court/weightless room where my friends and I can either play 'air ball' or astronaut while the pilot does parabolic curves (or me and the lovely wife ...well).

Oh my.

Us Little Fauntleroys of the range can only hope both the "grass-fed" and S. Korean markets explode before we get to the European birds.

Do take notes, though.

I'll try to convince Daddy its what we need.

Goatman-
right, goat. War is just like municipal functions like sewage treatment and water supply. I dig it.

Goat-
Perhaps Shitty is mentally unfit. Is that it, Mao?

Boyd: I'm kind of confused with your constant reference to 'shitty'. Is that your pet name for Pinche now? That's the best guess I can make from your inane usage of the word.

...Well, that limits those who can rightfully support a war in your eyes to those between 18 and 32 (I believe that is the oldest you can enlist) and are able bodied....

Somehow I would rather our foreign policy and the decision of whether or not to take our country to war not be left up to 18 and 22 year olds to decide merely because they are the ones able to do the fighting.

PINCHE

When that happens you get to have both.

The, ahem, G IV you can lease out or pull like a trailer behind an RV to use for shorter hops when you get where you're going.

Plus, with the A380 you can fly a herd of cattle to South Korea with the "Ranger" configuration - which is easy to do: You take out everything from the cabin and hustle 'em in. Two levels.

Pinche-
You were of age, but saw it as another's duty to fight and kill, as war is just another function of the state.

Boyd--
You are of age and ability, but see it as another's duty to empower the victims of capitalist exploitation, as the "social contract" is just another function of the state.

Why are you such a pussy?

Can't put your money where your mouth is?

People need you, Boyd.

Why are you talking to me?

(you only have to teach the cattle to climb the stairs)

Goatman-
"Pinche" is an expletive. Ask Pinche.

You are such a transparent asshole, shitty. You support a war, are of age, and yet it doesn't even cross your mind to enlist -- that's for other people.

War is just like municipal functions like sewage treatment and water supply. I dig it.

It doesn't matter to what degree you abhor a job -- you've made it clear that you have a double standard. You see no need to work in a nasty chicken farm to have the right to eat chicken, but you think it is necessary for someone to fight in a war they support.

There is no difference in the philosophy, only the degree of dislike in a particular person's eyes. And you seem to imply that it is you who gets to draw that line and decide which jobs are necessary to personally participate in in order to morally be able to support them.

How very wonderful for you.

"pinche" means either "fucking" or "kitchen boy" or "lousy" depending on where you are.

Not literal fucking, but as an adverb. Such as "This cake is fucking great!"

Carry on.

PINCHE

When you get the A380 you could consider (as I am) hauling the Gulfstream like this:

Look,shitty - if you would like to send an angry email to Noam Chomsky, that's your business. But please confine your criticism of me to things I have actually stated, coward.

Pinche" is an expletive

I know that it is. It is a mild one in most parts of Mexico. I've known that for decades in fact. I also know it doesn't mean 'shitty'. So my original question still stands. Is 'shitty' your pet name for Pinche?

(you only have to teach the cattle to climb the stairs)

Oh no.

I have little brown people to do that for me.

Unfortunately, the spring and fall works (you know...gathering and loading those awful beasts) find me on the Bertram...sipping a Mojito and watching the grass lines for Marlin.

Bad timing, you know.

Oh well.

You know what they say...

"If ranching were easy, then everyone would do it."

You are such a transparent asshole, boyd. You eat beef, are of age, and yet it doesn't even cross your mind to work in a slaughterhouse -- that's for other people.

Goatman-
Right....eating in a restaurant is precisely like supporting a war, in that war and cafes are natural and ongoing functions of any society.

(Do you ever read the nonsense you type?)

Oh, and the first definition of ostensibly means to profess or appear as something but to be something else.
So saying you're ostensibly more educated than someone else can actually be viewed as belittling oneself, unintentionally/ironically I would assume.
The second definition of ostensibly is what you were shooting for "fucking mao". Sorry, I read the dictionary in lieu of real fun.

Again, carry on.

You are such a transparent asshole, shitty. You support a war, are of age, and yet it doesn't even cross your mind to enlist -- that's for other people.

You are such a transparent asshole, Boyd. You pontificate about "injustice" and "inequility", have the ability and resources to go somewhere and make a meaningful contribution to assuage it, and yet it doesn't even cross your mind to go do so -- that's for other people and their taxable wages.

Shame on you.

Goatman-
re: You eat beef, are of age, and yet it doesn't even cross your mind to work in a slaughterhouse -- that's for other people.

Really, mofo, that's the most fucked up and strained comparison I've heard even from you.

chingao tu madre!

Pinche-
re: You pontificate about "injustice" and "inequility",...

Where do I do that?

(you only have to teach the cattle to climb the stairs)

Oh no.

I have little brown people to do that for me.

PINCHE

I wouldn't dream you'd do it yourself. Who'd get within 100' of cattle shit in a Brooks Brothers suit, or leather pounded softer than 'glove soft' by orphans who make 12 cents a day? Not me.

(Do you ever read the nonsense you type?)

I get it. Trick question. The answer is 'no' since I do not type nonsense.

As I said boyd, it must be wonderful for you that you get to set the demarcation point for the jobs one must personally be a part of in order to be able to morally support it. You must be quite proud to have that honor.

Americanunity, are you a pilot?

Goatman-
Right. War is just a job.

fucktard.

...in that war and cafes are natural and ongoing functions of any society.

Exactly. In every year that man has been on this planet there have been both eateries and wars.

Really, mofo, that's the most fucked up and strained comparison I've heard even from you

That's because you know it's right and you can't spin your way out of it.

Address Pinche's post #116, please, since you think my analogies are absurd.

I'm anxious to see your spin on that one.

Goatman-
Good thing we have a class of cooks and a class of those who fight in wars, neither of which are you or Mao. I was a fan of the Iron Chef, but I must admit that war TV struck me a bit different.

PINCHE

In case you're wondering how I made my money:

I secretly own the copyright on the words "fuck" and "liberal". Every time they're used online I make $10 - no matter how "fuck" is used . I made a fucking killing (and just made myself $40).

Just last month I made over $1,000,000 at FreeRepublic.com alone. I love those fucking twats! (another $10 just rolled in for that one too)

It seems that there was a day when we fought wars because we had to, and everyone participated in some measure, because it was self defense. Now, it's just like cooking, or plumbing. It's a warrior class of about 1% of the population forever engaged in war, while you observe.

boyd: Pinche's post 116, please? Or are you afraid that honestly answering it will openly brand you as a hypocrite? What are you afraid of, boy(d)?

So saying you're ostensibly more educated than someone else can actually be viewed as belittling oneself

Not really.

If I'm "ostensibly" more educated than someone else, it simply means I'm doing a better job at employing the traits that indicate a higher lever of education.

In other words, Boyd might have a PhD in "Black Studies", "Queer Theory", or "Sociology"----and I might have a welding certificate from Sul Ross's Continuing Education Program.

But when Boyd tries to apply his child-like, left-wing, and ad hominem-based argumentation to a discussion, his opponent will, inevitably, be "ostensibly" better educated than he.

I secretly own the copyright on the words "fuck" and "liberal". Every time they're used online I make $10 - no matter how "fuck" is used . I made a fucking killing (and just made myself $40).

LOL

I'm still trying to figure out how to get my royalties on the wheel. One of my ancestors invented it, you know.

Goatman-
I asked Pinche about that in my #119, asshole.

I secretly own the copyright on the words "fuck" and "liberal".

I bought "acedia".

Fuck.

Americanunity, are you a pilot?

#122 | Posted by Terminus

Got my private pilots license as a teenager. But, I like to dream about owning a jumbo jet LOL

I bought "acedia".

Fuck.

#133 | Posted by Terminus

COOL !! Another $10 !! LOL

Pinche-
re: If I'm "ostensibly" more educated than someone else, it simply means I'm doing a better job at employing the traits that indicate a higher lever of education.

Of course. This is why you can support wars without ever seriously considering getting shot at. It is truly a sign of your superior station in life.

TERMINUS

I bought "Cicada" like a dummy. They only come out every 13 to 17 years. I made a bad deal on that one

I asked Pinche about that in my #119, asshole

Yes, you asked, but we were looking for an answer. BTW, the answer to your question on post 119 is "on the DR".

Now, can you answer post 116, please?

It seems that there was a day when we fought wars because we had to, and everyone participated in some measure, because it was self defense. Now, it's just like cooking, or plumbing. It's a warrior class of about 1% of the population forever engaged in war, while you observe.

It also seems that there was a day when we grew our own food because we had to, and everyone chipped in to dig a ditch or design a set of corrals for those less fortunate, because it was the right thing to do. Now, it's just like "hope", "change", "the rich", and "the failed policies of the last 8 years". It's a altruistic class of about 1% of the population forever engaged in social justice and hackey-Sack, while you vote for tax increases on people and entities who actually produce something.

it simply means I'm doing a better job at employing the traits that indicate a higher lever of education.

It means you're professing those traits, but underneath this is untrue.

At least for the original definition of the term. Thought I'd look it up online in case you were correct and i made an ass of myself.

os⋅ten⋅si⋅ble
   /ɒˈstɛnsəbəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [o-sten-suh-buhl] Show IPA Pronunciation
adjective
1. outwardly appearing as such; professed; pretended: an ostensible cheerfulness concealing sadness.
2. apparent, evident, or conspicuous: the ostensible truth of their theories.

Generally I like to stick with the first defintion, but both can be used. Though you may be chuckled at by English majors. They're pricks anyway. Anyway, it was a minor point and I don't wish to interrupt the three way cockfight.

In other words, Boyd might have a PhD in "Black Studies", "Queer Theory", or "Sociology"----and I might have a welding certificate from Sul Ross's Continuing Education Program.

Queer theory? No gays in the family I take it.

Has anybody heard where LarryMohr is at? He hasn't posted in a while. I doubt Nanc will be back either.

I'm still trying to figure out how to get my royalties on the wheel. One of my ancestors invented it, you know.

#131 | Posted by goatman

So, YOUR family utterly ruined my ancestors log sled/vine/slave business !!

Grrrrrrrr

Goat-
re: Yes, you asked, but we were looking for an answer. BTW, the answer to your question on post 119 is "on the DR".

Quote me.

It is truly a sign of your superior station in life.

Well that and my Gulfstream.

And my Laotian girls.

Goddamn they can stitch a sweater.

Pinche-
I'm so sorry! You have worked your poor little fingers to the bone avoiding and supporting wars and lord knows how much you of the special class have provided jobs for us supplicants.

GOATMAN

My ancestors suggested one day to Karl Benz, "why don't you put an internal combustion engine on a carriage?" You see their names in the history books? Karl was a thief I tell ya !

Pinche-
re: while you vote for tax increases on people and entities who actually produce something.

Like wars that you support but would never dream of serving in?

Quote me.

Easy

How would you propose that the state enforce your desire for every woman to carry to term? In the case of rape or incest, must their be a conviction? Maybe each woman should just submit their plea to you directly, and then you can decide whether or not their case is worthy.

Posted by BetelG at 2008-12-01 03:25 PM |

(BTW, this is just one of many of your posts on that thread on this issue)

Sounds like you are whining about the injustice women suffer in having to carry a baby to term. So tell me, boyd, how much of your time and money have you spent to ensure that women have the right to have babies ripped from their womb? None? Well what the hell gives you the right to pontificate about it?

Want more examples? Your user pages are full of them.

Post 116, please? I've done your bidding. Quid pro quo. Now do mine, please.

PINCHE

If you get that A380 you'll be able to get online in the air over Asia. That sucker can hold a spool big enough for 12,000 miles of phone cable. You'd be all set. Plus, you get the full 56K bandwidth too with their upgrade pack.

And my Laotian girls.

Goddamn they can stitch a sweater.

#144 | Posted by Pinche_Mao

I'm surprised you let them near sharp objects

Goatman-
Now that you bring it up, what's your answer to this question:

How would you propose that the state enforce your desire for every woman to carry to term? In the case of rape or incest, must their be a conviction? Maybe each woman should just submit their plea to you directly, and then you can decide whether or not their case is worthy.

Now that you bring it up, what's your answer to this question:

Nope. Quid pro quo. You owe me an answer. Then I answer yours. See how this works? Please answer my question above:

"So tell me, boyd, how much of your time and money have you spent to ensure that women have the right to have babies ripped from their womb? None? Well what the hell gives you the right to pontificate about it?"

You aren't very good at tap dancing, BTW

Where is Buf Bob? Him and goat have had some classic arguments

boyd is da bOoB's proxy. *grin*

Goat-
re: So tell me, boyd, how much of your time and money have you spent to ensure that women have the right to have babies ripped from their womb?

Less time than you've spent with the American Taliban, it would seem.

Goat-
Now answer my question.

All right.

I gotta go count trees in the swamp tomorrow as I realize my superior station in life.

Though you may be chuckled at by English majors.

Not really.

Anyway, it was a minor point

And you did a fair job at attempting to make it.

Where is Buf Bob? Him and goat have had some classic arguments

#153 | Posted by rastaninja

I have pictures:

BTW, Goat, and now that Pinche has passed out...

I ain't hillbillydeluxe.

But I would like to know how, precisely, you and your theocratic friends would like to use the power of the state to enforce your family planning and enforce your reproductive beliefs with the same power of the state.

Less time than you've spent with the American Taliban, it would seem.

OK. Since you can't mouth the words, I'll translate:

"I have contributed nothing to ensure a woman's right to have an abortion. Therefore, my pontificating about it makes me a hypocrite vis-a-vis my argument with Pinche that he must fight in any war he supports."

BTW, the Taliban were not an issue during the six years I served my country in the Navy. I am too old and my health too bad to have enlisted when the Taliban became an issue.

As I said, you're not very good at tap dancing. Nor admitting your hypocrisy as far as that goes.

Later y'all.

ZZzzzzz time.

If you get that A380 you'll be able to get online in the air over Asia.

Its all about the cow prices, baby.

Just ask Boyd.

We're almost there.

F1 cows and 13" average annual rainfall.

Poverty sucks.

'Night :)

Goat who is the manufacturer? I need a pair of those.

#36 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-12-02 01:57 AM | Reply |

I knew of several companies in Memphis: Crews Inc., and Smith & Wesson Safety Products.

You might also look at suppliers for people who load their own ammo: Like gun stores.

Now answer my question.

Which one?

Shitty-
I figured you as a churl, and you never disappoint.

g'night, AU

g'night, Pinche

churl

Are you using the first definition....or the second?

night, K

'night Felix

Goatman-
It's pretty straightforward:

But I would like to know how, precisely, you and your theocratic friends would like to use the power of the state to enforce your family planning and enforce your reproductive beliefs with the same power of the state.

#159 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-12-02 04:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Or, as you put it:"have babies ripped from their womb", my Taliban friend.

my Taliban friend.

Oh. I thought the question was for me. Never mind.

Rude, but funny mao.

You may live. =D

Shitty Mao-
I'm truly sorry that you must resort to this:

Just like ole Boyd did as a West Texas/South American negro hybrid in those cotton fields of Lubbock.

Go pass out now.

Goat-
The question is for you. Here, as you quoted me:

How would you propose that the state enforce your desire for every woman to carry to term? In the case of rape or incest, must their be a conviction? Maybe each woman should just submit their plea to you directly, and then you can decide whether or not their case is worthy.

GOATMAN

Wanted to share this pic I took at the last BuffaloBob vs GOATMAN 15 rounder:

negro hybrid

Do those get good mileage?

...sorry

Which of those three, boyd?

Terminus-
Better than the perpetually drunk Pinche model, which clocks in at about two 19th century insults per shot.

rofl

Goat-
Pick one or two.

Goat-
You could start with these two:

How would you propose that the state enforce your desire for every woman to carry to term? In the case of rape or incest, must their be a conviction?

#2 no

That's mighty generous of you, Goat.

Do you like the Chinese model of reproductive state intervention, or do you have something more palatable in mind?

That's mighty generous of you, Goat.

Many know me for my generousity

I'm sure you are quite kind when you consider the reproductive health of women. Perhaps you should be appointed birthing czar, lest the irreligious rabble "have babies ripped from their womb" without your consent.

GOATMAN

Before I hit it I wanted you to see this stunning shot I took in the 15th round of the last BBob vs GOATMAN knockdown. You'll be sure to want to add it to your new PhotoBucket account:

LOL. Great shot!

GOAT

The stunned look on BBob's face came as a result of a blistering 'dUmMY' he threw that missed and hit your left horn and impaled his glove all the way through. Ouch.

Y'all have a good day.

"Gitmo's days are numbered".

SEND THEM TO SAN FRANCISCO.

Oh the rage, the rage.

LOL!

SANOBAMA: Pick up Barry Frank, Herb Moses and have a good time in SF.

#194 | Posted by ozzieoswald

Wrong thread. The one you're looking for is labeled "Homophobia."

Wrong thread. The one you're looking for is labeled "Homophobia."

#195 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I'm sure Oozie couldn't be wrong, Doc. He has assured me he "graduated near the top of his class" so he must be very, very smart.

"(Qzzie) "graduated near the top of his class""

If that's the case, there's only one explanation:

He & his sibling were home-schooled.

Dear #195 "DOC DICKHEAD" Get together with SANOBAMA. You can go also.
#196 | Posted by ozzieoswald

Diagnosis: Priapic obsession.

"(Qzzie) "graduated near the top of his class""

If that's the case, there's only one explanation:

He & his sibling were home-schooled.

#198 | Posted by Danforth

Why did a vision of Jody Foster in "Nell" pop into my mind just then?

He has assured me he "graduated near the top of his class"

His "class"? So we're talking about "vertebrate animals whose name is derived from their distinctive feature, mammary glands, which they use in feeding their young. They are also characterized by the possession of sweat glands, hair, three middle ear bones used in hearing, and a neocortex region in the brain"?

I'd like to narrow this down a bit, SA. Are we talking about live-birthing mammals or egg-laying mammals?

They are also characterized by the possession of sweat glands, hair, three middle ear bones used in hearing, and a neocortex region in the brain"?

I'd like to narrow this down a bit, SA. Are we talking about live-birthing mammals or egg-laying mammals?

#201 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Well, I thought it might be that one, right up to the neocortex region of the brain part. That's where the description fell apart.

"That's where the description fell apart."

Yeah, I agree. Once I saw it printed out on the page it did seem a bit of a stretch. Perhaps we should focus on opposable thumbs, prehensile toes, and the presence of functional or vestigial tails.

I don't give a crap where they are going to go, we rendered them it is our responsibility to put them up.

If they need tried then do so or release them.

As for captured again or trying to kill our soldiers is nothing but lying bull shit. Either prove that statement or we see you as a liar.

#4 | Posted by moneywar

They were caught on the battlefield before we rendered them. You try to make it seem as if we just picked up some guys off the road and imprisoned them. And there have been reports from the MSM that some of those that have been released have been either recaptured on the battlefield or killed there.

Furthermore, your hatred for Bush is severely clouding your judgement. You say you don't care where they are released to and that is simply irresponsible. I would hope that one got released and moved in right next to you. Oh, but you've already thought that thru and you know that they would probably not end up in your backyard which is why you don't care where they go.

Unless you can come up with a site that is respectfull of actual facts don't bother.

Not one of the gitmo released individuals have ever joined back into the fight....fact.

Spreading lying bull shit has no value other than you like the idea of rendition and holding without process as a national policy.

#7 | Posted by moneywar

How full of shit can you be? You call this a fact and you are full of shit. I can find numerous articles and accounts of detainees being recaptured but you can't find one single report that they haven't been. Why don't you link to something that shows how they've all become model citizens after their release? Fact.....bullshit.

Sorry, but it's un-American to imprison a man based on what he might do. Try them or let them go.

You want a banana republic, I recommend Honduras.

#12 | Posted by Zed

Did we let prisoners go during any other war? You seem to forget that these are not US citizens and that they were captured during a war. All you leftists keep screaming let them go with zero concern over what they may do while living in the US.

They were caught on the battlefield before we rendered them. You try to make it seem as if we just picked up some guys off the road and imprisoned them.

~Everwrong.

Au contraire, mon frere. While some of the folk at Gitmo were indeed captured on the battlefield a large number of them were either kidnapped off the streets of cities across Europe and the ME and sent to secret black sites to be tortured before making it to Gitmo or they were mostly innocent folks sold into US detention by folks who held a grudge against them.

And there have been reports from the MSM that some of those that have been released have been either recaptured on the battlefield or killed there.

If you, Everwrong, had spent 5 years in Gitmo yerself, even if you hadn't gone in there a terrorist odds are that you would have come out of there one.

Be Well.

So they could just be making shit up and saying it is true.

Again, either show actual facts that prove what you say or admit your lying murphy and FOS.

#23 | Posted by moneywar

This is such bullshit. She's provided the proof and you keep saying it's not credible or it's made up. Since she's provided plenty and it's not good enough for you, why don't you let us know what source is credible enough for your scrutiny.

You keep saying it's a fact that none have gone back to fighting but you have provided nothing to back that up. Why does Murphy have to provide links but not you? The dumbest thing about you continuing to use the word fact is that even common sense tells us that a certain percentage of prisoners will always go back to doing what they were doing when they were caught. It is basic common sense that says you are wrong in stating that not one detainee has gone back to fighting. Again, you are the one who is full of shit.

How full of shit can you be? You call this a fact and you are full of shit. I can find numerous articles and accounts of detainees being recaptured but you can't find one single report that they haven't been.

#206 | Posted by everlong

no one gitmo individual has gone to attack our troops, not one.....fact.

#29 | Posted by moneywar

Prove it, dickhead.

"no one gitmo individual has gone to attack our troops, not one.....fact."

At least 30 of those prisoners hitherto released from Guantanamo Bay have returned to the battlefield. S. Rep. No. 11090, pt. 7, p. 13 (2007) (Minority Views of Sens. Kyl, Sessions, Graham, Cornyn, and Coburn).

In one case, a detainee released from Guantanamo Bay masterminded the kidnapping of two Chinese dam workers, one of whom was later shot to death when used as a human shield against Pakistani commandoes. See Khan & Lancaster, Pakistanis Rescue Hostage; 2nd Dies, Washington Post, Oct. 15, 2004, p. A18.

Another former detainee promptly resumed his post as a senior Taliban commander and murdered a United Nations engineer and three Afghan soldiers. Mintz, Released Detainees Rejoining the Fight, Washington Post, Oct. 22, 2004, pp. A1, A12.

Still another murdered an Afghan judge. See . Rep. No. 11090, pt. 7, p. 13 (2007).

It was reported only last month that a released detainee carried out a suicide bombing against Iraqi soldiers in Mosul, Iraq. See White, Ex-Guantanamo Detainee Joined Iraq Suicide Attack, Washington Post, May 8, 2008, p. A18.

So I guess while Moneywar's statement may be technically true, the point he is trying to prove doesn't really hold.

Bullshit, Spud. Show me one credible source that says detainees were kidnapped. How can you say I'm wrong about them being captured on the battlfield by saying a 'large' number of them were captured elsewhere? Even if you were right it wouldn't make my assertion less correct.

show that the department actually can confirm that only one detainee had been killed or captured on a battlefield after being released from Guantnamo.

Most of the reports saying released detainees have gone back to the battlefield seem to originate with bloggers or Michelle Malkin.

#210 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

Okay, let's say that this is correct. It then shows that Moneywar is full of shit by saying it is a fact that none of them have ever gone back to fighting. Also, you guys are not using much common sense in this at all. Whether we've recaptured them or not certainly does not mean that they aren't back out there. I don't see your motivation for claiming that they are not. And I really am having a hard time believing that you believe none of them go back to fighting.

I would really like to know how any of you can honestly believe that none of these guys go back to fighting. Have you forgotten who these people are? Do you not recall their immense hatred for the US? Do you honestly believe that none of them go back to fighting when they are released? Do you really believe that?

Bullshit, Spud. Show me one credible source that says detainees were kidnapped

~Everwrong

For hours, the words come pouring out of Abu Omar as he describes his years of torture at the hands of Egypt's security services. Spreading his arms in a crucifixion position, he demonstrates how he was tied to a metal door as shocks were administered to his nipples and genitals. His legs tremble as he describes how he was twice raped. He mentions, almost casually, the hearing loss in his left ear from the beatings, and how he still wakes up at night screaming, takes tranquilizers, finds it hard to concentrate, and has unspecified "problems with my wife at home." He is, in short, a broken man.

There is nothing particularly unusual about Abu Omar's story. Torture is a standard investigative technique of Egypt's intelligence services and police, as the State Department and human rights organizations have documented myriad times over the years. What is somewhat unusual is that Abu Omar ended up inside Egypt's torture chambers courtesy of the United States, via an "extraordinary rendition"in this case, a spectacular daylight kidnapping by the Central Intelligence Agency on the streets of Milan, Italy.

Everlong,

Show me one credible source that says detainees were kidnapped.

It's pretty well-known that some detainees were turned in to American forces by fueding neighbors under the auspice that they were terrorists.

Most of those captured in this manner have been subsequently released.

Welcome to guerilla warfare - collateral damage is considerably higher. Of course, ALL collateral damage gets blamed not on those combatants hiding amongst civilians and shirking EVERY rule of warfare as set forth by Geneva - it gets blamed on the US military, which makes just about every effort conceivable to minimize collateral damage.

BFD, Spud. Who really cares? Your little story has nothing to do with the discussion we are having. We are talking about detainees who go back to fighting once released. Are there detainees who weren't caught on the battlefield? Yes. Are there detainees who won't go back to fighting? Yes. Are there detainees who will and have gone back to fighting? The left says no way, I say you're either incredibly ignorant or intellectually dishonest. Or is it just more Bush hatred that makes you hold onto such a ridiculous notion that no detainees rejoin the fight?

What happens when the Country they originate from doesn't want them back? Are you going to set them up in an apartment here in the U.S.? That's what we'll be obligated to do.

Are you going to set them up in an apartment here in the U.S.? That's what we'll be obligated to do.

#221 | Posted by wisgod

I would imagine they would be detained until somebody agrees to take them, just like any other deportee.

What happens when the Country they originate from doesn't want them back? Are you going to set them up in an apartment here in the U.S.? That's what we'll be obligated to do.

Great Questions!

A true shame we didn't have leadership that could see past lets invade Iraq it'll be a snap..

In response to $war...

There is a sorry record of detainees being released from Gitmo only to return to the battlefield to fight and kill again. At least 37 former detainees have done exactly that. One of them was Maulavi Abdul Ghaffar.

Released in 2002 after eight months at Gitmo, Ghaffar returned to Afghanistan to become Taliban commander of Uruzgan and Helmand provinces. He helped carry out attacks on U.S. troops in Afghanistan until he was killed by our Afghan allies on Sept. 25, 2003.

BFD, Spud. Who really cares?

Yer capacity fer not caring is only exceeded by yer capacity fer not thinking.

That's a trait you share with altogether too many of yer soul dead bretheren on the right.

Who would care if you were to picked up off the streets and flown to some hellhole where you were systematically torture into insensibility over years?

Would you care? Prolly.

Yer friends and family? If they knew? Most likely.

Who else should and would care about you in that situation?

Your little story has nothing to do with the discussion we are having.

Spud thought we were talking about BushCo's War Crimes and their pattern of abusing detainees leading to the awful question of wot now to do with these guys?

Have you moved the goalposts again?

We are talking about detainees who go back to fighting once released. Are there detainees who weren't caught on the battlefield? Yes.

Nice to hear you admit it.

Are there detainees who won't go back to fighting? Yes.

Beyond the fact that some detainees never fought in the first place, again you speak truth.

Are there detainees who will and have gone back to fighting? The left says no way, I say you're either incredibly ignorant or intellectually dishonest

Spud isn't on of the lefties of which you speak. Spud sees it as a natural step fer some of these guys to try and revenge themselves on the injustice done to them by becoming terrorists regardless of whether they really were such in the first place.

Unless you wanna try finding a quote by Spud specifically saying that there are no detainees who've gone on to become terrorists and the like then you are the one being disingenuous.

Or is it just more Bush hatred that makes you hold onto such a ridiculous notion that no detainees rejoin the fight?

Spud don't hate Dumbya.

Spud hates the Sin but luffs the Sinner cos that's how Spud rolls.

That sed, flip that question fer a sec.

Do you luff Bush, the person, so much that you are willing to turn a blind eye to all his many crimes and fuck ups?

Luff the Sinner AND Luff the Sin?

Is that how you roll?

Do tell.

Be Well.

Spud thought we were talking about BushCo's War Crimes and their pattern of abusing detainees leading to the awful question of wot now to do with these guys?

Have you moved the goalposts again?

We are talking about detainees who go back to fighting once released. Are there detainees who weren't caught on the battlefield? Yes

Go back and read my posts on this subject. Bush has not been mentioned once. I didn't move anything once much less again.

Oh, and you took who cares to mean what you wanted it to. Lefties love to make conservatives out to be cold and heartless which is pure bullshit. I wrote who cares because your reply had nothing to do with what I've been talking about. P.S. Liberals don't have a monopoly on compassion, although you love to think you do.

"Liberals don't have a monopoly on compassion, although you love to think you do.

#223 | Posted by everlong "

Certainly can't compete with you right-tards on compassion for corporate CEOs and fatcats.

Certainly can't compete with you right-tards on compassion for corporate CEOs and fatcats.

#224 | Posted by nullifidian

So, no liberals run corporations? What I'd really like to know is how do you know what levels of compassion any CEO has? It is a fact that conservatives give more to charity than do liberals. I just love how the left makes these broad statements with absolutely no way of showing if they're true or not. I understand though, we're just supposed to take your word for it since you are the world's best examples of compassion and charity.

So, no liberals run corporations?

That's something that has always been a source of amusement for me on this blog. The left loves to assign the Republican party to anyone that they think is evil. I'd like to know how they are so intimate with these CEOs or anyone else that they know their party affiliations.

A couple of weeks ago one blogger here (I think it was furio) actually told me that all the people who buy cheap homes and flip them (at the expense of the underclass, of course) are republicans. WTF? How in the world does someone know these things?

WTF? How in the world does someone know these things?

#226 | Posted by goatman

I wonder the same thing. And the libs claim to be so intelligent yet they make claims and comments like that all the time. You would think with all of that intelligence that they would be able to see the error in making such blanket statements.

When have we ever released prisoners in a time of war? When the war was declared over.

But since there never was declaration the war was on in the first place, we may have to create such just so we can end it properly.

Which is fine with me.

Put another way: we've had eight years of silly fictions standing in for practical justice.

Try them or let them go.

For those of you who believe we should release the people in Gitmo. I think we should ship them to your hometome. Let's see if they behave or go back to killing.

"Get something from a mainstream like ABC, CBS, reuters, AP or any credited media that actually has to verify the facts.

Nothing you post is ever valid, or creditable."

Statement like the above, show me what AH people can be. Clean it up you politicaly correct individuals.

Bush admits lying intel about iraq yet feels we should not let those who defended their nation out of prison. Irony at its best.

For those of you who believe we should release the people in Gitmo. I think we should ship them to your hometome. Let's see if they behave or go back to killing.

#230 | Posted by yoemanbob

I think you misunderstand. No one is proposing that we just let them go - only that they must be brought to trial.

Of course liberals love more and have more compassion. Just ask Hollywood.

The closing of gitmo would benefit whom?

How?

Oh, it would send a message that terrorists can operate with impunity, and the U.S. will devise a system to exempt them from repercussions for their action.

Wow! How glorious.