Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs
Monday, December 01, 2008

President-Elect Barack Obama named his national security team on Monday, with former political rival Hillary Clinton in line to be picked as secretary of state.

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Good thing Bubba released the names of all the donors to his humanitarian foundation, you know, the one that has saved millions of lives.

You never know how many criminals you can find donating to these causes.

Er, an intended nominee. Obama doesn't have the capacity to appoint anyone to any position for a while. He's ot the sitting President. It's not a fait accompli.

Get real.

It is real Johnson. Actual reality.

Spitballing, Johnson?

This stuff must really be getting under your skin....

I hope it CRAWLS......

Good thing Bubba released the names of all the donors to his humanitarian foundation, you know, the one that has saved millions of lives.

It helps offset the hundreds of thousands he killed through Iraqi sanctions. It's like carbon footprint, only with people!

"Er, an intended nominee."

Thanks for clearing that up Johnson and look he did it in less than 1,000 words of nonsense. You see, you can be just as idiotic in short sentences as long boring paragraphs.

Obama doesn't have the capacity to appoint anyone to any position for a while. He's ot the sitting President. It's not a fait accompli.

Even if he was president today, it wouldn't be a fait accompli. Clinton has to be approved by the Senate.

dont mean to spam or nothing but this should have been put here

and so did anyone else read about the secret war in somalia???

and as to these appointments

just this morning I heard on TWO seperate conservative hosted shows talking about how these appointments were okay

so is barry going about this totally differnent than most

he goes WAY LEFT To get elected and then moves almost middle road.....and then AFTER BEING relected...unless he is onendone....THEN he will go off the liberal deep end........

one thing I know for SURE even from a lib contribtor on fox this weekend

the far left is NOT HAPPY.........no sir not happy at all.............

I'm more excited about the pick of Gen. James L. Jones as as national security adviser. I think Obama hit the nail on the head here.

en.wikipedia.org

WAY LEFT to get elected?

Some were saying he went "TOO RIGHT or TOO MIDDLE" to get elected.

LIBERAL DEEP END? FAR LEFT? No way.

And who is REALLY UNHAPPY? The RIGHT (near, far and middle)

what I was saying is

he talked right up the leftwing kook talking points and all TO GET ELECTED

and now he is appointing people are arent who even I would call 'far left'........

so is this a move to the middle?
or what????

as I said.......just this morning I heard some good 'vibes' from two of the more right wing talkers that I listen to

No matter who he chose the same chorus of right wing tools would criticize. I like the fact that he ignored them and chose who he felt can do the job.
The more he ignores the right the better off the country will be.

blt WHY do YOU type like THIS?

lay OFF the TEQUILA so early IN the morning.

"Obama doesn't have the capacity to appoint anyone to any position for a while. He's ot the sitting President."

Wow.

That "johnson" is a quick one.

Good thing he's around to clarify these confusing situations.

That "johnson" is a quick one.

Good thing he's around to clarify these confusing situations.

#14 | Posted by Dave

He's my hero. How could any of us ordinary folks ever hope to understand anything about how our government works, or the biological reproductive functions of men and women without him?

He just knows everything about, well, everything.

I believe the Clinton' have forced him into it.

No matter who he chose the same chorus of right wing tools would criticize. I like the fact that he ignored them and chose who he felt can do the job.
The more he ignores the right the better off the country will be.

#12 | Posted by danni at 2008

actually this general statement is pretty far off the mark and you would know it IF you bothered to hear both sides of issues....

I REPEAT.........will he ever be able to fire her???

"as I said.......just this morning I heard some good 'vibes' from two of the more right wing talkers that I listen to"

And you said he couldn't bring about change....he is conning the right into what he wants so when he takes office his agenda will be met. I am far left and I am damn happy with his picks so far, this is why I voted for him!

LM

"The more he ignores the right the better off the country will be.

#12 | Posted by danni"

I would say the same of the Left. Obama seems to be right in the middle and that's where he should stay. Both sides have good ideas, and both sides want whats best for the country. He should listen to every moderate voice out there.

Even as a strong Obama supporter I can't help but see this as kind of a reward appointment. That's not to say she can't do the job or won't be successful, I think she will be, just that her support in the campaign is being rewarded.

"I believe the Clinton' have forced him into it."

And just how could they have "forced" him into it???

as I said.......just this morning I heard some good 'vibes' from two of the more right wing talkers that I listen to

#11 | Posted by bushlovertwo

I'm sure there are a few extreme left wingers who don't particularly like Obama's picks. But for the most part, Obama supporters are far and away very happy about how the Administration is shaping up.

Remember he has said he wants to be President of all of America, not just the Blue part. Maybe, just maybe he's setting up an Administration that can facilitate that.

"Remember he has said he wants to be President of all of America, not just the Blue part. Maybe, just maybe he's setting up an Administration that can facilitate that.

#21 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue"

Here's hoping. And what a welcome change that would be too!

blt WHY do YOU type like THIS?

lay OFF the TEQUILA so early IN the morning.

#13 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe at

Because my hands are busy since AS YOU SAID

I cant lay off margarita this morning...

get it
get it

what a tool.

SA.........some lady named powell I think it was was on FOX this weekend and she said that she was really disapointed with obama making these picks and that they are not the "CHANGE" that he led them to believe would happen.....

but look.........ANYTIME or place or event or office or whatever that there is a CLINTON involved..
its real simple its more about THEM than anyone else............

and the wierd part is...they were opposed to each other on issues that are DIRECTLY a part of her position.....thats the part that confuses me.........national health care? okay..sure...could see that.........nationalize corporations..sure again

but foreign policy was where they had their major disagreements...wasnt it????

what a tool.

#24 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe at

yeah but its funny

" on FOX this weekend and she said that she was really disapointed with obama"

I'm shocked, I tell you...shocked.

Every guy names his pecker.

Ok...yours is named Margarita. I get it. :)

yeah but its funny

#26 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-12-01 11:20 AM

no. it's not.

Every guy names his pecker.

Mine hasn't been christened, but my girlfriend has named my testicles. The left one is Federico and the right one is Mr. Bobo.

Now you know just in case the Final Jeopardy answer is ever "Goatman's testicles", you can ask, "Who are . . . ."

"but foreign policy was where they had their major disagreements...wasnt it????"

So, perhaps he wanted someone who would not just agree with him and that would challenge his ideas without being ideologically opposed to his views.

she can't christen what doesn't please her.

So do WE get to see the list of donors?

How about all that transparency?

And keeping Gates just reaffirms that Bush is doing it right on the war fronts.

As for Clinton--now she can't run against him in 2012. Pretty good plan there by Obama.

As for the one running to the left during the primary --then to the center for the general--I can't imagine folks on the left aren't just a little peeved that Obama lied to get elected.

As the Zen Master says--"We'll see".

"The more he ignores the right the better off the country will be.

#12 | Posted by danni"

I would say the same of the Left. Obama seems to be right in the middle and that's where he should stay.

Obama's going to govern from a center-left position, which is where the country wants to be right now. BLT is just pissed that Obama has shown he will be a much better (not that hard really) President than Bush was or McToast could have hoped to be.Putting Hillary in as Sec. State allows him to tap into Bubba's residual global appeal as well as keep Hill from undermining him.

can't imagine folks on the left aren't just a little peeved that Obama lied to get elected.

#33 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-01 11:26 AM

newsflash mckankles.....they ALL lie to get elected.

"As for Clinton--now she can't run against him in 2012."

Sure she can. Provided the next 4 years aren't a monumental disaster she won't, but there's nothing stopping her if she wants to run.

It helps offset the hundreds of thousands he killed through Iraqi sanctions. It's like carbon footprint, only with people!

#5 | Posted by IraqiBukkake

Your ignorance is blinding.

www.globalpolicy.org

But--but --but---It's Obama who is lying!

" on FOX this weekend and she said that she was really disapointed with obama"

I'm shocked, I tell you...shocked.

#27 | Posted by Danforth

I should have reminded you that she was a guest on fox and was chararacterized as left wing.........

yeah but its funny

#26 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-12-01 11:20 AM

no. it's not.

#29 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe at 2008

you say that because your sense of humor is at best demented.

But--but --but---It's Obama who is lying!

#38 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-01 11:29 AM

as smurphy's world collapses around her.

you and blt should have kids. really.

you say that because your sense of humor is at best demented.

#40 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-12-01 11:30 AM

appreciate the compliment!

but foreign policy was where they had their major disagreements...wasnt it????"

So, perhaps he wanted someone who would not just agree with him and that would challenge his ideas without being ideologically opposed to his views.

#31 | Posted by danni at 2008

good answer but I just dont think its true.
they will clash sooner or later..........just watch and see.

"Obama's going to govern from a center-left position, which is where the country wants to be right now."

I agree. I just hope that's where he stays. When Bush was elected it seemed the country wanted to be in a Center-Right position, and he took that to believe the country wanted a far right conservative country. I hope Obama and the Dems learn from the GOP's mistake. If you pull the pendulum too far in one direction it swings back just as hard.

It's your world hillbilly--the man is a liar and you deflect to name calling of the ones pointing out the obvious.

At least admit the man is a liar--untruthful, doing it because he is a politician--and as you pointed out--they ALL lie.

Hey--when Obama is ignoring the left--that is great for the country.

Obama's going to govern from a center-left position, which is where the country wants to be right now. BLT is just pissed that Obama has shown he will be a much better (not that hard really) President than Bush was or McToast could have hoped to be.Putting Hillary in as Sec. State allows him to tap into Bubba's residual global appeal as well as keep Hill from undermining him.

#34 | Posted by northguy3 at

well there you are numb nutted old boy

I guess the mid morning break at the 'home' is about now..

so here is another thing.

last weekend in cedar park iowa.

THE PRESIDENTIAL Campaign of 2012 was begun and someone spoke there who you lefties are going to have to REALLY dig for some shit

bobby jindel is a real threat to barry with his conservative views from a RHODES SCHOLAR.....

and HEY I KNOW a rhodes scholar when I see one...ha ha...

only problem with him is that he took his nickname from bobby on the brady bunch........

well we cant all be PERFECT.........

Thats why the fuck I said that, she no experience acting as a Sec of state.

It's your world hillbilly--the man is a liar and you deflect to name calling of the ones pointing out the obvious.

At least admit the man is a liar--untruthful, doing it because he is a politician--and as you pointed out--they ALL lie.

#45 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-01 11:33 AM

i did, hon. i said they ALL lie to get elected.

bobby jindel is a real threat to barry with his conservative views from a RHODES SCHOLAR.....

it's jindal, i believe and he's a hell of a lot better pick than caribou bimbo.

Note to self. Christmas present for Murph. Post-partisan panties.

www.cleveland.com

as smurphy's world collapses around her.

you and blt should have kids. really.

#41 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe at

well that depends.........
hey murphy........hows the supply of cyalys around your part of the world???

and you are right..

and no matter what lefties here try and say..
there is a grumbling hoard of liberal wacks out there who arent happy about all of this

remember that we are supposed to be out of iraq about two days after he takes the oath.

AT LEAST ACCORDING TO WHAT HE WOULD TELL SOME PEOPLE

AT LEAST ACCORDING TO WHAT HE WOULD TELL SOME PEOPLE

#51 | Posted by bushlovertwo at 2008-12-01 11:38 AM |

when did he tell you this?

"remember that we are supposed to be out of iraq about two days after he takes the oath."

And so now the same folks who argued against timeline for leaving, etc. will start whining that he takes around....oh....sixteen months or so to get us out of Iraq....incidentally....exactl
y as he said he would.....too funny!

I can hear their arguments now...."but he took seventeen months...see he's a liar!!!!"

bobby jindel is a real threat to barry with his conservative views from a RHODES SCHOLAR.....

it's jindal, i believe and he's a hell of a lot better pick than caribou bimbo.

#49 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe

JIndel is the southeast texas proununciation of it.

"The nylon underpants -- bedecked with red lace-trimmed Republican elephants or blue lace-trimmed Democratic donkeys -- allow customers to subtly support their candidates. Could sales tell us which team is ahead in Ohio? Hmmm, it was neck and neck early on, but as of last Friday, "in the panty race, the Republicans have taken a lead, 60 percent to 40 percent," said John Bryan via e-mail."

Corky's link #50--

Too funny Corky--FF

Glad to make you smile, Murphy.

when did he tell you this?

#52 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe at 2008-

well its hard to say since he would say one thing to rich people in california when he needed money and a whole different thing when he was with moveon.orgers and yet a different thing was said for him by the media

so your guess is as good as mine

but surely you dont think that he WASNT talking about this when he said that ONE THE FIRST DAY OF HIS ADMINISTRATION he would have the generals in his office and give them a NEW PLAN.......

And so now the same folks who argued against timeline for leaving, etc. will start whining that he takes around....oh....sixteen months or so to get us out of Iraq....incidentally....exactl
y as he said he would.....too funny!

Danni -- why must you twist and spin the intent of the post? It is clear that he is not complaining that the troops will not be out expeditiously, he is pointing out that Obama lied.

Or is your brain so left sided you really did miss the true intent of the post?

Hmmm, it was neck and neck early on, but as of last Friday, "in the panty race, the Republicans have taken a lead, 60 percent to 40 percent," said John Bryan via e-mail."

55 | Posted by MURPHY at 2008-12-01 11:46 AM

did he mention anything about the women in his e-mail?

danni.........this TIMELINE was going to happen regardless because of SUCCESS IN IRAQ by the bush administration and the surge..........and obama will just be given the credit

its an old story here and one we have been pointing out for some time

he will take credit for success in iraq and blame bush for econimic failure for YEARS TO come

times up

gotta go

have a great day

Obama lied

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-01 11:49 AM

oh the horror!

Hill billy--the link is for Women's panties.

You can draw your own conclusions.... lol

it went over your head. go figure.

. . .Obama lied

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-01 11:49 AM

oh the horror!

Fixed that for you with the ellipses, hillbilly. When things are taken out of context, it should be indicated since it often (as in this case) changes the original meaning.

Note to self. Christmas present for Murph. Post-partisan panties.

www.cleveland.com

Posted by Corky

Hey, the Westlake location is just up the street from me. Let me know if anyone needs me to pick them up a pair.

you squeak when you fart don't you?

relax. i'm just having fun.

you squeak when you fart don't you?

If the ones around me are lucky because I won't otherwise warn them. (I'm having fun, too)

She will make a great Secretary of State. Once she gets started talking she will wear down the other diplomats so fast that they will agree to anything just to make her be quiet.

"bobby jindel is a real threat to barry with his conservative views from a RHODES SCHOLAR....."

Somehow I find it hard to believe a RHODES SCHOLAR will be distracted by wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage.

What will the evanjihadists do about that?

And keeping Gates just reaffirms that Bush is doing it right on the war fronts.

#33 | Posted by MURPHY

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Bush got pulled kicking and screaming into firing Rummy and appointing Gates, so don't go crowing about it as a major executive decision.

And just how could they have "forced" him into it???

#20 | Posted by danni


Obviously they got ahold of the only remaining copy of the mythical "whitey" tape.

And keeping Gates just reaffirms that Bush is doing it right on the war fronts.

#33 | Posted by MURPHY

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Bush got pulled kicking and screaming into firing Rummy and appointing Gates, so don't go crowing about it as a major executive decision.

#70 | Posted by TFDNihilist

And let's not forget that the primary reason Gates was chosen in the first place was to help Bush find a way out of Iraq.

I think she would have given him a spot in her Admin should the roles be reversed. Keep your friends close & your enimies closer right? The Clintons do not share power but OB is just as ambitious for power as they are and I think they were a little thrown off by that. My concern has been & continues to be the love-fest all these folks have with the UN. Will they do anything just to be liked by the world? I hope not. I'm trying to be optimistic but I just don't trust any of them especially the Clintons. Bill's in the pic, he & Hill are a package deal, take one you get them both. OB doesn't inspire much trust either. Something scary about someone with so much self-love.

Obviously they got ahold of the only remaining copy of the mythical "whitey" tape.

#71 | Posted by Kinger

And, of course, they have the copy of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate which they were too nice to use during the primary campaign.

Didnt know you were there, TFD, thanks for the inside info.

In all seriousness though, I think this is a good decision for Obama. I supported Clinton early in the primaries because I honestly think she would've be a good POTUS, but her strategy of "attack attack attack distract the electorate GAS TAX HOLIDAY WOOOO" didn't sit well with me. There really wasn't that much difference policy-wise between her and Obama, they just created two different cults of personality.

She'll do a good job as Secretary of State.

Biden and Clinton are as responsible for authorizing the Iraq war as the Shrub. And Rice always did more for war than diplomacy.

Change???????????????

The position of Secretary of State is one of being an extension of POTUS. SoS does POTUS' bidding. Right there this suggests to me that this is a bad fit.

I envision the first foreign polity meeting between Clinton and Obama to be just like this:

www.youtube.com

"Biden and Clinton are as responsible for authorizing the Iraq war as the Shrub."

Really? Which one made the decision to invade and occupy?

I envision the first foreign polity meeting between Clinton and Obama to be just like this

78 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-12-01 12:58 PM

sad.

Hilbilly - did you watch the video?

Commentary: Why Obama's picks will make Bill Clinton smile

Many observers use historian Doris Kearns Goodwin's term, "A Team of Rivals," to describe the Cabinet that President-elect Barack Obama is assembling.

They use the term to characterize choices like former Obama opponent Sen. Hillary Clinton -- expected to be nominated Monday as secretary of state -- and current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, who is being asked to stay on by Obama.

But a more useful term might be a team of centrists. The most striking characteristic of the current lineup is how the personalities reflect the centrist vision of the Democratic Party promoted by Bill Clinton and his colleagues at the Democratic Leadership Council in the 1990s.

Obama has called on experts who aggressively promoted globalization and deregulation on economic matters, pushed for welfare reform, and accepted the necessity of military force and a strong defense. There are exceptions, but overall thus far, it appears Obama will be advised from the center.

Some of Obama's core supporters are surprised and upset with his choices, while others say his choices are a logical reaction to the crises facing his administration.

A close look at Obama's development since 2004 suggests centrism should have been expected. There is little evidence beyond his history as a community organizer to indicate Obama is left of center.

www.cnn.com

Being Left-Center myself, I understand what Bubba did, that governing is done from the center. I don't always like it, but there it is.

Hilbilly - did you watch the video?

#81 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-12-01 01:17 PM | Reply

yes i did jeffy. it should be dorkman vs dorkman.

I don't understand all the twitter about this, Obama predicted this over a year ago:

www.drudge.com

Now you know just in case the Final Jeopardy answer is ever "Goatman's testicles", you can ask, "Who are . . . ."

Well, now we know what GOATMAN lives for...

it should be dorkman vs dorkman.

#83 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe

Understood. However, I don't think you realize how difficult it is to choreograph something like that. Those guys are really good.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Be it real or imagined, the lightsaber is the greatest weapon of all time. You do realize that it's not as clumsy or random as a blaster. It's an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.

Good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living, that's something else.

I do understand that a lot of people bought into the very Left rhetoric of the primary, designed to garner Dem votes, as if it were the same language that would be used in governing.

It ain't, and some people will just have to get over it.

Your ignorance is blinding.

You're a joke Corky. Wow, Bill Clinton's illuminating truth on the situation is "that's not true!" Wow, powerful stuff. He should of spoke to Madaline Albright and Billy Richardson...they both said 500k dead kids were worth it. Oh, and did you read the rebuttal to Bill Clinton in your own link? Evidently not...ha ha.

Honestly, who would have known that first people to suffer were old people and children in sanctions? I mean, why wouldn't he listen to us when we told him those sanctions are supposed to starve his military and not the weak?

All this rehashed bullshit aside, you have to be creaming in your shorts today. We basically got Hillary in the White House. She was put in charge of the one area in which Obama and she had fundamental differences. It's amazing how it all works itself out, isn't it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Be it real or imagined, the lightsaber is the greatest weapon of all time

#86 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-12-01 01:26 PM

the fact that mommy lets you out of her basement boggles the mind.

Well done, Alex!

#90 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe

Ooh! A 'blogger in the basement' swipe...so...original.

Ooh! A 'blogger in the basement' swipe...so...original.

#92 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-12-01 01:31 PM |

...but true.

Jeffy

I'll take you on with mah Weirding Module.

"Muad'dib!!"

With this appointment, does anyone believe that any significant number of troops will be out of Iraq in 16 months?

Cream Face wants to blame Bill Clinton for Saddam not feeding children when he plenty of money to do so?

Insanity.

and he took that to believe the country wanted a far right conservative country. I hope Obama and the Dems learn from the GOP's mistake. If you pull the pendulum too far in one direction it swings back just as hard.

#44 | Posted by GreenDad

Excuse me, but Bush is a far cry from being far right and he did not govern from that position either.

"Excuse me, but Bush is a far cry from being far right and he did not govern from that position either."

Yeah, he was a tax and spend liberal who forgot to do the tax part. Whatever you want to call him, he and his cabal have destroyed the American economy for the benefit of the wealthy. They too will lose but they didn't realize it when they signed on to his war on the middle class.

Cream Face wants to blame Bill Clinton for Saddam not feeding children when he plenty of money to do so?

Welcome to partisan politics, Cork.

It's Clinton's fault that Saddam's 'Oil for Food' money didn't reach the intended recipients.

It's Bush's fault that insurgents in Iraq enjoy blowing up innocent civilians to further 'their cause'.

It's Clinton's fault that the CIA assured him that his 1998 missile strikes would take out a WMD factory when reality was that it was an aspirin factory.

It's Bush's fault that the head of the CIA assured him WMD's were a slam-dunk.

...and on it goes.

And so now the same folks who argued against timeline for leaving, etc. will start whining that he takes around....oh....sixteen months or so to get us out of Iraq....incidentally....exactl
y as he said he would.....too funny!

I can hear their arguments now...."but he took seventeen months...see he's a liar!!!!"

#53 | Posted by danni

And what will you say when we are still there 3 years from now? Do you honestly believe he's going to actually pull the troops anywhere near those 16 months? Sit back and watch and learn, Danni.

Excuse me, but Bush is a far cry from being far right and he did not govern from that position either.

#97 | Posted by everlong

Bush, perhaps not, But Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Feith, Bolton, Wolfowitz, and many, many others sure were. And they had a tremendous and disastrous impact on how he governed.

Cream Face wants to blame Bill Clinton for Saddam not feeding children when he plenty of money to do so?

Insanity.

Reality.

And...it's all in your link you used to defend your point. The perfect self retorting retort. I'd say this is too easy, but I didn't really have to do anything.

#98 | Posted by danni

Given how much you hate all things right-of-center, you should view the Bush presidency coupled with Republican control of congress as a blessing in disguise.

They had a tremendous opportunity and pissed it away.

It probably set the conservative movement back a good 8 years, if not more.

Plenty of time for the Democrats to continue to grow the centralized state, particularly if they do so incrementally.

When one party gets too much power things always go too far in one direction. Hopefully the Obama administration uses their power in a controlled fashion. I didn't like Bush because he went to far and I won't like Obama if he goes too far. Most Americans are centrist and I hope he governs that way.

...and on it goes.

#99 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-12-01 01:42 PM

i'll call him obvious....captain obvious!

Plenty of time for the Democrats to continue to grow the centralized state,

I don't know, jeff -- if the democrats who are just coming into power are anything like the democrats on this blog, they are too busy gloating about their wins and thumbing their noses to make changes (good or bad) to the government.

The pendulum will continue to swing from the left to the right and back again as it has forever.

-I'd say this is too easy, but I didn't really have to do anything.

Nor say anything, which you haven't.

I don't know, jeff -- if the democrats who are just coming into power are anything like the democrats on this blog, they are too busy gloating about their wins and thumbing their noses to make changes (good or bad) to the government.

106 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-01 01:51 PM |

you obviously weren't here in '04.

you obviously weren't here in '04.

You obviously don't understand that a pendulum's period isn't necessarily four years.

Still having fun, or what?

Goat I hope you are wrong. I think as a democrat I need to hold my party accountable just the way I held Bush accountable. Too far left is just as scary as too far right. I'm sure nobody wants to enter the realm of the former ussr.

You obviously don't understand that a pendulum's period isn't necessarily four years

109 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-01 01:54 PM

i understand that for the most part, you talk out your ass.

you ain't that smart, boy.

....oh yeah. still having fun "goat" man.

We'll see, Goat.

Given that the Democrats have mostly had control of congress since the '30's, they, as a party, are more politically savvy that Republicans.

They thought they'd control the house for eternity and lost it for all of 12 years. Now that they have it back, I think we'll see their agenda forwarded in a very cautious way.

In '94, Republicans swept congress and not only got over-excited, but got power-hungry real quick. They were the cause of their own demise, but got a lot of short-term satisfaction out of their new-found power.

i'd ask what "goatman" means, but i don't want to get too personal.

you ain't that smart, boy.

You got that right. But getting one right a day ain't very good odds -- boy. LOL

Bur I gather being wrong is what you call "having fun" LOL

Bur I gather being wrong is what you call "having fun" LOL

#115 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-01 01:59 PM |

"bur"?

Hillbilly,

Near the bottom of your keyboard, on both sides, you'll see a key labelled shift. If you hold this key down while simultaneously pressing a letter key you will convert said letter from lower-case to upper-case. This is useful given that the first word in a sentence is supposed to be capitalized, as are proper nouns.

You're welcome.

slow down, boy.

"Plenty of time for the Democrats to continue to grow the centralized state"

You might actually have a point, if the current so-called Republicans hadn't grown "the centralized state" more than any Democrat's wet dream.

Too far left is just as scary as too far right.

They're both scary. I no more want communism than I want fascism.

But I have faith in my founding fathers and the Constitution they wrote and the onew who followed and ammended it, two term limit for president, e.g. We'll survive as a nation. I've no doubt.

Nor say anything, which you haven't.

LOL

This coming from the person with 99 percent of their blog entries and posts containing some sort of Clinton worship.

The republicans need to ditch the idea of being the party of morals. It will keep burning the party over and over. All it takes is one bad apple and the whole party gets thrown under the bus. The Dems don't pretend to have morals and when they fuck up nobody blinks an eye.

Hillbilly,

Near the bottom of your keyboard, on both sides, you'll see a key labelled shift. If you hold this key down while simultaneously pressing a letter key you will convert said letter from lower-case to upper-case. This is useful given that the first word in a sentence is supposed to be capitalized, as are proper nouns.

You're welcome.

#117 | Posted by JeffJ at 2008-12-01 02:01 PM |

Jeffy,

I pointed out goat's misspelling of the word "but".

you're welcome.

Jeff--do you honestly think that Pelosi and Reid are going to have an agenda that is centrist?

They will overreach--card check is the big pay back to the unions, more spending and raising taxes.

What will Obama do?

He'll sign the card check law, spend more money and raise taxes.

The Repubs screwed themselves--they forgot how to be conservative, forgot their principles. Not all of them but many of them.

They should have balanced the budget for the last 12 years. There would be costs for the war--but the budget would not be such a monster that it is now.

And they passed that Rx drug program--gigantor!

Bush was not a fiscal conservative and the Repubs went to the candy store.

"bur"?

You see, hillbilly, those of us who "ain't too smart" sometimes make typos. But those who do have a brain could have figured out the word I meant was 'but' by the context.

And you couldn't figure it out and had to ask. . .

"In '94, Republicans swept congress and not only got over-excited, but got power-hungry real quick. They were the cause of their own demise, but got a lot of short-term satisfaction out of their new-found power."

That added to the FACT that their economic philosophy was and still is basicly flawed resulted not only in their fall from power but America's fall from prosperity.

And you couldn't figure it out and had to ask. . .

#125 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-01 02:05 PM

whatever. tell us who hung the name "goatman" on you.

....and by the way, tell us why your "girlfriend" named mr right and me left but not the thing that counts.

ya can't name what ya can't see?

Murph,

I fully believe that the Democrats will push their agenda.

However, they will do so quietly and since much of the media is biased left and agrees with much of the Democratic party's postions, the reporting will be low-key.

I also believe they will push their agenda incrementally. It's amazing (and sad) what the average citizen is willing to surrender to the state if it is done so at a slow, but determined pace.

I pointed out goat's misspelling of the word "but".

Right. I'm so stupid I can't spell 'but'. Anyone with a brain knows a typo when they see it. Those who don't see misspellings.

Your phone is ringing. I think it's zat. Both of y'all need to get a life. There's more fun to be had in this world than pointing out typos in a blog.

America's fall from prosperity.

#126 | Posted by danni a

wth?

We have 3% of the mortgages in default, 6% unemployment, the DOW is down 12% for the year and this country is no longer prosperous?

Danni--you exaggerate.

tell us who hung the name "goatman" on you

WA division USS Harold E Holt ca 1975.

Why do you ask?

so, how'd ya get stuck with name "goatman"?

drunken jr college days?

you took the bet?

the girlfriend has no name for what counts?

....and by the way, tell us why your "girlfriend" named mr right and me left but not the thing that counts.

Because it speaks loudly and clearly without being named.

Again, why do you ask?

damn son.

I knew a guy in college who had the nick "the goat" he had a bad habit of ramming guys with his helmet when he tackled.

Because it speaks loudly and clearly without being named

#136 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-01 02:12 PM

listen closer, "goatman" and you'll hear it sputtering the name "pud".

ya can't name what ya can't see?

That's why our vocabulary is full of words like atom, molecule, a host of intangibles, etc.

For someone who has the chutzpah to tell me I ain't too smart, your posts don't convey much to compensate for them, I have to admit.

I knew a guy in college who had the nick "the goat" he had a bad habit of ramming guys with his helmet when he tackled.

#138 | Posted by rastaninja at 2008-12-01 02:13 PM |

i think our goatman has it for reasons other than ramming guys.

For someone who has the chutzpah to tell me I ain't too smart, your posts don't convey much to compensate for them, I have to admit.

#140 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-01 02:14 PM

i never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the shed, goaty.

so, how'd ya get stuck with name "goatman"?

I smell another betelg/cooper/boyd/badweek. His inane questions are running on just like betelg/cooper/boyd/badweek's do.

You need a new schtick if you don't want to keep getting outted, boyd.

try again goatboy.

and do try to get a life. son.

I smell another betelg/cooper/boyd/badweek. His inane questions are running on just like betelg/cooper/boyd/badweek's do.
Posted by goatman

He's an inbred, half-wit. It's as simple as that.

He's an inbred, half-wit. It's as simple as that.

#145 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-01 02:20 PM

this posted by someone who calls himself "wisgod".

this posted by someone who calls himself "wisgod".

#146 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe

Well, I guess bandjo-boy can read.

He's an inbred, half-wit. It's as simple as that.

And troll extraordinaire. I can't figure out why he don't change his schtick when he changes his handle.

Well, I guess bandjo-boy can read.

#147 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-01 02:22 PM

i also don't know how to play the "bandjo", boy.

i also don't know how to play the "bandjo", boy.

#149 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe

You looked convincing in Deliverance.

And troll extraordinaire. I can't figure out why he don't change his schtick when he changes his handle.

#148 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-01 02:23 PM

i can't figure out why your "girlfriend" can name your left and right nut but not the part that counts.

i'll help. she can call it "that's it?"

You're welcome.

Well, I guess bandjo-boy can read.

#147 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-01 02:22 PM

try again.

I wonder if rcade knows his headliner has been hijacked by a troll?

don't be so hard on yourself "goat"man.

It's better than being named Ted. Or should we call you Theadore?

I wonder if rcade knows his headliner has been hijacked by a troll?

#153 | Posted by goatman

how much a post does he get?

It's better than being named Ted. Or should we call you Theadore?

#155 | Posted by wisgod at 2008-12-01 02:30 PM

oh. ouch.

a slap from my stalker.

"the DOW is down 12% for the year..." Danni--you exaggerate.
Posted by Murphy

Murphy must be using Vernon's calculator.

At midnight, Dec 31, 2007, the Dow was at 13,264. At yesterday's closing, it was 8829.

That's a decline of over a third, so Murphy is only off by about 175%.

Now...who's exaggerating?

Goat-
Ain't me, but I do appreciate your obsession.

it took you a whole 6 minutes to come up with that wussy is god?

Murphy must be using Vernon's calculator

yeah. digits 1 thru 10.

Ain't me, but I do appreciate your obsession.

#159 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-12-01 02:34 PM |

Just a coincidence you popped up here for your first post of the day, right? LOL

What's this about an obsession? Does outting someone constitute an obsession now? What strange dialect of English do you speak?

LOL.

"Danni--you exaggerate."

Nothing could make me happier.

Goatman-
Your obsession is illustrated by your persistence. Please continue.

the DOW is down. . .

What difference does it make that the DOW is down? I remember last year citing the record high DOW as evidence that the economy was good. Several left wingers on this very site told me that the DOW was irrelevant -- it only affected the rich. The middle and lower classes were not affected by it I was vociferously told.

Now it matters? WTF? Partisian double standards at play again?

You partisian pukes are hilarious. You wonder why no one except those within your echo chamber takes you seriously.

Your obsession is illustrated by your persistence

I'm sorry. I misunderstood the intent of your post. You are right. My persistent pursuit of the truth could indeed be considered an obsession.

My persistent pursuit of the truth could indeed be considered an obsession.

#167 | Posted by goatman at 2008-12-01 02:50 PM |

so in keeping with the spirit of that statement, why the name "goatman", goatman?

Goatman-
The "truth" is that I am not "Hillbilly...", but carry on; it's amusing.

...however...i might be betleg.

damn confusing, isn't it goaty?

...however...i might be betleg.

#170 | Posted by hillbillydeluxe

hicup and fuckup.

oh look! it's my stalker!!!

how sweet!

yawn, boy.

Danforth,

Biden & Clinton were instrumental in providing preemptive war funding.

Biden must have been as aware as Bush that intelligence was being fit around a policy predetermined by Cheny and the PNAC. The "bad intelligence" excuse is a total crock of shit.

Anyway the important point is we have been provided "personality choices" under the pretext of a functioning Democracy, the purpose of which is to maintain "necessary" illusions.

"Biden & Clinton were instrumental in providing preemptive war funding."

Which didn't answer my question:

Which of the three made the actual decision to invade and occupy?

-some sort of Clinton worship.

Well, we could worship you, but you seem to have that concession all sewn up yourself.

Well, we could worship you, but you seem to have that concession all sewn up yourself.

I am a Rhodes scholar and I've solicited every female employee within a hundred yards for sex in the last half hour, so I do meet your criteria...worship away!

What's that on your face?

Both Obama and Hillary handled themselves very well today in the press conference anouncement.

They both displayed the intelligence and good senses of humor that Spud has come to expect from the pair and a certain toughness that was most apropos fer the event.

Certain journos tried to make some hay outta foreign policy disputes and statements made during the heat of the campaign but Obama was having none of it.

End of the day it was like night and day when comparing the crisp, thoughtful and decisive tone of the Obama led press conference to the rambling smirkfests that were Dumbya's.

Fer example the word "aplomb" kept making it's presence known in Spud's mind whilst observing sed conference and it never did during any of Dumbyas.

You partisian pukes are hilarious

~Das Goat.

Seeing double and talking to the mirror again?

Spud could take yer obsessive left bashing postage a lot better if you didn't immediately claim to be non-partisan in the same breath, most days.

Partisanship is one thing but hypocrisy is quite another.

Be Well.

Rice says she won't give Clinton too much advice
news.yahoo.com

Jeezus, what on earth could Condoleezza Rice have to say that anyone needs to pay attention to?

Spud could take yer obsessive left bashing postage a lot better if you didn't immediately claim to be non-partisan in the same breath, most days.

*yawn*

Or deth could read all my posts instead of only those that fit into his preconcieved mold of me.

BTW, I've never claimed to be non-partisian. (yet something else you invented) I have, OTOH claimed many times that I do not engage in blind partisianship. THere is a HUGE difference. There are many people on this blog who are very partisian, but will admit when their party screws up. Then there are others who think their side (left or right) never ever does wrong and think that the other side never does anything right. You are unquestioningly one of those.

Partisanship is one thing but hypocrisy is quite another

Yes, hypocrisy falls into the same evil category of disingenuity -- something you are painfully guilty of. I dissassociate myself from both.

Then there are others who think their side (left or right) never ever does wrong and think that the other side never does anything right. You are unquestioningly one of those.

Do you ever read ANY of Spud's posts or were you born with that preconcieved mold in mind?

BTW, I've never claimed to be non-partisian

Bwa hahahahahahahahah!

No, you just bash the left endelessly then when called on it cite all yer "lefty" positions and then go back to wot you luff to do most which is bash the left as being "disingenuous hypocrites"

Now go on with yer bad self, you "truth seeker" you.

Is fun fer Spud to observe.

Be Well.

"No, you just bash the left endelessly then when called on it cite all yer "lefty" positions and then go back to wot you luff to do most which is bash the left as being "disingenuous hypocrites""

And then mention the one coworker who calls Goatman a "bleeding heart liberal." lol

I have said this before and will say it again, I think Hillary as SOS is an inspired pick, she traveled to 82 countries as First Lady, she had name recognition, she is known to be tough, and she has the 600lb gorilla on a leash behind her (Bill). There isn't a world leader out there that is going to want to mess with her. It will be her (Obama's) way or the highway. I can actually imagine her grabbing some rogue leader by the balls and saying "you want to fuck with me bitch?" She is the bad cop to Obama's good cop, it couldn't be better.

Now go on with yer bad self, you "truth seeker" you.

Why thank you, deth for giving me permission to continue my life. You are so kind. Hopefully I've opened your squinty little eyes a little bit.

Now I'll give you permission to continue what you do best: high fiving yourself or self admittedly placing yourself center stage. Of course there's everyone's favorite: telling everyone you're gone stage left until you see all the Bics lit so you can do a couple of encores for your adoring fans and finally ending with something really cute like /Okay, REALLY gone now.

You may continue. Or, in the hidden persona of dethtalk:

Is fun fer goatman to observe LOL

And then mention the one coworker who calls Goatman a "bleeding heart liberal." lol

~Nulli.

Ha! Fergot about that guy. LOL indeed.

Luffed it the other when Spud called him a shill cos his anti MMGW/CC views corresponded with his BigOil pay packet and he took offense and responded by calling Spud "the biggest shill EVAR" or somesuch.

Hmmm, Spud is anti the GW/CC denial crowd, anti corporate polluter, and Pro sustainability.

Yes, the evidence is all too clear.

Spud is obviously a shill fer BigEarth!

Gotta admit that's pretty big!

^_^

Be Well.

And then mention the one coworker who calls Goatman a "bleeding heart liberal."

Actually it's most of them. But thank you for proving that you too, are a selective reader of my posts, or at least selectively comprehend them. You usually aren't this honest, null.

"Do you ever read ANY of Spud's posts or were you born with that preconcieved mold in mind?"

What? WTF are you talking about? Preconceived? Dude, you have a track record of posts over several years. It is on that basis that most Drudgies consider you to be on the right.

You don't want to be considered a rightwinger? Then stop posting like one.

You may continue.

Yer too kind.

No, yer three of a kind.

No, yer an inside straight.

No, yer really a Royal Flush.

/Some kind of a "flush" certainly!

^_^

Be Well.

"Actually it's most of them."

Actually none of them are relevant. They don't post here. The content of your posts is the only thing that is relevant, not what some supposed people allegedly say about you.

views corresponded with his BigOil pay packet...

Again, thanks for proving your selective reading, deth. I don't work for a big oil company anymore than the company that they get to fly their helicopters or cook the food on the rig. I am an ET and have plied my trade in the telecom and medical industies as well. I could do them anywhere. But in your wee little mind that would make me shill for the medical or telecom industry.

But though I've explained this several times, you still label me as big oil. Is it as bad being that dense as it appears others? It seems you lie with your half truths effortlessly.

Ahh -- anymore proof of your selective reading you want to give us?

They don't post here.

LOL

That's what you think. I know of two that do. And if you had half a brain you could easily figure out who they are. You could not be more wrong. But then again, you have proven yourself a liar on more than one occasion, haven't you, nulliar?

BTW, they both are your biggest fans. Your idiocies bring more levity than you could ever know.

Dude, you have a track record of posts over several years.

goatman

Joined 2007/07/12

Honestly, null. Try the truth sometime. You've find it refreshing.

Come to think of it, I've spent more time with a liar than I usually do. Consider yourself lucky.

Later, liar.

Jeezus, what on earth could Condoleezza Rice have to say that anyone needs to pay attention to?

~Doc Sarvis.

"Don't forget to floss"?

^_^

Be Well.

I don't work for a big oil company anymore than the company that they get to fly their helicopters or cook the food on the rig. I am an ET and have plied my trade in the telecom and medical industies as well. I could do them anywhere.

Because yer cheque doesn't say Exxon on it yer not in the employ of BigOil?

Bwa hahahahahahahaha!

You complain about "selective reading" but you chose to selectively interpret everything in a way that is patently ridiculous to everyone except yerself.

While Spud agrees mostly with yer taste in Science Fiction, yer views on Athiesm, and War etc Spud simply cannot stand yer self aggrandising, yer passive aggresiveness, yer bald faced hypocrisy and yer out of control egotism.

Still, yer a giggle and a half most days.

As you were, soldier.

Be Well.

While Spud agrees mostly with yer taste in Science Fiction, yer views on Athiesm, and War etc Spud simply cannot stand yer self aggrandising, yer passive aggresiveness, yer bald faced hypocrisy and yer out of control egotism.

Still, yer a giggle and a half most days.

I got a kick out of that, especially you telling they have an out of control ego. I would think that even your most ardent fans will secretly admit that yours is the largest ego on this blog.

Who else aggrandizes by announcing their arrival and departure everyday? Who else slaps themselves on the back and congratulates themselves with their own jokes? Who else has ever admitted that they were center stage on this blog?

I speak openly and treat this blog as an extension of my living room. I do not hide behind a funny spelled word, third person anima. I do not glean cutesies from other blogs and use them

I am me. You are . . . well, who the fuck knows what you are except a phony egotistical leaping gnome Canuck who builds a phony person to present to the world.

Don't tell me about egos or agrandising, deth. You are the master.

Hillary as Secretary of State? This woman makes decisions purely on public opinion. She is no diplomat. Now she has to deal with the Middle East, a nuclear Iran, a rising Russia and the growing military connection between Venezuela and Russian not mention all the turmoil in Africa and other areas of the Middle East. Hillary is a very bad choice. If she can't reach across the isle in the Senate, how on Earth will she be able to deal with Iran or the Russians?

Dan--Sorry about that--

Should be 22% from the time of the crisis--which would be about Sept/Oct to now.

Then with the huge drop today--back over 25%--at the least.

#197 | Posted by goatman

Geez G-man--how do you really feel?

Now stupid-ass Obama will catch the Arkansas Flu, bye,bye naive Obama!!!

Roll over and show them her ass & sell us all down the river if it suits her politically to do so. Why do you think the world wanted a Dem victory? To regain our stature in the world because they want to love us, really love us and respect us again? NO! Because they know the Dems lack the political will to kick their ass should they get out of line! I look for a diplomatic "failure" to give OB the chance to fire her. I'm sure he'll get a chance sooner rather than later.

I think Hillary Clinton is so hot!!!! I am a big fan

Somehow I find it hard to believe a RHODES SCHOLAR will be distracted by wedge issues like abortion and gay marriage.

What will the evanjihadists do about that?

then I have a surprise for you. he view is that abortion is not right UNDER ANY circumstances and that marriage is between a man and a women like it has been for 5 thousand years or so

And let's not forget that the primary reason Gates was chosen in the first place was to help Bush find a way out of Iraq.

#72 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue

uh..........THATS RIGHT but you have to add the following to what you said

find a way out of iraq WITH SUCCESS AND HONOR

two things that get more done every week

uh..........THATS RIGHT but you have to add the following to what you said

find a way out of iraq WITH SUCCESS AND HONOR

two things that get more done every week

#205 | Posted by bushlovertwo

No - it was to find a way out... period. If "success and honor" came along then BONUS.

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