May they all rest in peace.

Now about that 60 HOURS of Chaos

Charging into a hotel and kidnapping, terrorizing and murdering innocent people is EVIL.

Having said that, it is disturbing (LOL) to view D.R.'s salad TOSSER'S cheerful posts (LOL).

Wot a fuckshow that was.

Wot, in the end, does it gain the terrorist types who did this mad thing?

Where is their advantage in all this carnage?

Wot does this senseless waste of life buy them?

Doesn't terrorism just further entrench the forces opposed to them and reconfirm their resolve to seek them out and snuff them out?

/Possible exception being George W Bush, of course.

RIP to all the dead here too numerous to name all at once.

Condolances to the surviving family members and wounded.

And a great big spuddish FUCK YOU to the scum who did this.

"Lunatic Fringe
We all know you're out there.
You're in hiding
But this is Open Season"

Believe that fer true.

Be Well.

Wot, in the end, does it gain the terrorist types who did this mad thing?
Where is their advantage in all this carnage?

Well Spud, I have a few arabs and non-arabs coming over next week to slaughter lambs and goats for their I-EED celebration so in between pulling out guts and pulling off skins and preparing meat, I get a pretty good chance to ask them tough questions.

I took a couple of them with me to the auction the other day to buy some sheep-- I don't have many of my own this year and this is a VERY lucrative time of year for me, where I can make more than $2,000 in one week.

Anyway, the one Arab dude I was talking to is about my age (~45 years old) with a beard and is fairly learned and fundamentalist, he explained that all this stuff in Mumbai is crap (he never did say however that it wasn't Muslims to blame so he wasn't an apologist) and he blames it on some sort of new idealogy of Islam that gets its source from radical politics of last century, 'specially COMMUNISM. So then I asked him, "what about 9-11?". He called those guys "Kharijites" (I looked this term up later). He said, "I do not deny that they are men who one time or another considered themselves believers, but all one has to do is read the early scholars to know that they are on a deviant path away from the true SCIENCE of Islam" (I thought that was an interesting word he chose).

Then he said some rather striking stuff. He said that modern pressure on the Muslims and dischord in the Muslim world has only one to blame-- MUSLIMS. I said, "What about us Americans? Aren;t we Satan?" And he said, "Ah-key (he calls me this when explaining something), Muslims would have no problem with the Americans, but many Muslims are deviating from the true path, and that what causes the friction, and that is where Satan truly works the worst evils." so I said, "You blame the Muslims for all this?" He said, "One must be careful to say as a Muslim that you blame your brothers, so I would rather say, "I blame those who at one time or another considered themselves Muslims, who went around spreading dischord in the name of Allah. This dischord is strictly forbidden and there is a SCIENCE that shows that scholars forbade it."

So, my final question was, "Why all this? if Islam is the true way then why all this? How could Islam possibly be the winner?" And he said, "This is the necessary force that needs to be applied for Islam to again flourish and for Muslims to again see clearly the correct path. It is harsh, but that is life."

Anyway, he also asked me to stop drinking (he knows I drink alot), saying that it was because I was lonely and depressed and if I stopped drinking he would help me to find a "good woman". LOL! I'm guessing he thinks he has a shot at converting me or something. I like pork and beer and gambling too much, LOL!

And yet, Tosser still sucks air. Life is so unfair.

Well Spud, I have a few arabs and non-arabs coming over next week to slaughter lambs and goats for their I-EED celebration so in between pulling out guts and pulling off skins and preparing meat, I get a pretty good chance to ask them tough questions

~KGB

I-EED?

Think it's actually called "Eid al-Adha" or "Festival of Sacrifice" in which the "People of the Book" (OT) of which Muslims number themselves among, sacrifice a goat to honor the story of Abraham sacrificing the ram provided by Yaweh after God told Abraham that he was just kidding about the whole "sacrifice yer kid to me" thingy.

/The fact that we still call a young goat and a young child a "kid" to this day is perhaps a coincidence and perhaps not.

There's another Eid called Eid Al Fitr which marks the end of Ramadan but the one to which you refer is called the "Big Eid" in many parts of the world and, as you suggest, has a component of a goat or lamb being sacrificed according to Halal traditions.

Sorry, Spud is digress, go on.

Anyway, the one Arab dude I was talking to is about my age (~45 years old) with a beard and is fairly learned and fundamentalist, he explained that all this stuff in Mumbai is crap (he never did say however that it wasn't Muslims to blame so he wasn't an apologist) and he blames it on some sort of new idealogy of Islam that gets its source from radical politics of last century, 'specially COMMUNISM

Is true that many Muslim peoples of the ME backed the wrong horse by picking the losing side in the Cold War, a fact which contributes to their failure to make political headway even to this day.

TBC.

Be Well.

So then I asked him, "what about 9-11?". He called those guys "Kharijites" (I looked this term up later). He said, "I do not deny that they are men who one time or another considered themselves believers, but all one has to do is read the early scholars to know that they are on a deviant path away from the true SCIENCE of Islam" (I thought that was an interesting word he chose).

"Kharijites"? Hmm Spud'll look that one up later. The "Science of Islam" thing is not an unknown term to Spud although yeah it does seem just a wee mite counter-intuitive. "Deviant"? No shite! Most of the moderate Muslims Spud is speak to say that it mostly boils down to the question "Does the Koran allow Muslim to kill innocents and how do we define "innocents"?

Bin Laden has made the case that any and all people who aint with them are against them and thus not "innocents" and thus "fair game" including all them people who worked in the WTCs and their many other victims of their terrorist bombings around the world. All of the moderate Muslims Spud is speak with say that this "fair game" stuff is patent nonsense and highly immoral.

Then he said some rather striking stuff. He said that modern pressure on the Muslims and dischord in the Muslim world has only one to blame-- MUSLIMS. I said, "What about us Americans? Aren't we Satan?" And he said, "Ah-key (he calls me this when explaining something), Muslims would have no problem with the Americans, but many Muslims are deviating from the true path, and that what causes the friction, and that is where Satan truly works the worst evils." so I said, "You blame the Muslims for all this?" He said, "One must be careful to say as a Muslim that you blame your brothers, so I would rather say, "I blame those who at one time or another considered themselves Muslims, who went around spreading dischord in the name of Allah. This dischord is strictly forbidden and there is a SCIENCE that shows that scholars forbade it."

Strewth. Many Muslims wot Spud is speak to is very proud of the original contributions the Islamic world made to the fields of science and math and astronomy and they take the whole "Reliigon of Peace" thing very seriously indeed.

There are Muslim who speak out against the "deviants" among them albeit, as yer friend sez, "Very carefully". One of the ones that Spud admires most is a Canadian journalist named Irshad Manji who wrote an excellent book on the subject entitled "The Trouble with Islam" that is well worth the read.

So, my final question was, "Why all this? if Islam is the true way then why all this? How could Islam possibly be the winner?" And he said, "This is the necessary force that needs to be applied for Islam to again flourish and for Muslims to again see clearly the correct path. It is harsh, but that is life."

Life is hard. THe real war is not so much the war between the West and th eextremist Muslims who are attempting to hijack an entire religion but within Islam itself between the moderates and the whackjobs. THat fight is one that will determine the ultimate destiny of this most populous of religions in the long run.

Anyway, he also asked me to stop drinking (he knows I drink alot), saying that it was because I was lonely and depressed and if I stopped drinking he would help me to find a "good woman". LOL! I'm guessing he thinks he has a shot at converting me or something. I like pork and beer and gambling too much, LOL!

Ha! Spud has a Muslim neighbour who has invited Spud over to enjoy a quiet cuppa Kava with his friends and family on occasions such as Eid and similar sentiments have been expressed. Spud could give up the Poker games and such but the idea of never having another pint of Liquid Gold or enjoying some BBQ Pork fried rice is just too much to bear.

Ta fer the chat.

Be Well.

never having another pint of Liquid Gold or enjoying some BBQ Pork fried rice is just too much to bear.

Actually, if you want to be technically correct, Muslims can drink all they want as long as they don't get drunk.

One of the most famous scholars of modern Islam... Mohamed Asad (who was once Jewish, Leopold Weiss)... always had a drink in his hand.

When asked, 'isn't this prohibited', he said, no, it isn't, as long you behave civilized.

it is disturbing (LOL) to view D.R.'s salad TOSSER'S cheerful posts (LOL).

I think it is the canned laugh track (LOL) you find most disturbing.

And yet, Tosser still sucks air. Life is so unfair.

Hey, I didn't attack your shitty India. Why curse me?

As for India...

I am very very happy to see that Indian troops couldn't do shit to 30 men until those 30 men either ran out of grenades or they got tired and had to go to sleep.

This was fought on the terrier's terms, not on the Indian army's terms.

Fuck India.

Btw, the number... 195 dead is very understated. Many more died. Most were killed when the Indian army went "rescuing" hostages and shot them instead.

They had a policy to shoot first, ID later.

That is how that Juden Rabbi died.

Interesting, through all the articles I have read so far not one of them actually gives a reason this attack took place.

It does appear that in the end the attack will get pinned on al-queda.

I don't agree with the attack but one would think that in order to prevent such attacks one would try to figure out what the actual issues are that created such an event.

one would try to figure out what the actual issues are that created such an event.

Here we go. The most likely issue. It just happened a month ago. Common sense tells me it is all connected.

India's Muslims have grown resentful at being blamed by the authorities for many of the attacks. Last Friday, though, the police said they had arrested three people suspected of involvement in bombings last month in Malegaon, a small city in western Maharashtra State that has long simmered with religious tension.

At least one of the suspects belonged to the youth wing of a Hindu nationalist political party, police officials said, and several Indian news organizations have described the case as the first glimpse into radical Hindu groups that plot terrorist attacks. The bomb in Malegaon exploded in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood, killing four people.

In other violence, clashes between Hindus and Christians have swept through eastern Orissa State. Other flash points include insurgents in Kashmir and Maoist guerrillas across central India.

India has at least 16 trouble spots that have led to cases of terrierism.

This is what happens when you breed like rats in a country that can't grow the food or doesn't have the water resources to support everyone.

RIP

India's Muslims have grown resentful at being blamed by the authorities for many of the attacks.

Imagine that, it not only comes from the india government but from the world.

One should take this into some thought, maybe call this a terrorist act and not try to link it to a religious affiliation.

Well, you need to wonder about a belief system such as Islam that produces this type of desperado and has for centuries, bloodthirsty murderous folks, who have undertaken to impose their beliefs on everyone else, and by the sword.

One of the problems might have been that these benighted people are mired in illiteracy and ignorance, but it seems that their elites and highly educated folks share the same motivation as other religious fanatics. That's how things are in the umma.

These folks believe they are completely justified in killing men, women, and children, non-combatants and innocents, without distinction. And they show no compunctions in blowing up each other's mosques, which demonstrates the impiety of their beliefs, just a bunch of bloody butchers raised in a culture which venerates murder, ignorance, suppression of thought, and abuse, and whose "religion" and its teachings are used to justify their actions.

Oh yes, on an earlier thread, Tosser tried to implicate Hindus as the perpetrators of these barbaric acts. But this is contradicted by the focus of these people on the Jewish religious center, and the focus on selection of Americans, Britons, and Jews from among the foreigners, to murder.

Again, what is it about the Islamic culture that creates such monsters? Maybe Tosser and some other people living in the midst of the culture can enlighten us.

In a telephone interview with CBC News from outside the centre, freelance journalist Arun Asthhana said there are reports that some of the militants had stayed at a guest house there for up to 15 days before the attacks.

Soooo... They stayed and partied for 15 days in Bombay???

So much for the crap that they all suddenly came by boat. LOL

An interesting mentality. These Islamics were embarked on conquest of the West. When repulsed at the gates of Vienna, and in France, they were indignant, and when confronted by the Crusaders, who took the field to oppose their aggression, the Islamics took great umbrage that they could be opposed. Even now, they are furious at "The Crusaders," who took the field as a defensive measure.

Get off ot it.

One of the problems might have been that these benighted people are mired in illiteracy and ignorance, but it seems that their elites and highly educated folks share the same motivation as other religious fanatics. That's how things are in the umma.

Well this dumbass is speaking out his butt.

Ever been to india? I can tell by this anwer he has not. The india people are quite educated and literate, more so in many cases than here by far so why not comment on what you know instead of making shit up.

Tosser tried to implicate Hindus as the perpetrators of these barbaric acts.

No, I didn't. I said, the Govt. of India is ultimately responsible for:

1. Pissing on it's people
2. the poor anti-terroist response.

I said, the terrier could be anyone, including Hindus.

Don't try and twist my words, Fundo.

Again, what is it about the Islamic culture that creates such monsters?

What is it about Juden and American culture that makes you all so hated by everyone?

Perhaps Johnson the Fundo can enlighten us?

Even now, they are furious at "The Crusaders," who took the field as a defensive measure.

Well, the Crusaders lost the Crusades. The Muslims won.

Get off it. LOL

It is very simple. Let me explain so even a moron Fundo can understand.

Killing an American these days, would instantly make a sucky terrier into a serious terrier. It's a way to build up your rep and get more money from whomever.

Thanks to all the hoo-haa since 9-11, the terriers of the world now see the average Joe-American as a target.

They KNOW that if they kill an American... any American... their name will be shouted around the world, on CNN, FOX, etc. and they will be famous instantly.

Instant rep.

This is the gift your Dumbaya gave you. He made an average guy a target.

How many enemies does Pakistan have?

None. No serious enemies... except India.

How many enemies does India have?

A hell of a lot.

They have a border dispute or trade dispute with everyone in the region.

Nobody is really sympathetic about what happened in Bombay. Nobody in China. Nobody in Pakistan. Nobody in Sri Lanka. Nobody in Nepal. Nobody in Bhutan. Nobody in Bangladesh (who they are also blaming btw). etc etc.

We all knew, the way India was carrying on, this sort of thing was gonna happen one day.

"Again, what is it about the Islamic culture that creates such monsters?"

What is it about Juden and American culture that makes you all so hated by everyone?

Perhaps Johnson the Fundo can enlighten us?

#22 | Posted by Tosser

FF

Mr D'Souza had already seen two gunmen calmly stroll across the station concourse shooting both civilians and policemen, many of whom, he said, were armed but did not fire back.

But what angered Mr D'Souza almost as much were the masses of armed police hiding in the area who simply refused to shoot back. "There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything," he said. "At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, 'Shoot them, they're sitting ducks!' but they just didn't shoot back."

Mr D'Souza added: "I told some policemen the gunmen had moved towards the rear of the station but they refused to follow them. What is the point if having policemen with guns if they refuse to use them? I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera."

Why destroy Pakistan?

Ben Gurion on Pakistan, published in the Jewish Chronicle, 1967:

"The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs.

"This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan."

Mumbai attack: Was Nariman House the terror hub?

This is the gift your Dumbaya gave you. He made an average guy a target.

#25 | Posted by Tosser

Tosser, you're an idiot. Islamofascists have been targeting Americans long before Bush ever entered office. And, once again, you attempt to justify this barbaric behavior by blaming Bush or Americans in general.

As it turns out these people were mostly from Pakistan which you so vehemently tried to say wasn't the case. You continue to use this opportunity to bash India which shows that you are actually getting off in some sick way over the deaths that came at the hands of your countrymen. You are a terrorist apologist and it continues to show thru your words.

Tosser is a complete moron.

Pakistan has no enemies?
-Hated, I mean HATED by the Afghanis, except for the Taliban they helped create.
-Massive NorthWest Frontier breakaway movements
-Balochistan
-Waziristan
-The Army hates the political system; half the ISI continues funding this terrorist bullshit, while the other half tries to fight it. It's not even a real country, just a jumbled up pile of shit.
-You're right about China though, they love having their little Paki lapdog to try to contain India.

People in Sri Lanka and Nepal aren't sympathetic?
Good god, Pakistan has done one hell of a job on you guy. Even people with internet access there can't get past the insane Anti-India indoctrination bred from insecurity and hurt pride due to some pathological need to compete with India and seeing obvious failure.

#21 | Posted by moneywar at 2008-11-30 02:34 AM

One of the problems might have been that these benighted people are mired in illiteracy and ignorance, but it seems that their elites and highly educated folks share the same motivation as other religious fanatics. That's how things are in the umma.

Ever been to india? I can tell by this anwer he has not. The india people are quite educated and literate, more so in many cases than here by far so why not comment on what you know instead of making shit up.

You found a reference to "the Indian people?" Where? Even the short statement you abstracted contains the world "umma." Do you know what the word means? It might clarify the meaning of the post for you if you did although the matter was otherwise also succintly stated. But then again considering the obtuseness you display, the definition might not help you understand. I leave you to wallow in your ignorance.

You found a reference to "the Indian people?" Where?

Hey dumbass johnson,

Yes I found a reference, I lived there so I find YOUR ignorance and obtuseness quite definitive.

#26 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-11-30 02:56 AM

We all knew, the way India was carrying on, this sort of thing was gonna happen one day.

Have there been many cross-border raids by India on Pakistani population centers?

Have Hindu terrorists infiltrated Pakistan and perpetrated mass murders of Pakistanis?

It seems that mass killings are initiatives issuing from Islamics. What is the basis for the cultural mindset that generates so many people from varied Islamic cultures to engage in such activities?

#22 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-11-30 02:34 AM

Again, what is it about the Islamic culture that creates such monsters?

What is it about Juden and American culture that makes you all so hated by everyone?

Perhaps Johnson the Fundo can enlighten us?

You haven't responded. Don't you have any idea?

And the questions you posed to me, are ones that again, I ask you to answer, since the response is in your bailiwick. You ask why people such as you hate Jews and Americans? That is a question properly put to you, one that you can answer. I don't know why you would. But you may know what it is that elicits your hatred, and that of others you know who also hate Jews and Americans.

Will you deign to answer the questions? Or is it to remain a mystery, Tosser? You seem willing to volunteer your positions on many matters, why not these?

Again, Tosser, you are being non-responsive. I didn't inquire as to why people regard Islamics as they do. I can answer that. I was inquiring of someone who lives in an Islamic culture, just what is it about that culture that produces so many people who are motivated to go out and to kill others?

And just what is it about the western christian culture that doesn't seem to report those same type of motivated christian zealot to go out and kill.

Might be the perspective of media hype.

Time will tell whether the Indian government is as pussified as the Bombay police department. But if Pakistan is full of steaming POS like Tosser, few will mourn the nuclear annihilation that one day will destroy the place. If not from India, then from somewhere else that's grown weary of the "don't blame us just because they trained here and were supplied here and because rogue elements in the Paki government gave them money" BS.

Until Pakistan demonstrates they're serious about stamping out the atrocities carried out in their name, I'll assume they're not. And if millions of turds like Tosser burn too, it's hard to imagine the world won't be a better place.

It is very simple. Let me explain so even a moron Fundo can understand.

Killing an American these days, would instantly make a sucky terrier into a serious terrier. It's a way to build up your rep and get more money from whomever.

#24 | Posted by Tosser
* * * *

I suppose I'm one of those moron fundos you write about. And since we've nothing to lose, how about picking up a phone, calling in the coordinates to NORAD, and turning the whole of the miserable Middle East into a radioactive pile of debris for the next hundred thousand years? Can I get a show of hands?

I think Muslims are suicidal. They're at war, right now, with the United States, India, Israel, and Russia. Not to mention takeovers of French supertankers, bombings of Australian tourist spots in Bali. How long before one of these nuclear-laden powers just decides, hell with it, and lets a missile or two go, just to see if that helps any?

#29 | Posted by Bani at 2008-11-30 09:19 AM

Why destroy Pakistan?

Ben Gurion on Pakistan, published in the Jewish Chronicle, 1967:

"The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs.

"This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan."

Are you suggesting that the Jews were engaged in aggressive actions against the Pakistani, so that the Pakisitanis (government or individuals) were justified in making a pre-emptive strike against a Jewish religious retreat? Is this based on the 1967 statement of the long ago deceased Ben Gurion as his world view? What specifically have the Israelis or Jews done to attack Pakistan? How have they threatened Pakistan?

It is difficult to believe that your world view induces you to believe that the Islamic attack on Indian territory selecting Indians as the most numerous victims, and of foreigners targeting Americans, English, and Israelis, as somehow related to Ben Gurion's 1967 statement that you dredged up from somewhere as being in anyway relevant.

Again, the irrationality combined with the ambiguity of your position, makes it difficult to determine your point. Are you trying to find some remote justification for the nature of Islamic culture, which produces such creatures, whose comportment is not consistent with the conduct of civilized peoples.

So, what's your point, Bani? And what information do you have regarding actions that the Americans, British, or Israelis, or Jews have taken against Pakistani interests, and when these occurred that justify this pre-emptive or retaliatory stike. Remember, Tosser the Pakistani on the ground, advises us that the Pakistani government is complicit with the U.S. drone attacks in the tribal areas.

#37 | Posted by moneywar at 2008-11-30 06:49 PM

And just what is it about the western christian culture that doesn't seem to report those same type of motivated christian zealot to go out and kill.

Might be the perspective of media hype.

You do recall that Islam began as an aggressive expansive movement originating on the Arabian Peninsula and continued as a jihad conquering many territories, and threatening to overrun Europe. It was largely successful. many primitive, illiterate, and ignorant peoples now reside under the Islamic banner with the root of all worthwhile knowledge being their religious texts.

The Christian Crusades and other actions were largely undertaken to repel the aggressive Islamics, who seem to believe it is their mission to subdue all peoples and cause them to live under the benighted Islamic religious belief system. It seems that the earlier mission has not been abandoned, and that even now there is a demographic invasion of Europe that the Europeans have not yet recognized as such, and to which an emasculated Europe may succumb.

It is the Islamics who are detonating bombs in Spaind and England, blowing up airliners, engaging in indiscriminate murders in the name of their religion, suppressing thought and criticism such as the Danish cartoons, issuing fatwahs making it a benefice to kill people in the name of Islam, repressing women ... the list goes on and on.

So moneywar, just what gratuitous raids have non-Islamics recently made on Islamic lands and peoples so as to without provocation, kill innocent Islamics?

By the way, Tosser, how many times have these Indians, whom you try to portray as cowardly and inept, whipped the Pakistani's ass?

Just where have "Christian zealots" from civilized Western countries recently gone out to gratuitously kill people, moneywar? Or is this a figment of your imagination, something that "could have" happened, even though it didn't, but you nevertheless pretend that it is a reality.

I afraid my post went over your head and what you see as the media.

A court in La Plata, southeast of Buenos Aires, found Catholic priest Christian Von Wernich guilty on seven counts of homicide, 31 counts of torture and 42 of false imprisonment, the Spanish news agency EFE reported Wednesday.

The first clergyman to be tried for 'dirty war' offences, Von Wernich was the chaplain of the Buenos Aires provincial police when the force was under the command of the late Gen. Ramon Camps, convicted in 1986 for crimes against humanity.

Several survivors of the repression testified that the priest, in addition to being present when detainees were interrogated under torture in secret prisons, accompanied paramilitary units on kidnapping missions and witnessed executions by firing squad.

Wow, didn't take long to find this, and there are thousands more and all it takes is a little research. Hmmmm!

Spreading around the UCI Muslim Student Organization Ben - Gurion fabricated quotes now Leland (Bani)?

Don't you have anything better to do then act on your self loathing ?

Disgusting miscreant you are ...

The Christian Crusades and other actions were largely undertaken to repel the aggressive Islamics, who seem to believe it is their mission to subdue all peoples and cause them to live under the benighted Islamic religious belief system. It seems that the earlier mission has not been abandoned, and that even now there is a demographic invasion of Europe that the Europeans have not yet recognized as such, and to which an emasculated Europe may succumb.

That is one of the best posts on this blog in a while.....

#43 | Posted by moneywar at 2008-11-30 07:34 PM

Couldn't find anything, eh moneywar? So you attempted to concoct an analogy between Islamic predators attacking people of other faiths, and in other lands, and compare it to an internal political struggle in Argentina.

Surely even you recognize the failure of your attempt to find such base actions by Christians against non-Chrisitians because of their religious beliefs.

Are you another benighted follower of Islam, moneywar, trying to act as an apologist for their barbarous primitive ways that are not compatible with the advances inherent in modern Western civilization. You know - human rights and all that as contrasted to suppression of thought, fatwahs, abuse of women, repression of ... Come on, moneywar. Find an example and provide it for us of anything in Christianity that is similar to the ignoble practices of Islam.

I come back and I find Evershort and Johnson with a hard on!!!

Too funny.

And RightisRight thinks he is a "Fundo"?

I swear, I didn't know. I was talking to Johnson.

First, India said, they had found two British-Pakistani.

Now that turned out to be a lie.

Then they said, they found one terrier who is from Pakistan.

Funny how nobody else is left alive to corroborate his story. And funny how this terrier is the only one whose pics are on the internet.

Pakistan has one of the largest databases on the planet... NADRA. We have since many years now given Americans have access to it, I believe.

It is easy enough for the Indians to give us the man's fingerprints so we can run them to see if he is a Pak citizen or not.

But no, they are not giving us his fingerprints. LOL

I don't know what the Fundo types here imagine?

That this is some kind of a war between Islam and Hindooism?

I wish! But, alas, that is not the case.

Another silly Amreekan fantasy is "we will nuke you!".

Well... sorry to break it to you, but if you could've nukes Pakistan or anyone else, you already would have.

You people should understand, that even if Pakistan is behind this attack (unlikely.. but if), it serves the US interest for this to happen.

It gives them an opportunity to dry their tears but also gives India a message that their only hope is to stick close to the US.

Pakistan has no enemies?
-Hated, I mean HATED by the Afghanis, except for the Taliban they helped create.
-Massive NorthWest Frontier breakaway movements
-Balochistan
-Waziristan

I said serious enemy. Afghanistan is not a serious enemy. They are welcome to hate Pakistan all they like.

And there is no breakaway movement anywhere. The only one there was, was in Balochistan and that is alive only on paper. Finito. Americans killed the breakaway leaders where they were hiding in Afghanistan.

Pakistan really has no serious enemies beside India.

Will you deign to answer the questions?

Johnson the Fundo... I answered your question with a question.

That showed the ridiculousness of your own question and was therefore quite an appropriate answer.

I know Fundos lack reading and comprehension skills (taking the Bible literally for example) but you are really pushing it. LOL

Anyway, this is more than a coincidence.

Let me repost the link:

And let me also make another prediction.

Obama will continue to give Pakistan the $15 Billion he promised even if Pakistan is guilty of this beautiful attack on Bombay.

LOL

Just a few men did whatever they wanted to and nobody could stop them until they ran out of grenades. I am amazed at the incompetence of the Indian security.

How is India going to fight against Pakistan? They are pathetic. They couldn't control ten people?

Just ten people???

In case of a war, Pakistan would tear India a new asshole from behind the lines.

I think it is time Pakistan and this fucking-India had a good fight.

Have Hindu terrorists infiltrated Pakistan and perpetrated mass murders of Pakistanis?

Yes, Fundo. We caught them in a place called Swat.

But the Bombay attacks? These are just Indians killing other Indians.

Good riddance.

Obama will continue to give Pakistan the $15 Billion he promised even if Pakistan is guilty of this beautiful attack on Bombay.

~Tosser

"Beautiful", Tosser?

Look, Spud knows that India and Pakistan have been at odds about Kashmir since 47 and so on and so forth but revelling in a tragedy like the one that just occured is a bit much even fer you.

That sed, yer prolly right about the money.

Spud was watching a chappie called Eric Margolis on the CBC earlier on today and he esplained that when the US invaded Afghanistan the largest Terrier training camps they found there were set up by the ISI in order to train Pakistani based terriers for the Kashmir. Went on to explain that the US were not only previously aware of sed camps but also tacitly approved of them as the US sees such folks as "useful" in terms of destabilizing an emergent China etc.

Spud likes it when Canadian TV goes beyond the "bounds of the expressable" allowed on US networks.

Always fun fer Spud.

That sed, rethink that "beautiful attack" remark, man!

Not cool.

Be Well.

Ok... "beautiful" in a tactical, military sense only, something out of a boring textbook.

Reading some of the rather ugly responses above, Tosser definitely has a way of pressing the collective American zit and getting the pus to ooze out.

I'm a proud veteran Marine of twenty seven years and not once in that time have I EVER seriously said I would like my country to "nuke" anyone. WTF? Come with yer gun, son. Rifle in hand, man. You wanna kill? I'll take you to a hill where your blood will chill. Boogie Chillin'-- It shore is cold when you have a bullseye on your soul. God, I'm startin' to sound like a beat version of Cotton Hill, LOL!! You fucking TOJOS!

Anyone who goes around threatening to nuke anyone is pathetic excuse for an American-- and a complete cunt too.

Why are there so many pussies in America? what happened? How did we get all those pussies in the white house and the major think tanks? Why can't at least one of them take the Bud Dwyer way out?

Ah hell, if I was 21 again I'd probably be going aroud yellin' nuke 'em all" too. I'm just getting too old and too wise for my own good.

Tosser

I've always found you entertaining and enjoy it when you ruffle feathers.

Just want to point out to you that for many of us, Pakistani or Indian would be a distinction without much of a difference.

Kinda like Sunni and Shia.

Just want to point out to you that for many of us, Pakistani or Indian would be a distinction without much of a difference.

Oh I know that.

Tosser definitely has a way of pressing the collective American zit and getting the pus to ooze out.

Aptly put.

Potato (and other folk, if you are still interested in this topic).... The Indians have always said something which I find interesting.

They say, the British created Pakistan to keep India in line.

They say that if India and Pakistan had been one country, that country would be ordering the US about (probably true) instead of wasting their resources against each other.

So they created Pakistan to keep India smallish and not in a position to mess with US/British interests worldwide.

They say, that Jinnah (the creator of Pakistan) was the only one who NEVER went to jail. Not even for a single day.

Nehru, Gandhi... they all went to jail at some point... but Jinnah? Never. Granted that Jinnah was a great lawyer who was more British than Indian, but still.

How the hell could that be, Indians say.

Interesting theory.

Might even be true.

We Americans have a simple way of seeing things. Hmmm, let's see: India vs. Pakistan. We see the following:

India = Ghandi, peace loving martyr dude who wore robes and walked with a cane who's only unsavory action was taking away the best actor Oscar from "Tootsie";

--or--

Ravi Shankar = Peace loving dude with Sitar who was a buddy of the Beatles.

--or--

Mahareshi Yogi = Meditation guru who was peace-loving, non threatening, and also a friend of the Beatles.

--or--

Apu, the stereotypical non-threatening squishy-serving deli owner guy with the funny accent.

Now we get to:

Pakistan (cue ominous drum roll) = Smelly Arab (yes, the majority of us think you's Ay-rabs) deli-working hordes who are responsible for 9-11 and are secretly plotting to blow up Kansas while they serve you day old coffee.

Anyway, as I have always said, if you are in the proaganda business, test your offerings in America first. If they fly you're sure to have a winner.

Spud was watching a chappie called Eric Margolis

Pakistan (cue ominous drum roll) = Smelly Arab (yes, the majority of us think you's Ay-rabs) deli-working hordes who are responsible for 9-11 and are secretly plotting to blow up Kansas while they serve you day old coffee.

Is that all???

I thought there was more....

I thought there was more....

Well, hell, Tosser, Pakistan never did anything bad to America, so you get off rather light. Pakistan is still fairly low on the jask-ass "nuke 'em" list (though rising fast).

I had to have hand surgery two years ago up in Rochester, New York and there is a fucking brilliant Pakistani there who is like the only guy in the Northeast who does it. After surgery he gave me some kick ass chai with bergamot. My wrist is fully functional thanks to that smelly Arab MOZZ-LIM terrorist, LOL!

I have no problem with your country, which was, after all, once India, right?

#49 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-11-30 10:44 PM

That showed the ridiculousness of your own question and was therefore quite an appropriate answer.

I suggest to you that your answer is non-reposnsive, and that you are evading providing an answer.

Also, I ask you to recognize that your ideas as to why you hate Jews and Americans is something that you should be able to tell us since we don't know your basis for your hatred.

So, you dissimulate and pretend that you don't know why Islamics are so imbued with hatred worldwide and against so many people and act out violently in places such as Madrid, London, and destruction of the Buddhist statues, whatever. I have a pretty good idea that it is a product of your hateful and insane religious belief system. But you did not reply to supply us with your idea of the reasons for this phenomenon.

Then instead of a response, you ask why you yourself are a hater, and do not respond to an inquiry asking your opinion of why you as an Islamic, hates. You should be the one who knows why you personally hate Jews and Americans, Tosser. Jealousy? What?

I know Fundos lack reading and comprehension skills (taking the Bible literally for example) but you are really pushing it. LOL

And Tosser, we don't act on the basis of a compulsion to harm others with different belief systems just because they refuse to validate our beliefs by accepting them. We also believe in free choice of beliefs, and scientific and philosophical inquiry, not represseion of thought by threat of or infliction of death.

I can understand that you may have sufficient insight to recognize that there is no answer that does not describe the Islamic system as primitive and unfit for governance of decent people. The Western way allow others a broad scope for living their own lives.

Some Iraqi politician recently visited Israel in the hope of developing a peaceful Middle East, and consequently was threatened and had his two sons murdered by Islamic militants. That's colloquy among Islamics, bombs and murders. That's Islamic dogma and the "dialogue" that it promotes.

Again Tosser, your diversion only demonstrates your intellectual cowardice in declining to address the questions posed. You don't even have the fortitude to present your beliefs and provide support for them, and if upon inquiry you find them wanting, reject them.

which was, after all, once India, right?

That's right... Or it is just as correct to say "Pakistan was part of the British Empire".

After all, we didn't not get our freedom from India. We got our freedom from Britain.

Exactly 24 hours before India got her independence. LOL

That's right... Pakistan is one day older than India. I don't know why, but it's kinda funny.

Inappropriate laughte is a sign of hysteria and an inability to cope, Tosser.

LOL.

Fundo.... you are a dead bore.

Are you capable of making a post that is only a couple of sentences instead of going bla-bla-bla?

"That's right... Pakistan is one day older than India. I don't know why, but it's kinda funny"

They're like conjoined twins separated at birth. When one gets itchy, the other starts to scratch.

Something in my bones tells me they'll eventually die the same day.

As you can see... Johnson the Christian Fundo.... I can cope here just fine.

LOL

I am in a league of my own, Fundo. I go places where the likes you can only imagine going. I fuck like you can never fuck. I eat what you will never eat. And I shit tons more than you can ever shit.

Something in my bones tells me they'll eventually die the same day.

Which is why it is my fantasy to move to a small island in the Indian Ocean. In case the nukes start flying one day.

#51 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-11-30 10:54 PM

Just a few men did whatever they wanted to and nobody could stop them until they ran out of grenades. I am amazed at the incompetence of the Indian security.

Anyone armed with automatic weapons can launch an unexpected attack on unarmed civilians and kill many of them. I do remind you that some Indians pelted the Islamics with stones although they were subjected to gunfire. Not particularly cowardly people there, Tosser.

How is India going to fight against Pakistan? They are pathetic. They couldn't control ten people?

Just ten people???

In case of a war, Pakistan would tear India a new asshole from behind the lines.

I think it is time Pakistan and this fucking-India had a good fight.

By the way Tosser, if there is a conflict, I'd bet the farm on the Indians. They've whipped you before in 1965 and 1971, and they'll whip you again. What makes you think that things would change?

By the way, wasn't Pakistan the aggressor?

Here's an excerpt describing a battle between armed Indians and armed Pakistanis in the 1971 war.

Pakistan attacked at several places along India's western border with Pakistan, but the Indian army successfully held their lines. The Pakistan Army suffered a defeat at Battle of Longewala, where a 2000-3000 strong assault force of the 51st Infantry Brigade of the Pakistani Army, backed by the 22nd Armoured Regiment, was repulsed by the 120-odd soldiers of Indian 'A' company, 23rd Bn, Punjab Regiment. The Indian Army quickly responded to the Pakistan Army's movements in the west and made some initial gains, including capturing around 5,500 square miles (14,000 km2) of Pakistan territory (land gained by India in Pakistani Kashmir, Pakistani Punjab and Sindh sectors was later ceded in the Simla Agreement of 1972, as a gesture of goodwill).

Ah, the mighty Pakistanis when not shooting unarmed civilians with automatic weapons did not acquit itself so well now in combat, did it Tosser? There were 2000 to 3000 Pakistanis supported by armor, who were creamed by some 120 Indians. Wow! You must be proud of Pakistani military prowess.

Fundo.... I write two sentences and you go ballistic with your Bore-bakwas? LOL.

I know you Christian types are the merchants of verbosity, but this is a blog for pity's sake. We got lads and lassies running about here.

Control yourself in front of the lassies at least.

"Any competent gunman, who did not want to avoid being killed himslef could kill more than that in a mall"

C'mon Johnson. You've been watching waay too many Hollywood films. Not everyone who gets shot DIES, y'know. Have you ever had to hit a moving target other than the beer can on a fence post when your shitfaced?

"if there is a conflict, I'd bet the farm on the Indian"

Are you referring to little Big Horn? I'd probably bet on the Pakis because India has that fifth column element going on so they would have to fight and internal and external fight at the same time.

Military stratagery is not your forte Johnson, though you're posts certainly show you are a formidable opponent when it comes to verbosity.

Anyway, getting off the ad hom and back to home base here, which in my case is the good ol' U S of A, what should America do here? Certainly it complicates things when a fart like this occurs and one's nose is stuck in the collective asses of the rest of the world.

Pakistan and India will always have problems cuz there pretty much like a bigger version of Israel and Palestine, only in this case they are a bit even military-strength wise. The less America has to do with the whole mess the better. Just leave the Taj Mahal alone for awhile guys-- I haven't been there yet.

They've whipped you before in 1965 and 1971, and they'll whip you again.

Errr... your knowledge of copy-paste history is a bit crappy.

In the 1965 war, both countries basically ran out of fuel though Pakistan did far more damage (independent sources).

In 1971, Pakistan was not defeated by India... Pakistan was defeated by it's own people in Bengal, who went on to create Bangladesh.

Nobody can fight against a terrier movement. It happened to Pakistan in 1971 and it might happen to India anytime. This was only a small example.

In case of a war, Pakistan would tear India a new asshole from behind the lines.
* * * *

Funniest thing I've read in ages. If hundreds of millions of Muslims in a dozen countries can't deal with a tiny nation of Jews, what would one Muslim very pissed-off Indians?

Suicidal. Funny, but suicidal.

Remember Bombay! And bombs away!

Even in 1971, Chuck Yeager (know him?) said, "Pakistanis whooped Indian ass in the skies".

Read Charles (Chuck) Yeager`s autobiography ? He was the first man to break the sound barrier. Later he was deputed as American Military Advisor to Pakistan during the `71 war. He gives a glowing account of `his boys` the pakistani pilots. ``They whipped their (Indian) asses in the sky``.

Go buy Yeager's book, Fundo. Learn something besides copy-pasting. LOL

#67 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-12-01 12:20 AM

I am in a league of my own, Fundo.

I go places where the likes you can only imagine going.

I'll bet that you don't put on a Pakistani Army uniform and join the 51st Infantry Brigade that the Indians whipped. They could use a man with your prowess, Tosser.

I fuck like you can never fuck.

I eat what you will never eat.

And I shit tons more than you can ever shit.

Funniest thing I've read in ages. If hundreds of millions of Muslims in a dozen countries can't deal with a tiny nation of Jews, what would one Muslim very pissed-off Indians?

Pakistan has never tried to kill off Isreal. Why should we?

You have no idea of the shit us Asians can come with when we want to do you in.

Tearing somebody a new asshole, is an understatement.

I don't follow your customs of eating by picking away at whole goat and sheeps heads displayed on the table with eyes and tongues as delicacies. It just doesn't appeal to me, Tosser.

Fundo... anybody can see me buy me nourishment.

My very own YouTube channel. LOL

Fundo... when I fuck, the lassies see stars.

You, being a solid Christian Fundo (who consider sex the source of all evil), only get to do it through a hole in the bedsheets... and only when you are trying to pup.

LOL

#71 | Posted by k_g_beekeeper at 2008-12-01 12:48 A

"Any competent gunman, who did not want to avoid being killed himslef could kill more than that in a mall"

C'mon Johnson. You've been watching waay too many Hollywood films. Not everyone who gets shot DIES, y'know. Have you ever had to hit a moving target other than the beer can on a fence post when your shitfaced?

"if there is a conflict, I'd bet the farm on the Indian"

Are you referring to little Big Horn?

I'd probably bet on the Pakis because India has that fifth column element going on so they would have to fight and internal and external fight at the same time.

Military stratagery is not your forte Johnson ...

... though you're posts certainly show you are a formidable opponent when it comes to verbosity.

Anyway, getting off the ad hom and back to home base here, which in my case is the good ol' U S of A, what should America do here? Certainly it complicates things when a fart like this occurs and one's nose is stuck in the collective asses of the rest of the world.

Pakistan and India will always have problems cuz there pretty much like a bigger version of Israel and Palestine, only in this case they are a bit even military-strength wise. The less America has to do with the whole mess the better. Just leave the Taj Mahal alone for awhile guys-- I haven't been there yet.

And what is the perspective from which you make your observation, company officer, field grade, general rank, or were you a non-com. Whatever your eye view is, I'd appreciate the basis for your observation.

Whatever his perspective, we all know YOUR perspective.

It's called "Fundo trying to appear clever by blogging from his sofa but failing miserably".

LOL

You are BORING everyone.

Verbosity is us!

The Fundo creed!

Did you see my videos, Fundo? Are you bright enough to click on the YouTube link I posted?

See them and post how you liked them.

#74 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-12-01 12:54 AM

Yeager's book, Fundo. Learn something besides copy-pasting. LOL

What about the engagement that I cited, Tosser. Cat got your tongue. Or whatever. Some 120 Indians repulsed 2000 to 3000 Pakis supported by armor.

Oh, See no evil. Hear no evil Speak no evil? What about the ass-whipping there, Tosser. King's X? Doesn't count?

And your revisionist description of the conflicts just won't wash, Tosser. Who surrendered to whom? Look it up.

Oh.. I get it... being a Fundo, you are still using dial-up internet! No YouTube for you!

hahahahahahahahaha... pathetic.

#80 | Posted by Tosser at 2008-12-01 01:17 AM

Whatever his perspective, we all know YOUR perspective.

Is that sufficiently succinct for you, Tosser.

With that I bid you an adieu for the night with my condolences to you for having been raised an Islamic, and for living in such a benighted environment.

Allah, a god to kill for.

Yeager's task was to validate our effectivenes

His task was to get his hands on as much Russian equipment (used by the Indians) and ship it to the US.

Yes, the Pakistan army/navy/airforce still uses American doctrines of fighting even though we now use different equipment.

If an American commander is put in charge of our soldiers or airmen, we won't know the difference.

Some 120 Indians repulsed 2000 to 3000 Pakis supported by armor.

This is from a movie called "Border". Woopdedoo.

My perspective is

Your perspective is you are too pathetic to get DSL and can't see my beautiful YouTube Channel.

Case closed, Fundo.

and repression of people

I see how might feel I have repressed you here.

I am sooo sorry. LOL

With that I bid you an adieu for the night

Run Forrest, RUN!!!

bid you adieu..

Who sez that crap??? Verbose idiot.

"Well, I always welcome a critique, but it helps more if you flesh it out. k_g. And what is the perspective from which you make your observation, company officer, field grade, general rank, or were you a non-com. Whatever your eye view is, I'd appreciate the basis for your observation"

NCO
"Elsie"
USMC
1981-87
34th/24th MAU/MEU
MOS 0811
RBI
ABC
BS
ETC...

Jesus guys, go to bed. I keep coming back to my computer and you guys are still wackin away at each other. now I'm warning you, if you make me drink another beer just to read your back-n-forths I'm gonna be proably a bit tipsy and i might start swearing.

Beekeeper....

Our Fundo here can't see YouTube... wow!

And what you wrote, most probably went over his head like a gentle gust of cool air.

I don't understand how when one is a total dullard (our Fundo) in military history and military tactics... where does he get the idea he can talk military stuff without sounding stupid?

But then, when you insult a Fundo, they feel it is part of God's plan for the Rapture and they mouth off even harder.

Case in point... our Fundo-the-Johnson.

Jesus guys, go to bed.

I just had breakfast. How can I go back to bed?

"34th/24th MAU/MEU"

Jesus fucking christ!!! That is not true! 32nd/22nd. i apologize for misrepresenting thT-- its heresy actually and I've done it before at a meeting and its really fucking embarrassing. I'm drunk. Semper Fi.

I just had breakfast. How can I go back to bed?

OK, yer in Pakistan. I understand. Its taking me awhile to process some stuff now. you fuckers made me stay up until 2! Actually...

Actually, its snowing here in NY and its really cold and awesome on the porch so I've been nipping a bit.

Annnd.. the Pakistani Rupee just gained in value while the Indian Rupee fell.

A full Rupee against the Dollar gain. That is a massive change for one day considering it is usually only a few paisa here and there.

Amazing.

This how the money market behaves. If they see Pakistan do anything against India (doesn't matter if we didn't actually do anything) the demand for the Rupee appreciates and the Indian Rupee depreciates.

So it is in Pakistan's interest to keep fucking India, now and then. LOL

And believe me, if it wasn't for American support for Pakistan, this would not happen.

While America sleeps I stay awake!

Say thank you!

While America sleeps I stay awake!
Say thank you!
#97 | Posted by Tosser

Thank you.
Now that we're stirring in our beds, you can go to sleep.
While Pakistan sleeps, we'll stay awake.
Say thank you!

I am good for another 8, 9, hours... haven't even had dinner yet.

But Thank You!

this just AINT right

right now

TODAY
the whole world is supposed to be living in harmony

(and ebony...la la da da..oops sorry)

and we all are getting along so friendly and happily ever after

how do I know this??

barry won the white house and this is what we were told would happen...so where did he go wrong...

AND it is reported that among some of the captured BASTARDS are british nationals.

a sure sign of an immigration policy in britian that needs changing.
are WE LEARNING FROM THIS aMERICA??

AND it is reported that among some of the captured BASTARDS are british nationals.

Yeah well... that news turned out to be fake. Like I said at the time. Indians were lying.

However, despite initial claims, it became increasingly certain that there was no involvement of British-based fundamentalists. Police forces across the UK denied they were investigating named individuals and Gordon Brown said there was no evidence linking any of the terrorist to the UK.

The UK Foreign Office also said there was no evidence' that any of the terrorists were British.

so when did this come out

as late as last night I was hearing about it....

as late as last night I was hearing about it....

I saw it this morning.

First they said "we have two British-Pakistanis captured!"

Then they said "We got a Terrier from Faridkot, Pakistan".

And when it was all over the blog world that "Faridkot" does NOT exist in Pakistan... but that there IS a "Faridkot" in India... when the whole world was laughing at the Indians... the story changed yet again!

NOW they are saying the terriers are from Kashmir. That they have a confession!

Yeah right....

The FBI has gone to India as has Scotland Yard. And I can tell you right now, they are not taking Indian investigations seriously.

Pakistan is asking for evidence... at the very least, the fingerprints of the terrier who they claim is from Pakistan. We can run those prints at NADRA (the largest database on the planet) to see if he really is from Pak.

They are not giving us his fingerprints.

All hogwash.

polticial maneuvering

pointing fingers before their evidence is how corrupt politicians in india and pakistan do things.

let the evidence surface and lets as a world

and as the two governments of pakistan and india

work together to fight a universal global threat

its a threat to the free world
its a threat to true islam
its a threat to peace.

Mossad role in Turkey coup plot revealed

Israel's national intelligence agency Mossad has been behind a failed coup in Turkey, the Turkish daily newspaper, Milliyet reports.

A secret investigation into detained Ergenekon group members and other studies outside Turkey indicate that Mossad orchestrated the coup plot against the Turkish government, the report says.

The West contines to act on the basis of the fiction that Islamic outrages such as continuing bombings and murders perpetrated by these scum are somehow a perverted demand for redress of grievances. . In Thailand, Buddhists beheaded, Nigeria, Christians killed, Spain, England, the U.S., Mumbai, everywhere throughout the world these atrocities are perpetrated by Islamics. The West pretends that the perpetrators are motivated by "grievances," when their overriding "grievance" is that they have not subdued the West and put it under control of sharia law. It's a religious war. Face it and deal with it.

The motivations are not "grievances" for which the West might be at fault, but are part of the jihadist agenda.

By the way, the Brits, who harbor thousands of terrorists in their midst and have suffered attacks, refuse to curtail the overt operations of their terrorist groups. In fact, they have reopened their cooperation and sharing of information with the Syrian intelligence sector. Remember the Haredi assassination by the Syrians. Ho hum. Apparently all is forgiven.

Who wants to bet that the Brits suffer a big jihadist attack? Everything seems to be in place. Terrorists given free rein, and a lack of preparedness and alertness. The clock is ticking.

#106 | Posted by Bani at 2008-12-01 12:11 PM

Too bad the coup failed if it did, Bani.

Oh, that's right. You prefer an Islamist government in Turkey.

Johnson-
How has bush's invasion of Iraq, contributing to the failure in Afghanistan and his inability to actually capture/kill bin Laden helped anything other than your desire for a global religious war?

By the way, Tosser, I saw your "Mango's menu." Nothing extraordinary. But I suppose that it's comforting to be satisfied with what we have.

There are ethnic restaurants in the U.S., Tosser, and some of them serve food that is quite tasty, even some Indian restaurants. But there is such a variety. Thai, various styles of Chinese and Mexican food preparation, Italian, French, Greek, Russian. Why are you so focused on your cuisine as something special?

why do you care ~ Johnson?

Of course bani and tosser suffer from selective reading, and want answer nor address your points johnson.

As for the identity of the terrorist, who knows? As I've said before and the two apologists know, they were muslims, not hindus, that's obvious.

Much attention is focused on Lashkar-e-Taiba, but it could be any 10 muslim shit heads.

Well Dave, the latest releases indicate that these terrorists released a Turkish family that identified itself as Muslim, and that many of their captives, Americans, British, Israelis, and Jews, were tortured before being killed. The worst torture was reserved for the young Jewish couple at the Jewish center.

I'm trying to recall instances of such Hindu hostility toward Jews. I can't. This is another indication that the Islamics were involved. There is no doubt except for the smokescreen that Islamics are trying to introduce.

And now, there is supposed evidence that funds to support the attack were raised in London in a mosque.

The New York Times assiduously avoids referring to the terrorists as terrorists or Muslims, but instead refers to them as "gunmen," who somehow materialized from a void, and were imbued with an intent to kill with no one aware of the whys or wherefores. The Indian press is not so circumspect.

#109 | Posted by BetelG at 2008-12-01 03:34 PM

How has bush's invasion of Iraq, contributing to the failure in Afghanistan ...

One is that this war on terror is somehow confined within discrete political entities. The Islamic elements are conjoined, not only in Afghanistan and Iraq, but elsewhere in the world. There were attacks in Spain, England, and the U.S.A., for example, involving participants from several distinct political jurisdictions, and united not by geography or political coherence, but by affiliation as "Islamic" terrorists, jihadists attacking non-Muslims.

There are no political boundaries that restrict operations of the terrorists, and our response is required to address these creatures from wherever they operate, or find sanctuary or support.

It's one war against terror, -geuse. We do best to deploy our forces in the most effective way without regard to national boundaries, which are no longer definitive.

And what causes you to conclude that there is "failure" in Afghanistan? The restraint by Westerners nowadays undermines our ability to control the population. The Taliban use coercion without limitation. Afghanis will torture, skin people alive, and engage in all sorts of activity that we eschew to command cooperation.

We are reluctant to act in certain ways because of consequences. We do not destroy the poppy (opium) crops by spraying because of the anticipated widespread starvation that we project would result. So, instead we enable funding of our foes. Not a good move. I have long opposed the idea of sending our people to fight wars with shackled, which is what we have done. Our efforts "to win hearts and minds," are no match for the fear of the Taliban. It's tactics and not feet on the ground that is our problem.

... and his inability to actually capture/kill bin Laden ...

... helped anything other than your desire for a global religious war?

A person who is a unilateral pacifist ends up as a slave or a corpse if there is anyone who attacks him. I am not inveighing for a war, but I do recognize the jihadist nature of Islam, and that the great majority of Islamics are complicit with the aims of the so-called extremists. So long as we accept attacks without consequences to the attackers, their sources of support, and their bases of operation, we remain in jeopardy. It is others, who are attacking us. A good defense requires an offensive capacity, destruction of the sources of harm to us. If the Islamics find that they are in harm's way without moderation if our interests are attacked, then they may reconsider their positions. If we permit these atttcks to continue, then nature will work it out with us Darwin-ed out. you seem oblivious to the fact that "the global war" has been launched by the Islamics and that what you are advocating is that we be unresponsive to reduce the scope of the conflict.

#90 | Posted by k_g_beekeeper at 2008-12-01 01:41 AM

NCO

USMC

MOS 0811

I do respect and value your position. I had thought you were a Marine gunnery sergeant. A gunny? (I'm not particularly familiar with Marine parlance.) They too are outspoken and proud. I was close.

So Fundo.... got our beauty sleep, did we?

Why are you so focused on your cuisine as something special?

Hahahahahahaa.... Fundo DIDN'T see my videos at all!

"Cuisine" my ass.... he missed the whole point.

Get some DSL.. when your fucking church allows it. LOL

How long can you keep going on dial-up, you loser?

I was an artilleryman myself

"But now I am just a Fundo. I got hit on the head in a training exercise and saw the light."

Army recruits losers from the Bible Belt or Corn Belt or Seat Belt or some such place usually, yeah?

There is an easy way to see if a terrier is Hindoo or Muslim.

Get him to drop his pants. Muslims are circumcised, Harami-Hindoos are not.

That is how we caught those Indian terriers in Swat.

Muslims also have little dicks. Another way to tell the difference.

Hey, if you think chopping off part of a little baby's penis is the kind of thing your god is into, there's really not much more I can say to that.

Also, do you mind stating your age Tosser?