Yeah, no one will remember the melt down of the world economy.

The 'Liberation Of Iraqis' continues unabated.

A suicide bomber wearing an explosive vest blew himself up just inside the courtyard of a Shiite mosque in a town south of Baghdad on Friday, killing 12 people and wounding 19, according to eyewitnesses and security officials.

"I'd like to be a president [known] as somebody who liberated 50 million people and helped achieve peace."

Soon we won't have to listen to this smarmy, smirking idiot spout his delusions.

Like Nixon liberated the Vietnamese, Reagan the Grenadians. A smarmy, smirking idiot, to be sure, but most SSIs have at least a clue. herm

Yeah, no one will remember the melt down of the world economy.

#1 | Posted by danni

Did Bush do that? Was he the only one? Do you think this meltdown started 8 years ago?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, fill out the section on "Education for Morons"

Hoover wasn't to blame for the "Great Depression", but he takes the hit. The "'08 Meltdown" will be forever applied to GWB. That's how history works.

Com'on Ed. Most people are morons.

"Bush said in a conversation recorded for the oral-history organization StoryCorps"

Ahahahahaha!

A program he tried to kill (public radio) no less!

Or should I say "Drown"!

The President who snuffed tyrant Saddam and drove terrorist Osama to the caves.

(and almost drove the liberals out of their mind....)

How about we just forget him entirely and start referring to the last 8 years as "the incident".

The President who snuffed tyrant Saddam and drove terrorist Osama to the caves.

The President who released Iran and rejuvenated the Russian bear, while allowing the worst terrorist attack in American history, then all but forgetting about it.

(and conviced the rest of the country that the liberals were right about his incompetency).

Pancho-how abut The Great American Brain Fart-2001-2009?)

I'd like to remember him as the man who killed the GOP.

Hoover wasn't to blame for the "Great Depression", but he takes the hit. The "'08 Meltdown" will be forever applied to GWB. That's how history works.

Com'on Ed. Most people are morons.

#6 | Posted by LeeAtwater

What meltdown? The Fed has put $5 1/2 trillion into the money supply overnight and *poof* no meltdown.

People will remember 911. Not the "meltdown", whatever that is.

I am just amazed how the Fed can atually get away with this. Probably, mostly because most people don't even know this.

Pancho-how abut The Great American Brain Fart-2001-2009?)

#10 | Posted by northguy3 at 2008-11-28 04:48 PM |

Good enough, as both his tenure and a fart have lingering effects, not especially pleasant.

WILL be remembered as a President that ironically set a standard of HOPE via his certain foresight for the World to utilize and to pick and choose through our trials and errors a cheat sheet to use for their own "homeland security". Unfortunately, growing pains abound in India and get ready, everywhere else as well.

There is a new definition for "class warfare" as we here know it. It is now, finally clear I hope, a truly international hatred upon YOU- A Westerner irrelevant upon whether a Pelosi or Bush fan.

Our President (now Elect) Obama has this to consider and with the noise of the left arm-waving in the meantime and forever in the future, when are going to help me? Obama is already thinking "that son of a bitch Bush...I get it now; and he is sitting in Crawford waiting for my phone call (and W will answer) to answer my question, what in the hell do I do now...". Sleep well libtards, Hillary has no f'ing idea believe me and Raum is just plain crazy......Like me on right, I get to sit on the sidelines and watch you chickens with your heads cut off....th, that is until something gets way too heavy and we'll come out of the woodwork and save this Country again....enjoy yourselves in the meantime, lights, camera, ACTION !!!

#14 | Posted by bnjohanson at 2008-11-28 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag: Bad 'shroom trip

Did Bush do that? Was he the only one? Do you think this meltdown started 8 years ago?

If you answered yes to any of these questions, fill out the section on "Education for Morons"

#5 | Posted by Eddie

Eddie, use your brain. Do you not think that 8 years as President was enough time for Mr. Bush to avert the economic catastrophe we're now facing? Or to at least change the direction things were moving?

The deficit in 2000 was $5,674 Billion, 58% of GDP. In 2008 it is approximately $10 Trillion, 72.5% of GDP!

Yes, MUCH OF THIS is Bush's fault, unless you now want to contend that the POTUS has no power whatsoever to change a damned thing? Nice logic.

You stupid Republicans aren't making things any better. BUSH FUCKED YOU. ACCEPT THAT REALITY AND MOVE ON.

"The President who snuffed tyrant Saddam and drove terrorist Osama to the caves (and almost drove the liberals out of their mind....)"

Amending this only slightly: The tyrant who snuffed Saddam and ignored terrorist Osama (and almost drove the world out of its mind....). Okay, no "almost about it. herm

Oh yeah, who's carrying that debt ? Look moron, quit comparing this to how anal you carry your own broken check book. The US still still carries (today) 34% of the World's GDP. At the end of the day, what are you concerned about Jackass in spite of your first try of giving every loser like yourself a house ?

#15 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-11-28 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag: CrackAntonioRogue straight back to Prison prior to Christmas (-180)

"Obama is already thinking "that son of a bitch Bush...I get it now; and he is sitting in Crawford waiting for my phone call (and W will answer) to answer my question, what in the hell do I do now..."."

"#15 | Posted by SanAntonioRogue at 2008-11-28 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag: CrackAntonioRogue straight back to Prison prior to Christmas (-180)"

#19 | Posted by bnjohanson at 2008-11-28 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag: meaningless, but not unexpected, gibberish

Earth calling President Bush-Please return to this planet and look at reality.Your pooch is pregnant and you are the guilty party. Your legacy is also called fertilizer.

They just can't comprehend the fact that the adults will be (finally) back in charge of things.

Hans

OK fran...I mean Hans- We'll be here on-call for that inevitable 3am-er...

"....drove terrorist Osama to the caves..."

So much for wanted dead or alive.

So much for justice.

Hans

Postscript: Osama in the caves? "Please don't throw me in the briar patch."

freeing Iraqis and fighting AIDS in Africa.

Bwa hah hah hah hah hah hah hah!

First off, the situation in Iraq is a nightmare of practically unimaginable horror and has been from the get-go.

Saddam Hussein when he was still America's strongman in the region killed over 300,000 of his own people.

/With a little help from Donald Rumsfeld et al

This took him 30 years to accomplish.

BushCo's ruinous policies have killed easily three times that number in only 5 years.

Quite an accomplishment if ya think about it.

BushCo's corporately directed and ruinous policies have also taken a once secular state and turned it into a bloody cesspool, breeding terrorists and violent desperate gangs.

The educated and the secular have mostly fled and are living as refugees either w/i Iraq on outside it and the Christian population who got along in that country fer millenia are either dead, have fled or are being persecuted horrifically.

If anything positive emerges from Iraq it will take a very long time and it will occur DESPITE Dumbya's ill advised war not BECAUSE of it.

Now ...onto Africa.

Bush took money away from groups who were making a real difference in Africa in terms of combatting AIDS and gave that money along with another chunk of tax dollars to his fundy fuckstick pals who replaced the more effective programs with programs that emphasized abstinance instead, along with a tendency to proselytize.

Hardly an accomplishment of note.

The economy?

The factors leading up to the current collapse were in play before Dumbya took office but rather than working to improve the situation he took some really bad advise and exaserbated an already bad situation into a global crisis.

Dumbya's effort to curb global terorism have only made the problems worse and played into the hands of the Bin Ladens of this world.

Basically the guy has been a total failure in every respect worth looking at.

How will Spud remember Dumbya?

As a War Criminal who got away with it.

As a closeted self-loathing bisexual chimp with a coke addled mind and the sleaziest team of advisors on the planet up to and including his co-president Dickless Cheney who stole from the poor and gave to the rich while wiping their ass with the American flag and the Constitution.

As EPIC FAIL personified.

Be Well.

"We'll be here on-call for that inevitable 3am-er..."

Of course we will be.

Hans

The President who snuffed tyrant Saddam and drove terrorist Osama to the caves.

(and almost drove the liberals out of their mind....)

#8 | Posted by takitez at 2008-11-28 04:27 PM

don't forget about driving the economy into the ground, god-boy!

*WORST * PRESIDENT * EVER* 'Nuf said. Is it January 20 yet? Bet that's a question Shrub is asking every morning.....

"*WORST * PRESIDENT * EVER*"

The President who snuffed tyrant Saddam fer one of his relatively minor crimes in order to avoid any US culpability fer his 30 year reign of terror.

People will remember 911 and the fact that Bush sat on his hands waiting and hoping for it to occur while simultaneously tying the hands of those who might have stopped it.

There.

FIXED THAT FOR YOU.

Be Well.

"don't forget about driving the economy into the ground, god-boy!"

"don't forget about driving the economy into the ground, god-boy!"

Yep. George W. "Herbert Hoover" Bush.

Hans
#31 | Posted by Hans

Yep. As people are paying attention to this shit, the insanely rich of the world and making off with $trillions because the Fed (Federal Reserve) is just printing money out of thin air.

I want to know why Congress is letting this happen.

Here, you guys, watch the baffoon on the hill while $trillions are stolen.

People will remember 911 and the fact that Bush sat on his hands waiting and hoping for it to occur while simultaneously tying the hands of those who might have stopped it.

There.

FIXED THAT FOR YOU.

Be Well.

#30 | Posted by dethspud

However, people will not remember Bush for that.

First off, the situation in Iraq is a nightmare of practically unimaginable horror and has been from the get-go.

I hope that after the savior is in office all you libs will "see the light" on the conditions in Iraq. You got your guy elected - you can drop the doomsday Iraq scenario now and come back to reality.

Unimaginable horror = spud allowed to vote in the U.S. Good thing he is stuck up in a country with the approximate GDP of Texas:

Canada
GDP (PPP) 2007 estimate
- Total $1.269 trillion
- Per capita $38,613

Texas

In the fourth quarter of 2006, Texas had a gross state product of $1.09 trillion, the second highest in the U.S. Gross state product per capita as of 2005 was $42,975.

And less productive - imagine that considering the demographics.

Course, could have something to do with the pisswater they call beer. Crown-Royal on the other hand...

"I want to know why Congress is letting this happen. "

Bush drove the ship of state off a cliff, and on the way down, asked Congress if they wanted to engage the airbags.

"First off, the situation in Iraq is a nightmare of practically unimaginable horror and has been from the get-go."

You think?

Gosh, some of us thought that, oh, a few years ago.

Congratulations on your epiphany.

F*ck you on your epiphany.

Hans

"However, people will not remember Bush for that."

Oh, yes they will.

Hans

Bush will be known for being a closet homosexual with sadomasochistic tendencies while being intellectually incurious.

A modern day Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus (Caligula).

Newsflash Eddie:
People ALREADY remember Bush for sitting frozen on 9/11 with THAT BOOK, then flying around in the air for hours, then hiding in Shreveport.

(special phrase in caps for Bushlover2; I raised the margarita glass for you last night)

Bush will be remembered as the jackass that he is.

I imagine the only Democrat that appreciates GWB would have to be Jimmy Carter.
Of course, 12% inflation, 22% interest rates, 70% marginal tax rates, 7.7% unemployment, 444 days America was held hostage by Iran and gasoline rationing are hard to forget.
However, the 2.7% inflation rates, historically low interest rates and 35% marginal tax rates and 5.2% unemployment rate under GWB somehow make him the worst President in history.
But then again, the left does not place as much value in domestic issues and accomplishments as it does in international issues and accomplishments, right?

Now I know that liberals are really out of their mind --- in their insult and hatred for Bush. LOL.

The Thanksgiving weekend has not calmed them down. I guess I'd be seeing more during Christmas too.

Maybe we should ask Michelle to soak Obama's socks in water and give the same juice for his worshippers to drink and send in money for his reelection campaign.

He wants to be remembered as a simple, decent God fearing Christian who killed hundred of thousands of infidels, and freed the ancient lands from the hands of the saracens. Bushu Akbar!

Like yesterday's diarrhea. Bush, you're already forgotten and flushed down the sewer.

You worthless son-of-a-bitch. How can you sleep at night knowing how many widows, widowers and parentless children are left behind after this senseless war????

May you die a long, painful death in your retirement.

Fuck you and all of your relatives. Burn in hell.

in about one week shrub's cronies stole twice as much as the marshall plan, our moon mission, the entire NASA and high energy physics budget, s&l crisis, vietnam, iraq, katrina....

people do not seem to grasp the numbers.

if they did there would be blood on the streets.

Laura will remember him as "my drunken ex".

Of course, 12% inflation, 22% interest rates, 70% marginal tax rates, 7.7% unemployment, 444 days America was held hostage by Iran and gasoline rationing are hard to forget.
However, the 2.7% inflation rates, historically low interest rates and 35% marginal tax rates and 5.2% unemployment rate under GWB somehow make him the worst President in history.

If you don't think inflation is above 12% you are really foolin yourself. 22% interest rate as opposed to no interest rate because loans can't even be had. 7.7% VS 6.5% and the 6.5 is the biggest lie ever transposed but I suppose you wouldn't want to use the same unemployment method carter used would you.

Everything you posted is nothing but a convoluted twist of magic stats to make this administration not appear as horrible.

Some day you will wake up, but by then you will be a dying old man wishing for foregiveness for your blinded ignorance.

Bush took money away from groups who were making a real difference in Africa in terms of combatting AIDS and gave that money along with another chunk of tax dollars to his fundy fuckstick pals who replaced the more effective programs with programs that emphasized abstinance instead, along with a tendency to proselytize.

Hardly an accomplishment of note.

Yeah. but the afircans love him...and it IS the closest thing he has to a positive achievement in his entire presidency.

Maybe because they subconsciously knew he was the one to give us eventually our Black Messiah?

He'll be remembered as the mass murderer he is.
I think the africans would lynch him if they knew it is his globalist palls supplying the weapons that destroy their families, used to rob them of their resources.

He will always be remembered as simply the worst president ever.

His Supreme Court appointments will prove to be the most damaging.

If I were W I would prefer to be forgotten in a hurry, but forgiven.... don't even think about it !

Everyone start eating fast food; that way you won't need to remember Dubya (see related mice story...)

"How Bush wants to be remembered"

The total opposite of Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who we can blame for the financial mess we are presently in. If congress had any guts these two ASSHOLES would be gone.
But of course these political HACKS protect each other's ass.

"Barney Frank and Chris Dodd who we can blame for the financial mess we are presently in."

*Sigh*

Yet another idiot who believes a minority member of a Republican-controlled committee in a Republican controlled government was the actual mover and shaker.

Well, at least Ozzie has admitted the Republicans can't govern, even when they control all three branches of government.

DANIFORTH: Refresh my memory. WHO CONTROLLED CONGRESS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS?

Two years ago the economy was booming.

George Bush could've come in & made the world the singing, dancing, love-fest utopia you Libs have in your minds as the ideal & you still would've hated him. He couldn't win from the get go with you guys. At least he isn't a poll-watching, UN ass kisser who cares more about being "liked" than doing what he thinks is right. I will always remember him as the president who understood enough to know that sometimes war & carrying the bigger stick is the ONLY way to deal with fanatics. Bitch all you want but if you think we'd be any better off under Gore or Kerry, its only because you hate Bush. Heaven save us from a president who puts the world first and America second, oh wait, too late. 1/20/2009

"I will always remember him as the president who understood enough to know that sometimes war & carrying the bigger stick is the ONLY way to deal with fanatics."

And we'll always remember that Bush f*cked it up so badly he attacked the wrong "fanatics."

"...but if you think we'd be any better off under Gore or Kerry..."

9/11 wouldn't have happened had Gore been president.

Hans

"Two years ago the economy was booming."

What's fun about this is that the American give credit and place the blame for the US economy on the current occupant of the Oval Office.

The American people don't do nuance. Doubt that? Just reflect on the results of the 2008 House and Senate elections versus the 2008 presidential election. There within lies your answer.

;0)

Hans

REMEMBER THE CARTER YEARS? Here we go again.

HANS: There is a boat leaving for Dutchland viva Cuba. Get on it.

There are no wrong fanatics, that's the point! They all have to go! And tell me why Gore would have prevented 9/11? The planning and shit had to go back to the Clinton years wouldn't you think? All the terrorists had a field day planning the destruction of the world while he was banging the intern! Gore is a tool worse than Kerry!

There is a boat leaving for Dutchland viva Cuba. Get on it.

#62 | Posted by ozzieoswald

Dutchland? Viva Cuba?

9/11 wouldn't have happened had Gore been president.

Hans

Eventually all libs will lift up their dress and let us peek at what they have up there.

Two years ago the economy was booming.

#57 | Posted by ozzieoswald

Grasp of the concepts of fundamental economics ... Fail.

"Eventually all libs will lift up their dress and let us peek at what they have up there."

Gotcha on the edge of yer seat, has it?

Earth calling President Bush-Please return to this planet and look at reality.

#22 | Posted by keith204 at 2008-11-28 05:45 PM | Reply

Or: Earth calling President Bush - do not in any event return to this planet. Thank you.

Heaven save us from a president who puts the world first and America second,
#58 | Posted by HATEBIGGOV at 2008-11-29 09:46 AM | Reply

That WOULD be an interesting idea.

A self-styled newbie hater of big government weighs in with:

"George Bush could've ... made the world the singing, dancing, love-fest utopia you Libs have ... as the ideal & you still would've hated him. He couldn't win from the get go with you guys."

Seems to ME that his popularity was unmatched back on 9/12/01.

"...sometimes war & carrying the bigger stick is the ONLY way to deal with fanatics."

War is the last resort in most anyone's book. Bush made it his first.

"Heaven save us from a president who puts the world first and America second."

Actually, I PREFER someone with a slightly more global outlook. herm

War is the last resort in most anyone's book. Bush made it his first.

value life do you herm?

" Refresh my memory. WHO CONTROLLED CONGRESS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS?"

Obstructionist Republicans and a President who finally found his veto pen.

Or don't you know how governance is conducted?

"Two years ago the economy was booming."

With respect to Lloyd Bentsen, if you let me write a few trillion dollars of hot checks, I can give you the illusion of "booming" as well.

DANIFORTH: Your lack of knowledge can only be attributed to some kind of a brain problem. Have someone get you to the emergency room right away.

PS Have you gotten your "Happy Hanukkah Card" from Barry Frank and Herb Moses?

DANIFORTH: Your lack of knowledge can only be attributed to some kind of a brain problem.

#74 | Posted by ozzieoswald

This from the genius that thinks all our economic problems came about in the last 2 years?

Priceless.

"I've been in the Bible every day since I've been the president..." George W Bush

What???

Despite what he hopes to be remembered as, he will be remembered as: "The straw that broke America's bacK"

More name calling! Man, I'm starting to feel like one of the family! (sniff...single tear)

I value life. That's why I'm willing to back people who have the balls to defend it even if it is unpopular. I've never heard Bush say anything about caring about his popularity. Congress doesn't care about theirs, worst ever. None of them would care how popular they are if there was no political fall out possibly affecting the next election. Do you seriously think any politician gives a rats ass what Joe Voter thinks if it doesn't directly affect their power? I would say that it could hamper their effectiveness but I'm very jaded at this point and am hard pressed to point out an effective elected official. I'm sure there are a few.
Have you ever read a history book? War is always the least favored option, but it must always be on the table.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States"

And "global outlook" is OK but OUR president of these UNITED STATES doesn't swear to protect the world, he swears to protect the US. Show me where it says anything about the world? I know OB wants to be President of the world but that is not the office he was elected to now was it? And while we're on the subject of last resorts, just how many times does the useless, corrupt United Nations get to warn someone before the US does anything about it? Fundamental difference of opinion here that we can argue for days. There is something to be said for taking it to the enemy. The problem is we lack the political will in this country to do what is right for America because we want to be liked so much. Nobody ever likes the best & brightest. Did you go to high school? I'm not naive enough to think America hasn't done self-serving things to the detriment of others or made mistakes and we will again but were not the war-mongering, imperialist dogs we're accused of being either. The economic crisis here that has spread around the globe approves that what is good/bad for the US is good/bad for the world. So there, I'm a "globalist" afterall.

worst potus all time is how he will be remembered.

So far. OB is setting himself up to be classified as an even bigger failure simply by the promises he's made that he can't possibly keep. Given the landscape of up & comers in politics, this is a title that will continue to be passed down much to our detriment.

hatebiggov you sound about as bad as takitez

The President who snuffed tyrant Saddam and drove terrorist Osama to the caves.

(and almost drove the liberals out of their mind....)

#8 | Posted by takitez at 2008-11-28 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

YEAH!

We got that one man (Saddam) and only lost 4000 Americans in the process!

Mission Accomplished!

Mr.president
you did not sell you soul?
You do not have one SIR.

"...value life do you herm?" Absolutely. Life of those who have been born, who are alive. I suspect ol' Eb would like to revive the fetal rights discussion. I'm ready, if Ed has anything new. herm

How he wants to be remembered has no bearing.

How he will be remembered... let me respond by saying I'll be doing my best to not remember.

I'm not sure lying about acts to rationalize going to war, killing a head of state without provocation with Iraqis worse off now than ever before. If you don't fund no child left behind, it not worth the paper it's written on and the test score are still worse than before it was initiated.

Regardless of how he wants to be remembered, here's how he will be.

As long as anyone who suffered under his horrible presidency remains alive: Worst. President. Ever.

After that: That guy before President Obama.

the only man on Planet Earth that could sit in a chair reading my pet goat for twenty minutes after the second tower was hit. besides Cheney. No leader of any country that was sincerely caught by surprise of these events could do that unless he really knew what was going on. we need a new 9/11 commission fully funded and make these criminals finally answer some really tough questions under oath...

let me guess, they have some sort of ex-president privilege that ensures this never happens.

KRIMINALS!

why was taxpayers monies when the "KRIMMALS" are already known?

Bush will be remembered as the MISUNDERESTIMATED President.

The Decider.
The Liberator (Iraq and Afghanistan).

The Liberator (Iraq and Afghanistan).

#90 | Posted by takitez

FF

Terrorist-in-chief works best for me

Bush the Lesser would be my pick.

Bush is busy right now on a whole series of Executive Orders that, among other things, allow mining companies to dump their waste in valleys and rivers, and Labor Dept. regulations that "would make it much harder for the government to regulate toxic substances and hazardous chemicals to which workers are exposed on the job. Public health officials and labor unions said the rule would delay needed protections for workers, resulting in additional deaths and illnesses.

The Labor Department proposal is one of about 20 highly contentious rules the Bush administration is planning to issue in its final weeks. The rules deal with issues as diverse as abortion, auto safety and the environment."

Unintentionally-Funny Flag for Takitez

(Takitez: the Sarah Palin of the DR)

"Terrorist-in-chief works best for me" - yeah, unfortunately he hasn't been sworn in yet. Wait til January. Of course, you may call him "the brutha in charge" He will move in to the White Crib and move the rest of us into the ghetto. (Sort of ironic.)

On the other hand, if he did raise interest rates to 22% interest rate, this may not be a bad thing. (Mine is not "floating".) On the other hand, of the interest rate goes up, it would be a great time to pull money from the market and put it into savings accounts and get a nice guaranteed return on investment. (I haven't made more than 15% in a while!) Of course, then the "he's gonna pay mah mortgage and buy mah gas!" crowds will be pissed that someone is saving money while their credit cards are eating them alive! (Damn those rich people who don't have credit card debt!)

Back on topic, he could be the president that assisted the country with its suicide - committed November 4, 2008.

"and move the rest of us into the ghetto."

*sigh*

Yet another who doesn't get the Bush Bust & Bailout concept.

Bush drove the ship of state off the cliff, and midway down is handing Obama the steering wheel. Moving us "into the ghetto" is the last and largest gift from The Bush Administration.

"How Bush Wants to Be Remembered"

I don't want to remember you at all, George.

"Back on topic, he could be the president that assisted the country with its suicide - committed November 4, 2008."

Don't tell me...you wanted 8 more years like the last 8?!?

Two MORE wars, and an ADDITIONAL doubling of the debt?

We will remember him. There is no way he can tell us how we will remember him. Or change how we remember him. It's a done deal.

And why is it his sister who is doing this idiotic interview?

Terrorist in Chief is the current president & hopefully that ends in Jan sometime soon.

But who knows ~ this India/Paki situation might cramp Obama's style as Bush relishes another splendid opportunity to start another war somehow before he leaves for his ranch

Dan,

You are certainly more optimistic than I am. I am hoping that we have a reprieve in two years and complete reversal of fortune in four (not eight).

If war is going to come, it is going to come anyway, I would MUCH rather have McCain in charge than a RANK amateur whose greatest contribution to foreign policy is that he gave a speech! As to the debt, I don't know what the basis of that assertion is...will it be from those two wars you foresee that are somehow unique to the McCain presidency, or is it from the bailout?

Danforth, you are economically one of the smartest people here...what impact will Dumbo's social programs (you know health care, the $1,000 bribes to the poor, etc.) going to have on the national debt?

"If war is going to come, it is going to come anyway"

Pretty pitiful, after a botched search for bin Laden and the invasion of a country which had nothing to do with 9/11. Wars of choice don't "come anyway".

"what impact will Dumbo's social programs (you know health care, the $1,000 bribes to the poor, etc.) going to have on the national debt?"

First, unless you have better credentials than a Harvard Magna, calling him Dumbo reflects more on you than him.

More importantly, why are you more worried about what might be than with what already is? Bush more than doubled the national debt in one administration, and will have virtually doubled the annual debt burden in terms of percentage going to service that debt. Add to that, the Bush Bust & Bailout will require higher taxes to us for a generation or two (or three or four). Is that going to be Obama's fault?

And while UHC definitely costs more in the short run, it costs A LOT LESS in the long run. Ask anyone who's ever served on a health committee & seen the empirical numbers, and we'll tell you the same thing: prevention is MUCH cheaper than cure.

As for the $1,000...Obama won't be able to afford it. Of course, that didn't stop Bush, nor did the rightwingers make a peep. It's only now someone with a (D) behind there name they finally want to tie income to outgo. Forgive me if it seems a half-decade late, and ten trillion dollars short.

Bani,

"Terrorist in Chief is the current president..."

I understand how easy it would be to get confused based upon the news coverage, but if you look carefully at the front of Dumbo's podium, it says the "office of the President ELECT". (So many dems keep forgetting that last part.) I am afraid that our experience with him is just beginning in January.

"First, unless you have better credentials than a Harvard Magna, calling him Dumbo reflects more on you than him"

ff though having degrees don't prove anything ~ really in the end...

Why is A CITIZEN asking all these questions if "we" committed suicide on November the 4th?

"office of the President ELECT".

#105 | Posted by A_Citizen

I never forget that Bush's last 2 elections were stolen by Roveian shenanigans:>/

How Bush "wants" to be remembered doesn't mean jack shit.

Danforth,

"First, unless you have better credentials than a Harvard Magna, calling him Dumbo reflects more on you than him."

Thank you for the chuckle. Wonder what would happen if I said, "unless you have better credentials than a BS from Yale and a Harvard MBA, calling him Chimpy (or some semblance thereof) reflects more on you than him."

I have been told that I cannot refer to Dumbo as the Simian in chief (or any version thereof), or for that matter I cannot refer to him by any moniker that is related to the monkey (although it seems to have been good enough for the current president) because "it offends people". (Plus calling Dumbo a chimp is hardly original, despite the fact that the resemblance is much closer than Bush's. "Dumbo" is at least as much a reference to his ears as his intellect. (It is an added bonus that I can simultaneously pay homage to all those wonderful Disney characters that helped elect him.)

"why are you more worried about what might be than with what already is?"

Because you answered my statement with the question: "Two MORE wars, and an ADDITIONAL doubling of the debt?" (You capitalized "more" and "additional" not me.)

"And while UHC definitely costs more in the short run, it costs A LOT LESS in the long run. Ask anyone who's ever served on a health committee & seen the empirical numbers, and we'll tell you the same thing: prevention is MUCH cheaper than cure."

While this is probably true if you are paying for it all. However, when you look at the example of Britain, the public hospitals SUCK. (However they do have some private hospitals that are for the very wealthy where the waiting lists are minimal and quality is good. I hardly think that is the model that you want here - as much as people seem to currently hate the wealthy, I cannot imagine how happy they will be when you can have the quality of health care you can afford!)

A CITIZEN-
re: I have been told that I cannot refer to Dumbo as the Simian in chief (or any version thereof), or for that matter I cannot refer to him by any moniker that is related to the monkey (although it seems to have been good enough for the current president) because "it offends people".

Pussy.

As to the debt, I don't know what the basis of that assertion is...will it be from those two wars you foresee that are somehow unique to the McCain presidency, or is it from the bailout?

A_CITIZEN

National Debt January 20th, 2001: 5 trillion
National Debt January 20th, 2009: 11 trillion

Plus another 7 trillion in govt. backed bailouts.

Why is it so hard to understand Bush is a moron who's bankrupted our country?

"unless you have better credentials than a BS from Yale and a Harvard MBA, calling him Chimpy (or some semblance thereof) reflects more on you than him."

Well, I've never called him Chimpy. Boy George, maybe. But Bush lied to us in a manner which belied any formal training, claiming we were in a recession (we weren't) just to get his tax cuts for the wealthiest passed. I've yet to witness Obama making statements out of whole cloth.

"because "it offends people". "

Really? Do you have any clue as to why?

"Because you answered my statement with the question: "Two MORE wars, and an ADDITIONAL doubling of the debt""

It seemed you didn't believe we'd had enough of that. Unlike most of the rest of the country.

"when you look at the example of Britain, the public hospitals SUCK"

Yet they only spend 8% of their GDP on UHC, and everyone is covered. The US spends about twice its GDP, and still leaves about 50 million uninsured.

Yet they only spend 8% of their GDP on UHC, and everyone is covered. The US spends about twice its GDP, and still leaves about 50 million uninsured.

It still sucks. Perhaps they should spend more of their GDP?

"Perhaps they should spend more of their GDP?"

Or perhaps Americans should realize we're getting screwed.

Americans are pretty good at getting screwed at everything from what I read here.

Might as well be healthcare too.

Danforth,

"because "it offends people". "
Really? Do you have any clue as to why?

I really don't care. (RCADE has a different opinion and I respect his playground rules.) Black people find the comparison to be "racist". If it is unacceptable, it is unacceptable. I could say I was calling his white half a simian, but I don't think that would improve things. I can't call you a n*gger and I can't call him one either. It is unacceptable to call someone that. If it is unacceptable to call someone is a monkey, then that brush paints all walls, otherwise it is fair game.

"The US spends about twice its GDP, and still leaves about 50 million uninsured."

We spend over $27 trillion on medicine in this country per year? More importantly, you believe that our GOVERNMENT spends $27 trillion on medical care?
(US GDP in 2007 - $13.78 trillion)

This dodges my question about the waiting period and the "special hospitals" for the wealthy.

"But Bush lied to us in a manner which belied any formal training, claiming we were in a recession (we weren't) just to get his tax cuts for the wealthiest passed."

This is different from Dumbo promising those giant tax rebates and tax cuts to the lower class in what way? What about the promise to "sock it to the rich" that he made that he is now refusing to confirm. How is that different? (I think you may have scotoma.)

Here's a table of average life expectancies in various countries.

The United States ranks 30th

I can't call you a n*gger and I can't call him one either.

I'm sorry you "can't" refer to the President-elect as a "nigger" without stirring up some sort of crazy imaginary crap about racism, douchebag.

Every Western European country with Universal Health Care rank higher than we do. They also spend less than half per capita on health care.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Good for them. However, Americans don't value their health. Any system we have will cost zillions more regardless.

Betleg,

I picked that word as an example because it is a universal truth that it is not to be used. (We even had a funeral for it before Jesse Jackson brought it back from the dead.) I honestly can't think of another word that is almost universally considered to be rejected from polite society.

I have no desire to call Obama that. I do, however, think that I should get to give him a moniker that was at least as clever as "Chimpy" and its progeny was. (You can't use that as an example, it was clearly OK to call the president a monkey for eight years - and I doubt it will end when he leaves office. They called Lincoln a baboon for most of his term. But you can't call Dumbo anything that is simian related...it is off limits.

I honestly can't think of another word that is almost universally considered to be rejected from polite society.

"liberal"

George HW Bush started that "L word" BS.

Liberals gave you (among many others):

FDIC
FDA
SS
Workmen's Comp
Labor Laws
Decent working conditions
40 hour week
Safe Water
Safe Air

If you took away everything you take for granted "liberals" were responsible for, you'd live in a hell hole of a country, and probably couldn't afford the computer you're using right now.

If you took away everything you take for granted "liberals" were responsible for, you'd live in a hell hole of a country, and probably couldn't afford the computer you're using right now.

GWB did not start the word nor did he make it bad. I can think of some others who did.
Um, don't assign my wealth to me. You don't know what I can afford.

I was just kidding with that anyway.

I wanted to get someone's asshair's up.

Every Western European country with Universal Health Care rank higher than we do. They also spend less than half per capita on health care.

Posted by AMERICANUNITY

Good for them. However, Americans don't value their health. Any system we have will cost zillions more regardless.

#120 | Posted by eberly

Right you are. If Americans were charged for their health insurance like they are car insurance - higher risk if you're obese = higher premium - they might think twice about eating that Supersized meal at Mickey D's.

One major difference IMO is also our almost total dependence on the automobile. Europeans walk a lot more and use the more readily available mass transit. Daily grocery shopping for fresh food is another major difference. Studies show people who cook their own meals (not warm up microwave) are healthier in all economic groups.

Back on topic, Bush will be remembered as an idiot who earned that moniker.

Eberly

I said George HW Bush. 1988 RNC Convention, "The 'L' Word".

"Liberal" by definition is a positive

Didn't get my hair up. Nope LOL

I'm looking forward to January 20th :-)

I have no desire to call Obama that.

really, you sure seem too by your defense of it.

you're so much of a gentleman that you just want to call Presidnet Elect Obama a monkey not nig*er??

i met a guy this past summer who argued this samething. he was pissed that black folks can say nig*er but white people couldn't.

I asked him if he was really about not being able to say the n word. he danced around the question but is essence he was.

unbelievable.

go ahead a zitizen, if that'll make you feel things are square.

wow.

"you sure seem too by your defense of it." Not at all. I'll tell you what, give me any other word that you simply, absolutely cannot call someone.

"you're so much of a gentleman that you just want to call Presidnet Elect Obama a monkey"

Actually, my moniker was much more clever than a "monkey". However, I have somewhat less respect for him than most people would have for the current president. However, it was dumped and I was told I couldn't use it. I have become much more sensitive to the native language and habits of Dumbo these days than I was earlier.

As to the anecdote you tell about black people using words that white people can't...first I said "polite society". That excludes the people I can envision using that word. Second, there are several times when you simply have to understand that no matter what happens, there are cultures that are self destructive. They will take steps to keep themselves down. All of the "racists" in the world will not do as much harm to them as they can do for themselves by merely perpetuating the culture. Besides, Obama isn't one of these kind of people. While I have never met him, I am told by those who have that he is "clean and articulate."

no need to explain again, i get what you're saying. i'm just surprised. i've never seen someone defend their right to name calling so vigorously.

it's funny, sarcastic and a bit tongue in cheek right?

"liberal"

Posted by eberly at 2008-11-30 03:12 PM

Why, that's the exact same answer given by both President-elect McCain and Vice President-elect Palin.

What are the chances?

Hans

Now that 'conservative' is a dirty word, 'liberal' is back in style.

"i've never seen someone defend their right to name calling so vigorously.

it's funny, sarcastic and a bit tongue in cheek right?"

Not so much. I have a serious problem when someone says, "You can't SAY that." It is too closely related to you can't THINK that. Secondly, when I see one group that started BEFORE day one intending to destroy a president that later demands almost "reverence" for their president and for some reason fails to see their own hypocrisy, I become very concerned for the dying freedom of speech in light of the intolerance of the libs.

Do you have any clue as to why?

"I really don't care."

Then you're part of the problem. For decades, those of African descent were depicted in many negative ways, from pickaninnys to lawn jockeys to, yes, monkeys. But you don't care.

"If it is unacceptable to call someone is a monkey, then that brush paints all walls, otherwise it is fair game."

Show me where whites were depicted negatively for decades as monkeys and you'll have a point. Otherwise, you're merely ignorant and seemingly proud of it.

The US spends about twice its GDP, and still leaves about 50 million uninsured.

"We spend over $27 trillion on medicine in this country per year?"

"Its" was comparing the UK to the US. It seemed obvious to me.

"This dodges my question about the waiting period and the "special hospitals" for the wealthy."

That's because its no different to what we already have among the wealthy.

"This is different from (Obama) promising those giant tax rebates and tax cuts to the lower class in what way?"

One is a hope, albeit misguided. The other was an out-and-out lie, and a purposeful one at that.

"What about the promise to "sock it to the rich" that he made that he is now refusing to confirm."

Link to the actual quote, or are you pulling that one out of your ass?

When it's all said and done, I don't think Bush will be remembered for the economy, terrorism, or Iraq.

He'll be remembered for how he squandered the good will and unity of the American people. After 9/11, he had the full support of the American people, as well as much of the western world, and it could have been a true turning point in our history. He could have lead us anywhere and accomplished anything.

Instead, he squandered it all and entered us into an age of divisiveness and discourse.

AMERICANUNITY:
"Now that conservative is a dirty word and liberal is back in style".

CORRECTION: LIBERAL ASSHOLES are back in style.

#136 | Posted by ozzieoswald at 2008-11-30 04:36 PM

One of us was an asshole, but it wasn't me

He'll be remembered for how he squandered the good will and unity of the American people. After 9/11, he had the full support of the American people, as well as much of the western world

KATIEBERRY

He also had the good will of the Arab world. Without exception they offered to help stamp out radical Islamics. Bush gave them the finger.

Pics of spontaneous candlelight vigils in Tehran the night of 9/11:

#135 KATIEBARRY:
Lets keep it simple. The liberal news media got the jump on Bush with theirs lies. The liberal news media is more concerned about protecting liberal ASSHOLES than telling the truth. Unfortunately for the liberal press they are paying the price financially.

I have a serious problem

yes you do. agreed.

Secondly, when I see one group that started BEFORE day one intending to destroy a president that later demands almost "reverence" for their president

yep so as americans we shouldn't have questioned shady results in the election.

and the right started this whole messiah, reverence issue. nobody perpetuates more than than yuo folks.

type somemore of what makes you angry. this is interesting.

Danforth,

Thanks for the history lesson, I was aware of each of those instances. I don't care that it offends. What offends is not a yardstick that I readily use.

"Show me where whites were depicted negatively for decades as monkeys and you'll have a point. Otherwise, you're merely ignorant and seemingly proud of it."

So I can call white people the N word? It is obvious you can call one a monkey - or actually a chimp.

"The US spends about twice its GDP, and still leaves about 50 million uninsured.

"We spend over $27 trillion on medicine in this country per year?"

"Its" was comparing the UK to the US. It seemed obvious to me."

I am sorry, English is my first language. The pronoun normally modifies the noun before it. In this case "its" would refer to the United States. That said, you contend that the US (specifically the government) spends $5.4 trillion (GDP for Britain - $2.77 trillion) per year on medical care? Are you indicating that the "special hospitals" are going to go away? What about change?

AMERICANUNITY: Is that a photo of Tehran or a recent photo of a GAY demonstration?

dan probably doesn't care that his errors offend you. maybe you can talk to rcade about making sure everyone has proper grammer.

OZZIEWORLD

Tehran. Wow, you're funny (snark)

Angry, pissed off 'conservatives' are good for a chuckle!

Enjoy the next 8+ years. Your NeoCon buddies earned our contempt. Keep helping their cause, would ya?

OH, and if you were talking about newspapers (MSNBC is on the rise), The Washington Times, owned by the lunatic Rev. Sun Myung Moon - convicted tax evader and messianic nut - is experiencing the same loss of circulation every other newspaper is.

Heard of the internet? It's cutting into circulation numbers.

"yep so as americans we shouldn't have questioned shady results in the election."

"questioned" is what you call it...for four years. Does "selected not elected" still reverberate in your ears. The president was elected as required by law. However, undaunted by the truth, the dems spread the same fiction the following election after Ohio by whispering the word "diebolt".

I suppose you are right about the messiah label. I could call him the Magic negro, since the LA Times pinned that label to him.

magic negro? that's just funny!

whispering? is that what you call it? when the chairman of diebold guarantee's a win for bush it makes a guy wonder. have you seen how easy these machines are to hack and manipulate votes?

here's one for you...what if acorn guaranteed a win for obama this year?

"have you seen how easy these machines are to hack and manipulate votes?"

Can you prove that such an event happened even one time?

"what if acorn guaranteed a win for obama this year?"

You mean that ACORN was registering fish to vote for McCain as often as Obama? Sorry, when I saw the ACORN crowd, it was obvious not only what they were doing, but what their goal was. They didn't have to say it.

"Sorry, when I saw the ACORN crowd, it was obvious not only what they were doing, but what their goal was. They didn't have to say it."

Mighty perceptive of you to be able to know their goals and all without talking to them. But they, they were probably black so you knew.

"I could call him the Magic negro, since the LA Times pinned that label to him."

Or you could call him PResident Obama but then that would be showing respect to a black man and you wouldn't want to do that, would you?

"Thanks for the history lesson, I was aware of each of those instances. I don't care that it offends."

As I said, you're part of the problem.

"So I can call white people the N word? It is obvious you can call one a monkey - or actually a chimp."

Keep pretending you're insensitive to the facts. Oh wait...you're not pretending.

"I am sorry, English is my first language. The pronoun normally modifies the noun before it. In this case "its" would refer to the United States."

So you can't comprehend the bigger picture? Okay...understood.

"That said, you contend that the US..."

Gee...admitting it's crap and continuing with it. Niiiiiiice.

"Are you indicating that the "special hospitals" are going to go away?"

No.

"What about change?

The "change" would be that ALL are covered, even if just for the basics.

"As to the question of tax cuts..."sock it to the rich" was the sentiment..."

Oh...so you WERE pulling it out of your ass.

"So I can call white people the N word?"

Stop pretending it's about black and white.

For you, it's about (D) and (R). You know...like how you used to call them Bill and Hillary Cliton?

Right...Clitizen?

Danni,

Why make it all about race? I don't. I saw them when they were interviewed. Their agenda was plain.

"Or you could call him PResident Obama but then that would be showing respect"

Really, right after you make it a habit to address the current president as President of the United States, George W. Bush...you know, to show him respect...

Respect is earned. Regardless of skin color. He gave a speech. Wow. I have done that. If I think about it, my resume is at least as thick as his is... when I think of a reason, I'll let you know.

So I can call white people the N word? It is obvious you can call one a monkey - or actually a chimp.

I don't really care what they call President Obama. I saw GWB get called everything possible. I never did it nor do I refer to Clinton that way nor will I do it to Obama.

Anybody who is "offended" and ripped GWB (and his entire administration) to pieces is a frigging hypocrite.

Danforth,

You spend a great deal of time thinking about my insensitivity. Your right. I am.

I am sorry, I was looking at your last two posts and I don't see you address the medical costs issue. Did that mysteriously go away, once I figured out what the hell you were talking about it appears that you are still wrong.

"Stop pretending it's about black and white."

At least you are smart enough to see that.

"For you, it's about (D) and (R). You know...like how you used to call them Bill and Hillary Cliton?"

First, I am a (D). Second, I don't recall ever referring to the Hildebeast as "Cliton". Bill, absolutely.

It is about right and wrong - not party. I believe in property rights, low taxes, gun rights, limited government in social policy, and strong military. This puts me at odds with Dumbo. For the same reason I opposed Cliton.

alrite zit, now you're being difficult. i didn't say it happened. I asked if you've seen how easy it is to manipulate these machines.
it's a proven fact that a individual can access these machines with a minute and install malicious software.
that cause concern not which way a person votes?

"First, I am a (D). "

right.

you claim to be a D, yet bash clinton with your 6th grade cliton. so i'm gonna guess you didn't vote for him either time. so that takes us back to carter, probably no vote there either.

who are you voting D for, aldermen?

CJK,

I am not being difficult. The basis for the Diebolt theory is fantasy. Let me return the argument back to you. Based on news reports and numerous investigations, it appears that it is excessively easy to register to vote...many times in some cases. Yet the dems consider voter id's to be oppressive (somehow when voters have to prove who they are, Republicans are more likely to win). There is a lot more evidence that this election was stolen for Dumbo by ACORN, yet I don't hear the chant "McCain was cheated not defeated." I doubt I will hear a prominent Republican make a statement about living in fictitious times with a fictitious president. Wonder why that is? Why do you have such faith in a system that is so easily corruptible - especially when there is ACTUAL EVIDENCE that some attempt was made to do exactly that?

CJK,

Southern D. I vote Dem locally (sometimes that is the only way you get to vote, since there are so few R in my county). Nationally, the dems and I are worlds apart.

The basis for the Diebolt theory is fantasy

Blackwell promising to deliver Ohio to Bush was a fantasy?

Blackwell throwing fundraisers for Bush was fantasy?

Diebold being easily hackable is a fantasy?

Ohio going to Bush against the exit polling data is a fantasy?

"No Paper Trail" and "No effective chain of custody" is a fantasy?

Be Well.

Anyone can register 1000 times as Elvis, Mickey Mouse, Hitler, you name it.

Try voting more than once. There's the rub.

There is a lot more evidence that this election was stolen for Dumbo by ACORN

Wot evidence?

You do realise the difference between voter registration irregularities and voter fraud itself don't you?

Wot are yer opinions of push polling, caging and e-mail whispering campaigns in terms of unduly afffecting the vote?

Be Well.

Southern D. I vote Dem locally

yeah so your aldermen are dems.

please show me where this election was stolen for obama.

honestly, this is the first time i've read or heard this accusation.

To both Dethspud and AmericanUnity:

There is still no evidence of diebolt tinkering with the elections.

I fully understand the difference between voter registration and voting. We don't know if a person voted multiple times or not. We don't have voter ID, so go in and say your Jack, go to another poll and say your Bill, etc. How do you prove that didn't happen.

Now the most important question, Why were these folks AS AN ORGANIZATION registering people multiple times or registering fictitious people...As far as I know, if you put on a condom, it is a pretty good indicator that you are about to fuck.

"There is still no evidence of diebolt tinkering with the elections."

Yes. They're very good at their "work."

Hans

Evidence that the election was stolen? Never said there is any. I was responding to this question: "what if acorn guaranteed a win for obama this year?"

I merely pointed out that ACORN did a lot more than lip service. They began the process of fraud. (What if you learned that diebolt was training republican operatives to hack into their machines?)

I have faith in the system and merely believe that the greatest problem is in the control of who votes. (We need voter ID and a qualification that is something more than you lived to be 18.)

"Yet the dems consider voter id's to be oppressive..."

Fighting a problem which does not exist:

have the repubs ever done what the acorn folks are accused of? it's funny how you gloss that over.

you never answered my question about the republican operative convicted of jamming democratic office phones lines.

"We need voter ID..."

Fighting a problem which does not exist:

Hans,

Funny you would claim the voter impersonation problem doesn't exist. You can only prove that because no one has been caught? (Or do dead people really vote from time to time?) I suppose it is funnier since mere moments ago, you dispensed with the need of evidence to show Diebolt interfered with an election by saying:

"Yes. They're very good at their "work." - Hans

"You can only prove that because no one has been caught?"

Earlier this month, radio journalist Warren Olney pressed Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita about the prosecution of voter impersonation cases in Indiana. "Oh, yeah. We suspect it happens all the time," Mr. Rokita said. "Suspect?" Mr. Olney countered.

"Well, are you saying you want to define whether or not there's fraud based on whether or not its prosecuted?" Mr. Rokita answered, adding, "It's a hard type of crime to catch. ... It's hard to catch one in the act."

OK, then. Got that? It's a little like the search for life on other planets. Extraterrestrials are out there, even if none has actually been spotted.

Now, to fully carry this "scheme" out, these groups of voters would have to number in the tens of thousands, if not hundred of thousands, in order to effect national elections.

I'm sure we all know tens or hundreds of thousands of people willing to do this and keep it quiet.

Hans,

I actually read the article that you are linking to. What a nice piece of objective fact reporting that was. Did the author actually imply that forcing people to show some form of photo ID to vote would disenfranchise black people? Are they not as photogenic or something? Will the camera take their soul?

That argument is pure BS. That is nothing more than a ploy to appeal to a specific community to remind them "who is looking out for them".

"...you dispensed with the need of evidence to show Diebolt interfered with an election by saying"

I realize that nuance is something that Republicans are in capable of understanding. Kind of like having to explain a joke to someone too stupid to understand it in the first place.

"There is still no evidence of diebolt tinkering with the elections."

Ept criminals are able to hide evidence of their "tinkering." In other words, they're very good at their "work."

Hans

"Did the author actually imply that forcing people to show some form of photo ID to vote would disenfranchise black people?"

"That is nothing more than a ploy to appeal to a specific community to remind them "who is looking out for them"."...

...and who is looking to disenfranchise them.

Hans

OK Hans, Let me see if I understand your logic. If we are talking about an election being stolen by the Republicans, no evidence is required because they are "ept criminals" and therefore don't leave evidence behind. However, if we are talking about dems (like ACORN) they are inept and therefore if you can't prove that people have registered multiple times in multiple places are vote at different times, etc. it must NEVER happen.

I think I used a word earlier....scotoma.

Have a good evening.

"Let me see if I understand your logic."

Let me see if I understand your logic. We must have voter ID laws to prevent tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of voters from legally voting in their own precinct, then go to another precinct where they know the name of a voter registered there, who hasn't yet voted, and illegally vote in that other person's name.

Oh, and these armies of people keep quiet about it.

"they are inept and therefore if you can't prove that people have registered multiple times..."

Ah, there's that word, "registered". You do know that there's a difference between registering to vote (and proving that you're eligible to vote) and actually voting, right?

"...are vote at different times"

I take it you mean "and vote at different times".

Where's that army of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people, willing to violate the law, twice - fraudulent registration and fraudulent voting (which still isn't voter impersonation), necessary to effect national elections?

Where are they? Stagger us with your logic.

Hans