Another in a long, long list of reasons to avoid shopping at walmart.

Give Walmart a little credit, his family will be recieving a big fifty dollar insurance payout.

This is tragic. I feel badly for this mans family.

I'm not sure I believe the miscarriage story though. She was treated in the store?? How do they know the baby died? By trying to hear a heart beat? Did they drag in a portable ultra sound unit?? Didn't sound like it by the article. I had to have ultra sounds at times to find my youngest childs heartbeat because it wasn't detectable with a stethescope.

In any event, peole need to care about the safety of themselves and the people around them, moreso than getting a good deal.

Sad.

There's no excuse for this. The people who did this are horribly selfish, inconsiderate, dangerously stupid individuals.

Its hard to say that all 200 "shoppers" saw this guy in the doorway before the charge started but at least some of these people should be charged with manslaughter and the rest should be charged with with the kind of crimes rioters are charged with....

Everyone in the store should have been detained until the security videos were reviewed.

Typical - people start to blame the store.

Somebody is in front of you and you trample over them. Somebody is guilty became somebody did the trampling.

It isn't the responsibility of the store to maintain crowd control. It is the crowd's responsibility to behave.

I went shopping early this morning and we all behaved like nice little lemmings.

We lemmings are still breathing and alive - but a little poorer, but not in common sense.

If there is video footage, then let the lawsuits begin against the feet of the killers - not the store.

If there is video footage, then let the lawsuits begin against the feet of the killers - not the store.

#5 | Posted by Petrous

While the retards who show up at 5 AM to break the doors and trample this worker, should carry the brunt of the blame, isn't the business at least in part still responsible for the safety of its employees and customers?

If Wal-Mart and others can't control the crowds they shouldn't have the sales. It seems at times that humans are losing the capacity to act civilized. Events such as this are undermining any sense of self control that people have left.

A company isn't responsible for the irresponsible behavior of shoppers.

Perhaps they should have armed the employee with a machine gun and stationed in a stone fort. This way the unruly could have been dealt with during their mayhem.

No, the company isn't responsible for 'this type of safety' issue. How could the company protect the employee from the murderous rogues.

The shoppers' and the store are both responsible.

Shoppers, because anyone waiting in line to shop is shallow and superficial.

The store(walkoveremmart) for setting the stage and not having sufficient crowd control for their ignorant, bottom of the gene pool customers.

The shoppers were just doing their patriotic duty and got a little carried away. After all, the Consumer-in-Chief expressly told us to go shopping.

A recent report on retail sales shows a strong beginning to the holiday shopping season across the country -- and I encourage you all to go shopping more.

The store I was in this morning didn't have a stampede. The store employee greeted us and we walked in like human beings do.

The store didn't do anything different today as they've done in the past.

The people acted differently than they normally do. The people (customers) are the guilty idiots.

"""Typical - people start to blame the store. """

Well, he didn't die in his living room now did he?

Makes me shake my head how quickly people steer away from corporate responsibility in your country. A few days ago some people were arguing on the wizzynator (sp.) thread that because a company hires you, you have to forfeit some privacy, that the company sets the conditions and that they can decide how far they can go in terms of encroaching on your personal privacy and freedom in order to protect them from potential liability. After all, the argument went, you're free to not take the job.

Now, an employee dies while at work and the kneejerk reaction is to blame everyone but the company? Fuck that! This is no different than a construction worker dying because safety procedures were not followed by the employer. Walmart should be sued up the ass for negligence, for not providing a safe working environment for this person. They set up the conditions for this type of mob mentality: crazy deals, let folks line up, open the door and let them rush in like a fucking herd of buffalo heading towards the cliff. You want to do that? Fine, but you need to keep your employees safe.

This should bring a few cool $$$ to the victim's family.

"A few days ago some people were arguing on the wizzynator (sp.) thread that because a company hires you, you have to forfeit some privacy, that the company sets the conditions and that they can decide how far they can go in terms of encroaching on your personal privacy and freedom in order to protect them from potential liability. After all, the argument went, you're free to not take the job. "

Technically speaking, those people are called "sheep".

"Typical - people start to blame the store.

"No one could have predicted that massive advertising of limited sale items or the historical facts of previous large crowds would mean there would be a restive mass of shoppers this morning."

Condi Ricemart

If a shopper did suffer a miscarriage in a crowd, I'd go with darwinism in action. Or, as Takeit would pronounce-the bitch pissed God off in some way.

The Depression is just starting. More to come.

If there is video footage, then let the lawsuits begin against the feet of the killers - not the store.

#5 | Posted by Petrous

Don't you know that the lawyers always go after the people with the money? How much do you think that kind of person would have?

Lawsuits arn't the answer to anything. If there is a price to be extracted for this death, file criminal charges.

As far as the woman goes. A 9 month pregnate woman has no business in a mob like that.

Merry fu**ing Christmas Animals.

Typical consumer america - No Shame, No Blame, No Care.

Just I Want! I Want! I Want!

How many of these animals are going to default on their credit cards AFTER Christmas just so they could get the new XBox.

BOYCOTT WAL-MART!!!

Humans are trash.

Without a doubt the store is partially to blame. They created a dangerous mob situation by holding the sale and then failed to recognize that things had gotten out of hand. It's no different than when soccer fans were crushed to death in England after a stadium was oversold and separated by fences.

Any company that attracts a mob has to be responsible for managing the safety of the crowd. It's not like Walmart doesn't know these Black Friday sales attract a crazy amount of customers, all rushing the door at the opening.

From the article:

A 28-year-old pregnant woman was knocked to the floor during the mad rush. She was hospitalized for observation, police said. Early witness accounts that the woman suffered a miscarriage were unfounded, police said.

This stuff will happen as long as the brainwashed masses continue to obsess over consumer objects. Mindless consumerism promoted by the corporate culture is the real villain. Who in their right mind would should up at any store at 5 am for any sale?

Xmas has long since become nothing but an orgy of consumerism.

Xmas has long since become nothing but an orgy of consumerism.

#20 | Posted by nullifidian at 2008-11-28 01:29 PM | Reply |

On the up side, with the economy in the state that it is, you can probably hire an ex-wall street exec to stand in line at wal mart for you and wait for your xbox or flatscreen from the safety of your couch.

People need to trample someone at 5 AM to get to cheap Chinese junk they don't need and will break in 6 months anyway.

America's religion is Greed,not Christianity.

Is there anything good about Long Island? I've never heard anything.

Sorry son but nothing wrong with spending you disposable income on electronics. Greed is only a figment isn the idiot's minds who bought houses they can't afford

"BOYCOTT WAL-MART!!!

#16 | Posted by Prolix247 "

Boycott Christmas! If a family dinner free of consumer junk is good enough for Thanksgiving, why not Christmas?

WAlMART is America

"Sorry son but nothing wrong with spending you disposable income on electronics. Greed is only a figment isn the idiot's minds who bought houses they can't afford"

Jesus H. Christ...what an illiterate moron.

Panchovilla, you gots yerself one serious woody concerning corps. Take a break, find yerself a nice cave somewhere in the northern Yuke and chill fer a few, dude.

"People need to trample someone at 5 AM to get to cheap Chinese junk they don't need and will break in 6 months anyway."

You mean everyone doesn't need a battery powered spice rack?

Technically speaking, those people are called "sheep".

#12 | Posted by nullifidian

Baa-Baa, baby!

Everybody has to much certain compromises in life. It is the way it is. So go smoke yer little toke, be all smug, and quit yer raggin' on the rest of us.

Who in their right mind would should up at any store at 5 am for any sale?

----

I showed up at 6:45am yesterday at Kmart. Spent $67 and saved $58. While I don't advocate acting like a madman at these sales, they do make your dollar go further.

"Humans are trash."

#17 | Posted by vorpal

Piss off, alien slimesucker!

"Everybody has to much certain compromises in life. It is the way it is. So go smoke yer little toke, be all smug, and quit yer raggin' on the rest of us.

#30 | Posted by ZOT"

Aw shad up, loser. Did you enjoy your Nov.4th crow, er, Thanksgiving?

Rag away, null. Rag away. Special on Tampons at WalMart. Stuff one down yer throat and soak up the overabundance of bile you are hoarding.

And yes, I had a very nice meal with my mom and bro', thank you for asking.

I find this sort of behavior from these shoppers so.......it's hard to even find the words. Childish, stupid, ridiculous, sickening, etc. What kind of sick individual, or individuals, acts like this? I can't even comprehend the behavior of someone who acts like this. People who are so hell bent on getting the best bargain, which typically saves them a few fricking dollars, they would literally knock people down and trample on them. It's just sick.

Everyone involved should bear responsibility. The store for not controlling these insane fucks and the video should be studied and anyone found to have run over people to be the 'first one there' should hold some liability.

That's why I stay home on Black Friday! I hate waiting in long lines in the first place. I damn sure ain't going to wake up at 4am to go shopping (A act I literally despise). Can you tell I'm not a morning person or a shopper? LOL. My strategy is to figure out what I want to get for someone and simply go get it when there are no special sales going on.

I agree that the lawyers are going after the store rather than the murdering criminals in the crowd because the store has more money. What else could we expect from a corrupt justice system? I mean if you have a dog in your backyard and a criminal opens the gate and gets bit, you can be sued.

Lonnie

"And yes, I had a very nice meal with my mom and bro', thank you for asking."

I said "eat crow" not dine with one.

I would be more inclined to understand the point of view of not placing a share of the blame on stores if this was an unheard of event. However it seems this type of story is an annual occurrence on Black Friday somewhere.

I'm pretty sure most people who are saying stores are not responsible for people getting injured when they open the doors for big sales would agree that there is nothing wrong with holding them accountable for the safety of their customers/employees when it comes to other known risks such as broken glass, wet spills, fire, etc.

In fact I'll go as far to say that stores encourage this behavior by labeling certain items as "extremely limited supply" and calling them "Must Have Items". They use aggressive terms such as "Door Busters" and "Crazy Sales". This seems to feed right into stirring up the mob mentality and highly competitve feelings that are at the root of the irrational behavior of these shoppers.

If I were a lawyer in a case against a retail outlet and wanted to dispel any doubt that retail outlets do not expect such events to occur I'd point to a commercial that was ran a few years by a retailer, I'm thinking it was Best Buy, that had some fun with the idea of people being injured when they open the doors. The workers stood around trying to determine who would open the doors. They all had casts and bandages on from opening the doors at previous sales. Then the new guy walked up and with fear in his eyes was sent to welcome the early morning shoppers.

The store near my old house was run by an guy who couldn't stand the stampedes into his store. So, he setup a single file doorway with a turnstile.

Do you know the idiot customers still stampeded through the single door opening and turnstile.
They sued, and successfully won, against him forcing him to close the business.

They were injured climbing the thing that was supposed to control the flow of traffic.

Please explain what Walmart could do, as suggestions to their safety people, to avoid another mishap like this and actually avoid someone being stupid enough to injure someone else in process.

I just don't buy it. Walmart could have barbed wire and land mines set up, and someone would still be stupid enough to kill someone trying to get in.

Armed guards at the door forcing a single file line of orderly customers. A few taser shots to make examples of unruly customers would do the trick.

Don't tase me, Elmo!

"Please explain what Walmart could do, as suggestions to their safety people, to avoid another mishap like this and actually avoid someone being stupid enough to injure someone else in process."

They could hire some extra security. The sight of a few off-duty police officers in uniform standing at the doors will generally remind people to maintain order.

For limited availability items they can give out tickets to people standing in line outside the store that they turn in to pick up their item in the store.

The could also begin these sales later in the day. Instead of starting the sale the minute the doors open how about waiting an hour before putting the stock out on the floor.

They could also issue a statement that anyone observed running or pushing into the store will not be sold anything at that time and will be asked to leave the store. If an incident where a large number of shoppers are involved then the registers will be shutdown, no sales will be completed.

A smart person isn't anywhere near a store on thanksgiving friday.

Shop on superbowl sunday while all the beer drinking fucktards are busy...

Panchovilla, you gots yerself one serious woody concerning corps. Take a break, find yerself a nice cave somewhere in the northern Yuke and chill fer a few, dude.

#30 | Posted by ZOT at 2008-11-28 01:42 PM | Reply |

Actually I've got more of a rage against folks who give them carte blanche. Corporations, especially in the u.s., seem to bear (sp?) little or no social responsibility. It seems like they have more rights than the average citizen yet less responsibility in terms of how they interact with their environment. Almost parasitical in terms of relationship. At times, it looks like your country's slogan "land of the free", is only applicable to corporations or the elite. The average individual has no voice, little representation and no power to change things. both major parties seemingly not giving a shit about the common man once the campaign cameras are turned off.

You're government is spying on you, disrespecting the basic fundamental tenets that made the u.s. such a great country, lying to you, not protecting your interests, arresting you for protesting, fomenting fear and promoting a divisive agenda that reeks havoc on your national unity, yet you guys cannot or will not do anything about it either through lack of power or love of kool-aid.

I pay what might seem like obscene amounts of taxes here in quebec, but I know that my gov't is, in most cases, working for me, not working me over.

Apologies for the long detour, but the state of mind of people who give these companies a free pass is part of the what ails your country and is in part the result of the last 40 years of ideological "pitch" on the part of your gov't, on the part of big business.

What has big business done for you lately? And do say "a job", cause you wouldn't be there if you were not profitable to them. Just look at your manufacturing sector.

"Please explain what Walmart could do, as suggestions to their safety people, to avoid another mishap like this and actually avoid someone being stupid enough to injure someone else in process."

They could hire some extra security. The sight of a few off-duty police officers in uniform standing at the doors will generally remind people to maintain order.

For limited availability items they can give out tickets to people standing in line outside the store that they turn in to pick up their item in the store.

The could also begin these sales later in the day. Instead of starting the sale the minute the doors open how about waiting an hour before putting the stock out on the floor.

They could also issue a statement that anyone observed running or pushing into the store will not be sold anything at that time and will be asked to leave the store. If an incident where a large number of shoppers are involved then the registers will be shutdown, no sales will be completed.

#44 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce at 2008-11-28 02:28 PM | Reply |

How about making sure no employees are the way;

How about a long, organized line outside the store;

Or opening the door as soon as customers are there to avoid a pile up;

The list of safety measures are endless.

I know that the idea in these sales is to create huge excitement, to create an "event that you just can't miss". They should be able to handle the success of their marketing or change strategies.

You got that right Shawn. I've found Super Bowl Sunday is a great day to go shopping, go to parks, or just about any place else that normally draws crowds.

The crowds are greatly reduced plus I've found it's a great time to meet women. They are often thrilled to meet a man who's not obsessed with getting somewhere to watch the game.

"They are often thrilled to meet a man who's not obsessed with getting somewhere to watch the game."

That's the kind of woman who is always whining "I don't know why every guy I'm into turns out to be gay...."

I wonder if this store was having one of those "$300 laptop for the first 15 customers...." type of sales......

That's pretty much asking for trouble.

Please explain what Walmart could do, as suggestions to their safety people, to avoid another mishap like this and actually avoid someone being stupid enough to injure someone else in process.

One simple suggestion: Give people tickets for a designated time window when they can come back and shop on Black Friday morning. Don't let everybody come in at store open and rush the aisles. That's a recipe for disaster.

And do say "a job",

don't, sorry.

Happy holidays.

From the video that I've seen it was literally a "Black" Friday stampede.

Here's video, looks like all types of people. The employee who opens the door quickly gets out of the way. The first guy through after him takes off running like an idiot and then the rush is on. There are a lot of people falling and then getting ran over.

Please explain what Walmart could do, as suggestions to their safety people, to avoid another mishap like this and actually avoid someone being stupid enough to injure someone else in process.

I just don't buy it. Walmart could have barbed wire and land mines set up, and someone would still be stupid enough to kill someone trying to get in.

#41 | Posted by Petrous

They could stop holding lost-leader sales with a VERY limited supply of those items, which would eliminate the need for people to crowd the door at 5 AM. It would be quite easy to avoid this situation. Stores like Wal-Mart are creating these mobs by their own actions.

They could hold sales on over stocked items instead, as they should be doing anyway. They could give rain checks on out-of-stock sale items. These stores ARE intentionally creating these situations by deliberately losing money on a limited number of select items in hopes of creating a feeding frenzy where the crowds will end up purchasing stuff that isn't on sale.

The best thing that could happen to stop this is if nothing was sold, EXCEPT the stuff the stores are losing money on. If that were to occur, the 5 AM Black Friday sales would come to an abrupt halt. The stores are counting on the fact that the gullible masses could never get that organized.

being trampled by a bunch of turkey fed overweight oprah-ites.

oh the horror!

Shop on superbowl sunday while all the beer drinking fucktards are busy...

#45 | Posted by Shawn at 2008-11-28 02:51 PM |

and queefs like yourself are sipping starbucks and shopping for all of the best values!

The video at Johnny Hotsauce's link ...

i hate to seem like a cold hearted prick, but look at the woman on the floor at 21 seconds.

she ain't about to get up til the wig is back on!

man, that big dude protecting the wig lady that's on the floor is totally pushing women and children down as they try to get around. reminds me of george costanza during the fire at the kid's birthday party, except not funny. just really disgusting

Ok. I was going to give these people the benefit of the doubt. I've been to concerts where the people in the BACK are the ones pushing, and forcing the people in the front to crush others...

But then i saw the video. This was a punch of fucktards RUNNING inside a walmart at 5am to get cheap junk even cheaper. Sick.

Reminds me of the highway chaos a few years back when a beanie baby truck tipped over.

When did Americans allow ourselves to become such consumer whores?

but can we prove that they voted for McCain, too?

While the retards who show up at 5 AM to break the doors and trample this worker, should carry the brunt of the blame, isn't the business at least in part still responsible for the safety of its employees and customers?

How is this possibly the stores fault? The fact is, the store had every right to expect the customers to act civilly or at least with a modicum of restraint. They didn't.

The store is no more responsible than if a mad man came in with an automatic weapon and opened fire. They just can't control the actions of someone acting aggressively with no regard for other peoples live or safety. In this case, it wasn't just one "mad man"... it was a crowd of them (man in the wider scope, not the gender scope). Their weapons were not an automatic rifle, but instead their own selfish attitudes and their bodies. The result, tragically, is the same... and no more the fault of the store than if a gun man had opened fire.

The store(walkoveremmart) for setting the stage and not having sufficient crowd control for their ignorant, bottom of the gene pool customers.

Kind of a broad sweep isn't it?

The only stampede that will out do this one is the herd of life sucking lawyers charging to help everyone who could possibly have tripped, been traumatized, had their feelings hurt, etc. sue the ass off Walmart. You keep talking about greed don't forget the parasites. What is your loved ones' life worth? Merry F***ing Christmas indeed!

A mob mentality can strike at any time, but it doesn't surprise me that it involved a bunch of friggin' New Yorkers.
My thoughts and prayers are with the victim and his family.

By the way, this was an on-the job injury/fatality. WalMart is responsible for that reason. Hopefully they can review the videotape and go after the customers that were out of control, too.

Isn't this the second time this has happen at a walmart in new york.

Sounds like a caring city, stampede...moo moo moo moo there is a sale on.

dumb fucks.

Moon, as I said in #40, the store holds some responsibility because, unlike a random mad man, this was predictable. These "accidents" have been a far too common occurrence on Black Friday. The major retailers are well aware that this can happen and feed the mob mentality with their marketing terminology.

Here's video of another walmart where customers mob stack of Xbox's.

I don't know if anyone was injured.

...read this morning that after store management made an announcement that the store was closing and the reason WHY it was closing, the customers reacted angrily, and continued shopping.

the baby jebus must be So proud!

Walmart should invest in cattle prods. The lawyers are going to have a field day anyway.

but can we prove that they voted for McCain, too?

#63 | Posted by Bani

Drudge has photos from inside the store, and McCain voters appear to be pretty thin on the ground. Unless, of course, these folks represent the 1% of blacks who didn't vote for Obama.

I am gonna get yelled at for this, but honestly folks, did we not see this one coming?

I work for a company that gives Thanksgiving and Black Friday to its employees as holidays. I do the only logical thing to do on Black Friday...

... "sleep in".

/ Okay, sure, this year, I was up at 4am, but I went precisely nowhere near any retail establishment until 10am.
// and then only to replace my microwave.
/// yeah, when the damn thing catches fire, it's time to replace it.

Shop on superbowl sunday while all the beer drinking fucktards are busy...

#45 | Posted by Shawn at 2008-11-28 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Another little fact about Superbowl Sunday:

The highest number of reported domestic abuse calls to 911 of any day of the year.

I'm guessing most of those are coming from the households whose team is losing.

So ironic that these people are fighting and running to get a machine that allows them to sit on the couch all day turning into fat stupid slobs.
This is the lamest of human behavior and the fact that anyone could step on someone else on their way to the sale just makes me want to puke.

This whole thing is absurd. Wal-Mart should issue numbered tickets to those waiting in line, and conduct an orderly process. Fucking people have gone insane over flat screen tv's.

Could people have ordered merchandise on-line at the same prices???

DAN

Not only can you order the same items online, but you can also choose an individual store to go pick it up at.

I did 100% of my Christmas shopping online last year. Most items showed up within 3-5 days at my door. How easy is that? The only "oops" moment was when an LCD monitor I bought for my wife came in it's manufacturer's box. Luckily I got the door when it came.

I did buy one large item that had to be assembled, but I had that delivered to a friend's house, assembled it, and then moved it in like Santa in the wee hours of Christmas morning.

Fighting crowds Christmas shopping to me is antithetical to the 'Spirit of Christmas'. People fighting over items, pushing, shoving ... na.

Not only can you order the same items online, but you can also choose an individual store to go pick it up at.

#78 | Posted by AMERICANUNITY

The limited items that they use to attract these 5 AM crowds are NOT available online at the special prices. The only way to obtain one of these special-price/limited quantity items is to race for them as the doors open, hence the problem.

The limited items that they use to attract these 5 AM crowds are NOT available online at the special prices. The only way to obtain one of these special-price/limited quantity items is to race for them as the doors open, hence the problem.

Yes, we see a persons life is worth that 5 dollar savings.

Yes, we see a persons life is worth that 5 dollar savings.

#80 | Posted by moneywar

To Wal-Mart and the idiots willing to line up and play Wal-Mart's sick game, apparently that's all a life if worth.

is

I did 100% of my Christmas shopping online last year. Most items showed up within 3-5 days at my door.

I haven't been in a store at christmas time since 1998. I haven't been in a mall at in AAMOF since then.

If there is one single thing that I am thankful for the internet for, it has kept me out of the christmas rush.

Thanks, Al.